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Playstation Controller Runs Syrian Rebel Tank

SternisheFan writes "As Syria's rebels work to overthrow the tank-equipped Assad regime, they've learned that it helps to have tanks of their own. They deserve bonus points for integrating video game technology. This is no exaggeration. Have a look at the opposition forces' "100 percent made in Syria" armored vehicle, the Sham II. Named for ancient Syria and assembled out of spare parts over the course of a month, the Sham II is sort of rough around the edges, but it's got impressive guts. It rides on the chassis of an old diesel car and is fully encased in light steel that's rusted from the elements. Five cameras are mounted around the tank's outside, and there's a machine gun mounted on a turning turret. Inside, it kind of looks like a man cave. A couple of flat screen TVs are mounted on opposite walls. The driver sits in front of one, controlling the vehicle with a steering wheel, and the gunner sits at the other, aiming the machine gun with a Playstation controller."

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  1. Novel by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Novel, but let's hope there's no electrical failure or a single wire in that video system that comes loose, otherwise they are sitting in a dark metal box without a single port or window. Military tanks have multiple methods the driver can see outside in addition to any electronic systems - optical periscopes, a hatch directly above the driver that they can raise their seat and literally stick their head out while driving, etc.

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    1. Re:Novel by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's an interesting battlefield trend over the decades where if they can see you, you're pretty much dead.

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    2. Re:Novel by pkthunders · · Score: 2

      Modern combat rely on increasingly longer distances of detection and engagement so this won't do a damn there. This is more of an armored car/transport that probably won't be used to bust through fortification. And view ports might compromise the design as someone could just stick their gun in there or just shoot through it.

    3. Re:Novel by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's an interesting battlefield trend over the decades where if they can see you, you're pretty much dead.

      Try the last century or so, the British learned the lesson about what happens when you loose air superiority and show your ass in open country the hard way at the battle of Cambrai in 1917, entire battalions and even regimental sized units were badly torn up by German attack aircraft during the British retreat. Mind you, on this same occasion, the Germans them selves learned a few painful things about the massed use of armor from the British who them selves learned that Tanks can be knocked out by aircraft and that anti aircraft guns with their flat trajectories and high muzzle velocity are good for shooting at more things than aircraft. One has to give the Taliban and the rest of these Middle Eastern guerrilla forces credit for being very, very good at not showing their ass in open country and when they do they usually distribute their forces to the point where airstrikes boils down to the USAF hosing off a $100.000 PGM to kill 6 guys carrying a $150 Khyber Pass AK47 copy and maybe 30 bucks worth of grenades and ammo each.

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    4. Re:Novel by davydagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or better yet, it might look cool, or dangerous, but what about the scrap grade steel is made out of, how ballasticly sound is it?

      This "hillbilly armor" is the same welded on cheap steal armor that the humvees started using when they first when to armor. It wasn't that great and it really didn't stop bullets all too well.

      This is not a "tank", but a ghetto version of an armored humvee, without the protection that modern ones have (will stop all rounds short of .50 BMG).

      Its not much of a "tank" by todays standards, more like an armored car. Tank implies 360 degree turret, think armor and decent sized cannon for main armament.

      MBTs, or main battle tanks, the only real tanks left (there are no more light, medium and heavy tanks in the modern age), are heavily armored, tracked vehciles, with large main gun cannons, designed as anti-vehicle weapons, and quick moving mobile guns.

      Yes, I know my shit on tanks. Yes its first hand. This is not one.

    5. Re:Novel by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hold on, are you trying to suggest that a vehicle that took a month and $10k to design and build doesn't have the same capabilities as an M1A2? Have you notified the author?

      Seriously though, cut the guys some slack. It might not fit your definition of a "tank", but it's pretty impressive that these guys are able to design, build, and field vehicles like this. If the fighting goes on for too much longer then I'm sure we'll see version 3 of this vehicle. I doubt they are trying to put these things up against T90s, but it's a novel idea when they need a machine gun out there and an advantage against the other troops. It's like an IFV without the I.

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    6. Re:Novel by craigminah · · Score: 2

      Looks more like a metal coffin...or, if I'm being more politically correct it's a metallic enemy body parts containment vessel which is great as it makes for easy cleanup.

