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Copyright Claim Thwarts North Korean Propaganda

ianare writes "A propaganda video from the North Korean authorities has been removed from YouTube following a copyright claim by games maker Activision. It shows a space craft flying around the world and eventually over a city resembling New York. The buildings are then seen crumbling amid fires and missile attacks. However, the dramatic images (video) were soon recognized as having been lifted from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. By Tuesday, the video had been blocked, with a message notifying users of Activision's complaint shown in its place."

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  1. This is very worrying. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had hoped that North Korea was spending a large percentage of it's budget on original computer graphics propaganda rather than it's actual weapons, but unfortunately I was wrong.

  2. Two sides to the coin by canadiannomad · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't like how easy it is for people to take down other peoples work, and lately we have seen a lot of that.
    Though it is nice to see when the evil tool is used for good.

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    1. Re:Two sides to the coin by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 1

      this is just plain funny

    2. Re:Two sides to the coin by canadiannomad · · Score: 1, Funny

      I too can quote myself.
      --canadiannomad

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    3. Re:Two sides to the coin by canadiannomad · · Score: 1, Funny

      That isn't to say I disagree with you...

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    4. Re:Two sides to the coin by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      Unless copyright claims is how they are planning to cope with real nuclear shots from NK.

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    5. Re: Two sides to the coin by tippe · · Score: 1

      Of course not, don't be silly. Use of nuclear weapons is clearly a case of patent infringement and will be dealt with through litigation. Duh!

    6. Re:Two sides to the coin by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 2

      " Oh, wait... it turns out that the original video was actually taken down by the user who uploaded it (i.e., whatever North Korea's version of Ronaiah Tuiasosopo is), so it wasn't so much a victory for America! as it was a failure of America!'s media fact-checking efforts."

      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130206/10392021893/north-korea-threatens-to-nuke-us-with-copied-video-game-footage.shtml

      Cough.

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    7. Re: Two sides to the coin by Ricwot · · Score: 2

      You don't think that this is something American citizens deserve to see. Yes there's copyright infringement but I'd strongly argue its in the public interest to know about the kinds of threats being made.

    8. Re:Two sides to the coin by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Actually, I would like to watch that video. It sounds like it would've been more amusing than anything I've seen all week. I'm disappointed that I didn't hear about it until it was taken down, and I think it's a shame that the video game producer couldn't be a better sport about the thing, given that this video was very obviously not competing with them in any meaningful way.

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  3. Dadblastit by xevioso · · Score: 1

    Yeah! Silly North Koreans! Make your own darned cgi video of NY blowing up!

  4. Re:video clip of gameplay by arbiter1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um fair use, no. Those movies captured from video games give credit to the game they are taken from. The video used by north korea uses games with 0 credit to the game makers. But with that said any those videos on youtube the game creator is well within their rights to remove them but they don't as its not to piss off their fan's. N korea used the video in what is a clear IMO threat to the US of nuclear weapon use. China their biggest ally wouldn't stand by and allow that to happen.

  5. Marines by girlintraining · · Score: 2

    I have a friend who's a marine and we had a good laugh about the mock fighter jet the Iranians put out last week. I bet I'll have them on the floor when I show them this...

    The media portrays Iran as this menacing threat. People in our military however tend to look at them as that kid who kicks sand in everyone's faces. Harmless, but annoying.

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    1. Re:Marines by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Iraq was a lot more "harmless" than Iran, but I'm sure the 5000 dead and 30,000 wounded US soldiers would dispute that description.

    2. Re:Marines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Iraq was a lot more "harmless" than Iran, but I'm sure the 5000 dead and 30,000 wounded US soldiers would dispute that description.

      I'm sure the dead are the ones who wouldn't dispute anything.

    3. Re:Marines by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      True. But if they do launch a high altitude nuke and detonate it way up there, the resulting EMP (sand) could blind us for a very very long time. Not so funny now is it round eye?

