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Barnes & Noble Founder Wants to Take Retail Division Private

The times haven't been the kindest to B&N: retail sales are down and the Kindle is outselling the Nook. Joining Best Buy and Dell, B&N might be going private. From the article: "Barnes & Noble’s largest shareholder, Leonard Riggio, made an offer Monday to buy out the struggling company and take it private ... Essentially, it would split the company in two: one half would be Riggio’s private brick-and-mortar stores and related assets, the other the publicly-traded Nook and college bookstore management division."

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  1. Blame the market bulls ... by oztiks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Public companies are getting abused on the stock market so bad being private means they can actually run the business properly without having to worry about squeezing to make every Q more profitable according to analyst projections and "expected" profits.

    Apple should do the same but having 1bn outstanding shares at $400 a piece means even their whopping $130bn in the bank wont even save them from the onslaught.

    1. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by peragrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The trick is wall street MBA and EMBA's are basically stripping companies bare destroying assets for short term goals, and personal profits.

      Take Circuit city. The MBA's backed by wall street stripped the company to the bones, stole all the cash and pushed it into bankruptcy.

      After a bad year(2008) and falling stock prices circuit city management came up with a plan to cut expenses by $10,000,000 over the next 3 years. They fired the top 3,000 salesmen and hired 2,500 fresh salesmen in the summer of 2009. Wall street bounced the stock back up, and management paid themselves $5,000,000 in bonuses for that year.

      2009 ended with predicitably even lower sales.(firing your best salesmen does things like that).

      6 months later it was completely gone.

      Wall street supports and and encourages self destructive behavior. Wall street isn't about long term investing any more. It is about millisecond long trades taking up 75% of all trading volume.

      Seriously if wall street cut HFT for one day the volume would collapse.

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    2. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That only happens with companies that are failing anyway. Its in nobody's interest to destroy a thriving business, or at least one that is worth more alive than dead. What people fail to understand (hence Obama's ads about Romney at Bain) is that capitalism is as much about failure and loss as it is about success and profit, and that's a good thing.

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    3. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by Nemyst · · Score: 2

      Yes. See Valve as an example of a company which has never had to bow to idiotic stock market investors, allowing them to make actually sound business decisions. Now every publicly traded gaming company, bar maybe Activision, wants to be in their shoes.

    4. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by CncRobot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Close. Its the SOX rules, amongst others, that are killing a lot of public companies. Where I work we had public bonds before SOX became law and after that the quickest we could we got rid of them so we don't have to follow those rules.

      Of course after the story of MF Global and Corzine, I'm not sure why they bothered to pass SOX if they won't enforce the law in a textbook example of someone breaking it.

    5. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by ahabswhale · · Score: 2

      But Apple doesn't give a shit about the stock market. It's why they have such a ridiculously low p/e in spite of how successful they are. It's the market's way of saying "You're a bad...Apple!!" It's one of the things I give kudos to Apple for...telling the fuckers on Wall Street to go fuck themselves.

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    6. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by trout007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What else are you supposed to do with those Trillions of dollars the Fed loaned you at zero interest?

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    7. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That only happens with companies that are failing anyway. Its in nobody's interest to destroy a thriving business, or at least one that is worth more alive than dead.

      [Citation Needed]
      More importantly, you are making assumptions about what is and isn't rational behavior from your perspective.

      From the perspective of a corporate raider:
      Mortgaging a healthy company to the hilt and then selling off its assets is wildly profitable.
      They don't want to run the company and earn a respectable return on investment.
      They are not in it for long term profits.
      They want X00% return on investment within a few years and they can get it.

      Different motives and different agendas leads to different 'rational' behaviors.
      Hence regulation to reign in the more destructive, yet completely rational, actors.
      There was even a /. story today which showed us that 'rational' behavior is not a universal constant

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    8. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The catch is "worth more alive than dead" --- the investment class making the decisions only cares about the fraction of worth *to them,* not to the economy and all stakeholders as a whole. Thus a company that is doing perfectly well --- able to maintain high employee pay, solid pensions and benefits, and still turn a profit for the investors --- will get killed if it will funnel more money into the pockets of the rich (even if the total economic value to everyone is lost).

