Mozilla Brings Back Firefox 64-Bit For Windows Nightly Builds

An anonymous reader writes "Last month, Mozilla Engineering Manager Benjamin Smedberg quietly announced that the 64-bit version of Firefox for Windows would never see the light of day. After what he referred to as 'significant negative feedback,' Smedberg has announced he has reviewed that feedback, consulted with his release engineering team, and has decided on a modification to the original plan: Firefox 64-bit for Windows may still never be released, but nightly builds will live another day."

Comments

64-bit? Bah

[Anonymous Coward]

That means Firefox will still be limited to 4 PiB, which I'm sure it'll be reaching by the release of Firefox 12,458 next year. We need a 128-bit version.

I was using Waterfrox

[Jafafa Hots]

The 64 bit branch of FireFox and loved it, it was much faster. Some recent update broke compatibility and I have to do a total uninstall and then reinstall while backing up every Firefox thing elsewhere to restore, since it uses the same profile, etc.

Too lazy to work out the issue, in other words.

But if you have a nice fast 64bit machine, try Wtaerfox, you'll probably love it. Unless it sucks now.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[lightknight]

Nonsense, been running WaterFox myself. Works with all the FireFox extensions I can find.

I do not, for the life of me, understand why FireFox is so hell-bent on 32-bit versions.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Billly Gates]

Probably because flash, java, and other plugin makers are so slow to move to 64 bits. Not to mention many out there feel a browser should not use more than 4 gigs of ram and is a light text and graphics reader. Not a minature operating system running complex ajax applications

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Only that it does not.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[core_tripper]

I can recommend Palemoon.instead of Waterfox.
Its compiled for new (SSE2) cpu's and some "redundant and optional code" is disabled.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Frosty Piss]

FF sucks to began with.

Only that it does not.

Perhaps you just don't have that plug-in installed?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Java is 64-bit since a long time. Flash also has a 64-bit version on windows for quite some time. As for Java... it's a PITA to install 32 and 64 bit versions at the same time. Amazing how Oracle messed that up. Going 64-bit only however makes this problem disappear: the 64-bit version is all you need and there are no more clashes. And it gives an immediate speed bonus as well, as 64-bit simply is faster.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[hairyfeet]

Pale Moon is also quite good and has a 64bit version although they compile their for newer CPUs (Athlon64, P4 and above) but if you are running 64bits you probably aren't using an ancient CPU anyway.

But the FF numbers have been dropping and its from nothing but shit like this, being arrogant and not listening to their customers. After all that is EXACTLY what they are, for without them Google wouldn't pay Mozilla for the search rights and the whole company goes down the drain so its time they started actively listening to their customers instead of pissing them off.

This is one thing we have so much better than we did when FF first came out, it no more "use this or get stuck with IE" nonsense, no more having the entire web coded for IE quirks, now we have this great bounty of choice so if any company refuses to listen to us we can just go somewhere else without having to jump through hoops or deal with a crippled web experience. Just off the top of my head I can name Chrome, Chromium and Comodo Dragon in the Chromium based camp, FF, Pale Moon, Waterfox,Kemelon and Comodo IceDragon in the gecko builds, then you got the more "one offs" like Safari and Opera, that's ten browsers that will ALL render the web just fine, so if the numbers for FireFox go down they have nobody to blame but themselves. maybe next time instead of just pulling a boneheaded stunt how about actually asking your customers first, huh?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[icebike]

I do not, for the life of me, understand why FireFox is so hell-bent on 32-bit versions.

I do not for the life of me understand this blind push to 64bit when there is no demonstrable speed improvement.
32bit software on a 64bit platform is not measurably slower for the tasks that a browser needs to do.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Billly Gates]

In this case they are listening.

I can see where Mozilla is coming from as they have limited resources to double the development efforts for a so called free product. I wish Mozilla would invent Mozilla search to go head to head with Google, but they do not have the revenue for such a risky maneuver.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

I do not for the life of me understand what demonstratable speed improvement has to do with anything?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[chronokitsune3233]

It may be a blind push to 64-bit, but when AMD and Intel debut some 128-bit CPUs for mainstream computing, which may leave some 32-bit support out just as much 16-bit stuff was left out of 64-bit, obviously there will be a need for at least a 64-bit version of the application. Then you'll see a push for a native 128-bit version. Look at what happened with the switch from Windows 9x/ME to XP. Microsoft put many 16-bit applications on life support after XP came to the desktop to replace the 9x/ME versions of Windows. Speed improvement or not, the ability to use the browser without messing with "compatibility settings" and praying it works at all is definitely a plus. Aside from that, at least there isn't a speed degradation in the 64-bit version when compared with the 32-bit version.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[dgatwood]

Not to mention many out there feel a browser should not use more than 4 gigs of ram and is a light text and graphics reader.

Having a >4GB footprint is not the only reason to move to a 64-bit address space. As more software becomes 64-bit, those legacy 32-bit apps become more of a problem, both in terms of longer application launch times (because the 32-bit library stack that it uses isn't loaded initially) and in terms of added memory pressure (because of all those unnecessary libraries loaded into RAM).

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[RabidReindeer]

Probably because flash, java, and other plugin makers are so slow to move to 64 bits. Not to mention many out there feel a browser should not use more than 4 gigs of ram and is a light text and graphics reader. Not a minature operating system running complex ajax applications

That, after all, is a job for Emacs.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[machine321]

I do not for the life of me understand this blind push to 64bit when there is no demonstrable speed improvement.

Part of the problem is all Firefox tabs and windows are part of the same process, unlike IE (and I believe Chrome). So, if a misbehaved AJAX app in one tab uses a gig and a half, every browser window becomes unusable. If FF were 64-bit, then it could use the 8GB or 16GB found in most new machines to mask the problem.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

or even better if the Apache Foundation made a search engine.... or maybe a collaborative Mozilla-Apache effort

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

i'm pretty sure it would be still be possible to thunk a 16 or 32 bit instruction on a 128 bit processor

will Microsoft Windows 128-bit support 16 or 32 bit? probably not

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[murdocj]

Yikes, Oracle... had a bad flashback to installing the Oracle client. Cold chills go up my spine whenever I think about it. How could installing that damn client be that painful?????

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Jah-Wren Ryel]

The 64 bit branch of FireFox and loved it, it was much faster.

Not really. Look at their own benchmarks - at best performance is roughly 15% faster, some cases slower. They also commit the cardinal sin of using benchmark charts that do not start at zero, #1 on the list of "how to lie with numbers."

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

There might be some kind of other improvement. I went through that whole 16-to-32-bit movement, and it wasn't much fun to deal with 16-bit apps dealing with 16-bit limits. It was harder to do certain file operations--especially installs--when the program thinks that the PC has -1GB of disk space. It's funny to have to create large files on purpose, just to get the free space down enough to make 16-bit apps happy.

It looks like this time around, I'll be bit by certain 4GB limits. Already, I see that under certain circumstances, some programs don't do terribly well writing files over 4GB in size on 32-bit, even if there's a so-called "large file support" in place. So I'm looking forward to real 64 bit, if only so I no longer have to weed out real hardware 64-bitness from faked-in-software 64-bitness on a case by case basis. Also, according to the Google folks, I need a 64-bit machine to compile Chrome because the final linker stage crosses 32-bit limits. I'd like to get rid of problems like that early rather than late.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Tridus]

If they have limited resources they should direct them in a more appropriate way. 64 bit Firefox has significant benefits to performance and less out of memory related crashing.

The OS they're working on, OTOH...

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[niftymitch]

Not to mention many out there feel a browser should not use more than 4 gigs of ram and is a light text and graphics reader.

Having a >4GB footprint is not the only reason to move to a 64-bit address space. As more software becomes 64-bit, those legacy 32-bit apps become more of a problem, both in terms of longer application launch times (because the 32-bit library stack that it uses isn't loaded initially) and in terms of added memory pressure (because of all those unnecessary libraries loaded into RAM).

Larger than 4GB footprint ... not the issue.

The register use calling conventions in 64 bit mode are richer and faster.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[gbjbaanb]

however, that just masks the problem, doesn't solve it.

With the current Firefoxes, you can go to the help menu and see what tabs are using what memory from the 'troubleshooting information' item. then you can see a rogue tab has gobbled all your ram, and close it. That's a solution.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[loufoque]

But if you have a nice fast 64bit machine

Let me fix that for you

But

All Intel/AMD CPUs sold in the past 6 years are 64-bit.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[KingMotley]

That, after all, is a job for Excel

FTFY

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[KingMotley]

I don't see why not. Windows XP 64 supported 8 (DOS)/16 (DOS/Win)/32 (DOS/Win)/64 (Win) bit apps. They only recently dropped support for 16-bit Windows Apps.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[KingMotley]

64-bit isn't just simply faster. It's sometimes/often/usually faster depending on what you do, but it is ALWAYS larger in memory and disk space usage, and plays less well with other applications (Cache size overruns caused by the larger size).