    7. Re:Novel by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      It is better than nothing.
      While say a "real" tank could probably take some direct hits, this thing could probably survive a barrage of fragments from a nearby explosion, as well against normal bullets. It may not stand up to a real tank, But it would be good against ground troops.

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    8. Re:Novel by g1zmo · · Score: 2

      Seeing as how the previous iteration was something like this, I'd say it's a fair engineering improvement.

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    9. Re:Novel by icebike · · Score: 2

      Modern combat rely on increasingly longer distances of detection and engagement so this won't do a damn there. This is more of an armored car/transport that probably won't be used to bust through fortification. And view ports might compromise the design as someone could just stick their gun in there or just shoot through it.

      That's exactly my read on it as well.
      This might be sufficient against small arms fire from small caliber weapons. But the first PRG that hits it or goes under it renders it useless scrap metal.

      Props for ingenuity. But against anything other than unmounted under-armed ground troops it is useless.

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    10. Re:Novel by petsounds · · Score: 2

      Well, it's not a 'tank' by definition either because it's not a tracked vehicle. It's more of an APC. The designers admit that its armor will only stop small arms fire. But for certain situations -- avoiding sniper fire, transporting wounded in a battle area, flushing out infantry -- it has its use. The Libyan freedom fighters were building similar armored vehicles. Necessity is the mother of invention.

    11. Re:Novel by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      Sherman destroyed property to spare lives.

  2. Gamepad not Playstation Controller by ninjacheeseburger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Judging by the buttons 1,2,3,4 I'd say this is a generic pc gamepad not a playstation controller.

    1. Re:Gamepad not Playstation Controller by glueball · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does pressing up up down down left right left right B A start give any additional protection?

      Oh. That's the Nintendo tank. Nevermind.

    2. Re:Gamepad not Playstation Controller by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      And it needs that additional protection, considering it comes in an odd shape and in neon bright flashy colors. The only thing that might save it is that it's far too cute to blow up.

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  3. Not a Playstation controller by AAWood · · Score: 2

    Umm, that's not a Playstation controller, or at least not an official first-party one. Give how many PC controllers have used that style, it's more likely just some generic PC controller.

    1. Re:Not a Playstation controller by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Umm, that's not a Playstation controller, or at least not an official first-party one. Give how many PC controllers have used that style, it's more likely just some generic PC controller.

      These guys are out to smash the state; but they aren't the sort of depraved nihilists who violate EULAs!

    2. Re:Not a Playstation controller by Eberlin · · Score: 2

      Of course it's not a first-party PS1 controller. You wouldn't want to show off your real weaponry to the public. In the future we'll hear about the mythical SHAM-alamadingdong Tank that was used to Dual-Shock and Awe the Syrian government and totally pwn those n00bs. It's all about the plans within plans, man.

  4. Does this mean that gaming controllers by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    are going to be on the ITAR list?

    Seriously though, the gap between technology available to consumers and that available to the military only has narrowed drastically over the last decade or two. And I think it's a good thing - it helps to level the playing field between oppressive regimes, (or would-be oppressive regimes), and citizens.

    Anything that puts power into the hands of the otherwise disenfranchised is probably, on the whole, a good thing.

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    1. Re:Does this mean that gaming controllers by Patch86 · · Score: 2

      "Military grade" equipment has rarely been about capabilities- it's about reliability. The reason a military walkie-talkie costs 20x what the ones they give to shopping centre security staff cost is not because they have much by way of extra features (although they might have some, that's not what costs the money); it's because they expected to work faultlessly for years in deserts and swamps and to never unexpectedly stop working when you're in the middle of calling in the cavalry.

      A hand-held controller is a hand-held controller is a hand-held controller; there's nothing special, in terms of what it can do, between the ones that cost £9.99 on Amazon and the ones that the military probably pays £5000 a piece for. What's special is that if that "tank" gets shaken up a nearby explosion (or a speed-bump), what's the guarantee that the analogue stick isn't going to snap off in your hand, or some little wire is going to get shaken loose and the things going to get stuck on "left arrow button"?

  5. Otherwise known as by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Call of Duty: Duct Tape Ops

  6. Your driving I'm watching. by zippo01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WOW, this is not a tank, its a death trap. An old diesel car with light steel construction? I wouldn't drive this to my local geto grocery store much less a war zone with real tanks and explosives. Nice try, but fail...

