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Canonical and China Announce Ubuntu Collaboration
First time accepted submitter GovCheese writes "Canonical, the software company that manages and funds Ubuntu, announced that the Chinese Ministry of Industry and Information Technology will base their national reference architecture for standard operating systems on Ubuntu, and they will call it Kylin. Arguably China is the largest desktop market and the announcement has important implications. Shuttleworth says, 'The release of Ubuntu Kylin brings the Chinese open source community into the global Ubuntu community.'"
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Canonical is such a train wreck of a company. Doing it all wrong technically and now politically.
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If we can learn something from the history is that any openness won't work well in China. On the positive side we may see a number of drivers for peripheral devices being developed for Ubuntu. In any case, I wish them good luck.
So the Chinese like the idea of their official Linux distro coming with a keylogger pre-installed?
Who would have guessed.
Waiting for some bright minds in Congress to start holding hearings into whether Communist OSs like Linux are responsible for cyberterrorism.
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No accepting upstream patches from Kylin, got it.
In terms of counterintelligence, a smart move on China's part. Although Canonical is UK based, it's significantly easier to migrate from Ubuntu to any other distro than from Windows or OSX, should the need arise. I'm actually quite surprised that Iran isn't doing the same thing. You don't even need to have backdoors in computers of the individuals you're interested in; those of their families are already a big step ahead.
It just keeps getting more bizzare...
The Chinese government tried pushing Linux in the past, research “Red Flag” Linux. It was a failure. I only saw it once. I happened to be in a shop in Xian and I saw it on a computer. Before I could comment on it the sales man assured me that if I purchased the computer they would put a copy of Windows on it “so it could be useful.”
As others have commented, Linux is competing with free copies of Windows. Further, it lacks the games that the Chinese want (also free).
Free as in speech has no ring to the Chinese ear. The issue is broken down to choosing between two flavours of free beer.
Like whatever happened to their RedHat derivative?
Kylin it with fire!!
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Anyone else remember back in the mid-to-late-1990s when China standardized on OS/2? Everyone just ignored it and installed Windows anyway. Hopefully they'll have better luck this time.
Those two go together like Hitler and Mussolini.
I was hoping they'd call it "Chindows"
Red Flag and Qomo have huge followings in China. why are they basing on Ubuntu?
This brings the perspective of a more widespread linux desktop & linux malware into a reality.
I wonder what happened to Red Flag Linux? Red Flag was China's official Linux distro and was supposed to replace Microsoft Windows. Interesting that China is partnering with a U.S. company when they are trying to be independent in all other arenas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Linux
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This is actually a pretty good move for China. China can't trust all the signed binaries from Microsoft , especially after the Microsoft certificates were used to sign the flame malware. With all the cyber-saber-rattling in Washington, its possible they could do the same thing to China with a Chinese Language patch. This way at lest you can compile the source yourself and check for weird additions.
In exchange for this, Ubuntu should become a lot more popular in a country that is currently producing the most volume of Unix systems. For us Linux users, it means that more drivers will be available before release, and they will continue to manufacture motherboards that don't require us to secure boot into Windows 8. I just hope any espionage China uses on its own people doesn't get committed back into the Ubuntu repo.
After all, 60% of the name Kylin has the word Linux shining through.
From using Chinese websites I thought their reference OS is Windows XP with MSIE 6. Try getting any Chinese banking or e-payment systems work on a non MSIE browser...good luck!
... and I'd rate every single comment higher than at the moment. Just saying.
Ok, so .... sendgrid, who fires ppl for being dumbasses, isn't cananonical. Right, carry on ...
It is not the big secret people think it is. Many institutions, including research universities, have a copy. They have a program specially for governments, the Government Security Program.
I mean do you really think the NSA, one of the most institutionally paranoid places there is, would allow Windows to be used if they couldn't audit it? Not hardly.
