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FAA On Travel Delays: Get Used To It

coondoggie writes "The term sequestration has certainly become a four-letter word for many across the country — and now you can count business and regular traveling public among those hating its impact. The Federal Aviation Administration today issued a blunt statement on the impact of sequestration on the nation's air traffic control system, which this week begain furloughing about 10% of air traffic controllers for two days or so per month. It reads as follows: 'As a result of employee furloughs due to sequestration, the FAA is implementing traffic management initiatives at airports and facilities around the country. Travelers can expect to see a wide range of delays that will change throughout the day depending on staffing and weather-related issues. ... Yesterday more than 1,200 delays in the system were attributable to staffing reductions resulting from the furlough.'" U.S. Democrats and Republicans spent the day using the FAA's statement as political fodder rather than working on resolving sequestration.

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  1. Sequestration is a gimmick by pclminion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The same number of dollars could have been cut from specific programs in a way that would have had no noticeable impact on critical and important services. Instead, they chose to impact vital services in order to send a message to the public: "If you ask us to cut budgets, we'll do it in the most painful way possible." It's nothing more than an enormous "fuck you" to the American public.

    1. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by TheGavster · · Score: 5, Informative

      The idea was that if the cuts were applied equally to every program, deals could be made to eliminate some programs to prevent cuts to the truly vital ones (in a sense, forcing choices about what really is vital by acknowledging that there is a finite amount of money to spend). Unfortunately, the goal of neither side was a balanced budget. Rather, cuts were maneuvered to impact the most visible programs so that both sides had fresh mud to sling.

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    2. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can bet the bureaucratic management isn't being cut.

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    3. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, the pubs never intended to compromise or balance the budget. They just want to choke the beast no matter what the people actually want or need.

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    4. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even with sequestration, the number of $$ spent this year is more than the previous year. as such there is no excuse for this.

      having said that, to put it simply, there is no excuse that for example kerry is giving 250 MILLION to eqypt, while we have issues at home. I dont know about the rest of you, but i for one cannot take the idea that americans have enough money to give to other countries, even when we cant open the white house the school kids, and we cant take care of our own people.

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    5. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      no the dems never intended to work with the repubs, they simply wanted to make it look like the repubs were being the bad guys

      see how easy it is when we blame X or Y instead of dealing with the problem known as Z??

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    6. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Easy solution that will never be applied:

      Dismantle the TSA. Use the money saved to cover the air traffic control system's costs, and apply the remainder to actually effective (and much more affordable while simultaneously being less humiliating) safety strategies like bomb-sniffer dogs, police on planes, armed pilots and locks on the cabin door.

    7. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by JustOK · · Score: 2

      if they cut the people who make the cuts then they would have to cut making cuts.

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    8. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference is that dems showed willingness to compromise- they admitted cuts as well as tax increases were neded, and were even willing to discuss cuts to social security. The republicans were not even willing to discuss more revenue. There is no equivalence here, one side is worse than the other.

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    9. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      School districts do this to when levies don't pass. They immediately cut athletic programs and bus service.

    10. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 0

      If everybody agrees on cuts, then how does increasing revenue prevent problems like the one at hand? No matter what happens, spending goes down, so groups just like the FAA complain anyways.

      Stop playing this favoritism game, it's annoying beyond belief.

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    11. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's pretend this is a programming project. You have yearly budget for a salary of three contractors and you have an unmodifiable scope.

      All of the sudden, the higher-ups mandate that you spend 10% less on the project. What are you going to do? The answer: give the contractors fewer hours and push the deadline back. This is exactly what the FAA is doing.

      I love how in your comment you specify that there are "specific programs" that could be cut without elaborating on what those actually are. Without details, you're just an anti-tax troll that wants a solution that most benefits you without thinking about any of the real consequences.

    12. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same number of dollars could have been cut from specific programs in a way that would have had no noticeable impact on critical and important services. Instead, they chose to impact vital services in order to send a message to the public: "If you ask us to cut budgets, we'll do it in the most painful way possible." It's nothing more than an enormous "fuck you" to the American public.

      What exactly has come out of Congress in the last decade that wasn't an enormous "fuck you" to the American public.

      You actually think any of them give a fuck about We the People? Hell no. They give a fuck about who pays them to give a fuck.

      And they're called "Lobbyists" in case you were wondering what 15,000+ people were doing just hanging around Capitol Hill all year long...

    13. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the pubs never intended to compromise or balance the budget. They just want to choke the chicken no matter what the people actually want or need.

      Corrected that for you.

    14. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is that dems showed willingness to compromise- they admitted cuts as well as tax increases were neded, and were even willing to discuss cuts to social security. The republicans were not even willing to discuss more revenue. There is no equivalence here, one side is worse than the other.

      To the best of my knowledge, that is true. The only tax the republicans were willing to raise was the payroll tax. If there were any other tax increase proposals that the republicans even considered negotiable I would definitely like to hear about them.

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    15. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1, Insightful

      pretty much, we need to dismantle some95% of all federal agencies. All they do is cover what state agnencies do. and the 10 amendment leaves the details to the states, not the feds

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    16. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think of it like healthy eating.

      Sure, you can just cut out the sodas, the fast food, the candies.

      But if you want to be really healthy, odds are you need to get some better food as well.

      Or just realize that there's only so much you can cut, before it starts doing more harm, and that to pay for it, you have to increase revenue.

    17. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      It's certainly bogus. The sequestration was created by the same people who should have passed a budget. They could have gotten the same result by just passing the budget.

      Problem is, the two parties can't agree on a budget, and neither is powerful enough to push theirs past the other right now, so they used the sequestration as an attempt to blackmail each other into agreeing to stuff they didn't like.

      We can call this "financial crisis theater", by analogy with "security theater".

      The whole handwringing-over-the-debt thing is bogus to begin with, but that's another topic.

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    18. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 0, Troll

      If the dems agreed to REAL cuts (not cuts from projections, which are not real cuts) that would be one thing. The problem is, I havent seen the democrats agreeing to any cut to anything!, not even mil. spending which we expect from them! no

      by your logic, if one side is worse then then other (while I argue both sides suck major cock) then the bad side would be obama, who has spent trillions in 5 years(, has not closed gitmo - when he promised he would do so in his fist year its year 5) has driven up the costs for most americans in regards to healthcare and to top it ooff claims he has the right to kill any american at any time for any reason, yet charges REAL terrorists as if they are normal americans

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    19. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The difference is that dems showed willingness to compromise- they admitted cuts as well as tax increases were neded, and were even willing to discuss cuts to social security. The republicans were not even willing to discuss more revenue. There is no equivalence here, one side is worse than the other.

      Better cool down with another sip of kool-aid. Guess what, they both want to fuck you, and if you are saying one party is better than the other, then you are being hoodwinked.

    20. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      both parties are at fault. It takes the entirety of congress to agree to fuck over the public, not just a single party.

    21. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only after they already got a tax increase out of the republicans, and only if the republicans would agree to increase taxes even more.

    22. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by NewbieV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not how the bill was written: agencies were given no discretion at all as to what and where they could cut.

      The sequester is part of the Budget Control Act of 2011, but it's not the first time sequestration was used. It was first used in 1985, with the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act.

      The Congressional Research Service published a report on the sequester (PDF link) that provides a very good overview of what sequestration means:

      "In general, sequestration entails the permanent cancellation of budgetary resources by a uniform percentage. Moreover, this uniform percentage reduction is applied to all programs, projects, and activities within a budget account."

      Sequestration is as across-the-board as you can get. Every "program, project and activity" that's not exempt from the sequester gets cut by an equal percentage. That's the way the bill was written, and that's the bill that was passed by Congress and signed into law by the President.

      Sequestration was meant to be as blunt and distasteful an alternative as possible, to give the supercommittee (remember them?) and Congress incentive to come up with a deal.

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    23. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the pubs never intended to compromise or balance the budget. They just want to choke the beast no matter what the people actually want or need.

      Actually, that's only what they want when the Democrats are in the White House. When it's the Republican's turn to drive, they go spend crazy.

      It's a choice between tax-and-spend vs. tax-less-and-spend-more.

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    24. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      simple, they dont expect more money, they make the claim that they shoould fet it, but thats it... so we as americans spend XXX on nothing

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    25. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by makubesu · · Score: 1

      The only reason we are "spending more" this year is because mandatory entitlement programs (unaffected by the sequester) are included in the federal budget.

    26. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love how in your comment you specify that there are "specific programs" that could be cut without elaborating on what those actually are.

      War spending. If you're going to force me to state the fucking obvious, there you go.

    27. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1, Insightful

      the issue is taxes dont need to go up, as a new yorker, i already spend over 60% of my income on taxes.... spending needs to go down. as such fuck anyone who wants more of my money when i can barely pay for my food

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    28. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Maybe the summary is garbled, but 10% for 2 days per month = 10% for 2/30 of the time = a mere 2/3% cut-back.

      Does anyone know what's *really* happening.

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    29. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      +1, Insightful

      if you think the US Government works for the best interests of its citizens, you're hopelessly naive

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    30. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The reason we are spending more this year is because of baseline budgeting. The sequester is just a reduction in the normal, built-in, increase that all budget items have.

    31. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 0

      The FAA doesn't have a war budget.

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    32. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's nothing more than an enormous "fuck you" to the American public.

      Yes it is, and one years in the making. The end game here is the end of Social Welfare. The GOP absolutely can not abide Social Welfare existing
      Social Security? Unemployment? This things are seen as an evil cancer destroying our society. And the GOP in Congress (declared themselves exempt from the Sequestration) will not stop until these programs are abolished.

      However, Corporate Welfare is good, and will be increased in upcoming years while today's 30 somethings are forced to house and feed their unemployable parents who have moved in with them in their studio apartments.

    33. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waaaaaa! Those poor people over there are tearing down the economy! If it wasn't for them we could have 99.999999999% of the wealth instead of just 99.999999998%

    34. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My town has a local police department, therefore there is no need for a state police!

      Such good logic.

    35. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you think the GOP is the only problem here, then you're also part of the problem.

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    36. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government foreign aid: stealing from the poor of rich countries and giving it to the rich of poor countries. All done under the guise of helping those who could really use it to satisfy some basic desires.

    37. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      The cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been roughly 1.4 trillion dollars. Yes, with a T. That completely ignores the lives lost on all sides and the ongoing social effects, also on all sides. When it comes to propping up the middle east to prevent a complete systemic and hostile collapse, which is exactly what would happen if the region was just left to its own internal feuding devices, there is almost no amount of money that is a bad investment. At 1 billion a year of aid/support money it would take 140 years to equal the cost of two screwed up and limited wars. That's a damn fine investment.

      If America pulled all support from the Middle East/Africa so you think it would even be five years before the region had reached the point where enough American interests were threatened that stepping in would no longer be voluntary? Way to save 1.25 Billion in Egypt aid in exchange for conflicts that would make Iraq look like a kid's piggy bank.

      Moron.

    38. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It's nothing more than an enormous "fuck you" to the American public.

      Yes, and invariably the public bends over and says, "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"

      The messaging in both directions couldn't be more clear.

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    39. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that the Federal DOT decided that 60% of the sequestor cuts had to be made to the budget of the FAA. The FAA speands only 20% of the total DOT budget, but was told to reduce their budget by $600 million. Yeah, it does appear that the FAA budget was impacted much more than a reasonable share. Forbes had an article on this in Feb, quoted a FAA deputy administrator.

    40. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      Always makes me laugh that Americans figure 50 some states will spend less money more efficiently than 1 fed.

    41. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Foreign Aid tends to be nothing but local subsidies so get over it. 250 MILLION to Egypt or 250 MILLION to American farmers whose produce is then given for free to Egypt undercutting local producers? And no, they are not the same thing.

      Foreign Aid has been used for a long time to keep the poor as consumers not producers. An African farmer cannot compete with free, so they go out of business.

      Where do you think all the "surplus clothing" goes? To Africa where local clothing shops shut down because they are undercut by low cost 2nd hand stuff. True story.

      This is why many nations do not accept aid even at times when they have little food. Even giving direct currency screws up the economy by driving inflation.

    42. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Helix_Sky · · Score: 5, Informative

      The dems only wanted to raise taxes on the rich, so by your acknowledgement it would not have touched you. The cutoff rate was $200,000 or $250,000 a year. I can't remember which. The part that a lot of people did not understand was that it was a marginal tax rate increase. That means that if you made $200,001 in a year, only $1 would be taxed at the hire rate given a $200,000 cutoff. People seemed to think that once you went into a higher tax bracket, ALL you income would be taxed at the high rate. What that all boils down to is that only the very rich would feel the tax increase.

      On the other hand, it was the GOP that wanted to cut all tax rates but keep it "revenue neutral" by ending some deductions. The problem was that they could never specify what deductions they wanted to end. When economists tried to make head or tails out of it, they only way the GOP plan could work without blowing up the budget was if they eliminated deductions that would disproportionately affect the middle class. There simply weren't enough high end deductions that could be eliminated that would pay for the revenue that would be lost by the tax cuts. The end result is that while the GOP sounded like they wanted to lower taxes, the effective taxes for the middle class would actually go up.

    43. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, you could use that. In fact, we have about $650 billion sitting from the winding down of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      The problem is, the Republicans believe that money should be used to pay down the national debt.

    44. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by sarysa · · Score: 1

      Separation of state and federal responsibilities was put into the constitution for one reason: to allow the unification to occur, period. Since then, it has evolved to allow a decent amount of legal experimentation as well as giving individuals options under the same national umbrella. The local distinction mostly allows for small communities to define their own unique ways of life at a finer level. Local police have been phasing out of this role for some time and tend to be just copies of the local police on the other side of the state. With microcultures disappearing from the US, it's not unthinkable that they could some day be phased out in some states and merged with the state police.

      Somehow I got off on a tangent there but when people talk about federal and state redundancy, they typically aren't talking about the front facing organizations. Instead they are referring to multiple welfare programs targeting the same disadvantage, or internal administrative organizations that do the same task and/or conflict with each other, or multiple organizations that enforce the same law or similar laws. Many of the overlaps don't even need to include both federal and state.

      Don't ask me to list too many examples since I'm on a phone, though I have heard horror stories about Federal and CA ADA/disability laws conflicting with each other.

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    45. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by TheEyes · · Score: 1

      Who modified this insightful? Only one of his outrageous claims is even technically true, and that one is highly misleading (Obama tried to close Gitmo, but was blocked by Senate Republicans who filabustered the bill that would have funded the closure).

    46. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50 states + 1 fed > 50 states is the basic argument. Not saying it would work, but for example right now we have federal, state and local education departments. Seems like at least 1 level too many.

    47. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      When did he say dismantle state agencies?

      Such poor reading skills.

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    48. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1, Troll

      The only reason we are "spending more" this year is because mandatory entitlement programs (unaffected by the sequester) are included in the federal budget.

      Technically, we haven't had a 'federal budget' in years. Harry Reid won't allow a sensible one to come to the floor of the Senate. He only allows Obama's jokes to be entered, which event the Democrats can't bring themselves to vote for.

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    49. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 1

      Giving money to Egypt is analagous to the handouts to urban dwellers in major u.s. cities... the purpose being to keep the natives from getting restless. Just imagine trying to contain the chaos in places like Chicago/Detroit/L.A. if the freebies were to come to an end.

    50. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, they already caved on taxes for the "fiscal cliff" deal. The dems wanted to go for another round of tax increases.

      The administrators of each department are responsible for how their budget is spent and could prioritize spending to minimize the impact on their current customers. But that would take WORK and it's much easier to just furlough workers indiscriminately especially if that's seen as the best way to pressure those holding the purse to fork over more money.

    51. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spending did go down. So you should be happy.

    52. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by thoth · · Score: 1

      The same number of dollars could have been cut from specific programs in a way that would have had no noticeable impact on critical and important services. Instead, they chose to impact vital services in order to send a message to the public:

      Everybody's idea of important services differ, that's the whole problem.
      And besides, I thought the government was a giant waste that impeded the awesomeness of the free market? Well here's a time for businesses to step the fuck up and show us how totally great things would be if they'd weren't so restrained.

    53. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by thoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have got to be kidding, or have your head all the way up your ass. The GOP is the party that refuses to compromise in this round of budget cuts.
      I don't understand how republitards are complaining about government cutbacks. Numerous GOP politicians, all retards but still, have claimed the government doesn't create jobs anyway. They're the ones constantly complaining about bloat. Well dumbfucks, this is what things would look like in the world you want to have.

    54. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by thoth · · Score: 1

      there is no excuse that for example kerry is giving 250 MILLION to eqypt, while we have issues at home.

      And I'd say there's no excuse subsidizing corporate American at 10's of billions when we have issues at home.
      250 million? That's roundoff in what multinationals avoid paying in taxes.

    55. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by thoth · · Score: 1

      Once upon a time there was no TSA, until 9/11. Airlines COULD HAVE demanded they take over funding for security, but did you see that happen?

    56. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wish I could make my budget go down by lowering the spending increase projected like the Democratic administration has displayed.

    57. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by thoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's one philosophy, but on the other hand I don't see how the needs of a modern 21st century superpower can be handled by a confederacy. Hell, a confederacy didn't work the other 2 times it was tried so I think it belongs in the shitpile of history.

    58. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you laugh out of ignorance. A "State" is an always changing experiment with the concept that the the best ideas will rise to the surface only to be emulated later by the remaining 49. The United States of America is and will always be known as an imperfect union. It's this level of humility that we strive for perfection even though it will ultimately never be attainable, but close enough. With the federal government as powerful as it is, you don't have that concept anymore due to supersedence.

    59. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by sycodon · · Score: 0

      They got their increases...where are the cuts?

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    60. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Nimey · · Score: 1

      It's pretty easy when you're willing to ignore reality so you can be lazy & pull out a false equivalence, yes.

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    61. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by thoth · · Score: 2

      Just imagine the trillions we would have if the previous dumbass administration didn't commit fraud and take us into Iraq in the first place.

    62. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NO, spending went up. Just not by as much as the wanted.

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    63. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Nimey · · Score: 1

      That's another glittering generality you've tossed out. It must be so /easy/ to be a libertarian; your religion's got answers for just about everything!

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    64. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, when the satellites start falling out of the sky and you lose the Internet to external attacks, I'm sure Barney Fife will get right on that issue for you.

    65. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Hello! The Boston Bomber is being charged in Federal Court, not in GitMo.

      Pay attention much?

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    66. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Dismantle the TSA?!? But then the terrorists will win!

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    67. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I guess missed that whole tax increase thing back several months ago.

      Dems say "Raise taxes and we will cut spending and all will be good." then, Like dumb asses, Republicans agree and the Dems go ahead and increase spending.

      Time and time again.

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    68. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      the issue is taxes dont need to go up,

      Like I said, there was no willingness to compromise. Just because you agree with the no-compromise position doesn't make it any less of a no-compromise position.

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    69. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Stiletto · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt you pay 60% of your income on taxes. Please post how you came to that figure, then we'll all school you on the meanings of marginal tax rate and effective tax rate.

    70. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kelarius · · Score: 1

      the issue is taxes dont need to go up, as a new yorker, i already spend over 60% of my income on taxes.

      Then go yell at your local government(s), you're paying the exact same taxes that I am in the midwest to the federal government (being a national institution and all). Seeing as it is that your income tax is no more than 35% (and if it is I have no sympathy for your 400k+ per year ass). Assuming youre getting taxed at around 15-25% that would mean that the local and state governments are getting you for far more, and the new taxes woudlnt have applied to you anyways, so your statement is ignorant at best, disingenuous at worst, and either way youre a fucking idiot.

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    71. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      both parties are at fault. It takes the entirety of congress to agree to fuck over the public, not just a single party.

      Even so, the negotiation between D and R was rather one-sided. Democrats kept proposing spending cut/raising taxes compromises and Republicans laughed at them because "tax increase > 0". You cannot negotiate with someone who won't actually budge from their position for any reason.

      I am not exactly a fan of Democrats, but the sequestration blame goes mostly to Republicans.

    72. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by atriusofbricia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing is the Dems wanted to increase spending and raise taxes on "the rich" with no real cuts and no real decrease in spending. The point above is still valid. With government sucking up more and more money all the time there is absolutely no reason or way to justify giving them even more to piss away.

      Cut spending. Real honest cuts. Only after cuts are passed and in effect should any increases in revenue be discussed.

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    73. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I highly doubt you pay 60% of your income on taxes. Please post how you came to that figure, then we'll all school you on the meanings of marginal tax rate and effective tax rate.

      You seriously lack imagination. Make $250,000 grand and pay about 40% in direct Federal/State taxes. $150,000 is left (60%). Now, pay a shitload of real estate taxes for the property you rent, not actually own - $40,000 with $110,000 left. Buy lots of shit/$100k paying 10% sales tax (like crook county, illinois). $10,000 more in taxes.

      100 + 40 + 10 = 150
      150 / 250 = 60%

      You might say, "own less real estate" but maybe that's how he made lots of money? Or he just likes "elbow room". Maybe he likes buying too much stuff, but isn't that his right?

      Paying 60% is trivially easy and if you knew dick about our government spending - about half of GDP, then you would have little doubt that there are people paying far more.

    74. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes sense, since athletic programs don't matter and bus service benefits only the few.

    75. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by hedwards · · Score: 1, Informative

      The issue is that they can't agree on what to cut. The GOP refuses to cut things that support the military industrial complex and generally things that subsidize the rich. The Democrats are slightly less dedicated to social programs that actually help people. Then there's the various facilities and industries that are located in one or another state.

      Between all of that, it's unlikely that you'll get much in the way of cuts.

      Not that it really matters because the RWNJs will complain about the crushing levels of taxation no matter what it actually is.

    76. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When's the last time the GOP cut spending? I'm guessing that would probably be during Ford's administration or earlier as I can't recall them ever doing so during my lifetime. And during every single time they've been in control spending has gone through the roof.

      But, what's worse is that the spending hasn't been on anything which benefited the average citizen, it's mostly on things that benefit the rich. The actual working class makes less now than they did 30 years ago, even as the rich have gained even more.

    77. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Repbulicans will only talk spending cuts after tax cuts, so they aren't sitting down at the table anyway. The times the Democrats caved, the taxes went down and the spending went up when the Republicans did the opposite of their promise.

    78. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by cduffy · · Score: 1

      You seriously lack imagination. Make $250,000 grand and pay about 40% in direct Federal/State taxes. $150,000 is left (60%). Now, pay a shitload of real estate taxes for the property you rent, not actually own - $40,000 with $110,000 left. Buy lots of shit/$100k paying 10% sales tax (like crook county, illinois). $10,000 more in taxes.

      If you're "buying lots of shit" on that scale, you're outside of the category of people who get to bitch about being able to pay for food.

    79. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by mc6809e · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The dems only wanted to raise taxes on the rich,

      No they did not. They wanted tax increases on income.

      That's an important difference because it protects the wealth of rich New England Democrats.

    80. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point is that if you don't show to the tax payers what they're losing they might not object. The bottom line is that it's hard to really appreciate what years of underfunded infrastructure is until a bridge falls down. But, if people have to wait an additional 20 minutes for their plane to depart they'll notice that.

      Taxes are not evil, what's evil is using tax breaks to break the American worker.

    81. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I have not heard one single news outlet (other than the biased political nutjob blogs, of course) point out that there are no cuts; that the cuts are only in projected budget increase, that they're happening over a period of two years, and that they're only a measely total of $84b.

      Instead, the coverage makes it sounds like we're chopping the budget funding by 50% overnight, that it applies to the amount needed now and not against an *increase*, and that the sky is fucking falling.

      But hey, if people are stupid enough to be so easily mislead and cheated, then fuck 'em. I only wish more of them had to foot the financial penalty for their lack of concern.

    82. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      No, each state will spend what it deems necessary to cover the services it wants to provide, rather than subsidize those states that want more.

      Of course, the problem is at all levels, so if you actually wanted to fix something you would need to figure out which side is easier to start from...

    83. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except what's actually happening here is that I need a baked potato and a side of beans to survive, I'm *planning* on eating five double cheeseburgers, instead . . . and I only *get* two double cheeseburgers. That doesn't mean I cut my calorie consumption by 60%.

    84. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The deficit cost of having Obama president is $1.5 Trillion dollars A YEAR. Yes, with a T, and yes thats per year.

    85. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should he spend less? How about YOU (in the form of government) spend less and stop treating him and other people like a fucking open-wallet, you fucking self-absorbed piece of shit?

      People don't have a problem with contributing to society for the greater good. It's when they are being constantly and increasingly milked and seeing what's taken from them treated trivially and with absolutely no sense of responsibility. The government is like a grown child that should have moved out of the house, but is instead still mooching off mom and dad or other family members, and is totally irresponsible and ungrateful for the shit they're getting from the people they're mooching off of.

    86. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Seumas · · Score: 0

      Today, I learned that $200,000 per family is "rich".

      That's depressing.

    87. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I make $100,000 and pay less than 10% in federal income tax, and less than 20% in total tax (all local state and national taxes combined). Your example may be technically correct, but someone paying $40,000 in real estate taxes and doesn't deduct those from his federal tax is a complete idiot. In reality, he'd set up a property management LLC, make $250k gross, $50-100k expenses, and pay himself $150-$200k in dividends (not salary, different tax rates and no medicare/SS), while renting his house from himself and driving the company car for personal business. Someone owning millions in real estate and pulling in $250k a year on rental income on it would likely be able to swing a 5% federal income tax on his revenue, and keep total tax burden under 10%.

      The problem is the poor people incorrectly extrapolating don't understand how it actually works. Go become a millionaire with $250,000 a year income and pay $50,000 to a tax accountant and see what he can come up with.

      Misapplying a tax code extrapolation is silly. And just goes to show you must be wrong because you don't know what you are talking about.

    88. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's amazing how ignorant people are of how much they actually pay in taxes.

      State income tax. Federal income tax. Sales tax. Property tax (including automobiles, etc). Don't forget all the other assorted fees that you pay, not realizing "fee" is just a nice word for "tax".

      Oh, and you might as well consider things like Social Security as a "tax", because it'll either be gone before you can claim it in forty years or if you have a decent career, it won't be afforded to you in forty years, I'm sure.

    89. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I note he hasn't responded to any comments challenging his tax rate. I have a salary about $100k. That puts me in the top 10% of wage earners (just barely). As a top 10%, I pay less than 10% of my income on federal income tax. I spend less than 20% of my income on all combined taxes (local, state, and federal, including medicare and SS). The only people paying 50% or higher are making up numbers.

    90. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by SpeZek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In America? No, they cut band and art before they cut athletics.

    91. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The Republicans control the House, where all spending bills originate. If spending increases, it's because the Republicans voted for it. Period.

    92. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pentagon in particularly played this way. Instead of slicing off weapons programs, or cutting away civilian contractors payed for frivolous jobs, they decided to cut the tuition assistance program for military personnel. There was a big hoopla and then Congress refunded the program.

    93. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      Yup. There's even a name for this: It's called the Washington Monument Syndrome.

      Your government at work.

    94. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by sixoh1 · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but that little ditty from School House Rock has been inoperative since you were in diapers. The House and Senate each pass their own bills these days and then a committee from each side "reconciles" them to make them look like approximately the same bill, and then each chamber again votes on the reconciled bill (an up/down only, no more amendments) - and the reconciliation process is where the real sausage is made these days.

      To understand this nasty piece of work that the leadership of both parties and both houses have foisted on us, see how the PPACA ("Obamacare") was passed.

      Your country is not the idyllic constitutional republic anymore, and changing control over the House or the Senate (depending on which party you think will save you) wont make much difference. We've passed the event horizon of DOOM...

    95. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Then there's the various facilities and industries that are located in one or another state.

      I have a solution-- build facilities and industries in the district of columbia, not in the states. Since DC has no vote, they won't be able to complain when government sizes up or down with the times. The representatives of the states and districts can then judge a program on its merits, not on local concerns such as "jobs."

    96. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      the issue is taxes dont need to go up.

      Yes, they do. Compared to other industrialized nations and to our own history, our overall tax burden is low (though it varies from state to state). When you consider that we've rung up two wars on the national credit card, taxes have to go up. The only question is on whom.

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    97. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The EU is a confederacy. It's working ok so far, though I'm sure someone will say "greece" or something like that.

    98. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dismantle the TSA.

      I think you misspelled "DHS".

    99. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some will (example: Texas) some won't (example: California, Illinois). The beauty of a truly Federal system is there would be 50 different ways to do things and the ones that work will thrive while the ones that don't can look to the ones that work. What worries me is all the "blue" state idiots who screwed their states up (see California & Illinois) moving away likes rats off a sinking ship and not figuring out that it was their politics that cause the problems they left behind and just bringing their stupid ideas to the "red" states. Meanwhile, they aren't smart enough to see what a mess they've made in the "blue" states and so they are screwing the whole country over by taking their ideas to the Federal level...

    100. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Legislative cliff? Budget death panels?

    101. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ftobin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it only takes one party in control of 41% of the Senate to grind government to a halt.

    102. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by rnturn · · Score: 1

      The sequestration cuts were intended to be across-the-board cuts; not targeted as the Republicans are now wanting. The people bitching and complaining about the cuts that the FAA don't seem to want to own up the the fact that they agreed to these across-the-board cuts so they could go back home and crow about how tough they were on reducing the deficit but now want us to forget about all that and place all the blame on the Executive branch for implementing the sequestration as it was intended. Weasels, all of 'em.

      (I'm surprised that the auto-spell checker is not flagging "sequestration" as incorrectly spelled.)

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    103. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, that's pretty fucking rich. A little over 9 times the poverty level, and about 4 times the GDP per capita. It won't get you a mansion on a private island, but you won't be hurting for anything either.

    104. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you understand how LLC taxes work? The members (aka owner) pays all the LLC's taxes on their personal taxes (including self employment taxes). That is the entire reason why Republicans keep saying that raising taxes on the rich actually means raising taxes on small businesses. In the case of you "dividends", dividends are distributions of cash from a corporation which have already been taxed. That is why the person who is paid the dividends pays a lower tax rate than if they were income.

    105. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 1

      i for one cannot take the idea that americans have enough money to give to other countries

      Pffft, America borrowed the money from other countries .. why shouldn't it pay it forward?

    106. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The arguement is that it's easier to understand regional issues if you actually live there than hundreds of miles away. In theory at least, the state governments are more accessible to their consituents than a federal executive agency.

      Certainly this isn't a solution for every problem. Certain agencies need the ability to reach across state-lines (the FDA and FBI come to mind immediately), but for other avenues to such as health-care, education, or "vice" laws, such matters are best left up to the state governments rather than trying to accomplish blanket solutions across such an immense land mass such as the US. To echo the GP, most federal agencies could either be dismantled or reduced to some sort of small comission.

    107. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering SS tax is 6.2% and Medicare is 1.45%, I call bs on you unless most of your income is coming from someplace other than wages.

    108. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't give me any crap about how the republicans subsidize the rich and the democrats don't. If anything, I'd go so far as to say the democrats are the worst offenders of that as they enact corporate welfare more than anybody. They are the ones who believe that some corporations are too big to fail, that we need corn subsidies, that the steel industry needs protection from competition (tariffs), that green energy manufacturers need loan guarantees even if they have no indication of a sustainable business model (fisker, solyndra, many others.) They believe that government destroying used cars and then handing money to dealerships for new ones is a good idea. They also (most of them, including Obama) subscribe to the Keynesian model which posits that government spending on private sector works spurs economic growth.

      Also, social programs don't do anybody any long term favors. The give a man a fish and teach him to fish analogy comes to mind.

      I don't care whether you're a democrat or not, but to paint that party as innocent as you just did is just plain foolish.

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    109. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything in what you say that means "what it deems necessary" would be "less" overall.

      Besides, it would make some sense if your population was half as mobile or able to select where they live as you make out when you carp on about states rights, but realistically most live and die within 50 miles of where they're born, and I don't know anyone that chose where they lived based on legislative shopping.

      So, when you have California spending near 54% of their budget on education, and Alabama spending 33% (to pick the first 2 I thought of), is that actually equitable, or are those hicks being screwed over? Per capita spending is probably along the same lines, but would admittedly be a better number. Still seems to me like it shouldn't be up to "lobbying" as to how much education your kids get.

    110. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      Dismantle the TSA?!? But then the terrorists will win!