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Dagger2]

XP x64 does not run 16-bit Windows programs. I assume it doesn't run any DOS executables either but I don't have any handy to test with.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[ChunderDownunder]

Only some Atom chips are 64-bit.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[KingMotley]

I stand corrected, you did need to run 16-bit Windows apps/Dos apps inside Virtual PC to get them to run.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Rockoon]

sigh..

Look, the pointer size is only of concern if you are using a lot of pointers..

...but using a lot of pointers negates whatever cache argument that you thought that you had had..

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Rockoon]

i'm pretty sure it would be still be possible to thunk a 16 or 32 bit instruction on a 128 bit processor

Sure, just like its possible to thunk back to 16-bit once in 64-bit mode on AMD64...

...oh wait, it isnt! You dont know what you are talking about.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[KingMotley]

Umm... No, it does not.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

-XXcompressedRefs is your solution to the memory usage delta.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm guessing you aren't a computer scientist. Stick to webdev or sysadmining or whatever you do.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[jd2112]

Yikes, Oracle... had a bad flashback to installing the Oracle client. Cold chills go up my spine whenever I think about it. How could installing that damn client be that painful?????

Removing Oracle is easy compared to Symantec Antivirus.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[ultranova]

So having a page just work without drama is not a solution, while requiring the user to manually close it (hopefully before FF crashes) and not visit it in the future is?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[mrchaotica]

If they have limited resources, then why don't they abandon the 32-bit branch?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Firefox is the worst of the "big name" browsers. I can't believe that they STILL haven't fixed that horrible memory leak and CPU hoarding bug. What a joke, even IE is better now.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

care to share any sources on that?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[CuteSteveJobs]

> I do not, for the life of me, understand why FireFox is so hell-bent on 32-bit versions.

Same here. I've been running Waterfox for some months now on a low-end 64-bit desktop PC. It's very fast, and I've not had any plugin or extension problems. Given what a pig Firefox is for memory (and to be fair Chrome and the other browsers too) if there is one application that should drive 64-bit technology it should be these damned web browsers!

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Long_mode

seems to suggest otherwise, but in any case the operating system can always construct a 64-bit instruction from a 16-bit program instruction. thunking isn't a requirement of the processor itself

you obviously can't thunk a 64-bit instruction to run on a 16-bit processor, but surely you knew i wasn't implying that

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[philip.paradis]

From your citation:

... that do not need to use either real mode or virtual 8086 mode in order to execute at any time ... Real-mode programs and programs that use virtual 8086 mode at any time cannot be run in long mode unless they are emulated in software ...

Speaking as someone who's been writing software since 1988, please enlighten us with more information on your background as a programmer. I strongly suspect the the GP was right in positing that you simply don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

if you want to perform a 16-bit instruction, the operating system converts it to a 64-bit instruction before sending it to the processor... so the processor doesn't even realise its running a 16-bit application... i guess it would be considered part of the "emulated in software" bit of your citation

for "someone who's been writing software since 1988", you don't really have much excuse for not knowing this basic and obvious stuff

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[GuldKalle]

Remove your buggy extensions.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[GuldKalle]

Because a lot of otherwise capable hardware is still 32-bit only?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Billly Gates]

If they have limited resources, then why don't they abandon the 32-bit branch?

1. Too many corps have old software written in 16 bit vb 4 with access 95 that requires the 32-bit versions of Windows 7 and 8 to run. Worse, many consumers use the 32-bit versions of Windows too for no reason at all other than their geek friends thought it would reduce ram usage. Many do not know what 32-bit is and will end up using an unsupported and insecure ancient version of Firefox if they were to drop support.

Windows is the only OS that is not 64-bit only. This is getting ridiculous and like old IE it will then become the problem of the next decade within that ecosystem.

Part of me really wishes MS dropped 32-bit at Vista or at least Windows 7. By still supporting it they are enablers to these corporate users. These corporate users are angry at MS as it is for not being COMPATIBLE ENOUGH. It is turning into a mainframe environment now where it is inflexible to change and consumers are getting used to using 10 year old software and resisting change.

2. Gatorsoft, bonzi buddy, and abunch of corporate crap addons from SAP, Oracle, and other plugins are not supported in 64-bit mode.

I do not know if there is a solution to this as these companies use Firefox because they have to keep IE 6 around as their browser. I guess with 2014 coming perhaps Firefox can drop it for them, but tens of millions if not hundreds use 32-bit versions of Windows. What are you going to do about them? Let them switch to Chrome instead?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[jawtheshark]

Wrong, in the segment that matters, being the models starting with D or N are 64-bit. (D and N stand for Desktop, respectively Netbook) The exception is the N270, one of the first Atoms. Both the 230 and the 330, which don't fit in the current naming scheme, also support 64-bit.
Now granted, the Z and E series Atoms do not all support 64-bit, but they are not intended for 'regular' computers. For example the Soekris net6501 has such an Atom, but that's hardly a machine to be used as a desktop.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[gbjbaanb]

if I had a nail stuck in my arm, I'll (manually) pull it out. You, it seems, would leave it stuck in you and say "its ok, I have another arm".

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Rockoon]

Umm... No, it does not.

Mr Buzzword doesnt know what he is talking about...

The fact that the pointers use an extra 4 bytes is a negligible detail because the L1 caches are huge in relation to those 4 bytes. You would need a very large amount of pointers within the cache to have any sort of measurable effect, so large that following even small percentages of them (why are they in the caches if you arent using them?) will always cause significant L1 thrashing.

But an even harder argument for you to try to refute is that Intel isnt stupid. The cache parameters (total size, line size, number of sets, for each level of cache) are optimized for 64-bit computing on their 64-bit processors. Intel didnt choose a 64 byte L1 line size willy-nilly. Intel didn't choose 32KB of L1 data willy-nilly. Intel didnt choose 8-way set associativity for their L1 willy-nilly.

Now, after you spend a day figuring out what line sizes and set associativity are, and what impact they have, dont bother replying.. because by that point it will just be desperation on your part.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Rockoon]

Intel and AMD are my sources.

Got better ones?

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Rockoon]

if you want to perform a 16-bit instruction, the operating system converts it to a 64-bit instruction before sending it to the processor...

Operating system dont "send instructions to the processors"

Processors FETCH (the actual technical term) instructions from memory themselves, send them through the pipelines themselves, and then execute them themselves.

This is in fact not only how all programs get executed, but also how the operating system itself gets executed.

You are a complete idiot.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[petermgreen]

Windows is the only OS that is not 64-bit only.

bullshit.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[petermgreen]

It depends which 16-bit mode you are talking about.

It IS possible to do 16-bit protected mode (which win16 apps use) while in long mode. Wine has no trouble doing it. MS just couldn't be bothered debugging WOW on top of WOW64 so they left it out.

OTOH it is not possible to do virtual 8086 mode while in long mode.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

I did. I erased Firefox and installed a good web browser.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[mrchaotica]

Look, it's perfectly appropriate that deprecated hardware should run deprecated software. Besides, Mozilla could continue releasing security updates for 32-bit; I just don't think they should waste effort on new features (especially at the expense of 64-bit), that's all.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

I suppose then the next question is what do we all gain by going 64 bit?

Is it worth the effort and costing Firefox all XP users who resent still just under half the market? THey will switch to IE 8 or Chrome.

Until ajax apps use more than 4 gigs of ram I do not see the benefit at all.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh do tell us again hairybrokenrecordtrollfeet. Make sure you never miss any FF article on your righteous crusade to troll every last article about how horrible and evil it is. Or you could just STFU and comment on all the articles for your preferred browser and let all us heathens be. FF is not relevant to you so STFU. The rest of us are fine and no matter how many times you repeat yourself we'll still be fine. If that bugs you, seek professional help.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

64-bit causes flash to crash non stop. Sure wish all the alternative flash plugins were usable since flash is going to plague us all for at least another decade. Clearly Adobe doesn't have the talent or the ability to hire the necessary talent to fix flash. Fuck adobe. They fucking owe us. Flash is not free. It cost us our stability, our free web, our sanity.

We aught to be out in frount of Adobe's main office with picket signs.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows is the only OS that is not 64-bit only.

Stop posting here and go find somewhere else to be flat out wrong. No it's not a minor point it's rather big and well known. It undermines what ever point you were trying to make. -500 your cause, you've done more harm than good. When you pass go, you do so in reverse and loose money. Congrats.

You are way too uninformed to fit in here. That says a LOT because this is Slashdot.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[GNious]

Was using waterfox, but a some plugins refused to work with it, since it isn't firefox by their definition.
Switched back to 32-bit firefox

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[NotBorg]

That's true of any decent compiler targeting x86-64 since all x86-64 processors include SSE2 support. One of the nice things about targeting x86-64 is that you get a nice feature set that you don't have to detect support for at runtime and maintain a multiplicity of code paths to take advantage of features. If you know a feature will be there, it reduces complexity both in source and the compiled output.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

If you'd been paying attention to the last 9 million times the subject came up on Slashdot... maybe then you'd understand? At this point it's not even worth repeating because you'll not get it this time around either.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[hairyfeet]

Anything using any math is a LOT faster on 64bit than on 32bit. I switched to 64bit back in 05 when XP X64 came out (one of MSFT's best OSes, right up there with Win2K and Win 7 in my list of top notch OSes) and even though I didn't have 4Gb at the time you could really tell a difference, I was gaining on average 10%-15% thanks to having the larger registers.

