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Dad Hacks "Donkey Kong" - Now Pauline Rescues Mario

H_Fisher writes "What do you do when your daughter wants the girl to be the hero of your old video game? If you're Mike Mika, you hack the game ROM to reverse the roles. He even changed the 'M' at the top of the screen to a 'P.'"

262 comments

  1. What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    You tell her to check her privilege and stop being a sexist! Oh, wait, wrong gender.

    1. Re:What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to bed, Anita

    2. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Privilege? Gender? This is simply a violation of the DMCA and will be stopped before others use it as an example that they, too, can modify a game to meet thir personal preferences.

      Hats off to the dad for making his daughter happy, but big gaming is going squash this like a bug.

    3. Re: What do you do? by Eraesr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah sure, blah blah blah.
      He hasn't actually released the modified game and big gaming corporations don't give a fuck about a dad hacking a 30 year old game this way to make his daughter happy. To "squash" this, a corp needs to spend more money than it's worth, so they're not going to do a thing about it. Simple as that.

    4. Re: What do you do? by progician · · Score: 1

      If you read the EULA of majority of commercial software, including games, it is specifically forbidden to reverse engineer and modify the Product. While you're right that without distributing the modifications, it is unlikely that he gets sued, but he still did something that is against the contract of the purchase of the software license.

    5. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick! Someone alert Carmen Ortiz! Violating a EULA is a felony!

    6. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When did the -original- Donkey Kong have a EULA?

    7. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, and I'm sure these guys never had to examine the legalities of game hacks.

      Ok, first, before the DRM craze, many game designers were content that the cartrige was proof of ownership, although there was some conflict over counterfit cartiges.
      Second, very few companies worry about what's being done with 5 year old games because they want attention on their games that were released five minutes ago (next Tuesday in Europe).

    8. Re: What do you do? by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      Making an example out of someone can be considered a good investment.

      It's like hanging the bodies for public display, I think.

    9. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      he still did something that is against the contract of the purchase of the software license.

      What contract? He signed no contract, he BOUGHT a piece of electronics (the thing you plug into the console) that he now OWNS. He can do anything he damned well pleases with it, including hacking it. Are you saying that Sony can sell transistor radios with a EULA that says you can't hack them, and you're a felon for turning it into a guitar fuzzbox?

      That's insane. He bought it, he owns it, he can do anything to it he wants so long as he breaks no laws, and there's no law against repurposing hardware.

    10. Re: What do you do? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Gibbeting for the 21st Century.

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    11. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the EULA of majority of commercial software, including games, it is specifically forbidden to reverse engineer and modify the Product.

      He doesn't need to "read the EULA" because he wasn't arguing otherwise. He was quite clearly making the point that the guy's not likely to get sued because- in essence- he's not doing anything the corporations are likely to care about. That's *regardless of whether or not the EULA says they're legally entitled (not obliged) to sue him up the wazoo*.

    12. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making an example out of someone can be considered a good investment.

      It's like hanging the bodies for public display, I think.

      And "hanging his body out for display" would likely backfire spectacularly in terms of publicity, if they were to do it to a guy who wasn't even redistributing his modified game. This is the type of thing that would break out of the geek-centric ghetto and into the mainstream press, and play *very* badly with the family audience Nintendo courts.

        *That*- along with the fact they probably genuinely don't care- is why they're not likely to sue him unless he starts passing it around (at the very least).

      Were you- as would be legal/PR advisor- to try this, it's likely that your career and/or your company's contract with Nintendo would be the casualty as they tried to make amends in the press. However, *they* know how to exploit this for good publicity, not turn it into a PR nightmare.

    13. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy who modded his PS2 (or whatever it was) violated a variety of laws. Yes, it was worse that he sold the mod, but he still would be breaking the law if he didn't distribute his hack.

      The DMCA is all about suppressing the person doing anything "just for themselves", including backups, personal mods, etc. Remember, when you fuck with the box or the code you're guilty until proven guilty with extreme prejudice.

    14. Re:What do you do? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      You tell her about DCMA and how the bad guys may come to you at night to take you to jail?

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    15. Re: What do you do? by sjames · · Score: 1

      They sure do get upset about mod chips though!

    16. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While Nintendo won't do anything about it, the fact is that copyright and rights management and this sort of "hacking" are now criminal issues. No one is going to arrest him, but I'd bet if he ever earns the gaze of the government for any reason, this will be just one of a half dozen other bullshit charges that will be stacked on to get him to plea out.

    17. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I understand, Nintendo picked the game up and put it on one of their digital stores.

    18. Re: What do you do? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      This is simply a violation of the DMCA

      I realize you are trying to be funny... But how is this a violation of the DMCA? He isn't trying to circumvent anything.

    19. Re: What do you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to see them try.

  2. Sounds like a great father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hope he also fixed the final level bug.

  3. oh, wow, he swapped the sprites... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    There was a patch for DOOM that let you shoot Barney.
    Maybe you shouldn't be taking your morality from Donkey Kong.

    1. Re:oh, wow, he swapped the sprites... by ethanms · · Score: 1

      oh man, you just reminded of that, one my favorites... he even sang the first few bars of his little song I think?

  4. Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Let's count up all the female player characters that exist in video games that aren't sex objects, exist for a male character to save, or exist as a plot device (that is, female characters you can play that exist as characters in and of themselves, not as part of a plot to empower male characters):

    April Ryan
    Faith in Mirrors Edge
    Chell in Portal (though you almost never see her)
    Lightning
    Princess Toadstool in Super Mario 2 (though this character is powerless in almost every other Mario game)

    um... I'm out. I'd do the same list with male characters, but I'd exceed the maximum comment size.

    1. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about Samus, Yuna (FF X), Lara Croft (in 9 games), Aeris(th), Rayne, Jill Valentine, etc.

      Face it, there are plenty of female characters. And since women play games maybe 10% as much as men, they are probably overrepresented.

    2. Re:Why is this necessary? by znanue · · Score: 1

      sc2: heart of the swarm?

      My sister agrees that the early tomb raiders were somewhat chauvinist but says of the very latest that it feels like a video game with high appeal for women to play.

      Many of the final fantasy have sexy (but not sex object...) female characters that you can play. Female characters in RPG games are everywhere.

      Still, I agree with the spirit of your point. Yet, I don't the think answer is to step down the objectification of women but to step up the objectification of men. We actually have a pretty hard time dealing with "sexual aggression" and not being heard.

      Z

    3. Re:Why is this necessary? by metalmaster · · Score: 2

      Regina of Dino Crisis is a strong female role. If you dont know the game it's pretty much Resident Evil with dinosaurs

    4. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He said "that aren't sex objects"

      While things like Zero-suit Samus can certainly be considered a bit of fan service, I wouldn't consider most of her outings as putting her in the sex-object position. I don't know if the GPP would agree.

      Meanwhile, on the flip side, Lara Croft *definitely* is, except in her latest game (written by the excellent Rhianna Pratchett) where she's actually written like a real human being.

    5. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      A little offtopic, I know, but it took me until just now to realize that she was Terry Pratchett's daughter. Apparently she will also get all the rights to Discworld and continue writing it. I certainly hope she is up to the challenge.

    6. Re:Why is this necessary? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      GP: Let's count up all the female player characters that exist in video games that aren't sex objects

      You: Lara Croft (in 9 games)

      You seriously think Lara Croft isn't a sex object? .

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    7. Re:Why is this necessary? by MurukeshM · · Score: 2

      What about gender neutral ones like Shepard from Mass Effect or the Warden from Dragon Age?

    8. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't men in games sex objects, too? Are you going to criticize the Batman games for having a completely ripped Bruce Wayne or the impossibly buff men in Gears of War? Nobody looks like that in real life. That is why it is called a game. Lara Croft isn't really that extreme and in the most recent game she looks average.

    9. Re:Why is this necessary? by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      Yuna is a typical Japanese Sex Object, the same can definitely be argued abouth Aeris.

      Lara Croft, really?

      Don't know about the other two.

    10. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nobody looks like that in real life.

      No? I do ... look a lot like Lara Croft. Sure, it's an odd look for a man, but I think I pull it off nicely.

    11. Re:Why is this necessary? by Eraesr · · Score: 1

      Jade, from Beyond Good & Evil.

    12. Re:Why is this necessary? by somersault · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guessed as soon as I saw her name mentioned as the writer for Overlord. It was a lot of the reason I even tried the game. Safe to say, I think Terry's sense of humour has rubbed off on her :)

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    13. Re:Why is this necessary? by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They aren't buff like that to entice females or gay males to play, they're buff like that as a kind of ego fantasy for the males that buy those games. They aren't sex objects.

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    14. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samus Aran!

      Well, until they came out with Zero Suit Samus. Or when you beat the gamer really fast.

    15. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samus probably the best female player character in any game, as long as you just don't count Metrod: Other M as having ever happened. Apparently everything good about her as a character happened in spite of Yoshio Sakamoto, not because of him having free creative control.

    16. Re:Why is this necessary? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      I find it amusing that you assume people know who April Ryan is, but that they don't know who Chell is... I'd say that Portal was a *much* bigger title than The Longest Journey, not to mention that TLJ came out 14 years ago, and while it has a cult following it's still quite an old game that isn't very well known in the main stream.... (that said, you're right... TLJ and Dreamfall both present strong female leads as their protagonists)

      You tend to find better written female characters in CRPGs. Bioware is especially good at writing female characters that ring true... Think Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect, Jade Empire, and Dragon Age. It shouldn't really be surprising that Bioware is doing this, though... they're also about the only game developper that bothers to include gay/lesbian characters and romance options in their work, too. I'm torn on the Bioware issue, actually, between my desire to support them and what they're doing, and my utter loathing for EA and its business practices....

      Unfortunately, as much as women vote with their wallets, a lot more people just don't give a shit, so developpers don't realize that there's a market for it... but a personal anecdote: the last time I bought a game that didn't give me the option of having a female lead (or an undefined gender for the lead character) was 1992 (Star Control II). I'm simply not comfortable playing male characters, or with all the fan service that men get in games. Perhaps the reason there aren't a lot of girl gamers is because the industry on the whole doesn't seem to give a shit about women?

    17. Re:Why is this necessary? by unapersson · · Score: 1

      Nariko and her sister in Heavenly Sword (both are playable characters).

      There were also female lead characters in WET and Heavy Rain but can't remember their names off the top of my head, but yes they tend to be very much in the minority, probably because of the belief that men don't want to play as female characters.

    18. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually recent evidence shows that women are consuming about 50% of the gaming market. I think I read that on......here, actually.

    19. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is Aerith a sex object? You can argue she is but only by being dishonest.

    20. Re:Why is this necessary? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Forget that, he put Rayne on the list. To be more of a sex object she'd have to start taking off the stripper outfit she's wearing.

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    21. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In any sufficiently advanced feminism, every female becomes a sex object when observed by a male. Even a homosexual male.

    22. Re:Why is this necessary? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I would argue she's not. Not a "strong leading female character" either (used as damsel in distress and then killed off early to create a sad moment for the leading male - and the player), but definitely not a sex object.

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    23. Re:Why is this necessary? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Chell barely gets mentioned in the game and I think the only place you actually see her in the game, is in the cinematic at the end of Portal 2 (or if you set up some portals like a mirror). Chell is more anonymous than Doom Guy, at least you can see his face in the status bar and there's a pic of him in the menu screen.

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    24. Re:Why is this necessary? by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      And since women play games maybe 10% as much as men, they are probably overrepresented.

      citation needed.

    25. Re:Why is this necessary? by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      Do RPGs and similar which come with a character creator count? Like Neverwinter Nights, Drakensang and so on?

    26. Re:Why is this necessary? by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      Or Jade Empire, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Star Trek: Elite Force (unfortunately only the first part).

    27. Re:Why is this necessary? by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      You don't see Chell in the ending of Portal 2 (neither in Portal 1). If you want to see her in game, you have to look through portals, like in Half-Life, no cutscene and no cinematic leaves the ego-perspective.