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    4. Re:Marines by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      True. But if they do launch a high altitude nuke and detonate it way up there, the resulting EMP (sand) could blind us for a very very long time. Not so funny now is it round eye?

      First, they need to have a nuke to launch, and their nuclear scientists have an odd habit of exploding, dying in car accidents, or taking vacations to the United States that they never return from. And then there was that unfortunate problem with all their centrifuges self-destructing. Couple that with their apparent inability to construct anything high-tech like, say, a fighter jet, without it having basic design flaws like, say, the afterburner melting the aircraft and setting fire to the pilot, and I'll just say "Hammer industries... 20 years."

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    5. Re:Marines by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I don't know if the Iraqi soldiers were "harmless" as much as "had no loyalty to Saddam Hussein and his family".

      I'd imagine a fair number of Iranian soldiers feel the same way about the Ayatollah, but it's hard to say when it's a matter of loyalty to a religious leader vs a secular dictator.

    6. Re:Marines by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine a fair number of Iranian soldiers feel the same way about the Ayatollah, but it's hard to say when it's a matter of loyalty to a religious leader vs a secular dictator.

      I doubt any Iranian soldiers are on /. to comment on this, but since the Ayatollahs have established a "revolutionary guard" as a parallel military with its own command structure, logistic chain, etc. it seems they don't trust their professional army.

    7. Re:Marines by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. 125,000 well equipped loyal soldiers (give or take) would be a hell of a lot worse than a few thousand insurgents in Iraq. I hate to Godwin the discussion but there are parallels, of course...

    8. Re:Marines by Smauler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This.

      girlintraining, ask your marine friend about how many people died, and how they died in Iraq. Laugh over coffee.

    9. Re:Marines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, harmless as long as you didn't invade and occupy it for ten years.

    10. Re:Marines by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Well, harmless as long as you didn't invade and occupy it for ten years.

      Yes, brilliant point, in which case Russia and China must have even more harmless militaries since they have not been invaded and occupied for almost 70 years!

    11. Re:Marines by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, I'm sure those 30K / 1M = 1 out of 30 soldiers who were wounded feel much better about those statistics, not including all of those with PTSD, etc.

    12. Re:Marines by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      And you could say that about even one person who was wounded or became afflicted with PTSD. It is valid to point out the actual proportions of those involved to those who actually became casualties as a measure of success of an operation.

      While it would be nice to have *no* casualties, that isn't usually an option when it becomes a military operation.

    13. Re:Marines by Herr+Brush · · Score: 1

      And your point is? If Iran was to be neutralized as a threat to the region, it would take more than a bombing campaign. That means boots on the ground and lots of dead marines.

    14. Re:Marines by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I think you should go reread how this thread started and then look up the definition of "harmless".

    15. Re:Marines by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Well, it is probably at least a little silly to call a country like Iran or Iraq "harmless", but in comparison to the looming threats of both past and present, they certainly are fairly harmless. And I think the thread starter was mostly talking about their equipment, as opposed to their ability to kill people, which even then, is only possible because we walked up to their house. Short of their ability to kill people via terrorism and possibly shutting down the Persian Gulf for the brief time it would take us to sortie to destroy their ASM sites, their power projection capability is near zero, and their conventional forces are a joke in any fair fight.

      We get torqued up about them because they are the Enemy de jure, but they really are Mickey Mouse on a geopolitical level.

      So, let's call them "Mostly Harmless".

  6. Headline Trollops by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    North Korea has morphed into a Kardashian class nation, whereby it matters not "what" they're in the news for, so long as they're in the news....

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  7. We are the World by Zeni · · Score: 3, Funny

    WTF? Really We are the World that crappy 80's song so we give money to the starving people of Africa.

    Oh I get it DPRK is starving and that's their way of saying please help us.

    1. Re:We are the World by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      That's actually what it is... except that the government wants the help without compromising on their complete and absolute power.

      They are poking at us because they know we won't attack them. They also know that if they launched a nuke at the US, North Korea would be a smoking crater 30 minutes later, and there would be nowhere in the world that the Kim family could hide, even if they survived the retaliatory strike.

