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Canada Prepares For Crackdown On BitTorrent Movie Pirates
New submitter dreamstateseven tips this Postmedia News report:
"A forensic software company has collected files on a million Canadians who it says have downloaded pirated content. The company, which works for the motion picture and recording industries, says a recent court decision forcing Internet providers to release subscriber names and details is only the first step in a bid to crack down on illegal downloads. 'The door is closing. People should think twice about downloading content they know isn't proper,' said Barry Logan, managing director of Canipre, the Montreal-based forensic software company."
$100 for 10 movies, or $10 for a VPN for 100 movies?
Just as in the US, in Canada there's no such thing as "illegal downloading." Guess it's lucky for the copyright cartels that the most popular way to download a movie is with bittorrent which, conveniently-enough, involves uploading (making available).
In general, though, I wish the media would stop parroting the general idea that it's illegal to download copyrighted materials. It's no more illegal than bringing home a bootleg CD bought on the streets of Karachi.
Title makes it sound like the Canadian Governament is going to take some serious actions against pirates.
So CRIA will start suing end users in the same way RIAA did in US, accomplishing probably the same results regarding piracy deterrence: none. Good idea...
People should think twice about downloading content they know isn't proper
If the content is improper for viewing when pirated, how can one imagine obtaining it from a legit source would make it proper?
(in other words: what incentive do I have to move my ass in a movie theater chair or buy it on disk?)
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
A million Canadians? Really?! And you say it's illegal? Oh kaaay...
I really would like to see organized resistance and civil disobedience to the Media cartels, and a campaign to paint them as the evil monsters they are.
I happen to think that RIAA, MPAA, CRIA, and BREIN are Scoundrels, of the same vein as the Westboro Baptist Church, and the Taliban, and other hate based organizations that use a religious or quasi-religious basis just like religion does to persuade people that they should be paid forever and ever and ever for a non-product, and for what really is an economically stilted scam meant to drain the poor, oppress other people, abuse children, ruin people's lives over a non-reason. Efforts should be taken by interest groups to dismantle these organizations.
Your litigation campain advocates a
( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante (x) legal
approach to fighting piracy. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
(x) Torrent sites will change to a new protocol
(x) They don't have the money to settle or pay damages
(x) Open wi-fi access points
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(x) Litigation is not actually a deterrent to teenagers
(x) Your evidence collection methods are open to attack in court
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from judges
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many ISPs cannot afford to lose business
( ) Pirates don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
(x) Bad press when you sue a grandmother for what a 10 year old does
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for the net
(x) Open proxies in foreign countries
(x) Tor and darknets
(x) Asshats
(x) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
(x) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of piracy
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business you
( ) Dishonesty on the part of pirates themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(x) Any scheme based on mass lawsuits and prosecution is unacceptable
( ) IP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending data should be free
(x) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
(x) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) I don't want the government reading my packets
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
I didn't think there were that many people in Canada. Isn't it mostly populated by sheep and bears?
Once again, we see these unlicensed "private investigators" working behind closed doors with no oversight. They make lists of "IP numbers" with zero proof that anyone ever did anything wrong. This fake detective work is completely wrong and illegal. They (the criminal shakedown scammers) should be arrested and made to pay back all the money they have stolen. And go to prison for a long time too.
The company name rhymes with canape, but I cannot help but read it as "Can I Prey!"
Anyways, Google Street View shows that their head office appears to be a mail box in a post office that is part of a corner store at 15410 Pierrefonds Blv, Montreal, QC so I guess I won't be ordering them a few thousand pizzas.
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
If the entertainment industry starts suing people then I'll start downloading stuff up to the full value of the media levy I've paid. If we all do that then suing people should drive away customers and money from the entertainment industry, the opposite of what they want.
what if they dont know its not proper?
tv movies are a good example, they broadcast to you for free, maybe someone thinks "hey here is Stephen Kings IT on the web, lets watch that", they are now unknowingly being a movie pirate
Indeed, the door is closing, on the entertainment industry employing these types. They've seen how ineffective these firms are, how they've pissed off their customers, how they've gotten nothing but bad PR, how piracy actually increased their bottom line (sans lawsuits), and generally idiotic the entire enterprise has been.
