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What You Need To Know About Phone Unlocking

Now that unlocking a new phone is under many circumstances illegal in the U.S. (!), Digital Trends has collected a useful set of answers outlining just what that means. As they put it, a "quick guide to answer all your why, how, and WTF questions." Among them, some explanation of the rule-making process, the reasoning that led to the end to the unlocking exception to the DMCA (including the Ninth Circuit's 2010 Vernor v. Autodesk decision), and illustrations of situations in which it is not illegal to unlock your phone.

321 comments

  1. Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by craznar · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know it is in Australia (ACCC).... would have thought US had more protection.

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    1. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by dkf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course it is anti-competitive and anti-consumer. Why do you think the US carriers are so keen on it? They're consistently anti-consumer, and put a lot of effort into persuading the "regulators" (I use that word advisedly) remain sympathetic to their point of view.

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    2. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would they? USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      And why? Because too many Americans don't give a shit because they lap up the "if you have nothing to hide" bullshit.

      "nothing to see here, move along"

    3. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It helps when they lobby, sorry bribe, the law makers to do exactly what they're told

    4. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      Why? Citizens in the US have more freedom than anywhere else on the planet.

      Don't forget, people are not citizens any more, corporations are citizens but people aren't. People are items with a value, there to be used.

    5. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A lot of people would probably disagree with me on this, but while I've never bought a smartphone outright, I think I'd rather have unlocking be legal even if it meant the end of subsidized devices.

      No doubt the carriers would hate that too, though. I know they usually will, but does anyone know if a carrier is required to unlock a phone when you've lived out the associated contract term?

    6. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by blackest_k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In Ireland the phone networks are legally obligated to unlock phones for free, although they are allowed to charge an administration fee (about 25 euro)

    7. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

      I propose an alternative. See sig.

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    8. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's an arbitrary bar that is kin to saying "well it could be worse" every time something gets worse as if having something better isn't worth protecting.

      It's ok because It could be worse, you could be dead. Then when you're dead it becomes: well it could be worse, your death could have been more painful. There's always a way things can get worse.

      You need to get up off your ass and stop accepting bullshit not because it could get worse, but because it will get worse if you do nothing.

    9. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I noticed you say " consumer ". With laws like the DMCA, you are just that, and not a " customer ".

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    10. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      God ____ AmeriKKKa. Glad I moved out years ago.

      I'm also glad you moved out.

    11. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by agoliveira · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Brazil the phones cannot be sold locked. If they are, for some reason, the seller is obligated to unlock it for free.

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    12. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the UK you can buy phones on contract unlocked, and usually cheaper too. If you buy directly from the phone company it might cost you £35/month and you get a locked phone. If you buy from an independent like the old fashioned sounding Carphone Warehouse or borderline illiterate Phones 4 U you get the same phone for £30/month and it will be unlocked.

      Apparently the free market has failed in the US, because it was able to buy laws designed to distort it in the phone company's favour.

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    13. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You picked the wrong phrase. The USA is still the "land of the free" but is no longer "the home of the brave."

      There can be no justification for elected officials out-sourcing their responsibility to maintain a uniform code of justice to an appointed individual or agency. If there are not enough elected representatives to carry out their Constitutional responsibilities, then the number of representatives elected by the voting populous must be increased to ensure adequate representation. Wouldn't truly brave citizens insist on representation so strong that misrepresentation would be a statistically improbable to no less than 6 standard deviations above that which could be undermined by the corruption of the 'mean' number of representatives?

    14. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Informative

      I do not see an issue here.
      TFA states many exemptions such as currently unlocked phones you can purchase from many places, phones not under contract, second hand phones, etc.
      It isnt that big of a deal, and this isnt "jailbreaking", as some might think.

    15. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, if freedom exists then there is nothing to hide. When freedom vanishes then one had better hide all kinds of things. Freedom is more complex than most suspect. For example my ability, or a huge corporations ability, to keep my data away from prying eyes pretty much destroys the idea that a person has privacy at all. How can it be known that their privacy has been violated without the ability to see what is in other peoples' files?

    16. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by green1 · · Score: 1

      I'm confused with your definition of "free" if it includes a 25 euro fee... Of course that's still better than many carriers.

      I do know where I live that my provider will unlock your phone for about $35, but only after the end of your 3 yr contract. (or if you buy the phone outright) but I also know that this is far from the norm.

    17. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apparently the free market has failed in the US, because it was able to buy laws designed to distort it in the phone company's favour.

      Americans haven't realized that any law affecting businesses or consumers is by definition the opposite of a free market. Somehow people scream bloody murder about the lack of a free market any time consumer protection laws are talked about, but corporate protectionism is seen as protecting the free market. It's a great double standard if you're a large corporation, not so good for anyone else.

      All copyright, patent, and trademark laws are anti free market. (and this cell phone unlocking bit is part of a copyright law) whether some form of IP protection is good is a different matter, but it is not in any way "free market"

    18. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by koan · · Score: 1

      "would have thought US had more protection"

      We still have our guns.

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    19. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by sjames · · Score: 1

      If the violator acts on knowledge that came from a privacy violation, you know they violated privacy without looking at their files.

    20. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporations are people too. Sucks to be an American.

    21. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      In Ireland the phone networks are legally obligated to unlock phones for free, although they are allowed to charge an administration fee (about 25 euro)

      "Legally obligates to unlock phones for free"

      "...allowed to charge an administration fee (about 25 euro)"

      These are not actually consistent - if they're allowed to charge 25 euro, then they're not obligated to do it for free....

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    22. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Citizens in the US have more freedom than anywhere else on the planet.

      We note your wording applies to US citizens in the US, and not visitors, residents, or others (see GITMO). Also, the measuring was done by US citizens who want a specific outcome. I moved out of the US to a place with more freedom. But I could see how someone from the US that wants to carry guns could think otherwise. For whatever reason, the arguement always comes down to guns, or the particular way the US chose to balance rights.

      You do realize no right is absolute, right? Other places officially recognize the right to privacy, one right you do not have in the US. And the balance between privacy and other rights makes a line where a liar from the US could arbitrarily assert that it proves the US is more free.

      One specific example is name suppression. An accused person can have their name suppressed (in certain circumstances) because an accusation alone often triggers punishment. So they are free to live their lives as an innocent person until proven guilty. But in the US, the mere accusation has caused trouble for many people, especially celebrities and other public figures. Shouldn't you have the freedom to be free from punishment until proven guilty? You don't get that freedom in the US, instead, you get the freedom of speech, where people can try and convict you in the public forum before the first evidence is brought against you.

      Which is more free? That's a matter of opinion, but every ignorant nationalistic myopic American is certain that freedom of speech overrides all else, especially when somewhere else may do it differently.

    23. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about all the anonymous users here who can't see your sig?

    24. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unlocking doesn't just apply to smart phones. It applies to most cell phones. They are "locked" (digitally preconfigured in a not-easy-to-modify-way) to use only one service. It locks you in to using only that service with that phone. If you are dissatisfied with your service, you can't take that phone to another service provider without first unlocking it.

      It's an anti-competitive practice that should be banned. You should be able to take any phone to any service provider that uses a compatible system and have them configure it to use their service.

      Of course, if you use a cheap phone, this kind of lock-in doesn't really provide much of a barrier to switching carriers, and may carriers give you a cheap phone when you sign up to use their service.

    25. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      Why? Citizens in the US have more freedom than anywhere else on the planet.

      Don't forget, people are not citizens any more, corporations are citizens but people aren't. People are items with a value, there to be used.

      This was presaged by corporate adoption of the term human resources to refer to what had previously been termed personnel. You are a resource, to be exploited like any other kind of resource.

    26. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is a big issue, because you buy the phone, you don't rent it.
      When you want to cancel the contract, you have to pay lots of charges, but you don't have to give them back the phone, because you bought it.

      The bigger issue here, is that you have no control over the crapware that comes installed with the phone, or control the updates they push to it other than killing the internet connection altogether. If they decide to install a keylogger, special "app" that makes browsing faster by caching, or any other stuff like that, you have no choice, it will be installed the moment you activate the internet connection.

    27. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by WhatAreYouDoingHere · · Score: 1
      For the anonymice, his signature reads:

      Home of the land. Free of the brave.

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    28. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Why would it be anti-competitive? If unlocking is illegal, then any company should be able to get a huge competitive advantage by selling unlocked phones.

    29. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Nexion · · Score: 2

      True, it is hard to see the issue. If you are out of contract it seems you are allowed to modify, but that only underscores how silly this all seems. Unlocking does not free you from your contractual obligation to the company who subsidized your phone. It seems carriers are somewhat agreeable to an unlock when you travel abroad. So in reality this is do little legislation that only really affects those who start a contract to get a cheap phone only to jump ship shortly after with no intention of ever making good on the contract. In the end you suddenly realize that it is likely just better to stop buying phones tied to a two year contract, or perhaps make that the phone be unlocked a stipulation of your entry into a new contract.

      Oh, and you might want to examine their contract and make sure it doesn't invalidate any verbal agreement made with them that you hopefully record with their knowledge. You then might want to tailor your verbal agreement to specifically override such measures of any later written contract that would render the written contract void if challenged. Not exactly sure how best to do this as I will just buy a phone outright and allow my carrier to interface my hardware/software. As for the former trick...

      Excuse me... is their a liar in the house... err, lawyer... I meant lawyer?

    30. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      It is a big issue, because you buy the phone, you don't rent it.

      You also buy a home, but while it is still being financed, there are limits on what you can do with it. (For example, not carry full insurance) Once the home is paid off, you cn have more freedom. Same for the phone.

    31. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      In the UK you can buy phones on contract unlocked, and usually cheaper too

      You can in the US as well - Sprint and Verizon sell phones with GSM SIM unlocked; and you can buy it at the contract price. You can't take a Verizon Phone to sprint (and vice versa) on the CDMA side even though you can roam on each other's network; but that's not due to locking, in the GSM sense, but do to the way they register phone serials in their database.

      >Apparently the free market has failed in the US, because it was able to buy laws designed to distort it in the phone company's favour.

      I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion - I can buy an unlocked phone at full retail, a subsidized but locked phone at a discount, or a CDMA phone with the GSM SIM unlocked. Nothing in a free market says someone has to sell you what you want at a price you want; or that failure to offe ryou what you want is a failure of a free market.

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    32. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would they? USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      We just added to it. It is now "Land of the FREE LIMITED TIME OFFER!"

    33. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "We still have our guns."

      But only a teeny, tiny percentage of us actually are proficient with them. For the most part, if all those with guns came storming out into the streets in some kind of unified protest, there would be a not so insignificant number of 'friendly fire' victims before, during, and after any kind of meaningful action would actually take place.

    34. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Apparently the free market has failed in the US, because it was able to buy laws designed to distort it in the phone company's favour.

      No, it failed because too many drooling idiots do not understand the real cost of a smart phone (with a 2 year contract) and so a realistically priced no-contract phone seems expensive.

    35. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So in reality this is do little legislation that only really affects those who start a contract to get a cheap phone only to jump ship shortly after with no intention of ever making good on the contract.

      That doesn't make sense. Unlocking the phone doesn't free you from the contract.

      You mean there are people who would actually default on a contract and ruin their credit just to get a cheap iPhone? I can't imagine the number of people stupid enough to do that warrant making jailbreaking a phone you purchased illegal.

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    36. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      There can be no justification for elected officials out-sourcing their responsibility to maintain a uniform code of justice to an appointed individual or agency.

      Exactly when did the US have a "uniform code of justice"?

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    37. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no longer a need to look at GITMO thanx to NDAA now US citizens too can be held without trial indefinitely (btw. this is something that even USSR didn't have).

    38. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The issue is that as well as being anti-competitive, it also fundamentally changes the notion of ownership, making phones different from other things that you own.

      It these things that mean, for example, that in the UK not only is phone unlocking legal, it is a legal requirement on the carriers that they must unlock your phone for you. Ironically, the main reason given in the article for unlocking (international travelling) isn't so relevant in the UK because, at least inside the EU, the carriers cannot charge you exorbintant fees.

      It's a good example of a population, throught it's government limiting the power of the large companies who otherwise can use their power to exploit. Long may it continue.

    39. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We still have our guns.

      Have you ever seen a Bradley fighting vehicle? An M6 Linebacker? Do you really believe your guns offer you protection from the government? Remember, the person most likely to die from a civilian-owned gun is the owner, by a huge margin.

      There are lots of reasons to own guns. I own a gun. "Protection from the government" is not one of them. That is a talk-radio fantasy.

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    40. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I know it is in Australia (ACCC).... would have thought US had more protection.

      The US does have more protection... for monopolists.

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    41. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, now you can live in your blissfully ignorant little 'Murika bubble without anyone to challenge your irrational xenophobia, constant fear of terrorism, McDonald's diet or belief in a magical sky daddy.

    42. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is a big issue, because you buy the phone, you don't rent it.

      You also buy a home, but while it is still being financed, there are limits on what you can do with it. (For example, not carry full insurance)

      Spoken well an truly as someone who does not own their home. I do. I can assure you, there is a world of difference between renting and owning. Basically, the rules for owners are: 1) obey they law. Not a bunch of really stupid restrictions like "can't junk the ugly carpets". If you have issues with how you can insure your home, time to refinance to a less obnoxious bank. You'll make money on that anyway.

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    43. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      God ____ AmeriKKKa. Glad I moved out years ago.

      I'm also glad you moved out.

      Too bad you stayed.

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    44. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't about jailbreaking. Unlocking is a process that lets you take it to another carrier.