      The point of the exercise is to rile us up enough that politically there becomes pressure to pay them off to get them to stop riling up our populations and making them fear the "insane" NK government.

  8. Transformative Use? by allaunjsilverfox2 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there is a argument for that somewhere? Regardless of message, it is not just a clip of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3.

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  9. Re:First takedown! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    I claim North Korea for the MPAA!

    I'm so confused about this. I suppose NK has done more physical harm to other humans than the corporate entities that have been able to abuse the DMCA. So I suppose it's a victory, but it feels like a Pyrrhic one.

  10. Re:I wonder something... by arbiter1 · · Score: 1

    I believe the cases are completely different as parody is allowed, straight out stealing video from a game using in an attack type statement is not.

  11. Cardassian class nation by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    North Korea has morphed into a Kardashian class nation

    It already was: "Cardassian society is often depicted as being Orwellian, with strict government control over information and violent force. Denizens are shown as having unquestioning obedience to authority due to the general lack of human rights, which provides a contrast to the personal protections of the Federation."

    1. Re:Cardassian class nation by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      Mixing up Trek with Kardashians? Although alien mind control would explain how they're famous.

    2. Re:Cardassian class nation by tepples · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mixing up Trek with Kardashians?

      I wouldn't be the only one.

    3. Re:Cardassian class nation by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

      Hopefully you dont know that the celebrity and the race are two very distinct things and the grand parent was not talking about that some alien race, but one who wants to be on the tabloid grocery market isle.

      But the point is that the cardassians were supposed to be nazis. Bajor was obviously isreal, klingons germans, romulans russians, etc.

      North korea on the other hand are the ones with the spaceship that "wont go" and needs geordi to fix them, only to have his good will taken advantage of by malevolent imbeciles.

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    4. Re:Cardassian class nation by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      North Korea is the Ferengi, without the lobes for business.

    5. Re:Cardassian class nation by khallow · · Score: 2

      klingons germans, romulans russians, etc.

      I believe the Klingons and Romulans were crudely based on the USSR and Communistic China respectively. Keep in mind that China in the 60s was pretty much as isolated from the West as North Korea is now, which is a better match for the secretive and xenophobic Romulans than the Soviet Russians who tended to have schemes brewing everywhere and had a far more interventionist approach (which fits the Klingons much better).

    6. Re:Cardassian class nation by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      I believe the Klingons and Romulans were crudely based on the USSR and Communistic China respectively. Keep in mind that China in the 60s was pretty much as isolated from the West as North Korea is now, which is a better match for the secretive and xenophobic Romulans than the Soviet Russians who tended to have schemes brewing everywhere and had a far more interventionist approach (which fits the Klingons much better).

      Interesting. If we assume the analogues were deliberate, it makes me wonder about the Vulcans. My first guess would be Japan - an ancient society that turned away from its violent past in pursuit of logic and knowledge. I'm by no means an expert on international relations back in the '60s - not sure how good a fit this is. Particularly since the Vulcan's violent period is ancient history in all the Trek cannon, whereas it was still very fresh in the middle-aged WW2 vets back in the '60s.

      Gotta say, stuff like this is part of why I love Slashdot. Where else can you start from the North Koreans cribbing video game footage for a propaganda film and end up discussing the geopolitical symbolism of Star Trek?

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    7. Re:Cardassian class nation by khallow · · Score: 1

      That is a good point. The name, "Romulans" is an obvious pointer towards one of the mythological founders of Rome and they use Roman titles frequently (such as "centurion" and "praetor").

      But the Roman empire was not at all isolationist (except when it came to repelling "barbarians" at the frontiers). I think one needs to look to communist China for what inspired that choice.

      I see from Wikipedia that while the Romulans preceded the Klingons, both races were introduced in the first season (the Klingons here). I think the creators of Star Trek had all along looked to modern day analogies for creating the long standing conflicts of the Star Trek universe.