As far as killing 32bit? If MSFT wasn't currently run by retards they would have made ALL versions of Win 7 come with XP Mode VMs and could have killed off 32bit right there, but since everyone hates Win 8 and it looks like we'll sadly get at least one more release under Ballmer before his fat stupid ass gets fired my guess is we'll see a Win 9 "OMG we want to be Apple so bad it hurts, LOVE ME!!" release with 32bit support, because if its one thing we can count on from Steve Ballmer is half assed software.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

if all you can pick on is semantics, then at least you're admitting that the general gist of my argument is correct

i didn't realise i had to explain things to you down to the level of what an instruction pointer is (congratulations you've demostrated as much knowledge as a CS freshman), but thanks anyway dipshit :)

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

i'm talking about a virtualized 16-bit environment

a couple of other guys had trouble grasping that thunking wasn't limited to processor functions (thunking is merely a compatibility layer)

i didn't realize i had to explain every little detail of something so seemingly simple (maybe they read "thunk a 16 or 32 bit instruction on a 128 bit processor" as trying to directly process a 16-bit instruction on a 128-bit processor, which would obviously be problematic, especially with differences in memory mapping etc

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunk_%28compatibility_mapping%29

"Thunk (or thunking) refers to the creation of a 16-bit virtual DOS machine (VDM) within a 32-bit operating platform so that there is backward compatibility for applications using older code or system calls."

perhaps for 16-bit to 128-bit i should have just talked in terms of virtualization from the outset, but honestly i thought people reading might make that connection themselves, one particular reader response claiming to be "someone who's been writing software since 1988"
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42373879

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

please enlighten us with more information on your background as a programmer. I strongly suspect the the GP was right in positing that you simply don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about. philip.paradis (2580427) on Sunday December 23, @03:08AM (#42373879)

Crutchy's been asked that before. His reaction -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3272015&cid=42097505 was having a fit publicly with profanity spewing (but of course, no proof either).

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

LMAO http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42377465

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Hahahahaha http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42377465

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

ROTFLMAO http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42377465

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[KingMotley]

Mr Buzzword doesnt know what he is talking about...

I'm glad you admit you don't know what you are talking about. I wish more people who didn't know would admit it right up front like you did.

The fact that the pointers use an extra 4 bytes is a negligible detail because the L1 caches are huge in relation to those 4 bytes. You would need a very large amount of pointers within the cache to have any sort of measurable effect, so large that following even small percentages of them (why are they in the caches if you arent using them?) will always cause significant L1 thrashing.

The fact that pointers (and anything dealing with size or offset) uses DOUBLE the size, and isn't negligible. It's effectively halving the size of the caches (total size, line size) in terms of the number of pointers/ints that they can contain.

But an even harder argument for you to try to refute is that Intel isnt stupid. The cache parameters (total size, line size, number of sets, for each level of cache) are optimized for 64-bit computing on their 64-bit processors. Intel didnt choose a 64 byte L1 line size willy-nilly. Intel didn't choose 32KB of L1 data willy-nilly. Intel didnt choose 8-way set associativity for their L1 willy-nilly.

I'm not going to refute that, nor is that directly related. However, as a side note that I don't want to get tied up in, I will point out that even Intel isn't flawless in their execution. For example, see their assumption about netburst being scalable to 10GHz and the fallout from that not being correct.

Now, after you spend a day figuring out what line sizes and set associativity are, and what impact they have, dont bother replying.. because by that point it will just be desperation on your part.

You assume too much, based on too little. You don't know me, yet you assume you know what I know. That's a pretty neat trick, and you would be wrong. Let me clarify. I've been performance tuning before you were likely born (based on the average age of the slashdot readers). I've written my own kernels, and I was even in talks with a major company to help them write theirs (Yes, you've definitely heard of them, in fact I'd be surprised if they weren't mentioned at least 10 times in this thread) as they copied/stole some of my concepts for an earlier release of their OS.

That said, I'll leave you world of misconceptions on hypothetical performance tuning and bring you into reality:
Firefox 32-bit ON MY MACHINE, scores 12784 on the V8 benchmark located here: http://v8.googlecode.com/svn/data/benchmarks/v7/run.html
Firefox 64-bit ON MY MACHINE, scores 9874 on the same V8 benchmark.

Obviously Lucy, you've got some 'spaining to do.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Reziac]

I normally use SeaMonkey (as the least obnoxious of the Moz family) but when some website expects yesterday's FF build, I use Palemoon -- the only FF incarnation I can stand. -- Their general memory piggishness seems to be a cache-handling bug, probably a side effect of an hour of use generating 4000 directories and 500 files (not a typo, there are bunches of empty folders) and never cleaning up after either. I found if I clear cache every few minutes, the galloping memory usage doesn't happen.

Good info about the 64bit stuff (in your other post)... I expect that would speed up the media plugins and such.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

all that from the goof who can't backup his words & has fits http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3272015&cid=42097505

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[petermgreen]

The exception is the N270, one of the first Atoms

The N280 is also 32-bit only, so is the ULV celeron used in the original Eee PC. Intel didn't release a 64-bit capable netbook atom* until december 2009.

Now granted, the Z and E series Atoms do not all support 64-bit, but they are not intended for 'regular' computers.

It seems that Z series atoms were intended for "ultra mobile PCs" which afaict were even tinier than netbooks but still ran regular PC operations systems. Afaict ASUS did put a Z series atom in a netbook too.

* 64-bit capable nettop atoms appeared some time before this.

The GPs statement was

"All Intel/AMD CPUs sold in the past 6 years are 64-bit."

This is blatently untrue. Even if we limit it to intel/AMD CPUs in products intended to run a regular windows or "desktop linux" operating system it's STILL blatantly untrue.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[jawtheshark]

Yes, perhaps over that timespan. I was on my cellphone (old skool, using Opera Mini) and researching more would be too much work. For the last few years, all desktop/netbook Atom machines sold are 64-bit. Perhaps not since 6 years. You also forgot the Core CPUs, (not Core 2), which are 32-bit only and some don't even support PAE. That's 2008, so... not even 5 years. So, yes, there are quite a lot of 32-bit CPUs out there.

My main problem is, though that still today people say "Atoms are 32-bit". No they're not, at least not those accessible to end-users and running normal operating systems. That Asus chose to ignore the intended use (Intel positions the Z series as "Internet Devices", which was -in their idea- tablets, set-top boxes, etc...) I'm just tired of hearing "Atoms don't support 64-bit", even though that's completely untrue for any Atom sold today in consumer space.

I fully agree that 32-bit should not be dropped, because way too many useful machines are still 32-bit. The Atom can be bashed in many ways: from my experience it's mainly the chipset and/or integrated graphics that suck, but lack of 64-bit support ain't a problem. (Running a D510 as my parents server just fine with 4GB RAM)

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Billly Gates]

Registers are debatable. If your cache size is double it will slow I/O down to the point where you lose performance. 32bit compilers now have added instructions and other features including other registers recently. They add everything but the extra memory addresses so why upgrade? In 05 the 32bit kernel and runtimes were optimized for the PentiumII mmx2 instructions still. Another reason to leave that dinosaur but people love familiarity enough where they will look at things in Win 7 to hate on purpose and things to love in XP to resist the change.

I read one post earlier that he went back down to XP and never realized how pretty the icons were in it ... puke.

Anyway it makes sense to keep going on 32-bit. Too many of these machines are out htere that wont run it and Firefox will then be blamed again for not supporting them due to poor leadership. You can't win either way.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL @ crutchy the noob http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378243

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Rockoon]

if all you can pick on is semantics, then at least you're admitting that the general gist of my argument is correct

It only seems like semantics because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Give up already noob. You don't know what you speak of http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378243

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Want to laugh at crutchy picking on semantics? Take a read http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378157 . Funniest part is what crutchy bitched about, he did himself, pot calling a kettle black. Just as he's done here now where yourself and other caught him with his pants down.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

right... you must really suck at poker

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

microsoft... i regularly run 16-bit programs on 64-bit using virtual xp mode in win7

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

you have no idea what you're talking about

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

at least i have pants apk... you're just a drooling doofus

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

i found a bug in apk's code... not that it was hard, but it took apk about 2 weeks to find it even after having pointed it out to him multiple times

nobody could convince apk that they are a programmer, not even linus torvalds or bill gates, because apk's a little slow on the uptake and has this kind of god complex that only he truly believes in... poor apk

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

apk is the noob. check out his buggy python code, that can be replaced by a single line of code mind you. a very entertaining douchebag... the troll we love to hate :)

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

you are a fit, apk

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

its funny that i can piss apk off so much that he goes on a posting rampage merely as a result of mentioning his buggy code... classic :)

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

if i said i had been programming device drivers for 20 years and that you could thunk a 128-bit instruction on a 16-bit processor would you believe me? probably not... its pretty hard to recognise a programmer unless you are one yourself, and if a good programmer says something stupid, being a good programmer doesn't make that thing any less stupid

it's probably more useful to judge a post on its merit rather than the supposed qualifications of the poster

apk... don't worry i know you won't comprehend any of this anyway... just nod and keep on licking those windows :)

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[hairyfeet]

Actually you'll probably laugh, but guess what my Win 7 desktop is? Vista Black, the only thing i liked about Vista was the Vista Black without all the see-through crap so I simply found a Basic theme that would give me Vista black and that's on everything.