The MPAA (and friends) looks the other way, their wallet is fatter. They do not, and it's thinner. So, why would they pay money for someone to make them poorer? Dumb.
I am John Hurt.
The taxes appear to only apply to physical media, however, and only to music. So it's legal to copy music onto a blank CD or cassette for personal use, but not to copy in other circumstances. The Copyright Board was planning to extend the tax to iPods, which would make it legal to copy for personal use onto them as well, but that was overturned.
Yes, the taxes are on physical media, but they cover the distribution and use of all those bits and bytes. It implicitly covers computers as the medium where the music is stored prior to being transferred to a disc. Since we're looking at "reasonable doubt" territory, can a prosecutor prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the music was never intended to go onto CDs?
... where do you think that is going to leave the law?
And while it technically does apply only to mp3s, the RCMP has stated that they're not actively pursuing individual infringement - and they're not happy about being bullied (by US policy) into enforcing the laws against larger, for-profit organizations. So when the feds won't initiate actions, and the provinces can't be bothered to enforce it (RCMP does enforcement in many provinces and all federal enforcement)
- Nec Impar Pluribus, or so I'm told.
I think the cartel has to be broken down from the bottom. That means we'll have to crowdfund creative commons stuff and avoid copyrighted stuff like the plague.
So CRIA will start suing end users in the same way RIAA did in US, accomplishing probably the same results regarding piracy deterrence: none. Good idea...
It won't be quite the same process as in the USA. First of all, it'll likely have to go through small claims, because the burden of proof to get accepted into the superior court of justice is much, much higher. Second, the max in small claims in canada is generally around $25,000 - and you can generally only sue for money or the return of personal property, not the generally-intangible damages the RIAA sought in the USA.
No, the only people affected by this are the large-scale kim dotcom style companies that make millions off copyright infringement, and there are already a variety of laws in place that can be used to prosecute them.
- Nec Impar Pluribus, or so I'm told.
I guess I just found a positive reason for being stuck in a shitty little apartment.....Plenty of neighbors with WEP routers or even better, just plain OPEN access points....
How long until it is illegal to have an open AP?
I would like to pay a fair pirice for good content, and not pay a dime for the terrible content. Also not be forced to use a myriad of players/accounts. Deliver it in mkv/mp4 using a common service where I can pay for the exact tv-shows and movies I want. Make it easier to get it the way I want it legally than pirating it and I won't bother to torrent anything. Make this the only way to get the tv-shows so if people start pirating their favourite content it will bite them by that content going away.
How is this legal for them to pursue litigation for something I can get freely from legitimate sources? My local public library has all the same movies on BluRay I can get from TPB. I can watch all the same TV shows (more, in fact) online, streaming, from legitimate sources for free as well...
in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni
I didn't think there were that many people in Canada. Isn't it mostly populated by sheep and bears?
Sheep and bears need entertainment too. They can only laugh at the crazy US political system for 16 months in every 4 year period.
At one time Canada used to be a good place.
John Eadie [JE46] http://www.c-art.com `one of these days the dogs aren't going to eat the dog food' - Bill Joy
Someone with access to MaxMind or something similar look up the IP blocks owned by this "Canipre" company and post them here. Then everyone can start hosting torrents with a spoofed return IP that's in their range. Once they start pulling down their own IP ranges maybe they'll figure out just how fucking stupid this idea is.
It seems the only loss from piracy is the money spent on lawyers defending their current market position. I find it odd how they claim they lose so much money, but have infinite cash to burn on lawsuits.
If they can afford to battle the world they can afford the loss from Joe Downloader.
Didn't the Canadian government put a tax on media (blank CDs etc) to compensate for piracy? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
what brings justice first is money, the public accepts this and the defendant don't have the funds and so the business model in use by the mpaa/riaa is forcing settlement
which applies to making private copies for your own use of sound recordings of musical works we need a new file type that only plays the audio of the file but needs a password to unlock the video. This way all Canadians can still download the move and listen to is as an audio book but if if they are brave enough get the pass code to unlock the video. Or better yet a video player that fetches the pass code real time whenever you play the file.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
wave the the extortion letters? Pay us $3000 or go to jail. I'll keep on downloading. If they bankrupt me I'll give be a incentive to grow weed and make my money that way. I can live comfortably with 4 1000W lights running.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
No matter how big you get, how healthy your economy, how great your health care and how happy your people, you will never ever be free of your servitude to multinational corporations.
