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Temporal Cloak Erases Data From History
ananyo writes "Electrical engineers have used lasers to create a cloak that can hide communications in a 'time hole', so that it seems as if they were never sent. The method is the first that can cloak data streams sent at the rapid rates typically seen in telecommunications systems. It opens the door to ultra-secure transmission schemes, and may also provide a way to better shield information from noise corruption (abstract). The researchers manipulated laser light in time to create regular periods with zero light intensity (a Talbot carpet) in which to hide data. Unfortunately, the current set up erases the data-adding event entirely from history. Though they are confident that future modifications will allow them, or others, to send secret messages successfully, the more immediate use of the technology will be to cut down crosstalk when multiple data streams share the same fibre." Also at Slash Datacenter.
Maybe it's just that it's late, but I have no idea what that summary was trying to say.
Isn't that what happens when you touch the crack in the universe caused by an exploding Tardis?
How does the recipient get the message, if it's so thoroughly erased?
I shall now hibernate until I can hop on a spaceship and mine asteroids.
Does this mean they've proven the past is mutable?
So, if a laser is used to send pulses of light that represents data, and they have developed a method to create "periods of zero light intensity" that hides data and *may* help prevent noise corruption... Does that mean they have figured out how to turn the laser off? Maybe I should go RTFA...
If they erase it from history, doesn't that mean the recipient forgets it too?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Muuhahahahahahahaaa...
And they still don't believe I send my payment. :-(
Facebook has known about this for years, but they've been quietly erasing all history of its knowledge. It's just plain bad for business.
Ever notice how it takes cheques six to ten weeks to arrive in the mail, but bills arrive the day they were sent (sometimes sooner)?
Without having really understood the physics behind this, what I gather is that it basically would allow you to conceal optical signals from eavesdropping on the transmission line. But that's only on the transmission line. Obviously the transmitted data still needs to exist at the endpoints in one form or another... so eavesdrop on the endpoints instead? Unless you have a true point-to-point line, your data will also likely be routed over some sort of IP network, where it will have to exist in some other form for at least short periods of time.
Here's proof that it works. I used it to cloak my First Post. Go ahead and check. You won't see it there.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
Is this just some researchers turning off a laser?
It would be time locked, only a Dalek could escape and it would induce madness!
Now that the spammers have finally been identified... is it possible to integrate the temporal cloak with a retroactive spam filtering device, to erase my spam in the past before the filters were able to detect it, so I will not have wasted time reading it?
The output of the top secret printer feeds into a cross cut shredder and that dumps directly into the incinerator furnace. It is used all the time for extremely high sensitivity documents.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Sure, it might not look like it now, but that's only because I haven't activated my lasers.
I know what you did last summer. Just kidding, I don't work at the NSA.
As far as I can tell, they are mostly just doing a twist on something that was known a long time ago: quadrature modulation.
The way color TV transmission worked in the past (not anymore, it's all digital now, but I digress) was that they crammed 3 signals in the space original meant for black-and-white TV by basically converting RGB into Y (an approximation of the Black and White signal), and two color difference signals. These color difference signals were modulated to a high alternating frequency pattern (so that old B & W sets wouldn't see them very much) and then put into quadrature with each other (each signal getting about 1/2 the spatial frequency bandwidth, and essentially interleaving them in time). In some sense in quadrature modulation, you are hiding one signal in the "nulls" you create in the other signal.
In this so-called "cloak" technique, the modulation is more complex and instead of trying to transmit two equal bandwidth signals together, they are exploiting the fact that their is no reason that the split has to be equal...
The below example is overly simplified single-split case, but illustrates what is going on...
Original: Signal ~ sin(wt+kx) ... Psignal ~ sin(wt+kx)*cos(p)
Phase Modulated signal with simple small split phase shift "p": Psignal ~ 0.5*sin(wt+kx+p)+0.5*sin(wt+kx-p)
And using the magic of trigonometry
If the transmitter controls the phase just right, the "cosine" modulates the original signal and creates periods of time where the amplitude is really low (not really zero except at a point), yet back to their nominal amplitude at the receiver. Since the transmitter know when these "nulls" will be, it can put in short bursts of another covert signals that looks nominally like the original signal (same base frequency), but won't really be visible at the receiver (presumably the transmitter would pick the phase parameters of this covert signal so that they were "null" at the receiver).
In practice, a single 50-50 split with complementary phase shift isn't really that great, you have to more harmonics approximate more interesting signal envelopes. Think about making a square wave out of harmonics and you can see how you might make the apparent "null" times much longer.