And again if MSFT wasn't run by retards this could be an easy fix, simply GIVE THE USER CHOICE. You should have the choice in Win 7 to have it in XP Blue, Vista Black, or 7 Aero, and Win 8 should have those options along with 8 Metro. That way YOU could have what YOU liked and I could have what I liked and it wouldn't fucking matter what UI we used, its just a couple of reg switches.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Appears he's laughing at your 15 fails vs. him crutchy http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42381175 by now, I imagine everyone on slashdot's laughing at you after that. I know I am.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Diapers != pants crutchy. That's all you have against this list http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42381175 since you crapped all over yourself against apk 15 or more times.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

His rampage wrecks you 15 or more times crutchy http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42381175 where he also showed you start up your trolling with him calling him a homo projecting your faults onto others and other tantrums you have replete with profanities of yours when you lose to others here in technical debates. You fail.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[lightknight]

*facepalms*

But going to 64-bit on an x86 machine also doubles the number of registers, as well as introduces any number of extra instructions that can speed things up. If you aren't getting a significant speedup with a 64-bit build, then something is usually wrong. Like you are casting to a 64-bit integer, but are still treating it like it's 32-bit.

Plus your benchmarks mean nothing with FireFox -> the people behind the builds have put that much more effort into optimizing it for 32-bit over 64-bit. It's like complaining how much the 64-bit version of Windows XP sucks compared to the 32-bit version -> there's almost no support for the 64-bit version, and it will remain as such until the Mozilla group stops dragging its heels.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[lightknight]

You win the comment of the year award. The tech industry needs to realize that perpetually following or wanting to be Apple is badly damaging all of us. I wonder if it's too hard for them to figure out a design that is not Apple, is them, but one which is clean, pretty, and works.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[lightknight]

Honestly, who isn't running a 64-bit processor these days? Being limited to 4GB of RAM is a bigger issue than "OMG, it's issuing slightly larger instructions on a 4Ghz processor with a 240 GB SSD and 32 GBs of RAM! That's like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 less efficient than a 32-bit instruction, and is so fast that no one even notices!"

I feel like we're playing tug of war with the Windows XP crowd, who still want to run the latest FireFox, but aren't willing to upgrade their 2002 Pentium 4 with 256 MB of RAMBUS RAM, and the 80GB 5400 RPM 'Value" HD, versus everyone else who has moved on.

Seriously, SATA 3 & SSDs. Do not care about the slightly larger instructions, the upgrade to a SSD will do more for IO than 32-bit instructions in FF ever will.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[lightknight]

What? 64-bit image routines chomp 32-bit image routines! This is a known fact! And that's just the beginning!

And it's the fact that memory is limited under 32-bit code to 4 GB of RAM that we really care about. FF moves like a pregnant yack when you have 20 tabs open, and has the memory usage of a 700 lb sumo wrestler at an all you can eat buffet.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[KingMotley]

Yes, you have twice the number of registers in 64-bit, however, there are some performance penalties for using them (prefix ops), and I'm pretty sure that the register renaming that is done really makes that a rather moot point except for the prefix op penalty still applies if you try it. You are going to find a mixed bag of performance characteristics trying to use them unless you are really really careful, and most compilers aren't, and most apps aren't going to hand code assembler to get it right.

Secondly, depending on the use of your ints under 64-bit, either you are extending them to 64-bitness in which case, they will suffer a performance penalty through memory bandwidth (assuming of course, you need to access a serial number of them that extends beyond the line), or you are going to keep them 32-bit, in which case you suffer a performance penalty in the form of a prefix iop in most cases. Now, you usually can offset those performance hits by various means (doing 64-bit arithmatic instead of 2 32-bits, making use of the additional 64-bit registers where the performance gain is greater than the performance hit in using them, etc), but not always.

As I said 5 posts up... 64-bit isn't just simply faster. It's sometimes/often/usually faster depending on what you do, but it is ALWAYS larger in memory and disk space usage, and plays less well with other applications (Cache size overruns caused by the larger size -- and this is for all the caches -- L0 uop cache, L1 memory cache, L2, etc).

Plus your benchmarks mean nothing with FireFox -> the people behind the builds have put that much more effort into optimizing it for 32-bit over 64-bit. It's like complaining how much the 64-bit version of Windows XP sucks compared to the 32-bit version -> there's almost no support for the 64-bit version, and it will remain as such until the Mozilla group stops dragging its heels.

Here you seem to agree, 64-bit isn't just simply faster. While you seem to contend that given the right amount of optimization you CAN make it always faster, it isn't just simple, and I contend that while in most cases it may be, it isn't always true. Now, unless you feel rolling every possible combination of ops and memory access patterns, you aren't going to be able to prove your case, while if you actually read Intel's own documentation on 64-bit performance tuning, you will see that they agree with me.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Sadly, 4GiB isn't really the practical limit of a 32-bit process on Windows. On most systems, it's actually 2GiB because the OS reserves half that space for its own uses. You can set the /3Gb switch and re-claim another gig, but you are still quite limited. Yes, 3 (or even 2) GiB is insanely huge, but guess what? Having 100 tabs open with Ajax running in all of them takes a bunch of memory - unless you want to swap everything to the disk whenever you switch tabs. And then you'd complain that it's slow as molasses. Every other platform has 64-bit builds. Why hold-out on Windows? Stupid plug-ins: that's why. If Adobe gets off its ass, the dam will probably break.

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[crutchy]

you're an idiot, a liar, a noob, a troll... and nobody takes you seriously... ever... regardless of whatever shit you spew... you have no friends here on slashdot apk... you fail

Re:I was using Waterfrox

[Anonymous Coward]

Are ya a loser ya can't stand on yer own instead of friends helping you? Ya lied, trolled, and proved yer a noob where ya criticized him in python coding but made a huge mistake with no indents yerself along with a giant list of fails opposed to the person ya trolled and got your ass pounded 15 times by. Believe me. Nobody takes ya serious crutchy. Yer a known troll and obvious failure here and doubtless in life as well.

It was Slashdot.

[Anonymous Coward]

What should we make them do next?

Is it possible?

[Anonymous Coward]

That a large company with a competing product would pay them money to totally screw their own product up?

Re:Is it possible?

[Anonymous Coward]

probably the same people who paid for all the sucky UIs out there now

Re:64-bit free software

[Anonymous Coward]

What I'd like to see Mozilla bring back is an un-bloated browser.

Same Bugs as Firefox 64-bit

[CritterNYC]

Waterfox is just Firefox built as 64-bit with some compiler switches and a name change (required by trademark guidelines). It's not a fork and there are no additional bug fixes. It has all the bugs that Firefox does when compiled as a 64-bit binary. You're far better off sticking with Firefox 32-bit which works just fine under 64-bit Windows.

Re:Same Bugs as Firefox 64-bit

[Anonymous Coward]

It has all the bugs that Firefox does when compiled as a 64-bit binary.

Out of curiosity, which bugs are those? I've seen bugs in FF (such as the well known memory leaks), but they never seemed to be 64 bit specific.

I've been running the 64 bit firefox for, gosh... I don't even know. 8 or 10 years?

$ file /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/lib/firefox/firefox: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24

Re:Same Bugs as Firefox 64-bit

[Anonymous Coward]

It has all the bugs that Firefox does when compiled as a 64-bit binary.

Out of curiosity, which bugs are those? I've seen bugs in FF (such as the well known memory leaks), but they never seemed to be 64 bit specific.

I've been running the 64 bit firefox for, gosh... I don't even know. 8 or 10 years?

$ file /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/lib/firefox/firefox: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24

I don't know if this link will work but you can also search to see the 64 bit bugs (some of which also affect x86): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=firefox+64+bit

64-bit Opera working smoothly

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm running the 64-bit version of Opera on Windows. And while it allows for 32-bit plug-ins, I've ditched all 32-bit stuff, and went for 64-bit only. Well, that boils down to 64-bit flash and 64-bit Java (I've plug-ins run on demand only, so security issues are limited). It works very well, and gives a nice 10+% speedbonus. I see very little reason to stick with 32 bit. In fact, they should make 64 bit the default, and treat the 32-bit versions as the outcast instead.

Re:64-bit Opera working smoothly

[Cinder6]

Agreed. Opera works just fine with 32-bit plugins, though at this point there's little point to run them anymore. My setup is similar to yours.

Now with extra hyperbole

[Anonymous Coward]

/. Story when turned off: "turned off for now" /. Story now: "...never see the light of day"

Next story on /. : 64-bit Firefox sent to concentration camp.