If you get that through your thick bohunk skulls you'll save yourself a lot of grief later. The USA circa 1980-2012 wants you to know that the more you resist, the more it will hurt.
Your borders, your sovereignty, don't mean shit.
And for the people of Canada, you can congratulate yourselves all you want for creating a wonderful progressive paradise, but when the guys with big money say "Jump" your politicians are still going to get on their knees and start sucking. Or something.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You may want to review bill C-11... which became law just this fall. Specifically, note that the prohibitions on copy protection circumvention extend even to the point of preventing personal and private use.
Oddly enough, bill C-11 makes the levy illegal, since it is charging Canadians for something that they cannot generally lawfully do.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Every article has the same content, and links back to a post media story. I haven't been able to find a press release, and the case doesn't have a citation, so it looks like a "placed" story, to offset the limits on copyright infringement suits imposed by bill C-11.
Generally, one has to commence a suit, then go to court and ask for an order, addressed to a particular ISP, to obtain contact information for specific customers. Otherwise you need an extraordinary remedy, a so-called Norwich order (see Slaw, http://www.slaw.ca/2009/09/15/york-university-v-bell-canada-enterprises-observations-and-implications-for-future-norwich-jurisprudence/)
This suggests that someone was hired to find a group of downloaders in BC, all using the same large ISP, and went after them. This could possibly work elsewhere, since the two big ISPs are Bell and Rogers, and there are enough customers of each to be consider risking the cost of filing a suit against 10 gadzillion john does, and convincing a court that you're for real. The amount you'll recover is limited, but if you amortize it over enough people, you might make a profit.
It would be better to get the contact details and then send a bill-collector after each of them, as you could probably frighten some of them into buying you off and signing a non-disclosure. That's a well-known trick in the U.S. It's not obvious if it would work in Canada.
Were I the company doing this, I'd want financial guarantees from the companies employing me, and the right to keep all the fines and not remit them to to my clients, the copyright holders. Here too, it's not obvious if a lawyer could do that in Canada...
--dave
davecb@spamcop.net
There are likely less than 10 million households in Canada, therefore less than 10 million identifiable personal IPs. Something doesn't add up, unless they're assuming all members of each household guilty.
So why not download free ripping programs and just borrow and rip?
Worst is that you have to fight DRM so you may need professional ripping software. Why not download that and use it?
Who is going to sue you for downloading ripping software?
Canadian Company, Hosts website in the US.
GG guys.
What the hell are they wasting people's tax dollars (through the courts) on? What the hell are they suing people over? Copying data? What a good use of time, money, and resources! Thank you for tackling this national security emergency!
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
"An anti-virus software vendor has provided forensics of a million Canadian users download habits to a company; Canipre, which works for the motion picture and recording industries".
It seems like a catch 22 for them...I wouldn't download a copy that was copy protected so I couldn't play it, therefore the copy protection had to be circumvented by someone else prior to my downloading said file...go after them if that's the charge they want to pursue...good luck with that...
Why this really pisses me off: just bought a new Sony Blu-Ray player, and especially chose one with WIFI and NetFlix built in.
I now discover that because I'm in Canada I can only choose from one quarter of the movies and shows available in the US.
The total number of entries for Canada is currently 2687 movies/shows . The total number of entries for USA is currently 10407 movies/shows. Same price, one quarter the movies.
When I can get the same choice, at the same price, I'll be more than happy to pay my $8 a month. Until then the media corps can suck eggs.
Three Squirrels
Well, it would most likely leave the law in a similar place to the U.S.
The RCMP *shouldn't* be getting involved in non-criminal suits. You won't be going to jail, but that doesn't exempt you from civil suits.
If the music companies can get your contact info to offer a "pre-settlement" or otherwise take you to civil court, that's probably where it's going to go. If you can be sued for several hundred G's, or just bankrupted with lawyer fees then it's nearly as ruinous as serving a short stint in a cell.
It does say that a recent court decision forces ISP's to reveal subscriber identities. I'm not sure which decision that is, but it would sure be nice if there were a link to it somewhere.
I do have some faith that the Canadian court system is a bit more sane in regards to penalties, but who wants to go to court?
