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Handheld Black Hornet Nano Drones Issued To UK Soldiers
cylonlover writes "Drones have become a valuable asset for any military force in recent years for both combat and surveillance. But while scanning a warzone from miles away is great from a tactical standpoint, unmanned aircraft can be just as useful in the hands of troops on the ground. That's why British soldiers in Afghanistan have been issued several Black Hornet Nanos, a palm-sized UAV that can scout around corners and obstacles for hidden dangers. Each UAV measures just 4 x 1 inches (10 x 2.5cm) and weighs a mere 0.6 ounces (16 grams), making it easy for troops to carry along with the rest of their gear. A built-in camera transmits live video and still images to a handheld control unit at a range of up to half a mile (800 meters)."
At £125.000 ($200.000) each they are a steal. :-)
That seems like a good deal.
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Thats $125k each actually.
Drone strike.....
"Ow!"
You're off by a few orders of magnitude. Periods and commas mean different things in different parts of the world, especially as they pertain to numerical expression.
Yeah, they cost 200k for the first few. But that is to cover development. The actual price of these things should fall dramatically over the next year or so as they get rolled out. If this is the same tiny drone I've seen pictures of in the news lately, they look like something you'd find being flown around the mall by some guy selling them at a kiosk, albeit with quite a bit more technology in the camera and remote control.
--Forest C. Adcock--
Read the article: One of the main selling points of this tiny little helicopter is the fact that it is actually very stable even in high winds.
Remember that it was developed here in Norway where we have quite a bit of "inclement weather", i.e. it has to be able to handle both wind, dust and some rain.
Re. the excessive cost: This will obviously come down a lot, and even if the main article didn't say so, each kit contains multiple drones: The mil-spec controller is probably far more expensive to manufacture than each drone.
Terje
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
Those are some very small palms.
First of all, its 125000 GBP, not USD, second, that's the cost for 10 years of maintenance.
Meaning, that for 10 years, they'll repair and replace those drones, which will undoubtedly get damaged pretty frequently in a combat situation.
One thing is for certain, soldiers will have plans formed in much less than the first hour after the drones are issued to them..."We need drone style, real-time visual recon of the nearest women's shower. ASAP!"
Troops will be troops, it has been so for thousands of years: Live to get laid, have the next drink, and collecting some coin.
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So how does she shit?
A can of wasp and hornet spray, and a fly swatter, and you're good to go!
Or go high-tech, and get the laser anti-flying insect defense system that was an article here some years back. It shouldn't be too difficult to boost the laser output power.
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How about one of these?
If the UK government is going to bulk buy for a better cost then there are probably other parts under the government umbrella that are going to get some. Like M16. Like the police. Could be useful to buzz in for some pictures of faces in a crowd.
It's tempting to think they tested it in Bergen
I fly a walkera genius (it's a tiny bit bigger http://www.helipal.com/walkera-hm-genius-cp-v2-helicopter-2-4ghz-value-edition.html ) and it handles the wind exceptionally. Wind i couldn't fly an rc plane in, the little chopper barely gets disturbed. I think it's due to being such a small surface area, plus those little motors have surprising amount of power. If any one wants to try this at home you can also buy 1 gram camera and transmitter modules http://www.fpvhobby.com/143-sub-nano-combo-set.html ; it'll only run for 8 minutes or so (not like the 30 this uk military one does) but the genius is fast and it's full 3d cyclic pitch (fly it upside down if you can handle it).
Rocket Surgeon.
I was quite surprised to see that this military model is a heli, was expecting a quadcopter, they're mechanically simpler (easier to repair!). Micro-sized toy/hobby-grade quads (e.g. Walkera Ladybird, Hubsan X4) are pretty impressive these days, I'm sure with a military hardware budget they could be made even better...
30min battery life is impressive though, compared to toy/hobby gear, where 5-8mins is about all you'll get out of something on that scale.
The quads are defiantly easier to fly. Even with all the gyros the genius has it takes a bit of skill/practice to fly right (luckily they are so light you can cut power at pretty much any height, crash, and it'll usually come out unscathed, depending on the surface it hits). Downsides to the quads is they aren't as good in the wind, bigger, and not as efficient.
I Found a nice video of a mini cp (also from walkera, very similar to the genius) setup with a mini camera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtL2kqQhEfA&playnext=1&list=PL5DD8DBE964939570&feature=results_video
Rocket Surgeon.
Looks like good skeet shooting. Remind me to get stronger mosquito nets.
Re. the excessive cost: This will obviously come down a lot, and even if the main article didn't say so, each kit contains multiple drones: The mil-spec controller is probably far more expensive to manufacture than each drone.
Terje
And, I would imagine, cheaper than repatriation and medical costs - not to mention the lost cost of training etc.
How much C4 do you need one of these things to carry before it becomes a nice way to take out the target after it finds one?
