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Why Working Remotely Needs To Make a Comeback
silentbrad writes sends this excerpt from a blog post about the history of working from home:
"Remote working has existed for centuries. And now is the perfect time for its comeback. ... Prior to the Industrial Revolution, goods were manufactured by contracting individual craftsmen who worked out of their homes. The merchant would drum up sales, and would coordinate the production with at-home sub-contractors. ... This all changed with the Industrial Revolution: production was centralized in factories and cities. For merchant capitalists, this made sense: it was cheaper and more efficient to produce goods in one place, with machinery. ... We've been in the Information Age for at least 25 years. We've made huge leaps in technology. Many of us would describe ourselves as Knowledge Workers: we don't work in factories, we work at desks in front of glowing screens. We don't make goods with physical materials, but rather things made out of bits. The great thing about bits + the internet is that the materials and means needed for production aren't dependent on location. But here's the funny thing: the way work is organized hasn't changed. Despite all these advances, most of us still work in central offices. Employees leave their computer-equipped homes and drive long distances to work at computer-equipped offices. ... CEOs, like Yahoo's Marissa Mayer and Apple's Steve Jobs, think that a central office fosters more innovation and productivity. I think they're wrong. We're still early in the research, but recent studies seem to dispute their claim. ... Managers have developed centuries worth of habits based on the central workplace. The hallmarks of office work (meetings, cubicle workstations, colocation) need to be seen for what they are: traditions we've kept alive since the Industrial Revolution. We need to question these institutions: are they really more innovative and efficient?"
I certainly feel I'm much more effective in the quiet of my own home vs. the open-plan chaotic environment called "the office".
I would agree with you if not for the growing trend of collaborative spaces in the IT industry. Sitting isolated in a cubicle and only talking to other people in meetings or the water cooler is no better than working from home and Skyping or talking on the phone. But a collaborative space and pair programming do foster innovation and rapid, high-quality software development. The social aspect yields interesting ideas that the individual would not think of on his (or her) own. Pairing (or at least having extra eyes around) tends to yield higher quality both from being able to have someone check for mistakes and the social pressure of not cutting corners when someone else is looking.
Seriously? After hundreds of years of finding the most efficient way to work together and get things done, the paradigm du-jour is to go back to the old way? WTF has this world come to.
I love it, I can't imagine going back. I like my hammock office, and every time I am forced to work at a desk or table, and can physically feel my mind cramping up. If that is innovation and productivity, count me out!
Don't get me started about my years facing grey half-walls feeling like someone was watching what I was doing behind my back. Gave me the creeps, and again, just made me feel uncomfortable working.
Hmm, the humour and sarcasm seem to have been be lost on you.
If you can do your work from home, it's probable that someone else can do the work from the other side of the planet. For less. So be careful what you wish for.
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We currently have this today already. If you are a contractor you can work from home almost every time, and are usually encouraged to. Just like the summary, the work was sub-contracted out.
What the writer wants is pay by the hour, benefits, and a whole list of other things that contractors don't get. Benefits can be calculated on a per hour basis. Contractors usually work on a per peice basis and for the most part the employer doesn't care what hours it takes them to do it, just as long as they can hit the agreed upon schedule. I think for this to work and be "fair" to everyone the people working at home would be on a per item work and not have benefits. Such as $10 per widget assembled, assemble as many as you like when you like.
Only the most anachronistic, self-absorbed, border-line sociopathic managers are against working remotely. Marissa Mayer, hint hint. It is a win, win for companies. Companies save money on expensive office space and employes have more job satisfaction resulting in less turnover further saving money for the company. Those managers concerned with "face time" are micromanaging, control freaks.
PBH like face time / overuse of mettinges & time tracking to the point of where 30mins a day is just time tracking paper work.
I think it depends on your office culture. I do phone tech support and can work remotely. Several of my coworkers don't ever drive into the office, several other coworkers work in other parts of the state and when we finish our transitional/expansion period (next 2 months or so), the goal is to have 10-15 people working remotely every day. I actually just had an email needing information to make sure our new VOIP setup will be compatible with everyone's home setups.
PHB's like face time / overuse of meetings & time tracking to the point of where 30mins a day is just time tracking paper work.
... then we can fill our staff with intelligent employees from India!
Recent analysis, i see...
Bring on the anecdotes!
If we get into a work at home mode you will quickly find that there are more crooks in business than honest owners. The will want supposedly performance based pay and they will find ten thousand ways to claim they must have more product for less money and deny completion and even hand out projects that simply can not be completed in the time allotted. Frankly crime and immorality control us a lot more than we admit. A simple example rests in how much energy would be saved if more people road bicycles to work and how much healthier they would be. Yet the hassle of locking and carrying locks and chains perpetually limits the use of bicycles. And industry simply drags on without making inner tubes that really are of any quality. Apparently we can not make a better inner tube than back in 1920 and forget about punishing bicycle thieves.
The point being that even a lousy system tends to perpetuate and crime is behind a lot of the reason that things are the way they are.
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I recall over the summer reading a piece in the Wall Street Journal (http://blogs.wsj.com/atwork/2012/07/13/working-from-home-beware-a-career-hit/?mod=e2tw)
Pointing to the fact that telecommuters aka people that work remotely are less likely to get promoted regardless of their productivity and work ethic.
Quite alarming
Work from home jobs are available all over the place. What planet are you on?
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What is this, a Japanese RPG? Can you possibly squeeze any more ellipses into that summary?
I've worked for 3 massive software companies that hire 10s of thousands directly or contractually, and they all have allowed remote workers for about 15 years. It doesn't matter if Apple and Yahoo don't, many companies that hire more in roles that allow you to work remotely(application development, support, implementation, training, marketing, etc) do allow the practices.
Apple wants to look cool with its giant campus and onsite amenities because it's fostering an image of oneness. It's also a company that people use as a stepping stool, like Google, Yahoo, SpaceX,etc. Your average company doesn't care and wants their employees to be happy enough to stay there for a while, and working from home is a huge benefit that fosters long term loyalty.