    45. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1

      The dirty thing (at least in the UK) that the providers do is actually -charge- you for giving the unlock code -after- your contract expires.
      Since an unlocked phone sells for a bit more in the pawnshops, I wanted it unlocked after my contract ran out.
      Vodaphone wanted to charge me 20 pounds for what I considered to be my right to be done for free, so told them to fuck off and unlocked it myself (thought other means).
      At first I wanted to fight this extra charge, but figured it would cost me way more personal time, than the actual 20 pounds it would have saved me.
      But yeah, very dirty. Then again, even though they were offering me a cheaper subscription for the other phone I bought, I purposedly went with another carrier (but I don't think they lost any sleep over it; I'm assuming that most people will gladly pay the fee to get it unlocked :-( )

    46. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 1

      25 euros (it was 20 pounds for me in the UK) is ridicilous as an 'administrative fee', and as such it can't be said that the unlocking is 'free'.
      I hate it how they're getting away with these overinflated fees :-/

    47. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      You're 100% correct. But I'd point out that, for some, "jailbreaking" leads to "unlocking." I remember trying to unlock my old iPhone 3GS and I ended up having to jailbreak it first.

    48. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      You mean there are people who would actually default on a contract and ruin their credit just to get a cheap iPhone?

      Never underestimate the stupidity of some people. Yes, I'm sure there are people who would do that.

      I'd also point out that even if you hurt the customer's credit, the provider is still out the money.

      Let's say I get a free phone from Verizon. And then I decide that Sprint offers a better deal, so I just stop paying the Verizon bill. Verizon is still out the money for the phone. They're going to report me to the credit bureaus--oh, boo hoo! My credit is already shot! They were stupid to not check that before giving me a free phone!

      Would I do that? No. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who have to have teh new shiny and don't care about these things.

    49. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by katarac · · Score: 2

      You did read the second part of his comment, right? Where he is clearly being ironic and is referring to corporations, not proper human beings? Good rant, though!

    50. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by schnell · · Score: 1

      Why would they? USA needs to remove "land of the free" from their national anthem as they are plunging down the international listings of freedom.

      100% agree - our essential freedoms have been practically eliminated and we are no longer "free" in any meaningful sense. I mean, think about it - how can I possibly be called "free" in a nation where I have "freedom" of religion, speech, assembly etc. but I have to wait until I'm out of a cellular contract before I can call the carrier and unlock my phone? We might as well be North Korea at this point. Thank God Slashdot is here to provide a rational view of these things and demonstrate a keen grasp of priorities when it comes to human freedoms.

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    51. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I should have the "the free market is a failure". It is the nature of the market itself that is the problem, not the implementation. In a free market one side always dominates the other, the deal is never fair. The idea that someone will come along and undercut the big guys is flawed because it is in their interest to just join the big guys in screwing everyone, and it's not like you can just deploy your own national network and become a carrier from scratch that easily either.

      We have consumer protection laws and enforced competition, thus our phones and contracts are cheaper and better than America's.

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    52. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's say I get a free phone from Verizon. And then I decide that Sprint offers a better deal, so I just stop paying the Verizon bill. Verizon is still out the money for the phone. They're going to report me to the credit bureaus--oh, boo hoo! My credit is already shot!

      And that would be the end of any subsidized phones for you. So the system is self-correcting.

      And really is the number of people who would ruin their credit to get a $99 iPhone really so great that a law must be created to outlaw unlocking?

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    53. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Do you really believe your guns offer you protection from the government?"

      Yes and no, to some degree a rifle and a person that knows how to use it can be very effective, we saw that in Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.
      I understand if it came to doing battle with the US military it would be difficult, if not impossible, as they could simply fly a helo over and spray everyone, there you're done without a shot fired.
      Or they just shoot a couple of RPG's into your house and that's that, anyone playing COD or Battlefield could figure the same thing out.

      However like Libya and other parts of the World if the "resistance" is strong enough, you begin to capture government weapons storage areas and then the fight comes down to logistics and body counts.

      Yeah, I've thought it through, does this knowledge make me want to live without a gun? Hell no.

    54. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by green1 · · Score: 0

      It's hard to say "the free market is a failure" when we have yet to see it in action anywhere.

    55. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a big issue, because you buy the phone, you don't rent it. When you want to cancel the contract, you have to pay lots of charges, but you don't have to give them back the phone, because you bought it.

      You also buy a home, but while it is still being financed, there are limits on what you can do with it. (For example, not carry full insurance) Once the home is paid off, you cn have more freedom. Same for the phone.

      In GP's example, the "property taxes" were changed (maybe they physically moved the house to a new lot), but they paid off the loan on the "home". Unless I'm misunderstanding something, You can't unlock phones now ever. You own them, but you enter into a perpetual contract for their use (must remain locked to the cellular provider).

    56. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but it's illegal.

      The Librarian of Congress has just unleashed a shitstorm of legal cases against himself, the LoC, and every wireless carrier. He should be proud of himself. He might have just singlehandedly destroyed the DMCA, or at least a big part of it.

      For reference, the term we're looking for is "Trespass to chattels". Cases involving this tort have been a bit hit-and-miss for issues involving software. Fortunately, this issue directly involves hardware that can be considered real, tangible, movable property (chattel).

      Trespass to chattels allows for reclaiming damages related to
      1) "dispossession" of property (they took it from you, which they will do if they prosecute you for jailbreaking your phone
      2) impairment of condition (it's less useful than a jailbroken one), quality (it's less useful than a jailbroken one), or value (it's less valuable to sell on the open market, to say nothing of the value of getting out of an overly-expensive plan that you're no longer under contract for)
      3) deprivation of use (they refuse to let you use your jailbroken phone)
      4) bodily harm to the possessor or harm to that in which the possessor has a vested interest. (Get roughed up by the cops when they're investigating this or they confiscate your other property? Bingo.)

      So immediately the possible $500k fine is back in your pocket, plus any damage to your physical property (not just your jailbroken phone) caused by the investigation, as well as any medical bills related to the investigation, arrest, incarceration, etc.

      A ruling by a non-elected official cannot overrule law. If it can, then any appointed idiot can make murder legal.

    57. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by rohan972 · · Score: 2

      Americans haven't realized that any law affecting businesses or consumers is by definition the opposite of a free market.

      This is totally incorrect. Have you read Adam Smith's work? The free market he described did not exist in the absence of government. Without laws against the use of force and fraud there is no large scale free market, only anarchy. Without enforcement of contracts there is no free market. An efficient free market requires informed buyers, so consumer protection laws can be pro-free market, such as Australian law requiring ingredients of food products to be on the label. Trademark law allows you as a customer to know the reputation of who you are buying from, another pro-free market measure.

      The idea that a free market means no laws affecting businesses or customers at all is not found in "The Wealth of Nations" or any other seminal work on free market economics that I'm aware of.

    58. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by robsku · · Score: 1

      Ha - USA puts corporation protection laws where others have consumer protection laws.

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      In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
    59. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by green1 · · Score: 1

      I won't argue that those laws aren't necessary (though sadly lacking in the USA) however they do make the market less "free", sometimes that's a good thing. But it's not "free"

      I think the government does need a role in business (though not the one it currently has) I'm just under no illusion that adding rules adds freedom, only that some rules are necessary for correct functioning.

      Unfortunately though, any time consumer protection laws are discussed we hear how anti free market they are. Whereas any time oppressive corporate agendas are pushed it's just the free market in action. It's the double standard that's the problem.

      We do need consumer protection laws. We might need trademark laws. We do not need laws making it illegal to do what we wish with products we have purchased.

    60. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow, so we must have really won the Vietnam war? Our superior firepower was no match for the enemy! The fall of Saigon never happened! USA! USA!

    61. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AK Marc? He couldn't be bothered to actually read the post for comprehension. He was too busy falling over himself to write an anti-American post. Seriously, read his post history. He's like a broken record.

    62. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evidently you have nearer read of the fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, were that happens every day...

    63. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by robsku · · Score: 1

      Also it's unlikely to be the end of subsidized devices as it hasn't been the end of them anywhere else either.

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    64. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by robsku · · Score: 1

      Sir, you have been loosing freedom for looong long time - replying this way every time your freedoms are taken away take astonishing levels of ignorance... or perhaps simply dementia.

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    65. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      it's Ireland but other country's do the same, it is no different from the free overdraft your bank offers with the £50 reviewing fee and many more. the law says they can't charge for unlocking it doesn't say they can't charge you for something else.

      On the other hand the networks are not the only way to get a phone unlocked.

    66. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies (it's not limited to corporations) are only treated as people in the US in a few, limited ways.

      People should be more careful with the wording.

    67. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because in America, we believe it's impolite to commit suicide by diving in front of a subway train in front of other people; in this nation a cheap handgun is generally within the means of anyone who is suicidally depressed.

      Remember Japan - no guns, lots of suicide.

      While your assertion is perhaps factually correct, I suspect it's a red herring to the argument you're actually making.

    68. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really believe your guns offer you protection from the government?

      Do you really believe any conflict against the government would be limited to direct combat against armored vehicles? Do you really believe any armed force can continue fighting effectively once its supply lines have been disrupted?

      More realistically, do you believe the local police department would continue serving no-knock warrants once they started losing a few officers every time they did it?

    69. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by fnj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A small bunch of greatly outnumbered, pretty much untrained guys with AKs, RPGs, and IEDs have given (and still are giving) bloody hell to U.S. forces overseas, smart guy. The feds have to get out of those vehicles to make the people do, or stop doing, anything. It's all about commitment.

    70. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Wow, so we must have really won the Vietnam war? Our superior firepower was no match for the enemy! The fall of Saigon never happened! USA! USA!

      Saigon was a foreign jungle.

      The US military is plenty familiar with central military, and your local police force is plenty familiar with your neighborhood.

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    71. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      A small bunch of greatly outnumbered, pretty much untrained guys with AKs, RPGs, and IEDs have given (and still are giving) bloody hell to U.S. forces overseas, smart guy.

      But your not "overseas", smart guy.

      You know who had plenty guns? Randy Weaver. He didn't fare so well against Big Government, did he?

      It's all about commitment.

      It's interesting that there is a group of people who cling religiously to the part of the government which they say protects gun ownership, but completely forget the part that makes attempted overthrow of the U.S. government an act of treason. They want to protect the Constitution by violating it, which shows how well thought-out the Second Amendment activists are.

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    72. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed - they're only treated as people when it's beneficial.

      When it comes to manslaughter, embezzelment, perjury, racketeering, theft, or any of the other things that amoral fictitious entities get up to; well then all of a sudden blame is spread all over so nobody is responsible.

    73. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I've seen all of those, but I've also read the Improvised Munitions Handbook. I think people like you underestimate the power of citizenry with small arms on their own turf.

    74. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yes. Your point? Sufficiently large numbers miss the sarcasm/irony, that there's no reason for someone to not answer the question, even if the question wasn't serious.

    75. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Oooh, my very own AC stalker. Too much a coward to respond to my posts, so responds to responses to my posts only. So sad.

    76. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny I don't remember the 2nd giving you the right to bear RPGs and IEDs.

    77. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, now you can live in your blissfully ignorant little 'Murika bubble without anyone to challenge your irrational xenophobia, constant fear of terrorism, McDonald's diet or belief in a magical sky daddy.

      You're not real bright Einstein, so let me explain a few things. Yes, I am a US citizen. No, not everything in life is binary. There are huge numbers of "Murikans" who HATE the TSA (I am one), HATE the US government's police state and policing the rest of the world, are NOT "xenophobic" (in fact I love other countries, I can list 10 I'd rather live in, and my best friends are from other countries), I most CERTAINLY do not eat a "McDonald's diet", and "magical sky daddy"? Oh that's right- you're not real bright.

      It would be fairly easy to leave the US for selfish reasons. However, I'm a descendant of the founders of the USA and I feel a moral obligation to stay and fight. If all of the bright progressive people leave a country, well, how's that going to end up? I'll help you: much worse than things are now.

      It's amazing how pompous arrogant idiots can so easily stereotype and generalize.

    78. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Land of the Fees, home of the Slaves.

    79. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      That's only because we care about collateral damage. If we wanted to, we could level every structure in those two countries in about 3 days and there would be absolutely nothing that those guys with AKs, RPGs, and IEDs could do about it.

    80. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      When you talk about free markets, since it is a term that has been in use for quite some time, it will be assumed that you are talking about the traditional use of that term, not one tailored to your individual interpretation of what free means. Countries that are considered free have never been those without laws. Have a look at the freedom index and note that Iceland is considered free, despite having laws and Somalia is not considered free despite their being no effective government to make laws. Your definition of free being the absence of law is a purely theoretical idea and is not taken seriously in the real world.

      The freedom referred to as a free market is not a complete lack of restraint on any type of activity. It is a lack of price regulation and monopolies, the freedom to find other suppliers or buyers. The structure of courts, police etc. makes large scale free markets possible. In this way free markets are dependent on government. You can read about it in Wealth of Nations or you could keep your own individual definition and argue against that I suppose.

    81. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woosh

    82. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Funny I don't remember the 2nd giving you the right to bear RPGs and IEDs.

      Why not? That's the question a second amendment activist would ask.

      If you base your understanding on the second amendment as being a mechanism to protect individuals from "tyranny", then the second amendment protects the rights of individuals to own any weaponry they choose, and certainly any weaponry that the government has.

      See, if we accept the notion that there is a line above which a weapon is just too dangerous for a civilian to own, then this becomes a discussion about where to set that line. Why should automatic weapons be illegal but semi-automatic weapons legal? Where is the line? Is it in the number of bullets per minute that the weapon can fire? Is it in the lethality of the weapon? Is it in the size of the round?

      This is the discussion that the second amendment activists really don't want to have, because if you accept the notion that there is a line between weapons that are acceptable for civilians and those that are not, then the entire notion that the second amendment is there to protect against tyranny falls to pieces, and we're right back at where we were for most of our nation's history: where the second amendment applied to a well-regulated militia and did not protect individual arms ownership.

      But you can go to such mainstream conservative publications like Reason Magazine to find the argument that civilians should be able to own any weapon they please, including (and they say this explicitly) shoulder mount anti-aircraft missiles, depleted uranium projectiles and right on up through biological weapons and nukes, because everyone has a right, given by their creator no less, to defend themselves from any perceived (or imagined) threat.

      But mention any of Israel's neighbors getting a nuke and they crap themselves. Because it's all a game of prisoner's dilemma to the Right, and they're losing, and it's making them paranoid as hell. And the more macho, the more tough-talking, the more paranoid.

