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Xbox Originator: "Stupid, Stupid Xbox!!"

Freshly Exhumed writes "You can't begrudge Nat Brown for claiming some pride in the birth of Microsoft's game console: 'I was a founder of the original xBox project at Microsoft and gave it its name. Almost 14 years after the painful, pointless, and idiotic internal cage-match to get it started and funded, the hard selling of a compelling and lucrative living-room product to Bill (and then Steve as he began to take over), a product that consumers would want and love and demand, I am actually still thrilled to see how far it has come...' But in his recent ILIKE.CODE blog post he is driven to lament that '...as usual, Microsoft has jumped its own shark and is out stomping through the weeds planning and talking about far-flung future strategies in interactive television and original programming partnerships with big dying media companies when their core product, their home town is on fire, their soldiers, their developers, are tired and deserting, and their supply-lines are broken.' Nat goes on to detail a list of Microsoft's past and present strategic Xbox blunders, while tossing some barbs towards Nintendo's and Sony's game console strategies."

245 comments

  1. Primary Problem? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the interface. It sucks. I bought a machine to game on, not one to sell me other crap. Two years ago when they changed to pre metro I boxed up the x-box and games and gave it to my nephews.

    X-Box is doomed. Simply because it's not about gaming, but all about sales.

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    1. Re:Primary Problem? by maxdread · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet you can have it boot directly to whatever game is in the drive. Wouldn't impact your gaming at all.

    2. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the interface. It sucks. I bought a machine to game on, not one to sell me other crap. Two years ago when they changed to pre metro I boxed up the x-box and games and gave it to my nephews.

      X-Box is doomed. Simply because it's not about gaming, but all about sales.

      Bull-hockey. If that was the case, then nobody ever play games on mobile devices, which are arguably the most popular 'platforms' at the moment..

    3. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. That is why, even though the Xbox is very popular, there is no "halo effect" for other Microsoft products like Zune or Windows Phone.

      People merely put up with the thing because it plays Halo, they have no love for the device itself.

    4. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "X-Box is doomed?" I think you underestimate Microsoft's defense contracts. Hell, they managed to convince the US Army into a multimillion dollar pork-project adopting Windows 8, when most civilian consumers can't stand it.

      You almost had it right, it's about sales, yes. More importantly, it's about money, and Microsoft has plenty of money and senators in its back pocket to keep itself alive. Now if you want to look at what will really kill a console, take a look at Sony and their adoption of the Cinavia protection for all future Bluray players and the PS3, which effectively "watermarks" the audio in a movie so that even a ripped copy won't play. Sony SELLS MEDIA SERVER products! Products that are designed to make it easier to stream media from a PC to a console or a Bluray player. Half the reason the iPod took off was that it (admittedly even for me ;) ) provided a really easy way to bring your entire Napster catalog on the road with you... Sony was actually looking at obtaining a kind of market dominance for HD media and now they're not just shooting themselves in the foot, they're aiming a rocket launcher at their foot and firing it until they've created a massive crater where they used to be standing. And no, I'm not picking on the PS3, despite all of Sony's foibles it's still my favourite console, but Microsoft could easily push out Cinavia to the 360 in a future update...they'll almost certainly be Bluray compatible with their next console, and if Sony has their way that'll mean it'll include Cinavia too. At that point, for people who pirate their media at least (and there are a lot of them admittedly!), what's the point of buying a console that's sold as a "media hub" when it won't actually play anything they have? They'd do better to pick up a DVD player and skip Microsoft or Sony's new toy. I think if anything kills the next generation consoles it will be the anti-piracy measures... People will only accept so narrow of a walled garden before even the least computer inclined will realize that, hey, I don't have to put up with ANY of this crap on my PC, and that has a HDMI port too.

    5. Re:Primary Problem? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      What console hasn't been about sales? Pretty much all of the best selling ones were sold at either a loss or a very tiny profit margin so that they could make money off of selling the games. Effectively just a computer designed for content consumption.

      Now they're simply adding more content to consume. Makes sense for the consumer when you think about it - no need turn it off, turn on another device, and change inputs when you switch from playing a game to watching movies.

      The annoying thing about xbox though is that you have to have an xbox live subscription in order to consume other content. E.g. pay microsoft to watch netflix.

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    6. Re:Primary Problem? by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bull-hockey. If that was the case, then nobody ever play games on mobile devices, which are arguably the most popular 'platforms' at the moment.

      Are you claiming that a majority of your cellphone screen is advertising space like with the XBOX? If so, you may have malware. What's more, I seem able to run games etc on my tablet without a monthly subscription to "Android Gold".

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    7. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It sure is a good thing the 360 only plays disc based games, huh?

    8. Re:Primary Problem? by Gamer_2k4 · · Score: 1

      It's the interface. It sucks. I bought a machine to game on, not one to sell me other crap. Two years ago when they changed to pre metro I boxed up the x-box and games and gave it to my nephews.

      X-Box is doomed. Simply because it's not about gaming, but all about sales.

      How much of your XBox time did you spend in the menu, and how much did you spend in the games?

      I'm guessing the ratio is heavily, HEAVILY weighted toward the latter. Your argument is absolutely ridiculous.

    9. Re:Primary Problem? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      DUDE.

      Dude.

      You have to press A to play the game.

      Dude.

      I hate pressing A, man. It reminds me of those M$ A-HOLES AMIRITE!!!

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    10. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At that point, for people who pirate their media at least (and there are a lot of them admittedly!), what's the point of buying a console that's sold as a "media hub" when it won't actually play anything they have?

      Guess they'll have to start paying for things like normal human beings.

    11. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like, Team Fortress 2, Counter strike Source, and MORE SHIT IS COMING.

    12. Re:Primary Problem? by TriezGamer · · Score: 2

      You can access every game on your account from the guide, no need to fully drop to dashboard.

    13. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that, I only need TUX RACER. Enjoy your COD4 luzers!!

    14. Re:Primary Problem? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And how is "all about sales" any different than Sony or Nintendo's gaming platforms?

      It isn't. For that matter, how can gaming platforms like PCs with Steam be wildly popular and expanding into the platform market with the Steambox (while remaining wildly more popular than game platforms in general right now, I might add) exist when they are, essentially, JUST game sales and delivery systems?

      Sorry, the Xbox is floundering for the same reason that things like capable entry level Android tablets come to market at $100 and smartphones sell for $500+ and people barely even blink at the price. The truth is that platform gaming is dying, even with the novelty of things like Kinect. People don't really want to game on their TVs anymore, they want something personal. The TV has become peripheral to home/personal entertainment, not central, and when people can get 90% of the same thing with any given game console, or 70% of what those consoles offer and a little bit more with a modern set-top box, it makes very little financial sense to continue with the "sell the console at a loss" model that Microsoft popularized, never mind anything between that and the Nintendo approach. (Look at sales models - hardly any console did well this past Christmas.)

      The entire commercial idea of console gaming needs to be rethought and revitalized or it's simply not going to make a hill of beans how innovative they are.

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    15. Re:Primary Problem? by Seumas · · Score: 2

      I hope I'm proven wrong, but I suspect that this entire coming generation of consoles is going to be about catering to soccer-moms and your elderly dad rather than improving your gaming experience and providing more power. Based on hinting over the last three years, I'm concerned that the view from the console manufacturers is that these are now home media and social devices that just happen to play games.

    16. Re:Primary Problem? by Seumas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most mobile gaming is the same shitty game created 500 times with different titles, filled with stupid time-gates to encourage you to spend money on the bullshit "coin duplicators" and other crap that they are constantly peddling to you. Mobile games are, for the most part, of the same quality and mindset as Facebook games. Nothing more.

    17. Re:Primary Problem? by Seumas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The new generation of consoles may end up being doomed *for gaming*. That isn't for certain, but it's possible. They've found a better market to sell the devices to (less than half of time spent on the 360 is spent playing video games). Gaming consoles used to be marketed toward gamers. Now they'll be catering and marketing to people who just want to watch Hulu and download the latest "music" video from the retarded flavor of the month.

      As someone who enjoys gaming, across the board, I'd be disappointed in that. As someone who prefers PC gaming, I welcome it. Ditch your gaming fans and watch them flock to the PC.

    18. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So it's needlessly load a disc and go from there to an XBLA title, or navigate a crappy UI? Sounds reasonable to me.

    19. Re:Primary Problem? by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

      I seem able to run games etc on my tablet without a monthly subscription to "Android Gold".

      Same applies to XBox - Live Gold is only required for certain apps (mainly Netflix et al) and online gaming.

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    20. Re:Primary Problem? by thereitis · · Score: 2
      The XBox 360 interface isn't any worse than PS3 or Wii, but yes it does need work. Certainly, I'd expect more from a company whose core business is user interfaces. The UI is also too sluggish.

      While I like the Kinect, those games should offer the ability to move through menus with the controller as well as with hand gestures. What takes me 20 or 30 seconds to do with hand gestures could be done in 5 seconds with a controller. This isn't rocket science - I'm not sure why nobody's made that happen or that it's not part of the XBox UI guidelines.

      I can't say anything good about the durability of the XBox 360. My old XBox original is still alive and kicking, yet I'm on my 3rd XBox 360. My Wii and PS3 are still running fine, too.

      The XBox 360 is still my favourite console, but I hope some/all of these issues are addressed in the next generation console.

    21. Re:Primary Problem? by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Have you seen the proposed specs on the PS4 and next Xbox? They seem pretty powerful to just be targeting "soccer moms".

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    22. Re:Primary Problem? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Now that's the M$ way to win back customers, call them liars, insult them and blame them for all the problems. M$ did it to xbox red ring of death customers for months on end. Don't like the interface on the device you bought then you are an arse hole, ha, ha, ha. Every time they had real competition and customers complained about something or wanted changes or really hated something, well screw the whiny arse holes, it's like they 'er' paid for it and had some expectations as 'er' customers and treating them like shit post purchase and then wander why they not only don't want to buy your products any more but run around telling everyone that'll listen why you products suck.

      Do you really know that ex-customers have been so offended by M$'s past behaviour they have gone onto to hate M$ and their products for 'Decades' and you just can't seem to stop yourselves from doing the same thing to the next generation. You really want to know why Zune and windows phone crapped out, well apparently microsofties haven't learnt their lesson yet.

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    23. Re:Primary Problem? by xhrit · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the proposed specs on the PS4 and next Xbox?

      Yes, I have. Both systems are built using mid range off-the-shelf PC components. The systems are not targeting hardcore gamers, but rather casuals and soccer moms.

    24. Re:Primary Problem? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Live Gold is required for doing almost ANYTHING on the xbox. It's the number one reason I don't buy xbox games anymore.

      Right now, everything is so tightly coupled with Live Gold that not using gold results in a very aggravating experience. Your statement 'mainly Netflix et al' vastly understates that almost any feature that is not a single player game or dvd requires a Live Gold account. Youtube, HBOgo, Netflix, Pandora...

      The way you learn about gold is annoying as well. I'll be looking around the marketplace, find a service that I ALREADY PAY FOR, install it, and then later be told that 'Oh, this feature won't work without gold'

      That doesn't even get into the fact that there are many games where you basically gut the game if you remove multiplayer. As a result the entire experience is one of disappointment as I'm continually faced with 'Oh, I guess that would be nice, or gee I wish I could play this with my friend'.

