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Lenovo Could Take Over RIM

judgecorp writes "China's Lenovo could take over RIM, according to Lenovo chief financial officer Wong Mai Ming, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos Switzerland. The Canadian authorities might object, and so might BlackBerry users, after what ultimately happened to the ThinkPad brand under Lenovo's guidance. Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said, 'It’s something that we would look carefully at. We always look at foreign investment in Canada as a cause for reflection. We have to look at intelligence concerns.'"

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  1. What happened? by gtirloni · · Score: 3, Insightful

    after what ultimately happened to the ThinkPad brand under Lenovo's guidance

    You mean, they would object if RIM devices kept working as before?

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    1. Re:What happened? by JackL · · Score: 2

      I was wondering that as well.

    2. Re:What happened? by Enry · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I'm a bit curious about this too. I've had two Thinkpads since the purchase and both have been as good of quality as when it was IBM.

    3. Re:What happened? by rwven · · Score: 2

      Yeah... I was under the impression that Lenovo was doing very well. I personally feel that they made some of the best quality devices...even if they happen to be a little more on the "utilitarian" and "ugly" side of things.

    4. Re:What happened? by scifiai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As I type this on a Lenovo ThinkPad T520i, I think to myself that the ThinkPad is the best laptop on the market.

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    5. Re:What happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I work at an ASP for Lenovo, and if you're talking about their 'Think' branded stuff... the part fulfillment is still handled by IBM. The same ASPs are providing support. There are the same if not more warranty options as before. Perhaps you are talking about call centers? I've talked to them and they don't seem any worse or better than any other big brand OEM call center. Not sure how anything is 'way worse' - sounds like your perspective.

      I expected things to get worse, and was somewhat surprised when they didn't.

    6. Re:What happened? by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Uh, China + secure (other) government email = large subsidy from China govt.

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    7. Re:What happened? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The question in my mind is why lenovo would want to acquire RIM at all

      "Traditional" computing platform sales continue to flatline (Notebooks / Desktops). Lenovo's attempts at a tablet have, to date, flopped. RIM is currently undervalued and still sells millions of handsets. It's a quick jumpstart into the mobile business for Lenovo.

    8. Re:What happened? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      By "flatline", do you mean that no one buys these items anymore?

      Or, by "flatline", do you mean that the market is no longer growing?

      See, "flatline" is a medical term, to me, implying someone is dead, dead, dead. Obviously, laptop and desktops aren't "dead, dead, dead" because millions of us use them. Newegg and other retailers still offer and sell them.

      Using the term to describe markets that no longer enjoy astronomical growth is misleading at best, and probably dishonest.

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  2. This would probably kill all US Federal contracts by CuriousGeorge113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After examining how the United States treats Huawei networking gear, I'm sure this would kill all the US (and State/Local) government contracts with RIM.

    US Government contracts are one of the few highlights of RIM's business right now.

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  3. Re:Taking over RIM is not making any difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You are incorrect. RIM has positive cash flow, no debt, and significant capital assets and cash. RIM is far from dead and with their new offerings have continued opportunity to grow.

    Another thing to consider - RIM is still has the only FIPS compliant smart phone on the market. That means that any government agency that needs to send "secret" data to remote agents will almost certainly use this device set.

  4. Re:Nothing wrong with ThinkPads by gmack · · Score: 2

    How do you define "easily user-upgradable"? Of the major notebook brands, only HP joins them in BIOS locking their mini PCIE slot so that third party wireless cards cause the machine not to boot. That's hardly customer friendly.

  5. Blackberry & Thinkpad? by wirefarm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does China have some sort of late-1990s nostalgia thing going on that I haven't heard of?

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  6. Re:Taking over RIM is not making any difference by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The way I understand it is that while RIM is struggling in North America, they're still pretty dominant in the rest of the world. And the rest of the world is still a pretty big market.