      No, then the citizens of the USA win. As long as the TSA is in business, the terrorists have won.

    111. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they cut athletics because it gets attention. BTW, what are band and art?

    112. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      I don't think that would be a wise tactical decision. Not saying that we'll be attacked any time soon, or that a natural disaster is imminent, but keeping any industry concentrated in a very small area such as DC probably isn't a good idea.

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    113. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should have higher taxes because other countries do? That is really your argument? We also have a larger population than many of those countries. Tax collection should not be linear with population. At some point, government should have efficiencies of scale and require less per person to provide the necessary services for the whole populous. We also have higher average wages than many of those countries. That should also mean that a lower percentage should be required to achieve the same.

    114. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by guises · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a bunch of hooey. Income is taxed instead of wealth because income is easy to measure and (more) difficult to hide. And it isn't New England Democrats who would avoid this, it's people who make the bulk of their money through capital gains rather than income - a tax the Republicans have cut again and again and done everything that they can to keep low. And further, it's Republicans, not "New England Democrats," who have opposed other taxes on the established rich (e.g.: the estate tax).

    115. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right... that's how we ended up with PPACA...

    116. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Raenex · · Score: 4, Informative

      But, what's worse is that the spending hasn't been on anything which benefited the average citizen, it's mostly on things that benefit the rich.

      Bush did pass the drug benefit bill when he was running for re-election, which of course was also a big payout for the drug companies. While I was looking that up, I checked to see who sponsored the bill, and it was the Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who was implicated in a Turkish bribe by an FBI whistleblower who was subsequently fired. Hastert later retired and went on to earn $35k per month as a lobbyist for Turkey.

      Words fail me.

    117. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, instead of figuring out how to do more with less (you know that thing that the average tax payer has to do with their personal finances), make everyone miserable to extort more money?

    118. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bush did pass the drug benefit bill when he was running for re-election, which of course was also a big payout for the drug companies.

      Not merely a payout, it was a fucking money avalanche because it forbade the government from using it's purchasing power to negotiate prices downward. So not only are more drugs being sold (because previously some people couldn't afford them had to go without) but the prices have every reason to go up.

      Its like the one factor that could have resulted in cost-savings was explicitly blocked by the bill. When something like that happens it confirms all the worst stereotypes about the republican party. It would be kinda like finding out Obama really was born in Kenya.

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    119. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, it's more like 50 some states will spend less money more efficiently than 50 states plus 1 fed.

      Except, I don't know why your scenario would make you laugh because it's also true. It's easier for corruption to roost where there is more power far away from the base of that power. 50 states closer to the people will have less corruption than 1 state further removed.

    120. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      Lets see. TARP was signed into law by Bush and had a lot of Republican votes behind it. So they both think companies are too big to fail. Republicans all vote for corn subsidies, because a lot of their votes come from rural areas run by farmers. And the Republicans enact a hell of a lot of corporate welfare- they just mainly do it in the form of tax cuts, loopholes, shelters, and the military industrial complex.

      As for social programs not doing anyone any favors- wow you are fucking brainwashed.

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    121. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by poached · · Score: 1

      A thousand times yes. Finally some truth.

    122. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Try again. The max tax rate in new york is 8.97% on people making more than 500K. Source: http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/New-York-income-taxes.htm

      The top rate for federal income tax is 35% for 2012. Source: http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-Income-Taxes/qt/Tax-Rates-For-The-2012-Tax-Year.htm

      So if you made more than 500K, you may have paid a 44% marginal rate. Of course, that doesn't mean a 44% total rate- the top rate is only for money over a certain amount. If the tax rate goes from 30% to 35% at 100K (numbers made up) and you made 150K, you'd pay 30% of the first 100 and 35% of the last 50, for a total of 47.5K, or 31.67% overall rate. This is assuming you have absolutely no deductions, including the personal deduction. Realistically if you have that much money, you're sheltering at least 20-30% of it in real estate or other deductions, so you're unlikely to pay more than 20%. The last year I made 150 I ended up paying about 20% federal taxes.

      TL;DR- OP is a liar who completely made up his numbers.

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    123. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      It puts you in the top 3% of the country. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluence_in_the_United_States.

      I'd call that rich.

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    124. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      First, thats not 60% in income taxes, so you're already lieing.

      Secondly, the max federal rate is 35%. That's not counting deductions, which anyone with that level of income has.

      Real estate taxes- you don't pay real estate taxes to rent. You pay them on property you own. If you're talking about still owning a mortgage, that's your fault for taking one. Also, your real estate taxes are unreasonable. My mother owns a 300K house in the IL suburbs. Taxes on it are 3K/yr. Even if you own a million dollar home in a higher tax rate, you aren't going to surpass 12K. 40K is just flat lying.

      So, any arguments with even a remote basis in reality?

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    125. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by schnell · · Score: 1

      pretty much, we need to dismantle some95% of all federal agencies. All they do is cover what state agnencies do.

      Will 50 state NASAs be building 50 individual Mars rovers? Perhaps 50 NIHs and CDCs will cure diseases faster. I can't wait for the West Virginia Department of Energy to declare "let's build coal-burning cars!" while the California DoE outlaws coal alltogether. Wait until the Texas NSA and South Carolina CIA decide that spying on all those liberals in New York is the real mission, and the New Hampshire FCC decides that all cellphones should be made out of maple syrup-based transistors.

      On second thought, maybe it isn't so bad. The Alabama Army, the Oklahoma Navy and the Kentucky Marines can go fight our next war and show that all those Federal subsidies of years past were worth it.

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    126. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, yet another idiot who believes in false equivalence. While neither party is perfect, you have one party that refuses compromise, wants to legislate what I do in my bedroom, wants to enforce Christian beliefs, and wants to take away protections we've fought for over the last century while enacting monetary policy that will make the rich richer and shrink the middle class.

      The other party has a few boneheaded ideas and a tendency to put money into good ideas without adequate execution, I'll admit. But they don't want to regulate my private life, they honestly want to help people, they're willing to discuss their differences rather than stick to them like religious tenets, and they actually understand science and economics.

      Yup, pretty easy choice there. Until something better comes along, I'll go with them.

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    127. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no art or band program to begin with...

    128. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Buzer · · Score: 1

      EU has been doing kinda ok, but shared currency in confederacy was a bad idea. If you want shared currency, then you need to give up your rights to decide most of your budget.

    129. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by porges · · Score: 2

      Obsolete talking point:

      http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/295477-reid-to-seek-consent-to-convene-budget-conference-

      Senate Republicans on Tuesday prevented Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) from setting up a budget conference.

      Reid sought the Senate's unanimous consent to form a budget conference committee aimed at reconciling the wildly different House and Senate budget resolutions, but Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) objected.

      Toomey said he was objecting on behalf of Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee who had a conflict and could not be present.

      “It seems House Republicans don’t want to be seen even discussing the possibility of compromise with the Democrats for fear of a Tea Party revolt,” Reid said.

      He noted that Republicans have called for “regular order” for years.

      "A strange thing happened: House Republicans did a complete 180 — they flipped. They're no longer interested in regular order even though they preached that for years," Reid said.

      [snip]

      The Senate passed its first budget resolution in four years last month. Republicans had criticized Reid and Senate Democrats for their inaction on budgets, calling it irresponsible.

    130. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I have no issue spending a good portion of my income to provide for utilities, public works and other things, I dont like paying for other things that im being forced to pay for more and more every year however.

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    131. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is no excuse that for example kerry is giving 250 MILLION to eqypt

      Odd how you fixed on that instead of the $3 billion of military aid granted to Israel every year.

    132. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by triclipse · · Score: 1

      When the Federal Reserve can create purchasing power out of nothing to soak up all the bad debt (especially US government debt) then there is all the "money" in the world to give to other countries.

      As the saying goes, foreign aid is taking the money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to the rich people in poor countries.

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    133. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by les_91406 · · Score: 1

      Re: Real estate taxes... Renters DO pay real estate taxes. Usually indirectly; the taxes are just a component of the property operating expenses that are figured in when determining what the minimum possible rent is for a "Gross" lease. In a "Net" lease, the taxes are identified explicitly and paid IN ADDITION to the basic rent. In both cases, the property owner gets the tax deduction against rental income. In the case of a business rental (rather than a residential rental), the business owner deducts the entire rent from their gross income as a business expense. Les

    134. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shocker! When a school district doesn't have enough money to fund education + non-education programs, the non-education programs are cut first! The horror!

    135. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll be. I missed that one. Although I did stipulate the budget be "a sensible one", which that one isn't.

      But let me add a point your snippet didn't cover, as to why the Republicans are not in favor of a conference committee at this time.

      Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) said there should at least be an agreement between Ryan and Murray before a conference is launched.

      “To go to conference before you have any sense of whether there is any chance of getting an outcome strikes us as not making much sense,” he said.

      Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said that it is customary to make such arrangements before staring a conference and pointed out that under House rules, if the committee were to fail to resolve differences after 20 days, any member could gum up the House floor with motions to instruct conferees.

      "It is ‘regular order’ for the budget chairs to agree to a framework before conferees are named, and Chairman Ryan and Sen. Murray are having those conversations. It is difficult to see what Sen. Reid’s stunt today will do to help if Senate Democrats don’t even agree we need to balance the budget in the first place," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said Tuesday.

      So, basically, it's politics as usual from the leadership of both parties, while the country goes to hell.

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    136. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The quixotic quest for a grand bargain is the problem. There is no reason that congress can't enact whatever budget cuts both sides can agree on and whatever tax simplification they can both agree on. Take the spending saying in reverse - save a (m/b)illion here, save a (m/b)illion there, and pretty soon you are talking real money. Also, why has no one offered a target for what seems like a reasonable amount of total deductions and allow each party/congress critter to preserve a fraction of that (with possibly a fraction for bipartisan backed deductions)? Set it up to be revenue neutral to appease Grover Norquist and simply removing perverse incentives should help increase economic growth and tax revenues (at least marginally). After you've made some progress there, start a similar trade-off game to reallocate the sequester or deeper cuts. Maybe we can't solve the budget problem, but we can at least simplify/reduce the problem.

    137. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand me. I am NOT sticking up for republicans, nor am I being apologetic.

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    138. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there waste in government? The general consensus would seem to be yes. Are aircraft controllers one of those waste areas? Certainly not one of the big offenders. The idea behind the sequester was that our representatives were supposed to come up with an alternative cut to make instead and preserve things like this. Sadly, neither seems to have pushed a bill that had a realistic chance of preserving funds for bipartisan supported areas at the expense of lower priorities.

    139. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Patch86 · · Score: 2

      It's more depressing that you would think it isn't. The fact that someone can be in the top 3% of the country in terms of income and still kid themselves into thinking that they're "average, middle class Joes" is enough to make you want to join the Communist Party...

    140. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I think what's really important here is... when did everyone agree to start calling them "pubs" and "dems"?

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    141. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      The fact that you throw out insults, rather than facts, and get modded insightful tells me the diggers have moved back to slashdot...shame too, if you disagree, thats one thing , say so and explain yourself. the namecalling just makes you look like a bandwaggon riding mother fucker

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    142. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      unless the senate pushing it forward regardless

      dont ignore the fact that the senate did not pass a budget for 4+ years, yet the president and senate have gotten 99% of what they have wanted for 5 years now

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    143. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The term sequestration has certainly become a four-letter word for many across the country

      Besides, it has thirteen letters, not four.

    144. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no question that a bureaucracy will make budget cuts as painful as possible. There is also no question that budget cuts affect operations. Typically private businesses will cut employees when faced with declining sales. This strategy usually fails since it just encourages more customers as well as critical employees to depart.The idea that others are making too much money ore not working hard enough is common belief. We have met the enemy and he is us.

    145. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I never said that the states do everything, the constitution gives SOME leway, i think we can all agree we dont need 50 varients of NASA. on the other hand, whar CALI wants in their state may not be what NY or MASS or FLA wants in theirs, and they should not have to, as per the way the country was founded

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    146. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the thing is you will say when is the last time X cut spending 45% will say well YY didnt cut spending either!!! and nothing will change

      there are a few senators and congresssmen who will actually vote based on "what is right" , they can be counted on one hand sadly.

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    147. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      it's people who make the bulk of their money through capital gains rather than income

      as he said.....new england democrats.....

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    148. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      no the issue is the fed spends money on the same thing as the 50 states, its redundant, there is no need for the fed to be involved (and no constitutional right)

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    149. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      americans were higher on the global scale before the federal government took over education anyway....

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    150. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gutnor · · Score: 1

      An single individual making 4 times the average family income is not rich in the US ? TIL indeed, to put that in perspective, that would be a family where a single member take a summer job (3 months) and makes more than the majority of the families in the country make in a year.

    151. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is flat out wrong. The FAA isn't giving the finger to the public, the FAA was specifically required to shave a flat percentage off of every account they control. Zero discretion. Friends of mine in the government are facing furloughs that amount to a 20% monthly paycut (10% over the fiscal year, compressed into six months... have fun making rent in DC, chump!), while programs to upgrade desktop computers are going essentially full steam ahead.

      Congress could give discretionary authority to all cabinet secretaries (like they've done to some degree for Defense), and then smart decisions could be made. The actual size of the budget cut isn't all that large. Most programs could tighten their belts and carry on with minimal short-term effects. Maintenance and capital improvements would get kicked down the road, etc. But the sheer, monumental stupidity of sequestration was designed to make it so unpalatable that Congress would have to bridge their differences and govern. Which, y'know, is really working out great...

    152. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody got an "increase." Some people's temporary cuts expired. Some people's temporary cuts were extended to permanent cuts.

    153. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but I must've been imagining when the Republicans agreed to all the tax hikes the Democrats wanted to start the new year off, as part of the debt limit extension deal, in exchange for spending cuts.

      Everyone's payroll taxes went up. When the Democrats keep bleating tha all they want were tax hikes on the eeevil rich, they were lying. Everyone's taxes went up. Everyone's dividend taxes went up. But when it came for the Democrats to give their end of the bargain, the spending cuts in exchange for the sequester, they just wanted more tax hikes instead.

      You should really get more practice mindlessly parroting back Democrat talking points. You're not doing it very well.

    154. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even so, the negotiation between R and D was rather one-sided. Republicans kept proposing spending cut compromises and Democrats laughed at them because "tax increase = 0". You cannot negotiate with someone who won't actually budge from their position for any reason.

      I am not exactly a fan of Republicans, but the sequestration blame goes mostly to Democrats.

      See how this works? Your position doesn't hold water.

    155. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by tubs · · Score: 1

      Yes, when most of the rest of the world (Asia, Africa, South America) were not educating anyone. So you could argue, without federal intervention, you'd be likely even worse off.

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    156. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Problem is: They are not increasingly being milked. At least not on the federal level.

      http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

    157. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      One of the odd parts about wealth is that because the top 0.001% are fabulously wealthy compared to the top 0.1%, and the top 0.1% are fabulously wealthy compared to the top 1%, and the top 1% are fabulously wealthy compared to the the top 5%, people who are actually very rich perceive themselves as average. As sibling posters pointed out, you're in the richest 3% of America, and making 4 times what the average family makes. You probably worked hard to get there, and did a bunch of smart things like did well in school, got a good job, married wisely (or not at all) - congratulations and well done.

      My basic standard is that you're rich if any of these are true:
      1. You could retire on what you have now and have more than $50K annually to spend (which means at least $500K in assets, probably much more).
      2. You have at least one full-time servant (that means you have an extra $25K or so annually to spend on making someone else do what normal people do themselves, like cleaning or watching the kids).
      3. You have more than two homes that you fully own (again, that indicates a bunch of assets, and usually some leisure time that most people don't have).
      4. You can buy a car without thinking hard about the price.

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    158. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      One of the parties stated flat-out that they would refuse to support any budget compromise offered by anyone else (including the independents, not just the other party), and proposed no compromises of their own. I think it's safe to say that this party is to blame.

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    159. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      The difference is that the Republicans know that income taxes, in any amount, are absolutely toxic to business, and that raising them will harm the economy. The Dems know it too, but don't mind sticking it to the rich, nor creating more welfare dependents because they believe that those people will be grateful for the gov't assistance in the form of unemployment and welfare so that they will vote democratic. What we need is prosperity, but the Dems are against that too, because it screws up their modus operendi of impoverishing people, and then "helping" them.

    160. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      The number itself is probably pulled out of thin air, and probably has no bearing on reality. But people do usually pay higher taxes than they realize they're paying in some ways. Lower in others.

      For example, income tax is bracketed in most of the world. That is to say that the first X dollars isn't taxed, the next Y dollars are taxed at A%, the next Z dollars are taxed at B%, and so forth. People think that if they make $80,000/year they're going to be taxed at 35%, where it actually works out to about 20% net taxes. That's where they're taxed lower than they think they should be. (and it's true... for my taxes this year, my napkin calculation said I'd be owing a small amount, but when I actually did my taxes, I was owed a refund before I'd even bothered with deductions). Then you have things like property taxes, which most people don't take into account when they figure their tax rate. If you own a property that's well beyond the value you should be owning for your pay rate, it can take a disproportionate chunk from your pay.

      Where people are taxed more than they realize are things like sales taxes and duties on products like gas or alcohol. In this part of the world, for example, about 60% of the price of gas is tax. In Europe, it's closer to 80%. Alcohol, about 50% of the price is tax here. If you do a lot of driving, you will be paying a disproportionately higher tax rate than the simple income tax calculation. Similarly, sales taxes increase the tax rate on people who spend money... though around here unprepared food doesn't have sales tax on it. Then there's import duties on products from countries without free trade agreements, services taxes on certain kinds of service industries, etc....

      So it is possible that, on an income of $250,000/year, you could be paying 60% of it in taxes, but you would have to be spending a *lot* of money unwisely. It would take a lot of effort to reach that kind of tax rate, but I can see how it's doable.

    161. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      The same number of dollars could have been cut from specific programs in a way that would have had no noticeable impact on critical and important services

      Translation: Why are they cutting things that impact me instead of other people?

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    162. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny-I don't make that much and my taxes went up too...

    163. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about freezing political donations as well as cutting salaries to minimum wage for all members of Congress until the budget is balanced?

    164. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by usuallylost · · Score: 1

      This is standard operating procedure for any governmental body. When you must take cuts you put them toward the thing that causes the most pain to the public. The public will then scream and 99 out of 100 times the politicians trying to make cuts will back down.

      As far as whether this party or that party ever intended to cut or to work with the other party I am not sure it really matters. The core problem is that there is no national consensus on what we should be spending our money on, how we should spend it or what we should cut. There isn't even consensus on whether we should cut or whether we should simply monetize the debt by printing money and devaluing the currency. As long as the US is as divided as it is politically I wouldn't expect that to change.

    165. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by MTEK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And when you're in the gov't, you make sure your dept spends every penny it was allocated or watch your budget decrease in subsequent years. If and when your budget is decreased, you make sure it causes all sorts of pain for the higher-ups who made the decision. Bonus points if your dept can inconvenience the general public.

    166. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      No sequestration was the only way to get cuts at all. Anytime you cut a specific program you have a group of people who are suddenly highly motivated to protect their sacred cow. As a politician you risk them pulling their monetary support from you and giving it to your opponents. Worse you might be challenged in a primary.

      If on the other hand you cut EVERYTHING by a small amount you don't leave any specific group feeling its in their direct economic interest to spend a bunch of money lobbying, standing up another candidate, donating to your political enemies across the isle etc. So you can actually get cuts passed.

      The next problem you have is the federal budget is so big an complex trying go through it item by item and make equitable decisions is neigh on impossible, in the first place. No matter how many staffers you toss at the project really giving intelligent consideration to every line item in a document the size of a major metro area phone book is hard. So you end up with people wanted to eliminate programs or even departments whole sale; which I personally feel there are some valid candidates for, but many would disagree. So you get a political fight that ends in some lame compromise resulting in little or no actual changes.

      Sorry but broad cross the board indiscriminate cutting is all we can do at this point. The system is far to broken to accomplish anything else.

      The real blame falls on the executive branch here. The FAA folks KNEW this implementation would cause lots of pain and might get their funding restored. They had to cut X% in controller salaries; what that could have and should have done is eliminated all controllers at a few small airports (effectively shuttering them) but impacting a thousands of people only rather than the entire nation.

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    167. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      Actually, that isn't a bad point at all.

      The problem with it is that the folks who insisted on cutting the taxes that affect "wealth" (the capital gains tax and the inheritance taxes), and have even been trying to elimnate them entirely, are in fact Republicans. The rich coastal folks who benifit from those cuts? They are mostly in fact Republicans (among the few folks in those parts of the country who are Republicans). However, they bankroll the Republican Party in the rest of the country.

      Its good that you've recognized the problem. You even have half the target right. However, those rich folks behind this are Republicans. If you aren't going to try to stop them, you should really quit doing their work for them.

    168. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      No, they don't. They pay rent to the owner. The owner may take them into account when deciding on a price, but that's still not the renter paying taxes.

      If you want to play games like that, then nobody pays taxes. Why? Because I just take taxes into account when making my salary demands and ask for appropriately higher wages. And my employer takes that into account when setting prices on goods/services and raises prices. And buyers take that into account when making their salary demands, etc. You can circle forever.

      Bottom line- the guy who gets the bill from the government pays the taxes. Anything else is sophistry.

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    169. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by raehl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The dems only wanted to raise taxes on the rich

      The problem is raise is the wrong word here. The correct word to use is RESTORE taxes on the rich.

      I'm a small business owner. By the time I pay my federal taxes (income and payroll, which is really all income) I'm paying 43.6% of every additional dollar I own to the federal government.

      How can I lower my tax burden?

      Well, I just need to become FILTHY rich. The problem is that I actually work for my income. If I already had enough money that I just needed to "invest" for my income, I could knock my federal tax rate down to 15%. Even less with some nice accounting tricks.

      I think it is perfectly fair that people who "invest" to get their income pay the same tax rate as those of us who actually WORK for our income.

      Republicans, however, are not interested in this concept. They are a party whose #1 priority is helping the rich get richer. The Republican position isn't "low taxes", the Republican position is "High taxes for the middle class, low taxes for the rich." And they have been successful at advancing that position - the Bush tax cuts heavily favored the wealthy. Now that the Republicans already managed to get the rich to pay lower taxes than the rest of us, they are working very hard to make sure the rich keep that advantage, at the expense of everything else.

      That's not to say Democrats don't have their own problems, but until Republicans agree that the rich should pay the same taxes as people who work, it is silly for me to support Republicans.

      And if a bunch of generally wealthy people have to spend a lot more time sitting around airports to get rich people to pay their fair share, I'm good with that.

    170. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can throw around blame however you like, there is plenty to go around. Unfortunately, BOTH Dems and Republicans are making political decisions to make them look good and the opposing party look bad. It's all about winning, not about making good decisions for our country.

    171. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      ...

      Its good that you've recognized the problem. You even have half the target right. However, those rich folks behind this are Republicans. If you aren't going to try to stop them, you should find a nice sharp guillotine.

      I think that's a more accurate description of what would begin to address the metastasizing (it was emerging in the 80s and 90s) United States oligarchy.

    172. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Also, social programs don't do anybody any long term favors. The give a man a fish and teach him to fish analogy comes to mind.

      So you're saying that the money should be spent on making higher education free instead? How's that not a social program?

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    173. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the tax increase YOU JUST GOT? NO? Come on; it wasn't even six months ago. This is why the Repubs don't want to deal with the Democrats on taxes.

      Go look at some history: Democrats ALWAYS say they'll raise taxes and cut spending (look how reasonable we are!) but what we actually get is more taxes right now and some committment to cut some nebulous spending at some later date sometime in the future; no seriously this time we really will.

      Obamacare: remember how all that awesomeness was going to be paid for with increased taxes and reimbursement cuts to doctors? Whoops. 1099 taxes got repealed faster than you can blink and the reimbursement cuts never happened (and never will).

      Oh, and don't get me started on these 'cuts'. There aren't any actual cuts, just smaller increases in spending. Cry me a river...

    174. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think 90%/10% is the same as 50%/50%, you're watching Fox News.

      The GOP is the primary problem. They need to spend two decades out of office to re-form as a real party, to keep the Dems honest.

    175. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um...I think the IRS is going to be giving you a call soon. With an AGI of 100K there's no way you're paying an effective 10% federal tax rate.

    176. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by danudwary · · Score: 2

      This is the problematic viewpoint. Air traffic controllers, police, fire fighters, teachers, etc are not double cheeseburgers that would be nice to have but we don't need. There are many government-funded employees who ARE the baked potato and beans that we survive on. Funding for basic research is slashed as well, so that we're not investing for the future either. Defense spending is more than all of that - the cheeseburger we probably don't need now - and that got cut too. Sequestration was supposed to be so painful to both sides that we would avoid it. Didn't work thanks to the Tea Party maniacs who are unwilling/unable to compromise to cut and tax effectively (in other words, lead).

    177. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is one party in the US that hates and despises you more than any other. They'll tell any lie, resort to any tactic, to fuck you and leave you dead in the ditch. They'll hand you a hankie to dry your tears and comfort you about how hard life is all the time while they're plunging the dagger into your back again and again. You aren't a person, just a host to be placated and milked for blood until the next victim comes along.

      At least the republicans don't pretend to like you.

    178. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by strikethree · · Score: 1

      You have got to be kidding, or have your head all the way up your ass. The GOP is the party that refuses to compromise in this round of budget cuts.

      That does not make the Democrats angels. BOTH parties are terrible.

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    179. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I know "bureaucratic management" types that are looking at furlough notices RIGHT NOW.

    180. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget all the taxes hidden in the price of goods and services. Payroll and corporate taxes are costs of doing business that ultimately get passed onto the consumer.

    181. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Good policy never comes from bad policy. The basic concept of the sequester is flawed.

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    182. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I dont think they are the only problem....I think they are the greater of the evils in the government.

    183. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Oh, you mean besides that tax increase that happened Jan 1?

      "Progressives" complain that "Conservatives" don't compromise because they don't agree to every tax increase proposed.
      "Conservatives" complain that "Progressives" don't compromise because they don't agree to every spending cut proposed.

      Nothing actually gets fixed, and we end up in the worst of every proposed solution because of bullshit arbitrary deadlines imposed like the Sequester. Bad policy never begets good policy, so the Sequester was flawed from the beginning.

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    184. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by MindSlap · · Score: 0

      Where DO you get your lies?
      Four years into full operation, President George W. Bushâ(TM)s Medicare prescription drug program is coming in well below its projected cost, giving hope to backers of the new health insurance law that it, too, could beat budget expectations. The numbers are stark and conclusive: In 2009, the government spent $60.8 billion on the drug benefit, or far less than the annual $111.2 billion cost projected just five years ago, after the program was enacted.
      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/16/bush-drug-plan-beats-cost-mark

      For fudge sake regardless of your position..its likely the only g'ment program that has ever come in under budget!!

      Part D was created to cover the drug coverage gap that that once existed in the Medicareâ(TM)s plan for older and disabled Americans. Under Part D, seniors choose from a wide variety of privately run drug plans that negotiate individually with drug makers: seniors pay far less than they used to for coverage. According to a recent survey, the program has a 90 percent approval rating and, unique among major federal programs enacted in recent years, will actually cost lessâ"$334 billion lessâ" than original estimates. Even better, improved access to drugs appears to be saving costs elsewhere: The Congressional Budget Office found every one percent increase in prescriptions filled results in a .20 percent decrease in spending in Medicare.
      Part D works so well because it recognizes both the virtuesâ"and the limitsâ"of free, competitive markets.
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougschoen/2013/02/19/looking-for-a-way-to-reduce-medicare-spending-look-no-further-than-part-d/

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    185. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that's not how the government works. The goverment has a budget for three programmers but hires one programmer, four managers, three sub-managers, one director, one admin assistant, one community outreach supervisor, a diversity officer, and three janitors. When someone asks them to cut spending, they fire the programmer and the rest of the dead weight sit aroudn complaining about how awful all this austerity is.

    186. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Specter · · Score: 1

      You mean the Executive Branch that originated the idea this time around? Or maybe you mean the one that signed it into law? Perhaps you're thinking about the Executive Branch that encouraged its allies in Congress to kill a bill that would have allowed the Executive Branch greater leeway in how the sequester was implemented.

      "Weasels, all of 'em."

      At least we can agree on that.

    187. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by CayceeDee · · Score: 1

      Also, social programs don't do anybody any long term favors. The give a man a fish and teach him to fish analogy comes to mind.

      Except that rich people are hoarding all the fish which leaves very little for non-rich people to catch. Concentration of wealth in the hands of few is equal to over-fishing.

    188. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always have to smile when I see things like this. How did the rich become the rich? They provided goods and services that everyone else needed. They still do. They also pay the lion's share of taxes percentage wise. Now because they are rich they don't feel that percentage the same way that others do. 10% of 1M is 100,000. Yes it's a lot of money, but you still have 900k left. For the guy who's only making 10k that 1k hurts a lot more because he doesn't have 900k left over he has 9k and his expenses probably exceed that. But the rich guy says "WTF??? I already paid more than that guy made in an entire year because I worked hard and was successful." So they're not all that keen on paying more taxes, and when you raise taxes on them they typically don't cancel their golf membership, or scale down their swank hotel stays or give up international trips. They raise the prices on goods and services they provide, or they lay people off they would have otherwise employed. So while this may be a selfish stance you can see why they feel that way. Raising taxes on just the rich has a direct impact to people who aren't rich. The answer is not plunder the rich as though they were a bottomless supply of cash. The answer is get the most bang for your current tax dollar and stop wasting money on ineffective programs. Demand performance from these programs. Limit buerocracy, and red tape. Get the money where it needs to go instead of greasing every politician and lawyer's palm along the way. Cut spending and you don't have to raise taxes on anyone, but that would require politicians to be good stewards of our funds. Since they've demonstrated that they're incapable/unwilling to do that I'd like to see them just strip it down to bare bones until we can get some people with integrity in office.

    189. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Efficiency wise, sounds *exactly* like every private-sector company I've ever worked for (and no, they don't go out of business because they are all just about as bad).

    190. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a little more complicated than that. The democrats were the ones who decided they were going to make sequestration as a painful as possible and use that a wedge to force republicans to agree to a tax increase. There is massive waste in the current government programs that are in existence now. Continuing to raise taxes to fund bad government is not a good idea in my mind, so I'm very glad that someone had a spine and said no. We need to cut the crap. Funding programs to figure out why pig crap smells bad is probably not the best use of my tax dollars. TSA is not the best use of my tax dollars. If they wanted to fix the problems with delays why don't they get rid of THAT worthless organization? We had plenty of money to spend on full body scanners. We had plenty of money to spend on rent-a-cops to give the illusion that someone cares about airline security. We've got plenty of money to keep people sitting at home instead of going to work. We've got plenty of money for the Obamas to fly all over the world complete with a security detail and servants. We had plenty of money to fund businesses that never produced anything and went bankrupt. We had plenty of money to pour into unions who drive costs up and productivity / GDP down. Were you interested in paying more taxes to fund any of those things? I'm not.

    191. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      You are correct that one side is worse than the other. The Dems have consistently proclaimed that they want to address budget problems by raising taxes today and cutting spending tomorrow. The thing is, when tomorrow comes, the spending cuts don't happen.
      The other problem is that the tax increases always generate less revenue than anticipated. It is amazing how some people understand that raising taxes reduces the amount of an activity when it comes to cigarettes and smoking, but claim that raising taxes has no impact when it comes to other areas.

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    192. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Dems' were not willing to accept any "compromise" that did not involve tax increases. They already got their tax increases. Props to you though for not using the term revenue.

    193. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The thing is that air traffic controllers are only slightly less than half of the workers in the account that sequestration reductions. Why is the FAA furloughing air traffic controllers rather than other workers?
      Police, firefighters, teachers, etc are not (in the context most people think of them) on the federal payroll, so are irrelevant for the current discussion of sequestration.

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    194. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      So you are admitting that Democrats were not willing to accept any deal that did not contain tax increases? I see how that works.

    195. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      New York has a city tax as well. I don't know the current rate, as I haven't lived there in a while. But the parent likely pays that as well.

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    196. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      We need to stop calling tax increases, revenue. An increase in revenue is not always the result of an increase in tax rates.

