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Israeli Firm Makes Kilomile Claims For Electric Car Battery Tech
cylonlover writes with this tantalizing excerpt from GizMag "Israel-based company Phinergy claims to have developed metal-air battery technology that promises to end the range anxiety associated with electric vehicles. The company's battery currently consists of 50 aluminum plates, each providing energy for around 20 miles (32 km) of driving. This adds up to a total potential range of 1,000 miles (1,609 km), with stops required only every couple of hundred miles to refill the system with water."
From TFA (I know, but there were no comments yet ;-):
The company says the aluminum plate anodes in its aluminum-air battery have an energy density of 8 kWh/kg, but the batteries are not rechargeable. Once the energy is expended, the plates, which add up to around 55 pounds (25 kg) per battery, need to be replaced. However, the company points out that aluminum is easily recyclable and that swapping the battery out for a fresh one is quicker than recharging.
That makes it a lot less appealing, I would say...
A kilo is not a unit, it is a prefix meaning 10^3. One kilomile = 1000 miles.
In the end, if the aluminium can be recycled completely to make new batteries, then, this has potential. Depends now on cost, safety, ease of maintenance and most of all performance. You can do 1000 miles.. at what average speed?
Nope. It is suppressed by "Big Physics". Their "recycle the aluminum" isn't what most people think of recycling. It is reprocessing and it takes huge amounts of electricity.
The electricity cost is one reason places like Iceland and Upper Volta have courted ALCOA and other big aluminum smelters. Cheap electricity costs.
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Why was this modded down? If he had said the same thing about South Africa while Mandela was in prison, it would be pumped up to +5 immediately. Israel is an apartheid government, with a state religion! We should be boycotting them AND Saudi Arabia.. but such is the power of money...
So you are also okay with a decipound, two kiloinches and three millifeet?
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Who the fuck came up with that dumb word? Someone needs a nice hearty punch in the dick for that.
omg! They have the audacity to destroy the economy of a group of people whose land they happen to be illegally occupying. Zomg! They have the audacity to decide they like any piece of land being farmed by a Palestinian and illegally raze the land and put up new condos for their "settlers". Zomg^2! They can roll up to any Palestinian occupied farm, park their mobile home, claim harassment and soon have a garrison of Israeli stormtroopers protecting "their" newly settled land. Not to mention the bombing of innocent women and children.
Only I can judge you.
The existing gas stations can easily double as battery stations, too.
Charging stations are much harder because, as you say yourself, the electricity grid is not up to the extra loads (and probably the power plants neither - there is not that much extra generator capacity available).
"You do realize that whenever one of you assholes boycotts some Israeli company, I make sure to buy 2 of whatever they're selling"
That won't work. Firstly he wanted to draw attention to this BDS Israel boycott, and he succeeded, and you helped him. Pro Israeli mod's used their mod points to drive it to -1, but you are at +2 and it flags the comments for others to read. I would never have read his comment if you weren't there flagging it.
Secondly, each time you buy two, you're wasting your money. It's always easier for him to avoid any Israeli products, because they don't have an exclusive on anything he wants. He doesn't go without, he just chooses a competitor's product. You on the other hand, end up paying twice, and have to buy the Israel product, even if there was better or cheaper ones.
So to him its a triple win, 1. he boycotts Israel, 2. he got you to promote his comment, and 3. you end up being punished for your counter boycott by paying at least double.
Plus you flag yourself as irrationally pro-Israel in any future discussion, which will prevent you from appearing to be any sensible balanced viewpoint on Israel.
Consumers don't want this. They want something to recharge at home during the night without having to visit "stations" in order to refill water or aluminium. Also, we already have a distribution system for electricity and gas, there will be no costly third aluminiumbattery-system.
640 miles should be enough for anyone.
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There has been a claim of "revolutionary battery technology" from some US energy lab every month- carbon nanotubes, lithium air, etc. But few have ramped up to daily production road use. And few have gone bankrupt with $100s millions US DOE grants along the way.
I really, truly hope one of these claims becomes reality one day. I would like a 1000-mile electric car in my garage that costs the same as a petro car.
Seriously, this looks like a great way to range extend electric cars by putting it on a small tow-able trailer, or something that plugs into the rear similar to the trailer hitch carriers.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I love the units used in the summary title. Kilomile? A better statement would be Megameter.
