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Teens Drug Parents To Get Web Access
linuxwrangler writes "Two teens are behind bars after hatching a plan that involved drugging milkshakes they gave to the parents of one of the kids. The parents were suspicious after waking groggy the next day, and used a home drug-test on one of the remaining drinks. The teens came up with the plan in order to avoid their 10pm Internet curfew."
brings all the web to the night, damn right.
She drugs her parents to surf the web......... I'm guessing video games will get blamed for this.
Any bets they will get web access in the juvenile detention centre?
Of course, if they had drank the entire milkshake, there would have been no surprise at next-day grogginess!
the groggy feeling of being drugged the night before, or that knowing your daughter doesn't have a problem doing stuff like this to you.
Be seeing you...
Who here's betting her parents were just control freaks?
And, seriously, they just put their kid behind bars. I bet they think that'll teach 'em.
Obviously the reaction was excessive, but what's really going on here?
I feel like we don't have all the details.
Sociopathic tendencies seem to be genetic, and there is certainly plenty of selective pressure in favor of these traits in the modern day.
While I don't think this was a smart move (probably very dumb anyway) as there were probably other ways to subvert authority I don't think parents or government should have the authority or control they do. It's not right. It's not justified. It just is. The assumption that parents/police/government know best is wrong.
But I sincerely doubt they'll have much choice in when they can use it.
It was only sleeping medicine, jesus... they acted like their kid and her friend slipped them cyanide. Why the hell would they have their child arrested? That is not exactly awesome for a kid's career and life... not exactly what I would do if she was my child.
Stupid kids. If your going to go to such trouble you should have called child services when confronted. No more parents to deal with.
I can only assume we're talking Benzo's here, based on the drug testing kit.
Based on the description of the "next morning" I think it's same to assume we're talking about Ambien.
How does a teenager get a prescription for Ambien? ...And enough of it to drug two grown adults (with only 1/4 dosage) ?
These benzo's can be expensive. What teenager has the money to blow on a handful of drugs, for the sole purpose of "surfing the web late at night"?
Something tells me there's a lot more to this story.
Where you drug drinks and give them to adults. Curse you video games!
"drug testing kit"
Yeah no. I don't think the average dipshit would have any idea how to get ahold of that.
And any they WOULD get ahold of. Are not going to 'detect' any sleeping medication the average teen could even get ahold of.
Let alone who the hell keeps a milkshake around overnight.
This story sounds 100% made up. The media will eat it up tho. But not too much. It's too fake.
I know this is an old peeve, but still: this story is about kids drugging parents to get $THING. Is it on /. only because $THING == Internet?
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'Behind bars'.
But not convicted, only facing charges. The word 'allegedly' is missing from this article.
They have a home drug test kit that tests for prescription drugs? Is there such a thing?
I thought those kits tested for illegal drugs. Isn't that the whole point of them?
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Shouldn't have been running bit-torrent while daddy was playing CoD. Who doesn't wanna have someone thrown in jail for lagging their connection?
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They fell asleep and were groggy the next day from 1/4 of the milkshake. Suppose they'd drunk the whole thing.
I am not a doctor, but all medications come in varying dosages. We don't exactly know the whole story here, so stop making assumptions.
If I were the parents, I wouldn't have had my own children arrested, or put them in a position to be arrested. I would have handled the situation privately and discretely, disciplining as necessary. Even a misdemeanor fucks up your future these days, I had parents that understood this when I did dumb things growing up. You're a fool if you think even the juvenile system in this country is capable of any sort of rehabilitation, and certainly is capable of much less than that available from a couple of loving parents.
The parents were being vindictive, that's the only explanation. Or they're downright retarded and should be arrested for child endangerment.
My bet here is that something was seriously wrong in this household, and the teen was acting out in the only way she knew how.
A few years ago, some people I know figured out that their teen-aged son was setting an alarm clock for 2:00 in the morning, and getting up and playing StarCraft on the Internet for a few hours and then going back to bed.
They weren't sure what was up, for a while, but they did notice he seemed like he wasn't well rested and his school teachers were noticing as well. He wasn't an A+ student to start with and this really wasn't helping his grades.
Hmm, maybe Blizzard should have made an ad featuring him. "StarCraft: it's better than sleep!"
