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KDE 4.10 Released, the Fastest KDE Ever
sfcrazy writes "The KDE team has announced the 4.10 releases of KDE Plasma Workspaces, Applications and Development Platform. It brings many improvements, features and polishes the UI even further, which already is one of the most polished, stable and mature desktop environments. With 4.10 KDE users can experience a much more sane global-menu like implementation without interrupting their workflow. A list of improvements is available here."
This release makes major steps toward further Qt Quick/QML integration (more plasmoids are written using QML, you can create animated desktops using QML, etc.). KWin's configuration applet also supports fetching extensions from KDE Look. Perhaps the best improvement is a new indexer for Nepomuk, with claims that the semantic desktop is finally usably fast (after suffering through a multi-week indexing on my laptop, I have to say Nepomuk is really cool, but having an unusable system for that long is not so I for one welcome our new indexing overlords).
I hear both KDE users were super excited
So the question: Why does Ubuntu stick to Gnome?
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Now that Gnome came up with Java Script AND now eveb with Sandboxing their Apps like Apple does with iOS
http://m.h-online.com/open/news/item/GNOME-developers-plan-Linux-apps-1798691.html
Kde as well as Xfce start becoming a serious option for me.
Nepomuk usually crashes before the desktop is loaded. If it doesn't then it slows down everything. I'd rather figure out how to uninstall it.
Just to clarify for people, the new Nepomuk indexer was COMPLETLY and UTTERLY rewritten from scratch and shares ZERO of the old code. IT uses 2 pass indexing just like OS X-- pass 1 is just file name and location so that basic search works. Pass 2 is when it starts figuring out music tags or director tags for movies , things like that.
One of the reasons the old indexer was so slow would be because you could search by content WITHIN the files, unfortunately it would scan every file, even those without any useful content for indexing like movies or music. This does mean some reduced functionality but it also means a lot more stable and quick system.
Also STRIGI has been completly thrown out so thats not an issue anymore.
I was a big time fan of KDE2/3. The 4.0 release was far too rushed and eventually made me switch entirely to Fluxbox, which these days I've replaced with XCFE. I can't imagine switching back now but the change list and features in this 4.10 series make KDE a much more viable alternative to other WMs now. I feel a bit sorry for the KDE developers - I got the impression there was a sea-change in the project with the 4.x branch that they've had to slog uphill to overcome.
jaymz
I suppose Linus on the desktop is better than Linus on the laptop, he would probably break it.
So, a new version of this image, then...
Windows moves in mysterious ways, its crashes to perform
This is actually a legit question. Mark Shuttleworth has repeatedly praised Qt. He has forked away from Gnome. The new Ubuntu phone interface is apparently written in Qt, and he is encouraging developers to write Qt/QML apps for his new phone platform.
I bet Ubuntu could recreate their Unity interface in Plasma/Qt easily enough. But the really interesting aspect of that is that they could create one device that could easily change UIs/shells based upon how it was used. A tablet could default a touch interface, but switch to a more traditional interface with paired with a keyboard. A phone interface could change to a desktop interface in a dock.
http://blindscribblings.com - Tasty pop-culture in conceptual fashion.
I just upgraded and luckily my heavily customized setup from 4.9 is intact. KDE's been snappy on this notebook anyway and completely problem-free for months (well only Firefox in conjunction with Google Docs freezes like once a day... but that's an FF bug) frankly I wouldn't use it if it was slow, so I don't see any particular change in speed.. and I was running the indexers and whatnot before. The only thing that was using a lot of resources (imo) was Amarok, but then I removed all services, plugins and stuff I don't use, and now it never goes over 70 MB after playing music all day.
I've been using KDE for less than a year but all in all I like this desktop.
Is KDE 4.10 really faster than KDE1 and KDE2 on the same system?
Between those "features" and knotify4 hogging 97% of the CPU after a certain period of uptime (along with the inevitable system lockups), I switched to openbox and have had nothing but stability ever since. I liked KDE but it was just more hassle, than it was worth. I very much wish they'd make a slimmed down, window manager only version.
Shame on you! You seem to be making fun of the fact that he is what they call a "full-figured, plus-sized, real man".
I'll stick with Windows 8, thanks.