Still, if a movie is worth seeing I usually prefer the theatre/Netflix anyhow, and any music I've downloaded online has come from Artists self-promoting for free (and good artists get more from me by donation than they'd ever get if I bought through a label) and ocassionally from iTunes.
Date in memory is not a permanent storage, nor is data stored on disk. Furthermore, a string of binary bits which have been encoded and recoded are significantly different than the original.
There are other ways to download media...unfortunately, not unlike Fight Club, I cannot mention them...
USE the NET fellow Interneteers. You will find a way. :)
It looks like they're collecting IP information from P2P and sending out nastygrams for money. They claim a 100% success rate, which I think is suspiciously high. This seems like a shakedown operation of the Give-Us-Money-Or-Else-We-Sue. Of course, damages are capped in Canada to about the small claims court level so I have to wonder what the business model is.
Their film noir web site looks like a teenager designed it.
They may be selling services to US firms as a contract IT company to the entertainment industry and are just trying to drum up business by the usual claims that they have a magic pixie dust to non technical lawyers. Anyway, if you feel like giving them a call, you can reach their Operations Director Robin Berry at rberry@canipre.com.Or give them a call any hour of the night or day at 647.693.0727.
I did some quick math based on the numbers on the Statistics Canada website. Apparently there are 4.5 Million households in Canada. 80% of those had Internet access in 2011(that includes people with dialup folks...) So that's 3.6Million households. So you are telling me they have 1 million IP addresses? Are they really thinking of prosecuting1/3 of the Canadian population? Sketchy...
Always remember to fire up PeerBlock before visiting PirateBay or starting up Bit Torrent.
They only go after the low hanging fruit, don't be it.
You heard that right.
im downloading for research purposes....
have a ncie day
scanning or gathering ip info on a user unless you are federal or law enforcement with a warrant is illegal
Netflix isn't one. The selection in Canada is mostly B quality or old because everything else is tied up in licensing bullshit. I'm not interested in discs, they're inconvenient and, frankly, just a liability taking up space. The nearest movie theatre is an hour round trip.
Give me something that's easier, faster, and more convenient than torrents, make it reasonably priced and without DRM. How hard could that be? Not at all. Setup some web servers with guaranteed download speeds, offer streaming while the download runs for instant playback, offer torrents to offset distribution costs, etc. The technology has existed for years and, as always, they have to be slowly dragged into it.
They should not get to dictate the terms by which I use their products with licensing or DRM bullshit. I want to be able to play it on my laptop, phone, tablet, big screen via Raspberry Pi ... and on MY terms, not with any bullshit charges for "services". You've sold it to me, now get your hands THE FUCK OFF.
Ford can't limit me to driving in one city and charge protect money to drive elsewhere. Stihl can't charge me for every branch I cut down with a chain saw. And so on...
General Inquiries
canipre@canipre.com
647.693.0727
Robin Berry
Senior Director, Operations
rberry@canipre.com
Media Inquiries
media@canipre.com
going to contact these people with the legal aspects of privacy law of canada and let them know that its against the law to knowingly gather information on a person OR IP especially since your scanning hte user to know they are using a certain protocol.
Scanning without a warrant or private investigators liscense ( still questionable without a warrant ) is illegal.
MAKE SURE YOU get a lawyer and have them look into scanning and info gathering without a warrant.
tell us what private copying is vs say NON private is that some guy burning a disk out front of the cop shop compared to burning it at home? ....i will give all the levied cdrs back and i want every dam dime of the disks back and ill fraking make my own entertainment and give it away free for the rest of my life cause i can....
IF someone wants to sue me go for it
and dont you think you can fuck with me lil girle boy...im da real man ...the shit the bomb and ill blow it all in your face.
what is media ?
is it ONLY MUSIC?
no really your all winding your selves the wrong way its a MEDIA LEVY
not my prob who gets paid or doesn't let them fight over it after all the cria now music canada got sued and lost and had to pay one guy whom claimed to be all the artists they never paid up here since 1980
so its not like they are paying anyone...
fuck em all and let god or aliens sort it out
i have a 40 year pending list too
you didnt break the law someone else did
its a loophole so a dvdrip you get you didnt crack it but the person whom did is a bad person oh my
just evil i tell ya
18 dollar pop n popcorn later im borke destitute and on a street corner begging that musican fo rchange....hell i ought to beat the one up at the corner and take his place so i can watch a movie or buy an album....
we have 34 million people
we used to have 24 million net users till the caps came along in 2006 when stephen harper and bell went ape shit stupid...