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    83. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by fnj · · Score: 1

      You think so, do you?

    84. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by fnj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny I don't remember the 2nd giving you the right to bear RPGs and IEDs.

      1) Nor does it withhold the right. The simple fact is that it does not mention any particular types of "arms". The 2nd Amendment doesn't "give" anybody any rights. It prohibits the federal government from infringing on a right asserted to exist naturally. The distinction matters. The entire constitution is a document limiting what the federal government can do, not "allowing" citizens certain rights.

      2) Small arms fire will do quite nicely in the absence of RPGs and IEDs, if case you didn't notice. So far this year [Sep 2012] more than 50 coalition troops—most American—have been gunned down by Afghan police or soldiers, or nearly one out of every seven coalition fatalities. That is gunfire, not RPGs or IEDs. Rifle fire can penetrate a kevlar helmet, and not every part of the body (the face and the legs containing the femoral arteries, for example)

      3) If civil war breaks out, it won't matter much if ownership of weapons is infringed. The fighters will acquire weapons the same way insurgencies in Iraq, Afghanistan and countless other places have; the same way drug lords do. It is the attempted criminalization of law abiding citizens in a time of domestic peace which is offensive.

    85. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ?
      >I know it is in Australia (ACCC).... would have thought US had more protection.

      No and more to the point the ACCC would play no part in it if it became a reality here.

      From what I've read and understand - this is only stopping 'unauthorised' unlocking, ie. running a Nokia DCT4 Unlock yourself.
      This is NOT stopping the carriers from unlocking a phone or your ability to buy an unlocked phone.

      If you purchased a 'locked' phone, then it was likely sold to you at a subsidised price with a contract to ensure the phone campany earns back at least the money they covered with the subsidy.
      The phone companies want to block unauthorised unlocking to prevent customer X buying a $600 phone for $100 then unlocking it and using it carrier Y.

      If you are adverse to the idea of being 'locked' to a carrier - then simply DO NOT buy a locked phone.

    86. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      That is a wholly different situation. When you mortgage a home, you have a loan secured against the value of your house. The rules the bank asks you to obey are basically there to stop you devaluing the house. You must have insurance, for example, so that if the house is destroyed you have a payout large enough to repay your loan.

      Completely different with phones. your contract isn't "secured against the value of the handset". It's not like if you don't pay, they take your iPhone off you to recoup the lost money on eBay (they can't even if they want to- it's not that sort of arrangement). There's no reason why you couldn't take the phone out of the shop and immediately throw it in the nearest river- as long as you make your contractual payments, it should matter a jot to the company.

    87. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While It has been pointed out you ignored the joke, I do have to agree that it feels harsh. Having been accused of something that I did not do, twice, and having been in court for a year now, it is rough. I'm unsure where the freedom lies, as I have never experienced any other kind. I'm not world traveled. Thankfully it has not affect my job, or my friends. . . Yet. I post AC as to not make it worse in court.

    88. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my point was that Americans assign values to rights to favor the US ranking. Anything that balances the rights differently is "bad". What's funny is that most non-Americans think their system is better. So we can't have a discussion on it because it's a nationalistic issue, and logic is irrelevant.

    89. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      And if I'm not mistaken, they can sell you a subsidized phone, but lock you in a contract. If you decide to break the contract, you have to return them the subsidy, or a proportional part of it. This is the most fair model I can imagine.

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    90. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by agoliveira · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's correct.

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    91. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I know it is in Australia

      Don't worry, the US will fix that in their next "free" trade "agreement", just as they have done in the past with your antiquated copyright laws that failed to meet the needs of poor, disadvantaged global media conglomorates.

    92. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      In a free market one side always dominates the other, the deal is never fair. The idea that someone will come along and undercut the big guys is flawed because it is in their interest to just join the big guys in screwing everyone [...]

      It's a bit more complicated than that, from Wikipedia

      There are several factors that will affect the firms' ability to monitor a cartel:[7]
      Number of firms in the industry
      Characteristics of the products sold by the firms
      Production costs of each member
      Behaviour of demand
      Frequency of sales and their characteristics

      Unfortunately, all of these factors push for a stable cartel in the phone company business: There are relatively few companies, and it is hard to make a new one, they all sell more or less the same thing and have the same production cost, the demand is not fluctuating and the market consists of many small sales. So in this case, you are right, it will be hard to get a functional market, which makes it a prime place to put in effect consumer protection laws.

    93. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We note your wording applies to US citizens in the US, and not visitors, residents, or others (see GITMO). Also, the measuring was done by US citizens who want a specific outcome.

      *whoosh*

      His wording applies to US Corporations. Not humans.

      He is correct. US corporations have virtual impunity before the law, whereas humans with US 'citizenship' are second class citizens with far fewer rights and freedoms than their counterparts in many other developed nations, such as Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc.

    94. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Small arms fire will do quite nicely in the absence of RPGs and IEDs, if case you didn't notice. So far this year [Sep 2012] more than 50 coalition troops—most American—have been gunned down by Afghan police or soldiers, or nearly one out of every seven coalition fatalities. [wsj.com] That is gunfire, not RPGs or IEDs.

      That's because we still give a shit about civilian casualties and collatoral damage. If we prosecuted today's wars the way we did WW II, the small arms fire would simply open up an obvious target for enfalading fire and/or carpet bombing.

      Don't kid yourself. If a government's back is sufficiently against the wall, the gloves will come off and your small arms will only serve to pinpoint you as a target for the much bigger guns, daisycutters, or whatever else the authorities think is needed to remove you as a threat to their powerbase, usually referred to as 'society'.

    95. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by jpstanle · · Score: 2

      Except the phone is "paid off" the moment it is purchased. We all know two-year contracts are effectively installlment plans for $600 phones, but at the point of sale, I own the phone outright. There is nothing in the contract about an installment plan. There is no "carrier lien" on the phone. If they want to have that leverage, then they can explicitly finance phones with secured debt the way every other industry does it.

      And even in that case, there's not much leverage. I finance my truck, and the bank requires me to carry insurance and keep it legally roadworthy, but I am free to re-paint it, modify it, repair it, or smash it up with a sledge hammer "for that weathered look" if I feel like it.

    96. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you do that, meanwhile the intelligent people will simply go elsewhere.

      Keep fighting the "good" fight, lil buddy.

    97. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, 50 KIA? and how many hundreds, or thousands, of Afghan fighters have been killed in that timeframe? US forces have done a pretty good job of keeping the kill ratio in their favor in the past 50 years. Your sad militias of overweight rednecks are not going to do squat against actual military forces.

    98. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Dunega · · Score: 1

      I try to tighten my freedoms on a regular basis, but they just keep loosening up.

    99. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's not the criteria.

      In situations where someone acting as agent for a company knowingly, willfully breaks the law, that's where courts start looking at breaking liability veils. In criminal cases, individuals within a company can be sent to jail.

      Sometimes we see miscarriages of justice, but it's not because "companies are people". In most situations, they're not.

    100. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great how something that doesn't have a pulse is a person. It does suck, because those people pay the GOVT to do what they want.

    101. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something that doesn't have a pulse is a person? Blame the GOVT for that, mate!

    102. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      Why? Citizens in the US have more freedom than anywhere else on the planet.

      I think it can be argued that Germany may have more freedoms than the U.S.A. Sure, you can find certain aspects where the U.S has more freedom, but I'll counter that with where Germany has more freedom.

      Am I certain that Germany has more freedoms? No, but you can't be sure the U.S. has more either. It all depends on how much weight one gives specific freedoms in each country -- and that is subjective.

      -- Signed by an American who just moved to Germany two months ago with his German wife.

    103. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      Oh... and since this article is talking talking about cell phones: you can buy pretty much any cell phone you like and pair it with pretty much any phone carrier you like. That's something you can't seem to do in the U.S. So much for "more freedom" in the U.S.

    104. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by mister2au · · Score: 1

      There is nothing in the contract about an installment plan.

      Is that normal is the US?

      I thought most contracts had an early termination costs which represents the rest of the installments? Certainly in Australia that is the case - sometimes as explicit handset/plan items (where you pay the remaining handset installments) but sometimes as a single bundled cost (where you pay a percentage break-cost like 50%)

    105. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      Comapnies shouldnt require a law - especially one with such serious rammifications - to enforce their choice of bisiness model. Either put up with the loss, write termination fees into the contract, or price the phones more realistically.

      It's sickening that you have allowed your lawmakers to go ahead with this.

    106. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      America is also the best country in the world to be an illegal alien (where citizens will subsidize all manners of existence for them).

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    107. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yep, exactly. Makes me wonder why people are bothering with this petition. Should we not be simply trying to get the DMCA revoked?

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    108. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      An individual Citizen with a musket (or a canon or ship of the line, for that matter - as was often the case in the early US history) was no more or less protected from his government by his implements of war and defense than someone today is protected by his rifle against an M1 or an Apache.

      People have to sleep. They have to live their lives. If the government wants to assassinate you, they will - eventually. You've got a number.

      The threat to a tyrannical government isn't in the armed individual. An individual member of said government is quite potentially endangered, however, and since governments are composed of individuals just as the citizenry is, it's a more level playing field. The firearm is the great equalizer, granting the weak the ability to stand up against the strong, and sometimes bite the heel of tyranny.

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    109. Re:Isn't banning unlocking anti-competitive ? by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      Okay... so, like TFA says, if you keep your PHONE after the 2 years of contract.. YOU CAN FUCKING UNLOCK IT.
      English... learn it.

  2. Paying more for locked device by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article: "In the long run, you will likely end up paying more for your locked device than for an unlocked one." But how is this true even when the only carrier with coverage in your area doesn't give a discount on monthly service for bringing your own phone?

    1. Re:Paying more for locked device by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Likely does not mean certain in all cases. The trend toward providing unlocked phones at full price, instead of subsidized ones, will on average save people money. You can of course find a case where it doesn't. In theory having a free market will eventually level such differences, such as how T-Mobile has started unlocking more and focusing on monthly rate to seem competitive. Monopoly situations where there is only one carrier available do not operate as a free market.

    2. Re:Paying more for locked device by JC61990 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its called pre-paid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators this is a list of every pre-paid carrier in the US, and what carrier they mooch off of. So if your so called "only" carrier in the area is on this list as an MVNO carrier, then you can take your unlocked phone to that provider and pay WAY WAY less than any on-contract carrier.

    3. Re:Paying more for locked device by jittles · · Score: 1

      From the article: "In the long run, you will likely end up paying more for your locked device than for an unlocked one." But how is this true even when the only carrier with coverage in your area doesn't give a discount on monthly service for bringing your own phone?

      You obviously live in a rural paradise. I switched from AT&T (where I had a massive corporate discount) to Sprint after AT&T changed the way that they calculated discounts. It was then $20 a month cheaper to be on Sprint. After my contract ended there, I bought an unlocked smart phone and switched to Walmart Family mobile (AKA T-mobile) and am paying less for unlimited everything on two lines than I was with 1 line on Sprint. My unlocked smartphone has already paid for itself in the first year. I'm hoping to keep it for ~4 more years and save thousands of dollars.

    4. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought my unlocked phone for $300 brand new and have only spent about $200 additional in prepaid service fees for the past two years. On a contract I would have paid $30-$50/month, which would have come out to be a lot more.

    5. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not a list of per-paid carriers, it is a list if virtual carriers. The virtual carriers in my area all offer contract plans, and some don't even offer pre-paid at all. Furthermore, I have yet to see a pre-paid plan that is actually cheaper than a contract plan, unless you don't want to actually use the phone (ie. monthly costs are low, but calls are expensive).

      This is a meme I keep hearing over and over in the last few years, that you get screwed on contracts. However, where I live anyways, it simply isn't true. You get screwed NOT going on contract here. Plus, if you see a better deal somewhere else, just call your carrier and haggle with them and they'll likely give you the good deal too. I do this about once a year and am paying way, way less than the current advertised plan prices. You can't really do that without a contract.

    6. Re:Paying more for locked device by xaxa · · Score: 0

      I bought an HTC Desire unlocked but subsidised, on a 2-year contract. I spent a few hours finding the best online deal: it was £17.50/month, which worked out to £420, roughly the retail price of the phone, so I essentially got the service (unlimited internet, texts, 400 minutes) free for two years.

      The contract ended in September, but I was a bit disorganised and had a couple of foreign trips, so it's taken me until yesterday to sort out a new contract. I'll be paying £6.90/month for 500MB internet, 5000 texts and 400 minutes. (I tried to get another really good deal, the same contract but for £3/month, but suspiciously "failed the credit check"... hmmm)

    7. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The paragraph isn't factoring a monthly discount for bringing your own phone. It's talking about the savings possible from avoiding roaming charges when on international travel.

      This ruling may be a blessing in disguise as it may push more people to buy their phones outright and seek providers that don't build the subsidy into their plan pricing. As others have already mentioned, there is a mnvo option available for all the big carrier networks. You make compromises going with a mvno but only when enough customers vote with their $$ will the big carriers be forced to offer the option of unsubsidized plans.

    8. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing you don't actually use your phone much. The pre paid plans where I live are great if you want an emergency phone or make one call a week and don't use any data, but for regular usage they are extremely expensive. This may all vary by locale, but my experience so far has been that you get the cheapest phone costs by getting a steep subsidy on a good contract plan, and then haggling for an even better plan.

    9. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In wish I lived in the UK. I know a couple people who looked and looked for cheapest per month cellphones they could find (for emergency phones), and they both ended on (two different) $10/month plans. For that they get... 100 minutes. No data. No texts.

      I've personally worked very hard to get the best plan plus deals possible, doing a lot of research and haggling, and I'm paying $50/month for unlimited everything. It's about half what you'd for a good advertised plan here (pre-paids are terrible for actual usage).

    10. Re:Paying more for locked device by Mousit · · Score: 1

      I think it largely depends on usage. Back before I had a smartphone, PAYG was way, way cheaper than contract. As in I paid about $25 per quarter for service. That was just voice and text though, no data at all.

