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Linux 3.9 Released

hypnosec writes "After a week's delay Linux 3.9 has finally been made available by Linus Torvalds. Last week Torvalds released the rc8 stating that he wasn't 'comfy' releasing the final version yet and that 'another week won't hurt.' Torvalds noted in this week's announcement that last week had been very quiet as there were not many commits and the ones which were there were 'really tiny' so he went ahead with the release of Linux 3.9."

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  1. Interesting but... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's not in TFS, not in TFA... what's new in 3.9?

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    1. Re:Interesting but... by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the almighty google (but yeah a link in theTFS would be the least you'd expect)
       
        What's new in Linux 3.9

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    2. Re:Interesting but... by MrDoh! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jboots have been nerfed?
      No idea, usually a list, only thing I'm seeing is;
      http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1304.3/02009.html

      That's more 'techy stuff fixed' rather than the shiny stuff mentioned.

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    3. Re:Interesting but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    4. Re:Interesting but... by RandomFactor · · Score: 2

      Ahhh, waiting for the AC.

      They sure upped the spawn rate on Slashdot though...

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    5. Re:Interesting but... by yossarianuk · · Score: 2
    6. Re:Interesting but... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      That mail is just what's in the last RC, which should be very very tiny fixes. The big stuff happened back in the merge window a few months ago.

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  2. These version numbers are getting like Firefox by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    You have no real idea unless you read the release notes in depth whether 3.8 to 3.9 is a big change or just a bunch of relatively small incremental changes and bug fixes and Linus just fancied upping the minor version number.

    1. Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IMO just like Photoshop or Office, Linux kernel has been "ready" for a long time already. So every release can be just accounted to be "a little bit more of the same", some bug fixes, an odd device driver or the filesystem of the month. No big changes, you just get the latest refresh.

    2. Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Really - I have felt the whole 3.x.x line has added lots of interesting new features with each second decimal point release. I guess some btrfs stuff might fall under filesystem of the week. But if you do any prototyping or visualization with Linux containers and the like btrfs improvements have been pretty interesting; as has the container specific stuff like kernel namespace enhancements.

      Honestly I think there have been more interesting developments along the way in 3.x than there were from 2.4 -> 2.6.

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    3. Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Honestly I think there have been more interesting developments along the way in 3.x than there were from 2.4 -> 2.6.

      I totally agree, but it's also fair to say that the efforts towards correctness from 2.4 to 2.6 have enabled the feature work happening in 3.x. I was just reading through the Xen commit about the feature to hot-plug new memory and CPU devices, and it's really so dependent on linux being able to say, "oh, you have a new memory module? OK, fine." which wasn't always the case.

      And now for the flame-inducing observation: I think that through much of the 2000's, the BSD folks had a more mature and correct operating system to build on and that allowed them to add new features (e.g. pf, jails, zfs, dtrace) in an easier and faster way and we greatly benefited from that during that time period. Sure, linux had more drivers, but there was a fair bit of ugly kernel code to be faced. As of some point in the past couple years, linux has caught up, and now most of the really interesting new stuff (e.g. user namespaces) is probably going to be on linux, as that's where the momentum is. It'll probably be another three years before this becomes really obvious. Certainly there are still parts of linux with ugliness that need some TLC - I'm just talking about an inflection point, not an endpoint.

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    4. Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox by LordLimecat · · Score: 3

      Does it really matter that much to you whether its 3.9 or 3.8.1.24.96?

      The number is incrementing at the same rate it used to, they just got rid of the stupid digit in the middle which ceased having any meaning years ago. Linux has been using the third digit as "minor" revision for years now, and they no longer do even-odd versioning with the second digit.

      Seriously, everyone with a hangup about version numbers, get over yourself.

    5. Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox by jones_supa · · Score: 3

      I kind of like the Ubuntu and MATLAB version numbering as it doesn't even pretend to be anything else than a simple date. I wonder if it could work great for projects like Linux or Firefox too -- projects that don't have clear major/minor cycles but which just keep on improving linearly. It has the bonus that you can see the release date quickly from the version.

  3. Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well that's how the progress bar counts so I don't see why it shouldn't be valid for everything else.

    1... 2... many... 98%... 5... done

  4. 3.9 includes by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Informative

    Among other things 3.9 includes experimental kernel-level Raid 5 and 6, caching slow of storage devices by fast ones, support for more graphics cards and audio devices, as well as improved power management.

    1. Re:3.9 includes by danbob999 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Linux already had kernel-level Raid 5 and 6. It is usable with mdadm. The new feature is that BTRFS, a filesystem, now supports Raid 5 and 6 without using the software-raid layer in the kernel.

    2. Re:3.9 includes by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      BTRFS, a filesystem, now supports Raid 5 and 6 without using the software-raid layer in the kernel

      [link to the "rampant-layering-violations" rant about ZFS from several years ago]...