OH and someone ought to forward this to the RCMP of canada.
ITS agaisnt the law to spy without a warrant last time vic toews checked anyhow !!!
GOOD we stopped the internet spy law eh people?
thats not been seen in court its called a blank media levy
NOT a blank MUSIC levy
get your facts stright and argue it properly.
MEDIA is books, art, photo's movies and music
the charter forbids you making one law and then having another contradict it....
this is why this is gonnabe funny and someone needs go all the way they can with it the first time they get sued and make them pay through the teeth
if anyone gets threatened we need ot support them and help em fight it ...EVERY TIME ....so its a one at a time thing good luck with that.
this form of suit is not even class actionable
cost them 5 grand to just show up in court
Ford also doesn't mind you modifying your car and then reselling it....
no carright term there eh?
maybe we need to apply copyrights to everything so we all can walk around with giant wheelbarrows exchanging nickels and dimes.
fucks actors musicans and labels
Don't just download the latest movies in the clear. This is only for people from somewhat liberal countries. You should protect yourselves with some of the many obfuscation techniques.
Remember, the scum out to get you are more than capable of destroying your life and feeling good about doing so. Stay safe!
Canipre does not even seem to have a French website. Isn't it illegal if they are located in Montreal (under Quebec law)?
Dude, you never had a party with one, hey?
Tomorrow is another day...
I've purchased over 5,000 CDs and over 3,000 DVDs, as well as about 500 VHS tapes in my life. Prices back then weren't cheap, either, especialy for the VHS tapes. They were a "new thing." Same with DVDs when they came out.
I've spent over $150,000 on media over the years.
If I live to be 100, that would be 1200 months of payments. Near as I can figure, I've already paid $125/month from the cradle to the grave for media.
Just when is enough enough?
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
Not buy a single movie go to see any turn off the tube and start making their own and uploading them.
We have seen big budgets are not needed to make good movies and hell it just might be fun when this is an industry in its own right.
Actually I did. It was nothing to write home about. In fact him yelling at his sister to get back in her room and to take her kid with her kinda put a damper on things......
Good luck proving that it wasn't my neighbour uploading all that content. Oh, the uploading is the only part they have even a sliver of legal basis to go after us on, since downloading content ISN'T against the law here. I guess I'll just run a second router with an open wifi connection, and only turn it on when I'm using it. prove I'm the one who did anything without getting your hands on my computer, idiots.
Honestly, I'm more worried about the CRTC getting me for not making sure that at least 25% of my pirated content is Canadian.
Plus, it figures that this moronic company is in Quebec. They should know by now the rest of the country doesn't give a crap about them. If they keep harboring e-terrorists like this firm, the rest of our provinces will probably just stop funding their entire lives. I bet that company is operating on a grant paid for by the Alberta oil sands and logging in BC. I'm pretty sure their economy can't survive on maple syrup alone, so play nice, or we'll make you guys all get real jobs.
since the kids don't really download except for me I'll just keep a second HD with a clean install of Linux Mint on it (fresh from store HD). if they ever come I'll just plop it in and off I go. SInce my router has no password and I don't keep logs, shitty for them.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
The half wolf, half pig creature looked up into the rolling meadows. As far as its hungry, greedy eyes could see were beasts of burden. Thousands of grey-white furry forms like the swirls in a wide, muddy stream. The hungry animal wished it could eat all of them. It roared/squeeled, not bothering with a stealthy approach.