This is just a ploy by a bean counter to drive profitability. Milk that dead Yahoo cow for a few more milliliters, Collect big bonus from grateful faceless whoever's for the one last chance to sell this pig off, then on to her next gig raping honest workers for rich asshats who can't stand to lose their 15% projected gains.
lot's of contractors are contorted like employes
Productivity is not based on location of the workplace
as much as it is based on the person doing the work.
Only ignorant paranoid idiots want workers "where they can
be watched". I won't work for such fools.
As a manager, I can tell you that I need to spend some hi-bandwidth time with my people on a regular basis. I need that interpersonal time to interact with them, make sure they have what they need and the barriers to their work are pushed out of the way. There's no substitute for eating lunch with someone to really understand where they are.
Can I imagine a corner case where work can easily be done from home and the person doesn't need that time?
Sure, but this isn't how the team works as a whole and I need the team working, as a whole.
Even God says we should get together with him once a week face to face
The more you scare people.....the more they will pay.
There is a reason why working from home will not work. It is not costs, it is not any logical reason. Working from home removes that sociopathic control of managers to stand over your shoulder and monitor every minute of your day. Have worked in way too many places where that is the rule and not the exception. I have seen where control was more important than doing the job. Over the years I have seen more sociopaths in management more than ever before. These sociopaths need that direct measure of control over their people. Thus they will kill any initiatives to work from home.
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Working from home requires a certain work ethic.
Not all of us possess this.
I've also heard from friends who do work from home that they struggle to distinguish between work/home and personal/business. It seems that the physical acts of leaving for work and coming home from work are required for some people to be able to keep the two (mindsets?) separated.
I fancy the idea!
But the term 'returning' is like being trapped into a circle.
So, let's change the terms of what work defines...
If it only means to reduce the number of humans in the society.
And apply new enslaved labor forces by making a tough match of offer and demand...
Then, yes, we are returning.
But if you change the parameters... And imagine for example, people in the future working just for fun.
And having their needs available, working just to relate with others.
Then, to work at home would have a different meaning.
It would mean that those people have some sort of illness.
Mental or physical.
It is similar to going to the movies.
Who would go if one could have the same films at home?
So, money comes as an obstacle.
We should deal with it until a solution could pop up.
(I believe on that) Things happen.
I think the problem with centralizing knowledge work, especially something like software development which has a creative element, is not so much the remote versus centralized issue, as the kind of environment centralized workers find themselves in. There are definite advantages to bringing a team together to work face to face, even if the benefits are difficult to quantify. Where it goes wrong is a cube-farm office, which has all the disadvantages but few advantages, for example being an environment which is both isolating and impersonal and at the same time full of distractions from the nearby presence of your co-workers. What's needed is a better balance of interaction and isolation.
One big flaw in your argument is that the linked studies seem to focus on individual productivity. What about team productivity? I can definitely see myself producing more code if I worked in a more isolated environment, or whatever other metric you'd like to use, but I think my team's overall effectiveness would suffer. Note that we don't work alone in cubicles or closed offices, but at desks in an open environment as is common these days. It's hard for me to imagine a remote work environment -- even with chat and Google video hangouts constantly running -- that could match the free flow of ideas and information that we get from working right next to one another. The distractions to individual productivity are more than compensated for by being more plugged in to what other people are doing, which lets everyone make better decisions that save time in the long run.
I'm not sure why so many people are reacting as though there's a universally superior approach here. All teams and organizations are different. Having employees present at the office seems to work for Google, and presumably Mayer has good reason to think it will work at Yahoo as well. I'm sure there are also lots of big organizations where the opposite is true.
I just focus better in my tiny, half-walled cell at the office. There are a lot of people parading to my office for help with various issues and it's a fine thing for my boss to see that, too. I get lots of chances to work at home, sometimes without the kids, but there are many distractions. Who wants to tune a query or troubleshoot PL/SQL when there's an XBox sitting 10 feet away?
I worked for a year remotely from a new country, and by that time I was about stir-crazy from isolation, even as my day ended promptly at 3pm and I had so much time to have a good home balance. If you have flexibility, you should go into the office at least once a week to get that invaluable face-to-face interaction, and during crunch time switch to 80% in-office. Impromptu five-minute stand-ups with a project group are often essential.
because I certainly have no use whatsoever for networking. Nope. None. And getting pinged by 500 ppl per minute in IM because that's the only way to get ahold of me will never get old.
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Mayer had to do what is right for Yahoo! They have been stagnant for awhile, so - perhaps it is a proper change in management. I guess time will tell.
I work remotely (for the last year and a half) and it definitely has benefits but it also has drawbacks. There *is* something to working in an office with coworkers, but there is something to be said about working remotely (being out of stupid meetings, getting drawn into things, etc).
As a student with a freelance job at a mobile games company I regularly work from home in my spare time. It's convenient in periods where my schedule and educational work is hard to predict. But let me tell you - it's defenetly not the same as actually being present at the office. The reason is often "communication". Discussing hard-to-understand issues over a messaging service will never beat actually being next to colleagues who can talk, point and illustrate issues no text message never could.
This is even made worse when texting with people who has minor difficulties expressing them selfs via english. It's not that these people are bad at english at all, however minor typing issues is for me far harder to correct in my head than actually hearing them speak. Skype is sometimes used for larger meetings, however this is no optimal solution either as someone will always have connection issues, hick ups or simply hard to hear clearly.
So all in all even though it's entirely manageable working from home it just isn't the same and I prefer working at the office. Also I'm not sure I feel more creative and efficient at home? I guess it depends on the environment at the workplace.