It does for folk who like it that way, and those unable to navigate clicky GUI configuration options with big icons and explanatory tooltips, and change it. :)
My KDE UI looks nothing like the default. But it's not about the UI, anyway
Eh? You're comparing a complete desktop environment to a window manager.
Translation
hey guys- I've replaced my full blownout desktop environment with a lot of different services and stuff tightly integrated into it to make this shit actually useful for this window manager and oh boy, it's so much faster!
I have no doubt that you are, given your willingness to prove it, and frankly that fact is unlikely to change no matter which WM you use.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Am I the only one who cringes every time the word ever is used in marketing? What I guess marketing people don't realize is ever includes past present and FUTURE!
Run Windows 7.
Run Linux in VirtualBox.
Never worry about getting multimedia, games, power management (say, hibernation), wireless drivers, etc. working on Linux ever again.
Bonus: you can probably just run Openbox or Windowmaker or something else light since you've got Windows to do most of the stuff you needed KDE/Gnome/XFCE for.
Linus on the laptop
Damnit, I'm going to be having nightmares for a month.
in .kde/share/config/kdeglobal, you can change the value of
ButtonLayout=1
This will change the button order. This is one of those things that should never have a GUI option :). But this is KDE, so an option there is!
100% CPU usage is not a bug but a symptom of a bug. There are numerous bugs and warts in numerous programs that cause 100% CPU usage. (And of course, it's not a bug if the program is doing useful computation...)
That's apparently controlled by the "Widget style". If you use the "Bespin" style, for instance, then one of the things you can configure in "Input/System" is called "Dialog buttons layout". They offer four choices: Windows, OS X, KDE, and Gnome.
So, yes, you can put the OK button on the right in KDE dialogs.
Oh man, I think that is almost not work safe.
Ah, easier way:
"GTK+ Style" in the same place puts OK button on the right without configuration (and looks a heck of a lot more "normal" than Bespin does by default).
You seem to be confusing high temperatures, noisy fans and the aroma of burning components with the perception of speed. I blame this perceptual dissonance on unquestioning and/or subconscious acquiescence to the slashdot cult of the car analogy, possibly compounded by too many hours watching nascar. Another win for nepomuk and the semantic desktop.
In Koviet Krussia the Kovernment Kindexes Kyou.
K kthx kbye.
And that annoying ass 'Cashew' is still there after thousands of complaints. Other than that I think it looks great!.
I've been a KDE user from 1.x but KIO and Nepomuk have been enough to really make me consider moving to something else. I use Midnight Commander for all my big/important file moves, not because I LIKE to use it better but because I've had way too many occasions where anything that uses KIO just royally hoses up my files. I've actually lost data to how poorly that performs. It hasn't been limited to just one system either, it's been multiple computers over the years. I really want to use Konqueror, Dolphin and Krusader but for the integrity of my files I avoid it.
Akonadi seems to be rather a pain also.
Get rid of Nepomuk, Akonadi, and KIOslave hosing up your files KDE is rather nice. But is it really KDE anymore?
Just to be clear, I've been on KDE from 1.x until now, I'm not a hater, I've stuck with KDE through when I first toyed with Redhat, to SuSE, to Debian, and now Kubuntu, I'm certainly not a hater, but where there's flaws the flaws are grand.
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...my Fedora machine crashed with the 100% CPU usage bug again. Is this bug simply impossible to fix?
Tell me about it. I first started having problems with the 100% CPU usage bug while I was running MS-DOS in the early 1980s.
I mean, how hard can it be to fix this one damned bug? Does it really take 30 years?
I haven't been able to mount my new device running Jellybean because it uses MTP instead of the old Mass Storage, so this capability is welcomed.
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A solution still in search of a problem, as far as I can see.
I never said faster, I said more stabile.
What difference does it make? Does a desktop get a pass for instability, simply because it's aiming for a higher goal? And I'm not even comparing. I'm just saying I had to move on to something useable.
Reading your experiences I convinced you accidentally mixed up the words Gnome and KDE.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Does a desktop get a pass for instability, simply because it's aiming for a higher goal?
Nothing should get a pass for instability. But Openbox is a much simpler system and it's obvious that there is less things to go wrong. It's like finding some problems in Microsoft Office and then you rejoice how you find much more stability in Notepad. Not a fair comparison.
Of course, that being said, if Openbox provides you everything you need and it works well, then it's of course an excellent choice. Maybe you only needed a screwdriver and not the whole toolbox.