  12. Re:How convenient. by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

    Well, as much as I hate "Big Content providers" and their shills, I can totally see why Activision does not want to see its content in NK propaganda video.

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  13. We are the world? by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    Anyone notice the theme music in the video? A strangely sappy song to have playing for the nuking of New York.

    Oh, and I'll bet they didn't get permission for the song either as well as the Activision video. Wait until the RIAA bills Dear Leader for eleventy billion dollars for lost revenue. That'll fix 'em.

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  14. Peter Griffin by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 1

    When I see NK doing testing with rockets I just get reminded of the family guy episode where Peter crashes the petercopter then the hindenpeter into Joe's front yard.

    "How can you afford these things?!"

  15. Re:First takedown! by icebike · · Score: 1

    I suppose it's a victory, but it feels like a Pyrrhic one.

    True,
    If the nut job running that country does manage to lob something our way, or toward Japan or Seoul, we are going to look pretty stupid waving the DMCA at them.
    Especially when it has already been seen by the people it was aimed at, (North Korean TV viewers). The sad part is, that Kim family has pretty well made his own country the dunderheads of the far east. Even Vietnam could whip up a better sim than stealing one out of a common game.

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  16. Fair Use by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't it covered by 'Fair Use'?

    1. Re:Fair Use by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      In what way? In checking the four considerations for Fair Use in the US, I'm not seeing how any of them (other than perhaps the point about affecting the market value of the work) favor the idea that they were engaging in Fair Use. The fact that the clip is fictional, was used for their own profit, and that it made up a major piece of their video (i.e. that they didn't contribute much, at least, based on the descriptions I've read, since I can't find the original clip) all work against them in this case.

    2. Re:Fair Use by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Probably not. Having only a small sample usually isn't enough to get a fair use defense by itself.

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    3. Re:Fair Use by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2

      No it is not. Glorious Leader should sue those thieving imperialist talentless hacks at Activision for stealing his footage which he made himself by typing out the binary.

    4. Re:Fair Use by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

      "The fact that the clip is fictional, was used for their own profit, and that it made up a major piece of their video (i.e. that they didn't contribute much, at least, based on the descriptions I've read"

      Profit? These guys are old-line Commies, so profit is probably the least of their motives, unless they've become so bankrupt they need to cash in on their YouTube hits. As for "fictional", I'd say much of what politicians claim during election season falls under that same broad category.

      While I suspect the video was done in poor taste, I'd say it pretty much falls under the standard definition of fair use. Add to this the fact that it's a government doing it. And as we all well know, governments, even presumably democratic ones, can get away with far many more criminal acts than the average Joe Blow or fringe group.

    5. Re:Fair Use by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Profit? These guys are old-line Commies, so profit is probably the least of their motives

      Oh come off it, the whole commie thing is just an excuse for the fat cats at the top to live it up with hookers and blow while the rest of the population languishes in a human hell.

  17. Plenty more out there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2
    1. Re:Plenty more out there by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Ok... that video was interesting, thanks for posting it.

      I also found this, which is slogans of North Korean posters... I was laughing for about 10 minutes, literally. Crap... perhaps it's my sense of humour... I'm crying watching it again.

      ps. it's _very_ anti-American - if you're offended by things like that, don't watch. It's not funny because it's anti-American though.

    2. Re:Plenty more out there by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why, but there's something inherently funny about "Isn't this a concrete fence?"

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  18. Phase 2 by Turminder+Xuss · · Score: 1

    Kidnapping South Korean graphics designers to do an original animation. They have form in this regard, see here

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    1. Re:Phase 2 by Turminder+Xuss · · Score: 1

      ahem, here [wikipedia.org]

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  19. Good by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

    So what exactly was the good which happened by taking down the video?

  20. Re:First takedown! by cffrost · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even Vietnam could whip up a better sim than stealing one out of a common game.

    I'm not so sure; North Korea's driving simulation technology approaches a level of sophistication not seen since the heyday of Pole Position.

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  21. In other news: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    NK's Glorious Leader has changed his name to Duke Nukem.

