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Cisco Exits the Consumer Market, Sells Linksys To Belkin
Krystalo writes "Belkin on Thursday announced plans to acquire Cisco's Home Networking Business Unit, including its products, technology, employees, and even the well-known Linksys brand. Belkin says it plans to maintain the Linksys brand and will offer support for Linksys products as part of the transaction, financial details for which were not disclosed. This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers: Belkin says it will honor all valid warranties for current and future Linksys products. After the transaction closes, Belkin will account for approximately 30 percent of the U.S. retail home and small business networking market."
Wonderful, now there's no good router on the market.
The Linksys stuff took a nose dive in both reliability and software quality under Cisco's steerage. Belkin does better for some things though they are spotty on others. They are a very large player and I hope they unfuck what cisco's been fucking up.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
What does this mean for the non-IOS/NXOS devices with roots at Linksys, did Chambers and company finally realize that they were diluting and tarnishing their name by slapping the Cisco logo on such utter crap?
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Cisco is to the consumer market what Oracle is to Java.
I was always confused with where Linksys belonged under Cisco. The not quite SOHO, not quite SME limbo was reflected on some of their decisions. Well, this just proves Cisco has no idea what to do with the general consumer market (E.G. The Flip).
If computers were people, I'd be a misanthrope.
Since the linksys branding to Cisco, is there a cheat sheet explaining which VoIP products are linksys and which are Cisco?
I think I speak for many who have worked with 'Belkin' equipment when I say...
"Fuck."
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
This is definitley a net improvement in quality for both Cisco and Belkin.
Everybody wins!
Linksys has always been, and will always be, a POS. Moving to Cisco made it even worse. Belkin wasn't any better, but at least they were cheaper. For my money, I prefer the Netgear home switch products. As my Linksys garbage fails, I replace with Netgear, and my problems disappear.
Indeed. Belkin has been on my "do not buy" list ever since the spam router fiasco. Then again, I guess it's fitting, after Linksys' Cloud Connect WTF.
On the other hand, anything that won't run DD-WRT, Tomato, or OpenWRT is on my "do not buy" list anyway...
Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
Netgear is what I'd consider the exception to that. Everything I have from Netgear has been reliable.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is usually crucified.
Cisco sells Linksys
Yay!
...to Belkin
What in the actual fuck?
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>'This should be a relatively smooth transition that won't affect current customers"
Every time some corporate droid has told me this regarding a {buyout, merger, acquisition, sale, re-org} a major cockup has followed. The only thing worse is when they use the phrase, "transparent to the end user," and you know the apocalypse is coming next week.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
It really depends what you're trying to do. D-Link's low-power gigabit switches are great, for a dumb switch, and most home users really don't need a managed switch. Sucking down only around 8 watts of power, they're nice and cool to the touch and pretty hard to beat. I also have an old D-Link 802.11g router that has travelled around the world with me, giving me wireless internet in the hotels that only provided wired. It's nothing fancy, but small and has gotten the job done, and has stood up to all the baggage handlers that have thrown it.
Linksys, eh, some of it's ok, some of it's crap. My main router is an old WRT54G or GL (It runs Linux, but I think it might be the early G before they split them into G/GL). The radio on it died some time ago, but the router portion still works OK and has survived several power issues that have killed my cable modems. One of these days I'll get around to configuring the Cisco that's sitting in the garage, but so far I haven't cared enough to bother with it.
Belkin, I decided all of it was crap the day I bought one and tried to change the internal IP to something other than the default 192.168.1.1, and it told me I couldn't. I called their tech support and they told me that was by design. I told them it was a crappy design, and returned the POS.
Surprisingly, some of the best (for the price) consumer gear I've used is the AirLink101 that Fry's used to sell. It was cheap, had decent build quality, and generally had all the features I really needed at 1/3 or less the price of Linksys.
I can't comment on Buffalo as I haven't used their stuff.
Well... netgear is "ok", but for example the last router/ap from netgear I replaced with an airport extreme. I went frm having barely any signal at the other end of the house to 3 bars... Running a Cisco router at home at the moment, if you don't want to pay retail, check ebay.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
what about the CiscoPad iPad-killer tablet that they were gonna sell? Was it not a success?
That wasn't a consumer device, and not it was not.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
What exactly is it lacking? Or do you just like to justify your own outrageously expensive "enterprise class" router purchases by slamming the common "consumer class" products?
I seriously would like to know if I'm actually missing anything of major importance, because my modded WRT54GL seems to be satisfying my own needs quite well over the years.
I've never had anything from them that worked as it should. Ever. I keep occasionally buying the odd thing - and I think, 'this has to work, they can't all be bad' - and its the same.
The worst gear and brand in my list of bad gear. I may be unlucky, but the stuff is junk, utter junk in my use thus far.
I wasn't really talking about the routers (though most of them are crap, overheating problems abound, firmware is terrible, the whole cloud management fiasco, etc) but more things like the switches. I hear time and again from colleges that have to deal with clients with unmanaged or web "managed" switches that aren't working for whatever reason and where the consultant can't diagnose anything because the tools aren't there, the clients of course come back with "but I bought a Cisco, I was told they were the best!" Heck, our own telecom guy got suckered into that game, he told the VAR he needed an inexpensive Cisco switch for a midsized branch office, he was sold a Linksys unit with a Cisco badge, five dead ports and no ability to troubleshoot the issues later (probably $10k in lost productivity and IT time) and we finally had a real unit bought and sent to the location and haven't had a problem with it in 3 years.
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Ever wonder why some companies seem to constantly be involved in acquisitions and dispositions, esp. companies whose organic growth has slowed to zero? It's because acquisitions/dispositions are a great way to create cookie jar charge-offs to hide underperformance of a company's core business. Now you see it, now you don't.