    28. Re:Why is this necessary? by hackula · · Score: 1

      Kerrigan is a great example. Yes, she is a bit light on the clothes, but that is pretty much an afterthought to the other facets of her character. A badass warrior, betrayed then sweet revenge, and she has had two games pretty much devoted to her. There are few better/more complex characters out there.

    29. Re:Why is this necessary? by sa1lnr · · Score: 1

      She's an attractive grave robber. :)

    30. Re:Why is this necessary? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      You're right. I was probably confusing it with a fan film recreation of the "cornfield" scene that showed her from the 3rd-person perspective.

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    31. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rosella (King's Quest)
      Nico (Broken Sword series)
      Several of the Mercenaries from Jagged Alliance
      Any game where you can customize the protagonist (Mount & Blade, Unreal Tournament, Fallen Enchantress, Dragon's Age, Torchlight II & many more)
      Leliana, Wynne, Morrigan & others in Dragon's Age series
      Several in the Baldur's Gate & Icewind Dale series

      I could go on, but... I think it's just you / the games you play. I'd agree that there are scarcely any females in some genres. Games that come to mind are historical (think WWII strategy games) or military simulators (COD, Heroes of WWII, Battlefield). The reasons for those should be obvious to anyone, and it has nothing to do with sexism.

    32. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They aren't sex objects.

      Speak for yourself. Kratos can dominate me any day *purrrr*.

    33. Re:Why is this necessary? by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Princess Toadstool in Super Mario 2 (though this character is powerless in almost every other Mario game)

      Most others, yes, but she can hold her own in the various Mario RPG games.

      And to add to that list:
      Terra (FF6)
      Celes (FF6)
      Any of the female characters from Trails in the Sky.

      I'm sure I could come up with a few more, but you are right that the number of strong male leads exceeds the number of strong female leads, though I don't think it's quite as dismal as you seem to think it is.

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    34. Re:Why is this necessary? by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      Link?

    35. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      GP: Let's count up all the female player characters that exist in video games that aren't sex objects

      You: Lara Croft (in 9 games)

      You seriously think Lara Croft isn't a sex object? .

      Within the game world, Lara Croft is not a sex object, she is an empowered woman. Outside of the game, there are enough weirdos out there that everyone/thing becomes a sex object. Have you not heard of Rule 34?

    36. Re:Why is this necessary? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I've seen too many of them, might be this one:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drucg1A6Xk

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    37. Re:Why is this necessary? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Samus from Metroid Prime.

      Van I have Vanellope von Schweetz from Sugar Rush in Wreck-it Ralph? Bit of a cheat I know.

    38. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sexist characters? I miss the old "nudechick" skin in Quake II. That skin made you pretty much invincible, unless the PMS clan* showed up, in which case you were toast. It was almost as good as the Baal skin; people ran from that big ugly thing without even trying to shoot.

      *Psycho Men Slayers, anybody remember them? Really good shooters, better than most men.

    39. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Princess Peach(her proper name) in Super Princess Peach, where she saves Mario from Bowser.
      Lucia from Wing of Madoola(and she rescues the prince)
      Mariana, Mischief makers
      Kusuhu Super Robot Wars
      jennifer simpson clock tower
      Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja(can't help fanart)
      Red Gunstar Super Heroes(GBA version)
      Ellen from Folklore
      The Pyro from Team Fortress 2:)
      Tron Bonne of Misadventures of Tron Bonne
      Freya FF9
      Zoe & Rochelle L4D 1 & 2
      Giana and Maria from the Giana Sisters series
      Amaterasu from Okami
      Jade from Beyond Good and Evil
      Joanna Dark of Perfect Dark(there were no sequels!)
      Alice from McGee's Alica
      Mrs Pacman
      Konoko from Oni(eh, the armor)
      Heather from Silent Hill 3
      Jen from Primal(so-so)
      Jill Jill of the jungle
      The Exile from KOTOR2
      Recettear
      Nancy drew
      the protagonist of Plundered Hearts
      Kya Dark Lineage
      Gina Cross/Collete Green of HalfLife Decay
      Rosangela of the Blackwell series

    40. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Zoe Castillo from Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, annoying though she was.
      Seriously, how did they manage to voice all the characters so well, except the protagonist.
      I don't get it.

    41. Re:Why is this necessary? by Rhacman · · Score: 1

      Chell in Portal (though you almost never see her)

      I'd like to point out there are more ways to experience a character than directly seeing them.

      Alyx Vance belongs on that list as well. As much as Gordon has done to save and protect her, she's done the same for Gordon and others. Judith Mossman would qualify as well though is a much more minor character.

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    42. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are hardly any female protagonists in classic (80s through mid-90's era) games.

      Note most of the ones you mentioned were from mid 90s and above on 3D platforms where that all changed.

      So yes, women are poorly represented in earlier games. I'm assuming you are 13 or something and never played a game that wasn't 3D.

    43. Re:Why is this necessary? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Sarah Kerrigan

    44. Re:Why is this necessary? by Jiro · · Score: 1

      "That character doesn't count because she's not written as a real human being" would rule out many male characters as well. You don't really think Donkey Kong or any Mario game has a lot of literary merit as a story, do you? Likewise, ruling out characters who empower others would get rid of lots of male characters. Having a small handful of female characters doesn't look so sexist when your criteria are so strict that you're down to a small handful of males as well.

    45. Re:Why is this necessary? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I didn't know that was her, but you're right

      http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2007/06/talking-with-rhianna-pratchett-writer-and-co-story-designer-of-overlord/2/

      Personally, in my role as the writer, I also tried to have a little fun with the characters by making them into various manifestations of evil. For example, Rose (one of your possible Mistresses) is the practical face of evil; her role in an evil empire would be organizing things - making sure everything gets done - right down to checking the temperature of the lava pool and sweeping up the entrails after a torture session. She's a bit like a twisted Mary Poppins. Mistress Velvet, on the other hand, understands how evil should look. She is all about style. Given half a chance she'd be cracking a whip and shouting "More black lace, more black lace!"

      You can see it here

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGVktFkrDN4

      The game was certainly a lot more memorable with someone to make the plot a parody of The Hobbit from Sauron's point of view.

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    46. Re:Why is this necessary? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      So you're saying just because she's cute she's not a kick ass adventurer? Or that only men can be adventurers?

      What about a game with a male character that women players find cute? Would that be as bad?

      It seems like if you have only male protagonists people will say it is sexist. But if you have female protagonists it is somehow still sexist.

      Relax - they're just video games. Trying to read any deep cultural message into them is fundamentally futile.

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    47. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad you found at least one positive thing from having your testicles removed.

    48. Re:Why is this necessary? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I'm waiting for the release of "Tomb Raider: Quest for Luggage".

    49. Re:Why is this necessary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't buff like that to entice females or gay males to play, they're buff like that as a kind of ego fantasy for the males that buy those games. They aren't sex objects.

      So woman in a fashion magazine read by mostly straight woman aren't sex objects but "ego fantasy"? How is "ego fantasy" not about sex? Not that Freud was right about everything, it seems odd to make too large a distinction here. What's next, denying the homoerotic aspects of football?

    50. Re:Why is this necessary? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      How did you leave out Ms. Pac?

    51. Re:Why is this necessary? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say Yuna circa FFX was a sex object. She certainly decided to dress a little stripperiffic when FFX-2 came around though.

    52. Re:Why is this necessary? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      In any sufficiently advanced feminism, every female becomes a sex object when observed by a male. Even a homosexual male.

      In sufficiently advanced feminism, feminists fight -against- rights for homosexual males because any males gaining rights is a disadvantage to females.

    53. Re:Why is this necessary? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you found at least one positive thing from having your testicles removed.

      He might still have them, and still look like Lara Croft.

      "It's a trap!"

    54. Re:Why is this necessary? by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      Mostly because she is so forward, the whole thing about the gorgeous girl doing all the flirting and that is enough is quite appealing to a lonely, shy teenager.
      Depends a bit on what you mean by sex object, but she has very little personality other than flirty, kind and wanting to save the world.

      In essence, she is defined by being a woman instead of being a character first and a gender second.

      This is the essential basis for sex object, not in the "dresses slut" kind of way, but in the "Males are the norm, therefore females need less character to define themselves".

      Simply put, female characters are usually foils, not characters.

    55. Re:Why is this necessary? by Panruru · · Score: 1

      You don't really think Donkey Kong or any Mario game has a lot of literary merit as a story, do you?

      You're missing the point. It's easy to envision yourself in the role of Donkey Kong or Mario precisely because they don't have a lot of character depth; their only clear traits are 'powerful,' 'male,' and 'kinda goofy-lookin'.' The first two apply to most video game characters. A lot of them are stupid or annoying or overly buff, but they're still characters that most guys wouldn't mind using as an avatar in the context of the game.

      Most female video game characters, what few of them there are, are not suitable avatars for the majority of female gamers. Quite frankly, I would rather pretend to be a man than play as Yuna or most of the other options available. By and large they aren't powerful warriors, they don't inspire fear in their enemies, and every time they open their mouths I want to punch them in the face. I kinda liked Lulu for the first ten minutes of FFX, but then she revealed that the most important thing to her was her crush on the stupidist character in the game and it kind of ruined her for me. Lara Croft I don't mind so much, but only because I'm a lesbian.

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  5. Out of the woodwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It's another article with something cool, vaguely mentioning something about gender biases, that ignites comments across game industry websites spewing reactionary sexist bullshit. Even as innocent and heart-warming as this story is, primitive individuals with no understanding of privilege can't help but attack the father and even the 3 year old, if you can believe it.

    Are other industries as bad, or is the gaming industry one of the worst?

    1. Re:Out of the woodwork by CycleMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are other industries as bad, or is the gaming industry one of the worst?

      Everyone's this bad. Nobody RTFA's and understands that Dad took a request from his kid and decided to go all-out on it. They all think it's a political-social-economic-whatever sort of statement. Dad isn't out to make a statement. He's out to love his kid.

      My guess, with absolutely no statistics to back it up, is that many of the attackers are not parents themselves and simply do understand that such a selfless, political-message-free love exists.

    2. Re:Out of the woodwork by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. Fuck the comments about sexism. This is 100% a dad doing something because he loves his daughter and was able to do something cool because she wanted something different.

    3. Re:Out of the woodwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also like to attribute understanding to the attackers.

    4. Re:Out of the woodwork by Krokus · · Score: 1

      Oh, I wish I had mod points for you, my friend.

    5. Re:Out of the woodwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This dad did what feminists can't be arsed to do, he worked long hours past midnight to change a game so it was more of her daughter's liking, instead of bitching about it for years without doing anything.

      It would have been a better story if her daughter made the hack herself instead of having to manipulate a man to get her wish, but that can be excused by her little age.

    6. Re:Out of the woodwork by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Agreed 100%

      I am a bit doubtful about calling this a hack, this is reverse engineering.

      A hack would have been:
      - Daddy but I want to be the hero!!!
      - Ok! wait a sec... *puts fake mustache on girl* ... there you are, darling!

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    7. Re:Out of the woodwork by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The whole point of this story is to stir up the sexism shrieker shitstorm. You take that aspect out, and there's no reason for it to be posted.

      It would just be a combination of headlines: "This dad loves his daughter" (Also not newsworthy to anyone other than the gender warriors) and "Guy does something only marginally more complicated than hex editing 'File Manager' title bar to display 'File Mangler'"

    8. Re:Out of the woodwork by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There IS sexism in games. To claim otherwise is to ignore the reality of the world.

      What is great about this story is that this is how sexism ENDS. It's about little steps that fathers take for their daughters, mothers for their sons, and people for one another.

      This is a feminist act because all it does is try to make a girl feel happy about the games that she plays, so that she doesn't feel excluded or lesser just because she's a girl. That's all that feminism is.

      The guy wants what's best for his daughter and he's willing to go to lengths to achieve it. He was able to do something, so he did. If everyone else did the same, we wouldn't need feminism--equality would already be here.

    9. Re:Out of the woodwork by sjwt · · Score: 1

      If I see mod points in time, this is getting them!

