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New Pirate Bay Proxies Spring Up

Techmeology writes "Just days after the UK Pirate Party was forced to kill its proxy service Pirate Parties in Argentina and Luxembourg have created their own proxies. In a statement, the Pirate Party in Argentina said: 'We wish the UK Pirate Party best of luck in their continued fight for free access to culture and knowledge. We have put up our own Pirate Bay proxy which is accessible from anywhere in the world, including the UK and other places where it has been censored.'"

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  1. Well color me shocked. by erotic_pie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just another case of the internet routing around censorship. Is anyone really truly surprised by this?

    1. Re:Well color me shocked. by skovnymfe · · Score: 2

      The lawyers, politicians and business CEOs seem consistently surprised every time something like this happens.

    2. Re:Well color me shocked. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      "You can't stop the signal, Mal!" - the funny looking guy on the movie, Serenity.

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      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    3. Re:Well color me shocked. by Jetra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Archaic laws make for archaic thinking.

    4. Re:Well color me shocked. by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 1

      We are the internet. Resistance is futile.

    5. Re:Well color me shocked. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Nah, either "that guy from Numbers" or "that guy from 10 things I hate about you".

    6. Re:Well color me shocked. by dinfinity · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are a lot of proxies:
      http://about.piratereverse.info/proxy/list.html

      Actually, there are a lot of proxy lists:
      https://www.google.com/search?q=tpb+proxies

      Really, trying to legal block proxies on the internet is one of the dumbest things ever.

    7. Re:Well color me shocked. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      If you block it, how do you catch paedos by tracing it?

      Child porno already has relevant laws covering it. You don't need to add a means of censorship which can and will be arbitrarily extended to cover anything else the government doesn't like, like people who don't like them.

    8. Re:Well color me shocked. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Nah, either "that guy from Numbers" or "that guy from 10 things I hate about you".

      Nope. That guy from "Addams Family Values"

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    9. Re:Well color me shocked. by Grumbleduke · · Score: 1

      Fortunately an increasing number of lawyers, politicians and business CEOs *aren't* surprised by this (speaking as someone well on his way to becoming two of those). At some point they will reach critical mass in each of the fields and we might see some real progress.

    10. Re:Well color me shocked. by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      i remember people getting together to swap floppies on a friday night when i was like thirteen of fourteen or something maybe and i think piracy back then was still the privilege of long john silver
      everyone knows it's a waste of money since people are still making money and very few companies seem to go bust
      but i think this fight is about saving face somehow, i wonder how much money spent on lawyers could be invested in exploring new business models, but the lawyers will ofcourse not agree since it's their way of making a living and this question and this answer have all been posed and given before so what am i doing ... i'll just shut up about it

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      Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
  2. This quote never stops being true by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

    -- John Gilmore

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    Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
    1. Re:This quote never stops being true by ickleberry · · Score: 1

      Pity Eamon Gilmore and his lower ranking party pee-on Sean Sherlock don't understand this

    2. Re:This quote never stops being true by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It would be more accurate to say the people on the internet interpret censorship as damage. People are a lot smarter than routers.

    3. Re:This quote never stops being true by i-reek · · Score: 1

      Except if you live in Syria, of course.

    4. Re:This quote never stops being true by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      It would be more accurate to say the people on the internet interpret censorship as damage. People are a lot smarter than routers.

      "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it."

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
  3. Make love, not war! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make mirrors, not proxies! You know, routing around confiscated servers is difficult.

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    Ezekiel 23:20
  4. Just like a Hydra monster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Chop off one head, multiple ones spring up in its place.

    1. Re:Just like a Hydra monster by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Look at it from the hydra's perspective. We're just doing our thing, and you rat bastard monsters start chopping off our heads! You need to die a slow painful death.

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      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    2. Re:Just like a Hydra monster by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Yea, but continue chopping long enough and maybe the hydra will overflow and die. Hopefully it's only 16 or 32 bit, because if it's 128bit then it will take a long time.

  5. Proxies by girlintraining · · Score: 2

    You don't need your own proxies. Just tell people to use Tor. It'll access TPB and other torrent sites just fine. Just remind them that downloading the torrent files (or magnet links) might be anonymized, but trying to tor-ify your bittorrent client is an excercise in futility, as well as seriously degrading the limited resources of the network; Nobody routes bittorrent traffic on Tor.

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    1. Re:Proxies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Routing BitTorrent over Tor is bad idea and you should never ever do it. But guess what, if you do want to anonymize your BitTorrent traffic, there's a protocol for that: OneSwarm. It's not a perfect solution, but it does something similar to what you actually wanted when you thought you wanted to run BitTorrent over Tor.

