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EU Car Makers Manipulating Fuel Efficiency Figures
pev writes with a report in The Guardian that "European car manufacturers are rigging fuel efficiency tests by stripping down car interiors, over inflating tyres, taping over panel gaps and generally cheating. This overestimates the figures by 25% to 50%. One would have thought that a simple clause stating that cars have to be tested in the conditions that they are sold in would have been obvious?"
Haven't we all been taught to take all of these "tests" with a grain of salt?
Fuel efficiency tests are for comparison purposes. If all makers cheat equally, comparisons are still meaningful. When legislators set an standard, they'll probably take that into account and make the standard a bit tighter.
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If all we have to do is over inflate your tires, tape over the panel gaps, and keep your car empty ( find somewhere else to park your junk ), to get 25% - 50 % better gas milage, why don't we all do it ?
This is no different from dot matrix printer specifications from long ago. Sure your printer would do 250cps as long as all the characters were the number 1.
This topic comes up every time we discuss fuel efficiency on here. Someone inevitably complains that the high-efficiency European cars are not available in the US, and then someone else points out that the Euro cars would not do very well on the EPA test. Hijinks ensue.
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Over inflating tires maybe not, but taping over panel gaps for -10% in fuel would interest a lot of people.
The EPA standards that were implemented in 2008 supposedly imposed tougher standards on manufacturers, taking into account colder temperatures, faster driving, and AC use. I found in my own car I get much better mileage than what the window sticker advertised. A little surprised the US seems better regulated on this one small issue.
Another way to cheat is they use diesel, which is more energy dense.
For the sarcasm-impaired, I am very much in favor of diesel and have been complaining for at least a decade that we don't get a good selection of diesels in the U.S. All I want is a diesel sports sedan with manual transmission. My only choice right now is the Jetta. No thanks.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Why do they let the automakers run the test? Instead the regulatory bodies should ask for 3 production samples and an application fee and then the regulatory body should do the tests themselves.
When Consumer Reports wants to test a product (including cars), they don't go to the manufacturer, much less let the manufacturer run the testing process! They buy the product anonymously at normal retail, and then test it in their own labs. Why can't regulatory agencies like the EPA and its European Union equivalent do the same thing?
You both drive like pussies.
You can get your mileage well under 20. Just maintain over 5k RPM at all times.
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The reason overinflating tires reduces fuel consumption is that it reduces the contact patch between the car and the road. Unless designed for that smaller contact patch it means worse braking distance and handling.
I'm continually amazed at how much more effort and creativity people seem to put into shortcuts to money and various get rich quick schemes, rather than boring, honest work.
Suit A:"We're losing money and marketshare! What are we going to do"
Suit B: "The same thing we do every time"
Both in unison: "Layoffs and hire some more lobbyists!"
I've heard there are a lot of consumers who like to be open the doors too.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
A few years back I remembered reading an article from car and driver about them winning a MGP competition put on for the original Honda Insight. The games they played make the cheating going on here seem like the work of petty amateurs. Of course that was for fun and bragging rights for the magazines that participated so excessive bending of the rules was to be expected. If interested I suggest reading the article "How We Won the Insight Fuel-Economy Challenge. Without Cheating. Much". I am surprised that the car manufactures in the EU also don't try lowering the oil level so that it barely covers the oil pickup tube when running thus keeping the crank from hitting the oil in the sump or have most vehicles gone over to a dry sump setup. Also if they are going to disconnect the alternator why not also disconnect the water pump and replace it with an electric one like the drag racers do? Granted it won't work for an extended period of time (the electric racing ones are fairly low volume) but I would imagine the vehicle would survive the test track with it.
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Fashion ... and things like the engine not overheating, the hood and doors being able to open, and other such trivialities...
Optimistic? I think the word you meant was 'bullshit'. There is a difference between something that may be possible under 100% perfect conditions (yet nearly 100% unlikely in real-world conditions)... and something that has been completely rigged in such ways that even in perfect theoretical conditions it is impossible for the car, unmodified and straight from the factory, to ever come close to such manipulated stats.
This is worse than controlled, theoretical lab tests... this is downright crooked. There is absolutely nothing 'optimistic' about it. This is fraud.
... always use independent measuring. Corporations, even in EU, have people at the helm that are fundamental liars.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Personally, I like to blame broccoli for anything that isn't perfect in my life.
Depends on where it's placed, but yes.
If I replaced the worn-out seals around my car's windows, I could probably drop my aerodynamic drag a good 5% ('98 Ford Taurus, the weather-stripping and window seal strips are sticking outwards, thanks to warping from the hot CA sun.)
That increase in fuel efficiency alone (especially at higher speeds) would more than make up for the $30 in DIY stuff to replace it all by hand.
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The obvious takeaway everyone is missing is that this is a nice list of things you can do to increase fuel efficiency, in some cases by up to 25% to 50%! I mean really... Is over-inflating the tires (by the car spec, not the tire safety rating) and taping over infrequently used body gaps all that hard? I even know racers that had body color match vinyl tape for just this purpose... Some hyper-milers even disconnect the alternator and change the battery at home...
This sounds similar to the old days of horsepower ratings, where the engines were stripped of a accessory components, exhaust system, and so on.
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Simple. Animaniacs is MUCH more clever than Corporate America...
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Tire sidewalls are a significant part of any suspension. High pressure tires are not unlike rubber band tires and over-sized wheels. They make for a harsher ride, all other factors being equal.
You should check your facts. High pressure/low rolling resistance tires reduce contact patch area by _design_. That's how they get better mileage. It also explains part of why the Tesla roadster did so badly on 'Top Gears' test track. To be fair the guys at Top Gear gave the Tesla a break by putting better (normal) tires onto the roadster.
That said: All (excepting a very few) stock suspensions are mushy as hell. That should be fixed with shocks, not rock hard tires.
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Over inflating tires is dangerous. The whole idea of the correct tire pressure is to give you the full width of the tire to grip the road. If you over inflate, the tire might not blow, but your stopping distance when having to do an emergency stop, will increase dramatically. The exact amount of grip you lose will also make you lose control in corners much quicker.
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I'm sceptical that stripping seams would make that much difference, you'd be better off with rear wheel skirts and smooth full-moon hub caps on the front. Before that I'd go to low viscosity synthetic engine and transmission oils and bearing grease, then the above. Next I'd get rid of any badges in the airstream and mod the car so the winshield wiper park below the hood out of the airflow. After that you need to get really radical like decent air dams, full belly pans, grill shutters and boat-tail the car. Lots of ideas over at Ecomoder's forums.
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If you have been running your car on regular oil for more then 20-30K miles the oil has formed a glaze on the edge of the gaskets. The gaskets have dried out past the glaze.
When you add synthetic oil it starts to dissolve the glaze. When it gets to the dry gasket it often starts to slow leak. Usually that happens about 3 months after you switch to synthetic.
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