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Samsung Testing 5G Phones With 1gbps Download Speed
Gumbercules!! writes "While many smartphone users are still on 3G and are waiting for 4G to be available, Samsung is now testing 5G networks, capable of getting speeds up to 1gbps. Obviously, we're years away from seeing these in the wild (the company is shooting for 2020) but it's still an amazing improvement over what many people are experiencing now."
Wouldn't a small amount of these phones flood a wireless spectrum? It would not take many people in an area until the speed is chopped down significantly.
Or do they have poor range and expect femtocells everywhere? But why not just WiFi at that point?
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Just what do you need 1gps on your phone for?
The technical definition of 4G requires 1Gbps stationary and 100Mbps while moving. The network tech mentioned in the article is thus 4G.
Notice that current '4G' technologies are usually called '4G LTE' in advertisements, to try to get around the established non-marketing definition.
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was is this?
So I guess I will ask the question every ones really about....
So how is this going to help with the progress of boner pill technology or say make my iPad faster?
The second article notes that the 5G tests are being conducted on the 28GHz Ka microwave band. They also note that they're using a 64 element antenna array.
While those upper microwave bands are great in that you can get very wide channels (possibly hundreds of megahertz wide), their downfall is that they are incredibly line of sight restricted. This is compounded by significant atmospheric absorption. That's why many broadcasters on the band tend to use highly directional antennas. For omnidirectional use, you're going to have to deploy a lot of picocells.
Also for their tests, are they using the large number of antennas for MIMO beamforming (additive RF amplification), MIMO spacial multiplexing (parallel RF feeds slightly out of phase of each other) or old fashioned directional transmission (or a combi of all three?). How much additional cost is that? Even with fractal antennas on short wavelengths, how many of them can you fit in a handset?
With 5g we can use 500mb of months data in a few days as we wait for our 25mb copper line to be fixed. :)
Just think of the speed over a few days.... and the per mb fines if you go over
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Must we really publish brain farts from a fanboi on slashdot's front page? This "news item" is completely substance free. No description of technology, no links, no science, no official announcement from someone you might believe. It uses terms that don't exist - there is no 5G - or at least the mob responsible for naming GSM, 3G, 4G, LTE, LTE Advanced doesn't have one yet. And there is nothing particularly special about 1Gbps download speed. LTE Advanced already does that if is has around 67MHz of bandwidth available, and you are the only one using the cell.
So let me see, what is there that could justify its position on the front page? Oh I see now - a baseless jibe at a Apple. That's OK then.
was is this?
what you have is faster 3g.
sure, the marketer might have called it 4g though. blame him. and if he had his way, we would be at 8g.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
"4G" since 2009? Or "4G LTE?"
From TFS: "capable of getting speeds up to 1gbps"
That's 0.125 GBps so 8 seconds for a GB. You need at least 80 seconds to hit your 10GB cap which is more than one minute. This sounds much fairer now.
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These Samsung guys are the new Microsoft with all the hype about non existing products. Can't they just tell us when they have a product for sale? I want to know what I can buy today, not what I might or might not be able to buy in 7 years time!
lol, when 5g comes out... it will be almost guaranteed that the dumb wireless companies will realize the error of their ways and start offering unlimited data again.(im still grandfathered on my at&t phone)
In similar news, AT&T is expected to soon launch it's 5G 1Gbps network nationwide with speeds expected to reach *up to* 10Mbps. Rollout is expected to begin as soon as 5G/1GBps icons and logos are complete.
This is a marketing ploy - like so many technologies - to convince people to buy the "next best thing."
3g speeds are crap.
4g speeds will be crap.
5g speeds will be crap.
idiots who believe they'll see anything NEAR the speeds being gushed about deserve to be milked.
What's an iPad?
I've heard people mention it. Is it some kind of antique Android tablet for old people and Americans?
I am still grandfathered on my AT&T phone, but I can hit 5GB in a day, then the rest of the month I'm throttled down to less than edge speed.