  6. Re:Free access by Xeno+man · · Score: 1

    Free culture is about thoughts and ideas, not goods and services.

  7. The PERFECT Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Artists must work for free, they must produce a certain amount of art each year for free, musicians must hold concerts for free, their work can be freely copied and distributed.

    HOWEVER, they are entitled to anything THEY WANT for free.... a house, car, food, electronics.... they can walk in with their RIAA/MPAA or what ever card it is into any business and take what that want for free, the cost of these goods/services (NOT including profit) gets spread evenly among the employer and all employees.

    So here we have it. The artist works for everyone for free and everyone works for the artists free, the perfect solution.

    We get free access to culture, they get free access to society.

    1. Re:The PERFECT Solution by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      That's so asinine - no, sorry, it's just stupid.

      Artists are entitled to a fair wage for their services. If artists get off their butts, go out, and perform their arts, they can get paid. The problem with the current scheme of things is, beginning artists believe that if they sign with a record label, do a few songs, they should be on easy street for the rest of their lives.

      Soon enough, they figure out that the game is rigged, and if they stop performing, easy street turns into a dead-end. But the LABEL continues to reap profits for nothing for another hundred years, plus eternity.

      Almost nothing stands between the artist and the audience. Entertain, and you'll be rewarded. You may not become zillionaires going that route, but you'll be rewarded.

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      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    2. Re:The PERFECT Solution by richlv · · Score: 1

      there is no guaranteed income in being... well, anybody. and there is no such thing for being an artist.
      artists feel entitled to holding longer and longer monopolies on culture, as if they came in and did it all in an empty space, without relying on any previous influences.

      limiting copying is not an answer, unless the question is "how do we milk this outdated business model a bit longer". copyright will have to change, unless more or less free part of the world changes to a society that is as totalitarian as the "usual suspects".

      there is an overproduction in almost any art field, and it is being advertised so everybody wants the latest only. resources for creating art are available so much more that everybody can be producing it, instead of all of us being consumers that are dependent on these few "gatekeepers of culture".
      there is no way for anybody to listen to all music or view all movies produced. society is slowly trying to say that maybe some of those artists should do something else.
      copyright law change that would only restrict commercial use (making personal use free) would restore sanity in this field.

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      Rich
    3. Re:The PERFECT Solution by richlv · · Score: 1

      70 years or more.

      and no, there is not point to stick that artists have no need to make a living, just that this need has to be proportionate to what the society finds appropriate - if artists think that society is paying too little, well, too bad - they probably should do something else... just like any other profession out there.

      as for independent music, it;s hard to categorise. instead i do not buy cds (except at concerts), go to concerts whenever i have some time, buy t-shirts and other merch. no easy profit from me, but i did get 4 t-shirts from paprika korps last time (they were well priced, i'd get more but they had run out of the ones i wanted ;) )

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      Rich
  8. The more you tighten your grip by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
                                    -- Princess Leia to Grand Moff Tarkin

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    Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    1. Re:The more you tighten your grip by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

      Pirate Party: What is it?
      Lame User: [interrupts] This scheme of yours has failed, Lord Torrent. The blockade is complete. We dare not go against the Judges.
      Pirate Party: Cool User, I don't want this stunted slime in my sight again. [Lamer leaves] This turn of events is unfortunate. We must accelerate our plans. Begin setting up your proxies.
      Cool User: My lord! Is that... legal?
      Pirate Party: I will make it legal.
      Cool User: And the Judges?
      Pirate Party: The MAFIAA-UK should never have brought them into this! Kill the copyright laws immediately!
      Cool User: Yes...yes, my lord. As you wish.

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      When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
  9. Barbra Streisand effect by Aethedor · · Score: 2

    Seriously judges. Just give it up. You're only making it 'worse'.

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    It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
    1. Re:Barbra Streisand effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously judges. Just give it up. You're only making it 'worse'.

      Quoted "worse"? Does that mean "better" or did you have too many quotes on your desk and thought of sharing some with us?

    2. Re:Barbra Streisand effect by Aethedor · · Score: 2

      Worse for the record-mafia and their judge-friends. Better for the rest of the world.

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      It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
  10. Slow learners by benjfowler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a little aghast at what slow learners the pro-copyright corporatist extremists and their front groups really are.

    I've convinced that they will never learn ever -- and that we'll simply have to wait a generation for these stupid, venal old white men to die before they are replaced by people willing to see logic and reason, and realize that locking up culture behind contrived barriers, and lobbying/corrupting government into propping up their broken business models is a long term losing proposition.