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  5. Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    What's wrong with that? That's how release candidates are supposed to work. You already do all your testing before the first rc. After releasing an rc you wait for anyone downstream to report problems. If there are no reports then that your final stage of QA is done and you accept the candidate.

  6. So what's new? by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Informative
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    1. Re:So what's new? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2

      I thought we generally point to Kernel Newbies: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.9

      Never heard of H Online. Is this another site we're using now?

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  7. New in Linux 3.9 by jrepin · · Score: 2

    KernelNewbies isn't reachable at this time so a nice review of cool new features in Linux 3.9 is available at The H Open.

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  8. awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This version includes my patches for large HOSTS file support. Previously, the kernel used a fixed buffer size for the HOSTS file entries. relatively largeish (1 million+ entries) overflowed it and entries were dropped. 3.9 will dynamically resize (zero-copy algorithm) so the Linux KERNEL now officially has the best HOSTS file support anywhere.

    1. Re:awesome! by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      *plop* the decapitated body of yet another HOSTS file troll victim hits the floor

  9. Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! by kernelistic · · Score: 3, Funny

    You omitted the most epic part of the Windows family: Windows ME!

  10. Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! by binarylarry · · Score: 2

    Actually Windows NT kernel is only on 6.2, not 8.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_NT

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  11. Re:SSD caching - awesome by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's been around in the form of bcache for ages now and bcache is considered stable -- it is already in production-use. It's a pretty nifty thing, can be configured to your needs to quite a large degree and it's smart enough not to cache large, sequential reads/writes. If you're interested check out http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/ and http://atlas.evilpiepirate.org/git/linux-bcache.git/tree/Documentation/bcache.txt?h=bcache-dev

  12. on dm-cache, bcache, etc by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Thanks for the link. I chased down the dm-cache stuff a bit, looking at it vs. bcache, which we'll see in June, probably. The primary differences seem to be that dm-cache is a bit more generic and easier to work with and it allows some manual allocation of the different types of disk data to be cached, while bcache seems to be targeting SSD's specifically, with wear-leveling sensitive write patterns, use of TRIM, and in-kernel code to validate the cache drives for preventing stupid user tricks.

    EnhanceIO might also be targeting 3.10, which is a descendant of flashcache, which uses the layered device approach, while dm-cache and bcache are side-loaded. EnhanceIO uses udev rather than in-kernel code to prevent the stupid user tricks. I got the sense that 3.10 was possible for EnhanceIO but not as certain as bcache.

    I'm current using flashcache on my non-ZFS systems; it looks like I'll be waiting for 3.10 and use bcache for my next upgrade.

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    1. Re:on dm-cache, bcache, etc by Lennie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      bcache can't be side-loaded though. :-( You need to format the HDD for bcache you can add/remove the SSD whatever you want after that though. But I expect bcache to be the fastest. As an indication the developer also needed to change/optimize parts of the block layer in the kernel before bcache could be added.

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  13. Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 2

    What I was saying was that there is a world of difference between a wishy-washy statement of "I guess" and an explicit "I believe".

    Firstly, when it comes to kernel testing, no news is usually good news. But it's never a sure thing, and it's hard for one person to test it all.

    Second, the newest kernel release is usually considered "bleeding edge", at least as far as enterprise goes. It's never a sure thing. Implying it's a sure thing and will for sure not catch your datacenter on fire is probably a Bad Idea.

    Thirdly, who cares if Linus says "guess" or "believe". Both translate to exactly the same thing to me, given the context: "I'm pretty sure this is ok, but don't use this until you've backed up your important cat pictures." It's well known he's a bit bunt. Shit man, just be happy he didn't insult your mother in the header.

  14. Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! by Anomalyst · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about Bob?

    Im SAILING!!!!!

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  15. Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? by HiThere · · Score: 2

    I really don't know what you expect. The only time I'd expect him to say "Upgrade NOW!" is if there were something very wrong with the prior release.

    Perhaps you've been too immersed in advertisements, so that anything that isn't an ad doesn't sound right? I've NEVER been totally comfortable about any program I've written, and the things I write are small pieces compared to a kernel.

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  16. Re:Finally! by TheCycoONE · · Score: 2

    That android developers can run Goldfish with a native kernel to simulate a virtual Android device and thus write apps a little bit easier?

  17. Single Point of Failure by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    An over-the-top subject line no doubt, but as a Linux (LMDE) home user, I am a little concerned about this wonderful OS ecology apparently in just one Torvalds-shaped basket. It seems odd to me that this experience - where community involvement is so beneficial - has a single person that has total thumbs up / thumbs down power.

    Yes, this is mostly Linus' baby, but assuming he's not immortal, how much planning is going into the inevitable transition? History is littered with examples of rapid decline / fall / outright war (aka forking) after the strong, hands-on founder is gone. I don't want something as precious as Linux to be destroyed in interneciene BS as that is just what its many enemies desire and will outright foment.