    197. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      The dems are far from perfect, but they are currently the lesser of the two big political evils...

    198. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by danudwary · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. Most (all) states fund those jobs at least partially with federal funds that they receive. So, is it really state money? I guess.

    199. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Oh, and you might as well consider things like Social Security as a "tax", because it'll either be gone before you can claim it in forty years or if you have a decent career, it won't be afforded to you in forty years, I'm sure.

      You may be sure, but if that's the case I will be calling bullshit along with the rest of the AARP. I have been paying into SS, and I'd better get the benefit when I'm older. I know there's this meme out there that SS is unfunded and unaffordable, but that too is bullshit. It's a choice. We can easily fund SS indefinitely and pay the promised benefits if we choose to.

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    200. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is more like the following:

      Say you need 2000 calories to survive a day, plus a certain amount of vitamins and minerals. Rather than cutting out prepackaged junk food and replacing them with healthy snacks, your mom (who makes your lunch and packs it for you) decides to show you how it feels to make less cash than you want. She shouldn't be the only one having to cut back, after all, she can't go shop at Victoria's Secret every Friday anymore.

      So she cuts down on food costs. No more fresh fruit, fresh meat, or fresh veggies. Most of the time it ends up being steamed rice in tortilla shells, sometimes with salt and pepper. If you want other condiments you need to get them from the cafeteria. So you're not getting the calories you need to survive. You aren't getting the vitamins and minerals you need to survive. You're barely able to feel satiated. Mom has saved $200 a month by switching to this new 'diet' for the family and still gets to shop at Victoria's Secret every Friday. On the way there she stops and has a big juicy steak and a nice dessert, and a couple of margaritas.

      So while you're slowly starving to death, mom's out having a blast and picking up some new lingerie.

      This is how money always gets cut from systems. The more noticible, the more likely to be cut. I worked at a company where the first thing to go was the fancy coffee maker from the break room. I saw it in the goddamn dumpster. They made a big show of it like they had to cut back and it meant that they could no longer afford the already-paid-for-by-employee-money coffee maker. They made a big show of removing all the vending machines but two (even though they paid for themselves). They made a big show of closing off one set of bathrooms. They made a big show of cutting internal server capacity by 30%. None of those things would have saved them much money. Maybe dollars a month. In the mean time the executives still flew all over the country weekly for god knows what, having expensive fancy dinners, vacations, etc. They probably saved $20 a month doing all that stuff, only to keep doing their $100,000 a month travel thing that was completely 100% optional and didn't help business. So when a company (or government) says we need to tighten our belts, what they really mean is YOU need to tighten YOUR belts. This sequester bullshit is going to turn out to be the exact same thing...we just raised hell about the FAA not being funded well enough and safety being an issue, and we start the sequester by cutting FAA budget and making things even less safe? When we could just as easily cut something like the 'national park decorative gazebo fund' that has $10B in it?

    201. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, so we cut billions of dollars in expenses. Quality of life goes down. Now we've got a surplus...how much do you want to bet it doesn't go back to the things that will raise quality of life significantly back up?

    202. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting argument. The richest country in the world (by many measures) cannot spare a bit of change to make a difference in Egypt.

      You can argue very well against foreign aid, it is misguided at best, and thoroughly colonial at worst, but I think being poor yourself is not a convincing argument.

      The money is not missing in the US, it is just in the wrong hands. Poor people spend money, rich people sit on it. Money that does not go round is useless for the economy...

    203. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Wait - what? I guess the $600 billion tax increase approved by the GOP and Democrats in January doesn't count as a compromise on tax increases? The President and the Democrats got their tax increase in January - now how about matching levels of cuts?

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    204. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      No they don't. Take a quick look at budget deficit history over the last 20 years. The last budget written by Republicans and signed into law, had a deficit of 165 billion dollars, and the trend was rapidly shrinking. You can tell which party is in control just by looking at deficit trends.

    205. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Payroll taxes are a deduction (automatically done on W-2). State taxes are a deduction. Property taxes are a deduction. Actually paying 60% is extremely difficult... in fact I would bet that it's impossible, aside from ridiculous situations like not claiming any deductions/exemptions.

      AGI in your scenario is something like $179k on which you'd pay ~$43,600 in federal income tax (making the total federal tax rate 22.3%). Adding back the payroll tax, state tax, and (absurd) $40k property tax you get ~$115,000 total taxes, or 46% (50% with the absurd $10k in sales tax). That's with no other deductions like mortgage interest, charitable donations, children, etc.

    206. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Since when does "salary" = AGI?

    207. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I think you forget the $600 billion in tax increases passed in January of this year. And those taxes are heavily weighted to the upper end of the income scale. The Democrats got their tax increase, but they wanted even more - and don't want to talk about cuts at all...

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    208. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's pretty fucking rich. A little over 9 times the poverty level, and about 4 times the GDP per capita.

      So a family of 4, earning $200K (as the GP posted), is pretty fucking rich because they earn 4 times the GDP per capita? Hmmm... Four people, four times the GDP per capita, I would figure that is kind of middle class...

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    209. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      That's because the established rich don't pay estate tax. Their money is all in trusts and pay some kind of stipend to the heirs. The people who pay estate taxes are the heirs to farmers and small businessmen. The Rockefellers, Kennedys and Duponts (among may others) do not pay estate tax.

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    210. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Doesn't change GP's point one bit. In order for legislation to pass the House, a minimum of 17 Republicans must vote for it.

    211. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      There is a real simple saying that sums up what I believe about the political parties. "The Democrats love the poor, that is why they work so hard to make more of them. The Republicans love the rich, that's why they try to make it easier to become rich." The Democrats are better at their side of that equation than the Republicans are at their side (that's because all politicians love power).

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    212. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the pubs never intended to compromise or balance the budget. They just want to choke the beast no matter what the people actually want or need.

      Actually, that's only what they want when the Democrats are in the White House. When it's the Republican's turn to drive, they go spend crazy.

      It's a choice between tax-and-spend vs. tax-less-and-spend-more.

      Actually the Republicans don't tax and spend, they're more of a "borrow and spend" party.

    213. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      What tax rate should the rich pay, relative to the middle class? You might find it worthwhile to look at the actual income tax rates paid by various income groups and see that the higher income groups do, in fact, pay more in income taxes.

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    214. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The Democrats kept proposing tax increases now and spending cuts "tomorrow". The sequestration credit goes mostly to the Republicans (even though it was the Democrats' idea).

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    215. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In America? No, they cut band and art before they cut athletics.

      While you are partially correct though in that they will not cut inexpensive sports like football, when times are tough they will cut some athletics such as cross country and track (buying the kids a pair of shorts to run in is expensive!!!).

    216. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The House has passed budgets. The Senate has not voted on them, nor has it passed an alternative budget. How do you negotiate with someone who won't put a list of "demands" on the table?

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    217. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      Clinton administration. Republican congress reigned him in and helped allow the surplus that is sometimes touted.
      It's much more complex than that I'm sure, but I'm just trying to bring some balance here.

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    218. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt you pay 60% of your income on taxes, even adding all those things together. In fact, unless you earned a major windfall that happened to be taxed extra highly due to your piss poor planning (e.g. paid short term capital gains plus CA taxes under the alternate minimum gains rules on $10+ million in stock), it is not plausible you paid much more than 40% in total taxes on your income.

      It's amazing how ignorant people are of home much they actually pay in taxes, and the people who like to complain about taxes tend to be the most ignorant.

    219. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I make $100,000 and pay less than 10% in federal income tax, and less than 20% in total tax (all local state and national taxes combined).

      You do pay 15.24% right off the top, for SSI/FICA. So unless you're paying less than 4.76% income tax, and have zero local/state income tax, then you are paying more than 20% in income taxes.

      In reality, he'd set up a property management LLC, make $250k gross, $50-100k expenses, and pay himself $150-$200k in dividends (not salary, different tax rates and no medicare/SS)

      Go ahead and try that, and enjoy the reaming by the IRS. Income from an LLC is passed through to the owners and is considered regular income - NOT dividends. Now, if you had a C corp instead of an LLC, you could receive some of your income as dividends; however, if more than 20% of your total cash receipts from the C corp are in dividends and not salary get ready for a reaming by the IRS - they consider that tax evasion and will come down on you. You cannot shift the majority - or even a large minority - of your compensation as you suggest.

      Not to mention that a C corp pays corporate income tax before any dividends are distributed, so you do get your nice double-taxation as well...

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    220. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Where DO you get your lies?

      What you wrote does not contradict what I wrote. There is absolutely no question that Medicare Part D is not allowed to negotiate drug prices. Wikipedia has documented the shit out of it:

      By the design of the program, the federal government is not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies, as federal agencies do in other programs.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Part_D#Criticisms

      Preparing for being modded down for not participating in the re-writing of history and group think..

      You do deserve to be modded down. Not for being contrary, but for sucking at critical thinking.
      However, that very flaw is probably going to keep you convinced that you are being persecuted.

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    221. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      This year, the Federal Government will receive $9,300 per man, woman, and child in the US. That's about $37,000 per family of four. What you're saying is that Federal spending of $3000 per month per family is not sufficient?

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    222. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Come to California - we're at 13%! Woo hoo!

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    223. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Which would work fine, if not for the fact that DC is tiny compared with the government facilities needed. The bomb ranges alone would likely take up more area that the entirely of DC combined.

      Not to mention the fact that one nuke or even just terrorist attack of the scale of the Boston Marathon bombing would disrupt the entire government.

    224. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      He is just a whining, like most people who like to complain about taxes.

      States with income taxes that high tend to have real estate taxes that are lower (and vice versa). So his example seems to be describing someone who is living in a huge mansion way beyond the means of a "measly" 250k salary, and spending, spending, spending on consumer goods at the same time.

      Changing gov't policy to coddle the most fiscally incompetent is not a winning strategy.

    225. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      So you are admitting that Democrats were not willing to accept any deal that did not contain tax increases? I see how that works.

      Do you now?

      One side wants tax increases the other side wants spending cuts. Compromise means they both get a little bit of what they want. If you see that as a binary choice, well then you are part of the problem.

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    226. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or that president "fair share" only paid %18 fed taxes hmmmmmmmmm

    227. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      soooo caligraphers, and the cowboy poetry festival are healthy or........ hmmmmmmmm

    228. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      that would be under clinton. remember the surplus a lot of people like to claim? yeah the GOP had congress then....

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    229. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      and you didnt even add in the 8% sales tax on pretty much everything from a brick and mortar store.

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    230. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, keep banging that one party drum, shill. You're in for a wicked surprise when it's all over. Just keep saying to yourself that it's just one side of the party system and the bad people will go away.

      LOLz

    231. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      I will respond to you then my friend. I never said income taxes, I said taxes. I personally dont care who is taxing me or why, im simply doing the math on everythhing, some 19% federal rate some 10% state rate all the taxes taken from my paycheck before i even get it SS FICA ETC. a 8.25% sales tax on pretty much everything. it all adds up. Sure I pulled the number 60 out of my ass, but it is well over 50 when all is totaled in.

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    232. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      The difference is that the Republicans know that income taxes, in any amount, are absolutely toxic to business, and that raising them will harm the economy.

      Is that the talking point these days? I guess I missed that one. I had always heard that it was capital gains taxes that were death on the economy. I was misled that tying up capital that couldn't be freed and reallocated because of oppressive tax rates would hinder growth and that's why capital gains were lowered in the 80s. Here all this time, it was income taxes that were the culprit.

      Maybe it's that you just don't like the idea of any taxes to fund government.

    233. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      if we simply start spending less then we take in, when we take in more every year then the year before it, taxes do not need to go up.

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    234. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      OK, show me what spending cuts were on the table.

    235. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      no you are ignoring all the other taxes, gas tax or sales tax and so on and so on. i was adding up ALL tax, not just 1 type of tax.

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    236. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      All of which total make a max 10% of your salary- if you spent every cent you make. Which you can't, as you already spent 30% on other things, reducing it to a max 7%, and would be reduced further by savings. Your numbers are pure garbage. Continuing to lie just makes you look like a fool.

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    237. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by torkus · · Score: 1

      Cut spending. Real honest cuts. Only after cuts are passed and in effect should any increases in revenue be discussed.

      This times 10.

      The problem is some of the big areas we *could* cut are the ones related to swing votes or political donations...which are essentially immune. So instead of ending corporate tax shelters and loopholes to get the $billions (and more) that SHOULD be paid, we're cutting air traffic controllers. Not administrative staff, not research staff, not 'tell passengers they can't use their ipad during takeoff but pilots can' staff, but the few people who actually serve a fucking purpose.

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    238. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Not at all. What you're failing to take into account is that you'll rarely see a family making that much money unless they live in a major city, in a state with an income tax, high property taxes, and a high cost of living.

      In a major city, a family of three making $200,000 is solidly middle class because the cost of everything is so much higher. Comparing the Bay Area to rural West Tennessee:

      • Gas prices cost nearly a buck a gallon more.
      • Eating out often costs twice as much (except fast food chains).
      • Housing costs about 10 times as much.
      • State income tax eats a little over 7%.

      Thus, a person in the Silicon Valley making a hundred grand has as much buying power as a person in the rural South making about $30,000–$40,000, once you factor in all of the cost of living differences, the higher tax rates, etc. Heck, it's only equivalent to making about $56,000 even in the city of Memphis.

      In other words, they're not kidding themselves. They really are average, middle class Joes, at least in the context of their area's cost of living. Now if they decide to retire in Bucksnort, that's another story, but assuming they want to retire where they lived their lives, you have to look at their income based on typical middle-class incomes in their area, because that's what will continue to set the price of housing, gasoline, food, etc. after they retire.

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    239. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by torkus · · Score: 1

      You make some good points, but vastly under-estimate what property taxes can run depending on your area.

      My $250k house costs 6-7 grand in property taxes. My mother's ~400K house is right around 10k owning to being in a much nicer neighborhood. 40K a year is high, but certainly not unbelievable.

      Still, the overall income/tax breakdown that started this is very likely fiction (or the guy is getting enough tax advice to save himself a ton of money and should donate some to ./)

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    240. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Right federal funds that get collected from the states, run through the federal bureaucracy and then partially returned to the states so that state officials can pretend that they are not responsible for some of the taxes their constituents have to pay to support such services and to make it harder for local voters to hold officials responsible for how the money is spent. ("Well, in order to qualify for federal money, we need to do 'X', even though we all agree that 'X' is an inefficient expenditure of money. Our hands are tied.").

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    241. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      have enough money to give to other countries, even when we cant open the white house the school kids

      The White House tour closure isn't about priorities like you imply. The option of switching the two was never available. The sequester mandated each agency come up with the same flat percentage cut. The only complaint you can levy about foriegn aid WRT sequester cuts is which country gets how much.

      For my money, fluff like public tours is exactly the kind of things an agency should cut first, if forced. If you disagree with that decision, that's what the political process is for. On the other hand, if a few hundred million to a middle-eastern state buys us a decent chance to avoid having to send troops in to another Afghanistan or Iraq war situation, its money damn well spent. If you diagree with me, that's what we have a political process for. Encourage your Congressman to support a funding/spending bill that is more specific.

      The only reason we are in this current dumb sequestration mess is that it was the only kind of compromise bill the Republicans running the House of Representatives were willing to entertain. Sure, they are quite willing to "cut fat" as long as the supposed fat is not spelled out. They also have no trouble throwing a few mild specifics out in a "plan", as long as it has no chance of passing as a bill. They have so far proven completely unwilling to write a bill that can pass both houses of Congress and get a POTUS signature.

    242. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Methuseus · · Score: 1

      Are you thinking that number is too low? Or too high? If you think it's too low, you should look at average incomes across most developed nations. You'll find that $200k a year is pretty rich for most of the (non-third) world.

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    243. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Also, social programs don't do anybody any long term favors. The give a man a fish and teach him to fish analogy comes to mind.

      So you're saying that the money should be spent on making higher education free instead? How's that not a social program?

      I don't think you'll get a reply from GP, unless he or she has a gift for quickly reconciling cognitive dissonance.

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    244. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by cffrost · · Score: 1

      [T]he issue is taxes dont need to go up, as a new yorker, i already spend over 60% of my income on taxes.... spending needs to go down. as such fuck anyone who wants more of my money when i can barely pay for my food[.]

      If you're in NYC, you can save a shitload of money by living on the sidewalk with the many people who can't afford ganja, food, or shelter.

      As a metro-area New Yorker, I'm more concerned that my taxes are being used to curtail civil liberties, instead of (for example) giving those aforementioned people a place to live, than I am about the rate that I'm taxed.

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    245. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      i already spend over 60% of my income on taxes

      I will respond to you then my friend. I never said income taxes, I said taxes.

      And did you read my reply? "I spend less than 20% of my income on all combined taxes (local, state, and federal, including medicare and SS)." My total tax rate, SS FICA, etc. plus state rate, plus sales tax, all added together is under 20% (incuding property tax on over $1,000,000 in property). And unless you are in Oregon making millions, you aren't paying 10% of your income on state taxes. Where are you anyway, not only is your state tax rate improbable, the combination of a high state income tax and high sales tax leaves you living in HI or NY, to which the answers would have been "well move, dumbass." The reason you got complaints is that yes, the worst-case of all the taxes combined is bad, but unless you are living in Manhattan, you are likely far from the theoretical worst. And the practical case is closer to my actual real number pulled from my actual tax forms from 2007 (the last year before I moved to a place with lower taxes and more governmental services - like free universal health care). Now I pay even lower taxes and get more. Why do people forget you can shop for effective government, whether it's switching states, or countries?

    246. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      Let's just say it: The Republicans are the problem.
      April 27, 2012

      We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.

      The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

      When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country's challenges.

      Romney Rules Out Compromise: I Won't Accept $1 In New Taxes For $10 In Spending Cuts
      Jun 17, 2012

      SCHIEFFER: You were one of the vast majority of Republicans to signed the pledge circulated by the leading antitax advocate Grover Norquist, no new taxes under any circumstances. And I remember once back during one of the primaries, you were asked if you would agree to $1 in taxes if you could get $10 cut in spending cuts, and you said at that time, no, I wouldn't even accept that. Do you still feel that way?

      ROMNEY: Well, we all felt that way. And the reason is that government, at all levels today, consumers about 37% of our economy.

      SCHIEFFER: But do you still feel--

      ROMNEY: Let me go on and explain. The answer is I do feel that way. [...]

      A Republican couldn't even run for President without dismissing 1:10 taxes to cuts.
      Both parties have problems, but not all problems are equal.

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    247. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I should take a correction from an anonymous fucktard who doesn't even know the definition of AGI?

    248. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      A crushing blow, if I have ever seen one.

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    249. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      Instead of cutting out the double cheeseburgers, we just removed all the tomatoes and lettuce. You know, the only parts that have any nutritional value.

      That's the point of the original comment in this thread, I believe.

    250. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You do pay 15.24% right off the top, for SSI/FICA

      No, I pay 6.2% FICA and 1.45% Medicare.

    251. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Not if you were earning your income from an LLC or self-owned corporation, like you were talking about. Now, when you're employed by others, your company pays half on your behalf, but make no mistake they factor that in to your entire compensation package. It's coming out of the benefits you get (just like when they pay a portion of your insurance costs).

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    252. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      The Defense Department's proposed $526.6 billion base budget is a reduction of $3.9 billion, or 0.7 percent, from the enacted budget for 2012.
      ,,,
      The administration's proposed budget provides $8.2 billion for the E.P.A., a decrease of $296 million, or 3.5 percent, from current spending.
      ...
      The home health co-payments and premium surcharges would raise $3.6 billion from 2017 to 2023

      Health Care and Military Spending Bear the Brunt of Proposed Cuts

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    253. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1
      Read again. I was quite clear.

      I make $100,000 and pay less than 10% in federal income tax, and less than 20% in total tax (all local state and national taxes combined).

      You do pay 15.24% right off the top, for SSI/FICA.

      You made incorrect assumptions based on my replies to others about how taxes are high on the rich. I'm in the top 10% of wage earners (just barely). The person I was responding to was making up a "worst case" example with someone who owns multi-millions in real estate, but doesn't know what a tax deduction is. So yes, I rebutted their innane and worthless example, while giving a counter example. Look for "I" in my statements, and they are about the real case of my most recent tax return. "he'd" do this is obviously not about my real example.

      Pronouns. They have meaning too.

    254. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sure, after being the ones to balloon the national debt with entitlement programs--after being the ones to make the cuts necessary in the first place--they say, "You know, we need to make some cuts. And raise taxes some more, too. And you know what, we're even willing to make cuts to Social Secu...oh, wait, you mean you aren't willing to make cuts? You obstructionists!"

      Someone has to stand up to the Democrats and say, "NO MORE TAXES." That responsibility falls to the Republicans.

      What boggles my mind is why anyone thinks more taxes are necessary. With the enormity of government pork, inefficiencies, and failures to oversee itself (such as Inspector General posts left unmanned by none other than our very own hero of hope, President Obama), why would anyone want to give the government more money?! It's like a parent whose teen blows his allowance on booze and has none left to pay his own car insurance, and then the parent gives the teen more money to pay it. What a foolish parent! We have a situation in which the teen's peers have to step in and say to the teen's parent, "DO NOT GIVE HIM ANY MORE MONEY!" But the parent thinks that throwing more money at him will fix him, that "this time" it will work.

      The logical disconnect is astounding. But I guess you can't fix stupid by the time stupid is stupid.

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    255. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by mcmaddog · · Score: 1

      And what's wrong with charging an American citizen (pretty sure that makes him "normal") in Federal Court? Since September 11th, almost 600 terrorism cases have been tried in U.S. Federal Courts. They seem to be much better at handling terrorism cases than the Military Court at Guantanamo.

    256. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      And during every single time they've been in control spending has gone through the roof. But, what's worse is that the spending hasn't been on anything which benefited the average citizen, it's mostly on things that benefit the rich.

      Empty, meaningless assertions. Opinion at best.

      The problem is that some think the solution to the perceived imbalance (which isn't really anything new in the world) is for the government to play Robin Hood. But people can't seem to figure out that the government is the Sheriff of Nottingham; it can't be Robin Hood at the same time. The solution is to give the Sheriff less money, not to steal more of it.

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    257. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      This is only logical: the government is the most inefficient money-spending machine there is. It's completely irrational to give it more money before first reducing its spending. The Democrats want to throw more money after the bad, to put more money into a pocket with a hole in it. That's stupid. First make the hole smaller, then see if you even need to add more money.

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    258. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      The government should get less of everyone's money, regardless of their status. This whole idea of raising taxes on "the rich" is simply a case of special treatment. The government should see all people equally, and all people should be taxed at an equal rate. That is fairness and equality. It is not the government's job to pass judgment on who is allowed to have how much money.

      Of course, many people want the government to bring "the rich" down to their level. They want the government to take things from people--as long as they aren't the ones being taken from.

      Irrational, opportunistic hypocrites.

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    259. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      All classes should pay the same rate. That is the only fair solution. Anything else makes the government the judge of who is allowed to be how wealthy.

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    260. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 2

      Insightful? That's the worst analogy I've ever seen. It's worse than the worst car analogy in the history of Slashdot.

      Try this: Think of it like a family member who's grossly obese. You want him to lose weight, so you tell him to spend his money on healthier food. He ignores you and continues to gain weight. So you threaten to cut his allowance; at least he won't be able to buy as much unhealthy food. But he says, no, I need more money so I can buy healthy food; I have to buy this unhealthy food now because if I bought healthy food, I'd still feel hungry. He convinces the family he's right, so he gets more money, and buys even more junk food.

      Except it's even worse, because he's also the food purchaser for others in the family; so whenever he buys unhealthy food, other people in the family become unhealthy too.

      Government is fundamentally like a spoiled, entitled brat. You can't reason with him. You can't convince him to be more responsible or healthy with his spending. The only thing you can do is limit his allowance to the bare minimum to limit the damage. That, and tell the rest of the family to use their own brains to buy their own food.

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    261. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Exactly. It's impossible to reduce government spending except by giving it less money to work with.

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    262. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      So now when they refuse to increase spending further, they are the bad guys?

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    263. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Ha, you're funny. The Democrats want to regulate your private life more than any Republican, because they want to control more of your MONEY. The Democrats want to take your hard-earned cash and then dribble it back to you in the form of social programs, according to what they think you deserve.

      On top of that, you're either a liar or completely irrational. The Republicans do not want to legislate what anyone does in his bedroom. But according to you, not wanting to give a government endorsement of a partnership intended to establish the fundamental building block of society--the nuclear family--to a partnership scientifically (oh!) unable to create a nuclear family is "legislating what I do in my bedroom." Yeah, but the Republicans don't understand science at all...

      Oh and those Democrats and their economic prowess. Yeah, let's enlarge the middle class by raising taxes and making more people dependent on government handouts. That's so much more economically inspiring than allowing people to keep what they earn and determine their own destiny. No, they don't have a clue what they're doing, but oh, they're so kind and generous, their heart is in the right place, so let's keep giving them more money until they get it right. This time it will work.

      The logical disconnects...they hurt...

      I won't even bother to counter "enforce Christian beliefs" and "refuses compromise." If you can't comprehend how the rest of your arguments are empty...

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    264. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by raehl · · Score: 1

      The Republicans love the rich, that's why they try to make it easier to become rich.

      Except that's not true. Republicans make it easier to *STAY* rich. They make it quite difficult to become rich, because if you're not already rich, you have to pay the federal government 43% of your income in taxes on the way to becoming rich, while the people who are already rich pay 15%.

      If Republicans really wanted to make it easier to become rich, they would replace the income and payroll taxes with a flat 25% tax on all income. Maybe let everyone have their first $10k tax free.

    265. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Someone has to stand up to the Democrats and say, "NO MORE TAXES." Good grief, this was how our country was founded in the first place! Now people want to throw it away!

      "Oh those evil Republicans, they are unwilling to compromise and increase taxes even a little bit!"

      On the other hand: Those evil Democrats are unwilling to compromise and cut spending even a little bit without tax increases.

      See? It works both ways. The fallacy is that the middle ground must always be the right place to stand.

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    266. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      The idea that the middle ground is always right is a fallacy. Leadership is rarely popular, but always necessary.

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    267. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Hm, appeal to authority much? The GOP is not an outlier. If it was, it wouldn't control one of the two houses of Congress. But painting your enemy as extremists is easier than rational argument.

      Your Romney quote is unbearably stupid. Cut spending by $10 and increase taxes by $1? If spending were cut by X percent, why increase taxes by X/10 percent? Just cut the spending and let the citizens keep their money! Who would honestly propose taking more money from citizens while at the same time decreasing their benefits?! This kind of irrational thinking and blaming is the problem!

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    268. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Interesting that the nytimes fails to disclose the total amount budgeted in this proposal for fy2013. Why do you think that is?

    269. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Didn't work thanks to the Tea Party maniacs who are unwilling/unable to compromise to cut and tax effectively

      I am not going to compromise with someone who insists that part of the compromise consists of plunging a knife into my belly. Compromise is not a good goal, nor in itself a desirable thing. Many of the leftists who want to increase the size of government do so with the deliberate (but seldom stated) intent of destroying the country; such leftists include Obama, his cabinet and lackeys, and "leaders" like Reid and Pelosi. Compromise with them is compromise with suicide.

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    270. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The Obama administration bought a prison from one one the states, after being explicitly forbidden to do so by Congress. This saves money how?

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    271. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The Republicans control the House, where all spending bills originate.

      Except Obamacare, which is now being challenged in Federal Courts on just that basis.

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    272. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      BLAME? The CREDIT for sequestration goes mostly to Republicans.

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    273. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Always makes me laugh that Americans figure 50 some states will spend less money more efficiently than 1 fed.

      Each step that money goes through means that more leaks off in overhead.
      The further away the spending is (in a state or town) from the source of the money (the federal government) the weaker are the controls against waste and fraud, because the incentives to prevent waste and fraud disappear. No bridge builder in Minnesota cares if he pads expenses for tax money from the feds that came 98% from outside Minnesota.

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    274. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The federal government (in league with Bill Gates!) is extorting the states into implementing the inferior and indoctrinating "Common Core" program, replacing the failed federally pushed "No Child Left Behind." Although the 10% seems small, it's used with great leverage, insidiously, stupidly, and maliciously.

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    275. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Switzerland doesn't work?

      If you think a confederacy (I wish we still were) is a problem for the affairs of "a modern 21st century superpower", think how nasty US military action would be without the limitations imposed by separation of powers.

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    276. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Make your point, don't ask me to make it for you.

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    277. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Space travel and exploration is increasingly becoming private, which transcends state borders. Private institutions do disease and biological research, although Obamacare is strangling such work. New Hampshire's concern with cell phones is that the towers not be too obtrusive or ugly (as is the case in many states), furthermore, the decisions are made on a town-by-town basis though zoning regulations, and it's not a problem.

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    278. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Why do you think support for gun ownership is so strong in rural communities? One reason is to mow down a violent invasion from places like Detroit.

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    279. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Cutting bus service is an athletic program.

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    280. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      A Republican couldn't even run for President without dismissing 1:10 taxes to cuts.

      And I dismiss 1:10 cyanide to water.

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    281. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Well here's a time for businesses to step the fuck up and show us how totally great things would be if they'd weren't so restrained.

      Sure... Aah... I don't see those restraints being removed. You do understand it is the government that's imposing the constraints and refusing to remove them, don't you?

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    282. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If discretionary spending was $0 (all "pork" eliminated), the budget would still not be balanced. If you aren't cutting the military or SS, there's no reason to cut before taxing. You know for certain that the budget won't be balanced when you are done. So why the constraint that you must fail at balancing through cuts before you examine any option that could possibly be successful at balancing the budget?

      Also, you do realize that the SSA and IRS are much much more efficient than the private sector versions of the same things, right? SS is about 1/10th the cost of an equivelent low-risk mutual fund in the private sector, and does more than those funds do. And the IRS is similarly much lower (about 1/10th) cost than having ADP or another private company handle the same function. The government isn't that inefficient. The inefficient parts are the ones Congress meddles in. The closer the politicians get to micromanaging the spending, the greater the waste.

    283. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      My point is republicans are not looking for a few cuts so spending can be moved around and increased overall. When they say spending cuts, they mean meaningful cuts that cut the overall level of spending.

    284. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      What cuts? There are no cuts, merely reductions in the rate of increase. I assume everybody here took calculus and knows about rates of increase.

      The only reason the FAA is reducing air service is because the administration wants to apply as much pain as possible to blackmail the public into crying about restoring the "cuts".

      This is called the "Firemen First" approach (cut the fire dept so the mayor won't have to cut back on patronage funds or whatever):

      http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-03-14/news/bs-ed-turkey-farms

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    285. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Ah, so having lost the argument on budget cuts you are not only moving the goal posts, but you are not willing to back up your new claims. OK.

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    286. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by tubs · · Score: 1

      I'm just proposing an alternative view to the comment that education would be better without any federal involvement.

      I think blaming the federal government for how local schools spend money or teach is probably not fair, when someone else suggested that 90% of the education budget is at statelocal level (backed up by your wiki article) - possibly the reason the federal government got involved was that the individual states were not achieving what they should.

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    287. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      I didn't say the military or SS should be exempt from cuts. I didn't even say that only discretionary spending should be cut. I think there are lots of government programs that should be cut, and plenty more that could be.

      You know what would really be more efficient? Having a flat, fair tax. Get rid of the thousands upon thousands of pages of tax code and stop wasting citizens' money on professionals who still don't understand it all. Let them put that money toward something useful, and those people toward something productive.

      I don't know if you live in Alaska. If you do, maybe you're used to a different kind of government. From where I sit, there's basically no such thing as government efficiency--it's an oxymoron.

      But on principle, I think taxes should not be raised ever again, period, except for a World War III. More government is never the answer to societal or economic problems. People should keep more of their hard-earned money and spend it as they choose, determining their own destiny and--wait for it--pursuing happiness on their own terms.

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    288. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by spiralx · · Score: 1

      Exactly, racism.

    289. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by tubs · · Score: 1

      A little light reading suggests the system was broken before that, the extra funding was supposed to address the lack of achievement of poorer students. That lack of achievement was already there, not caused by the federal funding grants.