If you spend most of your working days at home, you WILL be forgotten. There is definitely value in having a physical presence at your workplace, even if you spend the majority of your time at your desk. You'll still be seen in the hallways, you'll be physically there at meetings, if you need to talk to someone about an issue it's easy enough to do it in person with the subtle benefits of having your physical presence there as opposed to being on the phone/communicator.
People remember faces better if they seem them regularly. Work at home (at least regularly) and you run the risk of being forgotten for various benefits such as being picked for a promotion, or to go on a field trip (if you aren't sick of travel yet), and heck, people will like you more if you're actually there (people being the social creatures that they are), which has its own benefits.
The only exception would be if everyone else at your workplace works from home, and there's only a handful of people who need to physicall go somewhere to work. I know the writers on Ars Technica fit that description quite well. Otherwise you might be better off dealing with the drudgery of dragging yourself into work for its career benefits.
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You know those guys who start the day on youtube/facebook/ and only start to work when you nag them to death. If you don't they might do some "proof that I worked" BS at the end of the day? These are the guys who have to obey one rule and they cannot: be available between 9-5. Then you call, message, mail, call all numbers, all messengers, and the guy is no-where.
I have seen a complete telecommuting department of 30+ people ordered permanently to the office because a couple of these assholes.
That said: I work at 2 places at the same time. Since I don't have to prepare, make food (special diet, no take-out and soda machine for me), drive, socialise and all that, I can comfortably put 10 hours a day of coding/planning (infrastructure design, consulting with coders) on the table. I have an elliptical trainer and a garden. If my head is about to explode and I "only" have to read some specs or make a call, I walk/sit outside in the garden in natural light (tropics rule).
Now that is the good part. At one place my colleagues just don't get it. Communication is freakin' impossible with them. Even though the policy: code when you want/can, be available in business hours (US eastern 8-4). Guys don't answer mails, forget if you Skype/call instead, not on Skype sometimes for hours without notice (and messing up everything the night before in the GIT repos). It is just a mess...
So I think it is possible, it is good, but you simply have to screen the people and remove their rights if they fail to deliver/communicate.
If you are in software development an need to participate in planning/design (not just e.g. work on tickets on a ready product), then probably it makes sense to go to the office once a week to do some joint brainstorming. Maybe more. Depending. When people talk tech in the elevator, at the cafeteria, smoking area, gym, or etc ... good things happen. Ideas are born. When you just have a Skype call without using any presentation tool (whiteboard), then you feel the difference: it is not as effective.
The ADD ridden ones at least are (somewhat) forced to pay attention at meetings and at best can play with their phones, but if it is Skype, who knows what is on the other 4 screens. Worst experience : my colleague has his whole family screaming at the same time while we are having meetings. I am not talking a noise once in a while, or family arriving/leaving, but full time lunch serving and baby screaming all the way.
Most hated office things: 1. Half the room is cold, half the room is hot. Always, everywhere. 2. Morning chatter of yesterday's game, movie, news .. etc - fine, just do it outside if you see someone trying to work. 3. Asshole on speakerphone or asshole on personal call, calling 10th place to get new tires.... 4. food smell.. New rule: next time I have to smell your packaged paprika bacon-pork skin chips I can throw up into your hair..... If you touch my screen with the finger, I get to chop it off with a blunt cheese-knife.
I have to say I have severely mixed feelings on working from home. It's definitely nice on occasion, but as I see more and more of my coworkers working remotely and we're forced to use more workers in India it creates an environment where the entire feeling of teamwork is breaking down. Plus as an engineer I feel my single best tool for communicating many technical issues and designs is a marker board. Which cannot be used remotely. Even the engineers I have "locally" tend to be very green and need a lot of guidance, trying to lead them remotely just gives me a headache and things take far longer than they should.
This is an issue that's very important to me, personally.
I've relocated my immediate family far from all of our extended family for a job. It's a great job (Google), but the relocation has imposed some real hardships on us, and I'd very, very much like to be able to move back "home" but keep the job, working remotely. I came to Google from IBM, a company which has gone largely distributed, and I spent the ten years prior to joining Google working from home.
So I have both motivation to convince Google that I can work remotely with great effectiveness and experience to show that I have, in fact, done it. Further, Google has outstanding tools for facilitated distributed work... not only do we use Google Docs and Google+ Hangouts extensively, they're also integrated with each other and with Gmail, and Google Chat, and Google Voice. Plus, of course, all of our source control tools are well-suited to remote work, our code review and systems management interfaces are all either command-line or web-based (either works great remotely). It really is a world-class remote collaboration suite.
However, I've had to grudgingly admit that Google is right in its assertion that distributed work is less efficient, that remote teams move slower and accomplish less than co-located teams. I'm in the Boulder office, but much of my work has reached across site boundaries to include teams in Mountain View, San Francisco, Boston, New York and Zurich. And, as a result, I've ended up spending a lot of time in those cities (I'm in Zurich now) because it is so much more effective to communicate with people in person.
How do I reconcile the conflict? Was I just ineffective at IBM? I mean, there I was e-mailing Office docs and talking on conference calls. That had to have been even worse than at Google, right? No. Remote work can work, and very well, but it requires a massive cultural shift. The technology is there, and has been for a while, but what's lacking is the motivation to be willing to suffer the large cost of essentially re-training your entire company on how to communicate.
IBM made this shift because it was drowning in red ink and Gerstner decided a first step to fixing that problem was to eliminate most of IBM's real estate, and the resulting lack of office space led the company scrambling for solutions. IBM had decades-long task forces focused only on finding and addressing obstacles to remote work. There's no doubt that IBM's productivity did take a big hit during the transition, and it lasted for a long time. But IBM was at the same time fighting its way out from under massive internal bureaucracy, and the improvements from eliminating the bureaucracy papered over the problems caused by retraining. Another source of improvement was the fact that IBM built, at the same time, a whole new -- and very large -- services business, which was inherently distributed.