MS's page on that kind of thing is here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sharedsource/default.aspx
So if China wants it, I'm sure they have it. I think this is more of a "We have to have our own thing since China Strong!" and crap like that. China seems to have ego issues about not having home grown stuff (they aren't they only country that does) and wants to have their own everything. However turns out they aren't always equipped to develop it from scratch, so they often start with something else.
Similar to their "Loongson" microprocessor. It was to be a Chinese CPU, home grown and all that. In actuality they ripped off, and then later licensed, the MIPS architecture and it is a MIPS64 based chip running at 1GHz on a 65nm process.
This sounds similar. "Hey we want an OS, but writing one from scratch is a ton of work and we don't really have enough of the skillset around to do it well. So let's get a Linux distro to start on, and then make it our 'own'."
Just hope it doesn't turn into FORKylin
Yeah, China is large market.
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Huge followings? Quite the opposite.
Why Ubuntu would even care to target mobile phones makes a lot of sense now. This could give Ubuntu an unfair advantage over Android.
Possibly the difference is Canonical has a superstar jetset personality in front of it who's even been to space.
I'm not kidding. That'll help getting the crucial first few seconds of foot-in-door attention with mainstream people outside and inside government.
Also it's (sorta) South African. China is investing massively in Africa, and Africa has never been an Enemy. Together these are good hooks and waay better than from America/Finland and Stallman/Torvalis. Those are no hook at all.
This is enough, though flame me to a crisp for suggesting that Ubuntu may be better, too. _I_ don't like where they're heading these days, but their aggressive pursuit of future-leaning touchscreen masses may well be a really good plan for greater adoption.
Where's the announcement from China? Canonical has a long history of bullshit announcements that some big vendor is going to use their product. They've made that claim in the past for both Asus and Dell. In both cases, the Canonical product never appeared on those platforms, or was a very minor niche announcement.
I'm not finding any announcement about this on China government sites. However, the Ministry of Information Industry Software and Integrated Circuit Promotion Center is listed by Microsoft as an Microsoft Embedded Partner.
Here's a recent policy announcement on open source from CSIP. They encourage using Linux, but Canonical is not mentioned. The action agency on this is the "China Innovative Strategic Alliance for Open Source", but I'm not seeing them associated with Canonical.
is this just another type of first post? Who cares, how often the guy submitted something ...
Because "communism" is what people commonly associate with "enemy" in much of the Western world.
...in much of the United States of America.
FTFY
Sorry for you if you don't get much political choice due to a bipartisan system, split between right-wing and far-right-wing, with more or less similar corporate backing behind both.
In western Europe, Communists are one of the several available party to vote for, although not the most active one. (Socialists are usually the most active on the left wing)
In eastern Europe, Communists are a bunch of politicians who try to ride the nostalgia wave with a doubtful program.
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and chinese support, will run away..
... As there will be a lot of virus being made for Ubuntu now... ;-)
Looks like the foundation for the future of Canonical has been laid. They can partner w/ Beijing, have the government sell Ubuntu in China and give them a few cents of all copies, in return for Beijing outlawing all other OSs. That will make Canonical financially stable, and then they can get into other things as well.
What happens when pointers are censored for appearing critical of the regime? I also expect an announcement like this: "the try and catch keywords have been banned, as exceptions disrupt the harmony of the glorious People's Republic. Functions that do not return data are also impermissible. No void can exist thanks to the fulfilling and benevolent rule of the Party."
and here I was thinking that the Chinese were smart....
With Cannocal's latest move to intergrating online shopping into Unity, it just makes sense to partner with the government of the country who makes all this stuff in the first place.
In other news, new installs of pirate copies of windows have fallen 50% worldwide.
beats the hell out of "ubuntu". jus' sayin'
While the 'free world' gets ever increasingly dumbed down OS choices, the BTIC nations seem to be embracing Linux and FOSS. This is not just a transfer of economics, it's a transfer of knowledge.
Yet another reason to switch to OpenSUSE.
There is no reason for the Chinese to deploy Shuttlecocks bloated Ubuntu crapware since China already has a multitude of home-grown Linux and BSD distros.