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    290. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Shajenko42 · · Score: 1

      The part that a lot of people did not understand was that it was a marginal tax rate increase. That means that if you made $200,001 in a year, only $1 would be taxed at the hire rate given a $200,000 cutoff. People seemed to think that once you went into a higher tax bracket, ALL you income would be taxed at the high rate. What that all boils down to is that only the very rich would feel the tax increase.

      This "misunderstanding" was being pushed intentionally to scare people. It's been debunked many, many times, but keeps coming back because it's an easily understood (though completely incorrect) way to make people scared of taxes.

    291. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. If you earn $200,000 a year, you are not average.

      The average household income in the US is $41,994 (according to Wikipedia, 1999). The average household income in Los Angeles (according to city-data.com, 2009) is $48,617. Average in New York City is $50,033. So if your household earns $200,000, you earn the same as four average families in the most densely populated urban environment in the US (nay, the world). Or to put it another way- if you earn $200,000 a year, you earn 130x the amount of someone living on minimum wage.

      I'm not trying to attack people who have managed to earn a lot of money. But it would be nice if those who do have the common decency to recognise how wealthy they are, and show some empathy for the rest of the population (the 97% of Americans, in this case) who do not.

    292. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FAA cut is 4% of their total budget. The CHOICE to do it in the most painful way, messing around with core services, is a political one. Certainly there's 4% fat somewhere else within FAA. As WSJ put it... a 4% budget cut shouldn't equate to 40% of all domestic airline flights being delayed. Any CEO who couldn't absorb a 4% budget cut to their business and provide business as usual, or darn close to it, would be fired.

    293. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, social programs don't do anybody any long term favors. The give a man a fish and teach him to fish analogy comes to mind.

      How about you ask your parents to opt-out of Social Security and Medicare and you cover their retirement expenses......

    294. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by wallsg · · Score: 1

      Also, social programs don't do anybody any long term favors. The give a man a fish and teach him to fish analogy comes to mind.

      How about you ask your parents to opt-out of Social Security and Medicare and you cover their retirement expenses......

      How about giving them back all of the money (with interest) that they paid into their "account"?

      Give me back all of my "contributions" over the last 31 years (both halves) and I'll opt-out, you bet your ass.

    295. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Zordak · · Score: 1

      Ummm, wow. Your shining examples of government efficiency are the SSA and the IRS? Do you not realize that Social Security is essentially the largest Ponzi scheme in the history of the world? They don't take your money and grow your portfolio until you retire. They take it to make disbursements to beneficiaries, with the promise that your children will pay your way when they start working. It's worked out okay so far, but the bubble will burst eventually. It's kind of one of the primary features of a Ponzi scheme.

      And I assume when you say IRS, you are referring to some agency other than the Internal Revenue Service, who are essentially jackbooted thugs. I guess you could say they're "efficient" at shaking down people for money, but only because they're not answerable to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. If they were subject to any kind of tort liability, they would be sued into oblivion next week.

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    296. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by wallsg · · Score: 1

      That's not to say Democrats don't have their own problems, but until Republicans agree that the rich should pay the same taxes as people who work, it is silly for me to support Republicans.

      And if a bunch of generally wealthy people have to spend a lot more time sitting around airports to get rich people to pay their fair share, I'm good with that.

      How about a 10% (or pick your number) flat tax with no deductions and no floor? Then everyone pays the same and nobody gets a tax break.

      No Big <insert-boogeyman-here> tax breaks, no "green" tax breaks, no charity tax breaks, no farm tax breaks, no tax breaks for hiring new workers, no tax break for depreciation, no tax breaks for mortgage interest, no tax break for being "rich", no tax break for being "poor", no tax break for being "middle class", no tax breaks at all.

    297. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Occams · · Score: 1

      Rather, it is "fuck you back." This is how you can tell i an executive manager isany good.

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    298. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I grew up in Texas, and lived there about 30 years. So I know big state government. Alaska isn't any more efficient, they are just more well funded because the Alaskan government owns lots of natural resources and taxes that which they do not own.

      And I have since moved out of Alaska since making my username while living there.

      I have no issue with the IRS or income tax, but I do have an issue with the rules passed by Congress they are to implement. I've pointed out often when people complain about taxes that my latest return was for about $100,000 in income, and federal income tax was less than 10% of that. So many complain about that. But they don't understand what it means. Once I toss the legal max in a 401(k) and deduct property taxes, mortgage interest, educational and childcare expenses that are deductible and all that, I end up with a taxable income well below my salary. But I play the game. I look for deductions and adjust my personal life to fit. The loonitarians don't (or lie about it), and complain about their 60% tax rate. Taxes in the US are actually pretty low, for people that play the game. The problem is that playing the game is hard, and I agree that one shouldn't have to spend money in "approved" ways, even if I'm personally happy to avoid taxes as much as possible.

      If we just eliminated all deductions - yes, all of them, and treated all income the same. Then the budget would be balanced. Taxes don't have to "increase", but consider capital gains and interest/dividends as self-employed income, not a special "investor class" and get rid of all the deductions designed to encourage specific behaviors and the budget will be balanced. And it's as simple as the flat tax.

      Other countries do "PAYE" tax. Rather than "paying" once a year, and reconciling pre-payment with the bill, some places calculate taxes such that your burden is every paycheck, and handled there. You never have to pay more at the end of the year. And if you have deductions (which are fewer), you can optionally claim back, but you don't ever file a tax return, or anything like that.

      Increased taxes aren't about increasing the government. It's about paying off the government our parents enjoyed, but didn't pay for. We've had a debt continually for longer than most of us have been alive. We can't just balance the budget, we need a surplus to pay back the sins of our parents. The budget problem is more about making the quick or easy choice, rather than making the right one.

    299. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Ummm, wow. Your shining examples of government efficiency are the SSA and the IRS? Do you not realize that Social Security is essentially the largest Ponzi scheme in the history of the world?

      An efficiently run one. The manner of "investment" is fixed by law. But the expenses of the organization looking after those false investments are more efficient than the private sector companies performing the same function. Your distaste for the goals and purposes of the organization are irrelevant to the efficiency of it doing those "bad" things.

      And I assume when you say IRS, you are referring to some agency other than the Internal Revenue Service, who are essentially jackbooted thugs. I guess you could say they're "efficient" at shaking down people for money, but only because they're not answerable to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. If they were subject to any kind of tort liability, they would be sued into oblivion next week.

      Yes, those jackbooted thugs are more efficient than the private sector thugs. You are apparently agreeing that they are more efficient, then arguing about why. If so, you are very disagreeable in your agreement.

    300. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      What is bothers me is that both the Republicans and the Democrats love increasing federal spending. They just preach different mantras to get that in place. When one group of citizens shows up with the shocking idea of reducing that spending, they're labelled racists and Hillbillies.

    301. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Zordak · · Score: 1

      An efficiently run one.

      Ponzi schemes are by nature efficient. All you have to do is take people's money and pay out fake dividends until the bubble pops. It's not that hard. How is the SSA more efficient at it than private enterprise?

      Yes, those jackbooted thugs are more efficient than the private sector thugs. You are apparently agreeing that they are more efficient, then arguing about why. If so, you are very disagreeable in your agreement.

      I guess they're efficient at that one thing. "Effective," might be a better word. But that's not the only thing they do. In fact, according to the IRS's own website, they reorganized themselves in 1998 to be more like a private enterprise. So even if the IRS is a bastion of government efficiency, as you claim, it is because they are aping the private sector. That's not much of an endorsement of the efficiency of government operations.

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    302. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      This is correct. Seriously. Imagine a one postcard tax form, knowing exactly what you would owe, and reaonable belief that nobody's using a tax dodge.

    303. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I call shenanigans. Whenever I've suggested a flat tax along the lines you suggest, I've been roundly insulted by people who claim it's unfair to the poor, and they have been overwhelmingly Democrat. Just sayin...

    304. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So even if the IRS is a bastion of government efficiency, as you claim, it is because they are aping the private sector. That's not much of an endorsement of the efficiency of government operations.

      That's a PR move because of all the loons out there who equate government with inefficient. It doesn't mean that they've made any actual changes, or that they weren't already more efficient than private enterprise.

      How is the SSA more efficient at it than private enterprise?

      Because the organizations that do it privately cost more to do it than SSA does.

    305. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Zordak · · Score: 1

      It doesn't mean that they've made any actual changes

      Well, we can certainly agree on that.

      Because the organizations that do it privately cost more to do it than SSA does.

      Hey, you should join our tautology club! The only membership requirement is that you're a member of the tautology club.

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    306. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Hey, you should join our tautology club! The only membership requirement is that you're a member of the tautology club.

      So you are saying that companies like ADP, who do nothing other than take payments in one side and make them out the other, charge less to do that then the SSA? Oh, you aren't because they don't? Instead, you are changing the subject so that hopefully nobody recognizes you are 100% wrong? Too late. The government is more efficient than private at SSA, IRS, prisons, and lots of other things. They are inefficient on the whole because Congress sets the direction, but the execution of the poor direction is surprisingly efficient.

    307. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by raehl · · Score: 1

      That's because when most people suggest a flat tax, they only mean replacing the income tax with a flat tax and not including the payroll tax. A flat tax PLUS a payroll tax is tremendously unfair to the poor.

      If your flat tax replaces both the federal income and federal payroll tax, and applies to all income, and maybe has an exemption for the first $X of income per adult, then you have an actual fair tax.

    308. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, thats not 60% in income taxes, so you're already lieing.

      The standard was:

      "I highly doubt you pay 60% of your income on taxes."

      60% of income in taxes, NOT 60% in income taxes. Comprehension, mother fucker!

    309. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right and it was OBAMA that flipped us the bird. He has control of how the sequester is implemented. No one else. HE's the one doing this.

    310. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by nobodie · · Score: 1

      I have a really excellent idea: furlough all the TSA agents and just let us get the hell on a plane for crying out loud.

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    311. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      "They honestly want to help people".
      I'm sorry, I just laughed milk out my nose.
      You've been duped, buddy. Plus, you violated the cardinal rule of discourse: never trust anything that comes after "Honestly"

    312. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhh. This is high school. The democrats are the cool kids. Belong to their club, and you're cool by association. The republicans are the stuffy old rich kids who nobody likes.

    313. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, I see no mention of race in the parent you're referencing. Just location. Unless you're saying that only certain races could possibly live in Detroit. Which is, in itself, a racist statement.

    314. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by spiralx · · Score: 1

      Well then it's a good thing you're not someone who'd twist someone's words to try and make it seem like there was meaning that wasn't there then, right?

    315. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How dare they! Why, we should use it to build puppy farms.Think of the puppies!

    316. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      They are not budget cuts. The budget (when we have one) is still growing at an alarming rate. You are referring to the equivalent of departmental cuts.

    317. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Government spending under Obama's budgets has increased only 1.4% total and in fiscal 2013 it even went down by 1.3%. If you take inflation into account the effective spending is even less.

      So, no, not "departmental cuts."

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

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    318. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      That is a load of horseshit. It is totally dependent on when you start counting. The blame lays as much with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. The last budget by republicans that became law was 2.7 trillion. By FY 2009 it was up to 3.5 trillion, and we haven't had a budget signed into law since. It should be noted that the house and the senate delayed passage of the fy 2009 budget until after Obama was in office. So it was signed by him, even though the FY began under Bush.

    319. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and find solace in trying to muddy the details all you want, but what you can't dispute is that last year the spending was DOWN. Not just lowest growth since Eisenhower, but negative growth.

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    320. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      You're totally right. I stand corrected. Our spending levels are totally in line with the historical average. GDP growth is excellent. Employment levels are great. Incomes are up. Families are building wealth and capital like never before, particularly traditionally disadvantaged groups. You should be proud of how our government has turned the economy around from when we were living under Bush's boot heel. Spending was down 20 billion last year from the year before, so our deficit was only 1.1 trillion. Totally reasonable and such an improvement. We can totally afford to spend 225 billion this year servicing the debt.

    321. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      You're totally right. I stand corrected.

      Hey, you are the one who picked the fight not knowing the facts going in.

      All that other red herring you shit you just pulled out your ass? Put it back up there - I'm not here to have an open ended discussion with you, those never go anywhere. You started off with one specific and easily nailed down falsehood, I nailed it down and now we are done.

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    322. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Bartles · · Score: 1

      And you can continue missing the forest for the trees. Whatever it takes to justify your vote. The economic situation in this country is not headed in the right direction.

    323. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      And you can continue missing the forest for the trees.

      If you wanted to talk about the forest, you should have jumped into some other discussion where the forest was under debate.

      Whatever it takes to justify your vote.

      Don't be that guy. I've never voted democrat in my life. But I seek truth and you are the one just looking to score political points.

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    324. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right they're both to blame. Democrats and Republicans. When they control government they spend more money than the government takes in. They create programs to throw money to their friends, be it Unions, Green Companies, Big Oil, Defense contractors, the UN, Egypt or Israel.
      A plague on both their houses.
      Social programs are useless because they're structured incorrectly. They don't do anyone any favors. As originally structure they were suppose to pay for people in poverty long enough for them to learn to master a skill so they could get a job and not be in poverty any more. To be self sufficient so they didn't need to be supported by a social program any more. Naturally the master a skill part is the most expensive and expert intensive part of the problem, and so was the first one cut in preference to just throwing money at people, which was cheaper. Only its not cheaper when 47% of everybody is getting money thrown at them.

    325. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could promise you a pony, but that doesn't mean you'll ever get it. How many times should the Republicans foolishly believe that the Democrats will cut spending some unspecified time in the next twenty years if we can only raise taxes this year, before they stop falling for it?

    326. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. They already cut art and band. Those were real cuts. Athletics and bus service are fake cuts, like closing the White House to tours and delay air traffic, so that the public will make an outcry and let them raise taxes.

    327. Re:Sequestration is a gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because our problem is not under taxation. It's too much spending.
      Gut all the stupid, useless, government spending done by both parties. Get rid of every program that does not meet a need addressed in the Constitution and then get back to me and I might be willing to raise taxes.

  2. Well, duh by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Troll

    U.S. Democrats and Republicans spent the day using the FAA's statement as political fodder rather than working on resolving sequestration.

    The Republicans got what they wanted: Spending cuts. Who gives a flying fark through a rolling doughnut how badly it was implimented? Now we all have to suffer because a bunch of fat bastards in suits can't behave any better than children. A better idea would have been to pass a law saying that if they couldn't agree on a budget they'd all be fired.

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    1. Re:Well, duh by iggymanz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      no, it really is due to drama queen-ism by the obama administration, a 2% haircut to budget is nothing

    2. Re:Well, duh by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      This is the desired reaction. As soon as we fire all the right people the pain will stop. The longer we resist, the more it will hurt.

    3. Re:Well, duh by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hmm. Amusingly, it appears the slashmods went full retard again: Suggesting that our elected officials are incompetent? Something about 80% of americans believe, is apparently "trolling". And firing them so that more competent people can be moved into those positions and actually fix the problem? Trolling.

      Yeah. I'm really losing respect for this website... ever since it was bought out, it's become a craven hole of repugnant hipsters.

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    4. Re:Well, duh by geekoid · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Obama agreed with may of the cuts, and kept making compromises.

      The pubs kept moving the goal post.

      So, yeah. It's the pubs.

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    5. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Republicans want cuts because otherwise we are in a death spiral. These aren't even real cuts. They are cuts in increases in spending. Democrats for their part both invented this (white house), agreed to it(congress), and denied it later so that brainwashed fucks like you would blame it all on Republicans. It is all theater, and the cuts only hurt because the gang that wants infinite spending is committed to making it so.

    6. Re:Well, duh by Bodhammer · · Score: 0

      Obama agreed with may of the cuts, and kept making compromises.

      The pubs kept moving the goal post.

      So, yeah. It's the pubs.

      BULLSHIT!

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    7. Re:Well, duh by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the BIG issue is that NO ONE offered cuts, both sides offered "cuts from projected spending" in otherwords, both sides offered up more spending than the previous year.

      I know know about the rest of you guys, but to me, if i spend 10 bucks today and only 12 bucks tomorrow when i thought i was going to spend 15, thats still an increase, not a cut! sadly the government, both republican or demorcratic, thinks otherwise/

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    8. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I particularly liked Paul Ryan's statement where he said he was happy that the president's budget gave him everything he had asked for, but he was disappointed that the president was expecting to get something in exchange for it.

    9. Re:Well, duh by AK+Marc · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If your apple tree made 2 apples last year, and you gave 50% of them to your neighbor, and this year, your tree makes 100 apples, and you give 2% of your apples to your neighbor, are you more or less generous than the year before?

    10. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the neighbor feel entitled to the apples?

    11. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your comment is completely fucking meaningless to the conversation.

    12. Re:Well, duh by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I haven't followed this because it's the same as before and doesn't matter because as you say, it's all theater anyway.

      But, the Republicans are mo better than the Democrats. They like to tie tax cuts to spending cuts so that the budget will never be balanced.

    13. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama agreed with may of the cuts, and kept making compromises.

      The pubs kept moving the goal post.

      So, yeah. It's the pubs.

      Try again. Obama proposed the sequestration AND is the one who moved the goal posts.

    14. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I normally stay out of any such "It's the D's! No it's the R's!" back and forth finger-pointing blame games, but your loud, single-worded argument has successfully swayed me in your favor.

    15. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, I'm confused. Are we, the American public, the apple tree? If so, when did Congress raise taxes by four thousand, nine hundred percent?

    16. Re:Well, duh by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Except that much of the budget is exempt, and it's executed over half a year rather than a full year. So that small-seeming 2% cut is actually an 8% cut from most departments. And that isn't trivial.

    17. Re:Well, duh by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      And yours added what, exactly?

    18. Re:Well, duh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      If your apple tree made 2 apples last year, and you gave 50% of them to your neighbor, and this year, your tree makes 100 apples, and you give 2% of your apples to your neighbor, are you more or less generous than the year before?

      Bad Analogy...

      Better one might be:

      If you charged your neighbor $100 a year to mow his grass last year, and this year you want him to pay $150 dollars, have you increased or decreased his year-to-year cost if you change your mind and only charge him $120?

      Hint: $120 is more than $100.

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    19. Re:Well, duh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That is the most tortured analogy I've heard all day.

      And considering how much time I spent on Slashdot today, that's pretty amazing. Generosity is a strange analogue to spending.

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    20. Re:Well, duh by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Does it matter if you switch from 52 weekly mowings at $150 per year to $120 per year at 12 mowings a year? The mowings went from $3 each to $10 each to "save money".

      Yes, I realize I'm not addressing the 10% increase when a 20% increase was budgeted is called a "cut". I don't care. I don't have to address *only* what was said by someone else. I can explore other related questions.

    21. Re:Well, duh by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      spending and generosity are the same thing. The only difference is the willingness of the spender/giver.

    22. Re:Well, duh by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      lol so all government work is charity, eh? Sounds good.

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    23. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama proposed the sequestration process. Read a book, dumbass.

    24. Re:Well, duh by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, the BIG issue is that the gov/corp is telling you that you will both be shot tomorrow, and you spend your remaining time arguing who should be the first... Wow...

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    25. Re: Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really like talking about the mods instead of staying on topic. There must be other sites that fall into your narrow range of thought?

    26. Re:Well, duh by dryeo · · Score: 1

      If it cost $80 in expenses, eg gas etc, last year to mow the lawn and this year it is going to cost $110 to mow the lawn as well as the cost of living going up, is $120 really an unreasonable increase or actually a decrease?

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    27. Re:Well, duh by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      not the argument I was making. the argument was that if I today say I will spend 1 million dollars more then I did this year.
      do you follow so far?

      so then after i already said i intended to spend 1 million more than last year, but i NOW say that i am ONLY going to spend 900K more then lanst year! holy shit right??!?! I am saving 300K right??

      FUCK NO! I am still spending 900K morethis year!

      and this is how the politicians (i wont say any party because both are guilty) fuck us americans.

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    28. Re:Well, duh by stenvar · · Score: 1

      It's not "generosity" if it is imposed by the IRS.

    29. Re:Well, duh by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You seem frustrated that people are deliberately dodging your point, when you are deliberately dodging theirs. If you operate a business with 10 tables, then the next year operate only 9 tables, did you "cut" services? Does it matter if food went up by 20% so you are paying 10% more to keep those 9 remaining tables open?

      Services are being cut, even if the budget is increasing. That's the natural result of printing money to "ease" the problem. You move it, but it'll always be there until we default on the debt (or pay it back, but that'll never happen).

    30. Re:Well, duh by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      There's no immediate debt crisis, Boehner says, agreeing with Obama
      http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/17/news/la-pn-no-immediate-debt-crisis-boehner-obama-20130317
      March 17, 2013

      Boehner expressed agreement with Obama's statement in an ABC interview the other day that the debt doesn't present "an immediate crisis."

      But Boehner took issue with Obama's assertion that it doesn't make sense to âoechase a balanced budget just for the sake of balance.â

      The new spending plan from House Republicans would balance the budget in 10 years, a priority Boehner said this morning is important to the economy.

      Death spiral eh?
      Where do you get your facts?

      I guess I can understand where you'd get that idea, since Republicans have more or less spent years claiming the debt apocalypse is coming.

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    31. Re:Well, duh by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 1

      I didn't known Penn and Teller had an account on Slashdot...

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    32. Re:Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the big issue is that the GOP is controlled by fucking luddites who have no grasp on reality. Here's a little list of problems and the GOP's suggested solutions:

      Abortion - Restrict the use of contraceptives, defund sex education programs
      Corporate influence on politics - Corporate personhood
      Government Deficit - cut taxes, increase spending (on select programs, but overall increase)
      Gun Violence - anything but gun control
      9/11 launched from Afghanistan - Invade Iraq
      Global Warming - Yay! More plants, right?
      and, of course: High Unemployment - Lay off government workers

  3. Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's interesting that the airlines are allowing customers to make changes to their itineraries at no charge to work around the problem. On the one hand this is good customer service, but on the other hand it would probably help the airlines to some degree if they instead said "Flight's cancelled. Don't like it? Call your congressman." As long as the airlines continue to accommodate those inconvenienced, then those truly responsible for this mess don't get blamed.

    1. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because being able to use this as a scapegoat to cut some flights and fill other flights up like cattle cars isn't profitable for the airlines. All the while the passengers are grateful just to get where they're going in this time of "crisis."
       
      Fuck, you've been fooled.

    2. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I agree.
      The airlines should say 'call you congressman'.
      Just like teacher shouldn't use their own money for supplies, not should parent donate critical supplies.
      It hides the problem until its so bad there isn't anything to do about it.

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    3. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the airlines could raise ticket prices and pay for the services they're using.

      I don't fly. Why the fuck should I be forced at gunpoint to pay for some rich asshole to be able to fly around the country? Airport costs should be paid entirely out of ticket sales and associated fees for services, NOT tax money.

    4. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by sribe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Airport costs should be paid entirely out of ticket sales and associated fees for services, NOT tax money.

      They're paid out of taxes on plane tickets.

    5. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Aren’t ATC services paid for by aviation charges? If not, they probably should be.

    6. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      No, ATC services are paid from the Department of Transportation general fund, authorized by the US House budget, and allocated by the US Senate budget (when they bother to pass one, lately we've been using the last passed budget plus automatic increases....).

      A very large chunk of the FAA is offset by the gasoline (100LL and JetA) taxes around $0.20 per gallon (although jet fuel used on commercial aircraft is usually measured in LBS [1 gallon of JetA =~ 6.79lbs] a 737 may use up to 20,000lbs per hour depending on flight phase) which goes to the FAA general fund and also to the Aviation Trust Fund, an mythical entity pushed by the General Aviation caucus to prevent raids on the money to be used for airport improvement (physical assets).

      Currently there are no "per-segment" Air Traffic Control fees, and hopefully there never will be, to understand this issue in depth there are competing sides, I prefer the AOPA's briefing available at: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/userfees.html

    7. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are, to a large extent, though we're not quite to Europe's approach of reducing safety by penalizing (billing) the use of safety services.

    8. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by bentit · · Score: 1

      The pilot of the plane delayed for 4 hours I was on did. He said "I was given 3 or 4 reasons why this flight has been delayed and none of them make any sense." He went on to say it smelled like it was related to the budget--just shy of saying someone was creating an artificial crisis. Surprising, but he sounded pretty pissed off.

    9. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Oh okay. Many countries fund their ATC services almost entirely from AvCharges. If you have a pacific island with a chunk of air space which you can clear aircraft through, you are rolling in money. North Korea should take note of this. They are on a trajectory between the US and China and they have no enroute ATC system.

    10. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, you also don't drive, and would prefer that your tax dollars not be spent on things like traffic signals.

    11. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Congressmen don't fly commercial, they fly military. Probably be a damned sight cheaper for them to fly commercial first class, but then they'd have to mingle with their constituents (my experience, first class is mostly salesmen and contractors who fly several times a week on business getting free upgrades or professionals on vacation paying for the convenience).

    12. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      The problem is, apparently the taxes on my plane tickets are paying for the Armed Forces and who knows what else. In reality the price of my air fare should cover the idiotic cost of the TSA as well as the Air Traffic Controllers. Money for those programs should come from anywhere else. The taxes should also be high enough to pay for the TSA and the Air Traffic Controllers in full, plus pay for some SMALL portion of the US government (because the airports don't exist in a vacuum)
      Instead that money goes into a big huge barrel, and some of it is doled back to the airports.

    13. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congressmen fly commercial all the time. What are you smoking?

    14. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      Congressmen don't fly commercial, they fly military.

      Please cite a source for this risible bit of adhomenim. There has been a regular ongoing MASSIVE case of the vapors over the former Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi) having used a US AirForce asset to travel between DC and SFO semi regularly. And you may have noticed in the past few years (if you live in a base-rich area like I do) a lot of military in-uniform traveling commercial. The DOD has pretty much ended the old airlift command where you and your dependents could go anywhere there was an army or air-force base by standing on the tarmac duffel in hand waiting for an open seat.

      I also defy you to show me a picture of ANY US Congressman or woman flying in a C-17 or C-140 grunt style - come to Colorado Springs and take a peek inside one of those aircraft during our irregular air shows - these real working aircraft have a canvas bench down one side and up the other, and foldable canvas benches for extra seating if packed to the gills. No overhead reading lights, no in-flight entertainment, and no way to hear your neighbor speaking due to a nearly 100% absence of sound-reducing insulation (and thermal insulation for that matter) - flight in a Airlift aircraft is cold, noisy and dark. At least you dont have to worry about hearing someone snore, you'll be deaf by the end of the flight if you dont wear earplugs!

    15. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      They do too have an ATC system - although theirs is a bit more, punitive than ours, consisting mostly of SAMs. I've never been shot at by ATC for failing to immediately heed instructions...

    16. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      This is partially correct, while paid from the same US Treasury, the DoD and the DoT have fully separate budgets, passed in separate legislation on some irregular basis whenever 535 partisan hacks can stop attacking each other long enough to engage in selfish porkbarrel gluttony...

    17. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      But not for overflights. I heard about this in relation to the 2008 Olympics where airlines were willing to pay for a system to give to NK, so they could safe fuel by using cheaper trajectories.

    18. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In reality the price of my air fare should cover the idiotic cost of the TSA as well as the Air Traffic Controllers.

      If our society were reality-based we wouldn't even have a TSA.

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    19. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by wganz · · Score: 1

      And no one is saying that sequestration was originally Obama's idea.

    20. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Why do I have a feeling that the planes leaving Reagan National, a short car drive from the offices of the Congress critters that voted for this piece of shit, aren't experiencing nearly the delays of other airports?

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    21. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Please cite a source for this risible bit of adhomenim.

      Ad hominem, but OK.

      There has been a regular ongoing MASSIVE case of the vapors over the former Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi) having used a US AirForce asset to travel between DC and SFO semi regularly.

      Which is to say, a Congresswoman flying military, not commercial.

    22. Re:Damned if they do, damned if they don't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi. I'd like to introduce you to landing fees

  4. The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the government stopped trying to control air traffic, we wouldn't have these delays. Sure, some airplanes would crash, but other flights would go much faster. Let the free market rule!

    1. Re:The government's fault by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      sad thing is you are moded funny

      I know many people who fly small planes, I have flown small planes. to put it simply, the government, while helping with some things, is hurting others.

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    2. Re:The government's fault by ThePeices · · Score: 1

      Sad thing is you imply your willingness for planes to crash to make it easier on everyone.

    3. Re:The government's fault by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

      sad thing is you are moded funny

        I know many people who fly small planes, I have flown small planes. to put it simply, the government, while helping with some things, is hurting others.

      I hear things are a lot better in Somalia, where there's no government to spoil everything.

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    4. Re:The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sad thing is you are moded funny

        I know many people who fly small planes, I have flown small planes. to put it simply, the government, while helping with some things, is hurting others.

      I hear things are a lot better in Somalia, where there's no government to spoil everything.

      And if you love the government controlling everything so much so much you should move to North Korea.

    5. Re:The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear there are a lot of people who don't know the difference between libertarianism and anarchism.

    6. Re:The government's fault by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      Many self-labeled libertarians are among them.

    7. Re:The government's fault by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      You should lay off the ganja at least 8 hours before flying (as is the FAA requirement).

      If indeed you have actually flown small planes and you don't care about ATC, you've therefore never flown under anything other than VFR - or even out of a towered airfield. The idea of any sort of routine commercial flight happening only in VMC is laughable at best. And without ATC to provide separation, planes would crash all the time. It's such a vital service that there's a reason the government in almost every country does it - either directly via a government agency like the FAA, or indirectly via a company they own or control. It's not something that can be subject to a profit motive.

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    8. Re:The government's fault by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      there is government in somalia.
      it lives next door and wields an ak-47 and is a batshit insane old man.

      there's some useful side to government being a thousand miles away...

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    9. Re:The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let the free market rule!

      Ticket prices have decreased because of the free market. Good.

      Flight crew wages have decreased because of the free market. Bad.

    10. Re:The government's fault by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      everyone missed my point

      I was saying the FAA in general is one of the better federal regulation bodies. its the many others I was disagreeing with. My Apologies if i was not clear

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    11. Re:The government's fault by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      I hear things are a lot better in Somalia, where there's no government to spoil everything.

      Ironically, things did get better in Somalia after their central government collapsed, by essentially every metric but the literacy rate. I'm not saying that it's someplace I'd care to live—mostly for cultural reasons—but the absence of a central government is not the cause of their problems. "Anarchy" (actually just decentralized government, but it's a start) is an improvement over what they had before.

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    12. Re:The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sure, some airplanes would crash,

      That is doubtful. There is the well reasoned minority opinion that if everybody was just flying randomly, we would have fewer close encounters in the air than now, where all aircraft are crowded into narrow corridors. The maths are quite sound. Of course airports and their surroundings have to be separated out, because they are natural points of contention.

    13. Re:The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear things are a lot better in Somalia, where there's no government to spoil everything.

      Who needs governments to spoil things when there are jackasses like you around?

    14. Re:The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between diarrhea and a pile of stinky shit, but the former leads inevitably to the latter. Libertarianism and anarchy are in a similar relationship.

    15. Re:The government's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making that distinction is rarely relevant when
      libertarianism = an ideology
      anarchy = the consequence of following that ideology

    16. Re:The government's fault by zyzko · · Score: 1

      First: I do agree. We need ATC to provide separation. But also the separation rules and inefficiencies in air traffic co-operation are the biggest delay (and fuel consumption) factors today. Ironically, USA with FAA and same administration over the whole country is doing better than Europe which has a different ATC authority (state operated or company owned / contracted by state) in every country because states like to be sovereign in that matter.

      There also can be VFR commercial flight, in a municipality airport I did parachuting more than often on a good parachuting day (obviously parachuting is not done in IMC) the ATC would ask the arriving commercial plane if they would accept a visual approach and so they did not have to clear our ascending jump plane completely out of the IFR sector. Most of the time the pilot happily accepted the change to visual (yes, they obviously had IFR plans and VFR only would never be an option, but just presenting a slight differentation from "IFR only" here...).

  5. Sequestration is what the pubs want by geekoid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    they have been trying to 'choke the beast' at any cost since Reagan.

    they've turning into bunch of hateful nothing thinking loons.

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    1. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the obama admin?

      the admin who wont call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack simply because it goes against his political agenda?

      the fact that you think obama is different than bush or regan says more than anything

    2. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by GiganticLyingMouth · · Score: 4, Informative

      the admin who wont call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack simply because it goes against his political agenda?