      Frankly though, I think the off-contract being cheaper is true for a vast amount of the U.S. Anywhere where the AT&T network is usable (I use the term "usable" subjectively of course), you can use StraightTalk, as they're an MVNO for the AT&T network. In fact their SIMs will even work in phones that are SIM-locked to AT&T. They sell SIM-only, and welcome bring-your-own-phone. StraightTalk has a $45/mo unlimited talk/text/data, and they allow smartphones on that plan (they just recently made an announcement they'll begin selling iPhones directly, and with that plan). AT&T actually makes a point of saying their PAYG plans don't allow smartphones, though you can get around that of course.

      I mean, you're welcome to call AT&T and haggle with them, "Hey StraightTalk gives this deal on your network so surely you can give me a good deal!" To that I just say: good luck.

    11. Re:Paying more for locked device by green1 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that in North America it's almost impossible to find any situation in which the full price phone saves you money. Because in all of North America there is only 1 carrier that allows you to pay less for service if you bring your own phone.

      I have no problem with paying full price for a phone, what I have a problem with is paying full price for a phone AND paying more than full price in my contract to cover a phone I could have been given but chose not to. It's cheaper for me to take the "free" phone from the carrier every time.

    12. Re:Paying more for locked device by green1 · · Score: 1

      Except that ALL pre-paid services where I live work out more expensive than the post-paid services.

      There is no cheaper way to get cell service than with the carrier's "free" phone on a 3yr contract. Not because you don't pay for the phone, but because the carriers make sure you pay for it whether you take it or not, and because the pre-paid contracts cost more per minute and per meg then post-paid, and the minutes and megs expire if you don't use them, ensuring a minimum monthly payment to keep your phone. a monthly payment that is more than a cheap post-paid plan which comes with more features.

      Pre-paid plans where I live are for suckers afraid of commitment and willing to pay through the nose to avoid being "locked in" to a cheaper plan.

    13. Re:Paying more for locked device by greg1104 · · Score: 2

      "Almost impossible"? Not the majority yet, sure, but that's how a transition happens--with one competitor willing to offer a better deal. Not so long ago it did feel like zero of them. But we do have T-Mobile as the main carrier doing "value" bundles now. There's also reseller Straight Talk though, which piggybacks off AT&T too, and that's a TracFone Wireless / Walmar offering. You can't say something is that hard to find in the US when Walmart carries it. I've also bought from multiple pre-paid wireless services, where buying your phone outright and up-front was a requirement.

      Now, if your problem is that coverage of these alternatives isn't very good compared to Verizon, that I'd agree with. It's still a relatively new option, and it hasn't been around long enough to apply economic pressure to Verizon yet. At least it's an option at all now. I am renegotiating my T-Mobile contract with a fully owned phone in hand this upcoming month, and it wasn't that hard to reach this point.

    14. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, I use it a lot. I get free anytime calls to anyone on the same carrier (T-Mobile) and free calls to anyone nationwide from 7PM to 7AM, the times when I make the vast majority of my calls. My data is charged on a per use basis of $1.50 per 24 hour period, unlimited for the duration. At work or home, I just use wifi.

    15. Re:Paying more for locked device by jelle · · Score: 1

      Nice for some people, but... there is always a 'but'... Here one 'but' is that straight talk doesn't allow tethering. The only way to do that (legally) on the AT&T network is with AT&T's 'mobile share' contract that includes paying for the phone subsidy...

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    16. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at just the numbers you've provided, you say you've spent only $200 in two years, but then say that data costs $1.40 per day you use it - so if you had used data only once per week you would have hit your $200 in two years, without looking at any other costs. If you think once a week is using it a "lot", then our definitions are vastly different. Why not post all the costs of your plan and usage?

    17. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where do you live, I save a fortune using boost.

    18. Re:Paying more for locked device by green1 · · Score: 1

      Not in the USA, but in a country that follows the USA's lead in everything, so I'm sure we'll have your illegal to unlock law soon enough.

    19. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did. Perhaps you missed the part where I said data is charged on a per use basis. That means I have access to wifi most of the time and for the remainder I can enable data as needed. I could use it once, twice, three times or more a week as necessary. Not sure what is so difficult to comprehend.

      My plan is $0.10/min if a call a non T-Mobile phone outside of the hours of 7PM and 7AM. Again, as I already said, the vast majority of my calls are to other T-Mobile customers or during 7PM to 7AM. Understand now, or should I use smaller words?

    20. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re-read what I said: if you use cellular data even one time per week, then you will go over your $200 in two years claim. You still haven't said what the actual plan costs. Is it $10/month? $20? Aso, Tmobile accounts for only about 10% of cellphones in the USA, so assuming you call a random assortment of people, having free Tmobile calls would only reduce your call costs by about 10%. Free evenings is fun, but is useful only as a family and friends caller, basically. And 10c per minute translates into almost $50/month for the average user.

      Here, I'll make an assumption. I'm guessing when you said you have spent $200 in two years, you meant that your plan costs around $8 per month, and you don't ever have additional charges. So for $8 you can call friends and family after 7pm. You don't get data. You don't get texts. You don't make calls during the day. This is not how most people use their phones. On your plan, the average person would probably end up spending something like $50 or $60 per month (it depends what texts cost - if they are crazy like $0.25 then the bill could get huge very fast).

      I myself would end up spending around $100/month just for calls on your plan, and another $40 for data, and god knows how much on texts. Great plan! You've basically brought an anecdote that pre-paid plans are crap if you actually use your phone. Whoops.

    21. Re:Paying more for locked device by xaxa · · Score: 1

      For a true emergency phone, I'd expect to get a pay-as-you-go phone and top it up by the minimum amount (£5?) once a year or so to keep the SIM active. (I was given a phone for emergencies when I was about 14, in 2000. The phone was about £30, calls were about 50p/minute, but I hardly ever needed to make one.)

      I have a German SIM (I go there once or twice a year). The network sends me a text after about 6 months of inactivity, telling me I have a further 12 months before the SIM is disconnected.

      $50/£30 is about what a normal contract with a smartphone included costs. See https://www.o2.co.uk/browsing/tariffs/apple/iphone-5-16gb-black/ for examples with an iPhone, I think most people with iPhones probably get something like that.

    22. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you use cellular data even one time per week, then you will go over your $200 in two years claim

      52 weeks * 2 years * $1.50 = $156. That's only if I needed to use the cellular data service that much. Some weeks I use it more than others, but only if I'm away from wifi, which is pretty hard to be in this city.

      You still haven't said what the actual plan costs. Is it $10/month? $20?

      There is no monthly fee, that's what "prepaid" means. I put money into my account whenever I need it. Any amount in my account rolls over and the account balance does not expire for 1 year from the last time I deposited funds.

      Tmobile accounts for only about 10% of cellphones in the USA, so assuming you call a random assortment of people, having free Tmobile calls would only reduce your call costs by about 10%

      Most of the people I know use T-Mobile. For the others, I can eat fifty cents here and there. For those "random" people my calls generally consist of "meet me here at this time" or "running late, see you when I get there".

      Free evenings is fun, but is useful only as a family and friends caller, basically.

      Who else would I be calling but family or friends on my personal phone? We all have to work, so 7PM to 7AM (I also get free weekends) is perfect.

      And 10c per minute translates into almost $50/month for the average user.

      Maybe if they are unemployed and like to talk on the phone a lot. I would have to purposely go out of my way to rack up 500 minutes of talk during working hours and to non T-Mobile users.

      You don't get data. You don't get texts.

      I get both. Data on demand, as I already outlined, and unlimited texts.

      You don't make calls during the day.

      Sure I do. I just don't blab on for hours. If I have to make a call during the day, it's generally for official reasons, like scheduling appointments. That doesn't take more than a few minutes and I could do it from my office phone.

      This is not how most people use their phones.

      It is for the people I know. See, we have jobs and responsibility. We can't sit around watching Jerry Springer and chatting all day.

    23. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're on slashdot. You're not a normal user. An average user users their phone a lot. It's about 500 minutes a month, and most of that is not after 7pm. And by your own math you basically can't use data more than rarely. My whole point was that is not using it a "lot".

      More importantly however, you are telling me that you've signed up for a pre-paid plan that has no mandatory costs, and gives you free evenings and texts? You have GOT to link me to this plan! Look if you give me the link to this plan, I'll will eat my words and exclaim that pre-paid plans can be awesome.

    24. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No link to share? I didn't think so. Here, I'll share the link to TMobiles pre-paid plans, since you've run away:
      http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/pay-by-the-day-cell-phone-plans

      Notice that the only plan that has 10c/minute talk is the $1/day plan. That's right, you'd have to pay $1 every single day you even want to use your phone, on top of any other charges. That plan doesn't even allow data usage. It certainly doesn't have free evenings. To even get data capable plans cost a minimum of $2 every single day you want to use your phone for anything(!) (watch out for background apps using data!). And that plan is limited to 2G data service. Fun! $60/month for 2G! But let's not stop there, if you pay $3/day you can get an astonishing 4G connection (for the first 200MB anyways...). Yes folks, that's only $90/month. That BLOWS AWAY contract plans. Truly it does.

      The only way any of those plans make any sense is... Wait for it... "you don't actually use your phone much"! I wish I had just said that right from the beginning, then we could have saved a lot of typing. Wait...

    25. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Run away? No, more like I have a job and responsibility. I can't sit around refreshing Slashdot all day like you apparently can.

      My plan isn't listed on their site. Maybe they don't offer it any more, but I still have the same benefits as when I started it 6 years ago.

      And, yes, I do use my phone a lot. Primarily on evenings and weekends. Cellular data is only required sometimes, on the rare occasion that I don't have access to wifi. I get as much use out of my phone as is possible by a person not sitting around watching soap operas all day and I saved a load of money by not going subsidized.

    26. Re:Paying more for locked device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're either lying through your teeth or deluded. From what you've said your plan clearly falls in the pre-paid by the day plans, meaning to get your 'free' evenings you have to pay for the day. At $1.50 per day, your "$200 in two years" would have allowed you a maximum of slightly more than one day per week. You think using your phone once a week is a lot? Seriously?

      On top if that, if you read the fine print on the TMobile website, it says you have to keep your account balance with more than 60 days worth in it, and if it drops below that you get moved to pay as you go automatically and you have 90 days to spend the remainder. 60 days on your plan would mean you have to keep a balance of $90 on your account right from the beginning, and you'd get popped into the $50 pay as you go plan with no data, 13c calls, 15c texts. Basically you get screwed out of that $90 which you had to let them hold for your entire 'non' contract time. It's like a reverse subsidized contract - you give them money and get nothing, rather than them giving you a phone and paying it off slowly. That's a terrible deal. Specifically, if you spent $300 on your phone, $200 in two years, and had to put down $90 just to hold the account, you've spent the equivalent of $25 per month for the last two years, for just over ONE day per week of usage. That's a TERRIBLE deal. Can't you see that?

  3. I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...and I'll be unlocking them now that they've made it "illegal". I just don't fucking care what the United States government has to say about anything, anymore. They've lost all credibility in the eyes of most intelligent, thinking people.

    1. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Funny

      but Corporations are people too!

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    2. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by greg1104 · · Score: 1

      Only terrorists unlock their phones illegally! Enjoy your stay at the FEMA camp!

    3. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by anagama · · Score: 1

      Don't get caught. $500,000 penalty and 5 years in the pokey. I imagine that is per offense.

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    4. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by anagama · · Score: 2

      As an afterthought, it occurs to me that you'll be sharing jail time with:

      -- The guy who got caught smoking a joint in a national forest.
      -- The guy who raped his sister, gouged her eyes out with a spoon, fed them to his dog, and then bludgeoned her to death.

      You won't be spending any jail time with the guys who laundered money for Al Queda for a decade. Their punishment is that they will have to defer collecting a portion of their annual bonus for five years. I'll bet the deferred part doesn't even earn interest. The horror! (*)

      Anyway, of the following groups: phone unlockers, pot heads, murders, terrorist's financial planners -- 100% of those who should not be imprisoned will be, and only 50% of those that ought to be will be.

      (*) http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213

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    5. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get caught. $500,000 penalty and 5 years in the pokey. I imagine that is per offense.

      Land of the free my arse. How the fuck is this just or reasonable? Half a mill and 5 years in a pound in the arse prison for saying "Fuck it I want to use my phone on another carrier even though this carrier subsidised me). Just walking into the phone store and fucking robbing it might get you less jail time. Fuck the lot of you and your government - greedy corrupt inbred motherfuckers!

    6. Re:I was unlocking phones before they "allowed it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, they don't just throw prisoners in together randomly. Ever wonder why you see prisoners in different coloured clothing? It's to separate the lower offense criminals from the insane eye gouging rapists. Blue is for low risk, yellow is medium and red or orange is high risk. They keep all of the blues together in one pod, with maybe one or two yellows, all of the yellows in another with maybe one or two red/oranges and all of the red/oranges together by themselves.

      Pot smokers and white collar criminals will certainly be in blues.

  4. same network no contract price by raymorris · · Score: 2

    the phone subsidy is there to sell pricey contracts. If your don't want the subsidy, look at the network's no-contract affiliate.

  5. is it all about the software on the phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If i read the article correctly , the whole issue is with the software on the phone and the copyright on it. So if i hack my android phone and flash my legal aosp or CM rom on it, where is the dmca problem?

    further, network locking is something else then software locking. so how is network locking related to software locking and dmca?

    1. Re:is it all about the software on the phone? by GeorgeMonroy · · Score: 1

      They are the same! Software is used to network lock your phone. =)

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    2. Re:is it all about the software on the phone? by the_B0fh · · Score: 2

      The DCMA problem is in the part that you cannot flash, O Mighty Open Sourcerer.

      You do realize that you don't normally flash the phony bits right? That's why the Nexus on Verizon had issues being upgraded, etc etc.

    3. Re:is it all about the software on the phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is about unlocking phones to be used on other carriers, not rooting it to install a different OS. It's not the same thing.