But, you apparently still think that the kids should've been arrested / permanently condemned for this?
This'll never come off their records. This should have been handled at home after the drug test came back positive.
What the fuck kind of parents are you people?
Most modern wireless routers can be set to block internet automatically at a certain time of night for select devices in the house based on either IP address or MAC address. No reason to fight about it every night with the kids - set an automatic policy and communicate the policy. Simple.
maybe some time in juvenile detention might teach the kids some judgement that they apparently haven't learned so far.
So, by your logic, being placed around more people that have judgement problems would serve as an adequate solution?
but by the time we were that age (whatever age that was, I didn't even look) our parents had beaten more sense than that into us
I can't speak for my parenting skills, since that's an extremely hypothetical situation, but by the time we were that age (whatever age that was, I didn't even look) our parents had beaten more sense than that into us. Hooray, child abuse!
You should be sterilized, and I'm not laughing. At all. Your parents should've been, too, if they routinely beat you.
and the parents had a home drug test kit handy
They had to drive to the police station to get one.
I say reward them for being so resourceful!
I think they'll go far in life.
Dear god, mate, listen to yourself. At most, it could only be construed as manslaughter, not murder.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? You act like the teen intentionally tried to kill her parents.
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I can't believe they arrested her, though.
Was that really the only resolution? Or was it just the most convenient?
Something you need to ask yourselves.
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Generally speaking:
If the young dependents are mature enough, and are willing to be emancipated, and can procure their own financial means, then they should be emancipated from their parents through a legal process. Sadly this doesn't happen often enough in the existing legal system. 18 is a good-enough "rule of thumb" to assume automatic emancipation if no one challenges it in a particular family, but it shouldn't be an inflexible one-size-fits-all commandment. (Likewise, if a person is mentally handicapped, the Rights of the parents / guardians should be extendabile beyond age 18.) As civilization advances, the cost of living relative to average salary should decline, and so it should be easier for more teenagers to pull this off.
But if those kids aren't ready and able to become independent economic actors and take full responsibility for their actions, then they have no choice but to "put up and shut up" as subjects of their parents / guardians. They have a full "Right to Life" and "Right to Emancipation", but not the "Right to Liberty" or "Right to Property". That's the temporary privilege that parents get for giving them life.
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"I am not a doctor"
It shows.
The line between a dose that will reliably put a random person out against their will and what can shut down breathing or perhaps cause vomit aspiration is famously thin when you don't know about drug interactions, medical conditions, if they drank a couple beers on the way home, etc. etc.
If they'd drank the whole thing, maybe they'd have been alright, but then again maybe not.
If I were the parents, I wouldn't have had my own children arrested, or put them in a position to be arrested.
What about the kid involved who was not their child?
Refraining from reporting a crime is a bad idea. One of the major restraints against crime is the risk of getting caught and penalized.
I am not a doctor, but all medications come in varying dosages. We don't exactly know the whole story here, so stop making assumptions.
My bet here is that something was seriously wrong in this household, and the teen was acting out in the only way she knew how.
It seems funny how you can assume that " the teen was acting out in the only way she knew how" based on the girl drugging the parents but not that the dosage in the shake might have been lethal based on the effect of 1/4 of the dose. If you are against assumptions the you are against all assumptions. Sorry but you can not pick and choose.
The parents were being vindictive, that's the only explanation.
Yet another assumption. Another explanation might be they were great parents at the end of their rope with a daughter who has no boundaries. We do not know the whole story..
A nice plate of Exlax brownies should solve the problem. It has the added benefit of them being afraid of asking for dessert. Just slip a few in their lunch bags so they kick in right around the time of the big Physics test.
Even a misdemeanor fucks up your future these days
Precisely. These idiots are condemning their daughter to a lifetime of poverty and misery. Unless she's very lucky, she will now find herself permanently cut off from any hope of obtaining decent employment or even going to college. They've taken her future and flushed it down the toilet because they're ignorant and naive.
You're a fool if you think even the juvenile system in this country is capable of any sort of rehabilitation
Indeed. Nothing good will come of their daughter's imprisonment and conviction. Those who've been convicted of a crime in the United States are now members of a permanent underclass. There are no more second chances and electronic records never go away and follow you everywhere for the rest of your life. After this, it will take something of a minor miracle for her to escape a future filled with poverty and misery.
