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John McAfee Explains How He Milked Information From Belize's Elite

paysonwelch points out John McAfee's latest blog post, which "details the complex spy network that he used to tap information from the highest echelons of the Belizean government. He might consider a new career as a movie producer — this blog post is enthralling. Here is an excerpt: 'I purchased 75 cheap laptop computers and, with trusted help, intalled invisible keystroke logging software on all of them — the kind that calls home (to me) and disgorges the text files. I began giving these away as presents to select people — government employees, police officers, Cabinet Minister's assistants, girlfriends of powerful men, boyfriends of powerful women.'"

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  1. Two words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nut Job

    1. Re:Two words: by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is one of the places where the story rings false. Given any 30 people involved in full-time spying on dozens of other people, it is _inevitable_ that at least one of them would notify the police of this operation. Not only because the activity is illegal, but because very few people can keep quiet about what their wage paying job is for an extended period, and they would inevitably inform lovers, family, or friends. That then multiplies the number of people who might inform on the operation in a plea bargain.

      For anyone who's been involved in handling security of any kind, such as a shared administrative password or simply keeping a corporate merger private before the public announcement, it's simply not feasible: it _will_ leak out with many participants.

    2. Re:Two words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is why you don't do certain drugs at all. Not even once.

    3. Re:Two words: by edibobb · · Score: 2

      He might not be nuts. He might be laughing his head off at all the people he suckered into believing this story.

      Or he could be a nut job.

    4. Re:Two words: by detritus. · · Score: 2

      "CIA agent."

  2. If he wasn't in trouble before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He certainly is now.

    If I were in charge, I would send him to Belize as a show of good faith.

    1. Re:If he wasn't in trouble before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Beware of geeks bearing gifts.

    2. Re:If he wasn't in trouble before by Goaway · · Score: 2

      He's in trouble, all right, but the trouble is mostly inside his head.

  3. Slashbloat by OffTheLip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The amount of coverage McAfee has received on Slashdot and other "news" sources rivals the bloat his software adds to a system. Nothing to see here, move along.

    1. Re:Slashbloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You just wish Peter Norton was this awesome. Fucking superspy.

    2. Re:Slashbloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just wait until he blogs about bribing his way out of Belize with BitCoin.

    3. Re:Slashbloat by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean the Peter Norton who hasn't been caught yet?

    4. Re:Slashbloat by poity · · Score: 2

      And also, "milking" implies coaxing/persuading stuff out of people. This is just data theft (or "fraudulently gaining access to other's private information", if you're anal about that)

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    5. Re:Slashbloat by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      McAfee serves the role as the Lindsay Lohan of the Geek World. Poor folks love to read about rich folks looking like dumb-asses by finding unfeasible trouble to get themselves into.

      Most of us hear have not become billionaires with our work in the tech industry. It's sometimes refreshing to hear that, despite them having billions, they still do dorky things.

      Or something like that . . .

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    6. Re:Slashbloat by stox · · Score: 2

      No one knows when you are a good spy!

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    7. Re:Slashbloat by gentryx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps Peter Northon is more for you.

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    8. Re:Slashbloat by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      He presents evidence that Iran (Hezbollah) is building up a supply of ricin gas in the US, preparatory for a large-scale attack.

      That's newsworthy, assuming he isn't completely making everything up.

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    9. Re:Slashbloat by OneAhead · · Score: 2

      Ricin is not a gas. It's a protein, which makes it difficult to get into gaseous phase without decomposing (at least on a larger scale than a mass spectrometer).

      Also, that's quite the assumption you're making there.

  4. Not possible. by iceworks · · Score: 2

    I have to call BS, I live along the border of Belize and nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE can you find electronics that cheap. Electronics are gold in these countries.

    1. Re:Not possible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I generally live in Belize 1/4 of the year now, and its certainly possible to get Chinese generic laptops very cheap here. Much cheaper than in America.