    4. Re:is it all about the software on the phone? by anagama · · Score: 1

      What strikes me even more is the fact that it was the Librarian of Library of Congress who made this a crime. Seriously? The Librarian? It sort of sheds light on Harvey Silverberg's estimate that people commit three Federal felonies per day -- unwittingly but intent is no longer a factor.

      See myth three: https://secure.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/myths-of-the-criminal-justice-system_n_879768.html

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    5. Re:is it all about the software on the phone? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      What strikes me even more is the fact that it was the Librarian of Library of Congress who made this a crime. Seriously? The Librarian?

      Makes total sense. Unlocking a phone was _always_ a DMCA violation. The Librarian was tasked to find cases where doing something should be legal, even though it was a DMCA violation; found it necessary to make an exception for phone unlocking three years ago, but not anymore. The Librarian didn't _make_ it a crime. The Librarian made an exemption three years ago so it wasn't a crime and removed that exemption.

  6. Because the firmware's copyright? by xaxa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FTA:

    Why is it illegal to unlock a smartphone?
    Because unlocking a phone requires making changes to its firmware – software that is copyrighted and owned by your carrier – which would be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

    I don't understand. If I buy a book, and make some edits (cross out some paragraphs, change some words) that's not illegal. Perhaps it would be if I distributed the book (or copies of it). Selling pens to make the edits isn't illegal either.

    How is changing firmware different?

    1. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by the_B0fh · · Score: 2

      Because code is different by law. If you don't like it, get it changed.

      And don't think book publishers are not trying to do that "not sold, only licensed" shit as well.

    2. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah, my question is answered in the next part of the article:

      Furthermore, new court decisions have changed the interpretation of the law. In 2010, the Ninth Circuit court decided in Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc that we cell phone owners do not actually “own” the software running our phones. Instead, we are only “licensing” this software – a key difference – which means that we don’t have a right to alter that software. This also played a role in the Librarian’s decision.

    3. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think this is wrong. IIRC from the last time I unlocked a phone, there is a screen where one enters an unlock code. That already seems to be provided in firmware for exactly this purpose. So nothing is getting modified.

      Once the code is entered, it is stored in the phone in a location (apparently) provided for this purpose. Subsequently, each time the phone bots up, it looks at this location first rather than having to look on the carrier's SIM for a code.

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    4. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since the kernel of an Android phone is Linux, shouldn't the GPL figure in here? After all, I can modify the kernel all I want given the license. Perhaps a kernel module distributed allowing root access and unlock of firmware.

      And I still haven't figured out how "copyright" should figure in here either. How is rooting / unlocking circumventing copyright. Especially given the carrier doesn't own copyright of the firmware....

    5. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the firmware replaces the device's original firmware wholesale, it's not "modification" of the copyrighted software.

      Where's the Cracked Phone Linux? Is everyone afraid of regulators being pissy about FOSS? What are they going to do, hunt you down like a pirate radio station? Not likely. Especially if the new firmware follows the functionality of the device closely and doesn't deviate from the acceptable norms.

      And it's not a DMCA violation if you aren't using their original code. Clean-room reverse engineering can solve this, both technically and legally. The rest of it is up to personal property rights, which are politically unsafe to modify in the US.

      The only drawback is that this is a lot of work.

    6. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand. If I buy a book, and make some edits (cross out some paragraphs, change some words) that's not illegal. Perhaps it would be if I distributed the book (or copies of it). Selling pens to make the edits isn't illegal either.

      It's even more illegal than removing furniture and mattress tags. You should have posted AC- they're coming for you now boy.

      (Oh no- my captcha word is "worries"!)

    7. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is changing firmware different?

      Because it's digital, and common sense has been thrown out for digital goods.

      You see, copyright used to come into play when you copied something. As long as you only used it, it didn't matter. The book you bought, you could do with as you pleased, read or not, write comments into the margins, rip out pages and re-arrange them in an order you prefer, whatever.

      Only when you made copies of your Romeo & Juliet where the death scene is at the beginning and the rest follows with the word "Zombie" inserted here and there would you be in violation of copyright (well, not really due to that one having expired, but you get the point).

      You'd assume it would be the same for a digital book, but it's not. Someone who should be in an asylum instead of a court room decided that in order to read a digital, you have to load it from storage into memory, which is making a copy and thus copyright applies which means the author can dictate terms.

      That's why you don't own the firmware, and you don't even own the copy of the firmware on your phone, but if the manufacturer were to, say, distribute the firmware as a print copy the way very very early computer magazines once included software you could transcribe into your computer, then you could do whatever you want with the paper copy, including changing it.

      If you think that's crazy, conf. "asylum" above.

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    8. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Cinder6 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why is it illegal to unlock a smartphone?
      Because unlocking a phone requires making changes to its firmware – software that is copyrighted and owned by your carrier – which would be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

      IANAL, but I'm confused. I thought the "point" of the DMCA was to crack down on copyright violations. Code modification would be a DMCA violation if it allowed you to violate copyright, such as bypassing DRM.

      "Changing" the copyrighted carrier code doesn't seem to violate copyright, as I understand it, as you are not under legal obligation to use a particular carrier (there's even a clause that allows you to break contract, for a price). Also, what "changes" does the unlocking process commit? If it's simply code removal, then, simply uninstalling a game from your computer is a DMCA violation by extension.

      Of course, I'm trying to make sense of something that is inherently illogical. Why is this a DMCA violation, and modding Skyrim isn't? Or is modding Skyrim a violation, and Bethesda simply allows it?

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    9. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by bicho · · Score: 2

      But flashing a memory is not altering the software, it's altering the memory, isn't it? The contents of the memory is not the original software any more.

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    10. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The crazy thing is who easily that passes, with that logic start thinking about how much of your "belongings" really aren't. You don't own your car, TV, stove, refrigerator, freezer, dish washer, washing machine and so on as I can guarantee they have micro-controllers with copyrighted software on them. The US has become the world leaders in hollowing out private ownership, not because it's really owned by the state like in communism but because it's really owned by the corporations, you just have a limited use license. Don't you dare tamper with that washing machine or the DMCA will come get you.

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    11. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by RealTime · · Score: 1

      Only when you made copies of your Romeo & Juliet where the death scene is at the beginning and the rest follows with the word "Zombie" inserted here and there would you be in violation of copyright (well, not really due to that one having expired, but you get the point).

      Actually, no, this should not be a violation of copyright as it seems very much like a parody of the original work, which is recognized as a form of Fair Use.

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    12. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Unlocking my Galaxy S II was done via twiddling a bit in NVRAM. That's not even firmware. It angers me that they can justify crap like this to ram down stupid laws like that.

    13. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What counts as "altering" the software? If you change the wallpaper, change the volume, install some apps, make your preferred app the default for certain actions instead of the pre-installed one? Unlocking is usually as simple as entering a code that sets a flag in some configuration file, it doesn't actually alter the code that runs.

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    14. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Dzimas · · Score: 2

      I unlocked several phones recently by entering a code generated by a carrier unlocking program. It was essentially a password generated by algorithm. NO code modification was required, and the unlocking process is coded into the original firmware. This is not rooting your phone. Nor is it rocket surgery.

    15. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by kwardroid · · Score: 1

      The lock is in the radio part of the phone, a seperate processor and firmware, accessible through a radio interface (ril). GPL doesn't apply here.

    16. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The things you own end up owning you."

    17. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by WhatAreYouDoingHere · · Score: 1

      How true. Wow.

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    18. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you know... Stallman may have been right afterall.

    19. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      "Changing" the copyrighted carrier code doesn't seem to violate copyright, as I understand it

      There are two exclusive rights that copyright law gives the copyright holder: The right to distribute, and the right to create derivative work (in other words, modifying the code).

    20. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if you replace the contents of the flash memory with all-new code that was developed in a clean room and contains no infringing software from the OEM. Why do you think they lock the bootloader in the first place? To make this step unreasonably difficult.

      If you're flashing an "unlocked" version of the OEM's software, then you're in trouble.

    21. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      How is changing firmware different?

      Because it's digital, and common sense has been thrown out for digital goods.

      Are you implying that a book isn't digital information? Because I got news for you: Digital data didn't start at the computer age...

    22. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      companies want more money. you are an insignificant worm that has money. understand now? the sooner you understand this, the sooner you won't be asking silly rhetorical questions. sorry, worm.

    23. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      "Changing" the copyrighted carrier code doesn't seem to violate copyright, as I understand it

      There are two exclusive rights that copyright law gives the copyright holder: The right to distribute, and the right to distribute derivative work (in other words, modifying the code).

      No. A book publisher has does not have the right to say that you can't write notes in your textbook, rip pages out of your novel or write a better ending in your child's story book. They have the right to prevent you from distributing copies of such a work, but that is where it ends. In some countries there is a "preservation of dignity" (too lazy to look up the actual name) where a painter/etc can prevent a work from being displayed in a demeaning way (ex: A sculptor once prevented a mall from hanging Christmas lights on his statue because he felt it insulting even though they had purchased it from him), but this is limited to public display and a case-by-case interpretation.

    24. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by westlake · · Score: 1

      Don't you dare tamper with that washing machine or the DMCA will come get you.

      I know this will come as a shock to the geek.

      But the number of people who have the time, skills, tools. and the desire to muck around with the complex inner workings of household appliances with replacement costs of $500 to $1000 and up --- way up --- is negligible.

    25. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      Everybody seems to be reporting differing and contradictory stuff about this. Some are saying carrier unlocking (generally done with a code) is illegal and jailbreaking / changing your firmware, is still legal. Some are saying the complete opposite. Nobody seems to know what the fuck is going on.

    26. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 1

      yes but i didnt ask for the software and i dont want it. Are you telling me that it is now illegal to now want software that people want us to have?(uhhh license)http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/27/1541226/what-you-need-to-know-about-phone-unlocking?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter#

    27. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      modding skyrim is a violation -- it's a derived work.

      IANAL -- I do have a textbook on my bookshelf with the relevant case law, and I am frankly too exhausted to move the 30 feet to it and consult the index.

      Here's the deal -- back in the 80's, some fuckhole sued somebody who bought one copy of their software for not buying three more copies. It was some really expensive program, and they wanted more money...

      The court ruled that the process of installing and executing a lawfully purchased program constituted two copies when an expert witness quite correctly explained that:

      1) The installation media copies the program onto the installed hard drive
      2) The installed hard drive copy is then recopied into memory to run

      They just...you know...failed to exercise any common sense. I mean you know, when I read something the lens of my eye makes a copy onto my retina. And if it's a short poem I particularly like, there may even be another copy in wetware....

      And you know, software is purchased for the purpose of executing it -- nobody actually gives a fuck whether it runs on a turing tape that must make a modifiable copy.

      But no no...that's why you now have shrinkwrap agreements and they've valid. In order to lawfully install or run your program, you must make a coy, which would be illegal without a contract permitting it.

      The law is a deeply, marvelously fucked up thing.

      The DMCA is another issue entirely, in which you are in violation of yet another law if you bypass a copy protection system.

      Please note -- for purposes of law, basic rot13 encryption has been considred a copy protection system.

      They have the phone and there's a tiny piece of plastic covering a debug port? You bypassed copy protection. You moved a jumper to debug mode? Well, you had to open the glued case...

    28. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTA:

      Why is it illegal to unlock a smartphone?
      Because unlocking a phone requires making changes to its firmware – software that is copyrighted and owned by your carrier – which would be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

      I don't understand. If I buy a book, and make some edits (cross out some paragraphs, change some words) that's not illegal. Perhaps it would be if I distributed the book (or copies of it). Selling pens to make the edits isn't illegal either.

      How is changing firmware different?

      If Verizon, AT&T et al. hold copyright to Apple's iOS firmware, or Motorola / Samsung / HTC Android firmware, it's definitely news to me. I'd wager it's news to the device manufacturers, too.

    29. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I know this will come as a shock to the geek.

      But the number of people who have the time, skills, tools. and the desire to muck around with the complex inner workings of household appliances with replacement costs of $500 to $1000 and up --- way up --- is negligible.

      At the moment, sure.

      But in 10 years time, there's a rule that washing machines can only be used overnight, to even out the day/night electricity use imbalance. Washing machines are programmed to enforce this restriction. Now people want to change it.

      Maybe that's too far-fetched. I'm not really interested in cars, but I understand that altering the software can alter the performance characteristics. Should that be illegal?

      Some printer ink cartridges have chips that make them fail after a certain amount of time. Should bypassing the electronic lock be illegal?

      A modern TV might include a web browser. Maybe the EPG might show adverts. Maybe the TV will warn the police if you watch too many violent films, or your health insurance company (or your spouse / parents) if you watch too much pornography. More realistically: the TV includes a camera, performs facial recognition to see who watches what programmes, and sends that data an advertising company. The TV switches off if no faces are detected in the room (energy saving feature), so covering up the camera isn't an option. *

      It's not only geeks who might want to alter the software. (In the UK, the law at the moment -- as I read it -- allows them to, but it doesn't allow them to do it commercially. I think this probably came about because of people hacking satellite TV receiver equipment to bypass however they check for a valid subscription; I'm not sure what other electronic consumer item would be worth restricting.)

      * There's probably software patents in some of these 'ideas'...

    30. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by fnj · · Score: 1

      Except that classically nobody in their wildest imagination would have ever had an issue with a private individual marking up his own copy of a book for his own use ("making a derivative work" in scary-talk), or xeroxing or typing his own copy of a borrowed magazine article for his own use. Is there ANYONE who hasn't done both of these - with zero expectation of consequences and complete confidence he is not doing anything wrong?

      Modifying the firmware in your own phone for your own use is a perfect analog to this.

    31. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need your laws, and didn't agree to your concepts of thoughtcrimes.

    32. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by tgd · · Score: 1

      Why is it illegal to unlock a smartphone?
      Because unlocking a phone requires making changes to its firmware – software that is copyrighted and owned by your carrier – which would be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

      IANAL, but I'm confused. I thought the "point" of the DMCA was to crack down on copyright violations.

