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Official: Playstation 4 Will Play Used Games
An anonymous reader writes "Quenching some rumors 'Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida has told Eurogamer that PlayStation 4 will not block the use of second-hand games, contrary to various reports, speculation and even a Sony patent unearthed last month.'"
...but they've done the bait and switch before. I'm sure Microsoft will say something similar before the launch of their console.
While this article is framed as a victory for the consumer, it is yet another reminder that technology [such as Cinavia] can, and will, be used to subvert our existing rights [to lend, copy, borrow, make backups].
Step by step, resistance will be overcome and we shall be reduced to facilitators of consumption, thanks to the ever-increasing apathy amongst the general public.
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
Also, you'll be able to run linux on it!
"To save face I have decreed that the used-game lockout is to be removed from the product in development."
Just like Linux and the PS3.
It's clear that the PS4 is aimed at addressing many of the disadvantages of downloaded games (streaming full games to try them out, being able to play games before they finish downloading, etc.). If you can get people predominantly downloading games you obviate the second-hand games problem.
(But not reselling digital games, although Valve's legal team are hard at work to hobble that.)
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Other than graphics, there haven't been improvements in gameplay since the beginning of games.
That would be fine except that Sony has shown that they are OK with removing features later, as they did with OtherOS and several others.
Remember Linux compatibility? Remember the PS3 initially was able to play PS2 games? Why would we believe anything that Sony says?
DRM? No thanks, I'll just get it somewhere else...
Because Sony could as well allow playing used games only after you have payed some fee to have the game's license tied to your online account. Because i assume you have to be always online for that thing too.
It's all poop.
The last playstation will let you run linux! See how well that worked out?
You are a DAMM FOOL if you believe anything sony says will be true longer than the 2 seconds it took them to say it.
But there are plenty of fools on the planet now. They'll all buy into sonys bullshit YET AGAIN. And then come whine when sony screws them over again and again.
You can't fix stupid.
Maybe they realized they actually wanted to sell a few. Certainly I believe there is a huge market who only buy because they think they'll sell the product on again later to get some money back, even if they never get actually round to it.
And those that do... many re-invest what they make back into buying newer games.
Thinking a £40+ item may be a dud that can never be resold is seriously going to put people off.
Those that are happy to wait months to years to buy second hand because a title is too expensive, will STILL wait months to years to buy the title when it's in the bargain bin instead of paying more for something they don't think is worth it to them.
I don't believe they'll ever stop piracy, and killing second hand sales would push those less well off to either forgo entirely and look to other forms of entertainment, or consider piracy. Either way, reducing sales.
I'm pretty sure the reason Quake is more addictive than Pong despite the learning curve is down to more than just fancier graphics.
Of course this speaks nothing about the use of licences required to use an ever increasing part of the games, be it various forms of DLC, or even the ability to go online at all. If the new game comes with some such licence tied to PSN, which requires $10 or more to buy separately, that second hand copy might not seem as atractive anymore.
Run with the lemmings, and you'll get your feet wet.
(the onion theme plays)
Breaking news on the Sony Playstation 4. A Sony Rep says it will actually be used to play games. While the main focus of the next generation of consoles has been on selling people more and more content and locking out features, an expert on the new platform says there is still room for gamers. "We're listening to our customers and hearing that they mainly just want to play games. We're seriously considering it for the Playstation 4."
No way Quake is more addictive than Pong. Pong FTW!
Run with the lemmings, and you'll get your feet wet.
I suspect Sony really don't want to withstand another volley of terrible publicity. I also doubt that they want to drag the whole issue through a court, which would almost certainly happen.
The current rules seem to be ill defined. Gamers technically own the games, but are at the whim of the PS Network. This gives Sony enormous power over defining what "ownership" actually means.
Prohibiting second hand games formally now would jeopardize the console sales. Doing it gradually or suddenly (like with Linux on the PS3) a year or two down the line by way of PS Network T&C changes would be far safer for them.
Don't pay attention to what he says, but what he doesn't. Sure it will play used games, he did not say what you have to do to play them. They might require you to sign into playstation network and pay an unlock fee which may or may not equal the price of the game as new for example. or you might be limited to X amount of hours to play a game that has been linked to a different console unit.