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    10. Re:Out of the woodwork by hackula · · Score: 2

      Despite what Rush Limbaugh might have you believe about what "Feminazis" look like, this dad IS a feminist pretty much by definition. Yes, some feminist are the shrill morons that you might picture, but most are just people (men and women) who stand by the belief that people should not be limited by their gender.

    11. Re:Out of the woodwork by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      You realize, now that you have posted you cannot mod, even if you get mod points in time ...

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    12. Re:Out of the woodwork by L1mewater · · Score: 1

      Just a small nit-- Rush Limbaugh does not use the term "feminazi" as a general term for a feminist. By his own statements there are fewer than a dozen public figures in the country who would qualify.

    13. Re:Out of the woodwork by sjwt · · Score: 1

      You used to be able to purge your comments.. didn't you?

      Been a relay long time since I was in that situation.

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    14. Re:Out of the woodwork by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      If you did, it was before my time ;)

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    15. Re:Out of the woodwork by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      Oh, if only I had modpoints and the score could exceed +5. You deserve to be modded infinitely high.

    16. Re:Out of the woodwork by Cederic · · Score: 1

      No, he's not (necessarily) a feminist. Indeed, he's destroying the man's role in society in favour of pushing a female superiority agenda.

      Or maybe he's making his daughter happy. Sounds pretty gender normative to me; how feminist is _that_?

    17. Re:Out of the woodwork by bitt3n · · Score: 1

      There IS sexism in games. To claim otherwise is to ignore the reality of the world.

      What is great about this story is that this is how sexism ENDS. It's about little steps that fathers take for their daughters, mothers for their sons, and people for one another.

      This is a feminist act because all it does is try to make a girl feel happy about the games that she plays, so that she doesn't feel excluded or lesser just because she's a girl. That's all that feminism is.

      The guy wants what's best for his daughter and he's willing to go to lengths to achieve it. He was able to do something, so he did. If everyone else did the same, we wouldn't need feminism--equality would already be here.

      exactly. just to give another example, as a 14-year-old male, I was greatly disheartened by the altogether realistic dimensions of Lara Croft's rack in the latest Tomb Raider. My dad heard my complaint, and a few hours of hacking later, those gazongas are so big they practically make the game unplayable. It's all about accommodating different people's needs and interests, and setting aside our lamentable tendency to judge one another.

    18. Re:Out of the woodwork by CycleMan · · Score: 1

      Sorry -- yes I omitted a word at 2 am. Thanks for the humorous way of pointing it out.

    19. Re:Out of the woodwork by strikethree · · Score: 1

      The whole point of this story is to stir up the sexism shrieker shitstorm. You take that aspect out, and there's no reason for it to be posted.

      I completely and utterly (vehemently so) disagree. You take that aspect out and it has even more of a reason to be posted: Dad hacks game ROM for kid. THAT is what this site is about. That IS News for Nerds.

      We should be arguing over which hex editor was used and such, not the sexist aspect.

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    20. Re:Out of the woodwork by hackula · · Score: 1

      How is he destroying man's role in society?? Is man's role in society to be the star of Donkey Kong? I think we will get by just OK without. How is making his daughter happy gender normative?? Making a child happy is not a gender specific activity.

    21. Re:Out of the woodwork by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Except it's not news. That's my point. People make romhacks all the time, usually doing a lot more than just swapping sprites (Asshole Mario, anyone?).

      Slashdot doesn't waste its time with BS "human interest" stories. If Anita and the other Sirens of the Sex Wars didn't exist, this wouldn't have gotten a first look, much less a second.

    22. Re:Out of the woodwork by Cederic · · Score: 1

      He's taking Mario out of a role that would suit the athleticism of a man to replace him with a woman. He then portrays Mario as a helpless captive of an ape.

      The emasculation of a strong male role model is not necessary to achieve gender equality, yet that is what he's done.

      Regarding making children happy: I refer you to the phrases 'Daddy's Girl' and 'Mummy's Boy'. Like it or not, those are the stereotypical factions within a nuclear family and thus his actions are indeed gender normative.

    23. Re:Out of the woodwork by SillyHamster · · Score: 1

      What is great about this story is that this is how sexism ENDS. It's about little steps that fathers take for their daughters, mothers for their sons, and people for one another.

      Dunno about that. That little girl still isn't going to grow up to be a football linebacker, or combat soldier. Litttle boys still aren't going to become mothers. (They can take on some motherly duties as a father, but they can't *be* the mother)

      Men and women are equal in importance, but it doesn't translate into equal capabilities or potentials. I do like that the father did this to please his daughter; I just don't think you can "fix" reality by gender flipping a video game. Nor do I think that that reality needs to be "fixed". (If it ain't broke ...)

    24. Re:Out of the woodwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This dad did what feminists can't be arsed to do, he worked long hours past midnight to change a game so it was more of her daughter's liking, instead of bitching about it for years without doing anything.

      A woman who can hack a ROM? Bwahahahaa!

      <duck>

  6. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He did it so his daughter could play as the character she wanted to play. Not as some feminist statement.

  7. Re:Gender roles by kevin+lyda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not have those things? Maybe his daughter likes them? Just because they're traditionally female, doesn't mean they're inferior.

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  8. Re:Gender roles by Myria · · Score: 4, Informative

    If the daughter finds them OK, what's wrong with it? Maybe she likes "girly" things.

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  9. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see gender roles are still alive and well, with Pauline using pink umbrella's and pink handbags in her quest to defeat Donkey Kong...

    Yeah sure, it would indeed have been a lot better if Mario had the pink umbrella and pink handbags.

  10. Re:Gender roles by CycleMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let the haters hate, and the lovers love. We know who's who by their comments.

    If your daughter wanted it all princessy, and you loved her, you'd do it too. Remember (if you RTFA), she asked to play as not-Mario; we don't know what more she said beyond that. If my son asked for an elephant in the game, I'd make peanuts for him to use. And a little feather because of Dumbo.

    Got my man-card, and my dad-card, and nobody's pulling either of them.

  11. Pie factory in the NES version? by Myria · · Score: 1

    This ROM has the pie factory level, but it has the NES title screen. How's that work? TFA says the 2010 ROM, but what's that from?

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    1. Re:Pie factory in the NES version? by dosius · · Score: 5, Informative

      There was a VC release bundled with certain editions of the Wii that had a ROM of the NES version with the pie factory level grafted in.

      -uso.

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  12. Should Have Gone All The Way by guttentag · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He should have switched the big monkey at the top with the poor little oil drum at the bottom while he was at it, to reflect the full scope of societal changes that have occurred since the release of Donkey Kong.

    In this new version, the girl fights to stop Big Oil at the top from throwing barrels at the cute little monkey at the bottom, while the guy just stands there watching the game. When she gets to the top, she's not rescuing Mario, she's stopping Big Oil from harming cute animals. Mario just happens to come out of his comatose state when she enters the room and feels compelled to feign excitement for her quest.

    In college I had a roommate who felt very strongly that depressed people should not give in to pressure to take Prozac. So I "hacked" (I think I used ResEdit or something... nothing fancy) a Pong clone to replace the ball with a green/yellow Prozac capsule. That way he could "fight the good fight" by trying to deflect the Prozac in response to my repeated attempts to stuff it down his side of the screen. This made him a much more animated opponent in Pong, and I told him this only proved that Prozac does improve people's behavior. Which upped the ante as the game continued, in much the same way that Tetris starts throwing bricks at you with more attitude the further you get into the game.

    1. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1

      In this new version, the girl fights to stop Big Oil at the top from throwing barrels at the cute little monkey at the bottom

      Pfft, back on ur bike hippy.

    2. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your article is pretty old. I don't think the risk is as high as you state, but I don't doubt that there are risks.

      As far as the desire to cut your wrist, was it due to suicidal ideation or due to a desire for self injury? Suicidal ideation often occurs in people that self injure, but they are very different disorders. Self-injury is usually due to a desire to make a situation feel real (stop dissociation) or to counter stressful or painful thoughts. Self-injury is actually a coping mechanism, though a very bad one. Suicidal ideation is more of a problem solving type of behavior. But if you felt that you were compelled to cut your wrists to kill yourself (not as a problem solving behavior), then that would be neither self-injury nor suicidal ideation, but psychosis.

      In any case, there aren't really many great alternatives. This is partially because it costs too much to do research for new drugs and partially because ethical guidelines prevent testing on the people that actually need the drugs. If you have ever had suicidal ideation or self injured, you will be excluded from a trial. If you have a severe mental illness (which can include major depression) you will be excluded. Thus, only the least depressed patients are tested. It is sort of like being pregnant--nobody will test drugs on you due to ethical concerns. In the end, these drug companies have to get statistically significant findings when they test their drugs on the least depressed people. To say that is hard, is an understatement. So they do lots of tricks to get their drugs approved. But there really is no certainty that those drugs will help with the people that need them most because they have never been tested on those same people. Only after the drugs are prescribed en masse can scientists really determine the impact.

    3. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you look into it yourself if you don't believe those figures. It is alarmingly high.

      I really don't care what causes it or how difficult it is to test medication. The point is Prozac is making people suicidal and causing people to take their own lives. It is an incredibly dangerous drug and it should not be prescribed with those side effects. You have no idea what it is like to have your entire life ruined by that stuff and come out on the other side. It is as life changing as being raped, because you feel that same sense of being violated, you feel betrayed by your own body and its fucking horrible. The person who walks into it isn't the person who walks out, if they're even strong enough to walk out.

      Come back to me when you've literally begged someone to put you in a mental hospital because you're so terrified of your own body/mind that you feel unsafe even being in the same house as a knife. Maybe then I would have some sympathy for the poor drug testers, or more likely you wouldn't have any left for any one who made people take that stuff.

    4. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      I had a teenage friend who only killed himself after taking prozac. I know a woman who seemed cool but said she wasn't happy on prozac, went to Zoloft and went back to being a total bitch.

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    5. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come back to me when you've literally begged someone to put you in a mental hospital because you're so terrified of your own body/mind that you feel unsafe even being in the same house as a knife. Maybe then I would have some sympathy for the poor drug testers, or more likely you wouldn't have any left for any one who made people take that stuff.

      I have BPD. Come back when you've experienced that. But until then, don't discount people that might have some knowledge that might be fucking useful. You're a tourist in the mental health world. I've lived it my entire life.

    6. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, oil companies 30 years ago were way better.

    7. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by unkiereamus · · Score: 2

      I had a teenage friend who only killed himself after taking prozac.

      I always used to find that whole "may cause suicidal thoughts or actions" side-effect of anti-depressants quite odd. At one point, however, I wound up dating a psychiatrist and she explained it to me thus:

      Major depression has two effects which bear on this, first, obviously, it causes suicidal ideations, but second, it saps your energy. Suicide is a lot of work (at least for someone who is majorly depressed), which keeps most people with SI from actually carrying through on it. Once you start taking anti-depressants, however, they clear up the lack of energy first, and then there's about a 2 week window before they start making in-roads against the SI, which makes it a dangerous period. Add in to that the fact that depending on the specific neuro-chem involved, it's possible that some drugs may not ever take care of the SI, but will still give the pt energy back...

      I dunno, I thought it was interesting.

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    8. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I think antidepressants might be a fine and good thing with proper monitoring, and it's really too bad that our current system precludes most of the people who need it most getting the care they actually need.

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    9. Re:Should Have Gone All The Way by sjames · · Score: 1

      The ethical problem there is that then exactly the people excluded from the safety and efficacy testing end up taking exactly the same drug with scant evidence to support even basic safety within that population and without the sort of monitoring they might have gotten in a clinical trial AND do so on the 'recommendation' of the very same company that did the clinical studies in the first place.

      Throw in the 'problem solved' attitude strongly fostered by the marketing dept. and a love of the quick fix and you have a perfect storm.

      I suspect that better sleep habits, more realistic expectations, better work/life balance, and a society that gives less reason to feel hopeless and powerless would do a lot more to solve the problem than a pill but it wouldn't be as profitable.

  13. Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to go Dad :)

  14. Next Step by prionic6 · · Score: 1

    Let's try to switch it further: Mario as the bad guy, DK must be rescued. Maybe DK has a daughter?