      You are likely referring to the Boston bombings; as I understood it, Obama didn't use the term "terrorist" specifically ON the day of the bombings, and has ever after. I'd say this is simply him doing his due-diligence in not jumping to conclusions, as at the time no one knew if the explosions weren't simply a gas line exploding. If anything I'd want more of politicians and news stations taking a deliberate and thorough approach to things, rather than going all reddit on us and pointing fingers and making sensationalist claims. Each to their own eh?

    3. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Sequestration is what the pubs want

      Who? How sad... did the truck fail this year again mate?

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    4. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's along those lines, yeah, though I think the strategy is morphing a bit.

      That term, "starve the beast", is associated with Grover Norquist's idea that if Republicans managed to hold a hard line on taxes, by pushing for tax cuts and demanding party discipline over refusing any tax rises, it would starve the government of money, and it would be forced to shrink, even if people didn't want to vote for program cuts.

      He underestimated the government's ability to borrow, however, so what actually happened for quite some time was that taxes were cut while spending simultaneously rose. That backfired by actually increasing the popularity of many government programs for two decades or so. People got the programs and low taxes, which is what everyone wants! A number of GOP types are still trying to make that strategy work; the manufactured fights over the debt ceiling, and the sequester here, are an attempt to "starve the beast".

      However not all GOPers think that's a good strategy anymore. The new twist over the past few years is trying to reduce confidence in government by deliberately running it badly. The idea is that people will vote for a smaller government if they think government doesn't work well, and the best way to make them think government doesn't work well is to make it not work well.

    5. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Microlith · · Score: 1

      the admin who wont call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack simply because it goes against his political agenda?

      Wait, what's his political agenda? And why would him not calling it the obvious mean a damn thing?

    6. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, because the idea that "there is not infinite money" makes me a hateful nothing thinking loons. I'm sure you will be +5 insightful for your brilliance in stating that there is, in fact, infinite money, and so even a 2% reduction in the rate of budget growth (it's not a cut when it's more money than last year) can only be an act of purest evil. Naturally.

      And the fact that we're already in debt by over $148,000 per taxpayer? Duh, only a hateful nothing thinking loon would think it ever going to be a problem paying that back - why I'm sure everyone reading this post could donate $148,000 right now, and clear that right up!

      And the fact that the unfunded entitlement liabilities exceed all the wealth in the entire US combined? Hey, no problem - we'll just seize all assets in America, make half the payments, then seize all the money again and pay people the rest! I can see no flaw in that plan.

      [citation for number in sig]

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    7. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the fact that the unfunded entitlement liabilities exceed all the wealth in the entire US combined?

      The US debt does not have to be repaid by the current US wealth, it has to be repaid by the future US wealth (err... well, not exactly, the US just as to, on average over time, maintain enough economic growth, actually repaying a national debt in full doesn't make any sense). Taking on debt is essentially a bet in favor of future economic growth.

    8. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      While we're on that inflammatory topic, how come some of the politicians who were the most adamantly against background checks for gun buyers, since it would infringe on their privacy, are now calling for profiling all the Muslim men in the country?

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    9. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      the admin who wont call a terrorist attack a terrorist attack simply because it goes against his political agenda?

      Wait, what's his political agenda? And why would him not calling it the obvious mean a damn thing?

      Because Bush Kept Us Safe^{tm},and Obama doesn't want to admit that a terist got through on his watch.

      Let's make this real clear: /s

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    10. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      video
      Back when running for office he made the claim that Al Qaeda was almost defeated and on the run. Since they they took over 100 hostages in an oil field and killed 4 US citizens in Bengazi at an American consulate. None of his people have answered Congress' questions about the attack on Bengazi, but Hillary Clinton did give her Oscar performance "What difference does it make?"

      The point being, if Al Qaeda is making a comeback and killing US people, then he lied. Also it shows his state department is incompetent at protecting their people and his intelligence agencies are complete failures at accessing threats. Every terrorist attack, espeically on US soil, is another complete failure in his cap. If the Boston bombings were coordinated by Al Qaeda he will have become the embodiment of failure that makes Carter look like a Middle East genius.

      That is why he cannot call anything a terrorist attack and the media will do everything they can to help him cover it up by telling you over and over that the two guys worked alone and were not influenced.

      I'm only answering because you asked a direct question, seemed to not understand why it was important, and wanted to know.

    11. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey idiot. Keep spamming.

    12. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      ... as long as someone will loan you money.

    13. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." -Dick Cheney

    14. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by thoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well yes it does make you a hate non thinking loon. If the debt were so important, where the FUCK were you before we invaded Iraq? Or passed Medicare Schedule D, otherwise known as that massive giveaway to big pharma?

      Why it is republicans are only concerned about the debt when democrats are in charge? When the GOP is in charge, you get massive bloat and spending.

    15. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the past year...that someone has been the next generation. The Federal Reserve Bank has been buying most of the Debt issues and congress did fun things like for all government programs, Post Office, Federal Workers Pensions, Social Security to only be able to purchase US Treasuries (I.e. US Debt) and the fun recent change at the post office of requiring a 75 year prepay on all pensions for all employees current and future. The beast of debt is dying. Eventually interest debt will have to tripple to just over 1%....yes tripple to just over 1%. When that happens is when the fit will hit the shan.

    16. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Where'd you copy and paste that from?

    17. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the "/s". I really had no idea.

    18. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Bush Kept Us Safe^{tm},and Obama doesn't want to admit that a terist got through on his watch.

      Let's make this real clear: /s

      Bush kept us safe? Sure, except for the Anthrax thing. And the DC snipers. And the grenade attacks on domestic bases. And the LA El Al ticket counter gunfight. Or the SUV deliberately crashed by jihadist into a UNC crowd, or... wait, what were we saying Bush kept us safe from?

    19. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand macroeconomics or fiat currency. Please stop posting.

      You also apparently don't realize that the "debt" is mostly owed to ourselves.

      The national debt is only a big deal to people who are economically illiterate

    20. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think back a little further... like when the blame was placed on a film maker making offensive movies rather than on the actual bad guys. Not everyone is so quick to forget as you, but, each to their own, eh?

    21. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me put it another way. There's nothing wrong with your math. The problem is being deluded into thinking that the Republicans have any interest in actually implementing something that would fix the math, given that they've had multiple chances since the 1980s to do so, and all they did was cause the budget to grow even faster than it was before. I don't know why anyone would trust them to solve the problem if they were given the power to do something now, because they didn't before. They avidly made it much worse.

      A rational person would admit that $148k/person was a heck of a lot of debt, would come up with a plan to draw it down by some combination of spending cuts *and* increased taxes on the people who could afford to pay more without starving. But no, the idea of any tax increase at all, even on the people who have benefited the most from economic growth in the last 3 decades, is philosophically unpalatable. Heck, they'll complain even if people are only talking about restoring the tax levels that *used*to* exist before the US budget took such a wild turn for the worse while under *their* watch.

      I'm all for cuts. It has to be done. But the stupid and indiscriminate way that sequestration cuts are implemented was supposed to motivate both sides to come up with more rational approaches to cutting (and possibly revenue increase, at least to the level it once was). It hasn't succeeded. And while that's a profound failure on both sides, I think one side is quite happy to see the government fail as a result, because it fits their philosophy. It gives them something to rage about for next election, and how if only people would give them control of government, they'd get the job done. To which I say: what the hell were you doing the last time you were in power? If recent history is any guide, Republicans have a very poor record at controlling budgets, and we even had a VP that claimed "deficits don't matter" at the time.

      So, I'm not denying the problem, or that the ultimate solution is cuts. And both main parties share the blame for creating it. But I wouldn't trust the Republicans for a second to solve the problem. They can't seem to make the mental connection between what they want (smaller government) and what it would take to get there eventually (cuts *and* restoration of tax rates to what they were, at least until the debt is paid down more, then you get tax cuts). That does make them loony. Because all they really seem interested in doing is undermining government's ability to function at all.

    22. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this, gentlemen, is the textbook definition of George Orwell's doublethink.

    23. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by lgw · · Score: 1

      Where was I? Complaining about the cost of each of those! Where were you? Why do you think I'm a republican?

      We as a nation seriously need to stop with this fucking red team / blue team bullshit, and look and the math of the budget. I don't want to hear either side's vapid talking points - I want to have some hope that my grandkids will have some sort of functioning government!

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    24. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if we get a few more sequestrations on top of the current one, maybe we are going to be making progress on the budget. I'm all for it.

    25. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Actually he is probably referring to the Fort Hood shootings of which it can legitimately be argued were not a terrorist attack. However, if they are not a terrorist attack, they are an act of war, not a case of "work place violence" as the Administration is calling it.

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    26. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Undoubtedly they're still talking about benghazi. the right never got over that, and they spent so much time talking about it they whipped themselves up into a frenzy so intense even Mitt Romney believed he had omitted the condemnation of terror. That's the lesson the 'party of stupid' is having the most trouble swallowing.

    27. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine, I'll say it: Because gun owners are patriotic white Americans and Muslims are brown, freedom-hating terrorists.
      Not everyone thinks this way, but enough of them do to significantly distort logical thinking.

    28. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Haha, you think government ever worked well?

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    29. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it worked pretty well. You know what I did when the GOP assholes started to ruin the U.S. government? I moved to Denmark. Government is twice as big here if you measure it in percentage of GDP, and it works great.

      We have an autonomously operated, driverless metro system that runs 24/7. Universal healthcare. Free university. Shit, not only free, you get paid to go to college. Unemployment insurance will cover you for up to 2 years between jobs, and is actually useful in helping you find a new one. The minimum wage is $20/hr.

      You losers left in the race-to-the-bottom USA don't know how shit you have it.

    30. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      This is the strategy that was implemented in Mexico with catastrophic success. Who wants to move here?

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    31. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Tell me about individual liberty and codified rights. Tell me what percentage of your income goes to the government. Tell me which choices you're allowed to make and which are made for you. I really don't know much about Denmark.

      Hey, I'm not saying the USA is perfect; I'm not saying there aren't some nations that do some things better. But for all the benefits you listed, you pay a price that's not only monetary. If you prefer it, good for you.

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    32. Re:Sequestration is what the pubs want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot,
      Why would you assume that someone who is worried about the debt would have supported Iraq, Medicare part D, the banks bailout or any of that crap?
      Indeed why would you suppose that someone would support the Republicans, in any more than a transitory manner, when they want the cut spending and limit taxes, but continue to support them when they want to raise spending? Not everyone is a party hack. Some people actually follow the issues and support the group working at this time on specific issues and support someone else at other times.

  6. Some math ... by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If 10% of workers are furloughed for 2 days a month, that works out to a workforce reduction of about 1% (figure 20 working days a month, 2/20 * 0.10 = 0.01). Somehow I don't think that staffing at the FAA is that close to the limit; these delays are probably affected more by the elimination of overtime. A huge proportion of the hours worked at federal agencies are billed as overtime, either because of short staffing or really lenient scheduling policies that allow workers to trade shifts to maximize income.

    I feel like there was probably a way to absorb the cuts with less impact, but when you have tens of thousands of voters a day at your mercy, why not try and get that budget plumped?

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    1. Re:Some math ... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      FAA is 24/7 not 20 days a month.

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    2. Re:Some math ... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      A huge proportion of the hours worked at federal agencies are billed as overtime, either because of short staffing or really lenient scheduling policies that allow workers to trade shifts to maximize income.

      If you make a statement like that, perhaps you can show a reference that backs it up?

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    3. Re:Some math ... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the math does not back the claim simple as that. They are simply using this as an excuse to pull the american strings tighter than they already are

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    4. Re:Some math ... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Which would make GP's 1% more like 0.7%...

      Your point was?

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    5. Re:Some math ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ALL of the workers are furloughed for 1 day of each pay period (10 workdays). That is a 10% reduction of the workforce. As to the ridiculous assertion that "A huge proportion of the hours worked at federal agencies are billed as overtime", please cite your sources. In one sentence, you say you don't think FAA staffing is that close to the limit but in the next you talk about short staffing. Doesn't make much sense.

    6. Re:Some math ... by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1

      The summary is wrong. All workers are furloughed 10% of their time, which is 1 day per 2-week pay period, ie: ~2 days a month.

      Also, the FAA doesn't pay overtime. Pretty much all their employees are exempt, and/or salaried.

      Did you read the bill, by the way? Every program, every account was cut by 10%. There was no way to "absorb the cuts with less impact". The budget for labor hours was cut by 10%. That means you can pay 10% less labor hours.

      Source: I'm a contractor who works for the FAA in R&D.

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    7. Re:Some math ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Each worker does not work the full 24/7. And, as a sibling mentioned, this really only makes GP's point stronger. What was your point?

    8. Re:Some math ... by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind the FAA has a very large number of duties well beyond the ATC system, they publish charts which are updated every 28 days in some cases, provide the licensing process for pilots and mechanics, write rules for operations and operators, license air carriers and charter operators, certify aircraft and aircraft components, provide a nationwide staff of mechanical work inspectors responsible for checking on safety, AND provide a number of ATC controllers at airports, TRACONs and national traffic control centers. It's probably a combination of both the work rules reducing or eliminating overtime and the furlough of staffs that work 3 shifts a day, 365.25 days a year. ATC controllers are not fungable - an airport tower controller cannot simply walk down the street from DIA airport to the Longmont TRACON and help relieve the staffing, nor can a CENTER controller work in the national traffic-control facility, these jobs are unbelievably different and extremely sensitive to each-other working correctly.

      If a Falcon jet on short final at Centennial has to slow down due to minimum separation, the aircraft behind does too, and an aircraft being controlled by Denver Center might not be able to transition from the sector controller to the airport, and another aircraft in a holding pattern over Kansas might not be able to get into the Denver Class B, which might affect a departure from a different airport that was supposed to go to that controller, and so on and so forth sloshing around the ATC system, delaying planes and increasing the workload of each controller until they hit saturation. This is why ATC is designed in an overlapping manner to try to put a buffer in the capacity, but this only works when the number of controllers is "optimum".

      In addition, ATC is at an all time maximum stress due to the number of controllers at or near retirement age. Remember the PATCO strike in the 80s - Regan fired them all. The replacement controllers are now all reaching mandatory retirement ages, and training has NOT kept up. Largely due to a series of administrations from Clinton to Bush 43 and now Obama refusing to use "scarce" funds from other priorities (like NASA outreach to the muslim world???!!!!) to fund a program of recruitment and training for ATC. The result is that the FAA is both seeing a crisis of low staffing, high utilization (thank you anemic recovery from 9/11) and a desire not to let this crisis go to waste. While I am inclined to blame Obama, I'm sure there are plenty of FAA mid-level bureaucrats who have been screaming for years for help in ATC recruiting who see the sequester as the perfect time to get them some sweet sweet Congressionally directed monies on an "emergency" basis, the same way the Hurricane Sandy relief bill got porked up.

    9. Re:Some math ... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      And you typically work 24/7 at your job? Wow, you are hard core, dude.

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    10. Re:Some math ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why can't that be done by the private sector?

    11. Re:Some math ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your math is wrong. The entire workforce, with few exceptions, is being furloughed 10% through the end of the fiscal year. Not 10% of workers for 2 days a month. 10% of time is roughly two days per month for basically 100% of workers.

      It's a workforce reduction of about 10% for about half of the year, or about 5% for the year. There aren't many FAA employees who qualify for overtime pay in the first place, so that proposition is right out.

      The sequester was designed to do exactly this. There was a plan to lessen the impact on employees, but it was never approved.

  7. They still charge the same taxes and fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is federal tax on aviation fuel, plus
    there is 7.5% tax on all domestic air fares, plus
    there is a Domestic segment fee of $3.90, plus
    there is a Homeland Security fee of $2.50, plus
    there are landing and take off fees for the airplane.

    There are even more fees if you travel internationally, or to Hawaii.

    These fees to the PUBLIC have not gone down, Just the service that the government provides.

  8. Amazing by Bodhammer · · Score: 1

    A 4% cut in spending causes 40% flight delays...

    Buffoons...

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    1. Re:Amazing by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's actually not uncommon in systems with little buffer. If a highway is right near a critical point of congestion, 4% more traffic can result in 40% longer commutes.

    2. Re:Amazing by gander666 · · Score: 1

      Yep, the good ol' Burger Equation. Where I learned about Shock Wave solutions to nonlinear diffy eq's

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    3. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 4% cut in spending causes 40% flight delays...

      Buffoons...

      ...says the buffoon who assumes some of this "loss" wasn't manufactured.

      One isn't going to get the attention you want or need by minimizing the impact of sequestration. Wake up.

    4. Re:Amazing by Bodhammer · · Score: 1

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323735604578440981119902460.html
      Our government is broken and dysfunctional. I wonder how bad it will get before it gets better?

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  9. Get the facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before you go blame the administration for ensuring the cuts went to essential services instead of extraneous expenses, read this.

    1. Re:Get the facts by ohieaux · · Score: 0

      Wow, the Washington Post sides with the administration. That clinches the argument for me. This must be the least impact way to cut the FAA budget.

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    2. Re:Get the facts by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      What no one has explained yet:

      Even after the Sequester, they still have more money than last year, to do the same job. Why are the wheels coming off this year, when everything was perfectly fine last year?

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    3. Re:Get the facts by eriqk · · Score: 1

      Wow, the Washington Post sides with the administration. That clinches the argument for me. This must be the least impact way to cut the FAA budget.

      Way to poison the well, kid.

  10. Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Shouldn't this just be added to your ticket price? I don't see why the Federal government should be paying anything to keep local airports open.

    1. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by Microlith · · Score: 1

      The FAA is part of the Federal Government, and it is tasked with managing the airspace above the United States, as well as implement and enforce air travel standards. As such, Air Traffic Controllers are employees of the FAA.

    2. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      The EPA is tasked with managing the air quality of the entire nation, and yet they don't own all the smokestacks, or pay for all the pollution control equipment and personnel monitoring air quality at factories.

    3. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Except that EPA inspectors aren't employed by the corporations they monitor, and for good reason. The last thing we need are airline-specific ATC whose primary responsibility is getting as many planes out as possible as quickly as possible, and not doing so as safely as possible.

    4. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of all environmental compliance work is done by the polluters themselves. Inspectors just (sometimes) check over their work. Also, preventing crashes is already a serious priority for airlines (for reasons which should be obvious). They already employ the pilots and the maintenance crews, and those people have just as much responsibility preventing crashes as air traffic controllers. Even if I can't convince you that the people using airports should be the ones paying for them, you should still be able to see that the federal government should not be paying for it.

    5. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but there is no reason they couldn't be funded by user fees. Just charge a fee for every flight and all budget issues go away entirely. More flights = more fees, and thus more resources to handle those flights.

      That's why you don't hear about companies complaining that they can't cope with so many customers and therefore they'll be closing their stores one day a week.

    6. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      TLDR answer: because its the law (both natural and law of man) you gobbering fool!

      Real answer:
      It is added to your ticket price in a number of ways, but I believe the point you are making is that the user of the system should carry the cost. The fallacy here is that the user (the airplane passenger) is only using the airport he leaves from and the one he lands at.

      There are several thousand public-use airports around the country (and regretfully an ever shrinking number!), and every single one contributes to the efficiency of the air-transport system even if you never set foot on one. Most are considered "reliever" facilities for metropolitan areas. For example Denver has DIA (the main public airport) and seven major satellite designated reliever facilities: Loveland-Fort Collins, Boulder Municipal, Jefferson County Regional (Rocky Mountain Metropolitan), Front Range Airport, and Centennial Airport. The latter three are the largest and most used, with Front Range servicing some amount of freight traffic as spillover to DIA (and they are in spitting distance of each-other), with JeffCo and Centennial handling a huge volume of private and government aviation traffic. By merely existing these airports take the burden off DIA and ensure that you are not sitting fuming in your 737 Southwest discount fare seat while a "puny" King Air turboprop mozies around the taxiway in front of you. That King Air is a medical relief flight carrying a heart transplant, or a Colorado state official traveling to La Hunta to assist with a hantavirus outbreak, or a business man flying to Goodland Kansas to audit his franchises and ensure payroll is made on-time or work with local officials on safety for a new fertilizer plant. Every single one of these flights has a reason and an economic advantage for the economy, and contributes in many ways.

      Its a good thing these airports contribute to the economy, because a typical airline flight from say, DIA (Denver) to SAN (San Diego) operated by a licensed US air carrier interacts with a wide range of law mandated services operated by the FAA. First, before the flight even begins the airline works with the FAA traffic control system to obtain takeoff and landing slots (due the laws of physics, its a bad idea for more than one aircraft to occupy the same physical space at one time). At the departure airport the pilot uses a Flight Service Station to get weather briefing and file a mandatory flight-plan (route, time, aircraft type, souls on board...), at the gate the pilot has to talk to airport ground control (an FAA managed function) to get clearance to move away from the terminal and taxi to the departure runway. If the weather is cold and precip is expected, de-icing (overseen by the FAA, delivered by the airport) is needed. The ground controller hands the pilot off to the departure controller when the taxi is complete, and the departure controller checks with the rest of the ATC system before allowing the plane to takeoff to make sure there is a slot for the plane in the wider system.

      Once approved the departure controller safely directs the plane away from the airport environment (avoiding any unexpected same-space issues with incoming aircraft) and then hands the pilot off to an en-route controller, usually the first stage is a Class B area controller for DIA, then a TRACON controller for the sectors between DIA and SAN along the route, sectors have controllers assigned to different blocks of altitudes, and aircraft and separated with incoming and outgoing and through traffic routed to different corridors and different altitudes to avoid that nasty little unexpected intersection.

      At the receiving end, a traffic control office has reviewed all incoming and outgoing traffic, at a local, regional, national and even international level to ensure there are not more aircraft slated to reach the incoming corridor to SAN, sometimes this look can even be needed before the DIA aircraft has even landed from it's last flight incoming from somewhere else like ORD.

    7. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      Please provide the math to back this assertion up. I'll provide three counter examples.

      Currently all aviation users who purchase aviation fuels pay fuel taxes per-gallon, more flights = more gallons = more tax money. Strike one.

      So you want to tax aviation more than it already is? Remember the old rule, subsidize what you want more of, tax what you want less. Strike two.

      Many nations other than the US have "fee based ATC". The only way to collect these fees is to structure your entire aviation system, from airport to navigation, to pilot training, to aircraft registration around fee collection. Note, all such nations have seen a dramatic DECREASE in the number of airports, and the number of users of these systems, even commercial operators use less of the ATC system by flying larger planes less frequently in order to maximize the number of flight-miles per ATC fee. Strike three.

      Also note - that last item is actually the reason many nations in the world sends a large number of students to the US for primary and secondary flight training - we have the most options for them to train, and the best instructors - because they are busy enough to learn the fundamentals well and get to practice them. Fee based nations experience a drought of trained pilots to enter their commercial airlines, and even the US with the most open and inviting aviation system is seeing a strain with the already high cost of flying increasing beyond the means of the average citizen.

      Adding more taxes and more fees will only serve to further distance aviation from access to the average American as it has done to the UK and much of europe. Try to find a sorghum farmer with his own airplane in the UK. Compare that to an alfalfa farmer from Kansas - he's not rich but he lives 200 miles from the nearest "metropolis" but 10 miles from a rural airport. If he wants to take his Piper Cherokee from Kansas to Colorado to watch the football game, he can in an hour, that same drive by car would take 6, 8 or 10 hours. Your inconvenience right now due to sequester is NOT a good reason to disenfranchise an ever growing portion of the population the right to affordable transportation, whatever the means.

    8. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      You have only explained the need for Federal oversight (and given an unnecessary explanation of the duties of air traffic controllers). You have failed to explain why this job can not be paid for by fees rather than taxes, which is all I was asking.

      It's bullshit to say "we can't afford it so we're going to delay a bunch of flights." Airlines already have to pay fees to use airports, so of course they can pay for air traffic controllers as well. This is just a show the federal government is putting on because the want to show how "essential" all the things they do are.

    9. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      You are correct - it is in fact a load of bovine excrement. To avoid multiple posts of the same information you'll have to look farther up for more information on how funding works and why the logical induction that follows this service as properly a federal government service is already being paid from fees that come from the users of the service.

    10. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Please provide the math to back this assertion up. I'll provide three counter examples.

      You basically already provided the "math" - they aren't counter-examples at all.

      Currently all aviation users who purchase aviation fuels pay fuel taxes per-gallon, more flights = more gallons = more tax money. Strike one....So you want to tax aviation more than it already is? Remember the old rule, subsidize what you want more of, tax what you want less. Strike two.

      I realize that aviation fuel is taxed. I do advocate that these taxes be increased so that the necessary regulatory oversight can be self-funding. I fully agree that this is likely to result in less planes in the air.

      What's the problem with that? Why do we need to subsidize people flying around?

      Many nations other than the US have "fee based ATC". The only way to collect these fees is to structure your entire aviation system, from airport to navigation, to pilot training, to aircraft registration around fee collection. Note, all such nations have seen a dramatic DECREASE in the number of airports, and the number of users of these systems, even commercial operators use less of the ATC system by flying larger planes less frequently in order to maximize the number of flight-miles per ATC fee. Strike three.

      That is exactly how the US should operate. Again, what is wrong with having larger planes less frequently? We need empty planes flying around overhead about as much as we need empty trains driving across the country or empty busses driving around the city.

      Also note - that last item is actually the reason many nations in the world sends a large number of students to the US for primary and secondary flight training - we have the most options for them to train, and the best instructors - because they are busy enough to learn the fundamentals well and get to practice them. Fee based nations experience a drought of trained pilots to enter their commercial airlines,

      Great, so the US is subsidizing flight training for the world's pilots. Not sure how that helps the average US citizen.

      and even the US with the most open and inviting aviation system is seeing a strain with the already high cost of flying increasing beyond the means of the average citizen...Adding more taxes and more fees will only serve to further distance aviation from access to the average American as it has done to the UK and much of europe....Your inconvenience right now due to sequester is NOT a good reason to disenfranchise an ever growing portion of the population the right to affordable transportation, whatever the means.

      If you want to help poor people just give them a decent income and they'll be able to afford tickets, assuming they have anywhere to go. Using taxes to make it easier to fly a single-passenger flight to catch a football game 100 miles away isn't the most effective use of resources. I doubt the average poor person is going to be able to afford a Piper Cherokee, either - certainly not for less than the cost of an airline ticket. Just properly maintaining an aircraft will likely cost you at least a few tickets a year if you're doing half the work yourself.

      Hey, I love aviation in general, and would love to have the money to get a private pilot license and instrument rating. From time to time I spend hours flying around in simulators and have entertained trying to build a half-decent one. However, that is a personal hobby, and I can't really see forcing others to pay to make this possible.

    11. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Do you have ANY IDEA how much an airline ticket from one little town to another would cost? Giving poor people free money is no subsitute for not ruining what remains of general aviation in the USA.

    12. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that any of this would ruin general aviation. Just charge a fuel tax. Jets burn tens of thousands of pounds of fuel, and they're 95% of the air traffic that consumes a lot of ATC services, so the tax per pound of fuel would be scaled for that kind of consumption. If you're just buzzing around VFR in your Cherokee I doubt that this will have much impact on your costs, certainly not compared to maintenance/etc.

      Unless you're a pilot and happen to own a plane and don't count in the cost of that plane, flying from small town to small town is already prohibitively expensive. Most people have to get themselves to at least a minor city to catch a flight, and it won't be direct unless one of the endpoints is a major city or the route is really popular.

    13. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I am a pilot and I *do pay tax* every time I buy gas. We are ALREADY DOING THIS. Every time the "charge per flight, charge to take off, charge to land, charge to get a weather briefing, charge per mile, etc etc" crowd gets worked up, we (collectively through our GA lobby) point out just raising the gas tax is vastly more efficient and won't require an entirely new bunch of employees that will ALSO need to be paid out of these fees. Also keep in mind the entire reason ATC exists is airplanes cannot see each other in bad weather. Pilots do NOT need ATC to get from point A to point B, they need ATC to keep from hitting other airplanes. So make it cost money to talk to ATC and pilots in marginal weather will think twice about it. Kind of like the government charging you $1 every time you look at a traffic light. Some people will be cheap and just not look. Much better to pay for traffic lights with a gas tax ;)

    14. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      I realize that aviation fuel is taxed. I do advocate that these taxes be increased so that the necessary regulatory oversight can be self-funding. I fully agree that this is likely to result in less planes in the air.

      What's the problem with that? Why do we need to subsidize people flying around?

      Who said anything about subsidizing them? If you are asserting that fuel taxes taken in by the US Treasury are less than the cost of ATC, prove it. My assertion is that fuel taxes already cover the operations of the necessary functions of the FAA which are specific to the plane operations, and the remainder of the money spent by the FAA is for net-goods that are consumed by everyone, including people on the ground, so there is no reason why the general tax funds should not be used in addition to the existing fuel taxes. On the other hand, if the aviation community were to agree to increase fuel taxes, then the fuel tax revenues should be locked off from the general fund, or else we end up just like the Social Security "Trust Fund" - getting raided to pay for studies of monkey erections, piss-christ "art" and bridges to no-where.

    15. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      I am a pilot and I *do pay tax* every time I buy gas. We are ALREADY DOING THIS. Every time the "charge per flight, charge to take off, charge to land, charge to get a weather briefing, charge per mile, etc etc" crowd gets worked up, we (collectively through our GA lobby) point out just raising the gas tax is vastly more efficient and won't require an entirely new bunch of employees that will ALSO need to be paid out of these fees.

      I know that fuel is already taxed. Raising that tax is exactly what I'm proposing - take the annual budget for all FAA services, divide it by the number of gallons of fuel sold for use in planes, and add that as a tax to fuel.

      The only change vs the current state is charging more per pound of fuel. As you've pointed out it also avoids any perverse incentives to go flying into clouds without filing IFR.

      If this is done, then there is no need to worry about sequesters/etc, because the FAA operations would be self-funding, and those who benefit from those operations would be paying for it.

    16. Re:Why is the Federal Government paying for this? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about subsidizing them? If you are asserting that fuel taxes taken in by the US Treasury are less than the cost of ATC, prove it. My assertion is that fuel taxes already cover the operations of the necessary functions of the FAA which are specific to the plane operations, and the remainder of the money spent by the FAA is for net-goods that are consumed by everyone, including people on the ground, so there is no reason why the general tax funds should not be used in addition to the existing fuel taxes.

      I'm saying that fuel taxes should be set at a level sufficient to pay for ATC. If they are, then great - and it makes no sense to shut down ATC services as a result. If they aren't then they should be raised. I do not know what the current rates are, but the fact that they were affected by the sequester tends to suggest they aren't self-funding. But, it could just be political games.

      On the other hand, if the aviation community were to agree to increase fuel taxes, then the fuel tax revenues should be locked off from the general fund, or else we end up just like the Social Security "Trust Fund" - getting raided to pay for studies of monkey erections, piss-christ "art" and bridges to no-where.

      Nobody is going to ask the aviation community to agree to anything. The cost of FAA services should be recovered in fuel taxes, and the aviation community has the choice to buy fuel or not. Nobody asks me whether I want to pay income taxes...

      As far as the social security trust fund goes - just what do you think should be done with it? Should we have a big room full of dollar bills somewhere waiting to catch on fire? Should we be borrowing money and paying interest on it when we have money just sitting around? How many wealthy people take out loans while sitting on piles of cash (neglecting perverse incentives like tax loopholes and the like)? If you have a surplus in one area of the budget it only makes sense to use it to plug a hole in another area of the budget.

      Besides - having all that money saved up in a room won't do a thing for the baby boomers when they all start collecting. If the economy is so upside-down that the government would actually be unable to pay their monthly social security checks then those checks would be worthless anyway as the demand for workers increases wages and the costs of living to the point where you wouldn't be able to live on your promised savings anyway. The only thing that makes social security work is a lot more people paying in than collecting - you can't save money for retirement on a national scale, because money has no inherent value. The people who are working are providing the services, and the only way to provide those services to people who aren't working is to tax them. Money that is stored away which later re-enters the economy on a large scale just devalues itself.