Thus to the outside observer it looks mostly like the original signal (same nominal frequency for symbols being transmitted since the phase shifts are small, it would just look like jitter), but the transmitter was able to finesse the transmission so that it could transmit relatively normally so that the receiver would still pick out the signal. During the "null" times, the transmitter could transmit a covert signal which isn't picked up by the normal receiver but looks like a plausible innocuous signal, so a simple cursory observation of the channel looks as if only generic transmission is going on.
We don't have to call this stuff using descriptions like temporal cloaks and erasing information from history. Except perhaps analog color tv transmission (may it RIP)
Yep, all that mumbo jumbo about time cloaks comes down to this:
They found a way to turn a laser on and off really fast, and at the other end of the fiber undo it so it appears to have stayed on. The whole "cloak" thing is just the idea that while the laser is off, some other signal could be sent on the fiber. Yay, with more refinement they can use it to send two channels on one fiber. The current implementation isn't able to read the second channel.
In theory, you could cut into a backbone provider's fiber and insert one of these transmitters that adds a second channel. At the other end of the fiber, you could insert the "undo" unit, so the owner of the fiber couldn't see your signal. You'd be using their fiber without their knowledge. Of course, a fiber equipped router at each end would achieve the same result.
So, it's just boring old multiplexing and not unraveling the fabric of the universe? I'm kind of disappointed, to be honest.
I don't want to read this story. I've made up a story in my mind, based on just the headline, "Temporal Cloak Erases Data From History", and I'm 100% sure that mine is a better story than the actual one in the summary.
And boy oh boy, do I ever want a "temporal cloak".
You are welcome on my lawn.
I mean....zappa dappa?
actually that is not what they are doing at all, esssentially what they are doing is creating temporal holes, in which regardless of what data they add into the laser transmission, it doesnt leave the hole, itms effectively locked into the temporal hole that was created. the effect basically creates periods in which the optical transmission is completely immune from any alteration or degradation. this is not the same as pulsing the optical beam, this is something entirely and completely different.
Make one that erases the passage of time then make a movie about it.
Organization? You must be joking..
ive read up on his talbot diffraction stuff and ya know what i can give you a proof to show that it can be uncloaked as well as he says cloaked , it is just not something that i will find cheaply nor easy to do. ...hrm thats not normal run the anti diffraction routines through that giant arse super computer see if we get anomalies that would warrant further scrutiny....YUP in 5 minutes i got the angle....so will THEY..whoever they are.
Fact is thi sis just a nifty form of obscurity that's just a bit more hard to grasp and expensive enough to crack. YES crack. but hey nice try boys keep on trying...the noise reduction bit might make who ever is watching go
relativity means your full of shit....im not wasting more time then i need to you cant send something which can get bent via spacetime and thus has ot always exist and hten say it doesnt and still does.
YOU could use spooky action at a distance and entangle two particles or more and put each at your two locations and have one send on and off by change of rotations.....thus not needing any thing in between BUT we are a long way off of a real quantum bandwidth let alone a computer that can read them and create and send the other entangled particle to the other person in secure means.
and time travel into the past is not possible YOU CANT have a particle exist and have it exist before it does elsewhere....that comes under the laws that say matter and energy cannot be created ONLY change states. ....diffraction's are bending the light so it acts differently then you expect this "appears" to do spooky stuff....it simply means one needs ot crack how one does the diffraction and you have the data unsecured.
YOUR pretend idea has a paradox of new matter in the universe and that is just not possible sorry...
go read up on the way talbot stuff works
go back to youtube ok buddy...no really at least your amusing for a minute. .....ya know two things trying to occupy the same space BOOOOOOOM....but hey nice fiction writer you'd make
YOU CANT create new matter in the universe especially into a space that may already contain atoms like air or other particles the risk might mean a nuclear explosion
WOW neat wodnfer why this hasn't made headline news that they can create new photons of matter this shine a trillion beams a light into the past and reorder then into a trillion in gold...ya can't wait for the news.
send me the pizza i ordered 40 minutes from now right now will ya
NSFW!
Great timing! Now, how soon can I get this for my Verizon phone?
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How do they avoid getting stuck in a time loop? Or worse, how do they prevent a cascade feedback loop that converts all matter and energy in the future into these hidden signals? Do you think this can be combined with entangle particles across time to realize my dream of quantum based fusion?
So, it's just boring old multiplexing and not unraveling the fabric of the universe? I'm kind of disappointed, to be honest.
Just wait til Hedley lemarr hears about this!