Then it broke into a sprint and soon had an unlucky calf in its jaws, it's hot blood still pumping from its neck in spurts. The rest of the herd gradually dispersed. Although one was taken the rest were protected by their sheer numbers. Herd/swarm behavior evolved relatively quickly in the animal world because, at least for the majority, it works. Most of the animals worried little about being taken by predators and just went on with their lives. Someday it may be their turn, but the odds were against it.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
Thinking about this for a few seconds and I've come to a conclusion... what are the odds that said forensics experts actually just started sharing out, hell even fully downloaded the popular movies and just IP logged all traffic... I say very high to yep that's exactly what they did. Solution... VPNs or a complete rethink to the P2P protocols using something like the old FSP (File Slip Protocol) and writing in something that trashes/obfuscates the destination and origin IPs. However I digress. The real question is... if they are using this technique to "NAB" the offenders... then they are offending themselves. Makes for interesting thought.
remember if i pay a levy which was in effect a lisence to do private copying and you change the law such that i have to buy a blank cdr and pay that levy and then get fined and have a record of up to 5000$
section one of the charter of rights and freedoms states:
YOU need to look at the Oakes test....
The test is applied once the claimant has proven that one of the provisions of the Charter has been violated. The onus is on the Crown to pass the Oakes test.
you have one law BLANK MEDIA LEVY and then violate my right to privacy and security by adding a new one that penalizes me after in good faith i have paid already.
as the CRIA now music canada has asked for and received when it asked for increases ot said levy and not more....then one can argue that the fillowing needs to be proved in order that section one oakes test be passed.
There must be a pressing and substantial objective
The means must be proportional
The means must be rationally connected to the objective
There must be minimal impairment of rights
There must be proportionality between the infringement and objective.
you affectivly impair the following rights with this case.
Without a warrant they have passed private data to a court , thus say if i have downloaded music and placed onto blank cdrs paying said levy
one could argue such laws that contrary themselves are unfair and violate section seven fo the charter and the fundamental principals of justice.
and if you read section 7 you will see various "angles"
like Arbitrariness
It is a principle of fundamental justice that laws should not be arbitrary. (R. v. Malmo-Levine) That is, the state cannot limit an individual's rights where "it bears no relation to, or is inconsistent with, the objective that lies behind [it]"
in effect you dont make a copyright levy have every forced to pay it , and then stuff a 5000 dollar fine and the stress involved which is another violation of section seven
there is the right to security of the person, which consists of rights to privacy of the body and its health[9] and of the right protecting the "psychological integrity" of an individual. That is, the right protects against significant government-inflicted harm (stress) to the mental state of the individual.
thats my interpretation of it.
you've already got a media levy , you then add all this to things and add the stress and violations of privacy by a NON GOVERNMENT entity and you actually think all this is legal and some judge already let them enter the evidence?
its a joke. The major factor here while there may be other laws that aren't major that conflict they are not going to affect large sections of the populace.
someone has edited and removed portions of the wiki that showed a part that dealt with this specifically and i bet this is why so ill do the research with the actual charter and get back to you
but i'm positive you cant make laws that contradict each other especially on purpose it may happen now and then in minor bits but this is like double dipping and what not...
they already get levy money i'd make the challenge they should not get or be entitled to any more.
and then id go through the rings of what distribution of a record to s tore would cost and then once that is removed show in past they would be lucky to give about a dime per disk to an artist and they get 27 cents now per blank....
Then there is the aspects of violations of the strict privacy laws of Canada nad our fraud laws that entail how they obtained without out legal means to obtain data on these 50 people....only two ways to know one is using bittorrent , be in the swarm , or port scanning....
both ways your not law enforcement so committing the illegal act of sharing it out is in itself not legal and thus your breach of law in obtaining said data is also in and of itself should not have been admissible.
IN fact it is possible a judge can via those terrorist laws allow for say a police officer or RCMP or other law
5 grand max eh ,8 are also vioalted OH id get you all to donate and cost them so much cash they'd crawl back under there stinkin lil rocks for another decade...WHY cause they wont know if anyone like me is in that swarm and if i am then any profit they could get is totally wiped out....and if they say well we wont sue disabled cause a this then its discrimination on the rest of ya...haha
guess what if say that were given to me as a fine guess what
im on disability the max i have to pay form anything is 50$
so guess fucking what ill get all the doh i could and make any case last for 7 days in a row costing them tens of thousands of dollars and the most they can get in the civil case is 5 measly grand
the govt put that limit cause i spoke aobut working people not able to pay a fine are forced into prisons
and the 20 grand fine is 6.7 years max in jail per music tune
ya after you pay the media levy of 26.7 cents per disc....
cruel and unusal punishment section 12
sections 1 , 2 , 7,
nice try to add to the meaning ...not my prob ...moneys been given whom does what with it not my issue , i hear the cria steals it from artists even as we speak....