    The MAFIAA are proof that human greedy and stupidity is truly infinite.

    1. Re:Slow learners by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      "Genius has it's limits. Stupidity knows no bounds." - Anon.

    2. Re:Slow learners by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Concerts, Umm... well if I can get all their music for free why would I pay to go to a concert ?

      I go to concerts. One of my favorite musicians only sells his CDs at a concert (but has free downloads and links to youtube with his songs on his site). I went to the concert and bought the CD so I would have a higher quality copy and so I could see him perform live (the concert).

      I go to about 10 concerts a year, even though I probably have the records or files (or at least could get them if I wanted). I also buy records, tapes and CDs. The piracy is just an addition - I would not buy more records if I couldn't download anything (because I already spend as much as I can on records and currently have about 500 of them (and 200 cassettes, but a lot of those are pirated, mostly because I could not find the records for sale, so I had to borrow and copy them)).

    3. Re:Slow learners by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      I go to local concerts only - I don't go to a concert in another country (well, if I was in that country for other reasons then I probably would go).

      However, sometimes I cannot find the record that I want for sale, so I either have to borrow and copy it to tape or download a pirate copy.

      I don't really download any music anymore. But the point remains - even if piracy was completely stopped tomorrow I would not be buying more records or CDs - not unless I robbed a bank or something.

    4. Re:Slow learners by benjfowler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I presume that by you posting Anonymous Coward, and by mischievously lying about what I said, that you are shilling for the MAFIAA.

      Nevertheless I'll reply to your lies and misrepresentations.

      Please tell us, what is the NEW business model ?

      From you post, I gather they are not allowed to sell their work, so what options are left ?

      Lie #1. I did NOT say that artists could not sell their work. What I DID say, is that MAFIAA criminals should not be allowed to saddle us with stupid, onerous laws and endless copyright, because some ageing conservative white male retard can't figure out how to stream music, instead of selling merchandise, concert tickets, or streamed music.

      Advertising, well ad blockers are popular , so that business model is already broken too

      Yes. What are you going to do about it? Anybody with half a fucking brain could tell you that you can't make the world revolve on banner ads alone. Just because we've managed this long doesn't mean it's sustainable.

      Concerts, Umm... well if I can get all their music for free why would I pay to go to a concert ?

      You are a profoundly stupid and ignorant person. Fans are only too happy to support their favourite artists by paying big money to go to concerts and buy their merchandise. Statistics show that while record company revenue from shiny bits of plastic are falling (and despite their despicable behaviour and acts of political corruption and bastardry), revenue from live concerts is increasing year on year. Record companies now sign artists on comprehensive deals, which includes recording, merchandise, concert promotions-- the whole kit and kaboodle. Get your facts straight.

      Given that flying a Band, Stage setup, venue hire, etc etc etc plus the ability to live for the rest of the year for everyone costs a lot of money and they will have no other income ticket prices will rise, either that or the business model you envision is the mediocre pub band who make their real living in other ways.

      Explain in detail exactly what this new business model is as you obviously think you have a much better idea.

      You must have been born with calipers. That is what normal and rational people call a 'straw man argument'. Would you like me to spell it out for you?

      Frankly, the record industry can fuck off and die in a fire. With the Internet, modern computers and software, record companies are about as useful as tits on the proverbial bull. Like all middlemen, they are parasites, and only serve to enrich themselves on the talents and hard work of good artists, and the naivete of the general public. The 'curation' function of record companies is no longer required. The criminal MAFIAA's associates employee fuck-all people, pay fuck-all tax, do fuck-all for the health of our culture, and will serve us best by collectively eating shit and dying.

    5. Re:Slow learners by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Not everyone offers flac or wav downloads, there are some music that is only available as mp3 on TPB, not flac.
      So, in some cases, buying the CD gets higher quality. Buying the record almost always gets higher quality, not because of some inherent quality of the record, but because the record was made before everyone started compressing the dynamic range to 3dB and re-releases on CD are usually compressed.

    6. Re:Slow learners by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Please tell us, what is the NEW business model ?

      Except for the people who need one, that's not anyone's problem.

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    7. Re:Slow learners by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I'm going to a concert in another country next year, September 2nd.

    8. Re:Slow learners by richlv · · Score: 1

      why are all pro-strict-copyright comments on this article by anonymous cowards ? has riaa & friends discovered slashdot ?

      new business model might be producing some product which actually is beneficial enough for the society so they are willing to pay for it, instead of trying to out-legislate copying (which does not deprive original author). there is no entitlement to income by doing music or whatever (nevertheless, limited copyright for commercial use seems to make a lot of sense).