      I'm not going to reward a company for rent-seeking to provide me services that 1. I already pay for, 2. I'm paying for the internet to transport the data.

      The Live Gold 'feature' is the number one reason I regret purchasing an Xbox and only use it to play single player games I pickup at the flea market.

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    25. Re:Primary Problem? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the thing I hate, in any modern game on any platform, is 'press start'. Why the fuck do games still have video arcade-style attract screens?

      Off the top of my head, Prototype 2 did it right; it loads your most recent save and starts playing it in the background under the menu. When you click 'continue,' the menu simply goes away and there you are.

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    26. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replace "gold" with "silver" and stop crying. No need to purposely be a fucking moron for the purpose of the argument.

    27. Re:Primary Problem? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Ditch your gaming fans and watch them flock to the PC.

      The PC doesn't fill the role of "a box with multiple controllers that you can bring out when friends are over" the way a console does.

    28. Re:Primary Problem? by tepples · · Score: 1

      People don't really want to game on their TVs anymore, they want something personal.

      Then what should people game on when they have friends visiting? Or would you recommend that they switch to non-electronic tabletop gaming? Or would you recommend that they should bring their own phone or tablet, and if they don't own one, it's too old, it's the wrong platform, or they don't own their own copy of a given game, tough dung?

    29. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's something like $5 a month for Live Gold. That's the cost of a red cup at a kegger.

    30. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The primary problem is that every time they build something good and grow a community around it, they kill it off.

    31. Re:Primary Problem? by organgtool · · Score: 1

      Until their next update resets that option, forcing you to stumble through the dashboard du jour to figure out where to set the option to load the game upon disc insertion.

    32. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us have lives and don't give a shit. Fag.

      Only a fag would use a $ to spell Microsoft or MS.

    33. Re:Primary Problem? by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the proposed specs on the PS4 and next Xbox? They seem pretty powerful to just be targeting "soccer moms".

      Have you seen a soccer mom?..

    34. Re:Primary Problem? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The XBox 360 interface isn't any worse than PS3 or Wii, but yes it does need work. Certainly, I'd expect more from a company whose core business is user interfaces. The UI is also too sluggish.

      Where did you get this idea? MS rose on the ability to sell to OEMs OS and Office Productivity software. I don't know if you've been paying attention but UI design from MS has generally been very lacking. Take the ribbon which many users loathe. Metro is another example. Many people agree it's fine for touch interfaces but horrible for desktop.

      While I like the Kinect, those games should offer the ability to move through menus with the controller as well as with hand gestures. What takes me 20 or 30 seconds to do with hand gestures could be done in 5 seconds with a controller. This isn't rocket science - I'm not sure why nobody's made that happen or that it's not part of the XBox UI guidelines.

      Again UI isn't exactly their strong point. For example in WindowsMobile one guideline was that no clickable element should be smaller than 4mm square. That is absurdly too small to touch even with a stylus. In WP7, many people have complained the the typography is too thin and sometimes too large (it cuts parts of words). But these decisions were part of the design from MS and not 3rd party software.

      I can't say anything good about the durability of the XBox 360. My old XBox original is still alive and kicking, yet I'm on my 3rd XBox 360. My Wii and PS3 are still running fine, too.

      What most people don't realize is that all MS did with Xbox is buy marketshare using their cash reserves. The product makes some profit some quarters but financially has not broken even. If Xbox were a separate company, it would have had to declare bankruptcy by now. With the new Xbox coming out, it does not look likely that the product will be profitable unless the 720 sells a hundred million consoles with a high margin.

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    35. Re:Primary Problem? by thereitis · · Score: 1

      Fair points - the usability experience from Microsoft hasn't been great in many areas. A lot of people do like Windows 7's UI. On the other hand, the Office Ribbon is a horrible abomination. Perhaps they are more of a Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde in the UI department. :) I will rephrase my original statement: with the amount of experience Microsoft has designing user interfaces, I would expect better from them.

    36. Re:Primary Problem? by Applekid · · Score: 1

      It sure is a good thing the 360 only plays disc based games, huh?

      If he's giving his games to his nephews, it's safe to say he only has disc based games.

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    37. Re:Primary Problem? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      In their exposé, Vanity Fair has shown that the fiefdoms of MS are always at odds with each other due to the stacked ranking system. That means that a good coder may not be on the same project as a good UI designer if they were to be ranked against each other even if their jobs were very different. The lack of coherence is also unlike Apple where Jobs himself was involved with the design decisions. Whether people agree with his choices, it was a more consistent design as it was overseen by one person. I doubt Ballmer ever gets involved with details like WP7 typography or the flatness of elements in Win 8.

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    38. Re:Primary Problem? by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      But they play causal games on mobile and not fully immersive games ala Halo or ME3 and at least the new interface isn't the POS that was the original blade one - a couple of years ago I interviewed at the agency that was responsible for that monstrosity. It was the single most incompetent interview I have ever had (worthy of a submission to the daily WTF) the guy interviewing me had zero idea about the digital marketing space (I suspect he might have had difficulty switching his pc on) and was wearing a ratty T shirt that I would not wear to do the gardening in!

    39. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point if every time i turn it on for a quick hour of gaming and have to wait for 2 hours worth of updates just to use "single-player" game?

    40. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suck it up, Princess. Buy the cheap service.

    41. Re:Primary Problem? by nwf · · Score: 1

      The Live Gold 'feature' is the number one reason I regret purchasing an Xbox and only use it to play single player games I pickup at the flea market.

      And this is THE reason I refuse to buy an XBox. I have a PS3 and a Wii, but I don't need any more monthly expenses. Netflix is great on my PS3 with 1080P and a great interface.

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    42. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well of course it's all about sales, the difference is in the approach. The latest incarnations of the 360 dash look like an adware-infected PC. More space and attention is given to ads than to the system functions. You have to scroll through a bunch of advertising crap just to get to the menu that lets you change your console settings. When you compare this to the XMB it's like night and day.

      You also fail to understand that the console games business and mobile games business are two separate markets. There will always be a demand for AAA console games - mobile is big and getting bigger because the casual gamers are defecting for reasons unrelated to gameplay experience. These are the people who make Wiis, Kinects, and $20 shovelware a thing. They are completely unrelated to the people who support AAA game development. The core consoles are safe, it's Nintendo who should be worried here with their current strategy.

    43. Re:Primary Problem? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You want to deny Microsoft of their sacred right to get more money out of paying customers? What are you, some kind of commie?

    44. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's safe to say he primarily has disc based games. But there's so many people who talk as if they're the only thing to play. So I find it necessary to remind people setting discs to auto-boot isn't always the best solution.

      Though it would be nice to think they were just offering helpful advice in case the OP wasn't aware of the auto-boot option.

    45. Re:Primary Problem? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Replace it with multiple controllers in a box that you bring out when friends are over.

    46. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else am I supposed to differentiate between Microsoft and Mississippi if I don't use the dollar sign?

    47. Re:Primary Problem? by Sparton · · Score: 1

      Actually, the thing I hate, in any modern game on any platform, is 'press start'. Why the fuck do games still have video arcade-style attract screens?

      Off the top of my head, Prototype 2 did it right; it loads your most recent save and starts playing it in the background under the menu. When you click 'continue,' the menu simply goes away and there you are.

      To my knowledge, it's because it's a standard mandated by one (or more) console holders. Since publishers don't like paying for platform-specific stuff they don't need to, the convention holds... and in all honesty, I think the main three all have some kind of guideline along those lines anyways.

      There is some seriously inane shit platform holders will call you on to certify the game will be allowed to run on their device.

    48. Re:Primary Problem? by maxdread · · Score: 2

      If trying to find it truly kicks your ass, electronics might not be your thing.

      That's okay though, they still make board games.

    49. Re:Primary Problem? by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      And how is "all about sales" any different than Sony or Nintendo's gaming platforms?

      That's irrelevant. Each owner is justified in complaining about spam-related features added to their gaming experience, regardless of what does or doesn't appear elsewhere.

      Unfortunately, yes, that sort of thing is popping up across the board, but just because more manufacturers are doing it doesn't mean it's not complaint-worthy.

    50. Re:Primary Problem? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Heck, Infamous (1 or 2, don't remember which) doesn't even show a start menu, it just loads directly into game and starts you in a safe location in case you're getting something from the kitchen while it loads.

      Now Assassin's Creed on the other hand... Sweet Jesus it took me 10 minutes just to figure out how to quit the PC version the first time.

    51. Re:Primary Problem? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Well, since they only have to drive 1080p at 60Hz with most of the shaders turned off, they don't need near as much processing power as hardcore gamers running dual 1920's at 120Hz with all the options turned up to 11 with their music player, teamspeak and a web browser with item maps and strategy guides all going in the background.

      Consoles never have been and probably never will be as powerful as a serious gaming rig.

    52. Re:Primary Problem? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Haha, I just pictured Microsoft putting out an X-Box update that changes the UI to a metro grid and a million geeks screaming out in agony.

    53. Re:Primary Problem? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Well, since they only have to drive 1080p at 60Hz with most of the shaders turned off, they don't need near as much processing power as hardcore gamers running dual 1920's at 120Hz with all the options turned up to 11 with their music player, teamspeak and a web browser with item maps and strategy guides all going in the background.

      Forget the dual 1920's, the rumoured specs on the next Xbox/PS are less capable than my Phenom II 955 with a Geforce 660 (both stock). I happily run 1 1920x1200 @ 120 Hz with FSAA turned up to max.

      Consoles never have been and probably never will be as powerful as a serious gaming rig.

      Consoles have never been as powerful as an average gaming rig (when the PS3 came out in 2007, it used a video card available for PC's for over 8 months). This is why serious gamers game on the PC.

      Consoles are casual. This is what they excel at, this is why Nintendo released last and ate everyone's lunch. The Wii is simple, casual fun. Something I can play with my non-gamer friends. Sony/MS are still suffering from the losses they had to make to sell overpowered consoles in this generation, creating a loss leading next generation console may sink one of them.

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    54. Re:Primary Problem? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      And yet you can have it boot directly to whatever game is in the drive. Wouldn't impact your gaming at all.

      Possibly dumb question, but can I do that on the PS3 too? 99.9999% of the time I turn it on, I want to play the disc in the machine.. so why do I have to go through the extra step of choosing the game from their launcher/prefs/etc thing?
      (If I had to go back to that to SWITCH games, I'm fine with that..)

    55. Re:Primary Problem? by tepples · · Score: 1

      This assumes that your PC monitor is big enough for four people to fit around. That's possible if the monitor is a TV, but buying a second PC for the living room TV is untraditional and rarely done. Because of this, few major video game publishers have published PC games that anticipate this use case.

    56. Re:Primary Problem? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Yup. I'm currently replaying through Valkyria Chronicles for PS3.

      Press start to skip opening video. Press start to bring up menu. Press X to select 'continue'. Press X to acknowledge not to turn off during autosave. Press X to select my save game. Press X to acknowledge that my game has loaded.

      Fucksake, just load me into my most recent game. If no save, start a new game. If I want to view options, extras, DLC, credits, etc, I can bloody well bring up the ingame menu and look at them.

      Seems trivial and stupid, but must HCI things are.