NOW tell us all what the definition of the word "MEDIA" is....
now sub that in where you use the word music cause your trying to save your precious
"were not going to bust anyone downloading"
telling us the people the law is unenforceable thus making hte law against the charter of rights and freedoms.
The govt cannot make laws that the know will not be enforced.
The door must start closing for these faggots lawyers / barry logan pieces of shit, time to put a bullet in their head. But hey, even better, first start killing his family: kill wife, then send message DOOR NOT CLOSING FOR US - then hit another family member if possible, if they are watched just kill him. Then start killing their lawyers. Soon nobody will be sued for downloading some shitty movies. All violence and kills should be video recorded and put online as an example. It would work if someone just started killing.
If I was taken to court for this piracy stuff, I would subpoena their financial records for proof that they were harmed. The full books. I'm sure the government would like to see those books as well. Once they are in evidence, well.....
I think that all y'all should read through the actual copyright law, or at least, check out Michael Geist's blog .
The max fine is 5000 canukshekels for all infringements prior to the lawsuit, but the minimum fine is $100, and the law contains language advising the courts to consider stuff like the impact of the fine on the defendant, and so on. Mr. Geist suggests that it might not be worthwhile for the MAFIAA and so forth to go to court only to be awarded $100 in damages.
As well, the rulings of that Federal Court in Montreal ordering the ISPs to hand over the names of subscribers (there was another case about 18 months ago in the same court, I believe) have never been appealed; eventually, that will wind up in the Supreme Court.
Doh.
See http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6710/125/
davecb@spamcop.net
Downloading a movie in Canada doesn't violate any Canadian laws.
Are they going to go after everyone for international copyright infringement or is this just a scare tacit? Canada's government is more right wing then it's been in a while, but I can't see even Harper signing off on the extradition of someone who downloaded Iron Man 3.
It's a better product.
So why don't media companies adopt a certificate-authenticated rss feed. This would work really well for television shows as well as for new DVD releases, whatever. If this existed, I'd cancel my DirecTV subscription today and go straight to the content providers.
Charge $5/month per feed.
The rss feed can then point to torrents, or the networks's own resources (if they can handle the traffic ... remember, we don't want to spend 3 hours downloading a 20 minute TV episode).
Seems the best way to go to me. But what do I know. I'd pay this, as would many others. Especially if it was reliable and consistently labelled, and DRM FREE.
Stuff that I already have on DVD, but which has stupid DRM (on top of CSS) that makes it difficult to convert it to other formats and devices. Then I'll hope they try to bring forward a case where I can point out that the only law I'm breaking is the (stupid) one regarding circumventing DRM.
The more people will realise "Hey, wait a second, screw those assholes! I don't have to put up with this. I can say no to their products!"
And when enough shit happens, your Average Joe will go free culture (aka Creative Commons) ON YO ASS, YO!
Either they stop chasing their customers, or they die trying to squeeze their customers every penny they got.
systemd is not an init system. It's a GNU replacement.
Date in memory is not a permanent storage, nor is data stored on disk. Furthermore, a string of binary bits which have been encoded and recoded are significantly different than the original.
Data on disk is considered permanent storage.
The copy doesn't have to be permanent to be in violation of copyright law.
A copy doesn't have to be identical to be a violation of copyright law. You can't legally copy the Harry Potter books by changing the font, a single word, etc.
It's time to open my wireless router, and give my kids access to the internet; I need plausible deniability.
Barry Logan, managing director of Canipre, the Montreal-based forensic software company.
Just like HB Gary, this company needs a spanking.
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What if it was all a ruse to identify pirates by the motion picture industry to make some real money PLUS identify pirates both at the same time?
We've been duped people!!!
While everyone is distracted with the legality of downloading copyrighted material.... the pirates will not get caught.
See anyone with 1/2 a brain doesn't download from their own IP. You can.... encrypt data..... mask your IP address.... or..... just use someone elses internet. Wireless routers are relatively easy to hack, and theres enough free wifi from local businesses.... well frankly I'm not sure why anyone pays for internet.......
Oh well, when the copyright police come to drag pirates off to jail, I expect they will be getting a lot of old people who probably did not download the new Bieber album, but probably could have used a more secure password.