Amen! Good riddance, indeed!
You were very confused, Linksys was a tiny gnat compared to Cisco when Cisco did the acquisition, Linksys cost Cisco $500M which was less than half of their net income for the quarter in which the deal closed. Hell, two years later they swallowed Scientific Atlantic which cost $6.9B.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
This is more of a problem with people who don't see the up front value in someone who knows networking. Anybody who knows networking should be able to differentiate between an unmanaged, web-managed, and managed switch.
It frustrates the hell out of me to see people cheap out on the upfront cost and get upset when I have to charge them for all the time it takes to fix things. God forbid they listen to my recommendations.
Cheap storage VM.
No good consumer router on the market? Are you MAD?
http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax
Over 1million PPS. Based on a forked Vyatta, running on a dual core MIPS64 Cavium Octeon with IPv4 (and soon IPv6) hardware offload, with a debian base. You can apt-get install from the MIPS repos all day.
Check the Tolly Report here: http://dl.ubnt.com/Tolly212127UbiquitiEdgeRouterLitePricePerformance.pdf, where it beat a Cisco 3925 and Juniper J6350 into the ground.
Total cost for these buggers? $99. Warning, they are on backorder with all the distributors until roughly middle of Feb.
Oh, and you're welcome.
Well there goes quality. Anything left?
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
Yeah, I have a site that has a WG302. The certificate expired after 3 years, in 2010. How did I know the cert expired? Because the whole thing stopped working. I set the clock back to 2006 and turned off time sync to get it to work. You can still buy them, but they won't work unless they think it is pre-2010. I wouldn't call a router reliable when it shuts down because it has the correct time.
I will not buy netgear because of requiring a internet connection to configure it. I should be able to configure it before I hook it up to any network.
I have this rock here that keeps lions away....
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
"I will not buy netgear because of requiring a internet connection to configure it. I should be able to configure it before I hook it up to any network."
I am pretty sure it was Cisco that did that to their LinkSys products, not Netgear.
I could be wrong. Maybe Netgear did it too. But I've had Netgear routers before and never had to connect to the internet to configure them.
I have been using Mikrotik routers for the last few years.
MikroTik has very reasonable offerings and very good, highly customizable software with amazing support.
I have nothing to do with them, I just love my routerboards!
www.routerboard.com
Check it out!
> "Belkin says it plans to maintain the Linksys brand and will offer support for Linksys products as part of the transaction,"
Belkin says it really sucks to have to maintain the Linksys brand and offer support for Linksys products, but the law requires this at least for the guarantee period, so they will have to comply. What happens afterward is, as always, not a topic for a spokeperson. That would be something worth saying, and it's against the rules of a spokeperson, who never say anything useful or that we don't know already."
In an attempt to save some money for my business I bought several WAP4410N's in my office to provide wireless networking. They worked great, the setup was easy, they had good range and nice functionality, they were even quite cheap.
So, based on my good experiences with the AP's, I decided to use them in one of our other offices. I bought three of them and configured them like the first ones I bought. None of them worked..... They crashed at random (but at least a couple of times each day), multiple SSID's did work, RADIUS failed. After some research I realized that the sticker underneath the AP's said "V2", the first ones I bought said "V1". It turns out that Cisco had done "something" to the hardware and called it version 2.
Contacting Cisco was meaningless, the only answer I got was "Yes, we know it does not work, you should have bought something more expensive from us". Hopefully Belkin has a bit more respect for its customers.
...they get other companies to make it and slap the Belkin name on it.
Therefore anything you buy from them has the potential to be anywhere from crap to first-rate, with a price tag of from anywhere to kind of expensive to really expensive.
So I only buy their stuff used or off of closeout tables.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
...can be much improved by adding a little cooling fan internally
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/CF-392/12VDC-40MM-COOLING-FAN/1.html
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
From experience w\ their units since way, Way, WAY back -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42689493 thru the BEFSR11 initial original release, right into the BEFSX41 unit I use & have been using for nearly a decade++ now (both 'wired' models).
* :)
APK
P.S.=> For a "consumer-grade" router? It's got an excellent feature-set...
... apk
Their "small business" product lines can be very poor, too.
We kitted out a small office with Cisco equipment not long ago. Our expectation was that with Cisco behind it and paying professional-level prices we'd get something with professional-level reliability and support, a cut above the consumer-level junk where just about everyone's devices seem to have poor reliability and/or limited functionality.
The reality is that some of the Cisco equipment just didn't work properly. Firmware updates for some of the devices took a long time to arrive, or in some cases never appeared at all. Some of the products got EOL'd or sold off within a year or two, and it seems like a significant number of "Cisco" products are actually just rebadged products from another vendor with nerfed firmware anyway, even at this level.
Also, as a small business guy doing all the IT, I wouldn't even know who at Cisco to contact for support or how to reach them. We theoretically have an N year warranty, but there's basically no information included with the products about how to take advantage of it, and the Cisco web site is hopeless. All I need is a phone number I can call with the type of product and serial number to get some advice or report a problem, preferably within one click of the home page, but that appears to be beyond their ability. Of course, you can open a support case on-line if you have an expensive service contract, but we don't, and since numerous people have reported similar problems to ours and they never seem to get fixed, it's not clear that such a contract is worth anything anyway.
We now buy mostly consumer kit again, because it seems that even if you pay a premium for Cisco small business kit, what you get is actually as bad or worse as consumer tat. We've found isolated really good products from other suppliers, but they tend to be in niche markets rather than across-the-board kind of product ranges. For example, DrayTek seem to make very good ADSL routers and related devices at this kind of level. If they offered a wider product range of the same quality with basic small office level switches, wireless receivers/range extenders, and so on, we'd switch over in a heartbeat, but sadly they don't.