It's sad that it is news when corporation announces that they are going to treat their customer nicely...
To be honest, there isn't much more leaping that Video games can do at this point. Short of being able to render Cinema CGI on the fly, Game Graphics are finished for now.
Also, this announcement was a shock for me with all the talk about blocking used games. So who is it really that will black used games, Microsoft?; we've yet to hear from them. Anything could change though.
you will have to pay for an online pass
What about the Vita model where only new games contain all the game content via online services and used games don't have access to it? I would expect Sony to do the same with the PS4.
Will it have an "Other OS" function too?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Once you've paid the publisher for the privilege of owning your used copy by way of a large secondary fee.
to be honest, from a person who has lived in Japan a very long time, this really doesn't come as too much of a surprise. There are dozens of VERY big chains and thousands upon thousands of stores both parts of chains and independently owned in Japan that exist almost solely for the exchange of used games. Some deal exclusively in games, most usually mix in some used books/manga/anime/magazines/DVDs/clothes but games and manga would definitely be their meat and potatoes if simple floorspace allocation is anything to go by. If there was any possibility that this was even remotely true, there's a very, very large population of Japanese people who would have already risen up as one angry mob complete with the Japanese modern day equivalent of torches and pitchforks and fucking SLAYED Sony.
182w ago - Today Sony's Satoshi Hashimoto, in an interview with Impress Watch, confirmed that Sony will not be removing the OtherOS and Linux functionality in old (non-Slim) PlayStation 3 consoles. Until now, many feared Sony would remove the functionality from older PS3 systems via PS3 Firmware 3.0 or a future update. Additionally, he stated that there isn't an issue with the feature leaving a security hole with the system. To quote Andriasang.com (linked above): "Rest assured, this will not happen. Sony's Satoshi Hashimoto, in an interview with Impress Watch, said that Sony will not be removing the feature, which he refers to as "Other OS functionality." He also assured readers that there currently isn't a problem with the feature leaving a security hole with the system." Read more: http://www.ps3news.com/PS3-Linux/ps3-otheros-linux-to-remain-in-old-ps3s-no-security-hole/#ixzz2LdA1yfmE
There were also a lot of other things that were sold with the original PS3 that were then removed in future releases of the console. PS2 backward compatibility as an example. The first gen PS3 had it in hardware, the second gen had it in software. Then it was silently removed altogether. Luckily they didn't retro actively remove it. I know it's a little different because by the time you both the PS3 thin it was well known it didn't exist any more. To me that seems like an easily repeatable, first gen PS4 allows used games then before people know it all the sudden the feature is removed or phased out.
Sony's demonstrated that you can't believe what they say. I bought into the PS3 partly for the Other Os and was burned. Anyone who buys into the PS4 after know what with the PS3 deserves to get burned when Sony pulls another stunt.
Engadget says that the guy was uncharacteristically hesitant when he made this declaration, implying that it's not the simple games distribution mechanism that we're familiar with. They speculate that there may be a fee or something else involved, or another approval process. Needless to say, if a single player game requires an internet connection there's reason to be suspicious.
Quake more addictive than Pong?
You, my friend, have obviously never played Piniq!
To be fair...most people haven't...
Did you ever use the other os feature? I did. Or at least I gave it a shot. It was awful and worse than useless. It sucks that it was stolen from us, but really - nothing of value was lost. Complaining about it is nothing but mindless point scoring against the evil corporation that is Sony, only the vast minority ever used it legitimately and those using it weren't forced to install the psn update. Other OS was nothing but a gimmick (or perhaps a cunning ploy to evade some tariffs). Complaining only shows that you have a preconceived axe to grind.
Playstation 4 Will Play Used Games
Until it doesn't! :p
It seems so much easier to just build a PC. =P
That is to say PlayStation 4 games because it is _not_ backwards compatible with ps3 games so.... Yea...
Good leaders run toward problems, bad leaders hide from them.
As if millions of gamers let out a collective sigh of relief.
How about i take your car and give you a pair of sneekers. I mean you can walk to work/school/where-ever. Why would you complain?
Even if Microsoft / Sony start embedding the serial nrs onto the disc it's fundamentally no different than what happened already for years. It just means users don't have to type in the code.