A key to IBM's success, though, was that almost everyone was pushed out of the office. The people who couldn't be productive working remotely ended up being slid out of the company, many in the course of a few layoffs. If you want to make remote work effective, everyone needs to be comfortable dealing with remote collaborators all the time, and by sending nearly everyone home, IBM achieved that.
Google, on the other hand, is already a highly productive, efficient company, one which doesn't really have massive layers of bureaucracy to clear out. As a result, any widespread transition to remote work would cause the company's performance to take a large hit, and not briefly. 5+ years, I estimate. I think Google could make the transition faster than IBM did, partly due to better tools, mostly due to better people -- not everyone, mind you, there were lots of highly capable IBMers, but there's hardly anyone at Google who is not highly capable. But it would take years and Google's apparent dominance notwithstanding, Google can't afford that.
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This article is obviously a reaction to Yahoo's actions, stopping the ability to work remotely.
But it's ignoring the real reason why Yahoo did so. Over time, Yahoo has grown vast and has accumulated a number of freeloaders who possibly were not even working, but were still being paid.
By pulling everyone in to work for a year or so, Yahoo can evaluate who they really have working. In technical terms, you can think of it like a garbage collector spinning up and cleaning out useless nodes...
In about a year after Yahoo has everything settled up, they'll probably re-introduce remote working.
More details on Yahoo here (my apologies for linking to a BusinessInsider article, a website that usually has little to do with business).
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When I used to work in-office, when anyone was under pressure to hit a deadline they'd tend to come in early - not for the extra hours but because they could achieve so much more without people coming up to their desks to ask them questions they should have sent in an email or filed a bug (so as not to arbitrarily distract the coder, who after politely listening would always say "file a bug" - but they never learn).
Eventually I began working from my new home 400kms from the office - and I found my productivity at an all-time high. As part of the deal (to placate my managers manager) I had to be in-office for a week out of every calendar month at my own expense (easily offset by cheaper cost of living 400kms from the city). While it was fun to catch up with people my productivity would always nose-dive. I would attend dozens more meetings than I would ordinarily be phone-conferenced in on, none of them particularly relevant to my work and they'd drag on forever. People would constantly be at my desk asking questions they somehow managed to file a bug for or hit me up on Messenger when I wasn't in the office. Office life seemed completely unproductive for anyone who was there to write code.
Now it looks like I may have to quit my job, as my managers managers managers manager has decided everyone needs to work in the office all the time, and I'm not relocating my family 400kms from the countryside to the city. You may have heard of the company. Her loss. Sadly, my loss too.
If it can be done remotely, then it can be done in a cheaper country for pennies on the dollar.
I am not defending the practice by the way. Just stating how it is and what the MBAs think. Why would I want to play something that does not need to be done here when I can get it done in India for 1/6th the price?
Things likes Sales that can not be outsourced easily can be done at the office anyway.
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I don't necessarily agree that everyone should work at home. I think some people need a professional environment to thrive.
Therefore telecommuting centers would be a great compromise. Places to telecommute that provide some common infrastructure for people to share. Cameras to remote observe workers. Scanners to mass convert paper to digital. Places that are within a mile of where they live; someplace you could bicycle to.
Yea that's a great idea and we will certainly consider it... now get back to your cube and stop wasting time. If we wanted hippie slackers to work from home that's who we would have hired.
The key, I think, to working at home productively (when you have kids/pets/toys/etc) is to have a completely separated part of your home designated for work.. could even have a separate front door if possible. This is pretty much what the government is expecting of self-employed folks who write off part of their rent/mortgage as a home office anyway. The colocation is a huge time saver and convenience, and is great for the environment. While especially in our line of work, the price of repeated context switches are huge, I'd argue that many workplaces don't do a very good job shielding us from these either. In a perfect world, employers should use half the money saved on monthly office space rent to pay for one-time home office accommodations, and for employee compensation/perks.
remote monks....well you get the idea... then Central Church Control...and all that.... my point being: dis ain't a new thang.
As a tech, you are quite welcome with the results you get from your Indian techs.
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Here's the thing about allowing employees to work remotely. It works for some jobs and *some people*. Clearly there are people who can work remotely and get lots done, usually even more done. These people have motivation and self-discipline. However, I don't know if you've looked around, but self-discipline isn't something that *most* people have. Given the chance they over-indulge in everything from junk food to credit to addictive forms of entertainment even while abstaining from all of these things would be in their own long term best interest. As a manager you certainly wouldn't want *those* people working from home.
So... a company that allows workers to work from home has to be able to say "no" to someone with no self-discipline. This is the *right* thing to do, but it's a potential mess for management. "Sue can work from home and I have the same job, same responsibilities, and same glowing employee evaluations as her, so why can't I work from home?" "Well, I don't think you'd actually function well in that environment." "Why?"
I'm not saying it can't work, but do you see how, as a manager, it's easier to just make everyone come to the office?
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I built a house with a large home office in it so that I could run my Internet based company from home. The city threw a huge fit, and said it needed to be built to commercial standards. Submitted new plans and they said that you can't live in a commercial structure! The American Dream is all jacked up.
The issue with the analogy the original poster of this story made is that people actually MADE physical objects at home. Also there is a significant social heirachical psychology factors about offices. If managers can't see people around them they don't feel they are managing.
Us peons were crammed into cube farms.
I'd actually consider going to the office if I had even a cube. I get to sit at a giant open table. Screw that.
Seriously, as base as it sounds - I'm sitting in one place, working, for at least eight hours.
I am not going to get up and run to the bathroom every time I have to scratch my balls or let out a loud belch.
Good thing I'm not a "knowledge" worker otherwise piracy and 3D printers would put me out of business.