So, immediately everyone is going to talk about how this girl is a selfish facebook-generation twat, and how this is so terrible, and how she needs to be slapped down with the law, etc. While there's a chance that this is all true, I'd like you to consider for a moment other possibilities.
I grew up with abusive and controlling parents. I have been whipped with a belt. I have had all my belongings locked up in crates in other rooms, being given back to me when I "earned it" (which never seemed to happen). I have had my toys thrown in the fireplace because I couldn't clean them up fast enough. I've had the power to the entire house cut nightly because it was curfew time. I've had my bed and my car sold out from under me because it was decided that they were taking up too much space.
It is not normal teenage behavior to drug your parents: this is an extreme action. You may choose to believe that she is extremely entitled and potentially psychopathic, but other extremes are also possible. As a general rule, it would be nice if people reserved their judgement until they had all the details.
Does it not surprise anyone else that one of their first thoughts was to drug test the milkshake?
I can not possibly imagine waking up groggy and at any point thinking 'Was I drugged?!?!?!'
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What about the sexual acts performed on the parent while ... knocked out ? That was real reason.
"I am not a doctor"
It shows.
The line between a dose that will reliably put a random person out against their will and what can shut down breathing or perhaps cause vomit aspiration is famously thin when you don't know about drug interactions, medical conditions, if they drank a couple beers on the way home, etc. etc.
Well, it does depend on the drug. Ketamine for instance will knock people out (welcome to the K-hole!) but the risk of overdosing is minimal since it actually increases blood pressure and doesn't depress breathing. For that reason it's a preferred anesthetic for less than ideal situations (battlefield, triage center, disaster areas) because it is damn hard to accidentally kill someone with it, but damn easy to knock them out reliably.
replying to yourself is gay, besides isnt it past your bedtime, or is mom all coked up fucking "uncle" charlie?
They fell asleep and were groggy the next day from 1/4 of the milkshake. Suppose they'd drunk the whole thing.
I am not a doctor, but all medications come in varying dosages. We don't exactly know the whole story here, so stop making assumptions.
If I were the parents, I wouldn't have had my own children arrested, or put them in a position to be arrested. I would have handled the situation privately and discretely, disciplining as necessary. Even a misdemeanor fucks up your future these days, I had parents that understood this when I did dumb things growing up. You're a fool if you think even the juvenile system in this country is capable of any sort of rehabilitation, and certainly is capable of much less than that available from a couple of loving parents.
The parents were being vindictive, that's the only explanation. Or they're downright retarded and should be arrested for child endangerment.
My bet here is that something was seriously wrong in this household, and the teen was acting out in the only way she knew how.
If your child drugged you with a dose high enough to kill you (which may be the case here if they'd drunk the whole thing) then you have lost control of the situation, and should (as the parents in question have) be looking for external help. I suspect the kids won't be locked away (for all the reasons you point out) but hopefully will receive a defining lesson in right and wrong.
I am not a doctor, but all medications come in varying dosages. We don't exactly know the whole story here, so stop making assumptions.
This assumption goes both ways. If you intentionally drug someone, you have to assume it could be dangerous. And guess what, it usually is - there are very few prescription drugs where an overdose doesn't have some serious side effects. And sleep medications are usually not intended to knock you on your ass, but to aid sleep. If they woke up with a nasty hangover it's OBVIOUSLY more than the standard dose already.
And you clearly don't have kids, let alone teens with serious behavioral problems. What are they supposed to do, laugh it off? Or punish her by cutting off her Internet access? Yeah, that would be a great idea. Better make her taste all your food first.
What's the difference?
Your kid is not doing what you want, lot of parents take them to a doctor (drug dealer) and give their kids speed(Ritalin, Adderol, etc...) or other mind-alteringdrugswith terrible side-effects and no one cares.
These kids make their parents sleepy and suddenly it's a law enforcement issue.
Disgusting.
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Therapy would likely be a good idea as well. If a kid is willing to poison (drugging, poisoning... same thing) there is something seriously wrong.