What is more worrying is that there are numerous ways that the serial nr's activation status can be used / abused. For example, one game might decide to disable online without a refresh code which is semi reasonable (the person buying the game didn't pay for the servers that run the online portion). But what if games become glorified playable demos, or the game starts showing annoying interstitial adverts in second hand form unless you buy a refresh code? You can bet the likes of EA, Activision, Ubisoft are already salivating at the ways they can claw back cash from second hand titles and they'll go as far as the console vendors let them unless there are reasonable limits.
I already spent my next gen console money on a nice new computer. So no ps4 or xbox 720 for me. And the great thing is my computer plays games that I have had for years.
"Drive Fast Kill Slow"
Other than graphics, there haven't been improvements in gameplay since the beginning of games.
Makes you wonder why they bother having computer games at all, when a simple game of throwing rocks against a wall was all that I had to play when I was young, and I was happy.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Sony has made it very clear that they aren't a customer focused company for at least the last 20 years. So just expect that they are going to do what benefits them no matter what it does to their customers and you won't be surprised. My personal answer has been to stop buying Sony products. The PS2 was the last thing I bought from them and I bought that at release so it has been 10+ years since I bought anything Sony. I considered buying a PS3 but then I read about all the shenanigans with PS2 support and bluray players started dropping in price. Unless the next Microsoft console is just totally unacceptable I won't be buying a PS4. You are doing something seriously wrong when Microsoft seems consumer friendly and customer focused by comparison.
Remember that the reason for Sony to initially have some (crappy) Linux support in PS3 was only to get around the game console tax in EU, as then the unit could be sold as a computer.
Another thing that is forgotten in the "Sony sucks" discussions that the early batch of PS3s had nasty overheating problems.
I tried it, and yes, it sucked, mainly due to the lack of RAM in the PS3, or at least that was my impression. The new console with 8GB of memory would be an altogether different story, though, read: beast. And still, there were several universities and businesses using clusters of PS3 for some serious calculations, which is obviously much more feasible since in that case you would dispose of all the linux UI overhead.
A World in a Grain of Sand / Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Infinity in the Palm of your Hand / And Eternity in an Hour.
My suspicion is that yes it will play used games. Because old console games (developed before this year, let's say) had no way of being identified, you can't tell if the game is used or not. So sure, they will allow that so your old library of games still works. Why give themselves bad press when there's no resolution to it.
But newly developed games? They will come with activation codes that prevent resale. So PS3 used games, ok, but PS4 exclusives will not allow it going into the future.
I did use the other os feature. I'm a software developer it was very useful as a development testing platform. I also had it setup at one put to be a 3D rendering node for some of my hobby 3D modelling. until my cousin and wife put in a bluRay we rented. I was upstairs making snacks when they ran the update. I was pretty pissed. My wife at least should have known better. No use crying over spilt milk, I haven't even turned the console on since we watched that movie. I only own one other bluRay that I was given for Christmas and my TV has a build in media server. Now that companies are actually getting interested in gaming on Linux I have no need for a console at all. I still think it's important to inform people about consumer rights being eroded away by companies like Microsoft and Sony. The other os was a major factor in my decision to buy the PS3 instead of an XBox or a Wii at the time. Having that removed several years after the purchase was a big slap in the face. The fall out of that is companies now including no class actions in their shrink wrap agreements. Huge loss for the consumer.
shit.
even if the console "supports" it, there won't be any such thing when all the major publishers are switching to, or have already switched to, one-time-use serial numbers for both games and downloadable content -- using features built-in to the system by the console manufacturers to do it -- and tie those codes to a particular online account so they cannot be transferred or reused.
I agree with you on the OtherOS feature, but it's disingenuous to complain about the loss of backwards compatibility in PS3 redesigns. Every console that has been redesigned lost features.
The Wii lost GameCube compatibility and the Xbox 360 lost both memory cards and compatibility with older hard drives.
The GameCube lost component video output and the PlayStation 2 lost the hard drive bay.
The list keeps going. Off the top of my head, the only ones that seems to make additions over time seems to be Microsoft, which added HDMI output before things started getting cut. For all other hardware manufacturers, being an early adopter means getting the most-capable hardware.