    1. Re:Next Step by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Let's try to switch it further: Mario as the bad guy, DK must be rescued. Maybe DK has a daughter?

      You mean switch genders in Donkey Kong Jr.

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    2. Re:Next Step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Super Mario Wii U is kinda like that.

      Mario kidnapped the Princess (and the mother of the Koopalings), Koopa rescued her, and now Mario is running around killing everything in the Mushroom Kingdom. I think there actually was an indie game that was somewhat like a side-scrolling mario game where the protagonist was insane and you had the option of flipping through 3 different perceived realities. The bad ending had you saving the princess, but then she would turn into a monster and kill you, and the good ending had both the princess and the protagonist turning into monsters and living happily ever after.

    3. Re:Next Step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The game you're thinking of is Eversion. A cutsey platformer that descends into Lovecraftian horror.
      http://zarat.us/tra/offline-games/eversion.html
      http://store.steampowered.com/app/33680/

    4. Re:Next Step by hackula · · Score: 1

      Switching it further would be to leave all the sprites the same, but tell the daughter that Pauline decided to become a mustached plumber and Mario decided to finally discover his true body and become a pinkified princess. DK is actually Peach before she stopped taking testosterone.

    5. Re:Next Step by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Sure, highlight the inherent gender bias in the title "Junior".

      Junior could be a girl, and named after her mom, but for some irrational reason, that doesn't count as "Junior".

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  15. Handbags and Brollies? by polyp2000 · · Score: 0

    Gender equality is one thing - but he is still enforcing stereotypical gender roles with the pink handbags and brollies!

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  16. If he'd hacked Donkey Kong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would the title owners have sued his ass?
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  17. Not easy to make your daughter happy by m.alessandrini · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My daughter was once playing with ktuberling, where you drag little characters on the screen and create a scene. One day I caught her rotating the mouse horizontally, because she wanted the little penguin to lay down instead of standing, and she was complaining it was not working. I'm an electronic engineer, but I have not all that spare time! :-) On the other hand, I think that Apple and others could gain millions by hiring a bunch of kids as designers...

    1. Re:Not easy to make your daughter happy by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      One day I caught her rotating the mouse horizontally, because she wanted the little penguin to lay down instead of standing, and she was complaining it was not working.

      Hahaha well you gotta give her points for that idea! XD

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  18. poor little girl by KramberryKoncerto · · Score: 1

    With all the hard work beating Donkey Kong she'll find herself ending up with a short fatty with a funny moustache that dresses like a pervert...

  19. P not a very feminine name by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Pauline is not a very feminine name, and P is not a very feminine first letter either.
    I hope for this poor girl she wasn't named Pauline.

    On the other hand, M is a fairly feminine letter and there are plenty of feminine first names with it.

    1. Re:P not a very feminine name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      90% of which are just derivatives and composites of "mary".

    2. Re:P not a very feminine name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pauline is the name of the original character. So, either you're a mindless troll making a "joke", or you simply didn't know the name of the character.

  20. Parenting by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Parenting - you're doing it right!

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    1. Re:Parenting by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      I beg to differ. Parenting is about teaching, not catering.

      Parenting is both about teaching and loving your child. A child that is loved, grows up into a self-confident adult.

      Also, a child that is loved has a nice childhood. Life isn't only about preparing for the next step - sometimes you live in the here and now.

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    2. Re:Parenting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he TAUGHT her how to hack the game and she did it, then I'd be like "Parenting - you're doing it right."

      She's fucking three years old, dipshit.

      At that age, I think it's okay to just show her it's possible to get what you want if you work for it. You don't have to make her do it herself!

    3. Re:Parenting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the number of kids you have? You're single, a virgin and your mother does all your laundry and cooking?

    4. Re:Parenting by f00zbll · · Score: 1

      Until you produce a 3 yr old of any gender that can hack a ROM to do the same thing, the comment is troll bait. Even then, the chances of the most brilliant 3 yr olds hacking a ROM is pretty remote. Parenting is complicated and there's no manual. The best that one can do is love their child and try to instill good habits, respect for others and critical thinking.

    5. Re:Parenting by eyenot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My parents didn't teach me programming until I was eight, and I didn't even begin to do anything really useful with it until I was a teenager. I used it to hack ATARI games (for the ATARI home computer), sure, but that's at eight years old.

      The girl in the story is three years old. So you aren't even really setting a fair standard.

      What's worse, you're completely ignoring the gender-politics and DIY lessons learned. If you think there's no difference between Shigeru Miyamoto getting the job done and "Dad" getting the job done, then maybe Shigeru Miyamoto's your dad. Well, aside from you, most children (since they learn from their parents' example) would realize the connection: the game doesn't have to be made by a toy maker, it can be modified by "Dad" -- and that means it can eventually be modified by the child.

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    6. Re:Parenting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      great, now you have to bring the "clever" commenting style of your daily link websites to slashdot. you sir, are a fucking simple-minded twat-waffle.

    7. Re:Parenting by hackula · · Score: 3, Funny

      Back when I was three, I programmed Donkey Kong from scratch in Assembly. "Big Arcade" stole the source off a BBS where I posted it, and made millions off my idea! Now get off my lawn and go learn some BrainF&&ck, toddlers!

    8. Re:Parenting by gordo3000 · · Score: 1

      you sound like you are equating loving your child with giving a gift. They are most certainly not the same thing, and in fact one has nothing to do with the other. And unfortunately, as the GP was referring to, too often the former is used as a substitute for the latter.

    9. Re:Parenting by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Ninja parenting skills. As a dad with little girls (and a Donkey Kong fan) I wish he'd put the ROM out there.

    10. Re:Parenting by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      And you are an amatuer troll. A dad does something nice for his little girl and you feel the need to be a snot.

      Three year olds don't play Sims.

      He did sprite editing which is more that digging code with a hex editor.

      "First world problem" is a stupid expression. Go back to Reddit.

    11. Re:Parenting by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

      Yeah! You said it! Now, as a parent, I have been energized to improve my parental skills.

      I'm going to make my 5 week old son change his own damn diapers! He'll learn to stop crapping in his pants much sooner if he's the one that has to do the butt wiping!

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    12. Re:Parenting by unkiereamus · · Score: 2

      "First world problem" is a stupid expression.

      I actually disagree.

      Speaking as a native of the first world who has lived in the third world, I find that phrase to be quite apropos occasionally to mock the sense of entitlement that some people have, that's just a bad use of it.

      When you've got children starving to death, and someone is going on about the fact that they have to start brewing their own coffee because they need the money they used to spend on starbucks to fill the gas tank on their $45,000 V8 SUV as though it were the end of the world, that's an appropriate time.

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    13. Re:Parenting by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      you sound like you are equating loving your child with giving a gift. They are most certainly not the same thing, and in fact one has nothing to do with the other. And unfortunately, as the GP was referring to, too often the former is used as a substitute for the latter.

      You know what? Take that straw man and shove it up your ass.

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    14. Re:Parenting by FrankDrebin · · Score: 2

      Do be fair, he did teach his daughter that gender reassignment is a surgical procedure, only to be done by experts.

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    15. Re:Parenting by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      Your example is considerably more appropriate. He just couldn't be bothered to acknowledge a father doing something nice and went into snark mode.

    16. Re:Parenting by WankersRevenge · · Score: 1

      And therein lies the crux of the problem. The grandparent makes a good point. We may be impressed by his hacking skills but what is his daughter actually learning? Daddy can fix it.

      As a parent myself, I want my kids to be self reliant. If my daughter wanted to see gender equality in Donkey Kong, then I'd include her in the process of hacking. Granted, she'd probably pick her nose and walk away but then it wasn't that important to her. And that's fine by me. More time to pick my own nose :)

      But if she was interested it -- and you'll be surprised about kids -- they like all kinds of crazy things -- you will have opened up a new landscape.

      You may argue that she's only three and may treat her like she's only three, but that's recipe for creating a three-year old adult.

      Also, she's going to learn more about gender relations from how you treat your wife (and other women in your life) than any video game could teach her (hacked or not).

    17. Re:Parenting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he TAUGHT her how to hack the game and she did it, then I'd be like "Parenting - you're doing it righter."

      She's fucking three years old, dipshit.

      At that age, I think it's okay to just show her it's possible to get what you want if you work for it. You don't have to make her do it herself!

      Shouldn't he be telling her if she sits down flails her arms and yells "Sexism" she can get free stuff?

    18. Re:Parenting by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Married, 3 sons, loads of nephews and nieces (4 brothers, two half-sisters, all with kids). I come from a big, old-fashioned family lead and educated by grandparents who had experienced the great depression and passed down a wealth of family values.

      My opinions are unpopular. They are old fashioned. I believe there is value in spanking (to a point) and lots of value in appreciating the true mission of parenting. Among these include leading by example, ("do as I say *AND* do as I do.") speak with them not at them, being a parent and not a "friend" and lots more. Today's parenting stems from al of the broken-ness we have in our lives -- partly due to our ambitions, partly due to the economy and LARGELY due to our own selfishness.

      What this guy did right was to give something to his daughter that came from him. But she is 3. She'll be hard remembering this, let alone appreciating it. But the act of gift giving is a selfish act all by itself. He wanted to extract from her smiles and her approval. He got what he wanted. But that's the pattern I find the most disturbing. This pattern of trying to win and buy a child's love the way we do is simply wrong.

      My first marriage ended with two children who chose to be with their father despite the fact that I was the one who spanked them, punished them and gave them all the hell in the world as I tried to teach them things. I haven't always been a hard-ass and most of the time, I'm quite fun. One day they even came to me saying "we like you because you're always tricking us." (I often teach by trying to fool them in some way... giving them the riddle or problem to resolve.) From me they learned everything from shoe tying to food preparation. They didn't get computer hackery from me -- no such interest, but both my older sons graduated from their schooling in "IB" programs and did quite well at it.

      I am none of the things you think. I'm a serious family man who would prefer his children not go out into the world unprepared and are mentally and emotionally ready for it. One son is presently a nuke in the US Navy somewhere deep under the ocean at the moment. (They don't always do what you want, but I taught him to make up his own mind about things... I never expected to agree with everything he does.) My middle son is well on his way to building his life and my little one? :) Well, we're still having a lot of fun.

      And I have to say, despite it being old fashioned, my wife stays home. When I come home, there's a meal cooking and my little one usually runs out the front door when he hears my car to greet me with a big smile on his face yelling "Daaaaadeeeeeeee!" And we do his homework together until dinner is ready.

      Still think I'm a single geek living with his mother? Think I'm a bad parent?

    19. Re:Parenting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you should stop inventing a fictitious life just to win an argument. Your post is a complete Gary Stu fan fiction.

  21. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh STFU you asshole.

    Only men look at something girly and think: "Wow, that girl is being brainwashed into that." But they NEVER and I mean NEVER look at boys playing with violent videogames and the like and think the same thing. "Oooh, so violent, we're training our boys to be soldiers, so stereotypical and sexist!"

    I noticed that Americans have a big problem with girly girls. They all want their women to have male personalities but with boobs.

    I like the way I am. Go fuck yourself.

  22. Where to find the original ROM? by trikster2 · · Score: 0

    He's publishing a patch but I assume you need the exact same version of the ROM that he used.

    Could anyone give me a hint as to where I could find that ROM?

    I'd love to load this on the ipad for my kids.

    Thanks!

  23. Re:Gender roles by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    making mario wear those at the top of the screen while pauline climbs up in a plumbers suit would have been a pretty fucking lousy hack.. just saying.

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    world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  24. And? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since I have no reason to hate you with a passion, I won't suggest you watch Twilight but aren't the males in that drivel just as much sex objects?

    What really is the difference between Lara Croft and Fabian? Don't know who he is? Google it and you will find he is a model who appears on countless romance novel covers and NOT because he is a novelist.

    Sex... wasn't really all that much a part of the original Tomb Raider. yes, she had big polygons, which most of the time you don't see since the camera is behind her. Meanwhile the women in Planescape: Torment had FAR bigger tits but nobody complained about that. Because part of the reason to have big tits in low-rez games was so the tits would be visible at all.