  22. Berne convention by manu0601 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For whoever is interested, North Korea signed Berne convention in 2003. Foreign author copyright has therefore a meaning for them.

  23. Re:video clip of gameplay by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I disagree, in that a lot of those videos are indeed fair use. Corporate America has been working to redefine fair use, but recording yourself doing something, such as playing a game, is fair use.

    The problem with North Korea's video is that it isn't for "personal use", but for commercial and/or political use. There is a huge difference between private, personal use and political use. A foreign government can't just take your stuff and apply it to their political goals, without permission and or compensation. Not unless they have the political and/or military power to back up that seizure.

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  24. The South Koreans however, would be all PMSL by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

    Well, given the gaming reputation of the South Koreans, NK isn't really going to fool anyone down South, is it? If that was the target of their propaganda, that is -- SK would enjoy a huge laugh at NK's expense.

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  25. This is madness! by russotto · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kim Jong-Un wrote Call of Duty himself, in an evening. Activision is the thief here, and they will feel the wrath of the Supreme Leader.

  26. Re:video clip of gameplay by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    I for one consider it to be parody.

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  27. Re:video clip of gameplay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I disagree, in that a lot of those videos are indeed fair use. Corporate America has been working to redefine fair use, but recording yourself doing something, such as playing a game, is fair use.

    And you'd be wrong. It's already gone through court, well before Internet video, so it's not even a theoretical. In case you're wondering, it was over unauthorized strategy guides. Legal if they're pure text like on GameFAQs, not so much when they're video tapes showing game play footage.

    So any time you see some idiot on YouTube showing how "awesome" he is at Super Mario Bros. or "pwning n00bs" in Call of Honor, it's blatantly illegal. The only reason the videos aren't immediately taken down is that most video game companies are afraid that they'd piss off their fan base.

    But don't mistake "fear of fan backlash" as "legal."

  28. Re:First takedown! by drkim · · Score: 4, Funny
  29. And to see the video banned from Youtube by Lorens · · Score: 4, Funny

    we are directed to a copy of the video... on YouTube??

  30. Re:I wonder something... by drkim · · Score: 1

    Can North Korea demand that YouTube take down any video clips of Kim Jung Il singing "I'm so Ronery" from Team America, as that is clearly an unauthorised reproduction of the Dear leader singing?

    No. The real Kim Jung Il never actually sang "I'm so Ronrey." He used to sing:
    "Your Little Body's Slowly Breaking Down" from "Evita"
    "I Kissed a Girl"
    "Walk Like an Egyptian"
    "Easy To Be Hard"
      and
    "America" from "West Side Story"

  31. where? by FilatovEV · · Score: 1

    Any way... where can I watch the video?

  32. Re:First takedown! by Smauler · · Score: 5, Funny

    How has "Don't stare at me i'm on duty" not become a meme yet...

  33. Re:video clip of gameplay by Smauler · · Score: 1

    Isn't that fair use?

    There's no such thing as "fair use" in most of the world. The US is kind of on it's own legally, with it.

    Parody, you can do everywhere - use of the original material, not so much.

  34. Re:Chilling Effects by Smauler · · Score: 1

    Youtube is a US company, using US laws. Sorry... I feel no sympathy for plagiarism (which is completely different from copyright infringement, btw).

    No one is stopping them from producing their own content, and publishing it on a major US website. They can publish whatever they like.

  35. Re:How convenient. by Smauler · · Score: 1

    This is exactly what copyright is for, or what it should be for. Moral and ethical issues about where the product you have produced are much much much more important than financial ones. I don't quite know where you are coming from with this.

    Copyright is by it's very nature censorship. That's its point. Unless you disavow it altogether, you support censorship.

  36. Copyright abuse? by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    Not being familiar with the game: was the video included as such with the game? As a cutscene, introduction or whatever?

    Or was the video a recorded sequence of gameplay? If this is the case, is it right for the games company to have copyright on what I consider user-generated content? Does Notch now have a precedent to take down Youtube videos of Minecraft constructs?

