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Apple Stops Hiding Samsung Apology On Its UK Site
An anonymous reader writes "Apple has quietly decided that it probably shouldn't be using JavaScript code on its UK site to hide its second Samsung apology. While you still have to scroll down in almost cases, the company is no longer forcing it; check it out yourself at Apple UK."
It didn't change for me. I still need to scroll down to see it no matter the browser window size.
Everybody knows they're not sorry. All court-ordered apologies do is remind us that people in authority aren't satisfied unless you agree with them. Then they can go home satisfied, knowing that their world view is intact. All they really did was use coercion to force somebody to lie. Apple is not sorry. Everybody knows it.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
n/t
Set your phasers on "funky"!
No problem on my 1050x1680, but I can definitely see that it would be below the screen if I didn't have my monitor vertical.
Do you honestly believe that corporations have feelings?
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
I'm viewing it with Javascript disabled and it's underneath some images of the iPad mini.
No sig today...
It's sad that if the judge doesn't spell out every little detail of how the apology should appear, the company will take advantage and try to 'hide' it.
The judge needs to assign further penalties on Apple. And every time they do something like this, slap on another, larger penalty. Like the old punishment for kids that always interrupt or talk back.
"You're grounded for the weekend. And don't argue."
"That's not fair!"
"Two weekends. Don't say another word."
"But-!"
"Three. Wanna go for four?"
"You're going to post an apology."
"Fine." *hides it in the paper*
"Not good enough.$100,000, and do it again."
"Fine." *hides it on the website*
"Not good enough. $500,000. Wanna try for a million?"
Well the judge didn't specify that you should be able to view it without an Apple Cinema Display ;) They're just trying to push monitors so Samsung employees can look at their apology.
Even though they removed the Javascript, It is still effectively hidden on most monitors.
Just like Slashdot has hidden your comment, because I have to scroll down to see it?
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
"Apple is not sorry" shouldn't imply a belief in corporate personhood either. What's the appropriate grammar for expressing an attitude likely to be held by the members of a group, without implying corporate personhood? "Apple are not sorry"? Meh. Makes them sound like the Borg. It's my understanding that in common usage phrases like "The AARP said", or "Congress ruled" are shorthand for collective action that doesn't imply a belief in corporate personhood. OK folks, what's your suggested phrasing that wouldn't imply a belief in corporate personhood when discussing these matters?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
At the bottom of the screen, had to scroll down, is a paragraph stating that they did not correctly follow the apology ruling, and a link to an "apology".
This apparently new "apology" is just a statement of what the ruling said, and in no way could be considered an apology. And let me reiterate, it is NOT on that or any Apple homepage, it has its own specific page (http://www.apple.com/uk/legal-judgement/).
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
More politics then? 2020. Your predictions??
They've been calling it an apology. Now that I've dug into it a bit, it sounds more like a retraction. This might also be yet another case of Americans and British being "divided by a common tongue". Maybe a retraction is called an apology over there.
Anyway, stick a fork in me. I'm done. AFK. Lunch.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Yes. Studies have repeatedly shown that the more times you have to scroll or click to see something, the less likely you are. Courts have struck down this sort of game for apologies, terms of use (where there is an actual contract involved) and other gaming. Here, the apology is two actions away, a scroll down, a read through smaller print than average on the page and then a click to a new page. As for slashdot, yes, they do hide comments. They put more highly modded towards the top, and minimize comments below a threshold (not to mention hiding those at an even lower threshold). In fact, the only reason I found this comment was that I did a search for "slashdot" just to see if anyone would make this comparison.
Besides, "hidden" does not mean "unfindable," it means that some effort was done to keep you from seeing it or that you need to put forward effort to find it. Either way, this comment AND the apology on the apple website are hidden.
Credits: "We apologize for the fault in the apology. Those responsible have been sacked."
Later: " We apologize again for the fault in the apology. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked."
Have gnu, will travel.
How about Apple PRODUCTS instead of Apple LITIGATION stories...
Funny, I see it just fine on my portrait-mode 1080p display...
"I apologize. I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my remarks may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat such a slander at any time in the future."
Man, I wish I could use my mod points to mod this entire story Redundant
Nobody's forcing you to read the summary, or go into the article to read comments/post...
Seriously. It's the biggest item on the page.
An effective apology should not be made browser-specific.
Even though they removed the Javascript, It is still effectively hidden on most monitors.
Just like Slashdot has hidden your comment, because I have to scroll down to see it?