      Don't let the word "copyright" in the "fancy" title of a bill that Congress passed confuse you -- only a small part of the DMCA had anything to do with copyrights. Its also about service and licensing controls, both of which unlocking phones are related to. Phones are locked for two reasons -- subsidies, and exclusive licensing agreements. That's why, once out of contract, virtually every phone in the US can be unlocked -- except those under carrier exclusivity agreements. The iPhone went from "no, we won't unlock it" to "sure" once ATT lost its exclusivity. Every other phone (for the most part) works the same way.

      The problem isn't the legality, or illegality of unlocking in the US (IMHO)... its that people are pissed about carrier exclusivity and the culture of universal subsidies has made it such that virtually no one in the US offers lower priced service for BYOD.

    33. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Media companies have been trying their hardest to make us think Fair Use doesn't exist for decades now. Sadly, from a legal perspective they're just about right. There is no rigorous definition of Fair Use, just a few examples and guidelines, so even if you are completely in the right you can still be sued and still have to defend yourself in court and hope that the East Texas jury understands Fair Use. Fair Use has already been chilled down to subzero temperatures by aggressive legal actions.

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    34. Re:Because the firmware's copyright? by taronica · · Score: 1

      Unlocking allows a person to switch between networks.There may be many reasons for a user to change network like dissatisfaction with the network service,signal problem,tariff not affordable,etc. So long I unlocked my locked mobiles from a third party unlock services http://www.mobile-unlocker.com/ , now I am deprived of it. I have signed in https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7, to help in making the unlocking service legal by U.S

  7. compatibility issues? by metalmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unlocking devices isn't as relevant in the US as it is in other parts of the world. The big 4 in the US all use different technologies to provide service, so taking a device from carrier a to carrier b doesn't make sense in terms of being useful. Of course there is always the argument of "it's my device let me do what i please" and I agree more with that, but those people should pony up the full retail value of the product. If you buy a phone that is carrier subsidized you're essentially financing the phone over 2 years.

    If the carriers want to move to an unsubsidized model they should give consumers an incentive to pay upfront costs. T-Mobile's "value plan" is a good example. The customer buy's the device at a discount and pays an additional fee of $20 until the device's retail value is paid off. The plan then becomes $20 cheaper. If carrier's want a BYOD to work they need to offer cheaper rates.

    The carriers can offer their retail salespeople a rate plan of $20 at the cost of BYOD. Why can't they do this for consumers? The plan's dont even have to be that cheap, but a $40-50 plan is not out of the realm of possibility. When I worked retail I bought my own Galaxy S3 and paid $25 for my plan. For an upfront cost of ~$520 I saved about $1800 over the cost of a 2-year consumer rate plan

    1. Re:compatibility issues? by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      If carrier's want a BYOD to work they need to offer cheaper rates.

      That's just it though. They DON'T want BYOD to work as they make more from the subsidized lock in contracts over the course of the typical 2 year term.

    2. Re:compatibility issues? by trevelyon · · Score: 1

      The big 4 in the US all use different technologies to provide service, so taking a device from carrier a to carrier b doesn't make sense in terms of being useful

      That's not exactly true. Both AT&T and T-mobile use GSM so you can take your phone from one to the other if unlocked (although data bands are slightly different so make sure the phone supports both). Sprint and Verizon also use the same tech, CDMA and there is no technical reason you can't move your phone between them. The carriers, however, don't allow it because they want you to buy a new phone. Sprint won't even let you take a sprint phone to their sprint payG (boost mobile) even though it uses the sprint network.

    3. Re:compatibility issues? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      If I finance my car its not illegal if I switch out the interior lights for green LED's and put goofy rims on it

    4. Re:compatibility issues? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The incompatible bands is just what I meant in the op

  8. Do the right thing, unlock it. by bcdonadio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not a USA citizen, but as a Brazilian (country which all kinds of operator locking were ruled *illegal* a few years ago), I seriously recommend you guys to unlock your phones, being it legal or not, you needing it or not. It's a simple matter of having your rights respected.

    1. Re:Do the right thing, unlock it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just buy an unlocked phone and not sign a contract that requires you to not unlock. Seriously, this law pertains to people breaking their contracts. It isn't like people are being forced to buy locked phones or sign a contract stating they won't.

    2. Re:Do the right thing, unlock it. by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Wrong. This covers unlocking even after the contract is over.

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  9. Use different firmware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " Because unlocking a phone requires making changes to its firmware – software that is copyrighted and owned by your carrier – which would be a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)."

    But I own the hardware? So I can install anything I like, right? Or am I forced to suck whatever they throw at me?

  10. Re:FIRST POST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go douche, you skank.

  11. Not viable by xenobyte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The locked subsidized phone model is not viable, at least not here in Denmark.

    A year or so ago all the major carriers here agreed that they would stop the subsidizing and thus the locking of new phones. The value of the phone simply did not match how much the forced subscription (6 months) would yield and as many customers simply switched phone and carrier every 6 months, they consistently lost money.

    So now you either pay the full price for the new phone or in installments on your phone bill. If you end your subscription after the first 6 months but before the phone was paid for, you had to pay the remainder in order to end the contract. Simple and avoids the creation of stupid laws to fix a broken business model.

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    1. Re:Not viable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But here you either get somewhat of a "discount" with a 1 year lock in, or the larger "discount" with a 2 year lock in.. no option for a 6 month contract

    2. Re:Not viable by OdinOdin_ · · Score: 1

      In the UK it is usual to have a 24 month contract of sufficient price per month to cover subsidy (of top end phones). It maybe possible to get a 12 month contract for low end phones. But I've never heard of a 6 month contract term for phone subsidy. Is there a reason why the 'forced subscription' isn't longer in Denmark ?

      I like the idea of simply having an installment plan (including borrowing interest/markup) for the phone cost on the bill. One aspect of the 24 month forced contract in the UK is that you will continue to pay that amount even once the 24 month period is over unless you re-negotiate a new plan. Of course you can take a place handset free that is cheaper.

    3. Re:Not viable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The value of the phone simply did not match how much the forced subscription (6 months) would yield and as many customers simply switched phone and carrier every 6 months, they consistently lost money.

      Hence why the standard contract term in the U.S. is two years. It's ridiculous.

    4. Re:Not viable by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of simply having an installment plan (including borrowing interest/markup) for the phone cost on the bill. One aspect of the 24 month forced contract in the UK is that you will continue to pay that amount even once the 24 month period is over unless you re-negotiate a new plan. Of course you can take a place handset free that is cheaper.

      Of course there is nothing stopping anyone from sourcing "alternative financing" to achieve just that. You can buy the phone outright on a credit card, for example. Assuming the credit card has a decent rate (lets say 15%), this would probably still work out cheaper than the subsidized model (which can easily charge 20% above the cost of the phone per year). Factor in a "pay no interest for 12 months" introductory deal (which all the banks like to offer) and you're laughing.

      There are also personal loan providers, although for small balances the market is dominated by rip-off-merchants ("Wonga" etc.). A bank might be accommodating if you ask nicely, though, and personal loan rates can be as low as 6% these days.

    5. Re:Not viable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but they just changed it to be a 2 or even 3 year contract instead of a 6 month one. I will never ever sign a contract for 6 months let alone 2 years and just buy my phones outright.

    6. Re:Not viable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't like it do something about it,

      Only 67000 more people needed.

  12. Re: What You Need To Know About Phone Unlocking by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    "Keep your mouth shut and never rat on your friends."

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  13. Re:FIRST POST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Customer,

        We apologize for the shitty service that resulted in your failure to get first post but this was due to our routine packet inspections designed to improve your service. During these scans we have detected an unauthorized software on your smartphone and have remotely disabled your device. To discuss the deactivation of our block and reset of your device please call +1-OWN-YOU2. There is a processing charge of $79 to re-enable your device so please have a valid credit or debit card handy.

    Regards AT&T

  14. Abroad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens if I unlock my phone while I'm abroad?

    1. Re:Abroad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think your gender during the unlock process matters.

    2. Re:Abroad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A dude or a broad, gender doesn't matter, it's still illegal.

    3. Re:Abroad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im pretty sure that the rule applies to men and women equally.

  15. Is it legal to destroy said phone? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If so, there is an intermediate stage between 'intact' and 'destroyed'.

  16. Contracts by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

    Arent most of these devices offered at a discount if you sign a contract? I have always use prepaid and paid full price for my phones so i dont know. If so i could understand why they would get upset, since they provided you a greatly discounted phone at their loss, in exchange for the promise of your business.

    1. Re:Contracts by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      Yes. However, if you break contract, you have to pay an early termination fee (and I think in some cases you have to give back your phone if it's early enough in the contract).

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  17. Was this necessary? by nanospook · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why this law was necessary. If I take my phone some where else, I will have to break my contract with the phone company or pay for two plans. If I cancel my plan, I pay a termination fee that results in the phone company getting their subsidized portion of the phone back (financially). Everyone walks away and calls it quits. The phone goes with me because I paid for it in full. Also, if the phone companies all have policies allowing you to go out of the country and arrange to swap your SIMS, again what was the point? Where is the damage being done if I should unlock my phone? If we are going to have DCMA protection of copyrighted software./firmware, it should be aimed at situations where replication of a copyright material is being made.

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    1. Re:Was this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the damage being done if I should unlock my phone?
      You may break your contract, then the phone companies cannot "project" you being a subscriber forever, or at least til the end of your contract and they would have to lower their future income since they can't use this accounting trick.

    2. Re:Was this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we are going to have DCMA protection of copyrighted software./firmware, it should be aimed at situations where replication of a copyright material is being made.

      It should also be aimed at situations where copyright applies in any way, shape, or form. Entering an unlock code isn't changing or copying the firmware, thus I fail to understand exactly why the Library of Congress has anything at all to say about it..

  18. jailbreaking is still ok by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    jailbreaking is still ok.

  19. This only applies to newly purchased phones by ghack · · Score: 2

    My understanding is that this only applies to newly purchased phones, starting today, 1/27.

    Any phone purchased on 1/26 or before can still be legally unlocked.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong.

  20. they should be forced to unlock / offer lo roaming by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    they should be forced to unlock / offer low cost roaming not $10+ a meg roaming fees.

  21. First Sale by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 1

    Remember it?

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    1. Re:First Sale by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with First Sale; it doesn't affect your ability to sell the phone. In-fact, there are specific exception in place for used phones. It even opens a huge loop-hole for unlocking. As used phones are exempt from this decisions all you need to do it "sell" your phone to the person unlocking it for say $1, let them unlock it, and then "buy" it back for $1.

    2. Re:First Sale by sjames · · Score: 1

      First sale isn't just about reselling. It's also relevant to the right to alter the good you bought.

    3. Re:First Sale by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with First Sale; it doesn't affect your ability to sell the phone. In-fact, there are specific exception in place for used phones. It even opens a huge loop-hole for unlocking. As used phones are exempt from this decisions all you need to do it "sell" your phone to the person unlocking it for say $1, let them unlock it, and then "buy" it back for $1.

      oddly enough, the FAQ linked in the summary states it applies only to phones bought from a carrier - so if I buy my iPhone from a Apple or a reseller who get sthe subsidy it seems the rule does not apply. IANAL but that seems to be another loophole.

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    4. Re:First Sale by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 1

      Oh. It's just that then it's only for idiots who can't figure it out then.

      One more law that only enact a tax on stupidity.

      Just like every law that's designed to prevent humans from spreading information... and their far-flung side effects

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  22. GPL? Replace firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't there (much?) GPLed code in phones? Has anyone looked into this? Of course it would require reverse-engineering and even that won't prove what the source code is.

    So how about just replacing the code altogether?

  23. Buy your phone retail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought my iphone from apple's website for full fetail. went month-to-month with one phone company, then just changed the sim card to change providers. definitely the way to go!

  24. one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because there is a law against doing something, doesn't necessarily make it right. Laws provide a scaffold which enables an orderly society to coalesce, but every once in a blue moon we need to ditch the old scaffold in favor of a new one - that time is approaching.

    If we all followed the law, segregation might still be in effect, alcohol would still be illegal, some of the most insightful scientific and philosophical ideas may have never been written down on paper prior to the age of enlightenment. Apple is now a hindrance to technological progress and they will pay the price for it.

  25. issue ? by Tom · · Score: 1

    Some more background info for us non-US readers, please?

    I don't see the issue here. I've bought my iPhone and then got a cell phone contract for them that didn't include a phone, so no subsidies and no unlocking required.

    If the carrier pays the phone for you (and you pay him back over time) then they seem to have a legit interest that you don't say "thanks" and take your business elsewhere before the refinancing time is up.

    So what's the issue here?

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    1. Re:issue ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't see the issue here."

      Well, unless you're completely blind to your rights and freedoms I would say, "nothing". However, it doesn't take a genius to see how this rule is far-reaching. You can't unlock a phone, period. Yes, it makes sense that a carrier doesn't want someone to run off with their phone if the contract was meant to pay for the device. That's different from blatantly crapping on your ability to modify a device that you purchased.

    2. Re:issue ? by green1 · · Score: 2

      The biggest problem is that there are no carriers that allow you to bring your own phone without paying the subsidy (Ok, in the USA there is one carrier that does, but the others don't, and where I live there are none). So I can take the "free" phone from the carrier and pay the subsidy every month to cover it's cost, or I can pay full price for a phone, and still pay the subsidy every month as if I had taken the "free" phone. There is no third choice. As a result, there's no reason to ever buy a full price phone. Additionally, because of this, there are extremely few places that even have unlocked phones to sell you, the iPhone being the only one I can think of, all other phones are sold only by the carriers or their authorized retailers, so even if you pay full price and buy the phone outright, it still comes locked to that carrier.

      The other question is, why is this even relevant? if I break my contract, I pay a termination fee, so they get the money back anyway. you can't jsut walk away from your 3yr contract as soon as they give you the free phone, you have to pay it out. This all belongs in contract law, not copyright law.

    3. Re:issue ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need any more background, you're understanding perfectly how BUYING a cellphone (and the difference between what is essentially a "lease purchase" and buying) works.

      The only "issue" is, americans are way too stupid to understand this.