  11. Two separate fights by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are two fights here: The R and D are arguing over who's going to be correct, and they're using the usual dirt to try and make their points. The actual departments are attempting to secure the funding they want/need for the programs they run. They can always do "more" with more money. It's true of government just as it is with a business. I can always provide more, and more complete, and more personal service if you pay me more money. If you pay me less, I'm going to short you on certain items. I'll try to make them peripheral, but I guarantee if you stop paying my invoices I'm going to cut the flow to the high profile services first. Simple business.

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    1. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except you don't work for a business, you work for a government paid for by your fellow citizens. You have absolutely no moral right to sit by while the IRS takes a cut of everyone's check under threat of force and then pretend that you can be as capricious in your cuts as a private business that has to fight daily to exist. Cut your janitorial staff (they're almost certainly contractors, anyway) and make people take out their own trash. Management can vacuum up. We're talking about a 1% budget cut, not 20%.

      I'm a part-time government employee in addition to a full-time private-sector one. Every time I'm at my government job I'm looking for a way to do more with less, because that's good stewardship of the money I'm being paid (and paying).

    2. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      i work for the DoD as a civilian. our theater command met its budget cut requirements, yet we are still about to go to four-day work weeks. and yeah, we take out my own trash and there is a bathroom cleaning schedule.
      meanwhile, we have "certain" (code for "important") people flying their asses all around the theater (commercial flights) for three weeks straight, getting paid full TDY, etc... why use that expensive video teleconference suite when you can fly to hawaii, bank some per diem, and accumulate frequent flyer miles?

      everything is for show. ever since the GSA vegas debacle, public spending has been curbed, but still runs rampant in private. i used to have pride in working for the government and armed forces, now i am demoralized, ashamed, and actively looking for non-civilian non-government jobs.

    3. Re:Two separate fights by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      If you pay me less, I'm going to short you on certain items. I'll try to make them peripheral, but I guarantee if you stop paying my invoices I'm going to cut the flow to the high profile services first. Simple business.

      That isn't how any business in a competitive industry works. They aim to deliver the services consumers want for whatever price they can get. If there is a pinch in the economy and they're forced to sell services below cost, they're going to sell the most desirable services they can for whatever they can get for them so that they're able to differentiate themselves and hopefully raise their prices later.

      No business decides to punish their customers for failing to buy from them. If you storm out of a business insisting that you'll never come back again, no wise store owner will kick you out the next day if you change your mind.

      Sure, companies won't deliver services if invoices aren't paid, but they usually start out by assuming it is a mistake - they just want their money. That also isn't a good comparison here, because an invoice is a bill sent AFTER a service has already been rendered - the customer is legitimately in debt at that point. In the case of government services nobody has consumed anything without paying for it - the budget changes were dictated up-front and the government should deliver the most it can for what it has.

      If my boss told me that they need to cut back and thus I had to do more work for the same pay for a while, the last thing I'm going to do is tell him that I'll just have to stop doing the highest-priority work that I have. I'd be fired that day.

    4. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 0

      Well, that's bullshit.

    5. Re:Two separate fights by Arrogant+Monkey · · Score: 1
      "the last thing I'm going to do is tell him that I'll just have to stop doing the highest-priority work that I have. I'd be fired that day."

      And there you have the difference between public and private sectors in a nutshell. One's "entitled" to your business, regardless of quality, and fuck you if you don't like it. The other will do what it can to make sure it retains you.

    6. Re:Two separate fights by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cut your janitorial staff (they're almost certainly contractors, anyway) and make people take out their own trash. Management can vacuum up. We're talking about a 1% budget cut, not 20%.

      ...and a year later it will make ZERO difference. Sure, you've made a 'statement' but salaries and janitorial and their like are rounding errors. If you want to cut, and cut only, you've got three things to cut that would make a real difference:

      - Medicare
      - Social Security
      - Military

      Problem is they're all sacred cows, so your only other choice is to raise revenue.

    7. Re:Two separate fights by hedwards · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't the sacred cows. The problem is that the people demanding tax cuts won't accept service cuts to things they like.

      TBH, I'd love to have programs that support other people cut so that I can have lower taxes, but that kind of thinking doesn't work. I'm not sure why my tax dollars should go to subsidize people that live in the middle of nowhere or who vote for local officials that refuse to run their state in a sustainable way. The South and most of the Red states couldn't exist if not for the rather large subsidies that the Blue states provide.

    8. Re:Two separate fights by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Except that's how businesses in the US generally work. Layoffs and pay cuts to the employees before the executives have to take a pay cut, and even then that's after they've failed to find a way of declaring bankruptcy and auctioning themselves off for a bonus.

    9. Re:Two separate fights by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      SS and Medicare are self funding. The taxes earmarked for them pay for them. Yes, if you cut the program and raised taxes to cover the difference, revenue would increase without changing paychecks, but if you eliminate SS taxes when you eliminate SS program, then you'd end up worse off. SS and Medicare are self funding and not running debt/deficit. The problem is the general fund is used mostly for military and debt. The only "discretionary" item that makes a difference is the military. Close all overseas bases (sell them off, or mothball) and eliminate the standing military, and you'll have the budget almost balanced. Drop obamacare for single-payer, and you'll have a surplus. Keep taxes where they are until the surplus pays off the debt (100 years or so, unless we raise interest rates to 10% or more), and then drop taxes by 30% and you'll still have a surplus..

    10. Re:Two separate fights by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If you eliminated all government spending other than the three sacred cows, you can't balance the budget. The other may be "bonus" but it doesn't add up to enough to matter.

    11. Re:Two separate fights by schnell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If there is a pinch in the economy and they're forced to sell services below cost, they're going to sell the most desirable services they can

      That's exactly what the US Postal Service tried to do, run itself like a business by shutting down underused post offices and stopping Saturday delivery. Same with Amtrak, which wanted to cut unprofitable routes and focus on just the high-use, profitable Eastern Seaboard routes. In both cases, politicians wouldn't let them do it because someone's pork barrel was at risk.

      The unfortunate moral of the story is that government agencies can't run themselves like businesses because their bosses - the elected politicians - will sabotage those efforts any time it is in their political interests to do so. You can't run an organization like a for-profit corporation and a non-profit public service at the same time. The two missions are fundamentally at odds.

      (In an interesting bit of irony, this was the DoJ's rationale in pursuing the breakup of Ma Bell back in the day - you shouldn't have regulated interests like like local phone service [i.e. an entitlement] being subsidized by unregulated services like long distance [i.e. a profit venture]. Read The Deal of the Century for the full story, it's fascinating.)

      Unless the government is willing to declare certain parts of itself off-limits to Congressional mandates and able to operate themselves like a for-profit corporation, it should abandon any ideas about judging them that way. Government at its heart is about providing services that need to be collectively funded because they simply can't be profitable, but are in the common good. I hate to sound like a Republican here but it makes sense that the parts that need to operate like a business should be cut loose to make a profit, and the rest should just be declared entitlements and treated as such.

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    12. Re:Two separate fights by DerekLyons · · Score: 1, Insightful

      SS and Medicare are self funding. The taxes earmarked for them pay for them.

      I don't know about Medicare, but that's not true of Social Security - because the taxes earmarked for SS, rather than being accumulated in piggy bank until needed, have been "invested" in special Treasury bonds. Unless Congress pays off those bonds, using funds from the discretionary side of the ledger, then SS has no cash to pay out.

      So yes, SS contributes directly to both the deficit and the debt. It's only "self funding" in theory.

      And as the boomers continue to retire (and living much longer than predicted when they paid into the pool), it's only going to get worse.

    13. Re:Two separate fights by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Except that's how businesses in the US generally work. Layoffs and pay cuts to the employees before the executives have to take a pay cut, and even then that's after they've failed to find a way of declaring bankruptcy and auctioning themselves off for a bonus.

      That's what I get for failing to qualify every sentence. :) I did say "wise store owner," but I failed to say "well-run business."

      Few businesses that have executives are well-run. Executives aren't owners - they're managing the business for their own benefit, which only loosely aligns with the interests of the owners or their customers.

    14. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Closing overseas bases is going to be a trick when we've got treaties in place guaranteeing the bases to the governments of the nations in which they're placed. While the civilians of those governments (and often the politicos when they're facing a camera) gripe about the American presence, they quite often enjoy not having to put their own people's money on the line for defense.

    15. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cut your janitorial staff (they're almost certainly contractors, anyway) and make people take out their own trash. Management can vacuum up.

      So you want to people who are paid (say) 10x minimum wage to do a minimum wage job part time?

    16. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If SS is self funding, why do we need to borrow money to send out the checks?

    17. Re:Two separate fights by deadweight · · Score: 1

      So........we have a signed contract with the local "train handicapped people to do jobs" organization for janitors. I decide that $100K/yr engineers are going to be vacuuming and cleaning. Not only is this a massive waste of resources, the people we have a fucking CONTRACT FOR THE YEAR with are going to be in court with media-friendly victims talking about being thrown out of their jobs That would work SO well...

    18. Re:Two separate fights by starcraftsicko · · Score: 0

      SS and Medicare are self funding.

      Sorry, that's wishful thinking.

      SS is almost self funding. If you assume that the SS fund balance invested in loans to the Treasury will be paid, SS still shows a deficit on the 20-30 year time scale unless something comes along to knock off the 'boomers' early. SS can probably be made self funding with some tweaks to how the payroll taxes are done, but there is no political will to fix it and 20-30 years is a long way off in the land of politics. Of course, the longer they wait, the harder it gets.

      Medicare has even bigger problems. [CNN] In ~12 years, any trust fund will be exhausted and incoming funds will fall short of expenses. One estimate that I have heard is that to make it self funding with existing benefits, we would need an additional 10-12% payroll tax on top of the current levy. Bear in mind too that medicare (and its bastard stepchild medicaid) generally under pay for services forcing costs to be shifted and creating additional costs in other places.

      I am all for cutting a big slice out of military spending - we are far too willing to engage in wars at great distance for little benefit - but please do not ask me to pretend that the entitlement side of the federal ledger is in good order.

    19. Re:Two separate fights by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Um, I don't think there is such a thing as a non-civilian, non-government job...

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    20. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we are no longer taking in enough money to pay for SS benefits. It boggles the mind that people still don't understand this basic fact: SS benefit payouts are now > SS taxes collected. All of the previous surplus SS taxes have been spent on hookers and blow so we have to borrow more money to pay SS benefits.

    21. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to economists, if we cut all spending entirely, we could just barely match the interest rate on debt.

      Tell me again how any government service is self funding knowing that?

    22. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We spent $750,000 on a soccer field for the gitmo detainees....
      $175,587 to determine if cocaine makes Japanese quail engage in sexually risky behavior...
      $30M on programs to help Pakistani farmers grow more mangos.

      What the fuck.

    23. Re:Two separate fights by __aapopf3474 · · Score: 1

      BTW - I thought that SS and Medicare are funded from payroll taxes, but apparently not . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States) Wikipedia says: "Parts B and D are funded by premiums paid by Medicare enrollees and general fund revenue. In 2011, Medicare spending accounted for about 15 percent of the federal budget, and this share is projected to increase to over 17 percent by 2020."

    24. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS, tax payers are the one who fund SS and medicare they are not funded by the people who receive them. Just because a certain portion of our taxes is named for SS doesn't make them sacrosanct. The whole concept of non-discretionary budgeting is also a bunch BS fed to idiots who are willing to believe that the welfare state must be forever maintained.

    25. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that right there is why I feel we should really limit government to what is absolutely necessary to maintain our sovereignty. National defense, limited economic regulation, and that's it. No more of these entitlement programs. Get rid of all of it. The government doesn't do a good job anyway. There's widespread abuse by both the recipiants as well as the overseers. How many people do you know that get by in retirement on social security? They've worked their whole lives to pay into the system and they have to resort to eating cat food because it's all they can afford. I've said it before and I'll say it again. When this country was founded we had none of the bubble wrap we have now. Yes, people lived in poverty, some died, some got sick. It happens in other countries as well. But we simply can't afford to maintain a system where everyone has their hands in the pie while pretending to solve those problems because even though we are spending billions on entitlement programs people still live in poverty, still get sick, and still die. We've more than proven that just throwing money at a problem doesn't make it go away. It's hard to help someone who's determined to fail. I've witnessed first hand what happens when someone chooses to no longer rely on the government. They start to rely on themselves. They become stronger. They gain confidence. They succeed where the government would have them languish in their poverty to keep them beholden. Let's end this nonsense.

    26. Re:Two separate fights by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Xe aka Blackwater?

    27. Re:Two separate fights by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure those guys are still civilians...right?

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    28. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The unfortunate moral of the story is that government agencies can't run themselves like businesses because their bosses - the elected politicians - will sabotage those efforts any time it is in their political interests to do so.

      Elected politicians? It's the voting populace that screamed bloody murder in the examples you gave. The politicians simply did what they were asked to do by the real bosses. Anyone who blames this fiscal mess on Washington isn't paying attention.

    29. Re:Two separate fights by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Except you don't work for a business, you work for a government paid for by your fellow citizens.

      People are always saying that they want government to work more like business (especially when they periodically promote wanks like Iacocca, Perot, Trump, Bloomberg, etc. as candidates - who, sadly, sometimes win). Now you bitch because they do? You can't win with a bunch of idiots like you "fellow citizens" around.

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    30. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really think paying managers $50/hour to vacuum instead of paying janitors $20/hour is going to save money?

    31. Re:Two separate fights by hedwards · · Score: 1

      This I agree with. A well run business would treat their employees with some respect as retraining and turn over can be quite expensive in the long run compared with just paying a living wage with decent benefits.

    32. Re:Two separate fights by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Technically yes. However, it is difficult to think of a heavily armed and well-trained paramilitary force as "civilian". My point was more of an attempt at humor...

    33. Re:Two separate fights by Meeni · · Score: 1

      That is about the most stupid thing I've read in some time. Fire the $3/h janitor, and make the $20/h manager carry around trash cans for 1/2 hours, and call -that- saving money???

    34. Re:Two separate fights by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      The South and most of the Red states couldn't exist if not for the rather large subsidies that the Blue states provide.

      The problem is this argument does not consider that really those red states are the nations bread basket; Do they get huge tax subsides you bet; but its more a monetary distortion than an actual transfer of wealth. though some of the Southwest Nevada(I am looking at you) probably get a free ride.

      Yes New York does some agriculture and so does California but what do imagine food prices would be without all the Federal monies flowing to the South East and Mid West?

      Don't get me wrong I don't get wrong. I think we would be much better off not distorting the value of these things but I think the real capital flows would surprise people. Its not like the folks in those places would just do without infrastructure if the Feds did not build it, local taxes would go up and be passed on and its not like the loss of the direct subsidies would not be passed on either. Staple food products are rather inelastic. So the Federal income tax rate would probably go way down; but you'd pay $12 for a box of Corn Flakes, and GDP of those Red states would look much closer to the Blue ones.

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    35. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Managers are salaried. They work overtime for free.

    36. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Denying taxpayers of the most valuable of the services they paid for - when you don't have to - is wrong. Being more efficient isn't.

    37. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I said management. Managers are salaried or "exempt". They do not get overtime. That's the whole point.

      I mean, we're talking about basic employment law here.

    38. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      You're right about the general long term effect, but it will matter to all the people whose flights weren't delayed.

    39. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Nonsense; they'd just live on as poorer places. OTOH your vaunted blue areas would be paying a lot more for energy and food without the efficient transport network connecting the farms and the mines with the cities. Hinterlands can exist without cities, but cities cannot exist without hinterlands.

    40. Re:Two separate fights by deadweight · · Score: 1

      So while the managers clean toilets, who is managing? Some small 20 person office might get by with everyone chipping in to vacuum or something, but building maintenance in a multi-thousand employee building is not getting done on an ad-hoc basis by random people. Meanwhile that contract we signed with the retarded citizens folks.......................hmmm....

    41. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Managers. Managers who are salaried. Salaried managers who do not get overtime.

    42. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Managers are salaried. They don't get overtime. What's with the idiot hour on this?

    43. Re:Two separate fights by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They just named the "piggy bank" T-bills. It's the same thing (at least to accountants). Unless the US defaults on the national debt, the money is there, even if the money isn't there.

    44. Re:Two separate fights by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Medicare was screwed by all the fights around obamacare. Fixing that should be second priority to shutting down the military industrial complex. Abolish the standing army, close all federal military bases, and fund the National Guard, abolish Obamacare, and extend Medicare to all Americans (with some appropriate adjustments to accommodate), and the budget will be balanced.

      SS has been 20 years away from "deficit" for the past 40 years. I remember it being an issue in the 1980 presidential race, and every race since then. It takes tiny tweaks in time to keep it fully funded.

    45. Re:Two separate fights by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      they are defending "spending" such that it excludes the military, and most of the US budget.

    46. Re:Two separate fights by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      They just named the "piggy bank" T-bills. It's the same thing (at least to accountants).

      No, accountants know the difference between cash and bonds. Folks like the OP and other ignoramuses however, are not - leading to the widespread and false belief that"SS does not take from the general fund or contribute to the debt or deficit".
       

      Unless the US defaults on the national debt, the money is there, even if the money isn't there.

      True, but irrelevant to the matter at hand.

    47. Re:Two separate fights by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      SS puts more in the general fund than it takes. If you were to keep SS taxes as is, but eliminate SS payments, then SS would put all the revenue into buying T-bills, putting the income into the general fund in return for an IOU. That does not "contribute to the debt or deficit".

    48. Re:Two separate fights by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Unemployment compensation and tax credits now account for 14.5% of the federal budget, thanks largely to Obama deepening the recession we're in. Cutting that to zero would make an immense difference. Ending all meddling by the federal gov't with the health care system would fix the rest of the deficit and result in such a huge economic boom that other considerations would be negligible.

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    49. Re:Two separate fights by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      No business decides to punish their customers for failing to buy from them

      Sony.

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    50. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The managers stay late and clean up at the same time the janitors usually do: after hours. Of course, if you have no way out of your janitorial contract, then obviously you'll have to find some other menial task that managers will have to stay late to do. Not building maintenance, of course: that's one reason the feds usually rent their office space like any other company.

      Do you own a straw man company? If you were a manager in charge of a whole department in a company, and your boss told you to cut your budget 1%, is cutting the hours of the people who do one of the primary jobs of your department going to be the first way you try to save money?

    51. Re:Two separate fights by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      "Sure, companies won't deliver services if invoices aren't paid, but they usually start out by assuming it is a mistake - they just want their money."

      Except that the sequester is basically a letter to the AR department saying, "We are going to stop paying you, and we intend not to pay you in the future either...and here it is in writing." The only way to get paid is to withhold services which are most necessary. In private business, if you accept less money, people will start paying you less. If someone decides they don't want to pay you and you've already delivered the service, you have no leverage.

      I would rather have 3 clients who pay, than 5 clients who don't. Non-paying clients don't put food on the table, and I don't put up with bullshit power plays or ego trips. I will bend over backwards to get emergency work out for my regular clients, and they appreciate it. The clients who are always 90-120-150 days out, or who don't pay get "as available" service, higher proposal fees (to compensate me for the bullshit time I spend chasing them down), or just stop responding to their requests for bids.

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    52. Re:Two separate fights by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      " You have absolutely no moral right to sit by while the IRS takes a cut of everyone's check under threat of force and then pretend that you can be as capricious in your cuts as a private business that has to fight daily to exist."

      For the past 10 years, you and I have gotten a smaller cut taken (the Bush tax cuts) but they have delivered the same service. YOUR representative CHOSE (through inaction) to broker a deal where the FAA will get X% less money, and they have been told to cut expenses across the board. They are forbidden by the same laws YOUR representative passed (or allowed to pass) from reducing hourly wages. By definition, that means fewer hours and reduced services. These changes aren't capricious, they're showing exactly what happens when you cut funds ACROSS THE BOARD as directed by the law.

      I'm a private businessman, and have run my own firm for a decade. I've taken a grand total of $1200 in federal money in that time. Before that I worked for a federal contractor for two years, a private firm with no governmental ties for 4 years, and was a federal employee for 9 years. It doesn't matter who I work for, I look to see how I can do more with less - that's good business, no matter who the client is. But at some point, you have to argue that the funds allocated are not sufficient for the task at hand. This isn't lawn care service, this is people travelling at 8/10 the speed of sound in a thin aluminum cylinder 30,000 feet above the ground. If things go wrong, people die.

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    53. Re:Two separate fights by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      The whole analogy breaks down when you're talking about a government.

      Taxpayers aren't an AR department - they're the board of directors. If your board of directors tells you to spend less money, you spend less money. If they tell you to do it by not stocking the break room, then you don't stock the break room.

    54. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social Security is self-funding.

      Medicare is not, at least not the whole thing.

    55. Re:Two separate fights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that just cutting the janitorial staff is *illegal*. The sequestration law requires cutting *by object code* at the correct percentage. So, if you have a budget line for "air traffic controller salaries", then you have to cut those by 8%. Period. Managers or agency heads *may not* shift it to other categories. That was the poison pill to keep this from happening.

    56. Re:Two separate fights by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Well, we wouldn't want to save hundreds of trillions of dollars if it is "tricky".

    57. Re:Two separate fights by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      YOUR representative CHOSE (through inaction)

      You are making an awfully bold assumption about what my representative chose. (Actually, my representative is an idiot, but the alternative was even dumber.)

  12. Sequestration my butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There's roughly 27% less departures than in 2011, but the budget is 40% larger. The 4% decrease in current dollars, or roughly a 36% increase in funding is causing delays from 2011 levels?

    Yeah. Right. I have a bridge I'll sell you.

    1. Re:Sequestration my butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      What? Who mods up this shit?

      2011 budget - $9.79 billion (http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/files/docs/faa_fy_2011_budget_estimate.pdf)
      2013 budget - $9.70 billion (http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/files/docs/faa_%20fy_%202013_budget_estimate.pdf)

      1% real reduction, or about a 5.5% reduction adjusting for inflation. And that's before the sequester.

      2011-2012 flights - 738,143
      2012-2013 flights - 743,569 (http://apps.bts.gov/xml/air_traffic/src/index.xml)

      Traffic increased about 0.75%.

    2. Re:Sequestration my butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From your 2013 budget link:

      FY 11 Actual was 9.535 billion
      FY 13 Request is 9.718 billion

      This is a real increase, though adjusted for inflation it represents a 1.5% decrease.

      You're also looking at the wrong category on the BTS site. Revenue passenger enplanements are number of passengers, not number of planes in the air. Air traffic control doesn't care how many passengers are in the air, it cares about how many planes are in the air. The closest analogue from the BTS site is revenue departures performed. Year over year (not comparing 2011 to 2013, but comparing the 12 months ending January 2013 to the 12 months ending January 2012) there is a 9,664,532 to 9,451,697 or a decrease of about 2%.

    3. Re:Sequestration my butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't compare request to actual across years. Request to request is the agency's determination of its funding needs level. You can also compare actual to actual, but 2013 actual is yet to be determined.

      The departures line numbers were misread, yes, but still demonstrates that there's nowhere near a 27% drop in traffic in either people or planes.

  13. Re: they see me trollin', they hatin' by rwa2 · · Score: 2

    ha, don't take any offense... all political discourse (esp. on /. ) is trolling. That's what politics is. Achieve maximum trollage while inciting other people to waste their time responding to you when they could be doing much more positive and constructive things. Ach, now you've got me doing it! Troll!

  14. Won't matter who is right... by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

    They are just asking for another round of 'throw the bums out!' anti-incumbent voting.

    1. Re:Won't matter who is right... by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Fuck.

      That'll get nowhere. The districts are gerrymandered to hell and back, so the only thing a Republican district can do is vote for a more extreme teabagger. That or they'll decide that they hate Congress but inexplicably love "their" guy, or "their" guy will engineer a primary with seven candidates and manage to come out on top with a plurality, so he wins even though most of the district hates him. Roy Blunt did the latter in '08.

      Your idea will get nowhere until we get rid of gerrymandering once and for all, and until we get dump first-past-the-post.

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    2. Re:Won't matter who is right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez, I hope not. Look what kind of trash we got stuck with the last time.

      How much of the drama over the last year's budget brinksmanship was caused by the Republican leadership being held over a barrel by the Teahadists? The media painted Boehnhead as being in charge of the negotiations, but past a certain point he literally couldn't make a deal because he couldn't deliver the Tea Party votes.

      I don't even hate the Republican Party as a whole, just the lunatic fringe that's run away with the whole show lately.

  15. Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do private airports and charter planes have to put up with this bullshit?

    Seems to me this creates a golden opportunity for someone with a small fleet of private planes. Imagine if you're a business traveler, and you need to fly somewhere 1000 miles away. A commercial plane could make the trip in about an hour and a half, if it could magically take off and instantly reached its cruising altitude and could land as fast as it could crash. The reality is that such a flight takes long enough, that if you also add all the bullshit you have to go through, including navigating traffic to the massive airport, finding your way through the airport, being humiliated and insulted by half-wits with metal detectors and x-ray machines, running the risk that you'll be pulled aside to have your asshole violated so they can pretend you'll be safe when you finally get on the airplane, and then you have to wait another 20 or 30 minutes after you are finally permitted to "deplane", waiting for your luggage.

    Then, assuming you are allowed to get on the plane, after potentially being anally violated, if you're lucky enough to reach your destination, and manage to be reunited with your luggage, (and of course, provided some thief at the T"S"A hasn't stolen your property out of your luggage,) you will have spent hours of your life and risked the same repeatedly. Also, you will have exposed yourself to hundreds or thousands of other peoples' secretions, breathing a bunch of random strangers' coughs and sneezes, all the bacteria and viruses, as well as experiencing enough stress in a few hours to take several days off your life expectancy... and that's all if nothing goes WRONG.

    On the flip side, imagine if the alternative existed, you drive to the airport, which is closer because it's local not regional, maybe you even drive almost right up to the plane. Then you get on the plane and after a few minutes (rather than hours) you take off. Sure the plane doesn't go as fast, being a prop-plane, taking three or four hours to make the same trip, but after you land, you have your bags right there, and can immediately leave the airport. From the moment you get in the car to go to the airport, to the moment you leave the distant airport, you might spend less time flying in a small, private or charter plane.

    Makes me wish I had a small fleet of private planes.

    1. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you know that this is a silly idea, and are just making a joke. Regional airports already exist, and have not been overlooked by the airlines as an option for attracting customers, and are not a panacea for air travel. Without delving into every single way you're wrong, and why regional airports haven't become a hugely popular option, just take a moment to realize that business customers tend to live in large cities, and large cities tend to be adjacent to major airports, and major airports tend to have many more flight options, as well as more transportation options, and more competition for prices.

    2. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The problem is that what you are describing is really really expensive, and commercial flight is cheap. I live in a modest-sized city. We have flights to several major hubs. I've repeatedly boarded international itineraries while arriving less than 30 minutes before departure. You also are forgetting that there are special lines for first class and serious frequent fliers. It helps - I walked into LAX two days before Christmas and the lines for coach were out the doors, but first class had ten people in line. Add in dedicated security lines, where they exist, and TSA Trusted Traveler programs like Global Entry, and you can almost be treated like a human being. If you can swing it, I strongly encourage you to try flying international business class or better. Yes, it's hideously expensive, although to my surprise AmEx Platinum's companion-flies-free fare (which is essentially one expensive ticket and you just pay taxes on the second one, plus it's fully refundable) has been the cheapest option traveling across the pond - that alone has already paid for the membership fee several times over. But it's a completely different experience: you get on and off the plane first (especially useful at immigration and customs!), they greet you by name, there are comfortable seats, you have lounge access in the airport, and you can spend 24 hours in transit and feel like a human being when you arrive.

      Air taxi is a successful business but really depends on people who need to be somewhere obscure right away.

    3. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      Same ATC for everyone. The only benefit a private aircraft has is that when you fly under Part 91 (General Aviation) rules if the weather is clear you can navigate on your own (below the Flight Level altitudes) so long as you agree to do your own "see and avoid" of other aircraft. If you want access to the high altitudes where fuel-efficiency is best, or to fly into or out of a major metropolitan area with a Class B or Class C airspace (every city you can think of you might want to travel to) then you have to interact with the ATC system.

      No, "billionaires" are not getting off scott free here.

      Also - if you lease service on your aircraft, you are regulated under Part 121, so there goes your nice little easy-peasy see-and-avoid Part 91 "I'z flying meself and mize pet alligator wherzeverz I'z wants to go!" attitude.

    4. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.netjets.com/

      http://private-jetcharter.com/

    5. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... the plane and after a few minutes ...

      That means landing fees and pilot's wages must be paid by fewer people. This faster service will increase prices so no-one will offer it.

      The plane takes passengers and all passengers must be cleared by the TSA, so you haven't solved the biggest problem. Air corridors and runways are time-limited infra-structure, so filling them with small planes means fewer people in the air.

      The TSA originally demanded a panic-cage around ALL cockpits. Adding a ton of weight to a 300 ton jumbo isn't a big deal. Adding it to a ten-seater plane means no passengers. If your concept became flight SOP, the TSA would interfere to justify their pay-checks.

    6. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      See Flight Options. I see their Phenoms and Citation Xs screaming by at 45,000ft on FlightRadar 24 (you can set a filter for callsign 'OPT' to see just their planes).

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    7. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In most cases, private planes taking off out of larger airports need to file a flight plan with ATC. They're going to be affected by delays just as much as commercial planes.

    8. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FAA actually has plans to make this happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Generation_Air_Transportation_System
      Commercial aircraft (including your new company :-) ) are required to fly on "aviation highways" using the existing navigation beacons instead of using GPS to go point-to-point (i.e. small airport to small airport).

      It's a complete revamping of the current system, so it will take (guess?) time and money.

    9. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up Porter Airlines in Toronto... this is essentially what they do. A bunch of Dash Eight turboprops, rarely more than 60% full, flying right into the heart of the city. Elapsed time from when you leave the Bay Street financial district to lift-off is often less than half an hour.
      They're pricey as hell compared to flying cattle class out of the big regional hub at Pearson, but the trade-off is friendly staff, your dignity stays intact, and they're just about the only airline turning a profit around here.

    10. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I do fly small private planes. Gas - *just gas* - from Baltimore to Miami and back is about $1000. AirTran discount to Fort Lauderdale was $38 each way last time I went down there.

    11. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think that many corporations own (or lease) corporate jets for the use of high level managers who's job title includes a word such as "Chief", "Executive" or "President"? It's not because it saves the company money v. the cost of buying these folks airline tickets. Joe Salesman and Sally Engineer can travel in cattle class while Mr Bigwig gets to travel without even looking at the TSA agents.

    12. Re:Opportunity in Disguise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has already been done many times over. For example Net Jets. These airplanes still have to fly within the air traffic system, if you fly IFR. So they are dependent on the controllers too.

      Plus the cost is non-trivial. After all, if God had meant men to fly, He would have given him more money.

  16. You know who doesn't have travel delays? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    People who own private jets. Just sayin'.

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    1. Re:You know who doesn't have travel delays? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People who own private jets. Just sayin'.

      No, you're being ignorant. People who own private jets have to use either the large airports where ATC sequestration is slowing down ALL flights or use the smaller airports where sequestration is removing ATC which will force everybody to slow down because the traffic cops are gone.

      People with private jets are either experiencing the same delays we are or worse delays.

    2. Re:You know who doesn't have travel delays? by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      Most of those small airports have very little traffic. At an airport with little traffic when the tower is closed you just announce your arrival on the radio and everybody keeps an eye out for each other. Most likely there is only one plane in the air nearby at a time anyway.

      Private jets have a disproportionate impact on ATC in the first place. It takes as much effort to direct a jet with 4 people on it as one with 300 people on it.

    3. Re:You know who doesn't have travel delays? by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      ??? Perhaps on a per-passenger-time-used-by-controller calculation, but if that bizjet is flying into a non-towered airport on VFR rules it is using FAR LESS ATC resources than that Southwest flight with 300 people on it.

    4. Re:You know who doesn't have travel delays? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      ??? Perhaps on a per-passenger-time-used-by-controller calculation, but if that bizjet is flying into a non-towered airport on VFR rules it is using FAR LESS ATC resources than that Southwest flight with 300 people on it.

      I was of course referring to the per-passenger basis. About the only way it would use less ATC time on that basis would be if it flew VFR the entire route, and that is pretty unlikely unless they were just ferrying it between two local airports. I would imagine that most private jets would be flying IFR even into a non-towered airport.