It's the retroactive removal of features from customers who had already spent their money that should be damned.
The problem isn't whether or not the PS4 can play used games- it is whether you can get the used game onto the console in the first place, and if the game publisher's DRM allows you to play the game.
We wanted to say we'll still support a second controller for another hand to join in the game
That is in fact consoles' biggest advantage over PCs. Because consoles are more often connected to a monitor large enough to support two to four players offline, major labels are more likely to develop games that support two to four players offline for consoles than for PCs. Case in point: Where are the PC fighting games other than Street Fighter IV?
Don't hold your breath for online play with used games
Sony and publishers of games on Sony's platforms have already been doing that since the PlayStation 2 by shutting off the matchmaking server of any game that's a couple years old. The most common error message is "DNAS error -103: This software title is not in service."
It's harmless, possibly even beneficial. Here are the reasons why.
1) It doesn't mean they intend to use it. A lot of patents are defensive, a sort of financial mutually-assured-destruction plan. If they say they have no intention of using it, that probably means exactly that. The patent system being as silly as it is results in these types of ploys. Sort of like the man who goes to the dentist and when the dentist grabs the drill, reaches out and lightly grabs the dentist by the balls and says "let's not hurt each other". Patent portfolios are very much like this. It doesn't mean you intent to harm anyone. It just means you can if provoked.
2) This means the Xbox can't block used games without paying a royalty to Sony if they press the matter. So at the very least your next Xbox will play used games. Which would be an unacceptable state of affairs for Sony. If they lied and blocked used games anyways, you would have the Xbox-next playing used games and the PS4 not. Which would you buy? I'm sure Sony has thought of this.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
We liked to roll hoops using a stick. Good times, good times - rolling that hoop for hours...
#DeleteChrome
That's beside the point I was making. Right now Sony says the PS4 will support second hand games. However, they’re still building support for publishers to tie a physical copy of a game to a console. The story that Sony and Microsoft are actively working against the second hand market has become very big lately and is becoming a huge factor in which, if any, console consumers are going to purchase.
What do you expect Sony's response would be?
My expectation would be that they would say they're NOT carry through with their original plan, but I expect that within a couple years we'll see a firmware update silently released that removes the "used game feature". Consumers won't even know that used games won't work on the console until it's too late. Just like the Other OS removal, the courts have already said "OtherOS Removal Was A Bad Business Decision But Not Illegal".
I don't personally care about games. They're games, I just won't buy them, but unfortunately this is really bad for consumers in general. If Sony can do it so can everyone else. How long before compute manufactures decided it's ok to renege on features sold with tablets, smart phones, laptops or other computer parts.
I’m already dealing with this sort of BS where I work. I know it's not the same, but it's pretty analogous to how it'll be in the future. The Information Technology group was told to take steps to "protect" users in our organization after a recent virus outbreak on our network. I came in last week to find out that Opera and Safari were disabled on my machine. The week before they disabled javaScript and deleted bookmarks in Chrome and Firefox, basically some big wig decided that Internet Explorer was the only required and most secure browser. I was able to argue against that and convinced someone that was not the case. As the webmaster for my organization it's been a pretty hectic couple of weeks. Can you imagine what it'll be like when someone's doing that sort of crap to your home PC?
Sony may also use product registration data to hunt down and kill their customers. Why not?
Because unlike what you propose, Sony has done something like that on all three of its previous platforms. Net Yaroze was produced in far too limited quantities, as was the PS2 Linux kit. Then the PS3 had Other OS taken away in a system software update.
Regardless, his point remains true.
You can not trust Sony.
Probably not. Only homebrew we'll see if bound to be more like playstation mobile's model.
Here's a car analogy for you. You buy and pay for a car, and man that radio sucks. Too much treble, no tone controls, won't pick up many stations. What happens? The dealer comes to your house and removes the radio. Now you have no radio in your car at all.
The point is, Sony took away something that was bought and paid for. If it were a physical item it would be therft or vandalism. And that's not Sony's first vandalism, XCP ruined any computer it infected, and that infection and vandalism was deliberate.