      For example: if a currently profitable company has a big pension fund saved up to pay out to retirees, corporate raiders will load the company up with debt, funneling all its money to "contractors" and "consultants" until they are "forced" to dip into the pension funds to keep the company afloat. When all the assets are gone, tell the workers and retirees "sorry, we're bankrupt!" before cruising away on your new yacht.

      Killing thriving companies is also useful for breaking unions --- one profitable, strongly unionized corporation in an industry will drive up wages and benefits even for non-union competitors (by competing for skilled workers). Thus, the investing class will want to drive the unionized company into the ground --- at least long enough to win major concessions, if not outright dissolution, from the workers. Then it's profit for everyone else at the top.

      Killing off a thriving corporation may also be cheaper/easier than integrating it through merger/acquisition when a bigger corporation wants to buy off a competitor to assume a more solid monopoly position.

      In all these cases, "worth" to the economy as a whole is destroyed if all stakeholders are counted (especially employees and customers) --- but so long as more money ends up in the pockets of the super-rich, it's a "win" for the decision-makers.

    9. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2

      But the alternate side is that the $130 Billion isn't Tim Cook's money., its stockholder's money. Apple did just fine for most of a decade on a mere 30-40 billion in cash. There is no "reasonable" way Apple can spend that much money. They would have to go YEARS without sales, or go on a crazy spree and buy Microsoft or Sony... Or some other small failing company, they'd have too much change from Yahoo... Apple shouldn't have that much cash because it makes them too easy for lawyers to shake down, or the government to fine.

      It's the Shareholder's money and maybe they want to spread it around... How much interest is Apple getting on that??

      The problem is unlocking the money that's intertwined in foreign accounts to get around the taxman. That's why the complex schemes.

      Microsoft spent half a decade pissing away its biggest profits on the CEO's poor management and "take over the world" projects before they started shelling out dividends. Microsoft just used the Shareholder's own money to cover their poor performance for 5 years... And stocks went down anyway.

      Considering Apple could easily pay out $10 per share, per year right now before STARTING to make a dent in their cash pile, that is $10 million a medium size institutional investors could use to bankroll NEW companies.... For effectively free. Every year.. Returns are WAY better doing that.

    10. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Not quite.

      ..or you make short term gains and run the company into the ground. no matter what, you lose.

      That's hardly considered "losing" among executive management.

    11. Re:Blame the market bulls ... by oztiks · · Score: 2

      Small dispersions of money to shareholders shouldn't be an issue, though I'm sure AAPL does the dividend thing, more so it's the buy back of the shares which is what they are pitching and if your key asset is money you might have a problem. I.E you have $175bn in assets and $130bn of that is greenback. Lets look at loose figures here ... (no means perfect mind you)

      You have an annual revenue of $150bn and an asset base of $175bn the market cap is supposed to define the companies total worth stock volume x stock value = marketcap. Apple has a marketcap of $420 billion and $150+$175 is off by about $100bn, so lets consider the $100bn difference being calculated as expected growth, I.E what analysts say.

      So say you take their key asset "their cash" and you buy back shares, you do that expecting to drive the share value up right? Unfortunately with AAPL it may not be the case because you could get stuck over inflating the share price with nothing under it, causing the value of the shares to do quite the opposite. The concept of future trading (P/E ratio, etc) is based on 12 months of projected annual growth, AAPL is only growing the money, not the physical assets which are supposed to yield a higher ROI than what money would, I.E money generating assets.

      If Apple had an asset base that was of similar size or greater than it's cash, then no issues it only makes sense to buy back the shares, but it seems the market is hell bent on killing them so they can do it all over again.

      So if Apple loses to Einhorn it could establish a catastrophic legal precedent that could screw the AAPL stock.

      If AAPL holds on to the money without creating assets that could also screw AAPL stock but again to my bulls hatred, the market wants to control how the mountain is pushed over, that way the ones in the right place and right time can jump ship or short sell when the going is good.