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    57. Re:Primary Problem? by sjames · · Score: 1

      These days, TVs have VGA inputs and video cards have HDMI outputs. Somewhere in that mix is your answer.

      Meanwhile, replacing dedicated 'media centers' with a PC is becoming more common.

    58. Re:Primary Problem? by maxdread · · Score: 1

      I can't be sure since I don't own a PS3 and it's a bit hard to track down info online since it seems Sony has messed with the way auto start works.

      There are some relevant settings under Settings/System Settings/ Disc Auto Start

      BUT

      There's conflicting info on if this will boot to disc upon turning the console on or just when a disc is inserted and the PS3 is already on. Some also mentioned that it doesn't work if there is more than one gamer profile on the PS3.

    59. Re:Primary Problem? by Dextrously · · Score: 1

      There's no reason that it can't though. I'm sure there are some indie games out there that cater to a crowd like that. USB controllers aren't expensive, and a laptop or mini computer (typically costing less than a gaming console, I see one right now for $250 with better specs than the current gen of consoles). You could tote that around to a friends house with remotes, load up some emulation software for old games or load in your shiny new game with multiplayer support through the HDMI out.

      Not saying that it is the same, but I have been doing this with a laptop since near 2004. Having a wide selection of roms to choose from is nice too. As a bonus, you can upgrade or repair the mini PC as needed, to an extent of course. You're still limited by what's available in that form factor.

      The option is there though, costs roughly the same as a console, with the addition that it is slightly more complex (and rewarding) when pulled off correctly.

    60. Re:Primary Problem? by tepples · · Score: 1

      These days, TVs have VGA inputs and video cards have HDMI outputs.

      I am aware that a PC's VGA, DVI, or HDMI output can be used with a TV's VGA or HDMI input.

      Somewhere in that mix is your answer.

      How so? The fact that a PC can output to a TV is no help if the head of household is unwilling to build or buy an additional PC just for the living room. Nor is it helpful if there aren't enough professionally made games designed to take advantage of the tendency of PCs that have been connected to a TV's VGA or HDMI input to have more controllers connected to them.

      Meanwhile, replacing dedicated 'media centers' with a PC is becoming more common.

      I'd like to see evidence that you're right and FunkSoulBrother's estimation is outdated, because several Slashdot regulars have repeatedly explained that this is not the case. "Most non-geek people simply have no desire to hook up their computer to their TV" and "Nobody wants to attach their PC to their TV".

    61. Re:Primary Problem? by tepples · · Score: 1

      The PC doesn't fill the role of [local multiplayer gaming box]

      There's no reason that it can't though.

      I agree with you that there's no technical reason that it can't, but tradition is still a reason. So is the cost of buying a second PC to put next to the TV, and the time and trouble to make sure the operating system and antivirus on the PC that is kept next to the TV are updated. Other users agree: "I'm not putting together a living room PC rig just for one game"; "No PC in my living room, thanks"; "I don't want to hook a computer up to my TV".

      shiny new game with multiplayer support

      These tend not to be ported to the PC at all (such as any fighting game other than Street Fighter IV), or when they are ported to the PC, the local multiplayer part is cut out in favor of an emphasis on online multiplayer.

      Having a wide selection of roms to choose from is nice too.

      But where will customers (legally) get these ROMs? If I recommend copyright infringement to other people, I incur secondary liability (MGM v. Grokster).

      The option is there though, costs roughly the same as a console, with the addition that it is slightly more complex

      Geeks like you, me, and the rest of the Slashdot population don't power the economies of scale in the video game market; the median user does. And the median user will stop at "slightly more complex". The kind of people who play video games socially (the real life sense, not the Facebook sense) tend to be the kind of people who want things to be push-button easy.

    62. Re:Primary Problem? by Dextrously · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I understand exactly what you're saying, and tradition can certainly be a reason. It's not one that I personally follow, but I accept that it is valid. I always thought the point of playing games like that with others was the bonding experience and which game you play, and on what system you play it, was kind of a secondary factor. I know I played a ton of ridiculous games with my friends.

      Also, I really don't understand the "I don't want to hook a computer up to my TV" mentality though. Consoles are just niche PCs after all -- to each their own though. It's really none of my business, but the options are out there, even if they aren't ideal. It's not like I'm planning to lead a revolution in the gaming market, so I really only tend to focus on personal solutions.

    63. Re:Primary Problem? by sjames · · Score: 1

      And if the head of household is unwilling to buy an Xbox, there's no gaming at all, so what's your point? If you can point to anywhere where I claimed this was a free of cost solution, I'll accept that you're not arguing just for the sake of arguing.

    64. Re:Primary Problem? by Dextrously · · Score: 1

      I should clarify also -- the mentality I am approaching this with is:
      If I have a solution that works for me, I'll share it with others. If that solutions helps others, cool. If not, I shrug and move on.

    65. Re:Primary Problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the thing I hate, in any modern game on any platform, is 'press start'. Why the fuck do games still have video arcade-style attract screens?

      Off the top of my head, Prototype 2 did it right; it loads your most recent save and starts playing it in the background under the menu. When you click 'continue,' the menu simply goes away and there you are.

      And I always hated bumping my controller and being in the middle of my game unintentionally. 'Press start' is just a backwards way of saying 'are you sure?'

  2. If he has any influence at all... by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 2

    He'll try to convince them to can this stupid idea of linking all game purchases with a single xbox live account, and getting rid of the stupid "always-on" DRM requirement.

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    1. Re:If he has any influence at all... by natbro · · Score: 1

      i agree with you that linking all purchases to one account and the rumored "always-on" DRM are bad/strange ideas. if i had any influence i would push against these. i don't, though, they probably don't pay much attention to my armchair quarterbacking blog posts, any more than they used to pay attention to my more direct emails.

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  3. Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by DeathFromSomewhere · · Score: 0

    Daily Microsoft bitch-fest in 5...4...3...2...1... GO!

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    1. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't read who he is and why his thoughts on the matter are valuable? Sigh, the /. headline it was TL;DR right?

    2. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by DeathFromSomewhere · · Score: 4, Funny

      You must be new here. We have a Microsoft bitch-fest everyday even if they don't make anything newsworthy. It's either a Windows 8 post, or some rumour about DRM on the xbox, or Stallman saying something dumb, or something about UEFI, and if all those fail then we find some random guy that quit a decade ago and writes a butthurt blog post.

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    3. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greetings DeathFromSomewherebot, I am edbot and I am also programmed to traduce all Slashdot threads that may even slightly reflect poorly on Microsoft. Good hunting!

    4. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Informative

      The ones about UEFI annoy me the most. Too many people, even on slashdot of all places, think UEFI is just a graphical addon to BIOS that also adds DRM. It's nothing of the sort, most existing UEFI systems on OEM computers have a text based configuration tool and don't even secure boot. (Windows 8 mandates the change of the later of course.) Further, BIOS also had DRM capability.

      UEFI is a complete replacement of BIOS. BIOS had a ton of restrictions related to all sorts of things, e.g. partition count and size on the bootable hard disk, BIOS requires POST (which in modern systems needlessly adds to the boot time) as well as a ton of reserved and now useless for decades interrupts. These new things that you find with UEFI (e.g. graphical configuration tool) are simply new features that UEFI allows for, but aren't required.

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    5. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this isn't ./ people bitching, its about internal 'softies bitching (he led the development of the product, you can't call him an outsider). The /. folk haven't even started to bash mickeysoft (yet). *YOU* must be new here.

    6. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by epyT-R · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yeah, the more they overdo the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..

      seriously, the bootloader on modern hardware doesn't need all that bullshit.. it just needs to load a binary image and execute it. If a more advanced bootloader is needed, just use the bios loader to chainload in place of the OS kernel. The rest of UEFI is fluff. Your other complaints about outdated POST are easily remedied without making the whole stack suck.

    7. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      UEFI is a complete replacement of BIOS

      Open Firmware replaces BIOS and avoids legacy cruft, and doesn't seek to prevent people doing what they want with their computer. Ironically, it's been used extensively by Apple.

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    8. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      most existing UEFI systems on OEM computers have a text based configuration tool and don't even secure boot. (Windows 8 mandates the change of the later of course.)

      I'll have to check, but I'm fairly sure my home PC doesn't have secure boot, yet it does have Win8 on it.

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    9. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who was working with servers with UEFI five years ago, I remember thinking "This is a neat idea, Intel have finally caught up with the likes of OpenBoot". Then I've spent the past few years watching OEMs implement UEFI in a such mind-boggling manner that at this point I'm not even sure that they know what UEFI is.

    10. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "Open Firmware replaces BIOS and avoids legacy cruft, and doesn't seek to prevent people doing what they want with their computer."

      Neither does UEFI.

      If you want people to take you seriously, stop suggesting ignorant things.

    11. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by dfghjk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "seriously, the bootloader on modern hardware doesn't need all that bullshit..."

      Just what is "all that bullshit"? People that make these comments have no idea.

      "The rest of UEFI is fluff. "

      Point out some of this "fluff" specifically.

    12. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      Specifics please? Graphical UIs in setup have nothing to do with UEFI. What are these "mind-boggling" UEFI implementations?

      You tribalists are pathetic.

    13. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need TWRP for Desktop.....seriously....wouldn't that be a good thing?

    14. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by ctr2sprt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      seriously, the bootloader on modern hardware doesn't need all that bullshit.

      Yes, it does need "all that bullshit." Booting from anything except an on-board hard disk controller on a PC BIOS is a hackjob. It's just an absolutely horrible clusterfuck. The fact that it ever works at all is a testament to the hard work put in over the past 20+ years by all the bootable expansion card makers.

      I'm not trying to be a dick, but your comment really makes me think that you've never used anything except a desktop PC. In the server world, you always boot from an expansion card -- note that onboard NICs count as expansion cards in this context, because the BIOS can't boot from them directly; it has to pass control to the NIC's BIOS, which handles PXE -- at least once in the server's life to kickstart it. And there are a good number of situations where you never boot from a local hard disk. That's not just PXE. It also includes iSCSI and FC HBAs, ROMs or flash devices, RAID controllers, and probably a raft of things that I've simply never encountered.

      I think that OpenBoot would've been a better choice than UEFI, personally. But I don't think any knowledgeable person can dispute the need for something better than the 1980s-era PC BIOS.

    15. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      most existing UEFI systems on OEM computers have a text based configuration tool and don't even secure boot. (Windows 8 mandates the change of the later of course.)

      I'll have to check, but I'm fairly sure my home PC doesn't have secure boot, yet it does have Win8 on it.

      It's probably legacy booting WIndows 8.

      And truth be told, any modern PC capable of running Windows 8 has probably already shipped with UEFI in it. Yes, UEFI. Intel has not provided an old style BIOS with any chips since at least he Core 2 Duo era (they provided both at first, then phased out the BIOS since UEFI BIOS emulation legacy boot worked well enough). Ditto for the BIOS vendors. The BIOS setup program is typically just a UEFI configuration program nowadays, and it just jumps straight into the old legacy BIOS boot chain.

      And yes, BIOS is a nasty hack nowadays. Just look at the contortions GRUB goes through in order to work - the various stage loaders that each chain load one another because the BIOS is too stupid to do it at once. On (U)EFI, it's just a 32-bit binary sitting on a FAT32 partition that the firmware loads directly and runs.