  26. Altering the firmware? I think someone got duped. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I understand of the unlocking process, firmware itself is not altered assuming I still member what firmware is from my firmware development years. Doesn't unlocking it just set an access code?

    I seem to recall being able to unlock and re-lock certain phones in the past without a need to upgrade the firmwarw.

  27. Who is Emperor of the USA now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Obama was emperor. Oh wait- the Supreme Court. No, the EPA. Now it's the Librarian of Congress? When can I be Emperor for a day?

    OK, my lame humor aside- I'm growing more and more frustrated with these Executive Branch Orders. I thought We the People ruled through our Congress. I'm sorry, but if I buy that phone, it's mine to modify. If I void my warranty, so be it.

    OK, lets take this to extremes: if I buy a car and change the look, add a spoiler, ground effects, whatever, I'm now violating someone's copyrighted design, right? And it's not hidden from public sight- I'm out in public showing off my willful desecration of someone's original work.

    Is there any way we can take back our own government?

    1. Re:Who is Emperor of the USA now? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      I thought We the People ruled through our Congress.

      You The People did rule through Congress. Congress declared via the DMCA that anything circumventing access control measures (which a carrier lock is) is illegal.

      The Librarian of the LoC utilized his authority under the DMCA to make exceptions to allow certain circumventions. Now the old clueless guy decided to not renew that exception.

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  28. All you need to know... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    All you need to know is that this only applies to phones under a cellular contract. Cellular contracts are awful things to begin with and now they are even worse. The only thing that makes people sign them is the high price of phones which WILL go down. In a few years and smartphones will be $50. Granted, the carriers will find some excuse to charge $500 for them, but if you've got half a brain in your head you'll just buy your phone outright and avoid the contract.

    In the meantime there's Walmart. They now sell unlocked, prepaid smartphones. No contract, unlimited talk, text and data for $50/month (prepaid) I believe it's $60 for international calling. It's on the Verizon network so coverage is better than most. I don't generally shill for Walmart but this is by far the best cellular deal out there. I've even heard you can get them to transfer certain phones from other carriers (Verizon for example) I'll be losing my work phone in about 6 months and I'll be going strait to walmart after work.

    1. Re:All you need to know... by green1 · · Score: 1

      Except that by avoiding the contract, you pay way more per month for service than you do on contract. Companies want you on contract, so the contracts offer more for less than month to month does, every time.

      As it stands right now, where I live, the cheapest way to have cellular service is on a 3yr contract with a "free" phone (you pay for it whether you take it or not) Of course add in that you can't even buy an unlocked phone here, if you buy one outright from the carrier, it's still locked, and because it never makes financial sense to buy a phone outright, there's no market for it, so no retailers have appeared to sell these, leaving just the providers. The only exception I know of is the iPhone which you can buy directly from an Apple store unlocked for full price, but they you still have to pay for service which will include the price of a phone anyway.

    2. Re:All you need to know... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the options typically are: Buy a phone on contract, pay a subsidy for 2 years until the phone is paid off, then continue paying the subsidy because you enjoy giving the phone company free money. Or you can buy your phone up front and get to pay the exact same subsidy anyway!

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  29. I could be wrong but ... by troll+-1 · · Score: 2

    It seems like Verizon and AT&T spend millions that they collect from their monopoly of the spectrum and give it to politicians to who then make laws in their favor. http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=B08&year=a

    The government sales of the free spectrum to the highest bidder is one of the biggest scams ever. Carrier-less mesh networking technology has been a viable alternative for a long time ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking ) but the government persists in licensing the most useful spectrum frequencies to the highest bidder for billions of dollars ( http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=about_auctions ) while restricting the unlicensed spectrum like 802.11 to limited frequencies with severe power restrictions.

  30. This has (almost) nothing to do with copyright by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    This is based on the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA - and act which is not really about copyright but rather about encryption and the legality of removing encryption. Nothing about copyright changed in the DMCA. Except that now instead of having to actually violate copyright to be in violation of a law, you simply need to access copyrighted material you have purchased or licensed without using the method of access supplied by the content provider to be in violation.

    I would love (LOVE) to find out which congressmen have, or have family members, with ripped material in their possession and go black-ops apeshit on their houses. Because I can guarantee you that most* of them never really figured that this would be the result; their handlers simply told them that this was absolutely necessary to stem piracy and save everything that is good an wholesome in the universe from evil hackers.

    *The rest are actively in bed with the labels and would crush anyone who stands between them and an augmented payday. No party has a monopoly on either side.

    --
    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    1. Re:This has (almost) nothing to do with copyright by koan · · Score: 1

      There are way to many stupid people in the World, and I would love to see you go "black-ops apeshit" on congress too.

      --
      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  31. Re:Altering the firmware? I think someone got dupe by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Copyright doesn't enter into it. The process of "unlocking" is an unauthorized (by the creator) circumvention of digital rights management. Boom - against the law - game, set, match.

    --
    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  32. One 85 year old guy 'decided' this law by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
  33. The solution is simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take/send your phone outside the US and unlock it there. The DMCA prohibits the act of unlocking, not the possession of an unlocked device. Fortunately that bought and paid for piece of crap legislation only applies in the land of the economically enslaved, so unlocking outside the US is still perfectly legal. I see a big business opportunity in the making.

    1. Re:The solution is simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh-huh - so you believe that if the DMCA is broken outside of the US, then you'll be fine? Tell that to Dmitry Sklyarov.

  34. huh by koan · · Score: 1

    "The primary reason cited by the Librarian is, there are an increasing number of phones you can buy that come unlocked. Apple and its carrier partners sell the iPhone 5 unlocked, for example. Google’s Nexus 4 also comes unlocked. T-Mobile has plans to offer more of its phones unlocked. And retailers like Best Buy offer all sorts of unlocked phones. In short, the Librarian decided that there’s no reason to alter the DMCA to allow people to unlock any phone since people can easily buy an unlocked phone nowadays, if they choose to do so."

    Now that it's "illegal" one wonders how long unlocked phones will continue to be offered, otherwise why make it illegal?

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:huh by mark-t · · Score: 1

      This.

      Whenever it happens that some legal protections are created for certain concepts or a particular business model, the law is unavoidably creating an implicit incentive for people with commercial interests to migrate towards utilizing those concepts or that business model, so that they can reap whatever benefits those protections might offer, which will, in turn, reduce the availability to consumers of alternative or competing resources elsewhere.

      This, at its heart, is the core problem with laws that outlaw circumvention of locked content under the premise that the consumer allegedly has freedom to choose content which has not been locked.

  35. Re:GPL? Replace firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that usually the carrier lock is not on the code you can modify (i.e. not in the general software ROM, where the OS is), but rather in the radio chip which is most likely running closed source software.

  36. Re: What You Need To Know About Phone Unlocking by 2phar · · Score: 1

    But this is the USA. Wouldn't it be possible for the carriers to report when a phone IMEI that is supposed to be locked to a different network shows up on theirs? Heck that could even be made a legal obligation.

  37. Fuck you, government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm unlocking my phones and you can't stop me.

    Come and get me motherfuckers, and you'll have to pry the phones out of my cold dead hands!

    1. Re:Fuck you, government by mark-t · · Score: 1

      More than likely, I imagine, they'd probably go after whoever is supplying you with the unlock facility.

      However, I'm sure that if you invited them to arrest you after confessing to a crime, they'd probably be quite happy to.

  38. It is not illegal by pivot_enabled · · Score: 1

    Anymore than it is illegal to write in a book you bought which contains copyrighted content. This is not about copyright, it is about private property rights and the Library of Congress has no authority in that realm.

    1. Re:It is not illegal by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I believe you may be confusing enforceability with illegality.

    2. Re:It is not illegal by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      This is about the DMCA. Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Non-digital analogies need not apply.

      It's a horrible law, but a law nonetheless, which makes violating it illegal.

  39. some of their homework is wrong... by jlv · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Verizon sells all iPhone 5s unlocked, meaning you could take your device over to AT&T or T-Mobile without having to unlock the device."

    You could take your Verizon CDMA iPhone over to AT&T or T-Mobile, but you won't ever get it to work on their networks.

    1. Re:some of their homework is wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, i noticed that too.

      Also noticed that the DMCA is becoming even more of a pain in the a5s than it was in previous years.

      -HasH @ www.trypnet.net

    2. Re:some of their homework is wrong... by Psyborgue · · Score: 2

      From the 4s on, the phone is universal. All versions of the phone have both GSM and CDMA radios.

    3. Re:some of their homework is wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone 4S and 5 have all the radios for Verizon, Sprint and AT&T in each phone, and an unlocked phone can run on any. T-Mobile is a different story.

  40. Question.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Can you (legally) buy a locked phone in the uSA, leave the country and unlock it one where it is not illegal, then bring it back?

    1. Re:Question.... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Can you (legally) buy a locked phone in the uSA, leave the country and unlock it one where it is not illegal, then bring it back?

      Are you rich? If the answer is anything other than "let me ask my trust fund manager", you answered your own question.

    2. Re:Question.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      What does being rich have to do with anything? Leaving the country might require some money for travel, but it hardly requires an unusual amount.

    3. Re:Question.... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      One law for the rich. Another law for the rest of us. The question was of legality. The answer is "got money?"

    4. Re:Question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because you are still breaking the contract you signed agreeing not to unlock. Remember, the phone is not your property until the end of the contract.

    5. Re:Question.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You know that Canada is just next door to the USA, right? And that this law only affects the USA, right?

    6. Re:Question.... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Sure. Your point?

      And why are we quibbling over a stupid assinine unenforceable law that no self-respecting geek would even pretend to respect?

      Shit, forget geek. A stupid assinine unenforceable law that no self-respecting human would even pretend to respect. They're trying to tell you you don't own your own property. FUCK them. Repeat after me: FUCK them. Do not ask if it's legal to re-import an unlocked phone that you bought in the US. Do not ask if it's legal to modify your OWN FUCKING PROPERTY. Do not ask ANY question that gives bullshit like this ANY credence whatsoever.

      Goddamn Slashdot. What the hell happened...

      "Please sir, can I have some more?"

      Yeah, that's what happened.

    7. Re:Question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because you are expected to follow US laws while abroad.

    8. Re:Question.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Cite examples please. As far as I am aware, you are always expected to follow the laws of whatever country you are in, not the country of your origin.

    9. Re:Question.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      But what about when you reach the end of that contract?

      And remember, I'm asking about what's legal.... not what's enforceable.

    10. Re:Question.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Because I'm a pedantic ass, duh.

      Really, can you be held accountable for breaking a law of one jurisdiction when you are only breaking it outside of that jurisdiction?

      If so, then why is legal for Californians to go to Nevada and gamble and return, when it isn't legal to gamble in California?

      And if not, then this is a glaringly obvious loophole that I'm quite certain could possibly spell a profitable opportunity for somebody who would not ever even have to break any laws.

  41. Your locked USA iphone5 for my unlockd UK Nokia ;) by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    If you list your phone on ebay.com you can have it seen in the UK on ebay.co.uk as well.

    If you list a CDMA only, no sim please let us know with a clear "This is a CDMA phone with no simcard slot available for the W-CDMA ("3G" "UMTS") systems in use in the UK" - but you can still use it like a tablet.

    Don't forget to buy a spare old phone for travelling. I'll be glad to sell you one. Ker-ching. Or indeed... to swap your locked phone for one.

  42. Anti-competitive and pointless by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think I'd rather have unlocking be legal even if it meant the end of subsidized devices.

    Why would it mean the end of subsidized devices? You've signed a multi-year contract with the company to get the subsidized device so why should they care whose network you use it on - you will still be paying them their pound of flesh to use their network regardless of whichever other network you sign up for.

    In fact it is very probably to their benefit for you to use another network since then they'll get the money and someone else will get the network traffic to deal with! The only possible benefit is that it lets them make huge profits on roaming but for the US only less than 40% (assuming a 300M population) of the US even have a passport so an even smaller fraction will travel abroad in any given year. In fact it probably is this which is driving it - in the EU, which has controlled roaming charges, unlocking a phone seems to be far more common (at least that's my impression without hard evidence to back it up).

    1. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "In fact it is very probably to their benefit for you to use another network since then they'll get the money and someone else will get the network traffic to deal with!"

      This is not true, money is made on the monthly charges you pay. Very little if any profit comes from the phone. Bandwidth is cheap and the roughly 1000% mark up they put on network use is where the money is made. This holds true for any ISP, not just cell phone use.

    2. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      His whole point is that he is still under contract, so there's still no way to get out of those monthly payments.

    3. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an escape clause in every phone contract. It can be a flat fee or some percentage of remaining contract time.

      Point was, obviously they lock those phones for a reason. Presumably to prevent you from switching early. But if that's not it and the contract termination value alone is enough, why do they care?

    4. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There's an escape clause in every phone contract. It can be a flat fee or some percentage of remaining contract time.

      So your buying out the remainder of the contract and they still get the required money. I don't see your point.

    5. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      I work in a big telco (2nd and 3rd line tech support) and I see a lot of people just linger on after their often expensive contract has ended. Some even believe they are actually getting more in some unquantifiable way.

      I'd say the psychological side is an important asset to these big telcos, and they probably know it.

      (I don't know anyone in my dept who don't get work phones to use their services.)

    6. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      I work in a big telco (2nd and 3rd line tech support) and I see a lot of people just linger on after their often expensive contract has ended.

      Yes but are they lingering on because their phone is locked to that network or because they have better things to do than go through the hassle of setting up a new contract?

    7. Re:Anti-competitive and pointless by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      They linger on after the contract was ended, so unlocking is a phone call away (it takes 15 minutes to go through the systems).

      There is no hassle to unlock, you can do it online, over e-mail or phone. Information is not hidden.

  43. This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Dahamma · · Score: 2

    "A 16GB unlocked iPhone 5, for instance, will cost you $650. Buy the same phone through AT&T, Sprint, or Verizon, and you’ll pay just $200 thanks to carrier subsidies – but you also have to agree to a two-year contract. In the long run, you will likely end up paying more for your locked device than for an unlocked one."