    1. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by zippo01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      So I did some more looking and it really is a death trap. The wheels are still exposed, and the steel is at most 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick, which would easy be penetrated by an AK-47 or an Nato 556 round. It is really just a death trap.

    2. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by BcNexus · · Score: 2

      A-la the Granby bulldozer, it needs metal-concrete-metal composite armor and tank treads. Also, protect the cameras with acrylic cases to prevent damage to them and fit compressed air guns onto them to clear off debris. Imagine how much more protected it would be then!

    3. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by Sperbels · · Score: 2

      Seriously? 1/2 inch thick steel is easily penetrated by common rifle ammunition? That doesn't sound right. 1/2 inch?

    4. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Don't worry, before the cameras get dirty that thing's already blown sky high.

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    5. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by gman003 · · Score: 2

      I actually read TFA, and they're saying it will withstand 23mm autocannon fire. I imagine they're exaggerating a bit, but I also imagine they at least tested it with the weapons they had on hand, like the 7.62mm LMG they mounted on it.

    6. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

      How do you get 1/4 - 1/2 inches from 2.5cm? 2.5cm is .98 inches. Both articles cite 2.5cm as the thickness of the steel.

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    7. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by systemeng · · Score: 2

      Half inch mild steel might stop lead. Even .308 AP will go straight through without even slowing down. I have a whole box of such plates in my shop.

    8. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by Time_Ngler · · Score: 2

      The article states the walls are 2.5 cm thick, which is almost an inch

    9. Re:Your driving I'm watching. by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      Given the weight on top, I find it hard to accept that they are air filled tires.

      Since it doesn't go fast anyway, solid rubber tires, (or tires filled with an inert solid of some sort) would make much more sense.

      In which case, a .22 round is only going to either get lodged in the tire, or bounce off. Simply because the tire is exposed doesn't mean the tire is air filled. (In fact, an air filled tire would be beyond the critical limit for sidewall pressure with that much improvised armor on top. They would pop.)

      A cheap trick would be to fill the tires with dry, fine sand, THEN inflate to pressure. Doesn't solve the "guns make holes in the tires" problem, but also prevents the "hole in tire causes immediate immobility" and "tires suffering too much sidewall pressure" problems.

      Again, such tires would NOT be capable of highway speeds. 20mph would be pushing it to the point of melting the tires. This is a heavy, gun carrying metal turd. It won't be driving that fast anyway.

  7. By the looks of that vehicle.... by rwyoder · · Score: 2

    ...I'd say it was designed and built in Granby, Colorado.

    1. Re:By the looks of that vehicle.... by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Heemeyer Bulldozer was arguably a much more potent vehicle than this little steel-plated car. He wasn't stopped until a combination of a blown radiator and getting stuck high-centered on a basement wall got him- I think that ramming this little steel-plated car with a pickup truck would take it out of commission. Heemeyer took out numerous buildings and vehicles and despite being shot at repeatedly managed to keep going. Had he done a more thorough job armoring his radiator (yes, I know that it needs airflow and that one can only armor it so much) and knowing his environment (not getting stuck in the basement) then he might have managed to continue his rampage until military forces with a portable rocket launcher showed up.

      I have a friend that owns a WWII Ford M8 Greyhound and has several other WWII-era light armored vehicles, like a half-track armored truck. The designer of this car seems to have missed the important part that too much open interior is not necessarily an advantage. That half-track doesn't have a lot of interior space, literally enough for the soldiers and their equipment, and because of that, the same amount of mass for the vehicle can accommodate thicker armor where it matters, around the people. The vehicle isn't meant to survive a pounding, it's meant to keep its occupants alive when hit, so that they can get out and counterattack. This little car doesn't strike me as designed with that in mind.

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  8. Controller, phooey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone knows you use a mouse and keyboard! This choice of input devices has doomed the rebels to failure!

  9. The Sham II? by TechieRefugee · · Score: 2

    *insert pun about the tank being a sham here*

  10. Re:I, for one, by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "going through" is probably more accurate than you intended...

    My guess is that something would penetrate, keep on going, penetrate out the other side, then explode. Hell, the occupants might be safer for that...

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  11. Not a tank by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Light Armored Vehicle maybe, but not a tank... Tanks have a heavy caliber main gun with machine gun as backups. A vehicle with only a machine gun isn't a tank... Probably well within the category of LAV though.