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The part of the blue state with the streak of red. Where the authoritarians live. Where teaching a lesson to your kid involves THROWING THEM IN JAIL. That'll be good for their relationship. I know that was some fucked up shit, but that is COLD. I don't know if I could do that to my kids, even if they did something like this to me. It's called "unconditional love". Unless your parents are authoritarian fucks who want to hand you over to the state, I guess.
If I were the parents, I wouldn't have had my own children arrested, or put them in a position to be arrested. I would have handled the situation privately and discretely, disciplining as necessary.
May not have a choice. If they were feeling bad enough to get checked out by a medical professional (and I must say, I'd probably get checked out if I found out I'd been drugged!), and that professional reported the situation to the police (which is mandatory in many jurisdictions for cases of this nature) then the police may have pressed charges regardless of the parent's wishes. In many cases of domestic violence (which this is included in) the victim does not have any say in whether charges are laid. This is because far too many victims are reluctant to press charges against a loved one, even in cases of ongoing abuse. The fact that this case is about a kid poisoning a parent doesn't make it any different than a case of a husband beating a wife, or vice-versa, it still qualifies as domestic violence. The police get involved as soon as anyone finds out, and from that point onward the decision on whether to press charges is out of the parent's hands.
| Except for the fact that you don't have your kid arrested... basically to ensure that your kids have no future.
Get real -- these kids won't get a criminal record or wind up in the pen.
They will hopefully get a bit of a scare when they see such behavior is deemed
both wrong and very serious.
Say what you want about the courts, but most judges have a lot of common sense along
with a desire and ability to guide youth toward a "good" path.
If things got crazy in court (hard to imagine, but there are always exceptions)
the parents could simply drop the charges.
"I am not a doctor"
It shows.
The line between a dose that will reliably put a random person out against their will and what can shut down breathing or perhaps cause vomit aspiration is famously thin when you don't know about drug interactions, medical conditions, if they drank a couple beers on the way home, etc. etc.
If they'd drank the whole thing, maybe they'd have been alright, but then again maybe not.
But without drug interactions a benzodiazepine would be very safe. Without a secondary depressant it's almost impossible to overdose on them.
I should probably add, that giving them ANYTHING is still monstrously unethical.
home drug tests only test urine not milkshakes
... they didn't think to discard the remaining liquids and wash the glasses after the parents fell asleep?
Don't they learn anything in school, watching CSI or surfing the Internet?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
TFA doesn't mention the age of the teens involved so it's hard to say whether a 10pm curfew is reasonable.
If they are young then it might be okay, but if they were high school senior age then it wasn't. Midnight would be more reasonable for that age.
You could also argue that a curfew is entirely unreasonable but that's a different story.
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The parents would have to "press charges". This is their discretion under the law. This is not a case where the law is cut and dry as to whether a crime was committed or not.
Let me get this straight - two fully-adult human beings with teenage children are sitting down of an evening to drink milkshakes? That's the real wtf right there.
I would turn to abortion.
I would have handled the situation privately and discretely, disciplining as necessary. Even a misdemeanor fucks up your future these days, I had parents that understood this when I did dumb things growing up. You're a fool if you think even the juvenile system in this country is capable of any sort of rehabilitation, and certainly is capable of much less than that available from a couple of loving parents
Did you consider the parents might be scared for their fucking lives? Their kid drugged them just to get on the INTERNET after 10pm. What else might the kids do when they don't get their way. People die all the time from being drugged,mostly date rape stuff but you can be sure if they had got away with it they would have been doing it every other day.
Sorry but I doubt very much that the friend's parent was prescribed Ketamine for sleep. It was probably a sedative like Ambien. Please note the following warning;
What happens if I overdose?
Seek emergency medical attention or call the Poison Help line at 1-800-222-1222. An overdose of Ambien can be fatal when it is taken together with other medications that can cause drowsiness.
Overdose symptoms may include sleepiness, confusion, shallow breathing, feeling light-headed, fainting, or coma.
Ketamine itself isn't even safe as shown in this use positive site. Here are a couple of quotes;
Ketamine users attempting to move around are likely to fall down, bump into things or find themselves in a body of water without the ability to swim. Talking, moving or even going to the bathroom can be extremely difficult. It’s very important to be in a safe environment. For inexperienced users, a clear-headed sitter is absolutely essential.