    2. Re:Not possible. by CdBee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm inclined to agree, also because I suspect the kind of mindset who would actually DO this isn't the sort of person who would ever admit it - not least because he's forever besmirched his chance of ever doing it again. I suspect McAfee's suffering the after effects of various experimental chemicals, or delusions brought on by withdrawal symptoms

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    3. Re:Not possible. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> Chinese generic laptops very cheap here

      Plus they come preloaded with spyware.

    4. Re:Not possible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If only there were a way to detect such things -- you know, some sort of program that can locate and maybe even remove the offending code. Someone who could produce and sell such a thing would surely do well...

    5. Re:Not possible. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      In "The Hacker Crackdown" (a great book, for those who haven't read it), the author interviewed and profiled various hackers. He found every single one of them was eager to brag and tell what they'd done. The hacker mindset seems to be that you want to brag about it.

      Understandably I guess, you feel really awesome when you've done something that (you think) few people can do.

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  5. Possible alternative explanation by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    He might consider a new career as a movie producer — this blog post is fictional.

    FTFH?

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  6. Trusting anti-virus producers by maestroX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After the rumours that av producers were also producing virii, at least this confirms McAfee antivirus cannot be trusted.
    No doubt J McAfee will explain his actions as totally justified and honourable.

  7. Hmm by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, let me get this straight: John McAfee is the founding-father of a large anti-virus company, he's worked with Zonelabs on their firewall software and so on, and then in the end he ends up doing exactly the same thing he's tried to protect people from -- namely, installing keyloggers and spying on everything they type on their computers?

    1. Re:Hmm by CdBee · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was Ok though - he supplied McAfee AV on each of the laptops

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    2. Re:Hmm by Gaygirlie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >So, let me get this straight.
      "Gaygirlie", you don't seem to have the best suited nick for the job.

      Touché, my dear, touché.

    3. Re:Hmm by hawk · · Score: 2

      More seriously, is there any reason to believe that he wouldn't do the same thing with the software he sells--the ultimate trojan on your machine . . .

      hawk

    4. Re:Hmm by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Because he has nothing to do with McAfee the company anymore. He says he doesn't even like their software.....

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  8. Please can we stop it with the John McAfee stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This first one was interesting but seriously; does Slashdot need to 're-blog' everything he says and does?

  9. If John could be so kind as to by nimbius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    explain how he sidestepped a murder charge from a soverign nation and has since remained unaccountable as to the history of his seventeen year old female companion and alleged methamphetamine production operation, I believe slashdot can finally put "the amazing adventures of John McAfee" back on the bookshelf.

    There is nothing about this entire series of unfortunate events that shouldnt warrant immediate extradition to Belize, where he can face his accusors in a court of law and presumably vindicate himself. Otherwise this is an indignant millionaires whitewash campaign to secure his innocence through astroturf and puffery. Unfortunately Mr McAfee wasnt found accused of these crimes in say, the Soviet Union or China, both countries willing to mail a dead millionaire back to his respective embassy for nothing short of a Benny-Hill approach to their criminal justice system.

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    1. Re:If John could be so kind as to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I wouldnt particularly trust any western court to vindicate me on minor issues I think a man who has royally pissed of the powers that be in a 2nd world country is wise to stay as far away from "justice" as he possibly can. The only difference between multinational corporate bully boys and sovereign nations is that one thinks its above the law and lets everyone know it, while the other knows its above the law and would rather people thought otherwise.

      This is why we have a man who had consentual sex with two women, and then was told specifically by a cheif prosecutor he had no case to answer and was free to leave the country holed up in a london embassy being painted as a fugitive rapist on the run from the "law"

  10. McAfee is not a drug addict by dnaumov · · Score: 3, Informative

    As someone who knows many drug addicts and used to be one himself over 15 years ago: John McAfee's blog is not the writing of a drug addict. Either he is as clear from drugs as he says he is or he has someone else write the stuff for him.