Nobody likes a smart ass. Now go to your room. God help me if I hear you using your abacus.
The standard set for 4G was way too high. It isn't like you can just say "We want something to work at this speed!" It is complex, and it is getting harder with wireless because you are working in an environment where you only have so much frequency and shitty SNR. You can't just throw more spectrum at the problem generally.
The thing is 4G, as it is marketed today, or 3GPP LTE as the ITU would like it is a big step up. If you've played with it on a network that implements it well, it is major. I was amazed at how much faster things were when Verizon turned it on in my area (I already had a phone that was ready for it). It is a generational kind of upgrade, not an incremental one, to consumers. So it makes sense to call it something they understand.
Remember labeling isn't all just "marketing" it is also about having shit people can understand. The concept of a wireless "generation" got introduced with 3G phones and people understood it pretty well: 3G phones were a lot faster than their old phones that they now knew were 2G. Makes sense. So it also follows that 4G phones will be faster still.
I really don't like it when new standards get set arbitrarily high and then there's a hissing match over naming and so on. Part of naming should be something to keep it clear to consumers. Don't ask them to go do a ton of research and understand arcane acronyms and so on.
I think it is reasonable to say "Every time we have a big increase in speed due to a change in technology for mobile phones, we'll call it a 'G' increase." LTE really is a new generation of phones. It is much faster, requires new consumer equipment, requires new tower equipment, etc. That it wasn't as fast as the ITU hoped is kinda silly.
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its 2 Kilometres distance so its a repackaging of WiMAX... and we all know how well that turned out...
now personally I prefer the 1.05 Petabit/s that fibre will provide... though thats in development oh wait thats what this wireless speed is in "development"
cheers
John
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Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
What's the point of 5G?
My current 3G already gives me 42Mbps - until I hit the cap. Then I get stuck with "fair use" speeds for the rest of the month.
When I look for my next mobile internet provider, the "top speed" isn't of any interest to me. All I care about is the speed that I get unlimited access at, once my top speed allowance has been used up, and the price.
Without my provider investing heavily in backbone infrastructure, they could offer me 100G internet and it wouldn't make any difference. As far as real-life usage patterns go, (X)G is just a silly buzzword designed to sell electronics and expensive limited data packages that I don't want or need.
Interesting, What kind of third world country do you live in that has a Data Cap? Don't you have companies (Here (Ireland) we have Three (that's the company name)) that offer unlimited data?
Yes, I am on Three, also with unlimited data. Their support page tells you about it.
Silly human. When your mind is the Internet, you don't have to worry about bandwidth anymore. This message was brought to you at the cost of only a few Yottobits of autonomous SPAM relays.
Personally I prefer the unlimited bandwidth quantum computing provides -- when you make each atom in the universe part of the calculation. What's this "technology" of yours that is "in development"?
was is this?
No you didn't. 4G is a technology, not only a speed. I too had high-speed 3G+, which some "clever" marketeers (including Apple) started claiming to be 4G. It's like saying you have Firewire because you have a faster USB..
unlimited? not a chance in hell.
but they will sell larger packages...
now: $25 for 2gb, $50 for 5gb (approx/typical)
soon: $100 for 10gb, $200 for 25gb, $500 for 100gb -- per month, no rollover.. and of course, 24 month contract required with penalty for downgrading data package during the contract term.
and dont forget that the fastest speeds will only be available in the largest, most densely-populated (and/or affluent) areas (new york city, chicago, dc/nova, etc.. in north dakota or wyoming, they'll still sell those bigger packages, even though with constant 24/7 downloading it could take a half-year or more to use up 100gb.
5GB in a day on your phone? WTF are you doing on it?
The spectrum isn't the issue. Yay, a phone that can do 1Gbps. Now get 10 of them doing that on the same tower. Then 100. Then do 100 on 50 different towers. Then do that in 100 metro service areas.
At least here in North America, the telco's barely have the backhaul to deliver service that could be classified as 4G. They aren't going to be dropping in multi-link 10GbE into every cell tower just because people want to browse the FaceTubes that much faster.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
You forgot about network overhead.