    It's easy to be all neener, neener in this particular case, but IMO we're seeing an abuse of the law here.

  37. But are lawyers cheaper than battleships? ;-) by fantomas · · Score: 1

    My first thought was - great - we can save money and remove North Korea as a threat to world peace by employing lawyers to shut them down and save lots of money by reducing military forces.... but then... I got wondering... perhaps the lawyers cost more than battle fleets and jet planes and nuclear missiles? ;-)

  38. Re:video clip of gameplay by lxs · · Score: 1

    I thought political speech was even better protected in the US? Or doesn't it count if it's by a dictator who isn't propped up by the Pentagon?
    Anyway these crazy videos are so unbelievable they count as parody in my book.

  39. Re: Chilling Effects by Ricwot · · Score: 1

    It's at war with South Korea, which has a massive US military presence for support, so yes.

  40. I smell bullshit by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    What about all the other game videos people put up? I smell bullshit.

  41. Re:video clip of gameplay by icebraining · · Score: 2

    There's no such thing as "fair use" in most of the world. The US is kind of on it's own legally, with it.

    But the law that applied here was the US law. In fact, under NK law, copyrighted works can be copied without consent as long as they're "performed free of charge", so this question wouldn't even be relevant.

  42. Re:First takedown! by ryzvonusef · · Score: 1

    I suddenly feel compelled to ride one.

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  43. It's all bad by flug · · Score: 1

    This is bad news for two reasons:

    • 1. We should let North Korean propaganda fly its flag proudly so that everyone can see it for the ridiculousness that it is.
    • 2. This is very clearly fair use.

    Boy, never thought I'd see myself defending North Korea about anything. Looks like in the North Korea vs. MPAA evilness matchup, MPAA wins . . .

  44. Re:video clip of gameplay by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

    I thought political speech was even better protected in the US? Or doesn't it count if it's by a dictator who isn't propped up by the Pentagon?

    Thing is, a private company can do whatever they want in the way of censorship. The law and the constitution protect you from the government impinging upon your rights. My guess is that YouTube would have removed this trash anyway eventually, and they are under no obligation to respect "free speech" rights. Moreover, it wasn't the government that requested the takedown, it was Activision. And YouTube did so. I'm all about defending the constitution and everything, but there's really no grist here for that mill.

  45. Re:Chilling Effects by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    Well you know, all NK needed to do was not use footage from someone else's game, and they could very easily have not become affected.

    And presumably, they can render their own scene of New York burning, substitute it in, and post the very same video, and Activision couldn't say anything. So, this isn't some sort of blanket power of censorship, it is simply a statement that if you want to shout from a soapbox, maybe you should get your own.

     

  46. Re:Chilling Effects by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    Actually, the US is at war with North Korea and *everybody* knows.

    The Korean War never ended officially, there was only an Armistice signed, not a Peace Treaty. We are *still* at war with North Korea and have been since the 1950's. The fact that the current situation simulates an actual peace hides the technical reality of the situation.

  47. Re:Awww.... by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    It was hard to get a time scheduled to shut down Rush Hour traffic so that 80% of New York City could be lit on fire.

    Of course, they could have just used Detroit, but then people wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between the damage from the depicted attack and what Detroit usually looks like on a normal day.

  48. Re:How convenient. by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    Let's avoid the confusion of terms.

    Copyright is not censorship, it is a licensing scheme for the use of written and recorded works to induce authors/publishers to produce works, not to discourage them.

    Censorship is government action to stop speech or publication based on the content of the speech, without regard to the "ownership" of the content.

    The reality that copyright can seem like censorship in some facets of enforcement does not make it censorship, because in the end, the government does not enforce based on the content of the piece, only on the claimed ownership. In that manner, the government might enforce copyright against even those who produce government-friendly material, if the material violates someone's copyright.

     

  49. Bulldust by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

    No way did this come out of North Korea. Anyone believing that is a dropkick.

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    The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.