Would you buy a car from someone who would come back and tear the radio out later? Yet you fools still not only buy from Sony, but give excuses for their evil deeds. WTF?? Do you work for them or something?
killing the used game market which many parents rely on to even justify buying their kids a console in the first place.
The average age of a gamer is in the mid-30s, not under 18. Perhaps Sony is willing to abandon kids to Nintendo and mobile in order to focus on the DINK market with more disposable income, treating your DINK friend as collateral damage.
Not to mention the fact that this will kill off various retailers dependent on used game profits that would bring the wrath of governments worldwide.
On what grounds would governments hit Sony for this in a way that they haven't already hit console and smartphone makers for opening download stores?
It's suicide for any company to kill used games on their consoles
The official word is that Steve Jobs died of complications from pancreatic cancer, not from inability to resell iPhone and iPad games.
or the product will be dead and PC gaming will get a boost as a result.
If console gaming dies, on which platform will people play games that use multiple gamepads? Or will people have to buy a separate PC for each player?
Even if you never buy a used game you likely rent games
Console makers want to block that. In the cartridge era, Nintendo even applied for a patent for a version of the CIC (checking integrated circuit, the lockout microcontroller in NES, Super NES, and N64 consoles and Game Paks) designed to discourage rental of Game Paks. The CIC in the console would have a couple digits of its serial number stored in e-fuses and send it to the CIC in the Game Pak, and the CIC in the Game Pak would store ten serial numbers that it has been used with in its own e-fuses and fail to boot on an eleventh.
Lack of backwards compatibility is a deal breaker for me. I have quite a few ps1-3 games I like to play still.
Even if you never buy a used game you likely rent games or have people over
Not as likely as some might assume, at least among grown-ups. There are people on Slashdot who rarely have friends over because they lack the time to coordinate schedules. Instead, they play online with strangers.
who bring a game with them.
But do they also bring their saved games with them? If not, that could be done by offering a demo. Perhaps a game will play on other consoles but save only on the first console in which a disc is used. Allowing someone who borrows a game to play up to the first major save point would seem to align with the free demo that all Ouya games will have.
Maybe you should buy a computer if you want to run Linux, not a game console.
So what should I buy if I both want to run Linux and want to play games?
There have been enough games made that I never need to buy new ones and can still play until I die.
Until the multiplayer servers get shut off. Or until the sports game's rosters become outdated by several years. Or until your console finally dies and replacements are expensive because it has become a collector's item. Try finding a replacement CD-i console at an affordable price, especially since YouTube Poop brought it back to popularity. Or just try finding an affordable working Vectrex console.
So you prefer not to play online with strangers because of the homophobia that they express in in-game chat. In such a case, how do you play multiplayer without having to go out of your way to arrange schedules to play with friends who don't necessarily work the same shift as you?
I think he meant you should go outside the house, not down into the basement to install Linux.
The games I am talking about are hosted by the players.
I've never seen a console game that allows the players to host the matchmaking servers, even if one of the consoles acts as the server once the game has begun. In the interest of user interface simplicity and validation of genuine copies, these games all rely on servers operated by the publisher and/or console maker for matchmaking.
Have you perhaps heard of emulation?
I have, and I use it. So does Nintendo for those games that publishers on its past consoles have made available in the Virtual Console section of Wii Shop. But not all such games are available for re-buying. How are most people going to turn their cartridges into ROM images useful with an emulator without going the illegal route of downloading dumps from the Internet?
But they'll be sure to make it extremely convenient for individual games to block this ability.
I'm guessing you haven't played many games, then?
If you can't convince them, convict them.
Just like linux support, I'm sure we don't have to worry about a future update disabling this feature.
Dude, sorry for your loss, but if your update is 3.55 or below, you can downgrade via software and get back otherOS, or use one of the more modern CFW with said feature... Cheers
When was the last time games came on cartridges? N64?
True, the last major set-top console to use cartridges was the Nintendo 64. But Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation Vita are currently for sale and currently use cartridges.
Rom dumpers are available
I was looking for brands. I know Retrode works with Super NES and Sega Genesis cartridges, but what works with NES cartridges?
nor do I see a problem with downloading games you already own.
The law does.
There are some laws we all break on a regular basis, this is one I would ignore.