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The concept of portable drones a soldier can deploy in the field reminds me a bit of manhacks (those spinny-blade enemies in Half-Life 2).
Not that anyone remembers such an old game like Half-Life 2. Heck I think even Valve's forgotten about the series... /cry
I'm having trouble believing the "16g" part of this story.
a) It doesn't seem possible - equivalent civilian 'copters with smaller batteries weigh 30-40g.
b) Even if it's possible, why bother? They claim it's "to make it easy for troops to carry" but an extra 30g isn't going to break anybody's back (plus the controller looks like it weighs a kilo...)
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Before the aspbergers show up with their negativity...
Congratulations, you just proved that you have ass burgers. No one else would so willfully shit both on people with mental illness and on people who disagree with their view that new ways to make sure that our guys can kill as many of their guys as possible are bad things.
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How hard would it have been to make some of them green? If I were in Afghanistan again, I'd want a Green Hornet.
If they're going to call it a Black Hornet why not make it black?
Well spoken and good call! You've nailed it.
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With my pedantic and droll style of writing I am immune to such things as zingers.
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Sure, the UAV "drone" only weighs 16 grams, but what about the weight of:
a) The protective box that carries it
b) The recharging/refueling mechanisim
c) The receiver
d) The display
What does it weigh in hand grenades? Ammo clips? etc.
Ken
How is it obvious the cost will come down a lot?
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Because it has all the specs and videos. I don't work there its just where i got my stuff from.
Rocket Surgeon.
You have to separate 'cost' and 'price':
The price will of course stay as high as possible (i.e. whatever the military is willing to pay), while manufacturing cost will come down now that they have made & debugged the design.
Terje
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"
How much C4 do you need one of these things to carry before it becomes a nice way to take out the target after it finds one?
A drone can carry small amounts of chemical or biological warfare agents. Sometimes a small amount is all it takes.
A drone can also light up a specific target using an IR laser. The real damage will be done by a guided missile.
Nothing even remotely similar exists on the ground; - roll, pitch, yaw. Watching fuel constantly (it is never a flight, in the sense of a free flight, it is always a jump which is to be thought over and planned). Let alone wind, rain, wires, trees, birds, etc.
It will take years to get comfortable with this technology. The brain, the whole nervous system must adjust to flying.
... My Syma IR copter is impossible to fly outdoors even on days I'd consider to be relatively calm. ...
I have a similar IR toy copter, and I'm surprised you've been able to successfully fly it outdoors at all. The package of mine specifically states that it's not intended for outdoor use, and flying it indoors into a bright stream of sunlight coming through the front window of my house demonstrated very clearly why: the sunlight apparently obliterates the IR signals. My copter promptly became uncontrollable when it went into the sunbeam. As long as I kept it out of that sunbeam, all was fine.
I imagine the extended battery life is one of the reasons for the standard copter design, instead of the quadcopter design. Size is almost certainly another factor; they want to minimize the space that these little drones take up in a rucksack, as much as possible.
More weight also affects battery usage and efficiency. I'd imagine this little non-toy copter is very carefully engineered to balance the weight against the battery life. You wouldn't bother to put such engineering weight behind something manufactured to be a toy... but I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if the tech in these drones eventually makes its way to the toy market as well.
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... is a mini-Hellfire missile to attach to it, and voila! The next generation of battlefield weaponry is born.
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At least Germany military experts doubt its efficiency in bad weather conditions (link is to a Google translated site as the original article is available in German only, sorry). I'd say their expertise weights more than the argument they're from Norway so they'll be alright.
Also, at 144k€ per unit this seems ridiculously expensive.
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Sorry the guy above me whose post is now gone had said $200. Now it seems rather obvious he meant $200k, but I thought it might have been designed as cheap and disposable...thus cheap. A lower cost version of this (I can't believe I'm about to say this) for the FBI, SWAT teams, certain PD precincts, etc would be incredible! Maybe they have some kind of cheap plastic airplane with a live-stream camera mounted that I just haven't heard about. It makes me sad that DHS has drones and a lot of public servants who actually do positive things don't. A tiny, cheap ($12-1300) as standard issue for swat team members, or at least team leaders (I don't know anything about ranking) could save a lot of lives. Even the perp's lives if it allows for a previously-impossible non-lethal takedown. Just saying.
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Lets not forget, its pretty easy to crash a heli in ideal conditions, so I can imagine them losing more than a few even in non-combat conditions. It also contains a GPS and probably high accuracy barometer which enables "loiter" style flight based on a set of GPS coordinates, probably also pre-planned way-point drone style missions too (it's debatable whether it can do this autonomously though, probably needs the smarts in the control deck) which is quite an advanced feature set for such a small heli and greatly improves its usefulness for FPV applications. Video review of it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSQwb4p09wE