But I do have co-workers who are often as helpless as small children.(I can't get this USB device working, The server isn't working, what do you mean I have the wrong IP address? ETC)
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Since people are all the same, there will be a single answser to any such question that will work better for everyone than the alternatives. People all need, and want, the same amount of face-to-face social interaction, and there is a single testable level of social interaction which will produce the best results for all the workers. Innovation and creativity do not in any way vary based on traits which might differ between people. So, for instance, if it's true that an autistic employee can maintain mental stability and productive work while working remotely and never meeting coworkers face-to-face, that will be true for all the other employees. And if it's true that someone with ADHD finds an open office space with other people doing other things nearby more distracting than empowering, it'll be true for all the other employees.
Note that there's at least some places that are solving this problem in a very different way: They provide shared office space to people who don't work for the same companies or on the same projects, so they can have the physical and social benefits of "an office" -- but one very close to them, and convenient to them. While still getting the other benefits of remote work. Or doing a small business thing that doesn't have other employees. This apparently works decently for some people.
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My colleagues and I are spread across at least half a dozen states and a couple countries and our manager is not within a thousand miles of three quarters of us. And his manager is 3,000 miles away from *him*. And we've managed in high stress, mission-critical, crazy-hour, professional situations for almost two decades, doing this. It gets easier and more productive, every year, too. Thanks to things like video conferencing, voice conferencing, web-ex style services, telephones, instant messaging, email, etc.
I find that the shitty attitude a lot of people have is simply because they don't personally think they could manage (or wouldn't be allowed) to work form home, so they think nobody else should, either. Unless you're assembling cars, building a house, or working at a cash register, there aren't really any knowledge-worker jobs that can't be done just as well or better, remotely, with proper use of the tools (think of the flexibility and extra time with no commute that people inevitably end up re-investing in spending far more than their 40hrs/week working).
I've been fortunate enough to work for awesome managers my entire career who have always taken the mindset of "I don't give a damn where you work, as long as you work". After my first six months in my first real career contract, I went to my boss one night and said that a family member was sick and that my family asked me to return soon as he could have weeks or months left, for all they knew. I told my boss I needed to move back home, a thousand miles away, and start working remotely.
I had a first class plane ticket that night, boarded the next morning, and was back home -- permanently -- by the next afternoon and have continued ever since.
If you're being paid to do shit work for shit wages, you probably need to be supervised. If you are a professional in a professional career, paid a professional salary, you should be self-reliant and accountable and everyone else should expect that of you, too. If you can't be trusted to perform on your own steam in your own office, then you shouldn't have been hired, in the first place.
Between chores begging to be done, cats wanting to be fed, kids coming home hours before the typical workday finishes, and a myriad of other distractions I find home is a terrible place to get things done. I take work home only when the distractions at work are worse than they are at home and that is rare, usually end of reporting period or something similar.
On the flip side being co-located with scores of other people we rely on to get jobs done is a real blessing in efficiency. People have a tendency to react slower to phone calls and ignore emails. Compare that to actually talking to a person face to face, or potentially running into them several times a day. This could be due to the collaborative nature of my work (engineer in industrial environment) where I rely and am relied upon for things to get done, but in any case not being at work makes these interactions much harder.
A 'Hitler' CEO, Machiavellian, Masochistic, Nefarious will always trump 'Remote Employees.'
Why ?
Pain etched on the face of employees.
Half height cubicles are the 'love child' of Hitler CEOs.
For the 'Hitler' CEO it is NOT job completion and success. No No.
'Hitler' CEO wants PAIN and the death of any employee ... who at the time ... pleases the ... 'Hitler' CEO.
Hitler CEO, "I will have you killed in 5 seconds or .... 15 years. Which is your pleasure ?"
What needs to make a comeback is people not thinking they know what is best for everyone. Sometimes I am more productive in the office, sometimes I am not. Depends on many factors, factors that can change from week to week.
I do IT work and we are all in cubes in a large room, including my boss (he's a tech, not a PHB). It really works better because when someone wanders in needing help, they can more quickly get routed to the person who can actually help them, when there's questions about something we can get them answered quick, and we can chat about ideas.
I find I really like it. It isn't perfect, of course, but overall I'd take it over us all being in individual offices, which we could have, if we wanted (most of us do have an assigned office to use if we need, we just don't).
It's a decent arrangement, but there are pluses and minuses. You get regular interruptions from your 1-year-old, but at the same time you get to see your 1-year-old so frequently -- and she gets to see you!
I do miss lunches with co-workers, though. On the day I go onsite, I'm usually too busy, packing in a week's worth of face-to-face meetings into one day.
We're in a rut. Managers think whatever pops up is so important that people need to switch tasks immediately. This is easier if people are co-located. The other part of the rut is meetings. 90% of them are pure wastes. Efficiency would leap if we worked apart and were left alone to complete a task or two without being interrupted. That said, I work better away from home. But a quiet space near home, a satellite office shared with others working for other employers, would be ideal. Jobs was wrong. People need to cross-germinate ideas, but then need solitude to develop their own. Apple made it big by focusing on products and the marketplace instead of cost-cutting and M&A. It had nothing to do with making everyone stay at the central office. If Yahoo's new chief succeeds, it will be because of focus, not forcing everyone to be in the central office all the time.
Please stop abusing the word 'professional.' Professional is not the kind of job you work, but rather how well you do it, low wage, or high wage, it doesn't matter. Low wage workers do not necessarily need more or less supervision or are of lower or higher caliber of character. Get over yourself.
shut up faggot..
All cubes is fine. All offices is fine. The worst is mixed cubes and offices with the offices being status symbols/badges of rank. That kills morale.
And the businesses tend to congregate close to the centre of the most crowded metropolises
and want their workers to work the same hours to cause the worst traffic congestion.
Go well
Decent software development requires a quiet, interruption free environment allowing full concentration. I can't think of anywhere more suitable than my home. If I'm to be measured on deliverables does it really matter where I produce those deliverables? Shouldn't I have the ability to decide the best environment? Why do managers with no software development experience get to decide the best working environment for me??
They don't understand how much better software could be if the developers had full concentration. Always charging good money for old rope, always allowing the bare minimum and yet they still pretentiously label themselves as competitive individuals. I just don't understand.