    16. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open Firmware hasn't been used by Apple since they fully made the switch to Intel processors in 2006. The change to Intel came as a package deal. Intel CPU, Intel EFI on the motherboard.

      Note that EFI and UEFI are not exactly the same. UEFI is the newer "universal" version. EFI lacks a great many DRM-supporting features that UEFI has baked in. This leads to the obvious conclusion that UEFI is all about the DRM, or they would have just left it alone as EFI.

    17. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Graphical UIs in setup have nothing to do with UEFI.

      When, precisely, did I ever say that they did?

      What are these "mind-boggling" UEFI implementations?

      The most obvious are the ones where they somehow merge both a BIOS and UEFI into one, then somehow still get the BIOS involved even when you're booting a UEFI compliant OS.

      The clusterfuck that has surrounded the implementation of SecureBoot.

      Samsungs recent woes are pretty amazing, too.

      You tribalists are pathetic.

      Pointing out that most UEFI implementations are pretty poor is "tribalist" now? You've formed a one-man UEFI defence league and you're calling me the fanboy?

    18. Re:Daily Microsoft bitch-fest by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Actually BIOS compatibility is just another module that is loaded into UEFI. I don't recall the name of it, but it just emulates enough bios functions to get legacy hardware and software running. On proper UEFI implementations, you can disable it entirely so long as all of your hardware is fully UEFI aware and your OS supports UEFI boot. (My radeon 7850 isn't uefi aware, so I can't disable it on mine.)

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  4. Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't think i would ever say this...but have to admit Bill gates leaving MS was NOT the best thing to happen to MS. Srsly though ballmer is just pushing the MS car down the cliff.

    1. Re:Bill needed by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone else long ago noticed how MS flatlined when Bill left, besides the fact that he was obviously a visionary and genius (and not half bad at business either). You may disagree with a ton of things he did, and rightly so on many of them, but you can't look at Microsoft's massive rise and Bill's obvious driving of said rise and go "Yeah, Bill leaving MS was the best thing that happened to them". It's patently ridiculous.

    2. Re:Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They need a new chair man.

    3. Re:Bill needed by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ballmer is doing a bull run full ahead and don't care a bit about what the customers think. Not only the Xbox live account requirement is evidence of that but also the fact that the Windows 8 UI is something that's best useful for three year old kids and not useful for the advanced users.

      I suspect that Microsoft has had it's peak and now they are into the process and business model that we saw that many big computer corporations were following during the 70's and 80's where you locked the systems through obscurity. Next step would be a CPU class based licensing of Windows.

      The reason why M$ did grow big was that there was not much heavy copy-protection and license key mess in the beginning. People copied the OS from work to run at home as well and so on. It may have been a lost sale, but not many home users would have purchased the full license anyway.

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    4. Re:Bill needed by rochrist · · Score: 2

      I just got a new laptop with windows 8, and I'm just flat out stunned at how awful the interface is. I didn't have it an hour before I bought Start 8. and even with that running, the interface STILL makes me want to stab myself in the eyeballs.

    5. Re:Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, do you remember what MS under Bill was like? Launch XP was dreadful. WindowsME. WinCE.

      Xbox 360 is a huge success for Microsoft, no matter what the haters say. See this just today:

      http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-12-xbox-360-worldwide-sales-top-76-million

    6. Re:Bill needed by Captain+Hook · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Did MS flatline because Bill left, or was it always going to flatline around then because it MS had reached that point where it couldn't go after new markets without canniblising it's core income streams and competitors were lined up to take advantage of that.

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    7. Re:Bill needed by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Next step would be a CPU class based licensing of Windows.

      Not to the degree that the old-school enterprise players (IBM and Oracle, say) do it; but Windows licensing has already been spec based for quite some time now. As far back as NT 4.0, there was 'server' and 'enterprise server'(if you wanted 3GB of RAM per-process and an 8 CPU SMP license).

      2000 brought 'server', 'advanced server', and 'datacenter server' (4CPU), (8CPU, 8GB RAM w/PAE), and (32CPU, 32GB RAM w/PAE) respectively.

    8. Re:Bill needed by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

      They need a new chair man.

      Nah, they just need to stop Ballmer throwing it.

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    9. Re:Bill needed by paiute · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everyone else long ago noticed how MS flatlined when Bill left, besides the fact that he was obviously a visionary and genius (and not half bad at business either). You may disagree with a ton of things he did, and rightly so on many of them, but you can't look at Microsoft's massive rise and Bill's obvious driving of said rise and go "Yeah, Bill leaving MS was the best thing that happened to them". It's patently ridiculous.

      Son, all I remember about your visionary genius is when I saw his book - which was published in 1995 - in Barnes and Noble with a big red sticker on the front which read: Now Revised To Include The Internet.

      So much for the vision thing.

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    10. Re:Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cos Ballmer broke the old one dude

    11. Re:Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, it was when Bill left. A quick look at the history of Balmer shows that he is very big on slaying dragons but not very big on plundering their hoards. Even worse, he prefers to attack without a technological advantage, instead preferring to rely on the massive cash of MS. He took on Google with Bing, the Playstation with XBox, the iPod with Zune, the iPhone and Android with Windows Phone, the iPad with Surface RT, Java with .NET, and Flash with Silverlight. How many of these were big successes?

      Compare this to Jobs, who took failed and under-realized ideas (portable music player, tablets, digital music, etc.) and made them work well. Even their PCs and laptops are based on the system model that MS largely destroyed decades earlier in the home market, relegating it to scientific, business, and other specialized applications.

      The contrast is like night and day: one struck while the competitors were weak and executed well to carry the day; the other struck while the competitors were strong and executed mediocrily, at best, using massive cash to carry the day.

    12. Re:Bill needed by SerpentMage · · Score: 4, Interesting

      it gets worse...

      With ballmer under control they took winning ideas and killed them. For example, .NET and C# did become very successful. What did they do? They killed it in the "new" paradigm called Windows 8.

      they had one of the most successful third party dev program and they killed it. Compare the price of MSDN universal when Gates was under control, and when Ballmer was under control. It is not funny! I did a price comparison of Linux, OSX, and Windows as a development environment for a small business or consultant. In this price comparison I included the price of hardware since you do need computers to run things.

      Guess which was the cheapest... Drum roll Linux. Guess which was the most expensive? Drum roll Windows, and by quite a bit! OSX was only a bit more expensive than Linux. Windows was just downright expensive when you add things like Office, Windows Server, MSDN development (not talking the universal package, just the 1200 USD package).

      What shocked me is that OSX is not that much more expensive than Linux. For hardware does cost quite a bit if you do an apples to apples comparison (excuse the pun). Granted that Apple is still more expensive for the same hardware, but it is not as much as I thought it was.

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    13. Re:Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, fuck, I remember that book; somebody bought it for me way back when. "The Road Ahead", right? If I remember right, he spent like half the book talking about his mansion (the guest house for which was larger than any home I'll ever live in).

    14. Re:Bill needed by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Did MS flatline because Bill left, or was it always going to flatline around then because it MS had reached that point where it couldn't go after new markets without canniblising it's core income streams and competitors were lined up to take advantage of that.

      Wait... BINGO! I've got BINGO!

    15. Re:Bill needed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The main problem with Apple pricing on hardware is timing related. When they launch a new model of iMac or MacBook, it is usually competitive and just a bit more expensive than a Dell. Over time, it becomes less competitive as Apple does not adjust prices as often as Dell. Their Mac Pro line unfortunately has not been updated in any meaningful way in a long time.

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    16. Re:Bill needed by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Next step would be a CPU class based licensing of Windows.

      Windows did do that actually.

      If you installed Windwos XP Home, it will run on a dual core, but NOT dual socket machine. Dual socket means you need XP pro.

      And for a time, NT was sold as a 1-2 CPU pack and 3+ CPU pack. And to keep it up, the old DOS line Windows only supported 1 CPU - you were encouraged to move to NT if you had a dual proc machine.

    17. Re:Bill needed by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      When they launch a new model of iMac or MacBook, it is usually competitive and just a bit more expensive than a Dell.

      That's a really good point, they just don't refresh as often.

      I don't know what happened with the MacPro languishing, but at least they are on the cusp of a new model there from recent reports. But for development it has not mattered as much since any of the other updated macs are powerful enough to do good development on (even the Mac mini).

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    18. Re:Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .Net became successful, but was never without its detractors. Most of those detractors are the old-school bare-metal programmers that work with Windows. They don't like managed code, and they never will because, dammit, get off their lawn. There's a even subset of these guys that aren't even good programmers, and continue to argue for the restoration of VB6-style unmanaged-yet-untrustable derp-code.

      Imagine the flamewar that would erupt if the core Linux developers suddenly relegated all of the libc programmers to the back seat for a decade while they focused heavily on integrating Java into the core of the OS. (Yes, I know it wouldn't really work quite that way, but just run with it.)

      Now imagine the flamewar that would erupt if those same core developers, after building up Java as a first-tier language for a decade, decided to go back on that decision and declare that libc was the one-true-way and Java might be dropped entirely.

      Now imagine that they don't just "declare" this, but they hint around at it for years on end, then do a half-assed job all around. Half-assed support for libc, half-assed support for Java, half-assedly killing libc, half-assedly killing Java, half-assedly bringing back libc... That's the situation in Microsoft's developer world right now.

      Cost is not the issue. If you're a professional developer working for a living, cost is just something you deal with. It's the uncertainty of having support. This used to be the big hold-up in the Linux world. Microsoft is slowly embracing and extending it. I think the "extinguish" step might have reversed roles, however.

    19. Re:Bill needed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Old school programmers were not the only problem for .NET. Remember it only really works on Windows. But no company is going to abandon their legacy Unix or Linux servers just for a programming language. And they are not going to rely on the unsupported platform that is Mono. And Mono was incomplete. These days with VMs, it's easier to run Windows and Linux on the same server but the opportunity for .NET has passed.

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    20. Re:Bill needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next step would be a CPU class based licensing of Windows.

      Not to the degree that the old-school enterprise players (IBM and Oracle, say) do it; but Windows licensing has already been spec based for quite some time now. As far back as NT 4.0, there was 'server' and 'enterprise server'(if you wanted 3GB of RAM per-process and an 8 CPU SMP license).

      2000 brought 'server', 'advanced server', and 'datacenter server' (4CPU), (8CPU, 8GB RAM w/PAE), and (32CPU, 32GB RAM w/PAE) respectively.

      Even the consumer versions of windows have hardware limitations. Windows 7 home edition caps out at 16GB of ram. I got home edition because the list of features in pro didn't seem worth the extra cost (plenty of open source replacements). I failed to notice the hardware limitations though. Luckily 16 GB is enough for anyone, right?

    21. Re:Bill needed by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Which was why MS had their OEM program. New computers would just come with DOS preinstalled. There was a side market for DOS but Microsoft really made the money from the PC manufacturers. Even when Windows came out it was still something that you usually got preinstalled.

      Even when I got my first PC (I had other computers before it) I asked to not have DOS or Windows since I was going to put OS/2 on it. But the maker still put on DOS anyway because they put on DOS on every computer just to test the components and it would have cost them more money to pull it back off later.

      Pirating DOS or Windows only makes sense if you built your own PC from scratch or were upgrading.