    In Israel right now there is a law banning thin models. To protect the feelings of the whales. Because the only thin women are freaks who don't eat of course, not just a normal percentage of women who just happen to not overeat and have a natural slender built. To protect one groups feelings, another group is excluded. For every a-cup girl supposedly offended by doubt D Lara, there is a double D girl offended by every small titted heroine. Can't girls with big busts be heroes or are they condemned like blondes to always be stupid whores?

    HERE IS THE SECRET

    Every personality you see in the media, is a role. Doesn't matter whether you like said role or not. It is a role. Every actor acts a role defined by the writer. Media can NEVER show reality (which is why people who take 1984 as a prophecy as such idiots) because the writer WROTE everything as if he/she was god. A personality is self-destructive or succesful because the writer made it to be like that. In Far Cry 3 and the new Tomb Raider the "hero" goes from a snivelling coward to lean mean well adjusted killing machine because that was what the writers put in the plot. A different writer could just as easily have written a plot showing how both lapse into insanity. When backdraft was made, fire departments around the world saw an increase in volunteers and Pretty Woman has been claimed to have caused an increase in girls thinking prostitution always has an happy ending... for the girl. Mind you, the postman always ring twice didn't see more people wanting to be postman. Because the writers made on proffesion seem heroic while the other... wasn't. And many movies have shown hookers in bad light. The role an actor plays is not real.

    REAL people are often WAY more complex then can be put in a 1.5 hour movie. Lara Croft breasts are often the joke of back pains... and? This is well known among women and those who live in the same world as them. Breast reduction surgery does exist and STILL women with small breasts want to be sultry big bossomed and big breasted women want to be slender and cute. And men want big cocks despite most women not particularly liking to be stretched to wide or to deep while men with actual big penisses wish that girls wouldn't run out the door when they get naked. We all want what we can't have because SURELY the grass is greener on the other side, so we all climb the fence and never wonder why so many people are climbing the other way.

    BUT it is NOT the media's fault, it is our own.

    Take publicity shots for say Star Wars. You can probably find some of Carry Fisher in her metal bikini and say "fan service". That is because all the pictures of Harrison Ford strutting it, don't appeal to YOU. But they ARE fanservice to a LOT of women. You drooled over Leia, they drooled over Han. Or Luke. Or Obi-Wan... women are weird or Jabba... my gf picked me after all.

    You might think that a Lord of the Rings does not have much fanservice but just search the net. So... does that make the characters sex symbols? YES! Just not to you, but if SOMEONE drools over it, it is a sex symbol.

    Sex sells, it always has done and both genders lap it up.

    Sexism is only seeing it in one gender. Note the Israeli law on thin models ONLY applies to females. Because everyone knows bulemia

    --

    MMO Quests are like orgasms:

    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:And? by somersault · · Score: 1

      No mod points today.. but this is the most insightful comment I've seen for a long time. I had only just started considering that male characters are also made as sex objects before I read your comment :)

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      which is totally what she said
    2. Re:And? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2

      Seeing that a reasonable amount of your rant was about the Israel-bans-thin-models story:

      Note the Israeli law on thin models ONLY applies to females.

      According to abc new, the law "targets adults in general, [but] it is clearly aimed at female models."

      (I think that law btw, while possibly well-intentioned is not thought through & impossible to enforce.)

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      There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
    3. Re:And? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh god, this is the same bullshit that willfully blind sexists like bleating about over and over again.
      The problem with sexism in our nerdy community is that we think that we're above it, so we spend a lot of time trying to justify the unjustifiable, or pin the blame back on women somehow, or claim that 'both sides got it'. It's not true, and you're too smart to claim ignorance.

      The Hulk or Superman aren't FEMALE sex fantasies, they're MALE power fantasies. The reason why men look the way they do in media--including Han Solo, incidentally--is because that's what sells TO MEN. For a long time, Men were effectively the only people spending large amounts of money, and they were the only demographic that mattered. (And, in a terrible twist of irony, when women claim to like comics or video games despite the shitty way they're generally portrayed, they get called 'fake nerds' or 'attention whores'.)

      You think Tomb Raider was somehow NOT marketed to men? You think the overt sexualisation of Cortana over the progression of Halo wasn't for the hetero men? Why the fuck does an AI need tits like that anyway?

      This is a classic example of a false equivalence. You're claiming a molehill is a mountain. Here's a comic strip for you that boils it down much faster than I can: http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/05-the-death-of-snkrs/falseequivalence/

      The fact that there are now emerging some shows and movies that women can go to and get a bit of a sexy fix isn't a justification for the last 30 years of sexist video games. Anita Sarkeesian (who received death and rape threats for starting a kickstarter so she could make a video series about this sort of thing) just released her first video. Go watch it.
      http://tropesversuswomen.tumblr.com/
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X6p5AZp7r_Q

      Sex sells, yes. Sex and gender are deeply ingrained in our culture, yes. It doesn't mean that a bad or stilted view of sexuality is embedded in our culture. It doesn't mean we shouldn't change it.

      Man, I'm probably wasting my breath, but I'm 100% sick of this BS. I'm a dude. I'm hetero and white and I have all the privileges afforded to me simply by being those things and I'm really irritated that I still have to see stuff like this that makes no sense and seems only to exist so you don't have to feel bad about your part in how shitty things still are for women, even just in the media (before we get to all the other feminist issues surrounding equality of pay, access to health services, work, etc., etc.)

    4. Re:And? by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In Israel right now there is a law banning thin models. To protect the feelings of the whales.

      I was in Israel for a couple of weeks, and didn't notice any land whales. I'd say Israelis are rather healthy-looking, both Jews as well as Arabs.

      But I did see land whales each of the three times I visited the US. It was the first (and so far, only) time in my life that I could behold examples of morbid obesity.

      But, carry on.

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    5. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're being a bit silly. Just pointing out that male sex symbols exist doesn't completely resolve this issue and mean that there aren't problems. Also, framing protests about portrayals of women as being "grass is greener syndrome" is very insulting. Do you think all feminists are just jealous of sexy women? Do you think no-one is concerned with pushing for a healthy and fair world?

      Lara Croft is both good and bad for gender equality. On the one hand, she is a well rounded and heroic character, and probably does a lot to advance the idea that women are as capable of great things as men. On the other, her figure is unrealistic, and she helps promote already unfair cultural expectations about women's appearances.

      It's fine for some art to focus on sex, sex is a part of our nature as human beings. It's also fine for art to use attraction to make it more enjoyable. What's not okay is that the sexual aspects of women are focused on in our culture to such a degree that it excludes other aspects. What's not okay is that the ideals of beauty for women promoted in our culture have become, for most, unattainable and even unhealthy. So, yes, there are sexy men who are used to sell things. And there are non-sexualised female characters out there. But sexy men are not used to sell almost everything. And non-sexualised male characters aren't a rarity. It exists on both sides, but women have it way worse when you take our culture as a whole.

      Think how many films, TV shows and computer games feature an entirely unremarkable male protagonist who ends up with some stunningly beautiful love interest. For every unrealistically buff male hero like Master Chief or the guys from Gears, you have some suddenly empowered everyman nerd like Gordon Freeman or Peter Parker. The fact is, for the most part, women go through their lives constantly seeing images of beauty that they will never look like. Whereas for you, for every George Clooney you'll never live up to, there's a Seth Rogen, who's a bit closer to what you see in the mirror. So, for you, playing as Master Chief is a fine little fantasy and a bit of fun escapism, because you're not constantly being told that you're not good enough.

      This issue isn't worth banning anything over - we would lose too much of value, including our rights to free speech. However it is worth talking about and bringing to people's attention. Lara Croft's tits are fucking ridiculous. Characters like Alyx Vance and Jade from BG+E are extremely rare. Don't try and tell me men have it as bad as women, because that's bullshit.

    6. Re:And? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Yes, I've known some Israelis and their idea of fat is different (and much smaller ) than an American's.

      --
      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    7. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Hulk or Superman aren't FEMALE sex fantasies, they're MALE power fantasies.

      Typical male, telling me who I can and can't fantasize over.

    8. Re:And? by Skidge · · Score: 0

      No mod points today, so just posting to say I appreciated your post. It's good to see things like this with more regularity these days (though still not nearly enough).

    9. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Haha nice troll man!

      Opening with racism and ending with a " I'm hetero and white and I have all the privileges afforded to me ...". :D

    10. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Somebody drank the kool-aid!

    11. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Hulk or Superman aren't FEMALE sex fantasies, they're MALE power fantasies.

      Except the GP didn't mention Hulk or Superman. I also think Han Solo is markedly different than the likes of Hulk or Superman, so I think it's disingenuous for you to lump them all together.

      For a long time, Men were effectively the only people spending large amounts of money, and they were the only demographic that mattered.

      That's because men were the ones EXPECTED to spend money. Being the bread winner and provider has been the traditional male role. Gender roles affects BOTH men and women.

      (And, in a terrible twist of irony, when women claim to like comics or video games despite the shitty way they're generally portrayed, they get called 'fake nerds' or 'attention whores'.)

      That's not irony. That's pointing out the truth. Liking something that portrays you like crap makes you a battered wife, not a nerd.

      Real nerds would do the geeky thing and hack their own comics and video games (as is the case of TFS).

      Anita Sarkeesian (who received death and rape threats for starting a kickstarter so she could make a video series about this sort of thing) just released her first video. Go watch it.

      This AC did watch it, but this AC also watched responses to her videos, and I can't honestly say I'm impressed by her or her work.

      As I said above, if women want more positive portrayals of women in video games, they can start their own game companies and make their own games (and some have done just that, I applaud them for their effort)

      You know, take that power into your own hands, instead of sitting there making youtube videos complaining like some damsel in distress waiting for some (probably male) game developer to listen to your pleas and oblige you with a game that portrays women positively?

      Likewise with the death and rape threats. In case you didn't know, Anita is quite keen at disabling comments and filtering out responses. She tries to block out the threats, but that only makes the trolls more motivated. Look up Streisand effect. I don't think she's stupid to not realize that, as she's smart enough to use these threats to garner sympathy - again, much like a damsel in distress

    12. Re:And? by Aglassis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As I said above, if women want more positive portrayals of women in video games, they can start their own game companies and make their own games (and some have done just that, I applaud them for their effort)

      This post is a good example of blame shifting. By shifting the blame of sexism onto women who haven't made the non-sexist games, you think you can claim your hands are clean, right? So what do you say: "let the market decide! If sexism is bad then it will be uneconomical. We don't have to worry about that annoying subject called ethics." Heck, let's apply it in general. If LGBT people don't like negative portrayals in the media, they can just form their own media companies. If African Americans don't like racism, they can make their own media.

      What a great idea...NOT!

      Here's an alternate idea: assume that women are complete human beings and that sexism is wrong. And even if you are a man, realize that you probably have a sister, daughter, or niece who will see this sexist crap and see it as a red flag to stay in her assigned gender role...or else!

      Sexism is a type of bigotry. I know our culture has made it seem less damaging than racism, but really it is just as damaging. Just because sexism is largely accepted does not make it right.

      Here is a list of bigoted statements:
      * If those n*****s want to play golf, they should just build their own golf club
      * If those f**s want equal rights, they should move to San Francisco
      * If those b*****s want to play our sexist games, they can start their own game companies

      Yeah, I know, sexist video games aren't the greatest form of bigotry that exists. But it is a type of bigotry. And it should be resisted.

      --
      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    13. Re:And? by Aglassis · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I know, complain about sexism on Slashdot and your will get modded into the floor. I've been here long enough that I should have known to post as AC. Oh well, bye, bye, karma.

      As a Slashdot greybeard, I've had enough discussions to know why this occurs. There is a group of gamers who are highly introverted and who have been repeatedly rejected by women for much of their lives. They are similar to the hikikomari subculture in Japan. For them, games are an outlet to live out their fantasies. If you talk to people on 4chan, they refer to hyper-sexualized fantasy characters as being "2D" or "mai waifu". There are even discussions on 2D dating (in case you are confused, this means having an imaginary date with a fantasy character).