I am very keen to hear of positive experiences with other pro-grade equipment on a small business or serious SOHO kind of level from different vendors. When we were looking before, there didn't appear to be too many suppliers competing in that market, which was surprising and might have changed more recently.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
I bought my mother-in-law a $80 Belkin for Christmas and it needs resets every couple of weeks.
This has been my roughly my experience with Belkin equipment. It always seems to be a little bit unreliable. I realize my experience is entirely anecdotal but I've bought probably a dozen various bits of Belkin gear (usb hubs, switches, charging gear, etc) over the years and I've had small but irritating problems with most of them. A few simply didn't work at all. It's one of those things where I just don't trust their brand anymore even if they actually might have a good product.
I think I know why they're selling. It's the cost of maintaining that huge worldwide network of free, open wireless access points under the "Linksys" SSID...
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
You are obviously too small of a business for Cisco.
Don't be absurd. You can't possibly determine that from just the information I posted, and somehow I doubt you speak for Cisco or know anything the rest of us don't about their intended market segmentation anyway.
Regardless, we're a small business, using functionality that is beyond most consumer-level equipment, but we're not running offices spanning entire large buildings or multiple sites. Cisco has an entire product range branded "small business", and a bunch of devices with specs on a similar level even if they're not explicitly branded that way. If their products worked, they would meet our needs just fine.
We do have a "proper managed switch". In fact, it's the one Cisco "small business" level device we've bought that actually works properly. Shame about the wireless, NAS, etc.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
You can get enterprise class equipment under $100, although around $100 to $150 is more reasonable. The home equipment just can't keep up with higher speed connections in my experience. Sometimes they slow things down without people realizing it, sometimes they lock up and need a reset (inconvenient if I'm trying to remote in from work). I use pfsense on Alix, but mikrotik and ubiquiti are very good choices for home and small business.
List of lacking features in consumer class routers (that many would find useful)
* multiple subnets
*vlan
* utilization graphs (have you hit your cap?)
*VPN (sometimes they support an awful proprietary implementation)
*readable logs
Cheap storage VM.
I wish their security camera product was as successful. At customers where the IT department runs the security systems we have to talk them out of buying the Cisco video system. It's not too hard, since we can sell them Milestone or Lenel video with 4 times the capability, and which runs on commodity hardware, for half the price, but it's still an extra hoop to jump through. Worst piece of crap system in the industry, and close to the most expensive. Tremendously bad support, too.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Don't forget D-Link. They have some products that are brutal but they also have many that are great. Like most products, when they first come out with firmware version 1.0, they aren't any good until a version or 2.
My opinion may be bias on this one since I worked for the company for a little while. On the other hand, I own D-Link, Linksys and Buffalo hardware and find them all to be the same level of quality (end user quality)
I think they certainly DID realize what they had, and it terrified them to think that hobbyists could slap together a better product than they could. According to the Cisco corporate game plan, if you want a decent piece of gear you should have to pay through the nose for the hardware, and then sell your children to get them installed and configured.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
Fair enough... I guess stability and reliability may be a problem (certainly was on my old POS Netgear, but my WRT54GL runs like a dream). My connection is not very high speed, so I guess I don't have to worry about even my aging router being able to catch up with it--but with all the power consumer-level equipment is packed with these days I'd be surprised if the latest routers couldn't keep up with very fast connections. As for features... much of that is in DD-WRT and Tomato and easily accessible. Honestly, the biggest problem I've noticed with it is the speed of its [megabit] Ethernet ports... but I don't normally have two machines wired to it and sending large files back and forth, so for now that's not even a big deal.
It's funny.... I was sitting here thinking about the Cisco Small Business switches (SG-300 series) I have running flawlessly in my slightly bigger than small business (~300 ports). I was even able to get them to VLAN and Port Channel with a Nexus switch.
However, I've never tried to use any of their other equipment (My phone system is an actual phone system, my wifi is from Aruba and my NAS is from NetApp).
Life has many choices. Eternity has two. What's yours?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088CJT4U/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00
Put openwrt on this thing and it really works well. Thanks to the Atheros chipset, which is really quite good now on kernels Linux 3.6 or better.
-Hack
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
I have no modpoints so I thought I'd write you a genuine response to your question. For the record, I seldom moderate your posts.
You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude.
Despite this advice you are convinced that your comments are valuable contributions, ignoring the obvious evidence to the contrary (namely the -1 scores your posts earn on a regular basis).
I posit that /. readers do not actively dislike you so much as find what you post tiresome and not worth the effort to read or respond to. Posting as anonymous so I can't see your response without monitoring the thread doesn't help your case either.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
My god, you really are completely beyond hope. Seldom have I seen someone with such an enormously high opinion of themselves.
There's clearly something very wrong with your brain.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Wow Sardaukar86, you have your very own personal troll. Were can I buy one?
Without a matching list of posts from people who do not share your inflated opinion of yourself, the above lists are little more than confirmation bias on your part.
Please continue calling me names and saying silly things. I quite enjoy how it weakens your argument and supports my supposition that you are mentally ill and in need of help.
Oh and out of curiosity, why don't you have a /. account? Why post as AC? Are you behind a corporate firewall perhaps?
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Heh, I think I probably deserve this one. Apparently APK didn't take too kindly to being genuinely responded to when he asked why he was being downmodded. I'll have to remember to keep my comments strictly abusive when replying to him in future!
Serves me right for poking at it with a stick I guess.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Yes, yes, nice rant. You can go on to claim you 'shot me down in flames' if you like, but you're seemingly incapable of addressing the point I raise. Show me I'm wrong without the spittle flying, please - I'm all ears.