    22. Re:Bill needed by mjwx · · Score: 1

      the Playstation with XBox

      Here the Xbox did very, very well. But both the Xbox and Playstation are the wrong paradigm for consoles. The Xbox360 did well vs the PS3 but both did horribly vs the Wii.

      Sony and Microsoft designed their consoles to be PC-alike, this only resulted in a crippled gaming machine. Nintendo designed their console to be a console, a casual gaming machine and it was a smashing success. Instead of chasing after traditional PC genre's they embraced console genre's and made money hand over fist whilst Sony and MS lost money hand over fist.

      But this is besides the point, the Xbox did alright, not as well as the PS2 but it did hold it's own, the Xbox360 did better than the PS3, but was fighting for second place.

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    23. Re:Bill needed by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      There are many companies which don't care about the ability to run their code in a Linux environment, particularly for desktop apps (but quite a few also have a mostly-Windows intranet servers, too).

    24. Re:Bill needed by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 1

      Think for a minute about how much market share Internet Explorer has had in the past. I didn't say he was a clairvoyant and savant in every area of computing.

    25. Re:Bill needed by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      We are talking about servers. Between Java and .NET, Java could be used on a variety of platforms whereas .NET is only on Windows.

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    26. Re:Bill needed by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The guy you originally responding to wasn't talking just about servers, so far as I can see. But even then, there are plenty of intranet servers running internal web apps written in .NET - for what it's worth, I've seen more .NET on the intranets than I've seen Java. And it's not like there are few public web servers running ASP.NET [MVC] apps, either.

      So I wouldn't say that .NET missed the opportunity. It was and remains wildly successful, even if it didn't overcome Java.

  5. The marketing department are morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The marketing department are morons.

    They send me emails asking me to buy some game that I already own and play.
    They don't send me emails asking me to buy the new DLC for a game I do play.

  6. appstore model will not work by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    The appstore model of shitty games selling at a couple of bucks works for developers and apple because there are 400 million ios devices sold to date. With only 70 million xbox 360's this model would fail miserably.

    1. Re:appstore model will not work by toiletsalmon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. I think most of their arcade games are "shitty" as it is. Plus why should I pay $15 for a title on my xbox when I can get the same game cheaper on four other platforms for less? PLUS, it doesn't cost me $5 a month to take full advantage of my iPad.

      A more open and competitively priced market is exactly the thing that would bring me back, but Windows 8 had proven that they have other plans.

    2. Re:appstore model will not work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If you actually looked at the XBLA, you would see that you are full of shit. Fuck off sonygger.

  7. Ooo, I'll do it. No, wait, you don't mean me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    xBox just needs somebody with a brain and focus to get the product in order tactically before romping forward to continue the long-term strategic promise of an xBox in every living room, connected to every screen.

    Who's got two thumbs and can head a multi-million dollar project?

  8. Another one? Sheesh. by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh look, it's another retired general bitching about how much better things were when he led the army. File this one under W for 'Wozniak'.

  9. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To each his own. For me, if I bought a gaming console, it would be primarily because I can play games on it. Movies, songs, anything else would perhaps be a benefit, but if they take away from the games too much, I rather do without.

    This is why I bought a kindle instead of a similarly priced tablet. The kindle is for reading books on, and does this very well, with a nice screen and a pretty good buttong positioning. It doesn't do much else but the batery lasts a long time so its great. If I bought a tablet, I could have played extra games on it, watched movies and so on. But the screen would, in nearly every case, be not as useful to me (the reading on the kindle is so much better than any other screen, in my opinion), nor would I like to have to charge my device too often.

    Some devices people buy to do everything they can on, some they buy for one specific task. It probably is up to the user to decide when he wants a dedicated or an all round device.
    I personally can't imagine myself buying a gaming console to do anything other than games. If I want to do a lot more, I would attach a computer to my television. Not a console.

  10. Advertisements even after paying yearly! by Tagged_84 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The number 1 issue I have with MS and Xbox is that even after paying around $60 a year for their service I still get bombarded with advertisements covering upwards of HALF my f*cking screen!!! Where the hell is the money going if it's not going towards paying to have a clean, ad-free service?

    1. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by MHolmesIV · · Score: 0

      Wow, bet you haven't ever paid for a magazine then, or a newspaper, or how about cable television? The ads are allowing big companies to subsidize your gold subscription. You're welcome.

    2. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is nothing stupider than thanking big companies for showing you advertising. "Please sir, can I have a larger, louder, more in-my-face advert? Please?"

    3. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ads are allowing big companies to subsidize your gold subscription.

      My gold subscription to . . . a bunch of ads?

      I already pay my isp for internet access. I seriously can't fathom why I would wanna pay for it twice.

    4. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by flowbert69 · · Score: 1

      The number 1 issue I have with MS and Xbox is that even after paying around $60 a year for their service I still get bombarded with advertisements covering upwards of HALF my f*cking screen!!! Where the hell is the money going if it's not going towards paying to have a clean, ad-free service?

      I have asked myself that same question, many times. it is totally crazy, yet i continue to renew my sub.

    5. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I have asked myself that same question, many times. it is totally crazy, yet i continue to renew my sub.

      What's totally crazy is that you haven't blocked those ads at your router, which doesn't prevent you from using Live.

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    6. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah; that's so crazy. Especially since every router comes with a configuration option that a user who doesn't care to tinker can just check and apply to take away the advertisements.

    7. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yeah; that's so crazy. Especially since every router comes with a configuration option that a user who doesn't care to tinker can just check and apply to take away the advertisements.

      That would be a valid complaint if this were live.com, but this is slashdot.org and the reader is assumed to know how to use google and possibly even how to log into their router.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Not disagreeing about the advertising, but I see specials almost every day where you can get XBox Live for $36/year.

    9. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Wow, bet you haven't ever paid for a magazine then, or a newspaper, or how about cable television? The ads are allowing big companies to subsidize your gold subscription. You're welcome.

      Cable TV used to be ad-free, that's what the original idea was. Plenty of newspapers are free, and those with a cost are dirt cheap.

    10. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      If a company sold a car with dents in the hood, the fact that an auto hobbyist could pull them out himself doesn't negate the fact that the original product is flawed to start with.

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    11. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you want me to agree that Microsoft is bullshit, or just that showing subscribers ads is bullshit, done and done. I have bitched about it many times. It's not crazy, though. It's just bullshit.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    12. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You have to pay for the service? What does it do for you besides track achievements and serve up ads?

    13. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by qwak23 · · Score: 1

      wait wait wait... you're telling me I can log into my router? Would that make me a h4x0r?

    14. Re:Advertisements even after paying yearly! by terjeber · · Score: 1

      There is nothing stupider than thanking big companies for showing you advertising

      Yes there is, saying it is stupid without discussing the alternative, which is a price hike. You willing to pay more? If not, you're the dumb one.

  11. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there is a more obvious piece of astroturf anywhere I'd love to see it. But the bit about loving what you can do with the Xbox you don't actually own is almost as classic as mentioning Smart Glass and capitalizing it.

  12. HALO 1/2 and KOTOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was XBOX's prime. Anyone know why he named it XBOX? I thought the reason was this: "Hey Bob, you know how Linux puts X on stuff? Let's do that and make people associate that X with our product and Microsoft."

    1. Re:HALO 1/2 and KOTOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because of DirectX, duh.

  13. Stop calling it "X-Box", FFS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Few things make you seem as ignorant as when you insist on typing "X-Box" instead of "Xbox". I'm the biggest fucking grammar Nazi on the planet, but "Xbox" is a fixed string as it's a trademark. It doesn't matter if it "should" be "X-Box" or "X-box" or whatever -- it's *a fact* that it's "Xbox".

    1. Re:Stop calling it "X-Box", FFS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish I had mod points.

    2. Re:Stop calling it "X-Box", FFS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny to see people around here posting about how the "X-box"/"xBox"/M$ are dead.

      You really get a sense of how out-of-touch these people are.

    3. Re:Stop calling it "X-Box", FFS. by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      Few things make you seem as ignorant as when you insist on typing "X-Box" instead of "Xbox". I'm the biggest fucking grammar Nazi on the planet

      You may be a grammar Nazi, but I'm an accuracy Nazi, and I have to make exception to that statement.

      For instant, being an anti-vaccination advocate would make you seem more ignorant.

      I could care less what you watch, but if you claim Fox News is fair and balance, you probably seem more ignorant.

      I would of listed more, but its getting late. Their are alot more examples out they're if you look.

    4. Re:Stop calling it "X-Box", FFS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. must take exception, not make exception
      2. For instance, not For instant;
      3. You could, or could not care less?
      4. fair and balanced, not fair and balance
      5. I would have listed, not I would of listed
      6. but it's getting late, not but its getting late
      7. There are not Their are
      8. a lot not alot
      9. out there not out they're
      10. Conclusion: DahGhostfacedFiddlah is a moron, and your ingnorant post makes no sense.

  14. Cat got tongue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Console model: Buy a new game for 60 in USA or 100 in the rest of the world. Like it? Good. Don't like it? Bugger it!
    Mobile: Test a game. Like it? Buy it or remove ads. Don't like it? Try another 1000s of games. Or use your mobile for what is made for: Phone, sms, social media.

    Also all next consoles will stop 2nd hand games, will need internet always (like most ISP can support the extra traffic) and well despite Americans love them, several people are fed up of the "soldier in mission soldier" games. Not everybody has a party of friends for play to be a soldier squad (the foes can be zombies, nazis, terrorists, greek gods, etc. but the game is the same: Shoot, kill, recollect, repeat

    And why this text box shows the input as I write an Asiatic (right to left) language?
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  15. Home town means nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS would have become irrelevant if not for the forthought of its hardware partners in the early twenty-oughts and yet those same innovators now stand closest to the brink. Fuck you Ballmer, we bought you your damn yacht. Grow a backbone if you expect us to stand behind you. At this point I wouldn't mind seeing you kicked to the curb.

  16. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

    xbox only works as an extender to your network if you're running all windows 7 machines (probably works on 8, never seen 8 in the wild though). last count i'm running 1 windows 7 box out of about 8 computers. i don't really care to pay for windows to install an OS i don't like just so it's compatible with gaming hardware that might be able to replace $50 bucks worth of raspberry pi equipment.

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  17. Agreed. Always thought XBOX sucked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the real question is why are there so many people who suck?

    I guess I'm just not into sucking.

  18. Engineering vs Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While I am as much a grammer pedant as the next person (don't get me started on "X-Windows") it is interesting to note that Nat Brown, who "gave it its name", writes "xBox" througout except when talking directly about the product. Perhaps we are seeing the difference between the product as conceived by a visionary and the product as delivered by Marketing.

    1. Re:Engineering vs Marketing by Sparton · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we are seeing the difference between the product as conceived by a visionary and the product as delivered by Marketing.

      Being a game developer myself, I think it's more likely that he's just used to the "code name" version/spelling than anything. It's sorta hard to change what you call the thing you've been working on for months/years to something that probably was decided much closer to the end of that period.

      That, or maybe it's his spelling that he likes to use, even if it didn't get traction with many others/anyone else in the company. Just means that he's also wrong, not absolved of all wrongdoing just because he was part of the creation process.