I don't think he was ordered to post his comment by a judge.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
No, because Slashdot did not configure the graphics on the page to make it LOOK as if you are at the bottom of the page when you really are not. Furthermore, forcing the page to automatically resize the graphics to constantly reinforce the illusion that you are at the bottom of the page is also something that Slashdot and other websites with nothing to hide are NOT doing.
The scrollbar -- complete with visual feedback of how much of the page you are viewing -- works exactly the same way on Apple's page that it does on Slashdot.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Everyone keeps talking about whether or not they are hiding the apology. I have yet to see the apology. I have seen a statement that indicates they published an inaccurate statement, but I have not seen an apology...
Even though they removed the Javascript, It is still effectively hidden on most monitors.
Just like Slashdot has hidden your comment, because I have to scroll down to see it?
I don't think he was ordered to post his comment by a judge.
I don't really see how that is relevant to the question of whether having to scroll a webpage -- a perfectly standard activity for anyone who uses a web browser -- constitutes "hiding" information below the first page. It's either hiding the information or it's not, regardless of the reason why the information the information is there.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
How about tell that to Apple?
Ouch
I'll bite.
"We" like Google and Samsung because they don't do such kind of thing. "We" got mad at Apple only when they started to do that. You must go check your belived causality. If the roles reversed, I'm pretty sure nearly everybody here would be rooting for Apple, and you'd be complaining that if it were Apple that did that, we'd be laughing.
Also, you are conflating a BSD distributor against a Linux distributor, and claiming that we are partial because of Linux. That's just ridiculous.
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Even though they removed the Javascript, It is still effectively hidden on most monitors.
Just like Slashdot has hidden your comment, because I have to scroll down to see it?
I don't think he was ordered to post his comment by a judge.
I don't really see how that is relevant to the question of whether having to scroll a webpage -- a perfectly standard activity for anyone who uses a web browser -- constitutes "hiding" information below the first page. It's either hiding the information or it's not, regardless of the reason why the information the information is there.
You should get a job working in Apple's spin department.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
If you click that top left thing that says "recent", you too can help stories you don't like die before they are really born.. ;)
Apple wins again. Apple is even considering repairing the bite mark in their logo. Apple 1 : Legal 0
So are you saying that a stunning cunt simply can't pull off a cunning stunt?
The problem is that Apple release squadrons of apparently effete attack lawyers at least as often as they release products. They therefore bring this bad publicity on themselves, they invite it.
And to be honest, who cares about another product? Just go to a review site - or a web shop - if you want info on products. Products really are dime a dozen.
Also FatPhil on SoylentNews, id 863
Apart from hiding the alleged apology/withdrawal it's worse than I'd possibly imagined - they're dressing the retraction (or whatever you want to call it) as a *Samsung* comment!!!
"On 25 October 2012, Apple Inc. published a statement on its UK website in relation to Samsung's Galaxy tablet computers. That statement was inaccurate and did not comply with the order of the Court of Appeal of England and Wales. The correct statement is at Samsung/Apple UK judgement."
Note the last sentence - trying to address this as though Samsung 'misspoke'* - Methinks that Shakespeare had it correct in so many ways.
Their lawyers & designers need some corrective detention IMHO - the directors need a lot of the same + a big enough fine to seriously damage said people + a big enough fine to damage their profits for the past year. Stop trying to play games Apple.
*what a horrible & stupid Americanism
Having Leeched on
Exactly...I dont like apple for 2 reasons, business decisions, and walled garden mentality.
I could care less if they are at war with microsoft/google/samsung/htc/nabisco/bunny bread...
Their business practices are the same as microsoft's were, trying to gain 100% control of the market and shutting out ALL competition through lawsuits.. hell at least microsoft bought you out and just quietly shut you down...
-Noc
Not only can't you see the so called apology without scrolling, there is no evidence what so ever of an apology in the statement. It only says that they've lost the case, without much information about what they've actually lost. There is nothing what so ever to indicate that they were wrong or that they are sorry that they did something wrong.
The statement is about the facts, and is true.
The statement however is not about how they feel about it.
Just like Slashdot has hidden your comment, because I have to scroll down to see it?
The difference is that on Slashdot you expect to have to scroll down to see all the comments, so people will do it.
Apple's site, on the other hand, is laid out just as if the items above the fold were the complete site, so there's no clue (except the scrollbar itself) that there may be more on the site. And who, except geeks, pays attention to details such as seemingly useless scrollbars? We're talking about Apple's site here after all!