You suggest that I am guilty of libel because I believe you to be mentally ill, because I am not qualified to diagnose your condition. That is a specious argument that once again shows your lack of rationality. Would you argue that one needs to be a chicken to know a bad egg? That one need be a microprocessor engineer to operate a computer? I would think not, however I imagine you'll have come up with some interesting mental gymnastics in an attempt to demonstrate the invalidity of the argument, as is typical of someone suffering some form of schizophrenia. Your online behaviour can be seen by all for the erratic foolishness it is. (This is your cue to bring up your '244' examples without really understanding your own argument; you may then of course chalk this up to another of your 'down in flames' moments of fantasy you seem to enjoy so much)
I see you also like to call me 'illiterate', yet the very fact that I can read, understand and question you about your name-calling seems to escape you. Once again you demonstrate the dead-end, circular logic that smacks of mental instability. Perhaps you are yourself projecting here? I suggest you consult a dictionary on the use of the word to avoid future embarrassment.
The way you consider your word-salad wailings to be a 'victory' is a great source of personal enjoyment for me. I encourage you to continue believing that you leave your adversaries with the 'bitter taste of defeat' and keep the lulz coming.
Oh and finally, why don't you answer my question regarding your account/AC status?
PS: In all honesty I don't 'troll' you as AC. I call you out as myself when I find one of your little spasms too irresistible to pass up.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
LMAO - "Inquiring minds want to know"...
Yours is a diseased mind. You simply cannot answer my questions and in failing to do so have proven my prediction correct. You walked right into it.
I'm sorry, but (in your words) you fail.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
You are now displaying yet another sign of insanity: the inability to recognise one's own hypocrisy. Do you even remember who was calling who names throughout every post? Do you remember?
No, of course you don't. It never happened, did it, because you are schizophrenic. You've disassociated yourself with reality because you can't face it. Look at your posts - nothing but the same slathering ramblings repeated over and over. You can't face my questions any more than you can form a cogent argument. Well done, APK, you've proven my point again, again, again and again; you need some help.
You are simply not capable of holding a coherent discussion. Admit it, your brain is simply not up to the task. This is no longer opinion, you have provided us with clear evidence: look at your last few posts to me - you are incapable of engaging in intelligent discourse.
Your level of fail is beyond epic and of truly impressive proportions. Your fail-worthiness is all the more delicious because this is how you attack other people! HAHA! I love it! Don't forget to accuse me of projection now! Keep the belly-laughs coming!
Oh, and by the way, why don't you answer my question regarding your account/AC status?
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
You keep ignoring the substance of my posts and respond with the same faulty logic. Do you really need to further prove that you are incapable of coherent argument? I think you've made that point by now.
In failing to respond and continuing to claim your irrelevant rantings as 'blowing me away' whilst ignoring my points and shying away from my questions, you confirm your lack of ability to meaningfully engage in discussion.
In particular, you have no response to my arguments regarding your repeated use of the 244:1 list you have so painstakingly constructed. Furthermore, you then hold this silliness up as some sort of victory, further evidence of your mental incompetence.
Oh, and by the way, what's the deal with your account/AC status?
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Well done, you missed the point again. If you look back through your responses I think you'll find it is you who comes across as the one who relies upon ad hominen to make your points.
Do yourself a favor - realize this: You're VERY EASY to outthink, outsmart, & yes, outclass...
I'm curious, how do you consider yourself to have outclassed me when you have failed to provide meaningful answers beyond screeds of name-calling and other childishness?
Was it when you called me illiterate and I responded with a reasoned argument that you couldn't get your head around?
Was it when you accused me of off-topic ad hominen and I simply referred you to your own foul-mouth ravings in this very thread? You responded by bringing in older posts unrelated to this discussion. How does this make you any less of a hypocrite? Oh wait, you don't know, because your rational thought is drowned out by your madness. Do you really feel you outclass me when anyone can see you have a very basic level of reading and writing comprehension? I very obviously have a far better command of the English language than you yourself do, yet you choose to blatantly and shamefully ignore this and go on to ice the cake by calling me illiterate. The only logical conclusion I can draw is that your madness is fouling up your reasoning. Again.
Oh, and as for accusing me of posting AC in the middle of this discussion, perhaps with your self-described mental prowess you can explain why I would choose to do so? As you are aware I am quite capable of calling you names and will happily do so if it suits my purposes; I need no AC to back me up. Your posts are modded down by the /. community in nearly every case and after all your years of contribution you have amassed only a small list of contrary examples. You seal your incompetence by then claiming (Pyrrhic) victory over me with this and seem incapable of understanding how feeble this makes you look.
The collecting of unrelated pieces of information and the evaluation of this information as the basis for conspiracy is simply another example of your insanity. Keep 'em coming!
Oh, and why don't you have an account? Why do you post AC?
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
"You keep ignoring the substance of my posts and respond with the same faulty logic." - by Sardaukar86 (850333) on Sunday January 27, @05:36PM (#42710485) Homepage
Yea, ok... "Riiiiggghhhttt" (sarcasm) - answer the question above & do the math, & tell us another one... lol!
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What math would you have me do? What question would you have me answer? That 243 > 1? If so, you have once again failed to understand my very simple point, made when you first trotted that list out. I'll spell it out for you again: your list is statistically irrelevant because you have provided no basis of comparison. In its present form it proves nothing but your own confirmation bias. Why do you continue to fail to understand this simple point?
It's not even an "argument" when you killed yourself from the very start... see the link above, "rinse, lather, & repeat", troll!