Environmental Hazards
At high doses, ketamine can be physically incapacitating, even paralyzing. Users must be sure to extinguish all cigarettes, candles and any other flame that could be knocked over. Over the years, several deaths have been attributed to ketamine. In virtually every case, the actual cause of death was some physical accident. A woman passed out and froze to death in her own side yard. Several users have drown, some even in their own bathtubs. It’s very easy for a user under the influence to trip and fall, potentially causing themselves great bodily harm. Given these examples it is hopefully apparent that a clear-headed sitter is virtually essential for even experienced ketamine users.
I would not call a couple of teens in their room playing on the internet to be " clear-headed sitter[s]".
The fact that a certain drug itself would not kill them does not preclude the fact that the juveniles did not know what other medication the parents were taking or if they were going to drink alcohol or drive a vehicle. The juveniles took their parents' lives in their hands when they administered a prescription sleeping medication.
One of the major restraints against crime is the risk of getting caught and penalized.
Literally all data collected on this topic shows that this is wrong. How did you come up with this idea?
I don't have kids thank god, but if I did and one of them did this to me I'd put them up for adoption the next day, no shit.
A few comments on what I have read so far.
Teens Drug Parents To Get Web Access
Headline writing rule #13: try to avoid words which could be nouns or verbs. I read this as (despite the missing apostrophe) "Teen's [drug-parents] to get web access" and thought that some kid's smacked-up mom and dad had finally got broadband. "To get web access" could also be made a bit clearer very easily.
Parents drugged by teens to avoid web access curfew
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really if it was benzos there was little risk of OD, however if they used something else.................
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No wonder their kids do stupid things, the parents are plain stupid themselves.
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In my days, I hacked the home router to get around the net curfew.
Could you cite that position?
I remember reading about the mass looting that occurred in New York during that black out a few years ago. The police weren't around, so crime spiked because there were no consequences.
Learn something new.
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All they had to do was set a schedule in the router. Guess they were too lazy to read the manual...
Did you consider the parents might be scared for their fucking lives? Their kid drugged them just to get on the INTERNET after 10pm. What else might the kids do when they don't get their way. People die all the time from being drugged,mostly date rape stuff but you can be sure if they had got away with it they would have been doing it every other day.
Agreed. All those making light of the situation need to think two words "Mendez Brothers". If my child did something like that to me, they obvious have no regard for my life, what is right (moral ambiguity), and a sense of entitlement that goes way beyond simple punishment. The parents are indeed in danger in this situation.
This was a juvenile offense and if the first offense, will most likely be sealed.
Is google broken? Here's an example: In other words, in terms of country rankings, high incarceration rates tend to be associated with low levels of safety and "Quality of Life". Mob dynamics change the social contract. Your New York example only suggests correlation if you fail to control for this change.
It is also used in less than ideal situation because it helps keep the blood pressure up. If you use it on people who already have problems with high blood pressure breathing might be a secondary concern.
Well since the parents had their children locked up, perhaps the kids should have murdered them both Menedez brothers style.
Parents like theirs are why kids shooting up schools. They should be ashamed.
Not that what the teens did was right, but it does make me wonder if these parents ever used Nyquil to put their kids to sleep when they were younger. It's pretty much the same thing.
This is horrible. There's no excusing it.
Yet, some part of me can't help but to laugh.
My ex-parents gave me so much bad and delusional advice. They even talked me out of applying to MIT because they thought we wouldn't be able to afford it and that there was no reason to expect getting a degree there was any better than a local no-name college. Years later, I find out that, no, I damned well could have afforded it, fuck we affording it. I have a feeling the real reason they discouraged me from applying was that they were afraid I'd be exposed to leftist ideas.
Not everybody is qualified to be a parent. I'd suppose that a lot of people aren't qualified. How many folks who want to be parents care to do their own research about things like circumcision so they can be prepared if something goes wrong? How many people who want to be parents are prepared for the very real possibility that their child might be homosexual? How many people think that circumcision problems only happen to other people, and that their kids ain't gonna be no queer?