From TFS: "capable of getting speeds up to 1gbps"
That's 0.125 GBps so 8 seconds for a GB. You need at least 80 seconds to hit your 10GB cap which is more than one minute. This sounds much fairer now.
Holy crap, what is the magical carrier you speak of that has a 10GB cap!?
You're both wrong. A bit of common sense here; you need to consider the media to which this data is written. It's too much data for RAM on a phone, and if you stream video it will possibly be a hundred times too fast. So you cannot write to RAM and discard anything over your total free amount... So you're still limited by roughly 30MB/sec of your high quality nand flash phone storage. So...your 5G, 1Gbps download (125MB/sec theoretical) would slow down to 30MBps (IF you're lucky) and you would saturate your 10GB allowance (if you have the space) in just over 5:40 minutes. Now...factor in real life and you'll realise that it's "up to 1Gbps" and only in certain areas, in good weather, when you're not death gripping your phone. So as I said, you're both wrong.
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A couple movies on Netflix will do that.
My carrier offers unlimited with tethering too!
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
I recently got a 500 MB per month high speed data plan. I used the speed test app to test the speed. I blew through half my quota in speed tests alone. The test was for a fixed duration, not the fixed amount of data. At 1Gbps speed, I would have gone over the limit in just test!
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5G, 4G, it matters not. 5G would just allow one to blow through one's data plan allotment that much faster. I can see the carriers foaming at the mouth now in gleeful anticipation of millions of ignorant "subject" eating through their data plans and incurring the dreaded overcharges (or the lesser evil of throttled speeds).
High speeds are great for consumers, but what people don't realize is that data is cheap, cheap, cheap for carriers to offer. Most of it is peering networks anyway, and it cost them pennies to the dollars they spend to provide it.
What is so evil about giving high speeds for a relatively inexpensive price? The notion that profit should be limitless has to stop.
I almost wish the federal government was the ISP/carrier. For the tinfoil-headed among you, they already know about you what they want and can get the balance with an alacrity and ease that would stun you. You have more to fear from Google than you do from Uncle Sam. Really.
When they implement this it will only take my kids 6 seconds to chew through my data cap.
Maybe by 2020, I'll have a home broadband connection that is 100Mb.
Fido in Canada just started bragging about doubling their data cap... to 400MB/mo. We seriously need some competition up here.
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What is the typical cap in North America? 20GB at $23 here in St. Petersburg, Russia, from Megafon (http://spb.megafon.ru/tariffs/options/skidki_na_internet/mobile_internet.html). This is 3G though.
I live in a Third World Country called "America" where AT&T & Verizon no longer sell unlimited (Some smaller carriers like Sprint/TMobile still have it as an option... or "Grandfathered" plans on Verizon/AT&T). Downside, is that Sprint/TMobile have crappy networks with lots of holes. Where I live, they aren't options unless I want to have no signal as often as not.
This makes me laugh. (Tiered Data Plans) Ã-- (Teen) + (1gbps speed) = Ability to send mom and dad to the poor house in a matter of seconds without the time to intervene in high usage situation.
2GB/month but if you're a good talker you may get 4GB/month at the same cost. I myself am still on Verizon unlimited from being grandfathered in 2 years ago. They did away with unlimited 2 months after I got my contract. There are two other carriers that still offer unlimited data but one of them (T-Mobile) still has limited coverage in outlying areas. Sprint being the other, well in my area they are pure shit. A guy I work with has a hard time making or receiving calls from mid-late afternoon due to over selling in this area.
I still can't understand why anyone would want to watch movies on their cell phone. Tethered to a tablet maybe but why not just wait till you're at home and watch it on your big screen TV.
I still have unlimited on Verizon and my average monthly usage is about 3-4gigs most of which is streaming music via tethering to my tablet while driving. I think some people just try to use as much as they can for shits and giggles.
That company name sounds like a Who's On First skit in the making.