Cancel 32-bit on 4-21-2014

[Billly Gates]

This will coincide with XP ending support which is the last holdout.

If Mozilla does not want to double the work then just focus on 64-bit. Besides a few Vista users who went to 7, I do not know anyone who uses the 32-bit version. Usually they tell me some driver or piece of software is not compatible. Most cases running it in XP mode is better nowdays and by 2014 that hardware will very old!

Maybe release the long term version on that day as the last 32 bit version for 1 year? By 2015 no one should be running 32 bit XP software or operating systems anymore. I mean enough is enough!

Re:Cancel 32-bit on 4-21-2014

[Anonymous Coward]

by 2014 that hardware will very old!

the specs and requirements hasn't changed for MOST applications and tasks since late 2006 (coincides with vista oem release). even the next version of desktop windows is expected to have similar requirements... a dual core athlon from 2006-7 with 2-4gb ram is enough for most people (hard core gamers, 3d graphics artists, and engineers are not 'most people').... and is about the same speed as lower-end desktops today (some "new' ones are actually slower). age of hardware, alone, is not an indicator of a computer's usefulness or speed.

and btw.. it's april 8, 2014 for winxp, not april 21.. got your doomsdays mixed up, me thinks.

Re:Cancel 32-bit on 4-21-2014

[clarkn0va]

By 2015 no one should be running 32 bit XP software or operating systems anymore. I mean enough is enough!

MS is way ahead of you on that point.

Firefox developers ignores negative feedback

[Anonymous Coward]

See extension breaking, status bar removal, tabs on bottom option removal, bugs unsolved for a decade etc. Pretty soon it will be firefox depicted as eating the glue.

Oracle is amazing

[Anonymous Coward]

Oracle messing things up is NOT amazing. It's their default, at least when it comes to Java. What IS amazing is how good they are at messing things up.

Re:Oracle is amazing

[Billly Gates]

Too bad many of my clients have Cisco connect which only works with java 1.4.2 and IE 6/7 or some $1,000,0000 ERP abomination-ware tied to Oracle financials that only work on Java 1.4.2, not java 1.4.1, not java 1.4.3, but java 1.4.2.

These machines need to keep being reimaged from infections and as a result can't leave XP or IE 7 behind. Sometimes Firefox works believe it or not in quirks mode with these old java releases. The new ones are not compatible as they follow w3c and not the corporate standards MS/Oracle use.

I swear Oracle loves obsolete software and are doing this on purpose in order to make MS look bad and cost them revenue.

Re:Oracle is amazing

[davester666]

They also write crappy software, but they make it so it only runs on old OSes, so they can blame that vendor for any problems you have.

Accountability = None

[Stonefish]

It's good to see that someone is being held accountable here. Benjamin Smedberg creates a shitload of negative publicity, pisses off a proportion of dedicated testers and he:
A. Gets a promotion
B. Is removed from positions of responsibility because he demonstrates poor judgement
C. Nothing happens
D. Gets a pay increase.

Answer = C
Come on guys at least make him wear a T shirt for a month that says, I must not override the recommendations of others in relation to 64 bit builds.
One of the key problems in organisations is that people aren't held accountable for poor judgement, or at least a running sheet is not maintained. Ben will probably continue to be promoted even through he has demonstrated that he has a fundamental lack of connection with what end users want. There is obviously something wrong occurring in the firefox mozilla groupthink and yet nothing is being done.

Re:Accountability = None

[Tailhook]

There is obviously something wrong occurring in the firefox mozilla groupthink and yet nothing is being done.

That's the feeling I have as well. I don't use 32 bit desktops any longer. Actually haven't consistently used a 32 bit desktop in four years. To somehow not be aware of the behavior of real users is a huge fail.

And lets not indulge anymore '64 bits isn't necessary' tripe. People that don't understand why key software must adopt the native ISA of a system and avoid backward compatibility kludges need to stop talking about this.

Anyhow, I just upgraded my main personal desktop hardware and reinstalled my retail Win 7 OS, in addition to Linux. I installed Firefox out of habit but I haven't bothered to reacquire my usual cohort of extensions... I don't use it anymore. Chrome is superior in every way, with the sole exception that noscript is better than scriptno.

Mozilla is repeating Netscape history. Then as now, leadership is the problem.

Re:Accountability = None

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't use 32 bit desktops any longer. Actually haven't consistently used a 32 bit desktop in four years. To somehow not be aware of the behavior of real users is a huge fail.

You are aware that Internet Explorer and Opera are the only major browsers that have actually released 64-bit builds for Windows, right?

All Chrome offers is "Neither Chromium nor V8 has a 64-bit version on the Windows platform right now. However, Chrome does run on 64-bit Windows as a 32-bit application." At least Mozilla is making builds available, even if they aren't formally supported.

Re:Accountability = None

[Tridus]

Mozilla's management has their heads in their asses, and has had them up there for quite a while. They've made a very length list of poor decisions in recent memory.

Re:Accountability = None

[Kjella]

That's the feeling I have as well. I don't use 32 bit desktops any longer. Actually haven't consistently used a 32 bit desktop in four years. To somehow not be aware of the behavior of real users is a huge fail. (...) I don't use [Firefox] anymore. Chrome is superior in every way

I think they know their users perfectly, even slashdotters seem to be clueless that they're running 32 bit software under their 64 bit OS.

Re:Still using 32-bit in 2012 is *insane*.

[Billly Gates]

32-bit for desktop systems is outdated since more than a decade ago, and a complete anachronism for everything except backwards Windows. But even Windows caught up five years ago.

Somehow I have the feeling that the hostility of the closed and primitive Windows platform locks Windows developers in some kind of mental box, that causes them to be very limited in their thinking, when it comes to how to approach developing things or moving to 64-bit for example.
I mean, the damn thing doesn't even have a package manager. (No, Windows Installer doesn't even remotely count.)

Difference is the win32 environment is not free. As a result customers tend to hang on to old obsolete systems. As a result older incompatible and backwards operating systems still need to be supported like Windows 98. If you use dos like stuff in your windows 98 that is also compatible with XP, then it probably wont run on 7/8. Unless you run the 32-bit version of course. You couldn't have just made it XP compatible only in 2006 (the version most customers use) as people still had win98.

Linux doesn't have this problem. Or the opposite. It is free so who cares? Just re-invent the wheel every 3 years etc. In the real world where people care about results Windows does the job as it just works, is tested, not to mention people need software to get work done. That is not free my friend. So compatibility like what I described is a clusterfuck. Firefox 32-bit is needed as many use obsolete java plugins to use their expensive and shitty Oracle ERP.

It has nothing to do with developers being retarded and an inferior operating system. It is the economic reality in this new economy that new software must run on old platforms which hinder it, likewise many people want to run old software on newer systems too.

If Gnome 1.x was $120 with all the libraries and apis, and the linux kernel costs $50, you bet your ass Redhat 6.2 (its golden version) would be like XP today and millions would still use it. Why? Software would only work with that or the other and would be a pain to upgrade and expensive! Sorry but commercial software wont be made if it is free. If developers wont get paid they will seek other occupations and users would not be able to get work done.

32-bit is insecure

[r00t]

Haven't these people heard of ASLR and heap spraying Do they not understand the concepts?

Without 64-bit, you have two huge security problems. The first is that there simply isn't enough address space to randomize well. Attackers can guess things. They guess right often enough that the effort is worthwhile. The second huge security problem is that the address space is easy to fill with code-equivalent data for a ROP attack. Actually, with Firefox you could even use real code!

Using a 32-bit browser in 2012 is kind of insane. It's near-complete security FAIL.

Re:32-bit is insecure

[r00t]

IE 9 is 32-bit by default and has all of this ... 32 bit can be compiled for all of this as well.

Not really!

Security depends on random numbers. 64-bit systems generally provide enough to be effective, while 32-bit systems do not.

If I ask you to guess a number that I have picked, would you rather the range be 1 to 100 or maybe 1 to 100 million? You can reliably guess one of those if you try for a bit, but the other is kind of hopeless.

Re:32-bit is insecure

[kthreadd]

IE 9 defaults to 32 bit due to compatibility concerns with third party plugins.

Re:32-bit is insecure

[Anonymous Coward]

Agreed, which is why I use Chrome, or Internet Explorer 9 64 bit (and I.E. 10 on personal machines).

Re:32-bit is insecure

[Anonymous Coward]

IE10 does not.

Re:32-bit is insecure

[detain]

isnt chrome 32bit only ?

Re:32-bit is insecure

[Anonymous Coward]

I wouldn't even have bothered with this article were it not for your comment on the RSS Feed.
ASLR is the very definition of Security via Obscurity

Re:32-bit is insecure

[lister king of smeg]

Maybe he meant chromium?

Re:32-bit is insecure

[Anonymous Coward]

Without 64-bit, you have two huge security problems.

No. You have a greater potential for >>bugs<< being exploitable. ASLR and heap spraying only help if your software has a particular class of bug. It's a fall back that should not happen in the first place. You should fix those bugs rather than saying "fuck it we got a sandbox."