Looking back on my childhood, I'm convinced that I was something that happened to my parents. They didn't want me. They wanted to have a hot steamy night, but their religious principles prevented them from using protection. Do I wish they would have sought abortion? A lot of times, I do. But I'm here, still alive and doing science and trying to learn how to live as a normal person instead of the puritan robot they tried to make me.
This will sound cheesy, but once in high school I started growing my hair out because I wanted long hair. I still remember crying myself to sleep after my ex-father finally got me to cut it off. Sure, I was a myopic teenager at the time, but that's not what strikes me about that memory. I didn't do it because I was forced; I did it because for some sick reason I loved my ex-father and respected his judgement. Most people's fathers get smarter the older they get; my ex-father just gets more idiotic and warped the older I get. I wonder what I'd do instead if I could go back and time and tell myself that in 3 years I'd be spending a weekend homeless.
I was employed, I could have moved out. But I didn't because I trusted two people who turned out to be completely untrustworthy. They didn't even give me a week's notice so that I could look for an apartment and sign a lease. They made sure to keep me nice and sheltered as their 4.0 GPA machine so I wouldn't know what to do on my own, then they gave me until the end of the work day to find somewhere to couch surf or they'd have me thrown in jail for trespassing. I'm still grateful to the friends that made sure I didn't end up permanently homeless and talked me out of suicide.
They said I'd die homeless in a gutter from AIDS. Well, years later after they tried to make that happen, I bought a house. So whatever. Over 10 years, and it still hurts, but I suspect it never will stop hurting. Everyone's got something inside that hurts all the time I suppose. This is my thing inside that hurts.
If I could have children, I'd do so many things differently. First would probably be to love them and try to do the best for them, not for my own ego.
Oh well, that's enough out of me. Posting without karma bonus. Maybe some day there will be a way for me to have my own children.
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What the fuck is wrong with you people? You act like the teen intentionally tried to kill her parents.
What's wrong is that you are not thinking like a DA.
All the DA's office has to do is to say, with a straight face, "We believe that she intended to kill her parents." (Trust me, they're quite good at saying things like this, they get lots of practise.)
Presto! You've got a murder charge. And then she gets to try to prove that this was not her intention, and GLWT.
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The parents would have to "press charges".
Nope. Since this IS a criminal matter, charges are brought by the state, not the victims. Once the authorities found out (the parents probably said they thought someone drugged their milkshake at the police station to get the drug test kit), the parents are nothing more than victims/witnesses. The sword of justice falls without their help.
But imposing a 22:00 Internet curfew is well within the bounds.
Within such bounds, how are teenagers supposed to engage in productive communication with people who live in other time zones?
it's 10, go to bed.
It's not 10 in the country where my electronic pen pal lives. At what hour when she's up may we chat?
We also do what my parents did which is on exceptions allow, as a reward for something such as the straight As, the lengthening of Wii.
Not everybody can get straight A's. Say your child is in a class whose teacher tunes the exams' difficulty such that only 20 percent of students can expect to get straight A's. Mathematically, it's impossible for every student to be in that 20 percent.
If books are inherently superior to video games due to requiring more imagination, and letter writing is inherently superior to video chat due to requiring more imagination, why not just join the Amish? Yes, I admit a false dilemma, but I'd be willing to discuss any the option in the middle that you suggest.
most just play Xbox and that they only have one shared computer among the family
Why did they buy an Xbox instead of a second PC? PC is supposed to stand for personal computer.
Do you really think that we should let every 13 year decide whether they will go to school or play video games each morning?
Not each morning, but at a larger scale, a student who wants to skip school should be offered the chance to take the final exam during week 1 of the school year. Those few who get a B or better will have demonstrated that they are self-motivated enough for accelerated learning or even unschooling.
Hell yes you do! My Dad did when he caught me drinking in high school. He called the police, had me arrested, left me sitting in the jail overnight, then dropped the charges. Point made.
Dad had rules and expected them to be followed. Not following them had repurcussions.
In my family, breaking a law does NOT get a free pass from legal actions. A real loving family member would never put anyone in the family in that situation. THAT is a lesson that everyone should learn from their parents. If you break any law, expect your family to turn you in.
Blocking internet access - even all the time - is what I call good parenting. If the parents only want to white list spongebob for their teens, great. If they want to allow all access all the time, great. If they want to disable the internet after 10pm, great. At least they are being the parents.