LMAO, I mean, seriously - you made MY point for me, see link above - YOU CAN'T EVEN FACE YOU ARE OUTNUMBERED vs. YOUR OPINION of my posts, vs. your /. peers opinions I can post in seconds to dust you with them...
Thanks, I suppose, for MAKING ME LOOK GOOD, every single time you try this crap!
Again, you just don't get it. I'm happy to face whatever actual truth you can come up with. What you still aren't getting is that when you compare apples to oranges and claim victory, you prove nothing besides your own lack of understanding. Lol indeed.
Nothing painstaking about it - /.'ers did it for me & yes, I need to repeat it - so it "sinks in" & pisses you off SO BADLY, you *try* to get in "the last word" so I just toss your own FAIL back in your face - yes, it's THAT simple, & you made it so... lol!
Tell me more about this fantasy world of yours, where people take your silly remarks seriously enough to actually get upset? The only times you've irritated me is when you pop into a worthwhile discussion spouting your stupidity and childishness, disrupting the conversation. That's when you're just a distraction, like a mosquito. You'll note I don't generally try to argue with you in those circumstances. It seems you're determined to be too simplistic to differentiate the two. Do you also have trouble with reality when watching TV shows and movies? Have you ever thought you might be Jesus? I wouldn't be surprised.
I see NO REAL BENEFIT in "chasing karma points" & IF/WHEN I have something nice to say to others? I do it directly, via replies to their posts when & where appropriate... so, what's YOUR point?
... apk
Who said anything about karma?
There are plenty of other benefits to using a registered account on /. - you can look them up yourself. I think the real reason is that you'd end up posting at -1 rather than 0 as you do when AC, because the /. crowd would very promptly show you exactly how valuable your contributions really are.
You don't want to log in because then you'd have to face the reality that despite your silly little list, the majority here find you tiresome and an extreme bore. Facing reality isn't your strong suit, so here we are. Still.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Hmm, it's obvious now that you're not able to break out of your schizophrenic circle.
I'm not sure there's much to be gained from attempting to explore this further. You seem to be unreasonable, irrational and clearly mentally incapable of holding a coherent thread or even attempting to logically rebut an argument. That said, I wasn't expecting much more, but I'll admit to being a little disappointed that you really are as two-dimensional as you appear. I'm glad I took this time to understand you better, it has been an interesting experiment and thanks for playing.
Oh, I know, this won't be the end of it for you by a long shot. I'm fully expecting you to howl on and on because you genuinely think that you have beaten me.
Shot me down. In flames.
KILLED me.
Forced me to eat my words.
Called me out with my foot in my mouth, etc.
I like that you think that, I understand that you can't conceive of anything outside of this simplistic dualism of yours and I really wouldn't have it any other way. Where'd be the fun in that? :-)
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Now, what was that YOU SAID about "hypocrisy", idiot?
Oh I almost forgot, this was my favourite bit! You couldn't have pulled it off more neatly and you don't even see it!
Explanation for you APK: you accused me of ad hominen, I said that was hypocritical because you have proven your inability to make an argument without ad hominen. Naturally, your response was to instead accuse me of hypocrisy (not much imagination going on here) but then you added an ad hominen attack! Isn't it just gorgeous?
What's even more delicious is that even after having the details spelled out for you as I have done, you won't accept them because your madness is in control of you. You are the one that has to live with that in your head whilst I enjoy a normal life. I have especially enjoyed watching you unwittingly rant yourself into a frenzy of spittle for my entertainment.
I'm sure I'll get some great mileage out of you my good friend. :-)
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
He's shown the crowd here says he posts well http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and all you have's your offtopic trolling. Nothing of value. In case you haven't noticed, you're outnumbered 245 to 1 and what you have is ad hominem attacks on his mental state which you are not qualified to judge by any means.
Is it purely for my own amusement, APK, that you find yourself compelled to carry out the very act you accuse me of? Otherwise, this would appear to make you a hypocrite, at least according to my understanding of the word.
Either way, you're lulz-a-minute according to my camp, keep 'em coming! :-)
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
That list of his is more than you have by far. You're an idiot troll.
Hmm, I do wonder exactly who this clever character could be, he who assails me out of nowhere to defend the good character of his colleague APK?
I love your style my friend, you keep me smiling. :)
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Nuked?
What on earth are you on about? Have you forgotten (in your flaccidity) that we are merely exchanging words on the Internet?
There are no physical weapons here beyond our written word. By your colourful language and expansive metaphors you betray yourself as unable to separate reality from the fiction that runs your head. How many more obvious signs of your mental illness do you need pointed out to you before you'll even consider the truth?
You can only start making progress with your disease if you admit the truth of its existence, APK.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
He proves the Dunning-Kruger effect by his inability to learn from his mistakes shown below & repeating them:
"If wishes were horses then beggars would ride," or so the old saying goes. You may wish for a thing to be, but this does not necessarily make it so. Unless, of course, the wisher is schizophrenic and doesn't really understand his own words, let alone those of other people. The more you ramble, the more obvious it is to everyone, APK.
How can you claim to have won the argument if you can't provide an intelligent answer to even the simplest of questions posed? If you're so assured of yourself and your towering victory over me, why are you unable to address my question regarding your little list and your inability to understand the concept of confirmation bias? All you've done is evade the question, spitting out screeds of unrelated rubbish as incontrovertible evidence of your success. WTF?
When you can come up with a coherent rebuttal to my arguments I will take your posts seriously. Until then, you are only trumpeting your ignorance.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
It's easy to see how you are so impressed with yourself, when considering your modus operandi:
It's easy to be victorious when the battles you win are all inside your head. As for our discussion, you haven't even managed to take a swing yet! Get on to some meds, pal, your life will be a whole lot better and you won't be compelled to keep ridiculous lists as you do in your current obsessive-compulsive pattern.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Answer me this. You say 245 people here are wrong and you're right http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 ?