The 18 layers of managers wouldn't have anything to do if people worked from home. Many of them may be sacked. We can't be having that.
That's been the problem since way back in the time when people started being able to do the work remotelly.
In the mindset of your typical short-termist middle managers: if an "expensive" Developed Nation resource can do it from home, why don't we have it done by "cheap" resources living in Developing Nations.
In the end, the main competitive advantages of local resources are:
That said, a lot of these advantages do require in-person presence (at least some of the time), so as long as one can get 4x in a far away country for the price of 1x locally, those problems will be managed.
"CEOs, like Yahoo's Marissa Mayer and Apple's Steve Jobs, think that a central office fosters more innovation and productivity. I think they're wrong." ...but how is your own multi-million company doing with your remote workers?
Less sarcastically, are there any LARGE companies out there which are mostly comprised of remote workers and have both innovation and productivity? (I know some small ones do exist)
I telecommute and we have no actual physical office, our office is essentially virtual. It has a mailing address, but we save costs by not having an actual physical location at the moment and so far, it's working quite well.
Especially now that gas prices are on the rise again, I try to limit my travel to going to clients and handling special projects. Driving to an office just to drive out to customers is a bit redundant.
If there are couple of more floodings like in NYC recently, there will be no offices left. The world will probably sink into the New Middle Ages.
Working at least sometimes by telecommuting we reduce emissions during commuting.
It is much easier to move electrons around a city than protons. We are just to learn to move electrons efficiently.
"...The hallmarks of office work (meetings, cubicle workstations, colocation) need to be seen for what they are: traditions we've kept alive since the Industrial Revolution. We need to question these institutions: are they really more innovative and efficient?"
Innovative and efficient? No, but from the $20,000 professional tree trimming to the $800 Herman Miller chair you plop your ass down into every day, it sure as hell is profitable to many out there selling overpriced office furniture and leasing corporate buildings, which of course those businesses are bolstered considerably via corporate tax breaks for these expenses.
Not to mention commuting to a workplace (or school for that matter) has practically built the oil empire, and pretty much ensures our foreign dependency will continue.
Piecework at home is NOT the way id like to see the IT industry going.
And its an unfortunate truth that tightly integrated and collocated teams have much higher productivity.
I did her.
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Dilbert Fast.
Just fucking use it.
Just remove the meetings part and productivity will increase ten-fold.
In my experience, being able to walk across the aisle and ask your colleague a question is invaluable in team-based projects. Since all projects are team-based, working remotely should be discouraged. But perhaps I'm biased having worked on projects where team members were spread out between Asia (China/Singapore), the EU (Portugal/France), and the USA.
You can have your own pet hates and rail against common usage, but the word professional has as one of its meanings: "engaged in one of the learned professions". Your strange distaste for that particular meaning doesn't change the fact that it is a perfectly valid usage.
I've been doing enterprise software project management for 10 years. Here are my experiences with 2 ERPs and numerous other large-ish projects.
The open concept works for the very early period when you're collaborating with your business folks, figuring out the roles and responsibilities, the design, and the team. The more closed-in (and remote work) approach works much better in the build phase, when the contributors are most effective uninterrupted. This latter point is one reason, often, that ERP deployment teams are sequestored to a separate facility and not allowed to continue legacy support. Execs/management recognize that as a success factor. So, yeah, both sides are right. You need each environment for a different purpose.
I've been running worldwide projects for a bit as well, which is almost a perfect picture of work-at-home effectiveness because the foreign teams NEVER are in the office. Frankly, communications are extremely strained (misinterpretations from lack of body language and emphasis), balls get dropped often, and there is very little in terms of team culture. That latter point is huge to PMs who know what it takes to deliver stellar project products: a cohesive, fun-loving team.
Even celebrations, which I feel are crucial to keeping you star tech folks, are difficult if not impossible. Again, you're missing the team opportunity.
There was a concept I got the joy to work in at Purdue University (as an employee) where individual office cubes (no doors) were set in a star pattern around a common area with table. The common area was the visioning, planning, and design point. The offices were the concentrated, individual work centers. It really was a great environment. But they ran out of space and so the "pod" environment disappeared.
Lastly, managers have offices with doors for lots of reasons. Promotions, raises, disciplinary action, confidential executive discussions, constant phone calls and meetings (which many of you likely hate). All those, done in a public environment, are disruptive at best and acidic at worst. I never had one of those offices, so its not like I've got some vested interest, either.
If you're doing work anyone can do then perhaps it should be given to the person overseas who can do it for less.
I doubt someone on the other side of the planet can procure a security clearance. Working in a position that requires one is an excellent way to insure your position can't be easily outsourced.
And aren't necessarily worth having. It's two jobs in one. It's twice the responsibility for the same work.
Not everyone wants to be promoted. Sometimes the best job in an organization is the job you have. If the pay is right and the job is right why do you need to get promoted?
So looking at how Apple actually treats workers why would you expect any management innovation from them?
ha ha ha.
This is a joke, right?
I'll have cams in my office the day my CEO agrees to have a cam in his office.
"for a year or so" - well, that's all right, then! And now that the hundreds of remote workers affected know that it's only going to be a blip,
No, they dont. The point is to make anyone quit who wasn't actually working, which means they cannot know if or when it will resume.
Honestly the quality even of the AC's here at Slashdot has just gone in the toilet.
I'll let you have the last response since you can't comprehend what I am saying, so I see no need to read what you may have to say beyond this blatant misunderstanding you started with.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Why do the managers need to physically see their employees to determine if they are working or not?
A good manager does not.
But if you've ever worked a large company, a LOT of middle managers are not good, and not capable of really doing a good job of tracking people or of firing people that really need to go.
You also have the possibility over time of some corruption and favoritism, managers letting things slide for people they like.
That actually makes more sense as the reason behind the move, although it is a jerk thing to do.