  19. Next gen consoles are the new PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new consoles from Sony and Microsoft are both incredibly improved PC designs. Because they dump every aspect of Intel, and use AND technology, bandwidth to the GPU and CPU engines is vastly higher than anything Intel provides with even its best motherboard chipsets. A high-end PC with a high-end discrete GPU is still vastly faster, of course, but with much clunkier engineering.

    The new consoles, each having 8 true CPU cores, encourage proper multi-threaded execution in applications (an easy programming task for most types of AAA games). They each come with 8GB of main memory, allowing applications to build massive gaming worlds.

    What neither have is massive amounts of GPU grunt to drive 'Crysis' like graphics at insane resolutions. Such GPU power is still too expensive and power hungry. The best next-gen console games will have similar visuals to the best games today on powerful PCs, but with much better textures, and vastly larger seemless gaming levels. The best next-gen console games will probably render at a resolution less than 1080, and upscale the image a little, to enable more complex scene rendering.

    Best of all is the fact that the 8GB of memory means that games no longer have to be 'cheap' with state information (as in no proper save games), and can return to the glory days of PC gaming when a session could end at any point, and later the game could pick up exactly where the player left. The new console games will be unthinkably good, and port across to ordinary PCs with ease.

    The fact that the new consoles are also very powerful generic PCs means all the other services promised and never really delivered on the PS3 and Xbox360 are now trivial to support on the new boxes. Even 4K decoding with the new codec standard will be simple given the power of the 8 CPU cores, so it won't matter that the video hardware doesn't support H265 yet. These new devices are truly game changers IF they sell as well as previous consoles, and given the games they will run, they are going to sell an awful lot better.

    1. Re:Next gen consoles are the new PCs by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      You do realize that, while Hypertransport vs. FSB was a hilariously lopsided contest(and one of the reasons that even the most Intel-friendly OEMs were forced to start shipping Opteron servers in the multi-socket segement), all remotely recent Intel silicon(except Atom, which is off marching very slowly in its own direction) use QPI and integrated memory controllers? It took them long enough; but recent AMD and recent Intel CPUs again have substantially the same layout in terms of interface bandwidth and placement of system RAM.

  20. Evolution by ixarux · · Score: 2

    I have never found myself comfortable with any gaming consoles. My fingers have never been able to get the hang of the consoles. I think the future, the human race will be divided into 4 groups of evolved species with differing hand configurations - the consolers, the keyboarders, the swipers and the rest of the world. Let the games begin!

    1. Re:Evolution by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I think the future, the human race will be divided into 4 groups of evolved species with differing hand configurations - the consolers, the keyboarders, the swipers and the rest of the world.

      Except evolution requires reproduction, which is a rare event amongst the first three groups.

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    2. Re:Evolution by qwak23 · · Score: 1

      I'm not too sure about that... I know quite a large number of swipers with kids.

  21. iPad? is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iPad? is that you?

  22. Never played by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back when Xbox was released, I decided I would never get one (just because it's a microsoft product). Today, I have never played with Xbox... Actually I haven't even ever touched the controller.

    And I'm doing fine!

    1. Re:Never played by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Are you that pompous ass at every party who feels the need to brag to everyone "I don't even OWN a TV"?

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    2. Re:Never played by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you that scared bunny feels the need to attack other people who have different lifestyles?

      What's so wrong with someone saying that they don't watch or own a TV?
      Why do you feel they are "bragging" about it?
      Do you feel such a statement should never come up in any conversation?

      I'm just trying to get a feel for how deep your insecurities go.

    3. Re:Never played by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      No, he's that brain surgeon guy :-)

      Brain Surgeon - That Mitchell & Webb Look , Series 3 - BBC Two
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I

    4. Re:Never played by flanders123 · · Score: 1

      Yes. He is this guy.

  23. lets talk about xbox anal playing a video. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets talk about xbox anal playing a video.
    stage 1) pick a video
    stage 2) figure how you see the video on your own xbox.
    stage 3) give up
    stage 4) come back after a week to watch a diffrent video
    stage 5) remember the problem and google it
    stage 6) you need another computer(wtf?xbox is not computer?) to make it “streamable”.
    stage 7) get hold of another comuter and push your brother claiming its for family good.
    stage 8) stay in your room for pushing a brother, and think how this could be solved
    stage 9) you get a feeling you can solve it
    stage 10) get to the box next day, and understand you had no idea how complex it is
    stage 11) blame the firewall, and it still doesnt work
    stage 12) go find 3ed party software
    stage 13) ok, install the software
    stage 14) blame the firewall again
    stage 15) you try to play the video again on media center.
    stage 16) STOP CURSING AND FOCUSE , the xbox error 54735637 clearly say in google search , its a
    codec problem
    stage 17) try to install vlc
    stage 18) yes, spending an evening googling to understand why ms doesnt support open source , to end
    up in a distro wars, you dont get.
    stage 19) the weakend is over, give up, go and buy a cheap chinse device to stream media, and
    “unplug” that shit , so you can watch videos. aaah, if only you could plug 2 at a time.
    stage 20) stop hitting the screen, its not its fault its too old to handle two connections without
    static noise.
    stage 21) offer xbox on ebay staying its a piece of shit
    stage 22) removing from ebay “its a piece of shit”
    stage 23) you forgot you cant transfer all your games from your old xbox, its only for “you” and
    for your ‘users”
    stage 24) explain the buyer that you cant sell your xbox.
    stage 25) you hope the dog can destroy the box, even thow you spend hudnerd of dollars on a box that
    cant play video cause a “programmer” deicded that.
    stage 26) put xbox on a dark closet , not to be seen again for 2 decades, when its worth as antic.

    1. Re:lets talk about xbox anal playing a video. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stage 1) decide on what you want to watch
      stage 2) get overruled by the wife on what to watch
      stage 3) search on xbox with bing
      stage 4) decide which of the 3 services that currently has the title you want to use (netflix, amazon, live, hulu, comcast, etc.)
      stage 5) click the button for the app
      stage 6) click the button to confirm the video
      stage 7) click the button to play the video

      Damn that was hard, now if you are watching your own homemade porn from your local NAS you could have a codec problem, but kick off an overnight job (or better yet make it a cron job) and transcode to something the xbox likes.

  24. TLDR Version by wienerschnizzel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, these are the ACTUAL complaints in the article:

    1) Microsoft has purposefully locked out small developers from contributing to XBox.

    2) Cluttered interface that bombards the user with unnecessary and confusing pop-ups.

    3) Apple may be able to get control of the console business if they open up their Apple Store ecosystem to Apple TV

    1. Re:TLDR Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not replying directly to you, just using your succinct summary.

      >1) Microsoft has purposefully locked out small developers from contributing to XBox.
      Good, the quality of XBLA games pretty good trending to excellent, and I don't have to wade through 1000 shit games to get a gem. But it is slightly disingenous to ignore the indie games channel, and also ignore what MS has done for small indies by promoting their games on XBLA. eg/ SMB/limbo/Fez.

      >2) Cluttered interface that bombards the user with unnecessary and confusing pop-ups.
      Yeah, the scrolling one was a ton better. This new one sucks.

      >3) Apple may be able to get control of the console business if they open up their Apple Store ecosystem to Apple TV
      MS has a pretty good range of media services available, in fact I'd be hard pressed to find anywhere as good except for PC. An ios console may work, but if it's a shovelware fest count me out.

    2. Re:TLDR Version by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      You forget another, more important reason, according to my brother and his friends; price gouging. Basically to do anything now, you have to put up micro-payments or hard earned points. And don't forget about the games themselves with DRM overload to the point that my brother and his friends have notepads full of websites they've had to register at just to play the game they bought.

    3. Re:TLDR Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget another, more important reason, according to my brother and his friends; price gouging. Basically to do anything now, you have to put up micro-payments or hard earned points. And don't forget about the games themselves with DRM overload to the point that my brother and his friends have notepads full of websites they've had to register at just to play the game they bought.

      No you don't. I've never had to pay anything beyond the purchase price for any XBox game. You do get them trying to sell you on extras like avatar costumes or multiplayer map packs but the games play just fine without any of that.

      And while it is annoying that some games require you to register with a separate service, it's an exaggeration to claim that you need notepads to keep track of it all. There are really only 2 companies that do this, EA and Ubisoft, and once you register the info is maintained on your console and you never have to deal with it again. I don't think I even know my uPlay account information anymore because the games register without asking me for it. It's really not as inconvenient as you make it out to be.

    4. Re:TLDR Version by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      #1 is bullshit. With XNA, it's WAY easier for indies to develop for xbox than any other console.

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    5. Re:TLDR Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah XNA! Wait, Microsoft decided to kill off XNA.

      You were saying?

    6. Re:TLDR Version by Leolo · · Score: 1

      You missed TFA's point. While it might be easier to develop for Xbox vs PS3 and Wii, but it's helluva easier to develop for iOS and Android. Smartphones and tablets are the new battle field and MS is still fighting in the old battle field.

    7. Re:TLDR Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the article mentions that. the author's point is that once you've developed an xna game, it costs a lot of money to actually get it on the marketplace, and devs don't see much revenue anyway.

      the author then compares this to the ios app store, where it's relatively easy to post your app, and the pricig structure is beneficial for developers.

  25. er, yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's time to remove the post from your butt.

  26. Bullshit. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

    Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is the pinnacle of console gaming, on any platform - and it was particularly good on the Xbox.

  27. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its painful to read. at least its been modded funny.

  28. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by gmhowell · · Score: 1

    I think the classic geek mistake is being made here... that just because it isn't right for them, it's not right for anyone.

    That's not a geek mistake; it's a selfish turd mistake.

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  29. Re:Another one? Sheesh. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Oh look, it's another retired general bitching about how much better things were when he led the army. File this one under W for 'Wozniak'.

    The Woz probably isn't the best comparison: In this rant, the guy who kicked off MS' Xbox strategy is complaining about how MS is fucking up Xbox strategy. In the case of Wozniak, Apple's original hardware-hacker-geek occasionally laments the fact that a company that bears almost no resemblance to the "Apple" of his era except the name now produces products that don't even pretend to be interested in the likes of him.

  30. Name format by paiute · · Score: 1

    It's interesting to see the person who named it format the name - properly, I assume - as xBox, not XBox or Xbox. I rarely see it in the correct style, but it hasn't registered before, unlike the Mac/MAC or iPod/IPod/Ipod errors I see all too often.

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    1. Re:Name format by paiute · · Score: 1

      After I posted this, I read the comments and looked at the official site. Apparently they changed somewhere along the line to Xbox.

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  31. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by karnal · · Score: 1

    From a media perspective, it's a pretty simple extender - in the same vein that DLNA is supposed to do most of this too. My issues:

    1. I need to have a Windows machine on at all times I want to use the extender piece on the xbox because Windows Media Center has to be running to give the files to the machine.
    2. Windows Media Center doesn't appear to convert a lot of things in my library to a format readable by the xbox; hence I never use the xbox as an extender.

    I have had similar experiences on #2 for DLNA. Even trying to put together some of the applications (again, windows machine + transcoding is supposed to work here) DLNA just doesn't fit the bill. I have relegated myself to the fact that if I want to be able to play everything without messing around, a low-cost PC running media player classic is the way to go. Just built an i3 for my basement in fact because my old single core athlon couldn't decode anything higher than 720p without becoming a mess, even with hardware video decoding.