      Maybe its my own personal feelings saying this but I think AAPL holding on to the cash is their way of showing who's got the upperhand.

  2. Online ALL THE THINGS! by girlintraining · · Score: 2

    It seems like the trend to buy and sell everyone online continues to gain steam. Many stores from Blockbuster to Best Buy, from computer resellers to water purification systems... it seems like if you can get away with not having to touch or interact with the product in person before making a buying decision, that's what people are doing. In droves. One of the few retail areas not significantly affected has been women's clothing. Men, being of somewhat more predictable shapes and sizes, can buy jeans and such online, but women have no such luck. Even here, however, basics like bras, tank tops, t-shirts, shoes, etc., are being displaced by online sales.

    It does not surprise me that books are on the list of things people don't need to go to a bookstore to purchase -- most books are purchased based on the recommendation of friends, word of mouth, or reviewers (which, surprise -- print media is giving way to online media...). This is not a good time to be a retail book seller... Barnes and Noble will soon be displaced by Walmart and their ilk; Stores that only sell books won't be around for much longer if they're publicly traded... they'll just be broken up and sold off piece by piece, their valuable commercial real estate being repurposed and the stock thrown out in massive going out of business sales, or simply deposited in a dumpster.

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    1. Re:Online ALL THE THINGS! by NevarMore · · Score: 2

      , basics like bras,

      You know nothing about womens undergarments and how complicated they are to fit and take off do you?

    2. Re:Online ALL THE THINGS! by trout007 · · Score: 2

      Last time I was in B&N I saw a whole aisle marked "Teen Paranormal Romance". I pretty much knew it was over.

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    3. Re:Online ALL THE THINGS! by DavidTC · · Score: 2

      By 'it', do you mean Barnes and Noble? In which case I would suggest you're exactly backwards. If there actually I a genre that is selling, that's great for B&N.

      If by 'it' you mean 'society', then yes. Yes it is.

      I am the last person to judge people for the sort of fiction they enjoy. Especially fantasy. (I was a flipping Buffy fan. And a Harry Potter fan.)

      But, honest to God, half those books are total crap. That genre is the...the...the new 1920 pulp sci-fi. Except with more sexism and crappier characterization and dumber story-telling.

      And putting _more_ sexism in a book now than back then in 1920-1930s quite a trick. Especially when most of the damn writers are themselves female. Just...wow.

      And unlike pulp sci-fi, this isn't some sort of new genre attempting to figure out what it wants. The romance genre already exists! The fantasy genre already exists! Both of them know how to aim at teenagers! There are plenty of 'teen paranormal romances' that long predate this slush that were pretty good.

      But then goddamn Twilight came along and proved that anyone will buy any piece of crap. And thus pieces of crap were dutifully produced. (Or, rather, _shelved_. Crap books have always been produced.)

      But I'm glad they ended up on their own shelve. All too often they end up cluttering 'urban fantasy' or just fantasy in general. (Hell, last time I was at B&N, they had sci-fi and fantasy together. Seriously?)

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    4. Re:Online ALL THE THINGS! by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

      They should just call it the "Vampires and Intense FEELINGS" category. Or maybe "Angsty Confused Female Surrounded by Scary Man-Critters."

  3. B&N Also need to get "with the times" by inflex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If B&N want to improve their chances of success in the online/eBook market, they really need to sort out their PubIt side of matters. Currently unless you're in the US, or have gone through the extensive red-tape to obtain a US business cred, you are not permitted to get on board with directly publishing via PubIt. Conversely, Amazon and Kobo both allow international publishers to work directly through them.

    While small publishers outside of the "Big 6" don't contribute a lot financially, as individuals there are however many many thousands of us, and a lot of our potential readers do have Nook units.

    TLDR; B&N (PubIt) needs to be open for international publishers.