      Recently, Anita Sarkeesian provoked their ire by doing nothing, but scaring them that she would attack their 2D fantasies. The coordinated response was massive, and the level of paranoia skyrocketed. Even today, on sites like Slashdot, anybody who is seen as a threat to their subculture and fantasies is ruthlessly attacked. While the attacks by the hikikimori-like subculture has just been rage, ordinary misogynists have grabbed onto their coattails to spread their hate as well (like benspurr with his beat up Anita Sarkeesian game).

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      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    14. Re:And? by lgw · · Score: 3

      Here's a list of bigoted statements:

      * Women are frail flowers who can't look after themselves, and need to be protected from bad media.
      * Blacks are poor victims who can't look after themselves, and need to be protected from bad media.
      * Gays are wimpy effiminate types, and therefore just like women can't look after themselves, and need to be protected from bad media.

      How about we just accept that the meaning of "adult" is "able to look after oneself in the harsh worl we inhabit, and don't need your protection"? How about we stop explaining to people that they are helpless victims?

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    15. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised that even though you are a furry, a group that makes a big deal about equal rights, you can still be incredibly misogynist and make a huge argument against women.

      Do rights only matter if the group truly believe they are foxes, like yourself?

    16. Re:And? by Aglassis · · Score: 2

      Do you have no problem about golf courses, housing, employment, etc., discriminating against African Americans because they are adults? And do you have no problem about people discriminating against LGBT persons because they are adults?

      At what point do you think adults should ignore discrimination and at what point do you think they should act?

      It may be a harsh world, but it is a hell of a lot less harsh when you don't have to deal with bigotry.

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      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    17. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, "not letting someone in" is same thing as "not leading someone in by hand" to you?

      You come across as usual "overly-affirmative-action-must-have-token-minorities-whatever-the-cost" strawman of equality which bigots so love to knock down. Did you intend to discredit those who really fight for equal rights, or are you fucking it up while acting with good intentions?

    18. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're actually the odd self hating dude who seems to enjoy a bit of self-flagellating ( of the decidedly non sexual variety) in order to feel modern and right.
      Here's a clue: things can be shitty for men AND woman.
      Both like their little fantasy worlds. Men may be more involved in video games, but do you think there aren't realms in the media that do not primarily cater to women?
      Constantly creating victims doesn't solve anything.

    19. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, tell that to all the inner city kids that only care about growing up to be a cough syrup swilling gangster troll like Little Wayne. Cash, drugs, bitches, hoes.

    20. Re:And? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      You're right, things CAN be shitty for both men and women. To wit: the way men are portrayed in basically every single sitcom since the 1980s is horrible. Almost without fail, the men are arrogant jerk-offs that are wildly insensitive, and barely functional as legitimate people in every day society. I agree that it's unfair, but it's a relatively small fraction of the media we consume. I hope that one day those bad tropes go away, the same way the sexist tropes about women disappear.

      I'm NOT a self-hating guy. I like myself just fine. I just think that equality is more important than trying to complain about how AWFUL my lot in life is because Twilight is a thing, or Fabio is on the cover of romance novels and that I don't look like him.

      False. Equivalence. Again.

      There is nothing wrong with my life when it comes to this stuff. I'm not discriminated against because of my looks or gender. I DO have to spend extra time checking my reactions to make sure that I'm giving other people a fair shake without pre-judging them based on THEIR race or gender. I like to think I do a good job. Mostly it's natural, but sometimes I go back and think about it and make sure. Y'know, introspection. Know thyself, right?

    21. Re:And? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      The Hulk or Superman aren't FEMALE sex fantasies, they're MALE power fantasies.

      Except the GP didn't mention Hulk or Superman. I also think Han Solo is markedly different than the likes of Hulk or Superman, so I think it's disingenuous for you to lump them all together.

      Oh PLEASE. The whole point of the GP was that men ALSO have it so rough. My goodness, all these men running around in movies ALSO being sexy. There's no problem!

      Of course Han Solo is for men/boys. I wanted to BE Han Solo when I was a kid. That's a good way to sell toys. Han Solo is attractive to women as a side benefit--as part of his persona. But he wasn't there for the ladies. They're just collateral damage.

      I mentioned those other characters because they're popular to point to and say, "Everything is just fine! Superman is an example of an unattainable body-type in men and it's sexist and he's dressed in tight clothes and everything is equal!" Superman being a strong-man in tights isn't about enticing women, even if that's a thing that might happen.

      That's because men were the ones EXPECTED to spend money. Being the bread winner and provider has been the traditional male role. Gender roles affects BOTH men and women.

      It's been the traditional male role...imposed by MEN. And, actually, once women got out into the workforce, they were still forced into the same gender roles as before, just with less time on their hands. But in any case, that's not an excuse, it's just part of a larger problem. Why do those gender roles exist? Why are we so bad at overturning them? Why do more women graduate with undergraduate degrees, but fewer complete graduate studies? Why are women expected to take care of children and put THEIR careers on hold? Hmm?

      That's not irony. That's pointing out the truth. Liking something that portrays you like crap makes you a battered wife, not a nerd.

      Real nerds would do the geeky thing and hack their own comics and video games (as is the case of TFS).

      Nice, it's their fault again. See how this keeps popping up?
      Why is it so weird to demand--as I'm trying to--that we portray women in a way that's equitable and inoffensive? I understand metaphor and characterization and storytelling, but it's so hard to find stuff that just gives women a fair shake. But it's possible. Mass Effect 3 did a good job of it, by and large. I'll bet you can find some girl that was called a fake nerd for liking ME3, too.

      Again, you're just making excuses for your shitty behavior. Or at the very least, you're making apologies for others' shitty behavior. 99% of these guys calling women 'fake nerds' or 'attention whores' don't have half the nerd-cred that I do, if you want to get into a pissing contest about it. These girls are allowed to be nerds about whatever they want, whatever comics they want, and they can demand that the stories be kinder to their gender. If someone called a black dude a 'fake nerd' because he likes Superman or Batman comics, and he should really be liking something 'more black', we'd all be completely fucking appalled. So why aren't we ticked off when this happens to women?

      Anyway, AC, maybe you have your reasons for wanting to make sure your shitty attitude and opinions are hidden behind this cloak of anonymity, but I suspect it's because you're a coward that doesn't actually have the courage of their convictions. I may strongly disagree with the post I responded to, and maybe Ms. Sarkeesian isn't right about everything, but at least they're willing to put their names to their opinions.

    22. Re:And? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      What racism is that?

      (Also, it's worth pointing out that I'm not strictly just 'white'. I'm half-asian, so I pass for white in day-to-day life, so for the sake of argument in this regard, I AM white.)

    23. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This post is a good example of blame shifting. By shifting the blame of sexism onto women who haven't made the non-sexist games, you think you can claim your hands are clean, right?

      My post has nothing to do with blame. My post is about responsibility and independence.

      Have you seen Sarkeesian's new video? It's about damsels in distress - women who are portrayed as powerless, waiting for some male protagonist to rescue them from their problems.

      By the same principle, I'm suggesting women to stop acting powerless and become independent (ie. their own game makers). Stop waiting for the existing male-dominated industry to address their problems.

      Heck, let's apply it in general

      No, let's not. My comment is for this specific issue, where the very complaint is that women are depicted as powerless, unable to solve their own problems.

      What would you suppose we do? Legislate and forcefully shut down sexist video games and their makers? Who's going to do that? The MALE dominated government, with MALE dominated lawyers, executed by MALE dominated police? That kinda defeats the purpose

      Here's an alternate idea: assume that women are complete human beings and that sexism is wrong.

      That IS my idea! I assume women are complete human beings, capable of handling the responsibility of solving their own problems. Stop waiting for existing male-dominated game developers to change their minds (they are, as you said, just following the free market. You'll be waiting for a long time).

      And even if you are a man, realize that you probably have a sister, daughter, or niece who will see this sexist crap and see it as a red flag to stay in her assigned gender role...or else!

      Which is precisely why I encourage women to step OUTSIDE of their assigned roles, and become game developers and company owners.

      Here is a list of bigoted statements:
      * If those n*****s want to play golf, they should just build their own golf club
      * If those f**s want equal rights, they should move to San Francisco
      * If those b*****s want to play our sexist games, they can start their own game companies

      Then it's a good thing I didn't make those statements.

      I should note that all those groups (blacks, homosexuals, women) did in fact take matters into their own hands. Heard of MLK? Rosa Parks? The Civic Rights movement? Pride parades? Women's suffrage?

      The people being oppressed themselves marched and protested. They put their own lives on the line to get their equality.

      I'm simply suggesting today's feminists follow their mothers and sisters that came before them.

      Yeah, I know, sexist video games aren't the greatest form of bigotry that exists. But it is a type of bigotry. And it should be resisted.

      Sure! Now ask yourself: so how likely is it that the existing, male-dominated, free market minded game developers will start resisting?

      Let's pretend for a moment that you are right, and I'm just blame shifting. Ok, so it's up to "me" to do something? But hey - I'm supposedly just a sexist bigot. Why would I do anything? You're leaving your (women's) fate into my hands, and you are painting me as the bad guy.

      Ask yourself: would a bad guy care about you or the women?

    24. Re:And? by Aglassis · · Score: 1

      That IS my idea! I assume women are complete human beings, capable of handling the responsibility of solving their own problems.

      Wrong. Sexism isn't just a problem for women as racism isn't just a problem for African Americans. It is all of our problem and we all have a duty to act. You cite MLK, but you forget that he wasn't successful just because he mobilized African Americans. He mobilized just as many Caucasians as well. You cite the suffrage movement, and miss the same point. They mobilized just as many men as women. And the LGBT rights movement today--it is primarily driven by straights who despise bigotry.

      Stop putting all of the duty to fix the problem on women. Men have just as much of a duty to fight for equal rights. It is insane to think that we should have separate game publishers for men and women. Sanity comes by the realization that by eliminating sexism, games can be inclusive to everybody.

      --
      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    25. Re:And? by Applekid · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Stopped reading at Anita Sarkeesian. She's not only a fraud, but trollbaiter of the highest order. Check it out, she's the master of self-victimization.

      --
      More Twoson than Cupertino
    26. Re:And? by Cstryon · · Score: 1

      My wife tells me her Batman fantasies all the time. I want to be macho like batman, my wife wants to do things to batman!

      --
      Indoctrinate : to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments Educate : to develop mentally, morally, or aestheti
    27. Re:And? by Cederic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Hulk or Superman aren't FEMALE sex fantasies, they're MALE power fantasies.

      Oh, ok. That's not sexist at all then.

      Hang on - I'm a man, and I don't fantasise about being muscle-bound and powerful. Stop fucking stereotyping me you sexist cunt.

      (before we get to all the other feminist issues surrounding equality of pay, access to health services, work, etc., etc.)

      ..and life expectancy, retirement age on a state pension (in the UK), equality of childbirth time off work, custody and access to children following divorce, safety from assault, legalised workplace discrimination against me, etc., etc.

      Don't fucking pretend it's all one-way traffic.

      Trust me, I think equality's a fantastic ideal. I'd love to get some.

    28. Re:And? by Aglassis · · Score: 1

      Stop fucking stereotyping me you sexist cunt.

      Quick question: did you have a moment of cognitive dissonance when you wrote that sentence?

      --
      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    29. Re:And? by Applekid · · Score: 1

      It's been the traditional male role...imposed by MEN. And, actually, once women got out into the workforce, they were still forced into the same gender roles as before, just with less time on their hands. But in any case, that's not an excuse, it's just part of a larger problem. Why do those gender roles exist? Why are we so bad at overturning them? Why do more women graduate with undergraduate degrees, but fewer complete graduate studies? Why are women expected to take care of children and put THEIR careers on hold? Hmm?

      So, do you really believe all the men came together and said "mwa ha ha we're going to impose these roles on these people because they have no free will at all?"

      You raise good questions, but I don't think we have all the answers, and certainly "men" is not the cause of these ills. It's a convenient answer, sure. It's an answer that can inspire guilt and therefore guilting men into doing what you want. But it's not the right answer, and the truth deserves more respect than that.