    1. Re:McAfee is not a drug addict by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know, Philip K. Dick or Hunter S. Thompson could have wrote that in their sleep. :D

      Hell, it reads almost like one of Dick's short stories.

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    2. Re:McAfee is not a drug addict by Psyborgue · · Score: 2

      I lived in Ireland for three years. By US standards, they're mostly all alcoholics (by their standards, we're prudes). After work it's customary to go to the pub and it's not looked down upon to get drunk, even to the point of throwing up. I don't even think the Irish are bothered by the stereotype. It's just their culture. Nothing racist about it.

    3. Re:McAfee is not a drug addict by H0p313ss · · Score: 2

      It's just their culture. Nothing racist about it.

      Q: "Why did God create Whisky?"
      A: "To prevent the Irish from taking over the world."

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  11. Sounds rather self-incriminating to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or not?

    I mean spyware on other people's computers sounds pretty criminal to me.

    1. Re:Sounds rather self-incriminating to me... by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 2

      Hey, they were free gifts to those people given one. And no one forced any of them to just trust it and not manually wipe and re-install a known clean OS.

  12. Why is nobody stating the obvious? by dills · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is clearly bullshit.

    At every turn, he attaches quantities to resources:

    75 cheap laptops
    23 women
    6 men
    8 of the women lived with him
    2 people in the Nicaraguan Hezbollah camp
    3 people in Mexico dealing with the Zetas

    The only "evidence" supporting his story are his "so easy to fake my kids could it" screenshots and audio files.

    I think the original assessment stands: This is a guy who has snorted waaaay too much MPDV, is seeing shadow men in bushes, and killed his neighbor in retaliation for his neighbor killing his dog.

    He escaped the country via a combination of his charisma, money, and the ineptitude of the Belize law enforcement.

    This is all just a retroactive attempt at explaining why the Belize government would want to frame him. Look, it's simple...why would Belize kill his neighbor to frame McAfee, when they could simply just kill McAfee instead?

    Paranoid bullshit, and so obviously so.

  13. There is no murder (or other) charge yet by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Informative

    explain how he sidestepped a murder charge from a soverign nation

    He didn't. He is a person of interested wanted for questioning, not a charged criminal. If he was a charged criminal, fleeing to the US wouldn't help, as the US has an extradition treaty with Belize that provides for the extradition of criminals charged with any of a wide array of crimes, including, naturally, as #1 on the list, murder.

    There is nothing about this entire series of unfortunate events that shouldnt warrant immediate extradition to Belize

    You mean, other than the fact that Belize hasn't criminally charged him with anything, much less anything subject to the extradition treaty with the US?

    Unfortunately Mr McAfee wasnt found accused of these crimes in say, the Soviet Union or China

    Or, for that matter, anywhere else. Because he hasn't actually been charged with any crimes, anywhere.

  14. Precis by smugfunt · · Score: 3, Informative
    To summarise:
    After the GSU raid on McAfee's Orange Walk compound he decided to go on the offensive.
    He gave away 75 cheap laptops complete with keyloggers and backdoors to key people in the GOB. He backed these up with human spies.
    Things he claims or implies to have discovered:
    • Prime Minister Dean Barrow ordered the murder of Arthur Young, an uppity Belize City gang leader who died in police custody last year. channel 5
    • Minister John Saldivar heads an operation smuggling Lebanese Hezbollah operatives into the US. 10 per month. (One was caught in Mexico last year: channel 7)
    • Hezbollah have a base in Nicaragua where they are mass producing ricin.
    • Hezbollah are using the Zetas to smuggle the ricin into the US.
    1. Re:Precis by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Most of those are independently verifiable except for the small details (the exact person who did it, for example). We know Arthur Young was killed, and we know Hezbollah operatives are being smuggled to the US, and that Iran has ties to Mexican gangs. Naming those people will likely cause problems for them inside their own country, but nothing more.