    1. Re:B&N Also need to get "with the times" by dido · · Score: 2

      That's only half of it. They don't even seem to be open for international customers. As much as I'd like to get ebooks from B&N, the Nook app isn't even available outside of the US, whereas the Kindle app is. I downloaded the Nook app while I was in the US when I bought an Android tablet, intending to try to use it when I got home. Well, it never worked properly then, and uninstalling it and then trying to reinstall showed that the Nook app vanished from Google Play. And so I installed the Kindle app and now Amazon gets my money instead. Nicely played.

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  4. Re:Is it really news for nerds or stuff that matte by timeOday · · Score: 5, Interesting

    B&N is a company that valiantly strived to make the transition from bricks-and-mortar to the Internet, just as we are constantly chiding outmoded companies like Kodak for failing to do (or the RIAA for actively fighting, when it comes to music). By releasing the Nook line of e-readers, B&N took a leap into leading the transition of print publication away from paper. I for one bought a Nook for my daughter a couple years ago, and she reads on it all the time. Yet still they are gradually falling by the wayside, like all the other big booksellers that pre-date the Internet. For all we blame top management for failing to make the transition, re-inventing a running company seems to be all but impossible.

  5. Re:I don't understand by Daetrin · · Score: 2

    It's not just that, but the Nook and the brick and mortar stores have at least _some_ synergy together. The one thing Amazon doesn't have is a physical storefront where you can go browse books. I will on occasion go to B&N, browse through the shelves until i find a book i like, and then buy the ebook on my Nook if the price isn't too bad. There are definitely ways that B&N could work on encouraging that relationship.

    They could add a cheap camera to the Nook tablet (at least i don't think it has one already?) so you could scan the barcode of a book and have it take you straight to that page on the B&N site so you could purchase it right away without having to do a search. Maybe they could start stocking "preview" versions of books, a thin thing with the first 20 or so pages of a book so you could sample it and then scan the barcode if you liked it. That would let them pack a lot of books into limited shelf space and maybe eliminate the problem where you find something that looks interesting, but it turns out to be the third book in the series and they don't have the first two in the store.

    But if you split the two companies then you've got a brick & mortar store that's going to struggle alone in the same market that Borders failed in, and an online store and ebook device that will be going up against Amazon and the Kindle alone with no clear competitive advantage. (Aside from geeks like me who like _slightly_ less DRM and companies that haven't gone insane with patenting everything that moves.)

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  6. Expect a much smaller B&N by erice · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the news bits omitted from TFAs but included in the BBC article is this:
    The firm plans to shut a third of its stores by the end of the year.

    and

    Barnes & Noble was originally a New York bookstore, which Mr Riggio bought out the branding rights to in the 1970s, before building out a successful US-wide chain.

    Keeping a giant money losing company going would seem to be hopeless. I would expect that Riggio would reduce B&N's presence to only a few stores that he is sure can survive. Essentially save the company he started by sacrificing the behemoth that it has become.

  7. Re:I don't understand by fast+turtle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody caught this but what I see is he's simply doing a land grab. All of the real property (stores and such) is worth quite a bit of money and he wants it all for pennies on the dollar. If he's successful, those physical locations can then be sold off for 10-100x what he paid out to take the company private. Very nice profit for him.

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  8. Horse shit by DogDude · · Score: 2

    Horse shit. It's not just "MBA"s and such making these decisions. It's everybody. Every Joe Blow who buys a stock or a mutual fund is interested in one thing: return. Let's not pretend that average people investing for their retirement are interested in making less money for the sake of, say, treating employees well or making ethical business decisions. The problem is the whole system of public companies in the US. Corporations have all of the rights of actual people, with none of the liabilities, and the owners of said public companies (every stock/fund holder) are completely and entirely divorced from anything the company does other than earn profit.

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  9. When they came for... by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 2

    When the music industry switched to digital distribution, I was quiet for I wanted to download music.

    When the games industry switched to digital distribution, I was quiet for I wanted to download games.

    When the book industry switched to digital distribution, I despaired for I did not want digital books.


    Not having grown up consuming book content on computers, but playing games and music on them, many of us are caught in the absurdity of supporting digital in many forms and rejecting it in others. Those younger than us will have fewer qualms as they learn to consume all content digitally.