Thank you, I applaud you for stepping up.
I agree that were someone arguing "245 people are wrong despite your evidence and I'm right," would probably piss me off too. However, in honesty, I'm not arguing that at all. I completely agree that (at least) 245 times in the past, one or more people have found your post to be worth moderating up. I'd wager there are actually even more than that. You'll note that nowhere have I called you stupid throughout our little discussion.
My point is that when the argument between us boils down to my assertion that (I summarise) your posts are long-winded and unpleasant to read, you cannot hold up the 245-people list on its own as evidence to the contrary. It's valid, but it tells only half the story and by failing to back it up it effectively becomes a lie by omission. I purport that to accept such a list at face value as fact - as you ask me to do - would be to legitimise a faulty confirmation bias
For your argument to hold water, you would need to show:
Such a thing would be nicely handled by /.'s karma system, were you to create an account and log in. This would automatically provide instant recognition of the contribution your posts make to /. and I believe you know it only too well. I suspect you post AC because any account you create would be driven into negative karma fairly quickly. As you know, the /. moderation mechanism helps the keep noise out of the system. Slashdot posters have consistently moderated your posts as noise, so I make the argument that on-balance, your contributions to /. are of no value.
Don't take my word for it, go follow each of your links and have a look at some of the comments following your post. They speak far louder about the way you are perceived by Slashdot than a shortlist of occasional up-moderations of posts spanning a period of eight years for goodness sake! Here's an example:
In response to DATASTRUCTURES & SQL:2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2080454&cid=35794668 [slashdot.org], from your list:
moderation (Score:5, Funny)
by mevets (322601) Alter Relationship on 5:12 Wednesday 13 April 2011 (#35794934)
Really we need more categories.
+1 incoherent
+1 too many ellipses
+1 imaginative use of mixed case
+1 disturbing
+1 peculiar
+1 could be charlie sheen
Agreed - that's just one example (amusingly, the first one I picked at random) however you don't need to dig too deep to see there are plenty more.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
It irritates me that the TrueCrypt Forums don't allow free email addresses. It ends up being a method to lock out average users from asking for help, as several of my friends have told me. From my perspective, it makes the project look like it's run by a bunch of assholes.
I once took an excursion to Reddit, and later HN. Unlimited up/down voting sucks when dealing with a hive-mind.
Really? Prove it. You are the one who cannot understand a simple argument. You have failed again to even attempt to address my comments or rebut my points. You have predictably responded with more ad hominen and absolutely nothing new. Obviously your sickness is completely in charge of you.
Furthermore, amusingly, you've also made a bunch of very clumsy anonymous coward posts to support your own opinion, childishly trying to make it look like you have some support and exactly that which you accuse me of doing. You really take the cake for hypocrisy my very young friend. Face it, APK, you can't take the heat, so you need to get out of the kitchen. You just don't measure up, not even to the very low standards of Slashdot, O duke of the frequent downmod. You are indeed very ill. Your screeds of rant are are worthless use of electrons and as devoid of rational thought as everything else you post.
You just aren't up to the task of intelligent debate, I pity you. No amount of ranting by way of response will change anything, you have lost this battle. You lose, APK, and the best bit is that you seem genuinely unaware of your own handicaps. The only achievement you have managed is to be even more vilified than our old companion twitter. Congratulations! You lose!
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Typical, shallow, childish APK response: No I don't! You do!
So then, if you are so sure of yourself then why don't you, without abuse and ad hominen, prove my arguments invalid?
After all this you still haven't made a single valid point or managed to rebut any of mine. You've already demonstrated that any idiot can fling faeces and you've shown over and over again that this is the extent of your linguistic abilities.
Hint: this if your cue to post the list (again) and claim victory. Victorious APK! All hail the king of debate! The lord of language! The emperor of eloquence!
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
You do exemplify the Dunning Krueger effect of making the same mistake repeatedly
Unfortunately it appears that you have no idea what the Dunning-Kreuger effect actually is. A more thoughtful person would have taken the time to research the cognitive bias before accusing another of same.
Nice fail. Perhaps you'd like to try again my clumsy, uneducated friend?
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Once again you show a complete lack of anything other than shallow understanding and an inability to comprehend simple language. You have, in effect, demonstrated your own affliction with said effect.
Go read the first paragraph on Wikipedia and explain how it supports your faulty logic.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
..you away easily http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 and I'm not apk,
Yes, you are.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Others are impressed Sardaukar86. It's slashdotters opinions there http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 not his. You're clearly dumb or illiterate as well as outnumbered by huge margins by your peers on this website.
Gosh, you're so clever and devious, posting without signing off, APK. We'll never figure out who said these things!
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
As always, your only argument is to regurgitate your irrelevant list and fling poo.
It's okay though, I understand that you don't know any better.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Oh, and rather that digging up the original argument, why don't you try answering some of the rebuttal?
Answer: you know you are incapable and you also know I know you are incapable.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Oh, and as to your 'challenge', I'm not sure I understand wherein the challenge lies. After all, you haven't brought anything to rebut my argument that your 'evidence' is worthless - all you do is spew it out again and again then fling more poo. I am impressed with your conceit and inflated self-opinion, especially as you can't even form a cogent argument.
You say 'when in Rome' and yet you still haven't noticed that throughout, I've kept my comments to those of your behaviour, rather than criticising you as a person. I've said you are mentally ill, not that you are stupid. This continued erratic behaviour of yours is only more grist for my mill when I say you are suffering from some sort of delusional complex and perhaps even schizophrenia - you just keep proving me right over and over with your ridiculous posts.