NO. A "Jerk" thing to do would be to issue an edict that they had to cut back remote workers by 20% or something along those lines, allowing corruption or favoritism or laziness to determine who could still work remotely. A policy that says NO-ONE can work remotely is fair and non-discriminatory, cutting through layers of ossified corporate bureaucracy and doing a very real job of cutting waste.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Just an additional observation:
Although compensation is often used to measure one's sense of worth and appreciation and the word 'professional' used to associate a job as being more desirable than 'wage-slave'; I believe that the more accurate way of describing the issue is the passion of the worker.
If a person is doing what they love to do then it matters nill where they do it; more likely they will be more productive working remotely as it unbinds them from personal/organizational constraints (commute-time, structured hours,...)
If a person just hates doing their job then they'll be a slacker whereever they happen to be working from.
I found that spending a few days a week at the office and a few days at the house provides a good split. When I need quiet I can focus on things best at home and at the office I can casually chat with co-workers and keep up with what's happening.
-Xen
I find it way to easy to slack off. Your work needs to control what you get done. Far to easy to abuse. The abuse of the many will affect the productivity of the few
I'm probably the minority in this forum, but I would never ever get anything done if I worked from home. My boss told me that he was fine with me working from home on days when I have no meetings, lectures, etc. However, I always come in to the office anyway, because its a place dedicated towards work, rather than home which is not.
On the days of Hurricane Sandy, and the day of Winter Storm Nemo, I was forced to work from home. I am not sure how hard I or anyone was really supposed to work, but hopefully my boss' expectations of my productivity were in line with "try to debug something for half an hour, get frustrated, and play League of Legends the rest of the day."
Nothing against people who can and want to work from home. It's totally not right for me personally; I need a dedicated workspace.
Keep in mind that the writer uses precomputer era work spaces as a goto point for their case.. The comparison is significantly flawed when talking about your average computer based job...
To the point that "individual craftsmen" would work out of their homes: Many of these homes were offices for workers who were not part of the family unit. They would be town residents, or apprentice craftsmen. Even in pre-industrial revolution era the idea of office or work place existed. Interestingly, many modern craft oriented tasks still benefit from the same centralized working location. Can you imagine glass blowing being done remotely? What about carpentry? farming? If the idea is to return to small volume physical goods, output by a myriad of small shops, then removing the centralized office is fine.
It's also a *lot* harder in a cubicle (or worse, just tables jammed together like we have in our London office) to disable the overhead lights. Most offices I've been in are massively overlit.
Think of all the carbon we would avoid putting in the air if we didn't commute every day of the week. Telecommuting is green.
If you don't like the terms and conditions of employment, most of us are 'free' to leave. Then if you can, you can go make your own employment utopia using your rules.
... "When you pry the source from my cold dead hands."
Yes, your employer cares about your productivity and the value you bring to the bottom line, but they also care about exerting control. In the Middle Ages, the lord of the manor had a vested interest in exerting control over his serfs. Much of corporate policy is based on no more than this: everything from dress codes to dictating the tools you can use for the job. The executive class is fed conceits like they are the almighty job creators, and freedom is their right to grind the worker's nose into the grindstone, grind it bloody and raw. Why do you think they dictate everything from whether you can grow facial hair to having to wear a tie to sit in a cubicle interacting with almost no one?
On vit, on code et puis on meurt.
are centralized above and beyond efficiency in production, despite the fact that knowledge workers can be sent work digitally and we have high quality teleconferencing if you really need "facetime" (Fuck you, Apple!), they still wake up, put on office clothes, and commute on average 45 minutes to their workplace to do a job that can be done from anyplace in the world. It's about disciplining and control of labor by the bosses. They can make you work at the pace they want you to, regulate your movements, and make you abide to any other policies that they see fit. Hell, if they let them have some autonomy by letting them work at home, they might get the crazy idea to work on their own projects and go independent, taking away profits from Father Corporation that they deserve. Y'know...actually innovate!!!
I'm a freelancer. The first company I did regular work for had some serious issues that having us all in an office would have cured--for example, one of the other coders needed a great deal of attention from the lead programmer, and I'd have a minor question or need fifteen minutes of assistance, and he'd be busy with that coder and never get back to me, thus leaving me to figure it out on my own, which unnecessarily wasted time. He wouldn't have done that had I been right there in front of him. The company I work for now is a lot better, but we're seriously contemplating my relocating there because there are many occasions where it would be much, much easier to be in the same room. I don't have small children, but there are days when it's really hard to concentrate, and it's definitely harder to differentiate between "my" time and "their" time because the home and the office are one and the same. There are times I don't work as efficiently as I would if I had a regular schedule of going to the office because I'll just work later, but then there are times when the fact that I can roll out of bed straight to the code and stay there until I'm ready to go back to bed is absolutely invaluable. I can live in sweats and nobody cares, and I definitely eat a lot better because I'm getting my food at home instead of going out for lunch. I agree with the poster that said there's really no correct answer--it's what works best for the individual company. If I do end up relocating, I'm definitely going to miss the much lower cost of living where I am now.
What lies at the root of business's fear of remote work? Mismanagement, as effectively demonstrated by Yahoo. If you don't evaluate the work and productivity of employees on site and off, then you're pooched. If you can't manage the internal whining and pining and battles between those who work onsite and off, you're pooched. All of this comes down to management. Do I personally think you can work effectively and productively offsite? I've been doing it with stellar results for 5+ years as a software developer. I've also had the displeasure of being a member of a cubicle-farm. I felt like livestock and every comment that everyone here has posted on the subject that describe the follies is one hundred percent accurate.
I think the reality is this: many people could work from home effectively some large percentage of the time if management could get their act together to make it happen rationally. Therein lies the rub: working from home is dependent on having a competent, non-childish manager.