    I guess I'll just go ahead an complete my transition to grumpy old man with a hearty "You kids get off my lawn!"

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    1. Re:When they came for... by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 2

      It's not digital books that are hurting Barnes and Noble (and previously killed competitor Borders). E-books are a successful sidebar, and will very likely continue to grow. But the biggest threat to brick and mortar stores like B&N are online retailers like Amazon, and not even their Kindle offerings.

      That bothers me more than anything else, really. I'm fine with digital books, movies, whatever. I've spent too many hours packing and sorting my dead tree book collection, not to mention finding places to put it all, to mythologize the format itself. But the best books I've ever read, I've found as a result of browsing the aisles at places like Barnes and Noble, and, before them, local retailers. That's an experience Amazon hasn't managed to duplicate, and they're considerably better at trying to do so that 90% of their online peers.

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  10. Re:Local by only_human · · Score: 2

    But they are thinking about transitioning away from building Nooks too:
    Barnes & Noble Weighs Its E-Reader Investment

  11. Re:Costco by DavidTC · · Score: 2

    That's because Costco pays fucking dividends so people who own the stock make a share of the profits.

    Ah, investing money in a company to make a cut of the actual profits of the company, an insanely novel idea of corporate ownership that might just catch on one of these days. (It is the 1300s, right? I think my computer's clock is wrong.)

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  12. Interest rates are too low. by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What fuels "going private" are two things - low interest rates, and that interest paid by companies is deductible. "Going private" really means "leveraged buyout".

    Companies can pay for their capital through dividends to stockholders through stock buybacks which push up the stock price (or compensate for dilution through stock options), or by paying interest. Only the first is taxable.

    Tax policy and "quantitative easing" (i.e. central banks lending money at very low rates) fuel leveraged buyouts. Without those factors, "going private" would be a very rare event.

  13. Good riddance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The last three times I was in a B&N, I couldn't find the book I was looking for. Oh, they could order it, of course. The hell is the point of that? I can order it, through my Magical Intertubes.

    It's not just bookstores, however: I've been disappointed in every category of store you can think of; failing to find the products I seek.

    There's little sense in wasting time, gas and aggravation. The savings in all three more than make up for the slight delay and cost of shipping.

  14. Re:Costco by slew · · Score: 2

    FYI, The founder of Costco (Jim Sinegal) retired as CEO in January 2012. Although he remains on the board of directors, the reigns have been passed to another insider Craig Jelinek...

    Lest you think Costco is all about bucking Wall Street, you should know that they borrowed (yes borrowed) $3.5Billion (with a 'B') to pay out a special dividend to shareholders ahead of the tax increase that is scheduled to take place this year. This typical short term Wall Street manuever no doubt just transfered almost a billion or so from the US treasury to Costco shareholders (and probably didn't do much to help the employees or customers who as taxpayers will be forced to help fund this manuever).

  15. Re:I don't understand by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's actually the only reason we got some of my elderly relatives a Nook rather than a Kindle. Their eyesight isn't very good, and ebook readers are a nice way of reading reading books with zoomable text, with much better selection than traditionally available in large-print dead-tree books. But they aren't very skilled with technology either, so feel much more comfortable having a local store they can go to to buy the books, where someone loads them onto the device, rather than having to DIY it over the internet.

    If the Nooks don't continue to be connected to the brick-and-mortar stores, it loses that advantage. Perhaps it's too niche to matter, though. Alternately, perhaps they'll keep up some kind of cross-service agreement even if the company is split.

  16. Re:Is it really news for nerds or stuff that matte by femtobyte · · Score: 2

    Paying as much or more for ephemeral e-books than physical hardcover editions is a scam, no matter whose e-reader you use. But I love my Nook --- it's a perfect platform carrying around a load of free books (from, e.g., Project Gutenberg, or my own reference compilations) to read on long trips. Battery life is great, screen quality is nice (better than the lowest grades of pulp paperbacks, though with room for improvement compared to a quality printing). I've got the silly WiFi "store" turned off, since I never intend to fork over extortion fees for overpriced, DRM'd novels.