"Should we look at our source with static analysis tools and such? Naw dog, fuck it. We'll wait on ASLR to generate crash reports for us and fix the problem if enough of or paying customers (aka guinea pigs and canaries) bitch about the crashing. We'll sandbox our sandboxes before we actually look at our shit code." Great plan.

The only time a sandbox should be a way of life is when you can't fix the bugs.

Re:32-bit is insecure

[r00t]

The only time a sandbox should be a way of life is when you can't fix the bugs.

Even if you had a hyper-intelligent alien life form to write bug-free code, the attacker still has a chance. We're running the code on hardware without ECC RAM or even parity bits. Every now and then, the code will jump to the wrong address. It happens.

We aren't even using Ada.

Re:64-bit? Bah

[sedmonds]

And by the year after that, they'll need 128-bit just for the firefox version number.

Never happened

[gfody]

I've been using 64bit nightly since the idea of dropping the builds was mentioned in bz. There was a big debate and a bunch of tech news sites picked up the story and now the latest is that they're being "restored". But the 64bit nightly builds never stopped! I'm sure this story is just to get everyone to STFU about it already.

Re:Never happened

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, they stopped showing up on https://nightly.mozilla.org/ , but they never stopped building them as you've correctly asserted, as you could still get them at https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/

Why did they cancel it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't most Windows computers (and I'd imagine all mainstream) support 64-bit now?

(Disclaimer: Mac user here - I haven't purchased a Windows machine in a long time)

Re:Why did they cancel it?

[Shimbo]

Don't most Windows computers (and I'd imagine all mainstream) support 64-bit now?

Most processors do but typically XP is 32-bit. Given it has a huge market share for such an old OS, one might guess say 30% of machines. According to Steam survey Windows 7 (32-bit) 14%, XP (32-bit) 10%, and that's gamers.

Call me when it's mainstream

[Dunge]

As long as it's not the default version, it's not worth mentioning.

Re:Firefox developers ignores negative feedback

[ColdWetDog]

See extension breaking, status bar removal, tabs on bottom option removal, bugs unsolved for a decade etc. Pretty soon it will be firefox depicted as eating the glue.

I don't think Firefox developers have been eating the glue.

They've been snorting it.

Re:32-bit is just as secure

[Billly Gates]

IE 10 32-bit has ASLR and heap spraying protection sandboxing right in. I think Chrome does as well but someone can correct me on this if I am wrong. Infact, the only thing Windows 7 64-bit has that the 32-bit does not is signed bootloaders and drivers to prevent rootkits.

ASLR has been part of 32-bit operating systems for years since Vista.

If someone knows the ram address of a particular dll they can target it anyway with a poke regardless of the bitness. You can still spray on a 64 bit system as well. It just will take longer but can gradually compromise it. THe best defense is a patched OS with a sandboxed browser to prevent the attack from evening happening. Thankfully with ASLR this can of attack is useless except on those with XP as ram addresses constantly change.

Re:64-bit free software

[crutchy]

what's your name?
<br><br>
...just so i know never to hire you as a programmer (or a mathematician, engineer, physicist, etc)

Re:Still using 32-bit in 2012 is *insane*.

[Anonymous Coward]

Difference is the win32 environment is not free. As a result customers tend to hang on to old obsolete systems. As a result older incompatible and backwards operating systems still need to be supported like Windows 98. If you use dos like stuff in your windows 98 that is also compatible with XP, then it probably wont run on 7/8. Unless you run the 32-bit version of course. You couldn't have just made it XP compatible only in 2006 (the version most customers use) as people still had win98.

Linux doesn't have this problem. Or the opposite. It is free so who cares? Just re-invent the wheel every 3 years etc. In the real world where people care about results Windows does the job as it just works, is tested, not to mention people need software to get work done. That is not free my friend. So compatibility like what I described is a clusterfuck. Firefox 32-bit is needed as many use obsolete java plugins to use their expensive and shitty Oracle ERP.

It has nothing to do with developers being retarded and an inferior operating system. It is the economic reality in this new economy that new software must run on old platforms which hinder it, likewise many people want to run old software on newer systems too.

If Gnome 1.x was $120 with all the libraries and apis, and the linux kernel costs $50, you bet your ass Redhat 6.2 (its golden version) would be like XP today and millions would still use it. Why? Software would only work with that or the other and would be a pain to upgrade and expensive! Sorry but commercial software wont be made if it is free. If developers wont get paid they will seek other occupations and users would not be able to get work done.

So Windows "just works" as long as you keep begging Open Source developers to support your legacy crap. Sounds like you need Firefox more than Firefox needs you. If you're not willing to keep paying to upgrade Windows forever you shouldn't have bought it in the first place.

Re:Still using 32-bit in 2012 is *insane*.

[Anonymous Coward]

Difference is the win32 environment is not free. As a result customers tend to hang on to old obsolete systems. As a result older incompatible and backwards operating systems still need to be supported like Windows 98. If you use dos like stuff in your windows 98 that is also compatible with XP, then it probably wont run on 7/8. Unless you run the 32-bit version of course. You couldn't have just made it XP compatible only in 2006 (the version most customers use) as people still had win98.

Linux doesn't have this problem. Or the opposite. It is free so who cares? Just re-invent the wheel every 3 years etc. In the real world where people care about results Windows does the job as it just works, is tested, not to mention people need software to get work done. That is not free my friend. So compatibility like what I described is a clusterfuck. Firefox 32-bit is needed as many use obsolete java plugins to use their expensive and shitty Oracle ERP.

It has nothing to do with developers being retarded and an inferior operating system. It is the economic reality in this new economy that new software must run on old platforms which hinder it, likewise many people want to run old software on newer systems too.

If Gnome 1.x was $120 with all the libraries and apis, and the linux kernel costs $50, you bet your ass Redhat 6.2 (its golden version) would be like XP today and millions would still use it. Why? Software would only work with that or the other and would be a pain to upgrade and expensive! Sorry but commercial software wont be made if it is free. If developers wont get paid they will seek other occupations and users would not be able to get work done.

So Windows "just works" as long as you keep begging Open Source developers to support your legacy crap. Sounds like you need Firefox more than Firefox needs you. If you're not willing to keep paying to upgrade Windows forever you shouldn't have bought it in the first place.

With Windows you do not have to beg open source developers. Yep, the corps pay MS so they can whine to keep support going. Yes, they want this right so they can save money by not upgrading every freakin 6 months when Ubuntu has a new release.

That legacy crap makes them money.

waterfox

[bobjr94]

Have been using Waterfox for some time now, has been great. Features less bloat and fewer annoyances then has been making it's way into the 32 bit releases of firefox.

Re:32-bit is just as secure

[r00t]

IE 10 32-bit has ASLR and heap spraying protection sandboxing right in.

It barely works. There simply isn't enough address space to make it effective. This is like having a door using a 1-pin lock instead of a 7-pin lock. Picking a 1-pin lock is trivial.

You can still spray on a 64 bit system as well.

You can't usefully spray on a 64-bit system. To be useful, your spraying needs to cover a significant portion of the address space. (else you are unlikely to hit it when you trigger the bug) It also can't require more memory than the system has, and it can't need to run for months.

Re:64-bit? Bah

[niftymitch]

That means Firefox will still be limited to 4 PiB, which I'm sure it'll be reaching by the release of Firefox 12,458 next year. We need a 128-bit version.

Naw... it is two things. Cleaner code and the lack of 32bit library cruft in a system. However plugins like flash and even Java32-.vs.-Java64 make me think that well flash is crud and Java not as portable as it should/could be.

Re:64-bit free software

[ThatsMyNick]

What I would like to see is the web go back to geocities. Websites never consumed any significant resources, RAM/CPU consumption was most likely due to a bug, than website (like Slashdot) itself consuming it.

Waterfox

[binarybum]

Good news. Even if it doesn't result in 64 bit final products soon it should provide more material for the Waterfox project to develop upon. As long is there is developer support from Firefox for the 64bit the onus is on the developer advocats of 64bit computing to prove that it can show a significant enough performance enhancement to be taken seriously and pushed to mainstream.

Re:64-bit free software

[Anonymous Coward]

You say that as if you had the power to hire anyone. And no, I don't mean at some insignificant "small business".

I've never seen a 32 bit Vista, 7, or 8 installed

[msobkow]

While I realize that there are theoretically 32 bit versions of Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8 available, I have never seen one installed on a system. For the Mozilla team to say there will "never" be a 64-bit build for Windows is an asinine and bass-ackwards approach to maintaining compatibility with the OS.

If it's the plugin-providers causing the problem, then they deserve as much "Boo Hiss" as Mozilla does.

Let's try to keep up with the times. 64-bit Windows has been stable and standard for years!

Re:64-bit? Bah

[Anonymous Coward]

the java interpreter is portable, the optimizing byte-code profile/compiler from oracle must be adapted to each architecture. IBM JVM was designed from start with speed and portability in mind. But it is closed source... There is hope that project Zero/Shark will produce a portable byte-code compiler.