This is rant (you've been warned) I'm so frustrated with 4G. I get charged $10 more a month, and it rarely works well, if at all. I live, literally, in the middle of a major city (1M+ citizens).
No joke, if I'm facing south while sitting on the left side of my couch, I have 4G, if I turn east, I do not. The worst part is most of the apps that are running get into a mucked state if its in the middle of doing something when the phone context switches between 3G and 4G. Text messages wont send (fail, not stay in a queue) while its switching. Many times I have to reboot the phone to fix the app problems (killing them in the task manager doesn't work all the time).
I want the carries and cell mfg to fix 4G and give me something that works, reliably
I've always said English was my second language. Had Romeo and Juliet been written in C, I might have understood it.
Exactly.
The way the US market is setup, the fact that such amazing speeds are available, yet not available, pretty much makes it non-news to those in the US. :D
It's like opening a Ferrari dealership in a very poor section of town. Yeah the capability is out there, the local folks just can't have one
For the rest of the planet, outstanding. I will envy your blazing fast speeds. The US won't see it until the major carriers can figure out a way to squeeze more
money out of its customer base prior to deploying it. Hell, our infrastructure ( if you believe the carriers ) can barely handle the existing speeds as it is.
Great! Now we can download porn at speeds up to 1gbps wireless before the battery runs flat after 1 hour :)
Seriously, what fool *needs* link speeds up to 1gbps for a mobile device ?
Why? just why? Why?? Why Why Why Why Why Why?? Just why though why?? I don't get it why? 1Gbps??? Why? How many mobile devices can even write data at that speed? 6G next? What speed will that be? Realise that this is what you call an unregulated market - useless shit sold at extortionate prices. Maybe in twenty years - for now 4G is WAAAAAAAY more than I need. I'm sure 5G has it uses - but to be effective it will need to be rolled out to consumer networks otherwise it is just a technology that will sit on the proverbial shelf.
You got it in 1.
I thought it was going to be Apple to screw us by developing the next technology into their handsets that the providers will deem too expensive to implement, yet market the hell out of.
I guess Samsung is pulling ahead . . .
4G LTE just might sound better in a commercial than 4G.
"For years, $competitor and $competitor have been advertising what they call '4G LTE' that doesn't even meet the 4G standard. Give them a break; it turns out they just can't spell 'lite'. Switch to $our_brand and leave 4G Lite behind."
People in general don't understand LTE
They'll understand it when the "i" is restored to its rightful place. A carrier could contrast its "Advanced 4G" to its competitors' "4G Lite".
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Your "12 GB per month" is an artificial plan limit and not a bandwidth limit.
I come here for the love
Now I can blow my monthly bandwidth cap in 30 seconds or less.
It's okay, for a fee, Verizon or AT&T will reinforce the "up to" part and will set your phone to limit how fast it can download.
The fee will be bigger for not restricting the download rate of your phone, so it's in your best interests to do so!
I'm just kidding: 5G won't be coming here. The mobile companies will demonstrate how when you look at their books, they're not actually profitable, so they can't build 5G towers. Hollywood accounting? What? You're talking crazy, these are phones, not movies!
... I can't even reliably place voice calls in most of Washington DC, since so many frames are dropped that it's hard to understand the other party. I have 4G in places, 3G in most, and when it works it's pretty fast ... if you measure "bits transmitted per ten seconds". But there is a lot more to data service than that: if all I cared about was bandwidth I'd sneakernet CF cards around. But omg speed!" is not what cellphones lack now. It's stability. Fix that, and then we can talk about speed.
I have 100gb and unlimited speech, SMS/MMS for 68$.
http://telia.dk/mobil/abonnement
was is this?
what you have is faster 3g.
sure, the marketer might have called it 4g though. blame him. and if he had his way, we would be at 8g.
Screw this, we're going straight to 11g.
According to the US definition of "4g" Australia has had it since 2006.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
I live in Pakistan and I am still waiting for 3G, you insensitive clods :(