Another thing: you do like to talk yourself up don't you? You reckon you 'dusted' me on your silly hosts files nonsense, right? According to you it takes little more than calling someone schoolyard names to 'dust them' or 'kill them' or had them 'put their foot in their mouth'. Do you also claim victory when you take a shit? Yeah, you really dusted that toilet, take that sewer system! Yeaaaah, another one ToTaLLy 0wn3d by APK, lord warrior of the universe.
Your own standards are so pathetically low that it can only cause amusement when you attack other people with your dull verbiage, rather than the offence you hope to effect.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
I gotta hand it to ya APK, this is almost a real attempt to counter my point! Well done! Look at it this way; in a few years you might be able to make a rational argument without uncontrollably urinating all over yourself in the process. Attaboy!
Let me start by pointing out that your first argument has already been completely discredited; your own reputation on Slashdot as a windbag is already well-established. It took you nearly eight years to scrape up a list of positive mods and even then many of the replies to your own listed posts shows the well-deserved derision you get from the crowd, even your posts that somehow got themselves modded up. Still, this is all irrelevant, because you cannot show that you have been up-modded more than you have been down-modded, which would put your silly claims in context shut your illogical ramblings up.
Slashdot has effectively forced you to post AC because you sent your own reputation into the toilet the moment you opened your big yap. Yet here I am, discussing this matter with you under my own account with positive karma. I think Slashdot agrees with me that it is you who are the troll. You cannot counter my argument so you spew your list and fling your poo. Keep going, please, it's funny as hell to watch you writhe in your own excrement.
Moving on, you cite the Wiki paragraph I mention (good! your reading comprehension is improving I see!) in an effort to re-assert your point that you (falsely) believe you have already long since won against me. The reason I am not buying it is because you have simply ignored my logical argument as to why the evidence you provide is laughably flimsy, going on to claim another supreme victory for APK the greatest see coz he won against sardaukar oh yes he did coz I sez.
Yeah, real compelling stuff there pal.
As for "making the same mistakes over and over expecting different results", I'm not the one repeatedly disgorging poorly-formatted lists here. You are in need of medication as your illness is making you blind to your own ineptitude.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Hmm, I wonder who this could be, an AC supporting APK's argument by 1] repeating the APK-fail-list again and 2] flinging poo?
What a challenge for my poor old brain to work out!
(actually it feels a bit like I'm having a kicking contest with a wheelchair cripple.. not very sporting, which isn't really my nature, but oh well)
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Ooh look, a pattern! Allow me to enumerate:
First: an AC supporting APK in the same writing style, check
You're not clever, that's certain.
Ad hominem. Roughly translates as "I'm out of my depth, my argument is little more than toilet paper", check. Hmm, I bet we've got the list coming soon, right?
Not after a 242++:1 ratio vs. your trolling http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491
Ah yes, there we go. Now, for extra lulz, try explaining how this list on its own proves you to be a worthwhile contribution to Slashdot, Mr. can-only-post-AC APK troll. Are you ever going to get it that a paltry list of barely-worthwhile contributions does not automatically make you a worthwhile contributor? Over two-thirds of your list are also-rans and of little value - face it, most of what you say doesn't even make it over the background noise!
I definitely saw who posted what and you said what you said and apk ate you alive (or rather your peers opinions of his posts by upwards modding apk did).
Yup, there's the hyperbolic claim of victory, or at least the first one. We must, surely by now, be in for a little more..
You fail. From what I've seen, not a first from you either. You repeated your mistake on that 3 or 4 times and more on hosts files against apk. Are you addicted to failing against apk in your obsessive stalking of him?
...delusional and paranoid thinking, yep, there we go. Allow me to respond.
Did I take issue with APK's laughable hosts file cure-all blatherings? Why yes, I probably did. I honestly can't remember, however I rather imagine it is much more likely to be your puerile whining about your (completely justified) modding down that really caught my attention. Why is that a hard concept for you to grasp?
How can you claim that I am stalking you? I simply replied to your pathetic, snivelling little post demanding an explanation for your well-earned downmoderation. More clear evidence for your mental instability: seeing patterns that aren't really there, such as your host file claim about me. More still: childish egocentricity coupled with paranoia, seeing someone answering their own question as an exercise in stalking.
I wonder where obvious and goofy attempts to come off as other people in support of your argument fits in here as a valid arguing technique. Hmm, let me think, yeah, that's a sane and reasonable thing to do... right?
As an aside, I am horrified to have just learned that you are nearly fifty years of age, according to one of your posts. I'm sorry to break into ad hominem here (I was doing so well after all, I'm sure you'll agree) but I find it absolutely stunning that a person of your age is still reasoning and speaking as would a thirteen or fourteen year old child. You sir are a very small and very feeble Mind. I am flabbergasted at the juxtaposition of your utter incompetence alongside your pompous self-importance and boastful, grandiose self-admiration. If I were cursed with your level of reasoning skills I wouldn't be so damn impressed with myself and I sure as hell wouldn't be airing my handicap in public as you do.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Ooh look, another of APK's imaginary friends who write like him, reason like him and fling poo like him. Gee I wonder who it could be.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
False (deluded) claim of victory, repeated posting of the APK-fail list, ad hominen attack(s), delusional thinking, paranoid conclusion.
Nope, couldn't be APK at all.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
AC claiming not to be APK, repeat of APK-fail list, delusional thinking, false claim of victory, ad hominen, irrational conclusion.
I expect we'll see you writing style change soon as you put more effort into sounding like someone other than APK, but when your modus operandi is the same.. it's just a funny joke. :-)
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Anyone reading this thread can see your childishness. Are you really expecting the /. community to believe that APK suddenly had a bunch of ACs spring out of nowhere to trumpet his (false) victory? All at much the same time that APK is furiously typing his latest idiocy? I think your asking a bit much buddy.