      The biggest thing here is that Iran/Hezbollah is sneaking manufacturing ricin and bringing it into the US for an attack. If he's right, we're either going to see another terrorist attack soon (despite the heroism of the TSA), or we're going to see a massive arrest of terrorists possessing sarin. 10 people at a time is a LOT.

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  15. One word. by hey! · · Score: 2

    Asshole.

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  16. the story is a bit more complicated. in the 80s by decora · · Score: 2

    the rise of the 'computer virus' was not as clean cut as we remember it. there were people who actively 'played' the 'news cycle' of the day to promote the idea of huge virus attacks. McAfee was just another one of these.

    The problems come when some people start wondering --- where exactly did the viruses come from in the first place. Now there is no evidence that McAfee wrote viruses or spread malware --- but here we can see that he has no moral qualms about doing it. Hence - his entire 80s business was not built around protecting people, it was about something else (making money? technical challenge?).

    The other parts of his history are as interesting - look up the Pow Wow software, where was involved in the creation of a corporation run by Native Americans, including it in marketing materials on the website. Turns out there were no natives on the dev team nor on the management nor anywhere else. IT was likely just for a tax break or maybe just plain old racism.

    John's next feat was to become a 'spiritual adviser' and he wrote several new age books under a fake name. He would charge people huge sums of money to come be 'spiritual' with him at his retreat.

    So .... to some this latest twist might be gob smacking. To others, its just fucking John being a fucking sociopath. And the thing about sociopaths? They never change.

  17. Ya pretty much by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can believe in corrupt police framing people, heck we've seen them do it across the globe. I can believe in corrupt police murdering people, again, we've seen it. But why would they murder someone, to frame someone else? That seems like a "supervillian" move, meaning needlessly complex to achieve the actual goal. Just murder the person you want killed and be done with it.

    There is just no credibility to this guy.

    Also, as a practical matter, if what he says about all this information grabbing is true, he's probably guilty of a bunch of computer crimes in Belize too. He certainly would be in the US. You can't just go and keylog people because you want to.

  18. you only hear about blabbers by SuperBanana · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is one of the places where the story rings false. Given any 30 people involved in full-time spying on dozens of other people, it is _inevitable_ that at least one of them would notify the police of this operation. Not only because the activity is illegal

    You only hear about the cases where people blab...

    Also: people blab when it's in their perceived interests. If you live in a country where leadership is bumping off political protesters, there is much less self interest in admitting that you've been helping some rich American engage in espionage. The problem with being brutal and corrupt is that a)it makes people hate you b)it is excellent incentive to not blab about things you're doing against the government.

    There also can be plenty of blabbing, just not to anyone who is in power or those associated with them. Information doesn't flow freely - it tends to be like the ocean, with thermoclines representing class/power levels, political affiliation, religion, language, etc. Damn near everyone in a city who works as an office cleaner could know that Joe Big Bank Executive is banging his secretary after-hours, for example.

    An even better example would probably be DC. I bet there's all sorts of bullshit that everyone in political/diplomatic circles in DC knows about, but your average person off the street doesn't.

  19. I always thought... by ebcdic · · Score: 2

    ... that the people with the most interest in putting malware on computers were the very same people who sold you software to remove it. So I don't find this in the least surprising.

  20. Can't wait for the movie... by raftpeople · · Score: 4, Funny

    starring Gary Buse as John McAfee

  21. Re:Time for a CIA Drone attack. by Omnifarious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would like to extend the mandate for drone killings to people who decide that people should be killed because they're irritating.

  22. Reminds me... by JasoninKS · · Score: 2

    This is all starting to remind me a bit of Randy Quaid. Formerly relatively sane, had a decent career and money, and now going completely nuts. Telling all kinds of stories on conspiracies and how people are out to get him. (although in this case they really do want McAfee)

    Makes me wonder (besides the obvious drugs) what flips in someones head to make them bonkers like this.