    5. Re:You know who doesn't have travel delays? by sixoh1 · · Score: 1

      As soon as you offer the aircraft "for hire" instead of operating your own aircraft (the language is a bit more technical and has to do with whether the pilot is paying his "pro-rata share of costs") you fall under rules as a charter operator - this often (but not always) results in the charter operator using IFR flight plans to follow safety practices. You also cannot fly at or above Flight Level 160 (16,000 ft above mean sea level) under VFR rules.

  17. Which programs? by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    Specifically. I always here this, but the cost of duck penis studies don't even begin to pay for this. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, our gov't isn't wasting nearly as much money as people think it is?

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    1. Re:Which programs? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      ha!
      look at that sinkhole called nasa

    2. Re:Which programs? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We waste a ton of money on nonsensical programs that should (and would) be done by the private sector.

      For example, look at the airline security theater, don't you think that its in American Airlines, United and Delta's best interest to provide enough security to remove the threat of hijackings but not need a full cavity search? Instead, we have the FAA providing asinine rules on what you can and can't take on board a plane, rather than delegating those decisions to the airlines. Because of the FAA restrictions, flying is pretty terrible, because of that fewer people are flying, because fewer people are flying airlines have to cut costs which makes flying even worse, which makes fewer people fly and so on. If airlines (or airports) could be in charge of their own security, we'd be safer (we'd be looking at actual security and not security theater) and flying would be a much more pleasant experience.

      We've got a terribly bloated military focused on offense rather than defense. Because of this, we end up creating more enemies which makes us be less safe in the long run. We're spending billions of dollars on unneeded overseas military bases. Sure, it might make sense to have a base or two in a foreign country, especially in some of the "hotter" regions of the world, but do we really need over 10 bases in Japan? Do we really need bases in Spain, Italy, the UK, Bulgaria, Bahrain, Singapore, the UAE, and many, many, other countries? No.

      We've got a messed up welfare system, a screwed up financial system, a mess with farm subsidies and just about everything the government touches turns into a bureaucratic hellhole.

      No, we're not going to get rid of the national debt by cutting PBS, we're not going to save much money by closing the Washington Monument for tours. But there is a ton of waste, but its in the stuff that the politicians don't want to touch (welfare, the military, farm subsidies, financial sector, etc.) because the public is either ignorant about it or enjoys getting free money at the expense of everyone else.

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    3. Re:Which programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For example, look at the airline security theater, don't you think that its in American Airlines, United and Delta's best interest to provide enough security to remove the threat of hijackings but not need a full cavity search?

      Sure, just like it's in most companies' best interests to spend money on IT to keep the business running smoothly or R&D to keep the businesses' long term prospects healthy. Thing is, finding a business that doesn't give IT the short shrift or overlook R&D -- or redefine it as working on the next product line -- is rarer and rarer these days. Security will go the same way, because just like IT and R&D it doesn't add anything to the bottom line.

    4. Re:Which programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      don't you think that its in American Airlines, United and Delta's best interest to provide enough security to remove the threat of hijackings but not need a full cavity search?

      No, in pure business terms, the threat of hijacking and the loss of 1-2 airplanes and slight dip in customers is not worth the excess costs of keeping that 1-2 hijackings from happening out of millions of flights per year. This is why doing everything via private sector will fail. There needs to be a middle ground.

    5. Re:Which programs? by onyxruby · · Score: 0

      Security was done by the private sector, it was shoddy as hell and 9/11 was a direct result. As bad as the TSA is they are much better than what was there before. I was actively involved with the process for hiring new TSA agents and a large number of the old agents failed the TSA's very basic tests. If you don't like the TSA's policies than you need to complain to your congress critter as they are the ones that set most of the TSA's policy. It's akin to people thinking they can get rid of the IRS and no longer have to pay taxes. Any private replacement to the TSA would just end up having to follow the same damn rules anyways. It would improve nothing for the public and put a critical security function into private hands.

      Our military bases operate world wide because we'd rather conflict stay over there (wherever that is) than come over here. Every time the US has practiced isolationism it has been a disaster (WW1 & WW2). The bases and military budgets also keep things from blowing completely out of control as they would without our keeping things in check. The costs to our economy if we withdrew and let bases go would be far higher than (again WW1&2 etc). Why do you think fiscal conservatives won't touch military spending when they attack everything else? Without markets and international stability you tend to get international economic crisis on a worldwide scale (Great Depression was worldwide).

    6. Re:Which programs? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      We waste a ton of money on nonsensical programs that should (and would) be done by the private sector.

      No, we're not going to get rid of the national debt by cutting PBS, we're not going to save much money by closing the Washington Monument for tours. But there is a ton of waste, but its in the stuff that the politicians don't want to touch (welfare, the military, farm subsidies, financial sector, etc.) because the public is either ignorant about it or enjoys getting free money at the expense of everyone else.

      Also, the public is engaged in the two-party name calling as in the thread above. Almost everyone has to defend their party, and attack the other party, while ignoring the fact that everything is caving in around them.

      They'd be fighting about the proper way to rearrange the deck-chairs on the Titanic until they all fall in the sea together, and blaming the other for the need of it.

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    7. Re:Which programs? by Arrogant+Monkey · · Score: 1

      vs losing fearful customers who percieve a competitor is more secure and hence more safe? Really all the Federal government had to do was call for minimum guidelines and allow the airports and carriers to implement, as they had done successfully for 40+ years prior to 9/11. Instead we get a new goat rodeo that makes plenty of congressional staff rich (thank you insider information re: scanners etc) while stripping the rest of the populace of their fourth amendment rights.

    8. Re:Which programs? by chrismcb · · Score: 2

      For example, look at the airline security theater, don't you think that its in American Airlines, United and Delta's best interest to provide enough security to remove the threat of hijackings but not need a full cavity search?

      Except that the TSA's job isn't to remove the threat of hijackings, it is to stop the "terror suspects"
      Of course it also isn't TSA's job to make sure you have a proper ticket. Of course life would be better, and cheaper if there was no TSA. And personally I'd feel safer

    9. Re:Which programs? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Security was done by the private sector, it was shoddy as hell and 9/11 was a direct result.

      Wrong.

      9/11 had nothing to do with airport security. It's this sort of thinking that perpetuates the TSA gong show.

      9/11 succeeded for two reasons -

      1) Prior to 9/11, airline crews were trained to cooperate with hijackers - So the suicidal hijackers were able to easily take over the planes. Confiscating water bottles and groping grannies wouldn't have made a lick of difference here.

      2) Intelligence failures. The intelligence services failed to cooperate and failed to detect and prevent the terrorist hijackings.

      Neither had anything to do with nude-o-scopes and confiscating nail clippers.

    10. Re:Which programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FAA isn't creating/controlling the security/asinine rules - that's all TSA.

    11. Re:Which programs? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Specifically. I always here this, but the cost of duck penis studies don't even begin to pay for this. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, our gov't isn't wasting nearly as much money as people think it is?

      No. Politicians aren't accountable in any real way for how they spend money. If the officers of any business tried to use the accounting practices that our government uses, they be fired at the least, and most would probably be criminally charged for fraud. Depending on the mood of the country politicians may get "sanctioned" for what you and I will get jail time for. For most, the worst that will happen is they will have to resign and no further charges will be pressed. And they get to walk away with a "war chest" of left over campaign funds. Only in very egregious cases, and when the political winds are blowing just right does a politician actually do any jail time. Frankly I feel all of congress should be removed for failure to do their job by not passing a budget for several years now. If I had my way they'd all be tried for treason at this point.

    12. Re:Which programs? by poached · · Score: 1

      The scenario of airlines handling security is scary. Government regulation makes it more convenient for the travelers actually. You now know what not to bring to the airport. Imagine having to know the rules for each individual airport or carrier. More delays, more frustration. I think airlines would rather not have that. One problem with any commercialization or privatization is the communication asymmetry problem. How do you know how well each airline is handling security? How can you trust that they are honestly reporting the measures they are doing (or not doing)? It is in the airline's best interest to spend the least amount possible while appearing to do the most. That alone scares me. What about the intelligence each airline will have invariably collected? Should they share that with other airlines? It is not in their best interest to do so (hey this guy is kind of suspicious, but let's not warn other airlines. If he blows another carrier's plane up, we get more business, win!) Those republicans that want to privatize everything never progress beyond econ 101 (if at all) and learned about market distortions and externalities.

    13. Re:Which programs? by khallow · · Score: 1

      No, in pure business terms, the threat of hijacking and the loss of 1-2 airplanes and slight dip in customers is not worth the excess costs of keeping that 1-2 hijackings from happening out of millions of flights per year. This is why doing everything via private sector will fail.

      Ok, you'll have to explain that logic. Why does that reasoning show that private sector will fail? I'm pretty sure the TSA does that reasoning as well. But they don't have to care, if they make flying so unpleasant that it hurts business.

    14. Re:Which programs? by khallow · · Score: 1

      On 1), prior to 9/11, passengers would have been more cooperative as well.

      And 3) it was legal to bring on the airplane the sort of weapons (eg, boxcutter knives) which the 9/11 hijackers used.

    15. Re:Which programs? by khallow · · Score: 1

      The scenario of airlines handling security is scary. Government regulation makes it more convenient for the travelers actually.

      The solution then is to have non-scary, government regulated security handled by the airlines. Not the TSA power grab. That's scary in ways that should matter more to us (namely, growing TSA power is a more credible threat to our lives and freedoms than the vague threat of terrorism).

    16. Re:Which programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just childish wishful thinking. No one is in favor of "waste, fraud and abuse". Every dollar the government spends goes to someone who thinks they deserve it. Also the comment that "I'm smart but the public is stupid" might be persuasive to one's mother but sounds to me like over compensation for a perhaps well deserved inferiority complex.

    17. Re:Which programs? by funkylovemonkey · · Score: 1

      In the last twenty years there has been a massive realignment of military bases from overseas to stateside. Some 350 installations overseas have been closed since the end of the Cold War, including some major base closures in the Philippines and across Germany. In that time with all that relocation, not a penny was saved. While all these bases have been moved back to the states, the military budget has increased from around 400 billion dollars a year in 1992 to 600 billion dollars a year right now. That does not count additional funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. While it seems to make sense that repositioning the military back in the states would save money, there is no evidence that it does. For one, the cost of stationing soldiers overseas isn't significantly higher then stationing them overseas. In fact some nations have historically PAID us to be in their country, including Japan, which you mention has quite a few bases. Secondly positioning more soldiers in the states makes doing their job more difficult and more expensive by forcing soldiers to travel further and be in less optimal position to respond when called upon. Strategically there's a reason why we need bases spread out in other places outside the US if we want to maintain the ability to respond to crisis around the world. The first is resupply and refueling. Ships need ports of harbor, planes need refueling. One of the reason the US maintains a presence in Spain, for instance, is because it provides a harbor at the entrance of the Mediterranean and additionally a place for planes to resupply and refuel. Spain allows the US to fly its planes through it's airspace without first getting permission. So if we need to get all of our troops massed in the states (as they are more and more) out of the states to some hotspot, then that flight from South Carolina to northern Africa is going to need a place to stop and refuel and a country willing to let them through. Having existing arrangements with governments and existing facilities to handle that is important. Also troops stationed in Italy or Germany can more quickly be deployed to the Middle East then troops stationed in Kansas. Finally many more bases are located in more prosperous nations like Germany or Japan because it is easier on the families and the servicemembers who have to relocate there. While the morale of our troops might not seem all that important from a fiscal standpoint, it encourages skilled servicemembers to stay in the military and increases the overall effectiveness of those servicemembers. For instance when Reagan took office he actually cut military spending from the level it was at under Carter, but put more emphasis on quality of living, increasing the effectiveness of our military that was suffering at the end of Vietnam.

    18. Re:Which programs? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      2) Intelligence failures.

      Go fuck yourself. The indicators were all there before, but only made sense in retrospect. There is a constant massive stream of message traffic every day pointing to terrorist attacks (some of which are thwarted, BTW, for which we get no credit). And the FBI and CIA were forbidden to talk to each other due to Intelligence Oversight restrictions put in place after the debacle in the 60s where Johnson was using intelligence assests to track US citizens.

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    19. Re:Which programs? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately your post is full of a lot of points in which you are horribly mistaken. First of all, you make the old Republican/Libertarian/US Military (yes them) argument that everything is better when done by the private sector. I agree that DHS isn't perfect, but I think it's illogical to assume that the US airline companies would do better. You are probably aware of how most if not all of the airlines have had baggage handlers caught red handed stealing stuff from passenger's checked luggage or running drug smuggling operations using the airlines as unwitting carriers. All it would take is one compromised low ranking employee in the right spot and suddenly there's a plane that blows up this time because a guy got compromised and let a terrorist sneak on a bomb. Yes, I do feel that having DHS run security makes this less likely. Arguing that it's not in the best interests of the airlines to have bad security hasn't stopped them from hiring dishonest luggage handlers and that's certainly not in their best interests either.

      I'd argue that yes, the US does need military bases overseas to respond to threats. China grows more menacing every day with their patently absurd claims to the vast majority of the South China Sea. And just yesterday it was reported (bet you didn't hear it though) that China has advanced further than ever into Indian territory that they claim and have their soldiers camping under tents in Indian territory. India protested and the official Chinese response was something like "I don't know what you're talking about". Every year the US and Taiwan report that China puts more advanced weaponry directly aimed at Taiwan. You might ask yourself why they are so obsessive on putting a small island of under 24 million people under direct control, but it's because the CCP is obsessed with controlling every Chinese person there is. Did you know that ethnic Chinese people who are born in foreign countries and are not citizens of the PRC are under special rules should they ever wish to apply for visas to go to China? They have to fill out special forms that only apply to them. I know of no other nation that has such a requirement. There may be some redundancy in the bases in Europe, but they are also there to quickly respond to problems in Europe or the Middle East. It's pretty easy to just go "Sucks to be YOU" to every country in the world as China becomes increasingly aggressive and is now in the early stages of talking by force what they think is theirs, but at some point if you don't stand up to the bully (and yes, I get that to Chinese military eyes the US is the bully) it sets a bad precedent. And we're the only guy able to stand up to the bully. Taiwan just wants to be left alone. That's all they want. Yet all it has gotten them is a China that obsesses about taking them over at any cost, preferably sooner rather than later. You either stand with your friends or you don't and I guess you are one of those "don't" people. By the way, that kind of thinking got us into WWI and arguably into WWII as well.

    20. Re:Which programs? by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      For example, look at the airline security theater, don't you think that its in American Airlines, United and Delta's best interest to provide enough security to remove the threat of hijackings but not need a full cavity search? Instead, we have the FAA providing asinine rules on what you can and can't take on board a plane, rather than delegating those decisions to the airlines.

      True.

      Of course, as competitors, the Airlines are(rightly) prohibited by anti-trust law from colluding with each other. So they'd have to form some kind of demi-independent organization to do this. Perhaps it could be entirely funded by skimming a bit of money off of airline tickets. Also, I think the public has a safety interest in what the rules are too, so there should be at least some kind of government input too. Otherwise they are liable to just come up with a bunch of rules that put all the onus on passengers rather than themselves.

      I say we call this government agency the Transportation Safety Administration.

      Or perhaps it would be simpler to just pressure our politicans to force the existing TSA to behave more sensibly? Voting on that basis, rather than just blindly voting for the guy who promises to "keep America safe", might be much more effective in the long run.

    21. Re:Which programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mostly agree, but you've forgotten about the inadequately secured door to the cockpit.

    22. Re:Which programs? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      I mostly agree, but you've forgotten about the inadequately secured door to the cockpit.

      #1 meant you didn't need adequately secured doors. Prior to 9/11 the pilots cooperated with hijackers, so the hijackers needed access to the cockpit.

    23. Re:Which programs? by FlamingAtheist · · Score: 1

      Instead, we have the TSA providing asinine rules

      Fixed that for you. DHS and TSA are the ones running security.

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    24. Re:Which programs? by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Which single item will prevent 911 from ever happening again. Cost quite a bit less than TSA, and is significantly more effective. Further, as proven by the "underwear" and the "show" bombers, passengers will certainly be less than cooperative for future threats onboard. So what does TSA do for us again?

    25. Re:Which programs? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Which single item will prevent 911 from ever happening again

      Well, more than one -

      1) New training for aircraft crews, so they no longer cooperate with hijackers. Just get the plane on the ground, period. This has already happened

      2) Screen for guns and bombs. Means that hijackers can't say "Open the cockpit door or I'll shoot the passengers." No need to screen for sharps - There's nothing a hijacker can do onboard with a sharp.

      So what does TSA do for us again?

      Makes Ma and Pa Kettle feel 'safe' so they continue to fly. Gives Ma and Pa Kettle the illusion of security so it appears the govt. is protecting them

      Dubious value at best.

    26. Re:Which programs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, privatize military intelligence. Done. Libertarian Jesus loves you.

    27. Re:Which programs? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Inflation factor 1992 to now, about 1.74X. 600e6/400e6/1.74 = 0.86. Military spending, not counting war expenses, has decreased by 14% in constant dollars.

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    28. Re:Which programs? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The TSA has also been caught assisting drug smugglers.

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    29. Re:Which programs? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Private security firms would have substantially less power to abuse you, and much greater liability, both personally and on a corporate basis, if they did.

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    30. Re:Which programs? by funkylovemonkey · · Score: 1

      Those numbers are already adjusted for inflation, although they are rounded.

  18. Litle reason to stop sequestration by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is little reason for current incumbents to stop sequestration, as most incumbents live in safe, gerrymandered districts and work for the ultra-rich, not the citizens.

    The correct response would be to do away with the TSA, which has never been effective (speaking from my days in counter-terrorism ops and as a combat field engineer) and to allow the rural and small airports to go to more automated flight operations. But this would affect the tax-subsidized Takers in rural and suburban America who depend on the taxes from the job-creating efficient Blue cities that subsidize the Red sloth.

    Another correct solution would be to replace increases in jet travel with high-speed trains on the growing West Coast that creates more than 40 percent of the US GDP.

    But since the West Coast only gets 6 senate seats out of 50, even with so much population, don't count on that.

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    1. Re:Litle reason to stop sequestration by Darkness404 · · Score: 0, Troll

      The problem is, any time you have government, you have an incentive to be inefficient. There's little accountability beyond a couple of years and it is very unlikely that your term will end prematurely unless you get involved in some sort of major scandal.

      With the TSA and FAA there is no real reason to improve safety because there's no competition. There's no reason to avoid slowdowns and bottlenecks because there's no competition. What needs to happen is that the TSA needs to be fully privatized and security needs to be dealt with on the airport/airline line, this would increase safety and reduce headaches. The FAA needs to have most of their responsibilities delegated to competing firms with certain standards (the competing companies need to have common protocols but should compete for which airports will hire them). Only then can air travel be saved.

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    2. Re:Litle reason to stop sequestration by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The cities would produce nothing without hinterland, because they would have nothing to trade. Read Cronon's Nature's Metropolis: Chicago and the Great West for a very thorough exploration of this topic beginning with the thoughts of Johann Heinrich von Thünen, who described the way that cities were organized. Cities exist to take advantage of the productivity of their hinterlands. Larger hinterlands make larger, and more productive, cities. And despite the early predominance of Philadelphia in American history, it was New York that rose to the top. Why? Because the Erie Canal (and, later, the railroads that paralleled it) gave New York access to the enormous and enormously productive American Great Lakes. In the context of this view, Chicago is the center of Midwestern trade, but because of old, established trade networks, its productivity flows through New York en route to the world (even though today it could use the St. Lawrence Seaway).

      After all, West Virginia and eastern Kentucky are the stereotypical Takers, but without the cheap coal they pump out, how would the Northeast power itself? Saying that cities are the engine of the economy is a very apt analogy: they are fueled by raw materials and exhaust products, but they have to have those raw materials in order to produce anything.

      As for the West Coast's Senate representation, it's your own damned fault. Read How the State Got Their Shapes (yes, it was a book first) for an explanation of how the early Californians wanted as much territory as possible to capture all the gold that might be on the eastern slope of the Sierras.

      Don't you coastal blue types ever read?

    3. Re:Litle reason to stop sequestration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, so much BS in that - it doesn't even warrant the time to discredit - too obvious.

      However, I like the idea of high speed trains on the West Coast (and East Coast for that matter). Would be a great idea!

    4. Re:Litle reason to stop sequestration by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      The problem is, any time you have government, you have an incentive to be inefficient. There's little accountability beyond a couple of years and it is very unlikely that your term will end prematurely unless you get involved in some sort of major scandal.

      Only if you are working on the presumption that anyone who runs for office is a evil prick looking out only for their own interest, and that good, honest people will never, ever work for any government, ever. If only the world were so black and white!

      With the TSA and FAA there is no real reason to improve safety because there's no competition. There's no reason to avoid slowdowns and bottlenecks because there's no competition. What needs to happen is that the TSA needs to be fully privatized and security needs to be dealt with on the airport/airline line, this would increase safety and reduce headaches. The FAA needs to have most of their responsibilities delegated to competing firms with certain standards (the competing companies need to have common protocols but should compete for which airports will hire them). Only then can air travel be saved.

      When security breaches on planes happen, they get flown into buildings. It's not something that can be handled by the airline, who will offer the most crappiest `security' to minimize cost and the least `security' to sell how convenient they are. There are more considerations at work here.

      Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.

      Oh god, I'm a dumbass! I wish I had read that before I wrote the above, so I could have saved myself the trouble and not bothered trying to make a point when you are clearly a hardliner who will defy all reason for your ideology. Instead, I would have pretended to agree with you, saying something like That right. The government has no business in this. It wasn't as if any 747s were falling out of the sky before 1958 anyway! Clearly a sign of a tyranny! RAND PAUL 2016. 20/20 hindsight, I guess.

    5. Re:Litle reason to stop sequestration by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your service.

    6. Re:Litle reason to stop sequestration by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      When you look at the moon at night and marvel at the fact that men have walked on its surface do you then immediately seethe with rage at the thought of the "theft" that paid for it?

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  19. Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    End the TSA. Used the money saved to hire back air traffic controllers to 120% of the original volume.

    Fewer jerks gate-raping us, more well-rested air traffic controllers making sure we don't collide in mid-air.

    Seems like a win-win to me.

    1. Re:Easy Solution by Darkness404 · · Score: 0

      Privatize everything. Its the only way to save air travel and bring airlines back to profitability.

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    2. Re:Easy Solution by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Yeah I could support that.

    3. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      libertarian naivete. if you don't change the reporting structure, just the billing, thats just another tax

      if the air traffic system were controlled directly by the airlines, what do you think would happen to
      safety?

      how long do you think single owner private planes would have reasonable access?

      how would it even work given that several airlines have to share an airport? separate airports
      for every airline? an auction for who gets to land or takeoff?

      keep on pleasuring yourself with that invisible hand. just saying 'the market' isn't really a meaningful suggestion in
      many cases (education, environment, research, etc)

    4. Re:Easy Solution by Nimey · · Score: 1

      libertarian naivete

      Tautology.

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    5. Re:Easy Solution by TheEyes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Privatize everything. Its the only way to save air travel and bring airlines back to profitability.

      Which is the same thing, in the private sector, as saying, "Outsource everything. The companies we send our jobs to will always have our best interests at heart."

      Look, we've tried the whole government outsourcing thing. It doesn't work; the companies we outsource to just hire substandard workers and do less work while charging the government ever increasing fees to do what once was done efficiently and well. It's the reason we don't have private police or fire departments anymore. Sure, the TSA needs some serious reforms, but privatizing the whole thing will leave us with a bigger mess than we have now.

    6. Re:Easy Solution by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      There's a reason outsourcing works.

      It's easier to hire a business in a county that doesn't have a government that throws hissy fits for not getting as much of an increase in budget as they wanted from the previous year to turn a profit than it is to hire locally, where you have to support said government through each employee.

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    7. Re:Easy Solution by deadweight · · Score: 1

      Government wrecks everything. Somali-Air has been the biggest and best airline in the world for 20 years now. Oh wait.............

    8. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just an outright lie. The few airports that are still allowed to have private security contractors (before the TSA put the kibosh on that program because they "saw no benefit" to it) consistently get higher ratings for performance and customer satisfaction.

    9. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government service outsourcing rarely works. Citations please. I've never seen a success story yet that held up over time.

      The business might not have a hissy fit but they go bankrupt instead; or they do a half ass job and please the customers instead of doing security. Bush removed the incompetent private security it was so bad before 9-11. When that evil bastard replaces private with public there must be something to it...

      Today it is still largely theater but they don't care that people are upset when they get a proper security check. Yes, naked scans and being felt up is an actual real security check -- NOT security theater. No, it's not perfect but it is far from the BS that was done before Janet took over.

      I do not support the TSA's moves and frankly do not care if I'm 90% less safe because I'm not an American coward (this is a culture of fear which makes normal people act cowardly.) Sizable bomb checks are all I'm ok with. Small bombs and weapons do not bother me; nobody is going to be pushed around by box cutters anymore (shouldn't have in the 1st place.) I'm far more likely to be harmed by a car at any point in air transit history.

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    10. Re:Easy Solution by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, we know.
      All libertarians are like Somalia, all Democrats are Stalin, and all Republicans are the Monopoly guy ( Whose name is "Rich Uncle Pennybags, btw).
       

    11. Re:Easy Solution by TheEyes · · Score: 1

      That's just an outright lie. The few airports that are still allowed to have private security contractors (before the TSA put the kibosh on that program because they "saw no benefit" to it) consistently get higher ratings for performance and customer satisfaction.

      Yeah, I know people who worked as private security in the airports before the TSA; they got better reviews because they did a bad job. People got through lines quickly and weren't harassed as much because they weren't being screened; there was a honk, a wave, and zero accountability.

      Again, I'm not saying the TSA doesn't have massive room for improvement, but it is undeniably more effective than the haphazard patchwork network we had before.

    12. Re:Easy Solution by TheEyes · · Score: 1

      There's a reason outsourcing works.

      It's easier to hire a business in a county that doesn't have a government that throws hissy fits for not getting as much of an increase in budget as they wanted from the previous year to turn a profit than it is to hire locally, where you have to support said government through each employee.

      Governments don't care about profits. Most happily spend more than they make practically every year; it's called running a budget deficit, and it's something almost all governments do. In fact it's kind of the point of modern governments; if the government were to actually make a profit, that just means that the government is sitting on a pile of money rather than using it to make the country a better place.

      No, there are two scenarios where outsourcing works (for certain values of "works"):

      1) You are too small to rate a full-time employee in a particular field (eg. a small business outsourcing IT to a consulting firm), or the company you are outsourcing to can benefit from economies of scale that you can't by yourself (ex. service contracts for analytical instrumentation)
      2) You are pulling a scam by externalizing costs, that is, you are:
      2a) Externalizing infrastructure costs, as in dodging the taxes that keep the society around you functioning,
      2b) Externalizing environmental costs, as in setting up manufacturing in a country that will let you dump toxic waste all over rather than cleaning up after yourself and relying on future generations to clean up your mess,
      2c) Externalizing labor costs, as in setting up manufacturing/service centers in a country where workers have fewer rights, a lower starting skillset, and lower starting wages.
      2d) Externalizing future capital outlays, as in getting a 1-2 year discount on this year's service, declaring a massive profit and giving yourself a huge 4th quarter bonus/boasting to the electorate about how much you saved them, knowing full well that in 2 years you'll have your golden parachute so you don't care about how much more the company will have to pay.

      Governments rarely benefit from 1), and it certainly doesn't apply to airport security. In fact the opposite is true: the TSA can benefit from a nationwide scope that private companies can't hope to match. Local governments can benefit from 1, but mostly for small analytical contracts or by partnering with large multinationals (see City of Los Angeles outsourcing email to Google).

      2a-2c pretty much don't ever apply to government outsourcing; that's more of a private industry thing. 2d is the big one, the big con job the neocons pulled off in the 2000s that saw us go from forecast surpluses to trillion dollar deficits inside of ten years. That's what government outsourcing means: it's a shell game, meant to give a politician a temporary political boost, at the cost of trillions of dollars to taxpayers.

    13. Re:Easy Solution by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Where is your head on this?

      Outsourcing works for private companies when they outsource to countries that have less monetarily oppressive governments than our own. Simple statement.

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    14. Re:Easy Solution by TheEyes · · Score: 1

      Where is your head on this?

      Outsourcing works for private companies when they outsource to countries that have less monetarily oppressive governments than our own. Simple statement.

      "Monetarily oppressive"? What does that even mean?

      Do you mean "won't take as much of your money"? If you think that, you may be surprised to know that many foreign companies use the US as a tax shelter; we have a high nominal tax rate, but since our tax system is so full of holes anyone who can employ a decent tax attorney (that is, anyone with more than a million dollars in assets who's willing to pay a few percent to said attorney) can effectively get the lowest tax rate in the industrialized world, so low that many Fortune 500 companies get money from the government, rather than the other way around.

      Or maybe you mean "won't restrict you from spending your money the way you want"? Well, in one sense that's true; in China for instance if you don't want to obey the environmental laws you're just a couple of bribes away from getting a blank check, and in Bangladesh apparently you don't ever have to worry about a building inspector noticing you have an extra five stories on your three story building. On the other hand, in China a foreign company can have all its assets seized and given to a local competitor, and the government can at any time prevent any transaction it doesn't like, and in Bangladesh you're much more likely to have your assets and/or personnel seized by marauding gangs, due to the lack of security infrastructure.

      No; this whole notion of "monetarily oppressive" is just empty rhetoric, spouted by people who make more money than you to distract you while they rewrite US tax law to better suit them. Outsourcing happens for one of two reasons:

      1) when it can save a company money, or
      2) when some pointy-haired MBA can pretend it's saving a company money, in order to rob the company blind and give himself a golden parachute.

      1) happens much less often than most people think, and even in the best case it's only a short term winner, which means it's always a loser for a government that has to think about what's best for future generations.

  20. Obama on Social Security by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    put cuts on the table just like Paul Ryan wanted. They responded by tearing into him for cutting social security. You can't win with those guys, because they're actively trying to kill the American Middle class so they can pocket the money.

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    1. Re:Obama on Social Security by bob_jenkins · · Score: 2

      If it were up to me, I'd preserve social security but gut medicare. You get more happiness per buck by feeding healthy people than by keeping sick people alive.

    2. Re:Obama on Social Security by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      I'd preserve social security but gut medicare.

      Problem: Medicare recipients vote Republican too (keep the government out of my Medicare!) Also, as soon as you suggest not covering some treatment, DEATH PANELSSzzz!1!!one.

      Honestly, I don't know which scares Republicans more, old people deciding not to support big pharma by letting themselves die instead of being kept alive on drugs and tubes, or old people deciding to be kept alive on drugs and tubes on Medicare's dime.

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    3. Re:Obama on Social Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd preserve social security but gut medicare.

      Problem: Medicare recipients vote Republican too (keep the government out of my Medicare!) Also, as soon as you suggest not covering some treatment, DEATH PANELSSzzz!1!!one.

      Honestly, I don't know which scares Republicans more, old people deciding not to support big pharma by letting themselves die instead of being kept alive on drugs and tubes, or old people deciding to be kept alive on drugs and tubes on Medicare's dime.

      Keep the government out of my medicare!
      Romney2012!

    4. Re:Obama on Social Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... keeping sick people alive.

      Unfortunately sick people still demand food and shelter. Worse, they can spread their disease to others. Although modern standards of hygiene make that difficult. (See how few people died from bird flu after a prediction of 25 million deaths.)

      Instead of passive euthanasia, real cost-cutting demands a 'death panel'. Regardless of the Political (Republican ?) FUD, there are limited health dollars and someone will decide how little you get. (See 'Sicko' by Michael Moore.) It doesn't seem to have a big impact on the rest of the planet: Countries with an 'evil' socialist medical system provide better health-care than the USA.

    5. Re:Obama on Social Security by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      How about this: We don't cut jack shit while trying to recover from the worse recession in nearly 100 years, and while the government can borrow money at a (fixed) lower interest rate than the inflation rate? How about that?

      When we've fully recovered, tax receipts will go way up (just like they went way down during the recession), and money will move back into the rest of the market, making the delta between T-Bill interest and inflation something a bit more normal. That will be a great time to start trimming government, as it will keep the economy from overheating and developing another bubble, it will be more nessecary because borrowing will actually cost something, and it will be much less painful to do because we'll have the higher tax receipts to cushion the blow.