If I build a PC for someone, and I recommend that the customer break the law to obtain games for it, I'm committing contributory copyright infringement. See MGM v. Grokster.
Dumping disks is much easier.
Even Nintendo's discs that use a slightly nonstandard physical sector format that a lot of DVD-ROM drives have trouble with?
I have the option to plug in game controllers.
But how many PC games will recognize more than one game controller? I was under the impression that most were intended for mouse and keyboard and a separate PC per player. And how many allow use of a controller during the first-time installation that you acknowledge "may take a bit"?
I can build a PC that will be able to play games of PS2 and PS3 quality for about $600.
You'd have to build one that plays games of PlayStation 4 quality for that price, because you can get a PlayStation 3 that plays games of PlayStation 3 quality for about $250.
You could still put all your old games in and play them if you didn't use the upgrade. Nothing was lost that you bought that wasn't done because of direct owner approval.
If you treat the system software update as something that people are expected to choose not to install, then the PlayStation 3 has no online play because Sony shut down PSN on April 1, 2010.
Except that the PS4's x86 AMD processor won't play old games
NES dumpers used to be far more common, you can still find designs to make your own out there.
Even if I, a geek, am willing to learn to solder, the sort of end users that enable economies of scale aren't geeks and aren't going to want to solder. They want to buy something that somebody else has already made, so that they can plug in the adapter, plug in the cartridge, push a button, and get a ROM file to play in an emulator.
You can dump a wii game using a hacked wii.
Which means you have to own the Wii in the first place, so why buy a gaming PC in the first place instead of just playing games on the Wii that you already own and doing everything else on a homework-and-Facebook PC or a tablet?
I just see a PC way more versatile than a console.
So do I, but I'm a geek. Most users are not geeks. How exactly does a PC's versatility benefit the average user in the living room? The average user expects a device connected to a TV to play video games, movies, and TV series, and that's pretty much it. The user doesn't expect to use a set-top device to surf, e-mail, tweet, or edit documents because a mouse and keyboard won't fit easily into the user's lap while in a recliner, nor can a user at a typical TV seating distance read the small text on web sites that target desktop PCs. Or if I have something all wrong, what am I missing?
Don't get me wrong; I want set-top PCs to become popular. But first I have to understand how to make them practical to a crowd accustomed to the limitations of consoles.
I can then though, take my existing setup, toss $400 at it every few years to keep up with the updated games.
Likewise, a console owner can toss a new console at an existing setup to keep up with new games.
'Tis a sad state of affairs that this would even be a newsworthy announcement when in the recent past, the ability to trade, buy, and play used games was the default anyway.
That said, to any publisher who has a product I might consider buying new, but who would do such an end run around First Sale and render a used game useless, I say, "Go fuck yourselves and eat a box of dicks. You lose the privilege of receiving my hard earned cash."
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They have said that the PS4 will have the ability to play used games, but they did not specify whether a new license key would need to be purchased or some other step would need to be taken first. All they said is that the PS4 hardware will physically be able to play used games. :P
A solitary person sitting around alone, nothing to do, fires up the PC and gets online to blast stuff with dozens of other people.
And these "dozens of other people" all too often end up blasting sexual and racial harassment and griefing right back at him.
A group of people get together in the same place at the same time, and when the question comes up "what should we do" the answer is "let's pull out the gaming console."
This happens often in households with children or at family reunions. Unless a game is rated M, children are an expected part of the audience, and parents not willing to buy each child his own gaming PC to create a home LAN are an expected part of the market.
I guess I'm becoming the last of my generation, haha. I haven't owned a television in four years so my PC as become my primary source of entertainment.
What kind of chair do you and others living in your household use to watch a two-hour movie at your PC desk? Perhaps a PC is a better entertainment choice for people who live alone, but what do you recommend for mom, dad, and ~2.3 children?
Not sure why I got modded Troll (well actually I know very well why and it kind of makes me sad) - I did actually go to the effort of installing YDL on the PS3 because I thought the idea was neat (surely that already pushes me into the vast minority), but came to the conclusion that it was effectively useless (it makes a raspberry pi look like a high end machine), even for decoding video (perhaps things matured later on in the PS3/Linux life cycle??). Using it as a 3D rendering node is a neat idea and one of few legit use cases (did it actually provide any real grunt?) I'd be interested to know what development work you were doing on the PS3 (were you writing code to target the ps3's weird cell architecture? Didn't think there was much call for that beyond ps3 development and you sure as hell wouldn't be doing that via other OS).