      --
      More Twoson than Cupertino
    30. Re:And? by Aglassis · · Score: 1

      In Israel right now there is a law banning thin models. To protect the feelings of the whales.

      You don't understand this. This is to protect young girls from thinking they must starve themselves to meet our society's view of beauty:

      * Eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness
      * A study by the National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders reported that 5 - 10% of anorexics die within 10 years after contracting the disease; 18-20% of anorexics will be dead after 20 years and only 30 - 40% ever fully recover
      * The mortality rate associated with anorexia nervosa is 12 times higher than the death rate of ALL causes of death for females 15 - 24 years old.
      * 20% of people suffering from anorexia will prematurely die from complications related to their eating disorder, including suicide and heart problems

      Ref

      --
      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    31. Re:And? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      No. I use the word 'cunt' to describe people of all genders. See also: Cock.

    32. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh PLEASE. The whole point of the GP was that men ALSO have it so rough. My goodness, all these men running around in movies ALSO being sexy. There's no problem!

      That doesn't excuse you lumpy every single male character as for men, dismissing possibility that there are male characters that cater to women.

      Of course Han Solo is for men/boys. I wanted to BE Han Solo when I was a kid. That's a good way to sell toys.

      The plural of anecdote is not data. It's just your word against the GP's.

      Han Solo is attractive to women as a side benefit--as part of his persona. But he wasn't there for the ladies. They're just collateral damage.

      I would note that these two statements of yours sound awfully sexist. You're painting a picture where women are of little consequence, "collateral damage" and "side benefit".

      And I didn't say those words. You did.

      I mentioned those other characters because they're popular to point to and say

      Which is a strawman, as the GP didn't point to those other characters. You're generalizing all male characters. That no less discriminatory as video games using tropes against women.

      It's been the traditional male role...imposed by MEN. And, actually, once women got out into the workforce, they were still forced into the same gender roles as before, just with less time on their hands

      No, it is imposed by both men and women, and affects both men and women.

      A man who doesn't fulfill the traditional male roles is seen as weak by their fellow men, and shunned as an unacceptable candidate for companionship by women.

      This continues despite more women being in the work force. Women, despite having entered the workforce, still wonder where have all the "good men" go (as in, men who fulfill traditional male roles, which basically boils down to providing for the women)

      Why do those gender roles exist? Why are we so bad at overturning them?

      I'm guessing it's because of attitudes like yours, where you make it sound like it's ALL the men's fault. You won't get much sympathy from someone if you generalize their entire group as being the bad guys. You might even get a lot of backlash (as seen in the case of Sarkeesian)

      Why do more women graduate with undergraduate degrees, but fewer complete graduate studies? Why are women expected to take care of children and put THEIR careers on hold? Hmm?

      Why do more men lose custody of their children? Why do more men get incarcerated than women, with harsher/longer sentences? Hmm?

      Nice, it's their fault again. See how this keeps popping up?

      As I said replying to the other guy, it's not about blame, but becoming independent.

      Why is it so weird to demand--as I'm trying to--that we portray women in a way that's equitable and inoffensive?

      I'm not saying it's weird. I'm saying women can create and fulfill that demand themselves, instead of waiting for the male dominated industry to come along and save them.

      Again, you're just making excuses for your shitty behavior. Or at the very least, you're making apologies for others' shitty behavior.

      I have not and am not making any excuses for your behavior ;)

      I'm sorry, but it's not me who wants to get into a, as you say, pissing contest.

      99% of these guys calling women 'fake nerds' or 'attention whores' don't have half the nerd-cred that I do, if you want to get into a pissing contest about it

      You're only validating my point that gender roles affects both genders. In your mind, it's somehow "ok" to get into pissing contests with guys, but somehow not girls (say, what if I'm a girl?). Or maybe they can, but

    33. Re:And? by Jiro · · Score: 1

      Don't be a prick.

    34. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What really is the difference between Lara Croft and Fabian? Don't know who he is? Google it and you will find he is a model who appears on countless romance novel covers and NOT because he is a novelist.

      Have to stop you right the fuck here. If you're going to go on a rant, at least don't confuse Fabiano Forte with Fabio Lanzoni. I think women like the hunky, long haired stud more than the 70 year old crooner.

      Media can NEVER show reality (which is why people who take 1984 as a prophecy as such idiots) because the writer WROTE everything as if he/she was god.

      I think you're confusing "Media" with "Fiction". Substituting this makes your statement tautologically true. Fiction can never accurately portray reality BECAUSE IT'S FICTION.

      However, I couldn't help but accidentally see that you also misspelled Carrie Fisher's name just after your rant about breast and penis size. What's worse, you don't seem to be making any sort of point. Sure, there are sex symbols in media for both sexes and various orientations, but it's rude to give false choices to your readers.

      If Lara Croft was solely designed as a sex symbol, the shower scene in the game would actually have shown anything, her clothes would have torn, the camera would be centered on her front and she wouldn't be completely a-sexual in her activities. OR she is just a game hero packaged attractively.

      Why can't it be both? Does something need to be overtly sexual in order for it to be titillating, or more specifically, attract a buyer?

    35. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice straw man.

    36. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess he could bang your wife, but that wouldn't bring back his parents.

    37. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You.. aren't aware of the changes made by society and government bcause of MLK? You think all he did was... what? Speeches that resulted in nothing? That Pride Parades are both the means and the ends? That Pride Parades aren't about helping change perspectives so that culture stops being as prejudiced?

      I'm... rather speechless

    38. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but have you ever stopped and thought that maybe lara croft isn't a MALE sex fantasy but a FEMALE power fantasy, and likewise, all male video game characters are simply female sex fantasies? Now, I'm not going to claim that's true for an instant, but I am going to say that by the logic you just used above, my argument holds perfectly valid. If you want to see everything as sexist, by your own choosing, you can make it, whether it is or isn't.

      I was just thinking, the borderlands franchise. I've always played the siren class, I'm male. Is this because I think they're hot? No. If I was looking for a male power fantasy, couldn't I play as one of the three male protagonists? Of course I could, but no, I choose to play as the siren. Why? Because her set of abilities fit my gameplay style extremely well, and honestly, the siren class is stupidly powerful. But I've got a feeling that you'd look at the siren class as being sexist simply on the grounds of *gasp* she's got tits and hips. I mean, really, what does it take for a female character to not be considered sexist? Does she have to be homely? God knows, none of the male characters come across in physique as anything I could ever hope to relate to, yet you don't see me going around screaming about it being sexist.

      I honestly think that if a character is a sex fantasy or a power fantasy is entirely on yourself and how you choose to view it, and sex/power fantasy can be flip flopped simply by looking at it through the eyes of the opposite sex. If lara croft is nothing but a male sex fantasy, then please, oh please explain to me how it can't be owned by the female mindset to become a power fantasy, much as apparently superman is a power fantasy for me?

    39. Re:And? by Belial6 · · Score: 1
      You are a misandrist.

      Why do those gender roles exist?

      Men did not impost the traditional male role. The modern gender roles have been formed over hundreds of years and have been a back and forth evolution between the genders and technology. If you want to understand modern gender roles, you have to go well into prehistoric times. In the end, they come down to the inability for a 9 month pregnant woman to chase down and spear a caribou in the dead of winter.

      Why are we so bad at overturning them?

      Because traditions exist. They exist because most people are very bad at analyzing the ramifications of their actions beyond the here and now. For tens of thousands of years, those that strayed too far off the beaten track were much more likely to be eaten by a pack of hungry wolves. Thus sticking to the status quo has been a survival instinct for both men and women.

      Why do more women graduate with undergraduate degrees, but fewer complete graduate studies?

      Because people are lazy. That's right people. From the time they leave the womb, little girls are taught that they CAN have a career. That they CAN provide for themselves. It is always 'CAN'. Little boys are told that they HAVE to have a career. That they HAVE to provide for themselves. Like it or not, the humans that are the most career driven are the humans that feel the MUST be career driven. The humans who feel that being career driven is a choice will have a lot more of them choosing not to do the extra work. Women not putting as much effort into education is a classic case of correlation not being causation.

      Why are women expected to take care of children and put THEIR careers on hold?

      That one while still having a pretty simple answer, has more than one factor. First, as stated above, men have it drilled into them from birth that if they don't succeed in their careers, they are failures, and may very well starve. At the very least, they will have crappy lives. Women on the other hand have it drilled into them from birth that having a good career is simply a choice. When two people in a relationship, one of them sees their career as an option, and the other sees their career as a requirement, it should not be a mystery which one is going to "put their careers on hold".

      That is just some couples though. Remember, when a group of people are told that they don't have to work, a decent percentage of them will choose not to. Our gender roles give most women the excuse to stop working, and they have been taught since birth that working is a lifestyle choice.

      No doubt, there are also cases of the man insisting that he not take the time off, but it is pretty darn callous to imply he is being unfair just because he has had it beaten into him every day of his life that if he doesn't provide, he will be alone and destitute if he doesn't keep his career on track.

      It's been the traditional male role...imposed by MEN.

      This is the biggest lie. Women are full and equal partners in defining and enforcing gender roles. They sleep with men who are crass. They marry men who are 'good providers'. They teach their daughters that they don't have to provide for themselves. That working is a choice. They read and promote books like 'The Rules'.

      Why is it so weird to demand--as I'm trying to--that we portray women in a way that's equitable and inoffensive?

      Because it is considered weird to demand that we portray people in a way that's equitable and inoffensive. The fact that you only see this as a problem when it is women who are not the hero shows just how deep your misandry runs. We could trade examples, both private and public of misogyny and misandry. The list could almost literally go on forever. Either way, there are tons of media that treat both genders fairly as well as badly.

    40. Re:And? by ndogg · · Score: 1

      You're right, no one needs to be protected from bad media, but shouldn't the media (which is comprised of human beings) strive to do better when it's pointed out that what they're doing is shitty?

      Sure, you can be a racist, misogynistic asshole, and no one needs to be protected from that, but don't you want to not be an asshole?

      Sometimes the point isn't about protecting someone from the "bad media," but rather pointing out shitty things being said/done in hopes that those people will be a little self-reflective, and decide not to be a piece of shit.

      --
      // file: mice.h
      #include "frickin_lasers.h"
    41. Re:And? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I'm not discriminated against because of my looks or gender.

      You are fooling yourself. Try getting a job in a maternity ward. Try getting a job as a kindergarten teacher. Try giving a neighbor kid a hug. Try complaining about domestic violence. Try getting custody of your kids in a divorce. Try getting public assistance if you cannot afford to eat. We literally have federal programs that specifically exclude you. The fact that you can claim that you are not discriminated against when one of our national safety nets specifically excludes you because of gender is indisputable proof that you are a "self hating dude who seems to enjoy a bit of self-flagellating ( of the decidedly non sexual variety) in order to feel modern and right."

    42. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't forget anything. What you said is just
      irrelevant. My point is that it was MLK who mobilized the Caucasians, not the other way around.

      And the LGBT rights movement today--it is primarily driven by straights who despise bigotry.

      Apples and oranges. LGBT issues don't involve about not being able to become responsible and independent. Saying "it took a straight man to lead and save the LGBTs" isn't a big deal. Saying "it took a man to lead and save the women and give them independence"? That's a contradiction.

    43. Re:And? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Every actor acts a role defined by the writer.

      Charlie Sheen might disagree with you on that one.

    44. Re:And? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

      Being a victim and being in need of protection are two different things.

      That doesn't mean we shouldn't address cultural systems that makes victims.

      I'm not sure how to read your comment. You state that 1-3 above are bigot, and go on to support them.. isn't the "bad media" the ones explaining people that they are victims?

    45. Re:And? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      I'm Canadian. Your government's bad behaviour is your business. Moreover, your government's bad behaviour is widespread and often genderless, or along class lines. But in any case, government programs that exclude men usually do so because of the existing imbalance between men and women. This is the same thing as providing ramps outside buildings: the ramp isn't there to FAVOUR people in wheelchairs, it's there so that people in wheelchairs are closer to parity. We sometimes treat people differently in order to treat them equally. It's the difference between identical and equal--you and I are equal, but we're not identical.