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  32. The Downfall of Microsoft by EmagGeek · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    You know, I saw a commercial for a Surface last night. It depicted a bunch of 20-something misanthropes at "work" doing something that could be likened to having epileptic seizures on a conference room table, tossing their tablets about as if they were frisbees and displaying facial expressions like my dog makes when it's trying to take a crap.

    In the time since then, I still have no idea what Surface is, does, or how it would help my organization get anything done. All I remember are a bunch of idiots acting like idiots and not doing any work.

    It's like they were *trying* to sell this device, whatever it is, to business, by appealing to the worse type of employee imaginable. That doesn't seem like much of a success strategy to me.

    Seriously, watch a couple of these commercials and tell me that there is a clear message about how this thing is actually useful:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UlE-o8DQQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr3dFSzh1yU

    Maybe I'm just old and unhip and still believe that going to work is for working.

    1. Re:The Downfall of Microsoft by okoskimi · · Score: 1

      Awww, give them a break. The second one actually carried two useful pieces of information: it has a pen, and it supports USB peripherals :-)

      Also, you seem to remember the ads quite well. Would that be the case if they had simply explained the features and benefits? Perhaps the whole thing is a devious plot to keep people talking about Surface simply by keeping people talking about how awful the ads are...

    2. Re:The Downfall of Microsoft by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      You obviously aren't in their target business market.

      No, they want CIO's, CTO's and CEO's thinking that they could have that much fun at "work" if only they had the kit.
      And yes, these people do have the mindset that matches the ad you portrayed so it appears to be actually well matched.

  33. XBox is fine. by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the XBox360 that sucks, frankly.

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    1. Re:XBox is fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has let me get heaps of fun games. It's just that as the years went on the firmware updates started adding frustration which now mostly stops me from playing.

  34. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2

    No. I run the Plex media server on my Mac and it streams videos to my Xbox and my Roku just fine. And, I run Microsoft Smartglass on my iPhone to control my Xbox.

  35. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by necro81 · · Score: 1

    With shameless promotion like that, Microsoft might just send you an XBox, gratis, in exchange for a product endorsement!

  36. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody on the planet is interested in how the games and achievements on their windows phone can interact with their xbox.

  37. Re:Another one? Sheesh. by natbro · · Score: 5, Informative

    i never claimed to have run the army. at best i was a grunt-turned-sergeant-awkwardly-promoted-to-captain who had the ears of the generals because i knew what we could build, who could build it, and i could describe it to everybody - i was boots on the ground. i'm just pointing out that i think the current strategy is wrong and will likely fail, not that i was running it better back in the day.

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  38. I have an idea by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    The next Xbox should be 100% touchscreen! Demand everyone buy a brand new TV and then stand 2 feet from it. Then touch it without tipping it over. Just think how well it would do to combine kids' affinity for touching random things with their love of gaming! It'll be a hit!

    1. Re:I have an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just described the Xbox 1440

  39. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, like many others, have both XBox and PS3 in the house. Let's just say, I FUCKING HATE XBOX.

    XBox - I have to pay monthly/annually to play games and shop online? That sucks.
    XBox - Not to start a flame war, but Halo, the seeming be all and end all of XBox is one of the worst FPS I've ever played. Even BF3 pisses me off so much that I'd prefer to play the abandoned and destroyed TF2 on PS3 than those XBox crapfests and their fine niggerfaggot players. WTF? Mute ALL.
    XBox - Can't play Blue-Ray discs, but they've got "lots" of juddering "HD" content that you can buy/rent on top of the money I wasted on XBox Live.

    PS3 - Online gaming and store are free! As it should be.
    PS3 - Doesn't play Halo, but that doesn;t hurt my feelings. All of the other craptacular EA games available on XBox are available to me on PS3.
    PS3 - Plays Blue-Ray discs I get from Red Box for $1.50 per day rental. Way cheaper than online rentals, no download lag or juddering. In fact, it's the only way for me to take advantage of the 1080p televisions that I bought. ALL other non-Blue-Ray video sources are less than 1080p, cable, DVD, downloads, streams... I bought 1080p, I want high def video, not YouTube!

    To be honest, I still pay for XBox Live and my son was a big fan, though most of his present gaming is PC based. But, I HATE the XBox.

    I'm no longer as big a fan of the PS3, Sony's updates have really pissed me off. The PS3 doesn't get used as much as it use to and the amount of gaming on it is declining, but I still prefer it hands down to the XBox.

    P.S. Sony got hacked and I lost a throw away account. My XBox account got compromised and I lost real money and time, trying to recover it.

    XBox SUCKS!

  40. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

    I'd be thrilled, except that I still have at least $200 invested in PS3 Rock Band DLC alone.

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  41. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, I had an xp media center and a vista system and both worked fine with it. Still works fine with windows 7 of course.

    BTW, I have 4 windows systems out of the 20+ active computers(real computers, not counting dev boards or embedded systems) so don't go pulling the M$ fanboy card out and waving it around.

  42. I think what he's saying by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
    is the real problem is they wouldn't listen to him, he no longer works there, and now he's bitter.

    If he wanted to get another point across he shouldn't have wrote the article like an angry ex.

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  43. Same-screen multiplayer by tepples · · Score: 2

    gee I wish I could play this with my friend

    That's why the Xbox 360 console has multiple USB ports for connecting wired controllers and a built-in receiver for pairing multiple wireless controllers. PCs can technically do that too, but it's not traditionally done. The selection of games that support multiplayer on one machine is consoles' big advantage over PCs.

    1. Re:Same-screen multiplayer by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      thats great for the handful of games that have local multiplayer. but unfortunately that feature has also been stripped from many many games where we have every right to expect it (Skate 3 is the title that I found to be grievously offending - I returned it and still play Skate 2 often for local mulitplayer)

    2. Re:Same-screen multiplayer by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2

      Right... and online multiplayer, you know, the feature blocked when you don't subscribe to Live Gold? You are going to need one hell of a long cord and a decent telescope.

      (I really think you are stretching by suggesting that what I meant by multiplayer was split screen play. When the discussion is about Live, it is obvious that the point is about discussing online multiplayer and not split-screen play.)

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  44. Continue with which character? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Prototype 2 did it right; it loads your most recent save and starts playing it in the background under the menu. When you click 'continue,' the menu simply goes away and there you are.

    Animal Crossing series does almost the same thing: its attract mode shows NPCs walking around in your campaign's town. But because it supports up to four characters in a campaign, it cuts away to the menu to select a character after you press Start.

  45. What professionally-made E or E10+ Linux games? by tepples · · Score: 1

    maybe your linux box will have some awesome graphics to play games on

    Yeah, like, Team Fortress 2, Counter strike Source, and MORE SHIT IS COMING.

    Anything that isn't violent like the popular first-person shooters?

    1. Re:What professionally-made E or E10+ Linux games? by Medievalist · · Score: 1

      maybe your linux box will have some awesome graphics to play games on

      Yeah, like, Team Fortress 2, Counter strike Source, and MORE SHIT IS COMING.

      Anything that isn't violent like the popular first-person shooters?

      Not a lot, but I'm betting that's because the most profitable target market for big-screen games is young people who are physically impaired by sloth and overconsumption. Healthy young people will play football, rugby, soccer, or go chase the opposite sex in order to satisfy their glandular systems, but couch potatoes with muscles like limp spaghetti need first-person shooters to satisfy their normal, evolution-driven desire for excitement and conquest.

      50 years ago, most students walked to and from school, and spent most of their free time outdoors, doing exciting, physically taxing things like playing stickball or kick-the-can. Behavior has changed along with culture and technology, but the human body hasn't evolved to need less adrenaline in the same time period.

      As Valve/Steam drives linux gaming forward, there will be more games that aren't murder-oriented. But the percentage overall, regardless of platform, is always going to be low in our lifetimes. Mainstream western culture has no major problem with games that amount to assassination fantasies (at least as long as they don't feature any harmless nudity or consensual, loving sexual activity) and game developers have to pay the bills.

    2. Re:What professionally-made E or E10+ Linux games? by chilvence · · Score: 2

      Or it could just be that first person shooters with no depth are easy to churn out. Look at them closely, and there is barely any deviation from the Doom archetype really. You will probably find it very hard to get money for something that is not easy to churn out, so you have to blame the simpletons in charge of the money for underestimating the intelligence and tastes of the 'proles'.

      By the way, well done for sounding like a snob on at least 15 different levels :) . Video games don't force people onto the couch, they just give them something to do while they are there, a bit like television, the wireless, the written word, and spoken stories did before them! Apathy forces people on to the couch, because we live in a society where everything has already been done and yet insists on going round and round in circles for no reason while pretending not to notice that it is fucking up everything around it! I think you will actually find that people don't like playing football because...well its fucking boring, that's why. If it wasn't, no one would protest! You see awesome examples of street sport from all over the world on youtube, yet for some reason people have to reduce sporting activity to a scientific process of penis measurement, the logical conclusion of which is the Olympic games, which could quite honestly be used in a hospital for anaesthetic! 50 years ago, most people walked to school, then your generation fucked everything up by deciding that driving and roads was a cornerstone of modern society! I don't see any fat fucks in countries where people can't drive everywhere they go!

      I piss on your lawn, and kick over your garden gnomes while I am at it!

    3. Re:What professionally-made E or E10+ Linux games? by Medievalist · · Score: 1

      Only 15? Let's see if I can increase my score!

      I never have any time to play video games, I'm too busy adopting children, running elections, and restoring antique electric vehicles.

      Ka-zing!!! That had to get me at least ten more!

      Although, more seriously: I played "Journey" the other night, at my son's insistence, and I really liked it. A pleasant change from the first-person-murderer genre.

  46. UEFI lockdown is used in Windows RT devices by tepples · · Score: 1

    Open Firmware replaces BIOS and avoids legacy cruft, and doesn't seek to prevent people doing what they want with their computer.

    Neither does UEFI.

    UEFI is used in Windows RT devices with no ability to disable Secure Boot and no ability to enable custom mode.

  47. Secure Boot required for new PCs and new MBs by tepples · · Score: 1

    Microsoft requires Secure Boot (with a disable option and custom mode) for x86 and x86-64 PCs that ship with Windows 8 and for motherboards that carry the Windows 8 certification mark, not necessarily all PCs that are upgraded from an older operating system to Windows 8.

  48. Which "four other platforms"? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Plus why should I pay $15 for a title on my xbox when I can get the same game cheaper on four other platforms for less?

    Are these smartphone or tablet platforms? If so, then you probably didn't get a gamepad unless the platform was Android and the device was Xperia Play. Or are these console platforms? If so, then they lack anything like the $1, $3, and $5 games in the Indie Games section.

  49. Meh. Its a tax incentive. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    His main gripe seems to be around the 10,000$ fee to be able to develop xbox content.

    While I get his point that they might be excluding many young innovative Indy game developers, they are also protecting themselves from the 99% that are not but would try to develop some crap anyway. This way you only get those people that are really serious about making a game. I mean for a start up business, 10,000$ for access to sell your product to HOW many users, is not a big deal. It is to make sure that only quality games are being submitted not halfassed ones.