These kids need to be taught many lessons. It appears that the parents have not been effective on the "do not harm others" lesson, so professional help is required - cops ARE professionals too.
Should I be a raving drunk on meth because I wasn't able to watch TV and talk on the phone after 10pm ( No Internet when I was a kid )?
When you were a kid, telephone calls to someone in a distant time zone were also cost prohibitive. But nowadays, kids expect to associate with people their own age regardless of what country they live in, and if they live more than six hours apart, that might not be feasible.
I'm not sure I'd trust a couple teenagers (who are also not doctors) seeking to satisfy their own self centered agenda to take the time to measure and administer the proper dosage.
What they did was reckless and dangerous and could have resulted in serious injury or death.
Serious actions have serious consequences. This is not something where putting them in timeout will really have much of an effect.
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Not to mention illegal and will result in juvenile detention. Plus, I don't think I'd want to trust a few self-centered teenagers with their own agenda to make that decision for me.
Ascalante: Your bride is over 3,000 years old.
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Man bites dog is "news"??
The other child's parents were probably lazy and drugged the child. That is not news... But when the child uses their prescription drug on their friend's parents - that is "news". For internet? That doesn't matter, it is a child - the motives do not need to make sense.
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Firstly you were making the claim. It's your job to back it up if you want people to take you seriously.
Secondly what do incarceration rates have to do with anything? If people know they can get away with something they are more likely to try and commit the crime a situations where normal society falls apart shows.
I'm guessing video games will get blamed for this.
Of course. That and milk.
You mean milk-plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what they were drinking? This would dull them down and get you ready for a bit of the old Facebook.
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Get out of the house once in a while, and make a friend in your own timezone.
That won't fly in today's "stranger danger" mentality.
My kid's reaction: "I would too. No regrets."
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Oh, I'm sure what the kids did was stupid, dangerous, and put the parents at risk. I was merely making the point that not all drugs that knock you out have a lethal side effect at much beyond the therapeutic dose.
The original article didn't state where they got the drugs from. Ketamine is used fairly extensively in animal medicine (especially as a horse tranquilizer) and may or may not be readily accessible to teens if they have close contact with a country vet, for instance.
And finally, you are correct that ketamine has been indirectly responsible for deaths because people are paralyzed and they burn/drown/freeze/whatever, but there were no cases (that I know of) where death was a direct result of ketamine overdose. In any case I'm sure these kids don't know jack about pharmacology or common sense and I am glad that the law slapped 'em down.
Another explanation might be they were great parents at the end of their rope with a daughter who has no boundaries.
If their daughter has no boundaries, they are not great parents. It is the parents job to teach their child such things.
Their kid definately showed poor judgement but the parent is the authority figure not the cops. This was just a stupid (maybe very very stupid) stunt to stay up past bedtime... I can't see sending my kid to jail for something like that. Make their lives miserable sure. Punish them sure. Cede your authority to the police and allow them to throw your kid into a juvenile detention center where god knows what kind of abuse will happen to them? No.
The article does state where they got the medication. Here is the quote;
the daughter secretly put her friend's prescription sleeping medicine
Ketamine was in all probability not the medication.
Have you had teenagers? At that point in life peers have much more influence in a juvenile's lives than their parents.
You also missed the main points of my post.
1. It seems that you think assumptions are bad unless you are the one making them.
2. It seems that you think the only explanations are the ones you agree with.
You are incorrect on both points.
Their kid definately showed poor judgement but the parent is the authority figure not the cops. This was just a stupid (maybe very very stupid) stunt to stay up past bedtime... I can't see sending my kid to jail for something like that. Make their lives miserable sure. Punish them sure. Cede your authority to the police and allow them to throw your kid into a juvenile detention center where god knows what kind of abuse will happen to them? No.
Did you not read what I wrote? Maybe the parents are SCARED of their child as in this isn't the first time they did something crazy. Being the authority figure is great and all until your kid shoots you in the face with an ar-15. You can question their decision all you like but it isn't YOUR kid, you have no idea what all is going on. I don't think anyone here is saying getting the police involved is great but sometimes that's all you can do.