Re:64-bit free software

[crutchy]

no actually i say it as if the op is a clueless moron

Re:64-bit? Bah

[fast turtle]

flash has been full 64bit on Win7 for at least a year. As to Java, Don't need it, don't care, don't use it. It's that simple. I keep trying to tell my idiot nephew that JavaScript is NOT Java but he doesn't listen. The worst of it is, he doesn't even have any java apps that depend on the crap but thinks he needs it for some stinking websites. Oh well, he doesn't give a damn if his sytem gets infected and someone wipes his entire pron collection until it happens. Then he'll listen but that's closing the damn barn door after the critters already escaped.

Re:64-bit? Bah

[Anonymous Coward]

Then use Waterfox (http://www.waterfoxproject.org/)

Re:I've never seen a 32 bit Vista, 7, or 8 install

[BZ]

> For the Mozilla team to say there will "never" be a
> 64-bit build for Windows

Which is something no one at Mozilla ever said. But don't bother reading what they actually said, just read the lies lazy reporters spouted instead.

What Benjamin said is that there are no plans to ship a final 64-bit product in the next several months.

Re:64-bit? Bah

[lokedhs]

Actually, that would be 16 EB. You were off by 4 orders of magnitude.

Don't care

[Anonymous Coward]

Got tired of the constant changes and left Firefox for Chrome long time ago. Too bad too, as I had used FF since Phoenix and enjoyed it - now it just annoys me.

Captcha is 'vetoed' - heh.

Re:Don't care

[Elbart]

So you switched to Chrome, which is constantly changing, because you hated that Firefox was constantly changing. Gotcha.

Yeah but how about

[Anonymous Coward]

Okay, Firefox 64bit lives a another day.... But I am not interested about that, I want to know how about day after tomorrow? How about year after tomorrow?

Re:I've never seen a 32 bit Vista, 7, or 8 install

[Luckyo]

1. XP is still one of the most popular if not the most popular OS in the world. 64-bit XP on the other hand is non-existent.
2. 32-bit vista and seven were used quite a lot in older computers that had less then 4GB of RAM. I have a netbook bought a couple of years ago that caps at 2GB that uses 32-bit seven for example. It works fine.

Re:32-bit is just as secure

[Billly Gates]

I am not a kernel level programmer here. Assuming a theoretical situation requires a theoretical application to gain that advantage. In other words, 2 TB of ram it would be harder to crack. But I do not have this nor does anyone outside of advanced servers usage.

Since only the most powerful servers have it I see it as offering no real advantage. XP users use PAE to go around the 4 gig limit hack anyway. So if I had 4 gigs of ram it would not matter if the OS is 32-bit or 64-bit. The memory addresses would be the same. If I had 8 gigs of ram I would have it extended if I ran XP with PAE so I would have an identical amount of memory addresses in either case.

That argument does not hold water. THe bitness doesn't matter as much as much as the code to implement all of the above. As it has been pointed out there are no real 64-bit browsers. IE has a 64 bit build just like Office but does not support it.

The security is made by the browser/OS with the code programmed in and it is independent as Chrome has heap protection at 32-bit as well. Unless of course the hack does get through then that 2 TB of ram will help :-)

"Plugins not working" is a feature

[iamacat]

Either make a portable website that works on every computer or mobile device users have. Or make a native app which, if your wish, can make extensive use of server-based HTML while still incorporating your "plugin" code. But exposing users to overhead, crashes and security issues of your custom code when your application is NOT running is indefensible.

Re:32-bit is just as secure

[r00t]

So if I had 4 gigs of ram it would not matter if the OS is 32-bit or 64-bit.

Yes it would. The amount of physical RAM has nothing to do with this issue. The "P" in PAE stands for "physical", which only matters to the hardware and the OS kernel. A 32-bit app will never be able to see more than 4 GB, even if you have PAE or a 64-bit OS.

On a 32-bit system, every process gets a 4 GB address space. (the OS may steal 1 or 2 GB) You may have only 512 MB of RAM installed, or you may have 16 GB of RAM installed, but every process still sees 4 GB. If the process uses more memory than the amount of RAM, the OS will cheat by swapping. If the computer has more than 4 GB of RAM, you can only use the extra by running multiple processes.

On a 64-bit system, every process gets... a ridiculous amount of address space. (and again the OS may steal half) Every process gets this amount of space even if you only have 512 MB of RAM. The process could actually use all the space if you had a big enough swap file, but this isn't needed from a security perspective. For security, the idea is to scatter memory allocations around in a huge area so that the attacker can not guess where they are. If anything, the fact that you don't have enough swap file space to actually use the address space is good; it means that the attacker can't fill it with something that will help him.

On normal PC hardware, the attacker's job becomes at least tens of thousands of times more difficult with a 64-bit app. Because of the way attacks work, the difficulty factor is often squared. (they need to make two correct guesses) The attack becomes darn near impossible.

Emperor has no clothes?

[Anonymous Coward]

In a word. Who cares? They went from a browser that was fun to use and had a minimal footprint to a browser full of bells and whirligigs that pretty much nobody uses. Their current browser stutters and hangs on every operating system I have run it in. This dog don't hunt anymore. I think its time for them to just throw in the towel over the complete mess they created. @Mozilla you guys really screwed the pooch on your ego tripping with Firefox.

'CruTcHy' - tell us about indenting Python code

[Anonymous Coward]

Crutchy did you say this? "python relies on left indentation" here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126245 ?

Ok - Then, where's yours here then http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41091833 ?

* LMAO... see subject-line!

APK

P.S.=> Poor little 'CruTcHy' (lmao) - burnt by his own words and stupidity, as per his usual...

... apk

Re:'CruTcHy' - tell us about indenting Python code

[crutchy]

poor little apk... full of stupidity, as per his usual

btw... fixed that bug yet noob?

or better yet... seen the light and dumped it altogether for the much more efficient (and bug free) one line equivalent i gave you?

Re:'CruTcHy' - tell us about indenting Python code

[Anonymous Coward]

Saw your post history. 4 hours of fail replies (you) against this http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42381291 crutchy? Apk sure got you going didn't he.

'CruTcHy' = a "pot calling a kettle black" noob

[Anonymous Coward]

Crutchy did you say this? "python relies on left indentation" here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126245 ?

Ok - Then, where's yours here then http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41091833 ?

* LMAO... see subject-line!

APK

P.S.=> Poor little 'CruTcHy' (lmao) - burnt by his own words and stupidity, as per his usual...

... apk

Re:32-bit is just as secure

[petermgreen]

Since only the most powerful servers have it I see it as offering no real advantage. XP users use PAE to go around the 4 gig limit hack anyway. So if I had 4 gigs of ram it would not matter if the OS is 32-bit or 64-bit. The memory addresses would be the same. If I had 8 gigs of ram I would have it extended if I ran XP with PAE so I would have an identical amount of memory addresses in either case.

Leaving aside the fact that recent desktop versions of 32-bit windows (starting with XP SP2) are gimped to only allow 4GB of physical address space even when in PAE mode it's not physical addresses that matter for this attack, it's how the size of VIRTUAL address space compares with the amount of ram.

Suppose that the hacker has an exploit that lets him make the program run some bytecode from a address he specifies without applying security checks to it but can't find out before running the exploit where anything is in memory.

In a 32-bit app there is 2-4GB of usable virtual address space and modern systems have enough ram to map all of that virtual address space to memory. So a malicious script can fill a significant proportion of the virtual address space with it's crap and hence even with randomised addressing there can be a good chance of hitting a copy of the sprayed code when the CPU jumps to a fixed memory address.

In a 64-bit app running on current "64-bit"* PCs there is 140TB of virtual address space. No system on the market has enough ram to map more than a tiny fraction of this to memory. Therefore even if the attacker sprays enough copies of his code to fill physical memory he will still have only covered a tiny proportion of the apps virtual address space. If virtual addresses are randomised** then the exploit code is unlikely to hit a copy of the sprayed code when it jumps to a fixed memory address.

* Current "64-bit" PCs only have a 48 bit virtual address space and half of that is reseved for OS use leaving a 47 bit address space for apps.
** There is nothing that requires virtual addresses to have any correspondence to physical addresses. It's perfectly feasible to have a virtual address much higher than the highest physical address.

LMAO @ 'CruTcHy' the NOOB... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Crutchy did you say this? "python relies on left indentation" here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126245 ?

(Yes, you did...)

Ok - Then, where's yours here then http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41091833 ?

* LMAO... see subject-line!

APK

P.S.=> Poor little 'CruTcHy' (lmao) - burnt by his own words and stupidity, as per his usual:

"for "someone who's been writing software since 1988", you don't really have much excuse for not knowing this basic and obvious stuff" - by crutchy (1949900) on Sunday December 23, @04:49AM (#42374077)

Well "Mr. 'pot calling a kettle black'"?

I wouldn't talk, especially after the above, & the fact others here showed you don't even REALIZE processors FETCH instructions out of memory -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

LMAO... you utter fool & NOOB - you really ARE a damned noob!