Not completely. Especially if you have multiple users. There used to be an option to not even compile it in, but they took that out.
Is your issue Fedora or KDE related? If Fedora subscribe here or if KDE related subscribe here . Personally I have not had many problems with Fedora (I have 18) and even less with KDE although I did switch to Gnome for a few months when KDE 4.0 came out.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
Run Windows 7.
Run Linux in VirtualBox.
Never worry about getting multimedia, games, power management (say, hibernation), wireless drivers, etc. working on Linux ever again.
Bonus: you can probably just run Openbox or Windowmaker or something else light since you've got Windows to do most of the stuff you needed KDE/Gnome/XFCE for.
Run a good Linux distribution.
:)
Run MS Windows 7 or XP in VirtualBox.
There fixed it for you
I will concede Microsoft specific OS games which I don't play anyway but everything else works.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
I've found Windows' power management to be much more reliable since Vista, though of course only OSX gets it mostly right, and that's largely because Apple controls the hardware. The only time I've ever had hibernation working close to 100% reliably in Linux (so, no crashes after resume, no blank screens, and the only broken drivers were network-related and fixable with a couple rmmod/modprobes) was on an old IBM Thinkpad, and that's only because it had a feature that let you create a special HD partition and have the BIOS handle the whole thing. It wasn't a deal-breaker back when Windows was as bad or worse, but their power management's not awful any more.
That on top of a pile of other annoyances has driven me away. To be fair I've never put much effort in to shopping for Linux-friendly hardware, but then again that sort of extra work and worry is exactly the kind of thing I'd rather avoid these days unless I'm being paid to do it.
I do still like it on the server, provided someone else is supporting the hardware and guaranteeing it'll work smoothly with Linux.
Won't somebody please ask Linus to take similar photo+pose of himself? That'd be funny. :)
Holy Fuck, people still use Midnight Commander?
I could use the command line, but I find using Midnight Commander - even in X - is easier. Less typing. If I didn't care about the integrity of my files I could use any of the KDE file managers, but I've wasted enough time on that. Fortunately most of my file corruption has come from file copy operations, not moves between devices.
Midnight commander has one option most file managers seem to lack which I find incredibly useful. I can chose "only if size differs" when overwriting files. It saves a lot of time over "overwrite all" and will over-write corrupted, truncated, or out of date files unlike skip.
Most importantly it doesn't use KIO to do the file management so my files are usually pretty safe.
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I didn't mean to be insulting, I just haven't heard the name Midnight Commander in many years, or at least I wasn't aware that it was still around.
How tight is the integration between text based configuration tools in /etc/ and the KDE widgets themselves? Does KDE know how to connect those to the corresponding files in all the OSs it supports, depending on whether the underlying base OS is Debian, Fedora, FBSD/PC-BSD, Gentoo, Slackware and so on? I would think that that one thing is the key to eliminating the dependence on the CLI to configure various things in the OS, whether it is the networking & wi-fi, IP Tables or pF, and so on. Can one administer an entire OS just sitting in KDE without invoking the command line? If one can, it would be fair to say that OSs supported by these are really ready for the desktop.
The theming was awesome even in KDE 3 - I could make it look like CDE, OpenLook, Windows or anything else listed. I'd like to know how much things have progressed beyond that, not just in improving the responsiveness, but also making KDE a comprehensive UI for POSIX based OSs, which would require the things I listed above.
I run KDE on my work laptop. Have had the machine turned on without a reboot for over 6 months now and haven't experienced any rogue processes or major memory leaks. I'm about to do some kernel updates though, so here comes a reboot! =)
My point is that your experience is not mine - nor many others.
I didn't take it as such. I mostly replied to bring attention to the file corruption issue and the awesome "only if size differs" option. I've looked through the bug-boards on the file corruption issue, I'm not the only person who's had it but the universal response to the many, many reports of the bug has been "unable to duplicate problem - closed".
I've had success in the past calling out software folks on Slashdot, especially when they hose over their own "proper way" of submitting bugs. When the correct way is ignored this way tends to have a bit of an effect. I think it's hilarious when the proper way or reporting things gets ignored repeatedly then I get a virtual butt chewing for "bug report via Slashdot instead of the proper way". When I nice hint doesn't work use a trumpet.
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