      This is probably the second stupidest time in US history to be cutting spending. That this is Congress' priority can only be viewed as crass politics, putting some people's political ambitions ahead of the good of the Nation.

    6. Re:Obama on Social Security by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Makes too much sense. Won't possibly work.

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    7. Re:Obama on Social Security by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's help people recover from recession, unemployment, and rising costs by taking more of their money away from them. Makes perfect sense.

      Yeah, when we've recovered from this recession, and when we have more tax revenue, then we'll trim government...honest! I promise I'll go on a diet as soon as I lose all this weight!

      The fundamental problem is that some people think the good of the nation lies in the government taking over and doing things for citizens, while other people think the good of the nation lies in the government getting out of the way and letting citizens do things for themselves.

      The funny thing is, our nation didn't become the superpower it is by following the former strategy, yet some people think that's the way to recovery...

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    8. Re:Obama on Social Security by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You have just neatly and blindly reversed cause and effect.

      Before the economy recovers, businesses must see that potential profits will not be stolen from them and that onerous regulations will not continue to be applied to them. That will happen when the president isn't promoting unnamed Fascism, money is removed from regulatory agencies (in order to make it impossible to burden industries), and it is made unprofitable to not work. Only then will business invest in the future, followed by recovery of the economy. Not only is this theoretically the case, it is demonstrated historically time and again.

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    9. Re:Obama on Social Security by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

    10. Re:Obama on Social Security by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      It's logical, except we're seeing a backlash to a failure to perform on the second part of that contract.
      I'll use my state, California, as an example. When times are bad, the state government demands increased taxes to get through them. When times are good, instead of saving or viewing it as the time to make up for the increases, they simply shout "Happy days are here again" and increase spending further. Next bad times are even worse due to the increase. Repeat until infinity.
      That's why we're seeing resistance to spending during a recession. Nobody trusts their restraint during good times anymore.

  21. Re:Some math ... from an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares if the FAA is 24/7 - its workers are only working 40 hours a week.

  22. sequestration is bunk by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sequestration didn't cut squat, it just cut the amount of increase in the budget. instead of a 6% increase in spending they only got a 4% increase.

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    1. Re:sequestration is bunk by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Inflation is no longer reported but it must be above 5% or they'd start reporting it again. Politicians in the USA rarely ever set budgets to adapt to inflation rates; they like to waste more money fighting over it every single year.

  23. The Opposite of Progress... by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1

    Well, that's Congress for you. It's not like it affects them in any meaningful way. And it's not like we're going to not re-elect them, or that if we elected new representatives they'd be any better.

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  24. Summary is Wrong by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi. I'm a contractor working for the FAA.

    ALL controllers are having their hours reduced by 10%. This comes out to 1 day per 2 week pay period, or the approximately two days per month in the summary. It's not 10% of controllers being affected, it's all controllers being affected by 10%.

    And for those of you saying "Why didn't they cut other, less important budgets?"

    Well, it doesn't work that way. Every account was cut 10% across the entire FAA. This is incredibly stupid, by the way, since the much of the FAA's labor is paid for via levies on airline tickets, and so it shouldn't be affected by these general fund shenanigans (as an aside, this is why we got furloughed two years ago, because Congress wouldn't renew the airline ticket levies for political reasons). But, hey, Congress... You get what you pay for.

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    1. Re:Summary is Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. They most certaiinly had the statutory authority to spread the manpower budget however they wanted. It was, as you said, cut at that level. There are a non-trivial number of functions that the FAA really wants to stop doing, and in just about every other function the delays would be recoverable. This is most certainly a "make it hurt" maneuver. If nothing else, they don't have the entire manpower budget spent. IOW, they're lying, and making it hurt in a power play. The DOD is working under exactly the same rules, but furloughs are not going to be 10% for all civilian employees.

    2. Re:Summary is Wrong by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bullshit. They most certaiinly had the statutory authority to spread the manpower budget however they wanted.

      That's not how sequestration works. Every program was cut 10%. The DoD is avoiding furloughs by laying people off, most likely.

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    3. Re:Summary is Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the FAA should have done is just cut ALL hours for the airports around Washington.

    4. Re:Summary is Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... You get what you pay for.

      I heard you got what the Corporations paid for. In 2000, that supposedly included the President.

    5. Re:Summary is Wrong by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1

      It also included the President in 2004, 2008, and 2012, in case you haven't noticed.

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    6. Re:Summary is Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American Airlines can't keep a fight on time anyway so I don't think we will see that much of a change. I mean 1 day every 2 weeks isn't that big a deal they are just blowing it up to cause a stink. it's no different than someone calling in sick or taking vacation, you work around it and keep going.

    7. Re:Summary is Wrong by jnaujok · · Score: 1

      Gotta call Bullshit. Sequestration cut every program by 1.4%. And there was a mandatory 1.7% increase on most budgets. If we really cut all programs 10% then it wouldn't be $44B in savings this year, it would be $370B in savings. We'd still be spending over $1T we don't have, but that would be a vast improvement over the $44B we're actually cutting.

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    8. Re:Summary is Wrong by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that all of the workers in the account with the air traffic controllers do jobs that are as important and mission critical as that of the air traffic controllers? The air traffic controllers represent less than half of the workers in the account that is being cut.
      Also, why didn't the Administrator of the FAA suggest to Congress alternate cuts in the same amount spread out differently? Congress repeatedly asked all Departments for alternatives to the sequestration.

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  25. "Firefighters First" by geoffrobinson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is known as the old "Firefighters First" trick.

    You could lay off your cousin who does nothing. Or you could close the fire department. Close the fire department and ask taxes to be raised.

    Also known as the "Washington Monument" ploy.

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  26. Well then by slapout · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the FAA isn't the best one to be in charge of the air traffic control system.

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  27. The answer to government rationing is simple - pri by m6ack · · Score: 0

    Don't we realize that the same rationing that is going on in ATC is bound to occur in socialized healthcare? Don't we already realize the atmosphere in our socialized school system is failing to enable our children to compete with both those in other countries and with those educated in less well funded private schools? The solution to government control of the airports is the same as that for healthcare or schools - privatize and deregulate. Make the compulsory arm of society pull back to only doing as little as possible and let people be free to solve the problems that are consistently barriers for the socialist system. It's the right, thrifty and moral thing to do.

  28. Sequestration Theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comes to a Airport toilet nearest you.

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  30. Cuts are Significant by litehacksaur111 · · Score: 2

    You have to look at sequestration in terms of discretionary spending because that's where the cuts are made. The $85 billion represents 12.1% of discretionary spending (source Congressional Research Service). I am sure that we can all agree that a 12.1% cut overnight is pretty significant. Also with regard to the deficit, it is falling dramatically as % of GDP. Here are the relevant articles which shows that government spending as a % of GDP is also at all time lows. http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/22/news/economy/deficits/ http://www.businessinsider.com/show-these-charts-to-anyone-who-thinks-debt-spending-and-taxes-are-at-all-time-highs-2013-4

    1. Re:Cuts are Significant by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Maybe your deficit is falling because you are bringing your military home from two campaigns and your stimulus spending has stopped. Add in the fact that the economy has started to grow again which adds a bit to the tax revenue and of course you are going to get a falling deficit. Yes there have been a few cuts made. But the US is in bad shape economically speaking and needs to get things in order before things get worse. Unfortunately it seems like the politicians are more concerned about pointing fingers and getting re-elected rather than the health of their country.

    2. Re:Cuts are Significant by dywolf · · Score: 1

      This this, a million times this.
      most of the people talking about the sequester, and saying its no big deal, a lie, or didnt have to come from these sources, simply have no Fing clue what they are talking about. My favorite is the claim that the cuts are bogus because the budget is actually larger.

      They have NOT READ the bill, and they do NOT KNOW how the government budget works, and they are no better than the politicians who are viewed the sequester as a win/win proposition no matter what. They knew they can blame the other side for it, and their supporters will gladly ignore their chosen parties complicity, and the posts here on /. only prove that.

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  31. Statue of Liberty Play by mbone · · Score: 1, Troll

    The sequester is not bunk - any time you mess with an agency's funding, it will cause issues. (Plans get made in advance, hiring and other spending gets committed to, etc.) However, there seems to be an aspect of a "statue of liberty" play here. In this context, this does not refer to a football play, but to a (possibly hypothetical) Park Service tendency to respond to budget cuts by closing the Statue of Liberty, instead of some remote park entrances in the back-of-beyond.

    Statue of Liberty plays are used because they get people's attention, which the FAA has certainly done.

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  33. Austerity Measures Do Not Work by litehacksaur111 · · Score: 1

    The classic Reinhart and Rogoff paper which shows that economies slow with higher debt was shown to be falsified by a grad student recently. They excluded the period after WWII, several countries, and even had arithmetic errors in their spreadsheet. These people are frauds. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/grad-student-who-shook-global-austerity-movement.html

  34. Doesn't bother me. by TheRealDevTrash · · Score: 1

    I don't fly anyway.

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    1. Re:Doesn't bother me. by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      Driving to California to spend time with a friend next month, then driving to Arizona to run a set of SCCA Road Rallies. I live in Virginia, so this will be a significant trip. Fly? I absolutely gave that up when they started using X-rays. Nobody X-rays me but my doctor and my dentist. TSA can go chase themselves. And besides, I enjoy driving, and will probably take several thousand pictures on the way, too. America is beautiful, and taking pictures of it is the right thing to do...

  35. Re: they see me trollin', they hatin' by girlintraining · · Score: 0

    ha, don't take any offense... all political discourse (esp. on /. ) is trolling.

    It's just that the moderation quality in general has gone down on the site since it was bought out. The very knowledgable 'elite' that would guide and direct the conversation in a constructive and educational way has given way to rhetoric by wanna-be bloggers and pundits. So now when you have, say an apple fanboy or a linux fanboy post something, they're moderated based on whether the moderator agrees or disagrees with their religious preference rather than the strength of their commentary.

    In a few more months, I'll probably just stop logging in to post and start looking for alternatives to Slashdot. It's been with us for so long though... it's tough letting go.

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  36. Welcome to the Real World by EZLeeAmused · · Score: 1
    I started a more detailed post, but, why bother? In the end, people are always going to protest budget cuts that affect the things THEY want, when other things could easily be cut (which are supported by other people who think YOUR causes should have funds cut). Everybody needs to just accept that you can't pay (insert your last year's federal income tax bill) and expect (insert your last year's federal income tax bill X 2) in return, because it just doesn't work that way. So,
    1. accept it painfully as downgrading the life you imagined you should be/deserved to be living and continue to complain, or
    2. accept it as reality and think about what you can do to make it better (i.e.: in the long run my cause would be better served if they attacked the cause instead of the symptoms).
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    1. Re:Welcome to the Real World by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      They should cut 100% of air traffic control and TSA budgets, and privatize those functions. Works for me...

  37. John Boehner is the 20th Hijacker by bit+trollent · · Score: 1

    It's actually a little simpler than that...

    The Republican party held the country hostage, demanding as ransom from democrats and increase in poverty among the elderly and the infirm, among other demands which one would have assumed would only be made by a super-villain.

    Democrats refused to pay the ransom so the republican party shot the hostage, as it had promised. Now the country is a bit poorer, and our flights are a bit more likely to be delayed.

    Basically, John Boehner is the 20th Hijacker.

  38. The FAA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you meant the TSA.

    FAA keeps your planes from falling out of the sky. Its the TSA that seizes your water bottles and baby food when you try to board them, and gives billions of public dollars to their friends' corporations to make them body-scanner machines that can't actually detect hidden contraband.

  39. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Let me know when you start to get socialized health care. Making people buy health insurance is not social health care.

  40. rely by truongkdtmdt · · Score: 1

    End the TSA. thu tuc thanh lap cong tyUtilized the funds saved to employ rear end air traffic controllers to 120% of the initial volume. Less jerks gate-raping us, more well-rested air traffic controllers making sure you don't collide in mid-air. Appears like a win-win giay phep thanh lap trung tam ngoai ngu to myself.

  41. Washington Monument Syndrome by J'raxis · · Score: 1

    This is called the Washington Monument Syndrome.

  42. Add the cost to the airline tickets! by Tog+Klim · · Score: 1

    I hardly ever fly! Add the cost of air traffic controllers to the airline tickets and let the people who use the service pay for it. Stop all federal money going to it. We need more spending cuts, not less!

  43. Why is Congress not getting paycuts? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    Bi-partisian (or anti-partisian?) comment:

    Why is Congress not getting paycuts as a result of the sequester?

    Their base salary is $174K for less than 180 work days per year. (That annualized to $252K for 260.7 work days per year. And they get better benefits than most people.) For reference, the median US income is $50.5K. The leaders of the House and Senate make around $200K.

    That seems like a lot of cash for people who are barely able to complete the basic functions of their job, like passing a budget every year and keeping the country functioning smoothly.

    1. Re:Why is Congress not getting paycuts? by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      Yep, is a sad state of affairs. If I were in charge the base salary for anyone in the government would be the median + 10%. It's amazing to think about how much money the country would save if that were the case.

  44. it's a strike. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    they're just using this as a tool to get back the full budget.

    think of it as a strike 10% of the time. that's what it is. the proper, non nutjob solution would be of course to push the costs to airlines(and private flyers).

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  45. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by m6ack · · Score: 1

    Socialized healthcare = Obamacare.

  46. Government by jameshofo · · Score: 1

    Dentition: Similar to a loud foul smelling fart on a long elevator trip in your office building, you actually know who's to blame but don't say anything, and your completely powerless to do anything about it.

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  47. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by m6ack · · Score: 0

    This is is the message of what I am trying to get across, with -- granted -- much less eloquence:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbqLO1TBnGo

    That even "the goal" of a moral society is superior to the decadent bent and inevitable behaviour of socialism.

    I have to add to this... I work on productizing cell phone chips. No government agency would work as hard as my org in producing a product (LTE) that is turning out to be so beneficial to so many people's lives. Nobody in government could have predicted the utility of being able to map where they needed to be interactively, or the tremendous utility of being able to query how to defibrilate their friend at the mall in the middle of a heart attack... let alone answer the question of the next evolution of Pikachu to their son.. from their phone, or from a "Siri" equivalent... Such "frivilous" innovation is actually discouraged by active government.

  48. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by m6ack · · Score: 1

    CanadianMacFan... Your answer really bothers me... because my Mother works in a private non-profit nursing home, and she has told me the rusult of Medicare in her work... You know, I'm _certain_ you know of the insanity in your Canadian system. I've lived in China as an Expat... I know how the socialized system is there... Are you TRULY arguing for a socialist system as being superior.... or are you saying that "you aint seen nothin' yet???"

  49. uh huh by buybuydandavis · · Score: 1

    "Give us more money or something bad might happen on your flight."

    The government is increasingly giving up the pretense of being anything other than a shake down racket.

  50. congratulations you got hoodwinked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you need to realise that when politicos talk about 'budget cuts' what they really mean is 'smaller increase in spending' (but don't take my word for it, look up the actual numbers of government spending yourself)

    Axioms of governemnt budgetting:
    1) Goverment income rises every year
    2) Governementspending also rises every year (and usually by more then the income)

    every year the government budget is bigger, every year the deficit is bigger, and consequently every year the debt rises.

  51. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    I'm not arguing for a socialist government system. Why are so many people scared of having everyone given health care provided, or at least funded, from the government? After all you have public education and you aren't screaming about being socialists. I know that it's in society's interest to have a well educated work force but isn't a healthy work force also good for society?

    There are problems with the Canadian system just like there are problems with any system but it's far from insanity. Last fall I picked up an infection in my foot and it was swollen up almost 50% and turned beet red within 24 hours. I went to the ER, got diagnosed with cellulitis, and given a dose of IV antibiotics all within six hours. That day I had supplies delivered to my door for another four treatments of the antibiotics and a nurse came by to administer them starting the next day. If it hadn't been my foot I would have had to go a clinic but I was barely able to walk at the time so the home support was provided. I was told to go back to the ER for a follow-up and was put on an oral antibiotic to clear the rest of the infection. My total cost for all of that was approximately $30 for the oral antibiotics and a prescription for an anti-inflammatory. If that's the insanity of the Canadian system I will gladly take it.

    I will admit that for non-emergency cases things can take longer here than in the US. And we do have problems in certain fields such as mental health care.

  52. no-bid contracts by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    It's not just the war spending, it's how the money is spent on war spending. An already expensive situation is made even more expensive through no-bid contracts and private contractors in general. You have Halliburton and Xe (formerly Blackwater) and many other private contractors gouging the government for services that would have been much more inexpensive and efficient if still done by the military. Yes that includes all those growing numbers of no-bid contracts that this administration is continuing to hand out, just like the previous one did.

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  53. me to airlines: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    less revenue - get used to it...

    (airlines to me: more taxpayer bailouts - get used to it!) {sigh...}

  54. Shoulda stayed in school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people died. Fire all the doctors!!!

  55. Who cares any more by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    It's not going to change, we're to far down the rabbit hole at this to see the situation getting any better. The FAA has a created a model system or inefficiency and laziness that the world never thought possible. To make it from the terminal entrance to waiting for your plane, you'll need in the best case 45 minutes, and that is at a fly through pace. Now add in all the other travellers who are dumb as nails and can't figure out how to move and you can add another 5 minutes on for each one of them.

    Personally I don't care how long it takes me to travel, it's not going to get any better so I may as well not complain but for the love of god can people hurry the hell up? Most of the delay is caused by moronic passengers who move slow, take extra time, can't figure out how to walk through the scanners or use baggage tickets and etc.... If we take the FAA out of the picture, most of the delays you experience at an airport are caused by friggen people who can't walk and talk at the same time and it's sad to say that is most of the people! My personal biggest Pev is when I'm waiting to get to the scanner only to see the ( usually woman ) person infront of me take 10 minutes to carefully set out everything in the bins, then get undressed and have a nice slow pace at that. By the time your at the scanner you should have your pants and shirt on, everything in the bin ready to go and your ready to walk. It would speed everything up so much that people would stop complaining almost entirely about the slow service.

    In fact I would create time limits where you have less then 1 minute from the moment you step up to the bin to have everything off and ready to walk, you don't need any longer, after all you've been standing in line at this point for ever.

    1. Re:Who cares any more by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      ... for the love of god can people hurry the hell up?

      Why the hell should I rush? Just because you want to rush everywhere doesn't mean that I need to. You want to go faster? Walk around me. Or work to change the laws that make you stand in a security line behind me. Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around you and your desire to go faster.

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    2. Re:Who cares any more by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      Have you been stuck behind someone in the security line who takes 10 minutes to gently lay everything in the bins then they take another 5 minutes to get undressed so they can walk through the machines. Of course they forget that they can't have metal in there pockets and I have to wait again. The world doesn't revolve around me but I'm sure not going to be happy when I have wait for people who are to slow to function.

  56. Hey FAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Customers complaining? Get used to it.

  57. Spend it wisely? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there any indication that if they had more money to spend they would spend it wisely? [Clearly not]

    Sequestration was Obama's idea so that he wouldn't have to agree to any cuts in planned INCREASED spending with congress. Any deal here would have been written into law.

    Sequestration cuts INCREASED spending by 5% across the board. It does not cut year to year spending. It does not lower the total spending from last years number.

    How the FAA decides to reduce their burn was left up to them. They choose as did most of the Executive branch under the Presidents direct authority to reduce visible public services instead of reducing questionable outlays. This is the same as your town hall crying for money for the police/fire/schools while paying the dog catcher $250k/y for part time work.

  58. Re: they see me trollin', they hatin' by spiralx · · Score: 1

    No, I've been here over a decade, and by and large it's the same as it ever was - there's just more people and a broader range of topics and views. And there's way less in the way of outright crap than there was ten years ago.

  59. Embarrasing for America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not cut some of the aid to US regime sponsored terrorists instead? or what about some cuts to the military budget? or what about some of the aid to Goldman Sachs - no? that would be striking right to the heart of the regime. Things that impact ordinary people just don't matter, in a corporate dictatorship. I'm just glad I'm not american.

  60. Privatize by rally2xs · · Score: 1

    Privatize airport security, privatize air traffic control, problem solved.

    1. Re:Privatize by captbob2002 · · Score: 1

      yup, 'cause that privatized health insurance system is working so damn well for everyone.

    2. Re:Privatize by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      Yep, prolly would, if they weren't limited in number, but had to compete with 100 others everywhere they operated.

  61. Get the FAA out of the ATC business. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Canada has had great success taking air traffic control out of the bureaucrats' hands.

    -jcr

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  62. Libraries of Congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like we measure data in "Libraries of Congress" we ought to measure government spending in "F-35" units, to highlight that the boondoggle airplane is the place to cut. A worker's yearly salary would be some fraction of an F-35's cost. As a bonus, this is automatically indexed for inflation, since the F-35 keeps getting more expensive.

  63. All for nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US government is still spending *MORE* money this year than last year. And Obama wants everyone to think that they are spending less by cutting services like this. Yep, he's a different kind of politician alright.

  64. The rich by mikefocke · · Score: 1

    Figure out what it takes at today's interest rates to generate $50k a year and it isn't $500k.

    If you are 70 and the amount of money that you take out of an IRA is $30k per year, it takes nearly $1m to fund that and then you pay taxes on the $30k. So you better have more than $1.5m in investment assets to retire at 65 and take out $50k because you project to live another 30 or so years. And that doesn't account for much inflation beyond the norm over your 30 years and historically you'll see a stretch that will seriously affect your nest-egg.

    So criteria #1 is invalid, not in concept but because the numbers are way too low.

    How much do you have in your savings accounts for retirement. Go to one of the calculators and do the math. Scary for most when the average savings is less than $100k.

    1. Re:The rich by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      I'm lucky to be able to save enough to fund a comfortable retirement in my old age. But I really do wonder what life will look like when I hit retirement age. Successful retirement depends a lot on compound interest and consistent contribution over very long periods of time.

      With so much of the country today living paycheck-to-paycheck, or with hardly any savings, time is running out for them to save for their retirement, and the longer they wait the harder it gets. What happens to the savers when the majority of the population hasn't saved?

      I don't want to be unnecessarily alarmist, but wouldn't that future require either: 1) millions and millions of homeless retirees dying on the streets of American or 2) a catastrophically large expansion of welfare far above current levels to cover an unfunded generation?

    2. Re:The rich by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      To continue from my previous post, Specifically, it's stuff like this thatscares me about the future:

      "According to the 2012 report published by the Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI), the average savings by age group are as follows:

        Workers younger than 35 have an average of $6,000 in savings
        Individuals between 35 and 44 have about $22,500
        Workers between the ages of 45 and 54 have slightly less than $44,000
        Those aged 55 and 64 (the baby boomers), have saved around $65,000
        People over the age of 65 have about $56,000"

      Someone please tell me that these statistics are exaggerating the problem and that I don't have the proper context for this issue.

  65. Also, DoD *is* furloughing employees by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 2

    Congress gave them some extra money to put it off for a while, but they still are planning furloughs for civilian employees. So, yeah, GP was full of shit...

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  66. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by captbob2002 · · Score: 1

    ... After all you have public education and you aren't screaming about being socialists....

    You are not paying close enough attention. After dumbing-down curriculum as much as possible, adding useless standardized high-stakes tests, vilifying and demoralizing teachers and choking the school systems for funding (unless FOOTBALL might get cut) many twits are whining about the failure of our socialized, public education systems. Some like to go on about how the charter schools do a better job of educating children - despite the fact the the kids end up doing worse on those standardized tests, teachers are paid less, but the owners get to pocket the money as profit that should be paying for education - oh, and they get to share it with some elected representatives.

    I do love how they bring up the boogeyman of rationing health care, what the hell do you think we have now? Clearly some have never gone without some kind of health insurance in their lifetime or they'd already know about rationing.

  67. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by captbob2002 · · Score: 1

    You either need to read-up on "Obamacare" or socialized healthcare.

    Here is a hint to get you started - "single payer" ( which is not part of "Obamacare.")

  68. Re: they see me trollin', they hatin' by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    OK, well, have fun at ArsTechnica. But someday you'll be back... and you'll be browsing at -1 like the other diehards :-P

    And who knows, maybe even someday you'll figure out how to appease our moderator overlords.

    Actually, glancing at http://slashdot.org/~girlintraining/comments/ , you have a pretty decent record for getting upmodded.

  69. And when there's an accident... by tekrat · · Score: 1

    So when two planes slam into each other on the runway because there weren't enough traffic controllers, can we FINALLY charge the entire Congress, both democrat and republican with TERRORISM???

    Because their inability to work together killed those people as surely as if there had been someone on board with a bomb.

    Why do I have to take my shoes off at an airport, but, some congressional wanker with an axe to grind because the president is black cripples safety protocols for all Americans, yet, they won't cut a dime from that white elephant costing trillions, the F-35 joint strike fighter. Oy.

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  70. Last Satuday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last Saturday I arrived at Miami coming from Sao Paulo. After an 8 flight we all had to spend an additional four hours to go through passport control, Americans and foreigners alike. On our feet. Pregnant women, children, senior citizens were all on the same boat. No one could believe it.

  71. A couple of line items to consider by Rastl · · Score: 1

    Step 1 - Stop all money going to foreign aid. Problems here mean we need the money more.

    Step 2 - Petition the UN for enormous amounts of aid. Let's see how the rest of the world likes it when we don't open the tap and demand they pony up.

    Step 3 - Eliminate the TSA and go back to private firms providing airport security. Let the airports hire local people as they see fit.

    Step 4 - Reduce welfare to child-only benefits after 6 months. That was the original intention. Let's go back to it.

    I wonder how much money would go back into vital services if even a couple of these were done. I didn't touch the issue of pork projects because of the cost involved with deciding which ones were 'pork' and that all of them would be kept in place while more were introduced with the resolution.

  72. Give me some of what you're smoking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Z was bad when candidate X did it but candidate Y is doing it so it's okay?

  73. Better analogy - trying to shed 100 lbs by lordofthechia · · Score: 2

    Side A: We can only reach our weight loss goals by only cutting calories from meat.
    Side B: We can only reach our weight loss goals by increasing exercise. Also cutting carbs would help.

    Side A: You'll never get us to exercise more than is absolutely necessary! Give up the meat!
    Side B: OK, how about this. We cut some carbs, eat a little more lean meat, and exercise a little more to stay healthy?

    Side A: We won't discuss anything involving exercise.
    Side B: Fine, for now lets agree to cut all food intake by 10% across all food groups until we reach an agreement.

    Body: Umm... guys? I need more iron and vitamin C....

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    1. Re:Better analogy - trying to shed 100 lbs by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      It's hard to take you seriously when you compare exercise to tax increases. Exercise is good for you.

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  74. any agendas here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This morning while at the gym I flipped to MSNBC while they were talking about the FAA.
    Knowing the recent history of FAA shutdowns (eg: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/05/senate-to-hold-short-session-to-pass-faa-authorization/) I was interested.

    They started talking about how air travel customers are upset, flashed some statistics on the screen about how the FAA is being “cut” 4% while air traffic controllers have been cut by 10%, then the male goes on to say how he is upset with congress and the president on this, but more about congress because they didn’t pass the gun control legislation! How stupid is he? How stupid does he think his watchers are??

    It is fairly obvious doing simple math that (as many have commented here) like the two week partial shutdown, An effective/realtively agendaless executive branch could have managed this with NO pain to the public.

  75. Fiscal Year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep in mind, the government fiscal year runs October-September. The sequester was originally supposed to start at the beginning of the fiscal year. Then it was postponed - twice - to March. In the meantime, all government agencies apparently spent at a rate of 100% of the pre-sequester levels. Now that the sequester is in effect, they have to reduce the rate of spending by about twice what they'd otherwise have to, since there's only half a year left. Also, with only half a year left, there's no point in laying people off or canceling contracts; the costs of doing so outweigh the savings. Starting in October, though...

  76. blackmail by stenvar · · Score: 1

    Obama could easily lessen the impact of the sequester, and Americans would notice that the government works just fine at growth levels that are slightly lower than what he wants. Obama is basically just blackmailing the American people into trying to support his political agenda.

  77. They've done a great job dissuading me from flying by Control-Z · · Score: 1

    Naked scanners, tickets costing hundreds of dollars, smaller seats, all the rules for what you can and can't carry, long lines. No thanks I'll drive whenever possible.

  78. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    People are no longer allowed to buy healthcare insurance, under Obamacare all plans sold under the name "insurance" are merely cost distribution schemes.

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  79. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    The US doesn't hardly have mental health care; at least you have problems in it- that is better than nothing. Our congress does not even get it and they NEED it!

  80. Irrelevent, the effects are real by Zynder · · Score: 1

    And that response is the same thing as a 4 year old plugging their ears and saying "nanannananannana I can't hear you." Even if the math & ideology point to a reduction in future spending, which they do and you point out, out here in the Real World where I live, jobs are being cut. I know. I got laid off because of this. So just because you wanna scream that it's just less money than you were gonna spend doesn't make the effects any less significant. This is affecting real people with real families to feed and those people at the top who pushed this down on us conveniently made themselves immune. Stop cheerleading this bullshit. You're part of the problem and by the looks of how 'Insightful' fellow Slashdotters have modded you, we got a lot of assholes in here.

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  83. You're making a common error. by raehl · · Score: 1

    and see that the higher income groups do, in fact, pay more in income taxes.

    Except they don't. The problem here is that politicians are very sneaky, and it appears you've fallen for the trick: There is the Income Tax, and then there are taxes on income. They are not the same, but people (especially republican politicians) like to use them interchangeably. Most of the time, when a politician says "income tax", they are excluding the payroll tax, which is a big federal tax on all income... from wages, i.e. actually working.

    To get an idea of the net effect of federal taxes, below are marginal tax rates for different types of income:

    Income from wages: 25.6 to 43.6% (income tax plus payroll tax)
    Interest: 10% to 35%
    Short term capital gains: Same as interest.
    Dividends and Long Term Capital Gains: 15%
    Carried Interest: 15%
    Tax-exempt municipal bonds: 0%

    So while SOME of the "rich" (like doctors) pay a pretty high tax rate, most of the filthy rich ("investors") pay a very low 15% rate on their income. That's why Romney's rate is so low.

    Again, many of the rich pay a much, much lower federal tax rate on their income than most of the middle class.

    1. Re:You're making a common error. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of ranting, but really no facts. IRS tax filing records aren't lies - the top earners pay a LOT higher rate than the middle class. Assume the top earners pay zero FICA/SSI, and someone in the middle pays full amount - that's only a 7.62% change, the top earners still pay more on average. Facts are difficult things to overcome - show your work, please!

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  84. Re:The answer to government rationing is simple - by labnet · · Score: 1

    And what is wrong with socialised health care?
    The rest of the modern world uses it.

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  86. My heart bleeds for the FAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe my math is off, but... They say "10% of air traffic controllers for two days or so per month". Assuming 20 working days per month, that's 10% of lost days for 10% of the workforce, or 1% of the workforce lost. Now consider that air traffic controllers get 13 sick days per year, so on a typical day, 5.42% of the workforce is out sick (13/12/20=5.4%). Take away two sick days per year, and now only 4.58% of the workforce is out sick, just about making up for the 1% lost due to "sequestration". I guess those generous government benefits are hard to give up...

  87. CONGRESSIONAL SALARY CUTS NOW!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Every Congressman and Senator receives a salary cut immediately.

    2) No Congressman or Senator shall enjoy any retirement benefit without governmental service in excess of 15-20 years; in the alternative, their retirement benefits shall be determined on a sliding scale based on the number of years they're in service

  88. FAA, Sequestration etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gosgog:
    For some of you, like "cohiba/vancouver", who have your heads so far up your asses, Social Security, is self funding....however... it is ADMINISTERED by those with their Heads so far up everyone else's Asses (namely Congress & Senators), who are not even in the Social Security System. They're reasons for spending the monies of Us who are Real Members, (we paid to get into it, its our money), is so they can FUND those already In the U.S. & COMING IN FROM ELSEWHERE, who claim to have nothing! Not only that, they get MORE BENEFITS from our Funds, than do us members. Do they wanna spend their pensions (Congress &Senate) to FUND those ALREADY In & Incoming....F@*%#$$K NO!!