  7. Re:This would probably kill all US Federal contrac by internerdj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had a discussion at work with a mapping vendor. They were involved with discussions on mobile device support. From what he had seen, the survival of RIM to this point and beyond was related to the way they play ball with the government in regards to encryption compared to other companies. Apparently, Apple flat out said no.

  8. I have a lenovo thinkpad... by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't feel that Lenovo really changed anything too badly with the thinkpad line. Granted, I wouldn't buy a thinkpad edge, but the T series that I purchased works great. I've had it for over 2 years and the only problem I had was with a faulty shift key on my keyboard, which they resolved by sending out a new one for me to replace myself (much better IMHO than certain other vendors who would have asked me to send it to them).

    I don't really see the difference between IBM thinkpad and Lenovo thinkpad as being significant.

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    1. Re:I have a lenovo thinkpad... by Hel+Toupee · · Score: 2

      Typing this on my T520 right now. The reason there isn't any difference in the ThinkPad branded equipment is because Lenovo bought them, but didn't change anything. Factories stayed the same. Distribution, Management, Fulfillment, and R&D never changed - just Chinese cashing the checks and paying the bills now. Now, the 'Idea' branded stuff is different - and I think that the Edge is technically their consumer-grade junk. I wouldn't touch any of that.

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  9. T430 by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Informative

    So what happened to Thinkpads after Lenovo purchased it?

    I have a Lenovo Thinkpad T430. I find it to be a very good laptop.

    I have only 1 problem with it.
    There are tons of programs it comes preinstalled with
    - Evernote
    - Intel AppUp(SM) center
    - Intel WiDi
    - Intel Control Center
    - Intel Management Engine Components
    - Intel OpenCL SDK
    - ThinkVantage Communication Utlity

    and lot more stuff. But I think lot of extra software shipped even when this was from IBM.

    If someone could publish a list of stuff which could be uninstalled, it would be great.

    1. Re:T430 by redfox2012 · · Score: 2

      If someone could publish a list of stuff which could be uninstalled, it would be great.

      I'm guessing:

      - Evernote
      - Intel AppUp(SM) center
      - Intel WiDi
      - Intel Control Center
      - Intel Management Engine Components
      - Intel OpenCL SDK
      - ThinkVantage Communication Utlity

      We just rolled out 190 of the L series and started with a clean image; the only thing Lenovo support were keen to see put back was the battery saver tool.

      More love for Lenevo here, never had such a positive response to a laptop roll out!

  10. Too little cash and unattractive products by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RIM has positive cash flow, no debt, and significant capital assets and cash

    RIM has had an operating loss for the last 4 straight quarters. While you are correct that the company isn't on financial life support (yet), their prospects are not looking especially cheery. Their cash hoard is around $3 billion which while substantial is tiny compared to Google, Apple, Microsoft and Samsung. All their major competitors have extremely strong balance sheets, far stronger than RIM. It's a bit like playing poker when everyone at the table has a much larger pile of chips. You still can win but the odds are not in your favor.

    RIM is far from dead and with their new offerings have continued opportunity to grow.

    The sales numbers for RIM's products are do not back you up. Competing products from Apple and Android makers are in far higher demand. RIM's product line is pretty widely considered to be not competitive. While RIM might succeed yet with some brilliant new products, there is little evidence so far that we should expect anything that will put them ahead of the curve.

    Another thing to consider - RIM is still has the only FIPS compliant smart phone on the market.

    Which is something that the majority of the market could not care less about. At best it gives them some breathing room for a little while. But the number of people who really need that level of security is a pretty small fraction of the overall market. RIM needs a product offering with much broader appeal and significant advantages over the competition. Right now this is a battle they are losing and losing badly.

  11. Since when? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

    Since when does “We are looking at all opportunities -- RIM and many others,” automatically translate into "We are taking over RIM"? Seeing how countries are treating ZTE and Huawei in the network space Lenovo would be crazy to buy RIM (Everyone knows RIM has a global network infrastructure right?). It does however make a lot of sense to partner with them to offer devices outside of RIM's current core.

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