    Yeah... that would be true if you bought an unlocked phone and then just threw it in a drawer without using it. If you actually sign up for a voice and data plan in both cases how is paying an extra $450 going to save you money? (especially the way so many people upgrade their phone every few years).

    1. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because much of your monthly bill goes toward paying for the phone subsidy. If you buy your phone outright, you just pay less per month. Over time (a year or two), this lowered monthly cost is greater than the initial phone cost differential.

    2. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      If you buy your phone outright, you just pay less per month.

      I have never seen any discounts for buying an unlocked phone from a carrier (in the US, at least). Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

      I could see someone claiming that the phone subsidy system in general results in higher long term costs, but at far as I can tell the major cellular providers are currently making those with unlocked phones off-contract pay the same rate as those with a subsidized contract...

    3. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      The problem is many carriers won't sell you a decent data plan unless you buy a subsidized phone. So even if you bring your own phone, you'll still be paying as if you had a subsidized device. In such cases, you might as well go with the subsidized phone. YMMV may vary per carrier.

    4. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, if you sign up on a contract with ATT/Verizon, you will not see savings. But, that would be dumb. It is also dumb to overpay on a phone by double its real value and buy an iphone.

      If you go with a bring your own device pre-paid plan, you can get a voice+text plan+a little data for $30/mo or, an unlimited data + a little voice for $30/mo, or unlimited everything for $50/mo (all of these are pre-paid t-mobile contract free plans; and with pre-paid, $30 is really what you pay-- no taxes or add'l fees on top).

      Really it should cost much less, but these are still half of what you would pay / mo with att/verizon, so you will pay for your subsidized att/verizon phone multiple times over by paying their monthly rates. If you bought a phone based on features + price rather than some sort of "status symbol value", you could get your unlocked phone (e.g., google nexus) for the copay price of the _subsidized_ iphone-- this way you would immediately be saving $50/mo, or $1200 over the two year period of your att/verizon contract iphone.

      In 10 years of not having an iphone att or verizon, you would have saved enough for a down payment on a modest home in many areas of the country.

      Or, you could be dumb.

    5. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 1

      so when my contract runs out on my android phone in April, can i go to Verizon and ask for my bill to be lowered by the amount i was paying for 2 years? What will they say?

    6. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      You think that's true, but quote a few offers to prove it.

      T-Mobile unlimited is $70 a month: http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/monthly-4g-plans

      That's about $20 less per month than a similar AT&T or Verizon plan, which is $480 over 2 years. Saves maybe $30, but then again T-Mobile's 4G sucks compared to the LTE for AT&T and Verizon (in my area, at least) so the extra $1.25 a month for LTE seems fair.

    7. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      And if you buy an unlocked phone the monthly T-Mobile unlimited plan will set you back $50/month.

      If you are like me and use WiFi most of the time you can get a per day plan.

      I figure I'll pay somewhere between $100 and $200 for my cell service this year. Including the cost of the phone it's probably a $1500 savings over 2 years vs getting an iPhone on Verizon or AT&T.

    8. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because the service plan you agree to is under these subsidized phones are more expensive. You can get unlimited everthing for about 45 a month without contract. On average and iphone 5 costs about 1850$$ under contract vs these 45$ plans. Of course people that are bad at managing money don't care about such things as long as they get there brand new shiny right then and there. One thing to note when you sign up for a plan out of contract, they billed amount actually is the amount they advertise, no hidden fees. Contract phone companies like to hide fees because after you sign the contract you have to pay them. Only suckers and morons buy a phone under contract.

    9. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god. Get out a piece of paper, please.

      Now do this math problem:
      80 (monthly carrier plan) multiplied by 24 (months in contract) and add another 200 (cost of new shiny device)

      After you do 80 x 24 + 200, label it "carrier" and try the next one.

      35 (monthly pay as you go cost) times 24 (number of months) plus 650 (cost of new shiny device)

      35 x 24 + 650, got it? Label it "unlocked, no contract"

      Now compare the two.

    10. Re:This paragraph in TFA makes *no* sense... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      If you buy your phone outright, you just pay less per month.

      I have never seen any discounts for buying an unlocked phone from a carrier (in the US, at least). Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

      I could see someone claiming that the phone subsidy system in general results in higher long term costs, but at far as I can tell the major cellular providers are currently making those with unlocked phones off-contract pay the same rate as those with a subsidized contract...

      well, you're pretty bad at hunting for deal then. fact is every cell operator rep would love to sell you one.
      anyways, around here in finland it's always cheaper to bring your own phone. hell, the price of the phone is a separate item on the bill - it has to be. you think it's normal to pay 100 bucks a month for 5gb?

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  44. re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    another retarded law... the no common sense prevails, yey... i guess i am an outlaw, ha ha ha

  45. Owning a phone is just like owning a house or car by whois · · Score: 1

    In a world not controlled by giant oligarchy phone companies you can "buy" a car from a dealership, take it home and paint it purple.

    You can do the same to your house because even though you owe 99% of it's value to the bank it belongs to you.

    For some reason, the same thing isn't true for a $500 phone. Why can't I buy a phone from T-mobile with a 2 year contract, take it home and immediately switch it to AT&T but continue paying T-mobile for the phone for 2 years?

  46. Sign the White House petition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think this is wrong, please sign this petition: http://wh.gov/yA9n

  47. Tough shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm doing it anyway.

  48. Re:All you need to know is: tyrants oppress you by fascismforthepeople · · Score: 1

    Mohamed Bouazizi was a 26 y.o. Tunisian who burned himself alive because of government oppression, he became the trigger for the people removing the oppressive tyrannical government from power.

    You have that mostly right. The self-immolation was an act of protest against the lack of opportunity that Mr. Bouazizi faced. He was not necessarily explicitly interested in overthrowing the government, he just wanted a chance to earn a living wage.

    Aaron Schwartz was a 26 y.o. American who killed himself because of government oppression

    There has never been any solid evidence of that being the reason for Mr. Schwartz killing himself. Being as untreated mental health problems are the top cause of suicide in the US, and the US has a terrible track record of ignoring important mental health issues, it is very likely there was an underlying cause that we will never be able to fully diagnose.

    you are SUPPOSED to remove tyrannical oppressive regime from power, what is going on?

    Based on your history of political statements, it is abundantly clear that you want the US to replace "tyranny" with fascism by giving your cult leader unlimited power for unlimited time. The goals of your religion are not compatible with the life that Mr. Schwartz was leading and likely would have lead to the same result for him.

    You want to concentrate more power in the hands of fewer people, Schwartz wanted the opposite. In other words, Schwartz is not a martyr to your cause as he opposed your dream of producing fascism for the people.

  49. Are phones locked even without a contract? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Are phones locked even without a contract? If not, then buy one of those and get over with. Where I live in Europe you get a better contract if you have your own device. And even some carriers sell you an "sponsored" but unlocked phone as you will have to sit the contract term out anyway.

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    I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
  50. Cal could try to grab 3400-3600 mhz band... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The FCC is considering letting some places use the 3550 to 3650 mhz frequency for small cell phone networks. I know this is on the socialism side. Get a few liberal states, like California, to push for state control of the 3400-3600 mhz band, and they can set up a state owned cell phone network. Cell phone tech seems to be mature now, and now might be time.

  51. Shitty Court Decisions by 7-Vodka · · Score: 1

    Why did the rule change?

    Because the Librarian was convinced, for a number of reasons, that allowing unlocking was no longer a necessary exemption.

    The primary reason cited by the Librarian is, there are an increasing number of phones you can buy that come unlocked. Apple and its carrier partners sell the iPhone 5 unlocked, for example. Google’s Nexus 4 also comes unlocked. T-Mobile has plans to offer more of its phones unlocked. And retailers like Best Buy offer all sorts of unlocked phones. In short, the Librarian decided that there’s no reason to alter the DMCA to allow people to unlock any phone since people can easily buy an unlocked phone nowadays, if they choose to do so.

    Furthermore, new court decisions have changed the interpretation of the law. In 2010, the Ninth Circuit court decided in Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc that we cell phone owners do not actually “own” the software running our phones. Instead, we are only “licensing” this software – a key difference – which means that we don’t have a right to alter that software. This also played a role in the Librarian’s decision.

    What the fuck!? Yes, the fact that I don't own the copyright to the firmware should prevent me from modifying it and distributing it. But it should NOT prevent me from modifying it on MY hardware without distribution. I should be able to do WHATEVER I WANT with the hardware I purchased. This INCLUDES changing bits here or there. Copyright only applies to redistribution.

    This is CLEARLY an example where the industry first bought the congressmen and the president, then wrote the laws in their favor that were passed without anyone in congress reading them, then bought the judicial decision too. FUCK them, unjust laws shall not be enforced.

    It's time for a lot more JURY NULLIFICATION to fix this bullshit.

    --

    Liberty.

    1. Re:Shitty Court Decisions by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      You have touched upon and misunderstood a very important point.

      Contracts.

      When you buy an unlocked phone you are licensing it. You don't own it. You sign a contract that specifies this relationship. If you don't want to live up to the contract, don't sign it. Get your phone in some other fashion.

      If you do decide to break the contract don't be surprised if there are penalties for doing so.

      At such time the contract is over then you own the phone outright and the Librarian agrees with you that you can modify it.

    2. Re:Shitty Court Decisions by compro01 · · Score: 1

      If you do decide to break the contract don't be surprised if there are penalties for doing so..

      Contract nothing. Unlocking the device remains illegal even after the contract ends.

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      upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
  52. Re:Owning a phone is just like owning a house or c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because people confuse cellular carriers with cell phone stores. Amazon Wireless is a cell phone store & carrier contract agent. Most places you go are only carrier contract agents which have cell phones in stock. You don't buy a cell phone from a Verizon Store, you take out a mortgage with a bank that stipulates the mortgage cannot be refinanced with any other bank. They give you keys to the house in exchange for a signature, but your ownership doesn't even start until the mortgage has been paid off. Since the mortgage is non-transferable, you're essentially renting the house until the mortgage is paid.

    This is why I switched to pre-paid and I encourage everyone else to do so as well. Verizon's data bucket is an obvious cash grab from anyone too stupid to avoid the honeypot. By the time people realize how fucked over they have been, they're stuck with a 2 year contract. Nobody wants evicted from their house, so I expect Verizon is either too stupid to realize they are jumping the shark with the buyers remorse, or they have an exist strategy some time in the next 3 years and they are inflating profits in anticipation.

    The KISS explanation is some rocket scientist wanted to boost quarterly earnings for a couple years before he deploys his golden parachute and jumps from the plane. New CEO? Old CEO wants to retire? Hard to say, but the board of directors was stupid enough to take the bait.

    Please join me in dollar-cost-averaging massive shorts of Verizon Stock over the next several years. Buy AT&T & Sprint because they will be the ones to receive the customers as they come screaming out of the beehive. They will use the capital influx to buy up Verizon infrastructure/regulators until the FCC kicks down the door and chops up the Verizon network to be absorbed by the survivors.

  53. Phones from Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sooo ... If I bring my unlocked phone from Canada and travel in the US could my phone be taken from me at the border?

    1. Re:Phones from Canada by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's possible to see that a phone was locked once it has been unlocked? - At least not without special software.

      --
      "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
  54. Nope, YOU'RE wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Verizon iPhone 5 is a multi-mode device (it supports both GSM and CDMA) and will get HSPA+ on AT&T and areas of T-Mobile's network that have been "refarmed". T-Mobile still pretty much sucks though, so you'll likely just get EDGE. What you won't get is LTE speeds on AT&T or T-Mobile with the Verizon iPhone 5, but it doesn't matter much since AT&T's data plans are limited out the wazoo and T-Mobile has no LTE yet, anyway.

  55. That's what Canada is For by retroworks · · Score: 1

    Every time I need to buy a ticket to Havana or unlock a phone, it's a quick trip over the border and back. Since they didn't make POSSESSION of an unlocked phone a crime, it's pretty easy to alibi.

    --
    Gently reply
  56. Re:Owning a phone is just like owning a house or c by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone in their right mind do that? Buy an unlocked phone on a credit card and pay it off over whatever period of time you want to.

    Then use it with whatever carrier you want and you won't be paying for two service plans.

    Even though credit card interest is outrageous, it's still got to be better than your suggestion.

  57. errata by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    First sentence of the third paragraph should read, "...cling religiously to the part of the Constitution which they say protects gun ownership..."

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  58. Re:GPL? Replace firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great answer- thank you!

  59. Hold on there, cowboy! by tlambert · · Score: 1

    It helps when they lobby, sorry bribe, the law makers to do exactly what they're told

    In no way were any law makers bribed here!

    They bribed an appointed official instead.

  60. That's the freedom you mean? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The customer not being allowed to use his property as he sees fit?

    "Oh, but phones are sold with a contract so they're cheap"

    And it's my fault that your business idea is faulty? Is this the new free market? If a business idea gets twisted against its inventor we legislate away the twist so a faulty scheme can work out?

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  61. Re:Owning a phone is just like owning a house or c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And why can't I get voice service on a smart phone without a data plan? I'm nearly always in a wifi spot, so paying $30/mo for data is a waste of $360/year per phone.

  62. Re:All you need to know is: tyrants oppress you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you didn't buy it with rhodium backed currency nothing you "own" is really yours.

  63. Unlocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I smell some new mom and pops popping up that could do it
    while they do something else (wink, wink) and the user gets an
    unlocked phone ! Your welcome !

  64. [...] document limiting what the govt can do [...] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was epiphanic for me. Thank you.

  65. Report IMEI from other network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reporting them would be like sending rich jews back to Germany when you could take their jewels and pack them on a boat at huge personal profit.

  66. all depends what you need it for by Chirs · · Score: 1

    Around here 7-11 offers a prepaid plan with the only monthly cost being the 911 fee. After that you pay as you go, so for "light" use it's cheaper than the cheapest fixed-rate plan.

    They have an up-to-2G/month "unlimited web browsing" addon for $10/month that gets you most of the way to a full data connection when used with a proxy on the phone. This gets you texting for free with one of the various texting apps.

    So, data and texting for $11.25 a month. Try getting that with a contract plan.