Clue time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan
The South Africans claimed that blacks, coloured, Indians, etc., were not their citizens. They were in fact citizens of powerless, discontinuous territories that were basically controlled by South Africa. Since there was no work in these bantustans, the majority of their population commuted through South African checkpoints each day. They also claimed increasing amounts of territory for their own minority, ethnically defined population.
Also, Israeli's dominant, "centre right" party Likud claims that God wants Jewish Israelis to have all the territory for themselves (all of what was previously British Palestine). South African Boer culture included similar thoughts.
The parallels are not unreasonable.
The map is not the territory.
Get a bigger water tank, and automatic refill system. Or maybe I'm thinking too simple now?
You're not thinking simple enough. Hint: The driver is sucking down a 64 ounce Big Gulp every two hours...
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Israelis do not hold that all Muslims or Arabs are not citizens. That is an important distinction which you miss, unintentionally or otherwise. There were no suicide bombers in SA either.
If the battery were slung under the vehicle (as an another Israeli firm called Better Place proposes), then it could even be swapped out just by driving the car on to a ramp where a robotic arm extracts and replaces it in minutes. Also the battery is for exceptional situations so that 1000 miles might deplete very slowly since drivers would rely on rechargeable cells for the most part. So you might only have to do this once a month or once every half a year depending on your driving patterns.
Of course could be lots of reasons that this is a terrible idea. What's the energy cost of producing a battery and recycling it? What's the cost of building out an infrastructure? How many batteries would a car need to haul around to justify the additional range it supplied? Does the battery degrade when it's not in use or when it's used just once? Would other metal-air batteries be safe or cheaper to use? And so on.
And you're not? Surely you use KB, MB, GB, and TB on a regular basis, and they're far greater affronts to uniformity and consistency of prefix usage than any of the examples you've cited, all of which are technically correct despite being non-traditional.
Muslims who hold Israeli citizenship have *exactly* the same rights as Jews...
And they frequently have more rights than they would if they were living in a predominantly-Muslim country. I've met a journalist who is Arab and an Israeli citizen, and he much prefers being able to criticize the decisions made by the Israeli government over living in any of the surrounding countries where doing so would get him executed.
Electronics manufacturers routinely use milli inch = 1/1000 of inch. I think kilo pound is also common to avoid inconsistent definitions of ton.
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Israel does not force Judaism on its citizens. You may be thinking of Hamas in Gaza, which has been enforcing Islam and intimidating people to convert to Islam. They have religious police enforcing dress codes and most recently segregated all schools by gender, including private schools.
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There was a war. About 20 percent of the "palestinians" chose to stay and fight with the Jews. They, and their children, are still living in Israel. Those who voluntarily left were not allowed to return.
.... and then the Government of Israel handed out the land of those who were not allowed to return to Jewish settlers.
That sounds like pretty neat description of ethnic cleansing to me.
I think your first point is fair; there are Muslim/Arab Israeli citizens, and they have representation in their parliament as well. They are very small in number, though, so the net result is the same as South Africa: a single ethnic group that dominates the country.
Your second point I don't agree with. The SA authorities considered the African National Congress to be a terrorist group. There was violence committed by black South Africans and it was called terrorism. Mandela himself was jailed for allegations of terrorism, and not officially for his political ideas. In both cases the violence is only one-sided if you fail to consider the actions of the police and army, who I consider to be perpetrating violence on behalf of the majority and powers that be.
I would like to see one of two things happen in Israel:
1) The Palestinians get a real, viable state. There's different options here, like a demilitarized state, and different possible partitions but it should be a real state and not a bantustan. This option is favoured by some former Israeli intelligence officers as it basically maintains the status quo, but reduces the instability of the conflict.
2) The whole territory becomes part of Israel, and everyone who lives there is an Israeli citizen. Everyone is allowed to vote and has equal protection under the law. Jews would not be a strong majority under these conditions, as the current split in the former British Palestine is about 50/50 Jew/Arab, with more growth on the Arab side.
Right now Israel seem to be combining parts of 1) and 2) to their advantage, which is hardly fair and not sustainable.
The map is not the territory.