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      Rich
  11. Re: TPB location by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Exactly where are the Pirate Bay servers? You can't confiscate them if you can't find them.

  12. Whose money did they spend? by advantis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All that money spent in the courts to get ISPs to block the Pirate Bay from direct access, and by the ISPs to implement the ruling, and for what? It appears only the lawyers won. The artists aren't any better off as a result, the "industry" isn't getting any fatter, and the pirates were only slightly inconvenienced for the five minutes it took to find a way around the blockade. You know, given this perspective, I'd suggest that the "industry" spends that money helping people in Africa or poor regions of the US (yeah, I crack myself up sometimes).

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    Question for religious people: where do unrepentant masochists go when they die?
  13. accessible from ... the UK by davidwr · · Score: 1

    accessible from anywhere in the world, including the UK

    I wonder how many UK-business days before this is no longer the case?

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  14. Oblig Daily Mash by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/pirate-bay-proxy-ban-causes-seconds-of-inconvenience-2012122054253

  15. Host BitTorrent Sites Via BitTorrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why must I go to some remote location every single time I wanna search for a torrent, which in most cases has been added a long time ago? That site could be down, or slow, or betray me to the SOPA commies... It would be better if I scraped torrent sites into a local database, updated via a daily cron job, and then searched for torrents via tools running locally on my system, which would pass the magnet link to the BitTorrent downloader program. (Just storing magnet links would require very little disk space, but even storing all metadata, comments, and the torrent file isn't unrealistic given today's HDD price per GB.) I'd then share that database and related tools via P2P, so everyone would have their own read-only Pirate Bay on their own hard drive. And, once many users would have these tools bootstrapped, their db sync functionality can be extended to adding new torrents and submitting comments in a P2P manner - far more resilient than a single Web-site / domain name.

    If only my time was infinite... I didn't even yet make any headway on my current project - to scrape all Slashdot comments and dump the database to BitTorrent... ;-)

    --libman

  16. Re: TPB location by Kjella · · Score: 1

    If they really wanted to take down TPB, who cares? Shut down the domain name and all the IPs it points to today, as long as nobody can reach it then it's for all practical purposes down. I'd be surprised if they even have actual servers anywhere, and not just encrypted tunnels leading to a leased machine or the cloud. In fact, they probably have hot spares they can redirect the tunnels to if any of their "servers" are compromised.

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    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  17. Care to share? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    Make mirrors, not proxies! You know, routing around confiscated servers is difficult.

    That makes it even more important for everyone to chip in !!

    No matter it's mirror or proxy it needs a server to host.

    If you have a server to spare, or if your server has bandwidth to spare, please consider sharing what you have to host a public proxy and/or mirror.

    BTW, does anyone have any more listing of alternative proxies / mirrors?

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  18. Re: TPB location by hack++slash · · Score: 4, Informative

    They moved to the 'cloud', making it near impossible for authorities to raid the servers the site is hosted on:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=tpb+moves+to+the+cloud

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    To do something right, you often have to roll up your sleeves and get busy.
  19. Re:Free access by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    You can experience the culture for free. Walk around the areas with culture. Most museums I've been to were free (for at least some portion of the exhibits). And walking into a restaurant or hotel is free.

  20. Re: TPB location by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    I think that might ultimately just move the piracy scene back to these more underground warez spots. These easy-to-use, well known sites might eventually die. When you are already talking about transmitting magnet links via mail or IRC, it becomes much more impractical and the torrents won't get that much seeders anymore.

  21. Control by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Even if TPB proxies and mirrors can be sprung like mushrooms, there could be major problems if the master site is closed. Sure, you can make a mirror of the torrent files and send around the magnet links and it will work. But after that, how can you add new torrents, and do other kind of administration? Who and how will then moderate everything?

    1. Re:Control by Dr.Ruud · · Score: 1

      Usenet comes to mind.

  22. Explains a lot by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

    I was wondering why they didn't even throw up a token defense (spend a single day in court) when they were charged to take down the proxies. They clearly knew that their friends in other jurisdictions would take up the fight. Now any attempt to take down the other proxies will look like desperate acts of desperate people.

    Can't wait to see the next move in this one-sided chess game.

  23. "Rights"? by Alimony+Pakhdan · · Score: 1

    I sure wish people would quit pretending that there was any issue of "rights" here. Even in the EU they have not defined a right to entertainment or to not paying for entertainment.