      Who controls the money in the World? In North America? In the USA?

      Men.

      Who controls the political power?

      Mostly men.

      Who writes the laws?

      By and large, men.

      There are a few cases where men suffer some form of discrimination, and it doesn't undo the considerably higher and more ingrained sexism against women. And most of the time we see cases of discrimination against men, it's a subtle form of discrimination against women.

      More women are nurses because that's a 'female' role. They're confined to a box, so it's harder for men to get in. But I bet you didn't know that male nurses make more and are promoted into management faster. (At least, that's the case in Canada.)

      The myth of the stranger-rapist hiding in the dark is a different issue entirely. It's wrong, usually racist, and ugly. But women still get raped by men. Kids get raped by men (and usually men they know) a lot more than by women.

  25. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I noticed that Americans have a big problem with girly girls. They all want their women to have male personalities but with boobs.

    So you're saying Americans are secretly gay?

  26. Multilevel win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    This is a win on so many levels.
    I'd wager that first and foremost this dad did this without any ulterior motives. He simply made a lovely gift to his beloved daughter.
    But he did more than that, whether he intended to or not.
    He implicitly stated (to his daughter) that he, as a man, is perfectly ok with a woman rescuing a man. He may not even have done this consciously. His daughter may not even consciously see or understand this message. But he makes a nice example.
    He also showed his daughter, that it is possible to change the "current state of affairs".
    And yes, all of this would be a non-news if not 97% (made up on the spot, but probably not far from the truth) of all games reinforced the stereotype of the female damsel in distress with the male hero - or the sex-objectified heroine

    1. Re:Multilevel win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, damn those manipulative three-year-olds. Always getting their parents to do things through subversion and coercion. Those infants are even worse. Why don't they just do it all themselves?! Especially the coding and hacking of ROMs.

  27. If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    .. a pink handbag and umbrella arn't the first things you'd pick. Not unless you wanted to ask him out on a date of course.

    1. Re:If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla by auLucifer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you seen what women carry in their handbags? I'd rather be hit with a mallet than whatever they're hiding in there!

      --
      If I was witty I'd put something funny here but, as it stands, I am not and have just wasted seconds of your life
    2. Re:If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      I have it on good authority that the Queen carries a brick in hers.

    3. Re:If you're going to defeat a 10 foot gorilla by buxomspacefish · · Score: 1

      My handbag isn't pink, but the 40 cal full of hollow points in it would stop a gorilla... And that umbrella might be an umbrella sword or a laser or something else equally silly. It is a video game after all...

  28. Actually I suspect it was more a case of... by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... dad had a convenient excuse to spend some quality time hacking.

    Wife: Hey, why the fsck are you still sitting in front of that computer, its 1am! You love that thing more than me. I'm sick of it! Come to bed and treat me like a woman!

    Dad: I'm giving matriachal empowerment to the characterisation of this game for the sake of our daughters self esteem.

    Wife: Oh , well, ok then! Night!

    Dad: Heh , sucker. Now, lets see what this ISR does...

    1. Re:Actually I suspect it was more a case of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Dad: Heh , sucker.

      FTFY

  29. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, they don't seem to be particularly happy unless they're abusing someone elsewhere.

    Fun Fact: Pink only became a "woman's" colour at the beginning of the last century. Before that, men wore clothes of that colour quite frequently.

  30. Teach her something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What do you do when your daughter wants the girl to be the hero of your old video game?"

    Tell her "That isn't how the world works. Go make me a sandwich."?

  31. Debian & Galaxy please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donkey Kong for Debian & Android Galaxy SIII please!

    1. Re:Debian & Galaxy please by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      Download MAME Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator. It's Available for Linux and Android platforms. Then Google around for a ROM set for your mame version number.

  32. Re:Gender roles by nametaken · · Score: 2

    This is all anyone needed to say about this story.

  33. Who is this...Mario? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The three characters are Pauline, Donkey Kong (now Cranky Kong), and Jump Man.

  34. Cool by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    Now that is cool!

  35. In other news ... by moeinvt · · Score: 2

    Members of PETA hacked the game to make the human the villain and the monkey the hero.

    Oh, wait...

    1. Re:In other news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh hey it's Donkey Kong, Jr

  36. Topless Tapper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slinging beer in a topless bar. That there's a hack your grandpappy can be proud of.

  37. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I say this with all sincerity, and as a father of a 3-year-old daughter.

    Your post is a CMOH.

    Posted anonymously cause I'm actually a little embarrassed about it.

  38. Can he hack Dragon's Lair next? by tekrat · · Score: 1

    I'd love to see more of Daphne in that see-through dress swinging her sword to save Dirk.... Of course, that's a bit more involved since it was all hand-drawn animation.

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
  39. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Baby boys went home from the hospital in pink, and girls in blue.

  40. Cool / Cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The coder in me says, wow thats cool! The dad in me says, thats cute.

  41. Popeye by pcjunky · · Score: 1

    This remindes me of the mod my brother did for a company, Palm City Music many years ago. They wanted to make their own brand of Pac-Man. So they got Mark to reverse engineer the Pac-Man ROMs and modify the characters to look like the the head of Popeye and the energy pills to look like cans on spinach. The Ghosts? They became pirates.

  42. Re:Gender roles by alva_edison · · Score: 4, Informative

    I see gender roles are still alive and well, with Pauline using pink umbrella's and pink handbags in her quest to defeat Donkey Kong...

    Has no one actually played Donkey Kong? Those were from the original game as the icons for bonus points. They were Pauline's items that she tossed for Mario to pick up. If he were going to really flip that aspect, he should change the color/style on the umbrella, and maybe make the purse a lunch pail or something. But that's more sprite editing.

    --
    He effected a bored affect.
  43. Robotnik by tepples · · Score: 1

    stopping Big Oil from harming cute animals.

    I know you love you some Sonic the Hedgehog, but I'm not sure it'd be so easy to hack Donkey Kong (Pie Factory Edition) for NES to correspond to your recommended plot changes.

  44. Goombas lived in peace, Toads invaded by tepples · · Score: 1

    Mario kidnapped the Princess (and the mother of the Koopalings), Koopa rescued her, and now Mario is running around killing everything in the Mushroom Kingdom.

    If true, that'd confirm the theory I'd had all along: Goombas lived in peace, Toads invaded, Goombas hired the mercenary group Koopa Troop to freeze the Toads into blocks and take Peach as a POW, Mario had to meddle in this war and help the Toads.

    1. Re:Goombas lived in peace, Toads invaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Peach is a POW, better make sure nobody bumps her, otherwise we're all in for a bit of a shock.

  45. Donkey Kong marriage proposal by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 1

    One time I hacked Donkey Kong on Atari 2600 for a guy who wanted to propose using a message embedded in the game. The text in the screenshot looks funny because it's necessary to use a flickering trick to display text on the 2600 -- it looks better on the actual machine.

  46. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pauline using pink umbrella's and pink handbags

    What, except your educational handicap, was the reason for putting an apostrophe in "umbrella's"? Go back to the NASCAR site, moron.

  47. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet, we still have the argument about DRM, the argument about sexism, and an argument about environmentalism. It's pretty clear that a lot of Slashdot's commenterbase doesn't actually care what is in the article, they just like their own rants.

  48. Re:Oh boy... by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    'Hope it was at least entertaining.'

    No.

  49. Re:Oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the brain programming in the original version is actually DISempowering. Princess must be rescued? That'd piss me off if I were a girl. It's a bullshit message. Girls are not possessions. I know I like my girls to be strong and capable. I hate having to rescue girls all the damned time; I don't need the ego boost and I find it exhausting. I like the kind of woman who have my back in a fight, and vice/versa. Makes for much happier and productive partnerships.

    Anyway, the act of hacking media is the true empowerment here, not the gender thing.

    Here's a little girl who now understands, thanks to her dad, that the world needn't be taken at face value, that if you're smart and willing, you can take the defined world shoved at you by the corporate authorities and either ignore it or change it according to your desires. And they can't stop you! That opens up possibilities and confidence in countless areas of life.

    That's a great message to absorb as a kid, I think.

  50. Why is this special? by L1mewater · · Score: 1

    I'm sure someone above has already asked this, but I'm surprised it wasn't the first post. People have been easily hacking NES roms to switch around or replace sprites for about fifteen years or so. There is already a HUGE body of Donkey Kong rom hacks that change the game graphics, and there is no doubt in my mind that a version of this exact hack has been around about that long. You can find even more hacks of the original Super Mario Bros, replacing Mario with a woman, a klansman, Mike from MST3K, or just about anyone. Why is this particular hack suddenly news?

  51. Book covers by phorm · · Score: 2

    I'm fairly sure that cheap "romance" novels aren't marketed at men... but the covers on those are fairly oversexualized as well.
    As for the big bulky superheroes... my wife was pretty happy with the scene where "Thor" went shirtless, so I'd say that's not "just for men" either.

  52. What girlfriend? by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

    I always thought I was saving my big hairy, yet easily influencable lover from that blonde haired vamp who tried to turn him around.

    I considered it a tragic ending when he finally fell.

  53. This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the equivalent of making a LEGO line of products for girls...it's stupid and unnecessary. I had no problem playing as a woman when Super Metroid came out for the SNES. Good job dad, you just made the gender distinction more distinct.

    The only cool thing was the hack...not the intent.

    1. Re:This by jpatters · · Score: 1

      Um, no.

      The problem with the LEGO products for girls is that they are steriotypically feminized, and the themes of the sets reinforce the idea that girls and women can't do anything significant with their lives except shop and perform domestic chores. The Donkey Kong hack on the other hand, communicates the message that girls and women can perform the same feats as boys and men.

      --
      "Remember, there never were pineapple-almond cookies here."
  54. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the daughter finds them OK, what's wrong with it? Maybe she likes "girly" things.

    According to the feminists, it's wrong to like girly things. She only likes girly things because men make her like them.

    It's all awesome female free will and self determination, until she chooses the wrong answer, then it's only because she's abused by society and evil men.

  55. Selfish genes vs patriarchy by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    This shows how bogus concepts like patriarchy really are. People are much more loyal to real things like their daughters than they are to virtual ones like their gender.

    Given a choice any sane person would ignore pretty much any principle or law if following it would not be in their children's interest, because from an evolutionary point of view that is a very valuable trait - parents that don't will tend not to reproduce very successfully.

    Once you work out you're basically a machine programmed to breed silly ideas like laws and morals all cease to have any real meaning.

    --
    echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
  56. Re:Gender roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In swapping Mario and Pauline, he used sprite editing. I know it's slashdot, so nobody ever R's TFA, but Just as Mario never had a "get taken away by Donkey Kong" animation, Pauline never had running, jumping, hammer smashing, or death animations. He had to edit the sprites and modify their palettes.

    I guess that's not as obvious an inference as I assumed.

  57. Bumping AND grinding by tepples · · Score: 1

    If Peach is a POW, better make sure nobody bumps her

    How do you think the Koopalings got made? It appears to have been male Koopa Troop members (other than Bowser, apparently) bumping Peach.

  58. Heroine by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"What do you do when your daughter wants the girl to be the hero"

    Sorry, you can't without a sex change operation. But you can help her be the heroine!

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heroine

  59. Obligatory by Snufu · · Score: 1

    Mario rescued first.

  60. Re:Gender roles by chrismcb · · Score: 1

    Well TFA mentions she likes to play Princess Toadstool in Super Mario Bros 2.

  61. "these guys" already have that version of DK by supervico · · Score: 2
  62. Re:Oh boy... by SillyHamster · · Score: 1

    It's a pity you got hit with offtopic. It is relevant to the discussions triggered by the story.

    It was a nice nerd-ish thing for a dad to do for his little girl, but people seem to be reading more into it than they should.

    How is a man accommodating a girl showing female empowerment? It would be if her mom did it, but all this shows the little girl is that her Daddy is cool. That's still a good thing, but it's a different kind of good thing.

  63. Great! Where can I get a copy of the hacked ROM? by dudeman2 · · Score: 1

    Subject line says it all. I want this.