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  12. Taken out of commision.... by kryliss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    by a common spike strip.

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    1. Re:Taken out of commision.... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Not to mention that the only protection for the cameras are little tiny roofs made out of the same metal armor as the rest of the thing (you can see them clearly in the video included with the article). A simple concussive blast on the face of it would probably knock out both front cameras, or else come darn close to doing so, and that's assuming that the RPG or whatever else you were using didn't just punch a hole right through the front of the vehicle outright.

  13. It's not a tank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's more of a light infantry support vehicule. Useless against real armor but could shift the tide in an infantry struggle for a street, for example.

  14. Re:If you disable the cameras... by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why shine a IR laser when you can launch a RPG?

    On the modern battlefield if they see you, you're dead. This is not the era of wooden ships and iron men, or even WWII battleships.

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  15. Not a tank by gman003 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is not a tank. That's an armored car.

    A tank requires three things: heavy armor, a turret-mounted gun capable of anti-tank combat, and the use of tracks instead of wheels.

    This arguably fails all three. It's a wheeled vehicle, and that 7.62mm gun may as well be paintballs to other tanks - it's a common caliber for the coax gun on modern tanks, for use when you don't want to waste your expensive ammo against mere infantry. The armor is definitely insufficient to handle modern tanks, but it would have been enough for 20's and '30s tanks (or perhaps WW2-era Italian or Japanese tanks), so you could probably squeeze it in.

    That said, as long as the rebels use it intelligently, an armored car is a very useful tool. Keep it in the cities, where tanks have difficulty maneuvering, but use its mobility to outflank infantry. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts - it doesn't look like it could handle modern anti-tank missiles, but it *might* stand up to an RPG-7 or so.

  16. Re:A-Team jokes by sheehaje · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was actually thinking of Stripes ...

    Man I wanted that bad ass RV when I was a kid.

  17. Re:If you disable the cameras... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't think it's prudent to be launching a new RPG in this over-saturated market. Maybe if it's got first class licensed material and is connected to a top notch company, but wasn't there a LOTR MMO that died recently?

    I think action-adventure is the way to go in the current market. Maybe even something pure adventure with a more in-depth storyline. What was the budget behind the Walking Dead game, anyway? Makes me wonder what other first-rate games are out there this year that aren't based on just shooting things.

  18. Re:More of an AFV... by Scutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's 3/8" steel scrap at 50 yards with 7.62x39 fired from an AK47. I recommend muting the volume.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zke2JLYWlMc

    It'll go right through it and then proceed to shred the occupants of the vehicle, incidentally also spraying whoever is missed with molten steel.

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  19. Re:I, for one, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Achmed, we have air conditioning now!

  20. Re:and ps2 run there missile guidance systems by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    They would have used PS3s but sadly they only found ones that were updated and stripped of their ability to run Linux.

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  21. Look at its name. Re:Not a tank by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    That is why they called this thing sham. It ain't real tank. It is a sham.

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  22. They're gonna get pwned. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . by the guys using a mouse and keyboard. Everyone knows the accuracy and response time of an optical mouse is an order of magnitude greater than a d-stick.

  23. Re:More of an AFV... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

    While that's a nice video, both articles cite the thickness at 2.5cm, or 1 inch.

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  24. Re:More of an AFV... by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    Casualties cause more problems than fatalities. If they're dead you can leave them there for days. If your friend is screaming for help, you'll risk your life to save him and get him out of the line of fire. Then you'll need a good 2-3 guys to carry him to the equivalent of a field hospital. Said hospital needs to be staffed and protected. Etc. Logistically speaking dead soldiers are a lot easier to deal with than injured ones, so long as they're not dying faster than you can train them up.

    As for the "armored car", I'm sure the bullet will have enough punch to kill you. Flesh and even bone are much, much "softer" than steel. If that thing has a 20mm or 30mm anti-aircraft gun pointed at it, everyone inside is dead.

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  25. Re:I, for one, by rgbrenner · · Score: 2

    What? you have an overactive imagination. How you got to +4 with speculation, I have no idea.

    Mythbusters: RPG 101
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KdHfP_0x8

    Watch until the end when they show the high speed.. notice the rpg penetrates the trailer (which has thinner steel that this tank), and explodes before exiting the other side.