Also, make no-bones, I've seen little mention of it here, but jealousy plays a massive role in preventing work from home situations. I've had co-workers in tears in the manager's office because I "get to work from home" and they don't. I've had run-ins with managers wherein you could sense that they themselves were jealous of the setup. "Who does he think he is? I have to come in to the office everyday and manage! He doesn't? I'm his boss! And besides, managing him from home makes my job even harder!" Actually, no it doesn't. It just holds you more accountable because you now have to evaluate my productivity more proactively. So it makes you actually perform one of the baseline functions of your job. How'd Yahoo get into a situation where its got "many" people on its payroll who don't do anything but collect a paycheck from home? Mismanagement.
You sit alone, nobody to talk to, no breaks and after workday you are still in the same place, staring at the same screen and feeling totally exhausted. It sucks. This is why I try to avoid working from home. Work and home should be separate.
When I'm at home, I don't want to be working. And why should I save money for the company - will they pay me at least part of the difference to work at home, that they're not paying for office space?
Now, I vehemently object to the assininity of "open plan" office space - that's for managers who want to watch you at all times, to make sure you're typing (I actually had a VP once that did that, on occasion), ignoring one of the first things you learn on your college orientation: find somewhere *quiet* to work.
That said, I want it all taken care of for me - they provide me a place to do work for them, anyway.
And I read in the trade press, over 20 years ago, when I didn't think many companies allowed telecommuting, that most of those that had the most experience with it really, really wanted the employees in, in person, at least one-two days a week, not just for meetings, but for the water cooler conversations that turned out to be *very* important, and would never have occured if you weren't there to hear a conversation going on....
mark
My company is 100% virtual in the U.S., we only have physical offices offshore. This is the "new normal" in the Digital Interactive Space.
A lot of what you consume on the Internet is built all across the globe. It's not unusual to have the design done in the U.S., the animation in China, the Flash widgets in South America, the core logic in Eastern Europe, etc. You can't manage these projects working 8-5 -- you need to be online for a wide range of hours, and expect to have to get up at odd hours for meetings. You simply can't do this out of an office, and as a result most of the staff works from home.
It is a huge draw for new employees to be able to work from home, with zero commute costs, zero dress code costs, and the result is far less politics than you get in an office.
The rest of I.T. will catch up to this, sooner or later. With the cost of communication near zero, and a global work force, it is inevitable.
Murphy was an optimist
It's a mentality, not a skill set. Either you take pride in your craft, and actually enjoy doing it, or you work hardest at being teflon, avoiding work, causing trouble, trying to manipulate people, or demonstrating the size of your precious ego to anyone who will listen. Those of us in your camp will never understand the majority in the other camp - nor will they understand us.
Your manager came from these ranks, s/he is a rare breed indeed.
Murphy was an optimist
The reality is that if your job can be done cheaper elsewhere, it will be outsourced, as the cost of communications is near zero.
Not because corporations are evil, and hate people. Corporations represent an investment, and the goal of an investment is to return value to those who invested. If all of my competitors are using offshore labor, and I am using U.S. based labor, I won't have any customers because my prices will be higher. People with loudmouthed, emotional ideology, interestingly enough, want to pay the lowest price for the greatest value. If you don't believe me, take a drive by the local Wal-Mart. What people SAY and what they DO are not always in harmony. Punish these corporations, by forcing them to hire U.S. employees, and the global marketplace will simply move elsewhere.
Accept this reality or end up in the fast food or retail service industry. The case your making does not fit the numbers, and business is a numbers game.
Murphy was an optimist
I think you meant "Minimum stipendium, posside simiae."
Although that's a pretty harsh view of other humans, even if they are the predatory end of the labor-arbitrage business.
I've been working at home for 10 years, I run my own company and have workers spread all over the country, most of them also working at home while some of them dedicating spare time on their day-job offices to short-term projects on my company and other projects of their own.
The electricity bill at home is bigger than my neighbours' houses but I don't pay for any office space. My only office expense is a virtual office worth 40 USD a month.
I have spent all those years trying to convince other companies and government people this is the only solution to city pollution and traffic but they seem not to understand a single bit of what I explain. Seems like it's the time for a big foreign company to com and tell them exactly the same facts and explainations to make them understand.
I try to aviod traffic as much as possible and only visit the city twice a month in low traffic hours, but 8 million people spend 5+ hours on traffic every day moving from home to work and back. The money invested in building second-floor and third-floor highways could be better invested in geothermal facilities to produce enough electricity for having most of them working at home in their own towns.
It is mostly true that those without kids/dogs will be able to get more work done in less time at home, that really only applies to non-thinking work.
If, on the other hand, work is of a creative nature, problems are being solved, and collaberation is beneficial, then working outside of the group would be an extreme detriment, and repair of office condition is preferable to the destruction of workplaces.
Working from home or working remote is not the issue - bad management is bad management, they just blame the workers, and the ones they can't see are usually the first to get it...
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It's a personality thing, but for me, I can't be productive when I work alone at home. Having people around me stimulates and motivates me. I need the random office interaction to maintain my sanity. I also think for many creative projects group interaction is highly important. I need the office environment.
But some types of work, and some types of people, work much better when they can be isolated and focused. These types of workers, need to be given more options for working at home.
When people worked at home before the industrial revolution, it was normally piece work - you got paid based on what you produced, so there was no need to monitor or manage them. Any office work that can be paid like piece work moves to the home very nicely. Wage work and salary work doesn't translate as well unless the manager has a large amount of trust in the worker which tends to be the exception and not the norm. And if the manger lets one person work at home, but not others, it's gets very sticky trying to say "I trust Sally to work at home, but you Bob, I don't trust, so you must come in so I can watch you!". It opens a can of worms that most companies just end up staying away from which is why we don't have see more telecommuting in salaried office workers and might never see unless our technology is able to create a virtual office environment where manages can keep an eye on people, and walk around and have casual random chats with them as needed.
Why do you live so far from work?
Calling for major tax breaks to move within a 5 minute commute.
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