And honestly you are kind of talking out of your ass. What can YOU really do if your kid decides to tell you to fuck off? What are you going to do when they don't give a shit what you say anymore? You going to beat them into line cause i'm sure DSS would love to throw you in jail. Kick them out into the street? once again DSS, lock them in their room? DSS... Truth is you have no power over your kid except their fear of you. When a kid becomes mentally ill or just stops caring you better watch your ass.
First off, I am not a doctor or a pharmacist, but I do have an interest in chemicals/drugs/medications and research them frequently. That being stated, the drugs you mentioned are all benzodiazepines. They are GABA agonists which slow the electrical signaling in the brain and can produce a relaxing/sedating effect similar to alcohol (imagine feeling drunk, but without the loss of motor coordination). They are used as sedatives and as anxiolytics (anxiety reducing drugs) for SHORT TERM USE ONLY (2-4 weeks)! Sorry about the caps, but it's important. Many, many people have been harmed by doctors who prescribed the drugs inappropriately. Benzo withdrawal is far worse than, say, opiate (heroin, morphine) withdrawal and it can take years for the body to undo the changes the drugs induce in the brains of users. People have committed suicide while going through benzo withdrawal.
Now, how safe are the benzos? Relatively speaking, they're pretty safe when used properly, and it's difficult to overdose to the point of death. You can take 100 times the effective dose and live, you'll just take a nice long nap (coma) and be okay when you awake. However, and this is extremely important, if you combine alcohol with a normal dose of benzos you may die. Seriously, please don't do this to yourself!
More common problems with the benzos arise from the fact that they also lower inhibitions. I have read stories of people going on gambling/sex/whatever binges because their inhibitions were reduced from the drug. There's also the possibility that people will re-dose once they're feeling nice and happy from the drug.
Another serious problem with the drugs is something called anterograde amnesia. This typically occurs in overdose situations when the user doesn't realize they have overdosed (it's subtle and sneaks up on you). Anterograde amnesia occurs when the brain cannot commit items in short-term memory to long-term memory. What happens in this situation is that the user is completely in the moment and coherent, but because memories don't make it to the part of the brain that does long-term storage, the user will have no recollection of events later on when the drug has worn off! I have experienced this myself and it is not a good feeling to have no recollection of the past two days. In my case, I woke up on Monday thinking it was Saturday, as I had no recollection of the weekend, and I started doing some activities that had been planned for Saturday that I had already completed. I spoke to people on the phone in my overdosed state and they said I sounded fine when I asked them about it later. I felt weird all day (and for a couple of days after that), I'm guessing this is what the parents meant by saying they had a hangover.
The main point I'm trying to make is that "sleep aids" can be deadly and should not be treated as benign drugs. Those two kids could have easily killed someone with their damn milkshake.
I'm assuming you mean overdose to death and not just overdose, because it's pretty easy to overdose on a bezo. You don't necessarily feel an overdose and you're not going to know you did it until you wake up later with amnesia.
Combine a normal dose of benzos with alcohol and you can die. It's extremely easy to overdose and die, I'm not sure why you minimize the risk. Many, many people mix alcohol and other drugs thinking it's no big deal. Sometimes they live, sometimes they die. Please don't do it.
You're correct though, taken by themselves you can take 100 or even 1,000 times a therapeutic dose and be fine. You'll sleep for days, or even weeks, but you'll eventually wake up.
Have you had teenagers? At that point in life peers have much more influence in a juvenile's lives than their parents.
I do not dispute this. However, to be categorized as "great" I would contend that parents need to be able to overcome these types of difficulties in raising their children. It is certainly possible that the parents in question are perfectly adequate.
You also missed the main points of my post.
1. It seems that you think assumptions are bad unless you are the one making them. 2. It seems that you think the only explanations are the ones you agree with. You are incorrect on both points.
I am not interested in these points. I assume (har har) that they are meant for the AC who you replied to.
I was trying to point out to the AC that there could be an alternate explanation. Notice that I said "Another explanation might be...". I stated that there might be another explanation not the the explanation was a fact. The issue I had with the your post was the assumption that parental teaching is automatically accepted by a juvenile. It is quite possible that the parents did everything right and the juvenile went a different direction. There is a huge difference between direction and control. Parents have the former; not the latter.
Sorry about the second part. My bad, I didn't check the name.