    It is the same reason why they have to prohibitive update fees. First one is free, and then they get progressively more expensive the more you do. Some have said this leads to developers giving up on code because they will never realize the profit from it. However the incentive is clear: STOP MAKING BUGGY CODE! Test your shit before you submit it, do not rush development and then submit some half assed, half finished dreck.

    As for content, I think they are going generally in the right direction. However it shouldn't be xbox making deals with content creators, that is what players like Netflix and the like should do. Yes they could tone down the ads a bit. I get it, you are a business and want to sell me stuff. However chill out a bit ya? I dissagree about the them not capitalizing on kenict. I think they did they best they could. As a technology, it is not precise enough for serious gaming, but is great for fun party type games. The difficulty was that people interested in those kind of games bought a Nintendo. They did try to drop the price to compete with this, but then again building a catalog of that type of games takes a bit of time. If they could refine the control, I think that would be the future. Bottom line, when the next console comes out, it is likely going to cost like 500$, people interested in casual gaming do not want to spend 500$, it is that simple. So until you refine the control, and have the use for casual party games, do not expect huge sales, until of course your console prices drop to matching the low end, which is years and years away from initial release.

    Anyway back to the fees. Microsoft is worth like 30 Billion or whatever. They do not make money off these fees (or that is not the purpose). It is an attempt to cultivate their garden of developers in that only the desired will continue, and the rest will wither and die.

  50. X Square Circle by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone know why he named it XBOX?

    Because when you put your thumbs on a PlayStation controller, the right thumb covers buttons marked with an X and a square (that is, a box). Even 360 refers to a circle, which is also a PlayStation button.

    1. Re:X Square Circle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There isn't a moderation option for Interesting If True, so you get plain ol' Interesting.

    2. Re:X Square Circle by qwak23 · · Score: 1

      So the next iteration will be Xbox 360 180?

  51. Death of XNA by tepples · · Score: 1

    For one thing, everything has to be rewritten line-by-line in C#. For another, only ten countries can buy XNA games. Finally, a letter to MVPs implies that XNA is likely to go unsupported soon.

  52. I like my XBox... by chakan2 · · Score: 1

    Cliff Notes: IMHO the article is wrongyou can move on now.

    I think the article is good advice for future developments maybe, but the current state of the Xbox isn’t nearly as bad as what the author makes it out to be.

    The boot time to game is solely dependent on how many splash screen individual developers put in their game. Otherwise from XBox logo to game load is like what 10 seconds? I personally don't think that's unreasonable.

    As to advertisig...It's relevant and I don't think it's overly intrusive...Yet...I don't mind that one advertising tile in the bottom right of every other screen. It doesn't affect my experience one way or the other. When they make me start click through an ad to get to my game, I'm throwing the thing out to craig’s list or e-bay.

    As to XBox Live...again, in the grand scheme of things I think 100 bucks a year (family account w/ 4 accounts) isn't ridiculous. The matchmaking / audio is a class above anything on PS3 or Wii (WiiU). I find it’s worth it for that alone. Also, if you’re thrifty throughout the year you can find subscriptions for cheap (30 bucks / yr per account). Compare that to any of the ‘free to play’ games or a WoW account and you’re immediately in the same price range for a year. Finally, if you don’t want to pay, get XBox silver. You don’t get online play, but you’ll get through all the single player games fine.

  53. Re:Another one? Sheesh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sir, I agree completely with you.
    Kudos for the courage to speak open, I hope will shake their cozy view of the world.

  54. Well that was a stupid argument by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That would be a valid complaint if this were live.com, but this is slashdot.org and the reader is assumed to know how to use google and possibly even how to log into their router.

    Come on, that wasn't even really true a decade ago - and modern Slashdot it's asinine to assume that even 50% of the readers here configure routers at all.

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  55. Apple has even better media services by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    MS has a pretty good range of media services available, in fact I'd be hard pressed to find anywhere as good

    No, you wouldn't actually. AppleTV has all those features (including things like Netflix, Hulu, HBO) with no monthly fee paid to Apple to make use of those features.

    That and the AppleTV also supports airplay for small device mirroring.

    And it plays media directly from an iTunes account which many, many people have now...

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  56. Oblig Monty Python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bad, wicked, naughty XBox.

    1. Re:Oblig Monty Python by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      I DON'T LIKE SPAM!!

  57. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Normally I think calls of posts being astroturf are way over-done on the internet, everyone uses that phrase anyone anyone simply says they like anything.

    But I have to admit that post was waving more red flags than a Chinese military review...

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  58. cage match eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Almost 14 years after the painful, pointless, and idiotic internal cage-match"

    did it involve chairs wwe style?

    who did you have to beat with a chair to let them give you the chance to make xbox.

    because I heard throwing chairs is how MS does business

  59. As a PS3 owner... by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    ..I find that practically every single comment in this article applies to the PS3 as well.
    Down to the bizarre warning that every game provides a custom icon for that means "saving, don't turn off". To add insult to injury, on the PS3 you have to click through a warning about the saving icon before starting every game, every single time.

  60. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

    I don't own an X-Box

    OK. But that makes this next statement rather odd.

    I love that I can control the Xbox now with a Windows Phone, using Smart Glass.

    Why would you love that you can now control something that you don't even have?

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  61. If we hit that bullseye... by karmicoder · · Score: 1

    ... the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate. Could this guy possibly mix and otherwise abuse metaphors more?

  62. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

    Because I've used it at friends' homes who have an X-Box and a Windows Phone.

    Can't I love something that I don't have?

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  63. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is really simple to have the PS3 work with your Windows computers.
    1. Go to your computer
    2. Share files
    3. Dance
    4. ???
    5. Profit...I mean done.
    It is not hard at all. I've had it working since the PS3 came out and it has basically never broken. I've played literally all types of files, streaming from my PC, from audio to video, without a single problem.

    Same thing on my 360 takes a whole extra bunch of hoops if I do it the way they want - shared through WMC. Luckily the shared folder thing works there too, but it is much more buried on the 360 than the PS3..at least last time I tried to do it.

  64. You're asking the wrong question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are there ads on the console in the first place? My PS3 doesn't have any, my Wii U doesn't, my 3DS and Vita don't...

  65. PC instead by tepples · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it was my assumption that if you're not doing split-screen, you might as well game on a PC instead of an Xbox 360 console.

  66. Re:Classic Geek Mistake by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

    i stand corrected

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  67. Budding developers by tepples · · Score: 1
    Anonymous Coward wrote:

    Yeah mods, whatever, don't have time to even finish most games, let alone screw around with mods.

    So how are budding developers supposed to get their start without mods?

  68. This handful is larger on consoles by tepples · · Score: 1

    thats great for the handful of games that have local multiplayer

    This handful is larger on consoles than on PCs. There are entire local-multiplayer-centric genres that tend not to get ported to PC, such as party games and fighting games.

    but unfortunately that feature has also been stripped

    Every Call of Duty game that I've seen still supports split-screen on the Xbox 360. But you're right that I quit Animal Crossing when I discovered that despite the huge CPU power and resolution increase from the DS to Wii, City Folk didn't have split-screen.

  69. Crazy Pop Up Ad! by tmjva · · Score: 1

    Verizon's pop up ad won't go away over the text of this slashdot post, make it stop!

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  70. Entry barrier by tepples · · Score: 1

    I always thought the point of playing games like that with others was the bonding experience and which game you play, and on what system you play it, was kind of a secondary factor.

    But you still have to get past the steps of 1. finding games to play and 2. setting up a system compatible with those games in the first place. The small selection of PC-compatible major-label local multiplayer games isn't quite compelling enough to get past step 1, let alone step 2.

    It's not like I'm planning to lead a revolution in the gaming market, so I really only tend to focus on personal solutions.

    I'm approaching this from the point of view of small video game developers. The article and other articles point out that the tools and approval fees to port even a completed Windows game to Xbox 360 can cost tens of thousands of dollars per year. A lot of small developers can't afford this entry barrier.

    1. Re:Entry barrier by Dextrously · · Score: 1

      The solution is on the way then: http://www.ouya.tv/

      That will solve both steps 1 and step 2 for you. As well as being a slight bit cheaper than buying your own mini-pc, and at the same time have a more limited application purpose. However, it sounds to me like that isn't something you would consider a problem?

  71. The presumed free of cost solution by tepples · · Score: 1

    And if the head of household is unwilling to buy an Xbox, there's no gaming at all, so what's your point?

    My point is that far more gamers are willing to buy an Xbox 360 and connect it to a TV than to buy a PC and connect it to a TV.

    If you can point to anywhere where I claimed this was a free of cost solution

    The presumed free of cost solution, from the gamer's side (not the developer's side), is to use the console that one presumably already bought sometime in the past seven years. But as the article points out, the console makers make it cost-prohibitive for a small developer to gain access to those gamers who already bought a console.

    1. Re:The presumed free of cost solution by sjames · · Score: 1

      OP was commenting that multiple controllers was a primary reason to get a console to bring out when friends come over. I pointed out that you can just add controllers to a PC as well, so it is not an intrinsic reason console will always trump PC.

      Meanwhile, I'm not really a gamer (I occasionally play a game on my Linux PC), but my PC is connected to my TV. I did it because I already had the PC and the TV and wanted a DVR that doesn't tell me what I can and can't record, phone home every time I want to watch something, wipe out things I wanted to keep, etc.

  72. Both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he complains about how expensive everything is, and how Microsoft can veto your product.

    Then he goes on about how there's this ghetto where it's cheap/free, but Microsoft doesn't promote anything.

    Is Microsoft supposed to spend resources on projects that may or may not be any good? Or maybe make a more serious effort on someone who's...

    made a more serious effort?

    No dog in this hunt, can't code my way out of paper bag, and could care less about the Xbox (I'm a Steam on PC guy). But he seems off on that point.

  73. Provided it catches on by tepples · · Score: 1

    Ouya would be ideal provided it catches on. Previous open systems, such as GP32, GP2X, GP2X Wiz, and Pandora, all failed to become popular in North America.

  74. Surfing and gaming on your DVR by tepples · · Score: 1
    Still trying to convince myself that I can convince others that connecting a PC to a TV is practical:

    my PC is connected to my TV. I did it because I already had the PC and the TV and wanted a DVR that [obeys me]

    So when you want to use the PC connected to the TV for web surfing or word processing or something similar, where do you put the mouse and keyboard when you use the PC connected to the TV? And how does the gaming or other use affect the DVR functionality?

    1. Re:Surfing and gaming on your DVR by sjames · · Score: 1

      In my case, I already used the machine regularly, so it was on a desk w/ a keyboard and mouse. I'm considering adding a media center remote or just a wireless keyboard (already have a wireless mouse).

      When I want to use the PC for non DVR stuff, I use a smaller monitor on the desk and set the TV to a different input.

      The recording is no big deal, the video capture device does mpeg2 encoding in hardware so the PC can 'record' with no noticeable load. If I want to keep the recording, I transcode it with Handbrake after cutting the commercials with avidemux.

      One day, if I get one of those famous round tuits, I may add a second video card or, hook the old laptop to the TV so I can work and watch a recorded movie.

      So perhaps it wasn't a perfectly typical case, but for me, hooking the PC up to the TV was almost free since I just happened to have one available. I say almost because I did have to buy a few cables.