... sure they promised me something and then took it away - but really, I don't give a flying fuck.
I suppose I just figured that those with a legit use case (e.g. universities doing research into cluster computing), probably wouldn't be playing games on their systems and thus wouldn't feel compelled to update their firmware.
I've really enjoyed all the car analogies in this thread, but for me it's not like that - it's much more like Jersey Shore being cancelled halfway through a season
Thanks for pointing that out. I did know about it, but it was a little under a year ago they forced the update. Since I haven't turned the PS3 on in 6+ months it just doesn't seem worth the hassle. Besides I shouldn't have to jail break my own hardware to get features I bought with it back. I should just be able to use it the way I bought it. Instead I just decided I'm not buying Sony any more and I make sure everyone that asks me for my advice knows. My recommendation was responsible for at least 6 other PS3s sold before I found out the last person I recommend it to didn't have PS2 compatibility, after I had said it did. They said they didn't care about it since they still had their PS2, but I cared that I hadn't heard it was being removed. Then the Other OS was removed and I became militant about making sure others didn't fall into the same trap.
Nope, didn't work that way. The option was continue using Other OS, or lose games and BluRay functionality. Either choice takes away something that was sold with the system. I know because my cousin updated my console with a rented bluRay that wouldn’t play without an update and removed the other os from my system, which I used heavily. Go back and do some more research about the shitty situation Sony put their customers in. I'm surprised with all the ranting that you wouldn't have heard of it at this point.
Why do you need a gamepad?
Because a mouse and keyboard are considered too bulky to use with multiple players sharing a PC, even if your operating system does provide a raw input API for multiple mice and multiple keyboards. And because a lot of households have only one PC that the family shares. And because platformers have tended to be less satisfying to me when played with a keyboard than when played with a gamepad.
world of goo
True, something like Lemmings or World of Goo would work great on a PC or tablet because it uses a pointing device in the same way an RTS uses a pointing device. But not all genres are made for pointing devices. How would you play Mario or Mega Man, for example, with a pointing device?
I work for a scientific institute doing ocean research. When properly utilized the cell was extremely good for doing Ocean models. I do a lot of sea surface temperature, sea ice, climate, waves, tide and ocean circulation models. My work machine is now better than the PS3, but when I bought it it was significantly better then what I had, and it's extremely hard to get time on our HPC cluster, which was about the only other thing I could run the models on. With my PS3 I was able to just start it running on a Friday, go away for the weekend and have the model completed by Sunday night. Again the Other OS feature was a major reason I bought it in the first place. The worst part is things were really just starting to get good when Sony cut the Other OS out.
We all understand what Sony did. It's nothing like your awful car analogy. Everyone here understands what a firmware update is, and what you're describing ain't it.
You're free to hate Sony for any reason you want...but if you really used Linux for anything other than dicking around, you'd know that PS3 Linux was DOA for at least a year before Sony pulled the plug. That's on the community as much as it is on Sony.
Honestly, I'm much more concerned about the ability to lend games/buy used games than I am about Linux. I'm already disgusted by the lack of value in the console market (pay $60 for an incomplete game, then get nickle-and-dimed with DLC). I seriously doubt I will get a PS4 unless something drastic changes.
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
Fair call... You have a legitimate right to be pissed off.
What he said, after much consulting with his PR people is 'used games can play on PS4'.
That's a far different statement.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they left it up to the publisher to set the used game rights per game. Tied to only one console, tied to only one account, tied to one account but up to 3 consoles, disk must be in the console, no restrictions, etc.
Some little brats do that every Saturday to my office building. Seems to be just as popular a game as it ever was.
Most new games sold for PS3 today have features that are locked except for the original purchaser, unless you pay an additional unlock fee.
I'd prefer they just ban used games outright instead of lying about it.
Fool me once, shame on me...
Why anyone would trust these guys is beyond me.