It didn't take long for you to fall back to the highly-evolved "I know you are I said you are but what am I" debating technique, did it APK?
If anyone can claim victory it should be myself as you've consistently failed to rebut a single point. It's official: APK can claim whatever he likes, the truth is here for all to see. APK couldn't reason his way out of a paper bag and has been proven a piss-weak debater who doesn't even understand his own arguments.
Don't forget to post your list again, it's sure to convince me this time.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
I've just looked through some of your standard posts, you know, the ones that routinely get beaten down by other Slashdotters.
It seems the methods of 'defences' you use elsewhere are just the same this discussion. Your recipe for APK fail goes like this:
This really is the best you can do? It seems so, you pathetic 50 year-old man-child with the reasoning skills of an ADHD kid.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
hahahaha, I rebuffed your idiocy many posts ago but you just can't face it, you've just slipped into a butthurt sulk to fling poo from your dark little corner.
How do I know you are a feeble-minded, mentally-ill manchild incapable of coherently rebutting a logical point?
Easy! You haven't managed to handle one point yet and I don't hold out much hope for your future, APK.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Anyone reading this can see you're clearly a fool here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491
APK manchild response #1: brainlessly spew nonsensical lists as rebuttal against any point raised
APK manchild response #3: Spout abuse and call your detractor a bunch of childish names
and that you're running away from a fair challenge apk gave you here also http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675
APK manchild response #2: Maintain lists of 'wins' like an obsessive old grouch, ready to use as feeble ammunition
Tell me, was that before or after you had it explained to you that your 'challenges', your lists and every other response you've given is worthless? It's not my fault you are too wilfully-stupid to understand just how pathetic your 'rebuttal' is.
but perhaps most of all that you are still stinging in obsessive geek angst over apk repeatedly trashing you since you are not intelligent or skilled enough to get the best of him.
Hahaha, the 'best of him'? I've already seen the best of APK and it's laughably feeble to say the least. Face it APK, you are the one who is outclassed. You haven't got a leg to stand on - but you do have lots of obsessively-compiled lists to prove your non-point.
You know what they say about those repeating their mistakes over and over again expecting different results and not learning by it? Sardaukar86 = the poster child for Dunning Krueger (lmao). If anyone queries your username on google they're going to see this if you keep it up, but that's up to you.
Oooh, I wouldn't go laughing your arse off, you might need it to help you 'win' another of your imaginary 'victories'
How can you claim anyone but yourself as a moron when every post you make confirms your lack of maturity, wilful ignorance and childish reasoning?
How can you consider that I am not intelligent or skilled enough to get the better of you, when you are clearly the sort of person who would struggle with something as complex as sitting in a sandpit? Your inflated ego is completely misplaced my arrogant friend.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
All I had to see was where you did yourself in 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 to see you project your own faults you listed onto others and you had to eat your words Sardaukar86.
Hahahahhaa you're obviously playing dumb again APK (not a terribly hard game for you I understand) because you know damn well that your lists are worthless, just like your debating skills.
Go ahead and claim another victory, retard!
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Why're you running away from this http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42725675 ? We know. You toss all those names, are off topic, and did yourself in 242++:1 as the ratio of your fail where you had to eat your words here Sardaukar86 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 You keep making the same mistakes confronting apk saying his posts suck but he has 100's of upmods to show otherwise. You failed repeatedly against him on hosts files also. Those who repeat their mistakes expecting different results are the ones considered insane you know. You must be nuts.
APK man-child response #5: Rant a bunch of incoherent nonsense, claim the same about your detractor as they against yourself, claim another victory for APK
If only you weren't too arrogant to see that you are the one behind the repetitive and mindless behaviour. Please feel free to project this on to me, I know you're not terribly sophisticated and don't have many options at your disposal. Truth is, you are the one making the same claim and posting the same shit over and over, so I guess it must be yourself that you're describing.
So once again you lose, APK, but don't let that stop you from claiming that you 'dusted me' or 'nuked me', because we wouldn't want you having to put your fantasies aside for this little thing called 'reality' now would we?
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Problem is you can't rebuff your idiocy outnumbered 242++:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Sardaukar86. How does eating your words taste? Hahahaha
Post your list again, weirdo, maybe it'll prove your point this time... nah.
What was that about repetitive behaviour and expecting a different outcome? Oh, no, that doesn't apply to APK because he's too mighty.
Keep us laughing, you pathetic 50-year-old man-child.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
How'd yer words taste since ya hadda eat 'em outnumbered 250:1 http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Sardaukar86? Hahahaha
No, APK, a nonsensical list of your occasional up-moderations (less than a third making it past +1) does not prove that you are a worthwhile contributor to Slashdot.
If you had any situational awareness or cognitive abilities beyond a that of a thirteen year old, you'd pull down your silly list, hide it and hope no other Slashdotter ever stumbled across such inanity. How many times does it need to be explained to you before some glimmer of understanding starts to dawn in your twisted little mind? You have failed and failed and failed, then claimed that you've 'gotten the better of me', making you a laughing-stock here for all to see. Blatting on with the same tired and ineffective list just gives you away as the fifty-year-old man-child you are.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
Hahaha Sardaukar86 eatin yer words != good nutrition http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 Hahahahahaha
Dream on, you old man-child. You can wish for stuff but it doesn't make it so, haven't you learned that yet by your age? You're just too bloody-minded to understand but there's more than enough brainless fervour still bubbling over for you to keep pretending, keep claiming, keep wishing.
Fantasies are free I guess, dreamer, so keep imagining your 'win' while the joke goes right over your head. Woosh.
..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?