Hilarious!

... apkb

Re:LMAO @ 'CruTcHy' the NOOB... apk

[crutchy]

"Then, where's yours here"
refer here: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41117989

"others here showed you don't even REALIZE processors FETCH instructions out of memory"... no they didn't... they merely demonstrated a rather primitive level of knowledge
refer here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42377303

i know this is a pointless waste of time as you will neither read nor comprehend any of this and will continue your also pointless rampage of idiodic ranting, but i do like the thought of getting you all wound up :)

cheers "apkb"

"Pretty sure", 'CruTcHy'? We ARE sure

[Anonymous Coward]

That you are a noob and pot calling a kettle black, here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378243

Re:"Pretty sure", 'CruTcHy'? We ARE sure

[crutchy]

referring to yourself in the third person is another sign of madness, apk... keep going though :)

Re:"Pretty sure", 'CruTcHy'? We ARE sure

[Anonymous Coward]

crutchy. you having delusions of being a psychiatric pro again?

Re:I've never seen a 32 bit Vista, 7, or 8 install

[yuhong]

AFAIK, I once tried 64-bit Win7 on my system with only 1.5GB of RAM, but decided to move back to 32-bit when I had to reinstall, and is what I am running right now.

'CruTcHy' & his "greatest hits" (lol, fails)

[Anonymous Coward]

'CruTcHy' & his "greatest hits" (lol, fails is more like it, vs. myself, 10x++ here on /.):

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1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113

2.) Again: IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41052117

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11,) CruTcHy says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

---

* You FAIL 'CruTcHy' you noob, & 10x++ vs. myself (& there's more than that, but that will do for now, lol).

APK

P.S.=> 'CruTcHy' -> http://preview.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content_2010_12_04__14_55_54/krusty2.jpg77ff0be1-1495-4461-ad17-20a3f3e20b88Larger.jpg - face

'CruTcHy' & his "greatest hits" (lol, fails)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) Again: IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41052117

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in com

The source of 'CruTcHy' & his "FruStrAtioN"?

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well i

You're a FAIL 'CruTcHy' vs. me (15++ times)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well i

'CruTcHy' & his "greatest hits" (not) vs. myse

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well i

#1 & 4 show QUITE otherwise, 'CruTcHy' (lol)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 199

Funny I knew that LONG before you did

[Anonymous Coward]

http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803

Also? As the "icing on the cake" here?? There IS that list of your "FAILS" vs. myself here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42381067

* LMAO - 'CruTcHy', I must ask: How does the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" taste spiced with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH too?

APK

P.S.=> This? Well... you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, as-is-per-my-own "inimitable style":

THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & is every single time (see 'CruTcHy' fail list above), vs. this troll crutchy...

... apk

Re:Funny I knew that LONG before you did

[crutchy]

re: "This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & is every single time"

you have no idea... but your attitude is what makes your bullshit soentertaining :)

You made that mistake & MANY more, lol

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then

'CruTcHy' with his pants down 15++ times

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then

'CruTcHy' knows what he's talking about? NOT

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then

"CruTcHy"'s truly "greatest hits" (lol, 15 fails)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL IN DIAPERS, noob)...

13.) 'CruTcHy' was asked to PROVE HIS WORDS that he is a professional programmer... did he? No. He had a "fit" instead (lol) - see here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3272015&cid=42097505

14.) 'CruTcHy' also likes to call others "homo" (clearly "projecting" his OWN 'StrAnGe-TasTes' (lol)) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41051811 (where he was obviously 'FruStRatEd' by all the defeats above vs. mys

Only thing you do "regularly", is FAIL (lol)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

12.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL IN DIAPERS, noob)...

13.) 'CruTcHy' was asked to PROVE HIS WORDS that he is a professional programmer... did he? No. He had a "fit" instead (lol) - see here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3272015&cid=42097505

14.) 'CruTcHy' also likes to call others "homo" (clearly "projecting" his OWN 'StrAnGe-TasTes' (lol)) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41051811 (where he was obviously 'FruStRatEd' by all the defeats above vs. mys

"CruTcHy"'s truly "Greatest HITS" (15 fails, lol)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

12.) '

"CruTcHy's" truly 'greatest hits' (15 fails)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

12.) '

We're VERY SURE you FAILED (15x 'CruTcHy', lol)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

12.) '

I'm talking about YOUR 15 fails, 'CruTcHy' (lol)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' BLEW IT on the print statement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41085803 (yes, I proved I was well aware of it, but unlike 'CruTcHy' , google-boy/googler? I do my OWN work & write my own inlined code vs. function call overheads & control actually - same reason I didn't use BDE or SQLite - I did the work, myself, perfectly!)

5.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

6.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

7.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

8.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

9.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

10.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

11.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

12.) '

15 sources of 'CruTcHy' failing... lol!

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

5.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

6.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

7.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

8.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

9.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

10.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

11.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL IN DIAPERS, noob ->

'CruTcHy'? You didn't give me a damn thing

[Anonymous Coward]

I knew of it, LONG ago, before you ever noted it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41203063 So keep telling your lies, 'CruTcHy'...

* It's YOUR funeral here, not mine!

APK

P.S.=> Especially (lmao) after this list of YOUR 15 utter FAILS, vs. myself here on this website, since you've been trolling me -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42381135

If you want to FAIL? Be like 'CruTcHy'

[Anonymous Coward]

15 times in a row, 'CruTcHy' is the MASTER of failure -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42381509 LMAO...

APK

P.S.=> He only brought that list on himself...

... apk

'CruTcHy' & his "greatest hits" (lol, fails)

[Anonymous Coward]

"you're an idiot, a liar, a noob, a troll..." - by crutchy (1949900) on Wednesday December 26, @08:49PM (#42400439)

Shall we SEE who the liar, noob, & troll is 'CruTcHy'? Ok:

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

5.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

6.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

7.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

8.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

9.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

10.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

11.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in res

Re:'CruTcHy' & his "greatest hits" (lol, fails

[crutchy]

wow! that you went to such effort to put together all that bullshit indicates i must have really hit a nerve... the truth hurts apk, your poor pathetic sod

'CruTcHy' & his "greatest hits" (15 fails)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

5.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITTED hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

6.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

7.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

8.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

9.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

10.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

11.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL IN DIAPERS, noob ->

"CruTcHy's" truly 'greatest hits' (15 fails)

[Anonymous Coward]

1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

5.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITS hosts files are usefull (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

6.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

7.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, >b?which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

8.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

9.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

10.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

11.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL

'CruTcHy' is "ReAcTiNg" to his 15 fails, lol

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1.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't know that PYTHON requires left indentation -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42378113 (yet said I needed to do that? Please... talk about "pot calling a kettle black", lol!). He doesn't even CODE Python, and claimed to have "debugged it" himself? He used an online debugger (on code that /. formatting messed up on a paste that ran perfectly, see #2 next).

2.) IF my program has a "bug", how come it ran PERFECTLY here, 5x in a row vs. trolls like yourself + 100's of times BEFORE that too, vs. your "trollspeak/trollanguage", 'CruTcHy'... Hmmm?? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42259605

3.) 'CruTcHy' conceded memory usage with loaded data (where first you criticized me for it & withdrew it) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126057 (yet he says he "codes Delphi"... on THAT note? See #12 below also, lol!) and *tried* to say he'd edit a large custom hosts file vs. duplicates by hand with a text editor (good luck to that with MILLIONS of entries, lol).

4.) 'CruTcHy' missed the fact that the hosts file DOES need protecting (UAC ACL & write protect help do so) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126421

5.) 'CruTcHy' ADMITS hosts files are useful (which I will find very useful in the future, thank you!) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126661

6.) 2 significant folks in the security field who create custom hosts file data host my GUI program in malwarebytes' hpHosts & securemecca -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41126285 for custom hosts file creation & mgt.... and 'CruTcHy' said nobody gives a hoot about my program (seems you do, & fail vs. it, and there's these security folks also).

7.) Text Editors like notepad.exe &/or gedit will NOT handle properly processing hosts file data fully, which 'CruTcHy' had to be "schooled in" also -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41121573

8.) 'CruTcHy' is a troll that's constantly off topic - He had to be reminded of what the topic is here (hosts) since you were trolling calling me homo, retard, & such, plus starting up your trolling b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3058625&cid=41104817 &

9.) 'CruTcHy' doesn't even know that PROCESSORS FETCH INSTRUCTIONS FROM MEMORY (not send them directly to the CPU) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335057&cid=42374745

10.) 'CruTcHy' says code should be easy to debug & yet doesn't use error-handlers -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3258205&cid=42016197 (we ought to call you "Mr. Crash & Burn", lol... change your nick to that, might as well, after that)... lmao!

11.) 'CruTcHy' says he codes Delphi - ok: Show us a program you've done that did as well as stuff I've done, all written in Delphi no less, over time then since 1997-2004 (In response to this, I will put up a list of things that did well in respected publications, commercial trade shows in computer sciences, books, magazines, newspapers, & more that I did while you were STILL