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Pirate Bay Founder Sentenced To Jail

An anonymous reader writes "Gottfrid Swartholm Warg — known also as Anakata — was on June 20th sentenced to two years imprisonment for data breaches and aggravated fraud by the District Court of Nacka in his native Sweden. It is unclear at this time wether the decision will be appealed to a higher court. Prison time in Sweden is generally served for two thirds of the time sentenced, if the person behaves well and the court finds no reason to abstain from the norm. Also, time spent in pre-trial confinement (swe: 'häkte') is deducted from the time sentenced. Warg was arrested in Cambodia in september of 2012, transferred to Sweden and ordered by court to remain in pre-trial confinement from September 14th, 2012."

168 comments

  1. If you do the math... by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

    2/3 of 2 years is 16 months. He's been held for 9 months already, so he has another 7 to go (until Jan 2014).

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    1. Re:If you do the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope so.

      He shouldn't really be in prison at all. At first when I saw the story I was sad. But now that I see he'll be only there for a short time I hope he uses the time to take a break from all things internet and chills out.

    2. Re:If you do the math... by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Assuming the US will allow Sweden to reduce the prison time, which I find quite unlikely.
      Yes, I know US law doesn't apply in this case but, apparently, neither does Swedish law.

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    3. Re:If you do the math... by Kiwikwi · · Score: 4, Informative

      2/3 of 2 years is 16 months. He's been held for 9 months already, so he has another 7 to go (until Jan 2014).

      Yeah, and afterwards he's likely going to Denmark, to stand trial there for breaching servers belonging to the Danish police (hosted by the ever-incompetent CSC).

      Remember, he's not serving time for his Pirate Bay involvement (yet?); he's serving time for breaching bank systems and using the access in an attempt to steal millions. Since he was extradited for this case, not the Pirate Bay case, it seems that the Swedish prosecutors actually consider this worse than file sharing. (Who would've thought?)

    4. Re:If you do the math... by rioki · · Score: 2

      Sweden actually has quite good prison conditions. He may actually have internet access... maybe not much will change for him...

    5. Re:If you do the math... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Funny

      They'll probably block Pirate Bay from his DOC-issued laptop. Can't have such a wide-open door for viruses and all.

    6. Re:If you do the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amnesty International has accused Sweden of human rights violations for using its prisoners to assemble IKEA furniture.

    7. Re:If you do the math... by mendax · · Score: 1

      If you know anything about life in prison you would know that just having a job is a "big deal®". It makes the time fly more quickly. There are worse things than assembling IKEA furniture. For example, prison systems are like Google in this one respect, they eat their own dog food. So they make and consume their own products such as food, clothes, and soap. Can you imagine spending years working in, for example, a chicken factory?

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    8. Re:If you do the math... by mendax · · Score: 1

      I'd be surprised they will give them access to a computer. But the Swedish prison system is supposedly quite tolerable and remarkably humane compared to those in much of the rest of the world (especially the American federal and state gulags which are third-world in many aspects) so I could be wrong.

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    9. Re:If you do the math... by durrr · · Score: 1

      I don't think they are allowed to serialize his supposed crimes in such a manner. All known crimes are supposed to be subject to one trial and one sentence, to prevent the legal system from indefinitely keeping someone locked up by partitioning the crimes and re-charing them when they're out indefinitely.

      Then again, it wouldn't be the first time the law is bypassed to fight the great evil that digital piracy apparently is.

    10. Re:If you do the math... by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      That is not bad. If I know I knew I would only get 7 months of jail time I would run a PB like website

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    11. Re:If you do the math... by cangrejoinmortal · · Score: 1

      Besides, prison in the Nordic countries seems to be not half as bad as in the rest of the world. That doesn't mean he should go to jail tough. Piracy (copy right violation) should be a misdemeanor, not a crime.

    12. Re:If you do the math... by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      You've never bought anything from IKEA, have you?

    13. Re:If you do the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For ALLEGEDLY breaching servers!

      This distinction is so important, that it's in fact ILLEGAL to leave that word away. At least here in Germany.

      (And I'd add: Especially with "judges" that are bought by the organized crime.)

    14. Re:If you do the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck is this remotely worthy of a +5, Interesting?

      "He'll serve 16 months, assuming Julian Assange doesn't ride in on a purple and silver dragon and whisk him away to WikiPirateLand before his sentence is finished."

      "He'll serve 16 months, assuming radioactive ninja pirates don't occupy the prison and turn him into a living sex toy before his sentence is finished."

      I know, dragons don't exist, and neither do radioactive ninja pirates, but apparently, neither do any of the normal rules of logic and rationality on Slashdot.

    15. Re:If you do the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. If the crimes occur in different jurisdictions, he will be charged for the crimes he committed in jurisdiction 1, then (possibly) extradited to face trial & imprisonment for his crimes in jurisdiction 2, and so on and so forth.

      If I murder a man in Sweden, and then cross the border, and murder another man in Norway, and then cross back into Sweden and am apprehended by the Swedish police, the Swedish prosecutors don't try me for the murder of the Norwegian man - the Norwegian government submits a request for extradition to Sweden, at which point Sweden may decide to:
      a) Defer prosecution for the murder of the Swedish man, and hand me over to Norway first for trial;
      b) Try (and acquit or sentence) me for the murder of the Swedish man, then hand me over to Norway for trial;
      c) Refuse the extradition request, in which case Norway will keep my arrest warrant active in case I ever fall into their custody, or into the custody of a country with whom they have an extradition request.

      My crime in Norway is not cancelled out, eliminated, or tried simultaneously - it is, in fact, exactly how the law works - each jurisdiction has the right to try you for your crimes, in a serial fashion, based on where you're apprehended, and extradition negotiations between the jurisdiction you're apprehended in and the jurisdiction requesting extradition.

    16. Re:If you do the math... by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      Even once someone is convicted? I find that hard to believe.

    17. Re:If you do the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming the US will allow Sweden to reduce the prison time,

      Huh? Why would there be any such "allowance" relationship? Warg hasn't been in custody in the US for the same crime after all.

    18. Re:If you do the math... by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      You didn't even RTFA did you?

      He went to jail for hacking charges, not related to TPB.

    19. Re:If you do the math... by yuggler · · Score: 0

      I'm swedish and around here IKEA is a pretty big deal. Two years ago it was revealed that IKEA in the 80's contracted with factories in East Germany that used forced labour (i.e. prisoners) to build some of their products and it caused quite a bit of ruckus in swedish media. But I've heard nothing of IKEA employing swedish prison inmates, and Amnesty doesn't mention anything about it on their website (the .se-version) Three things might have been mixed up and created this myth: - The Swedish prison authority ("Kriminalvården") have small factories in some of the prisons and do produce and sell furniture (mostly to itself, as far as I've heard). - IKEA has in the past been known to subcontract with factories that have used forced labour. - Amnesty has criticised Sweden for other things, mostly concerning migration but also some practices and rules in the prison/police custody systems.

    20. Re:If you do the math... by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Hope so.

      He shouldn't really be in prison at all. At first when I saw the story I was sad. But now that I see he'll be only there for a short time I hope he uses the time to take a break from all things internet and chills out.

      I heard on Norwegian national radio that, apart from the Logica breach, he hacked into bank servers and actually managed to transfer the equivalent of USD 3300 from a Danish union to himself. I don't believe it warrants two years imprisonment, but it certainly should be a punishable crime.

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    21. Re:If you do the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming the US will allow Sweden to reduce the prison time,

      Huh? Why would there be any such "allowance" relationship? Warg hasn't been in custody in the US for the same crime after all.

      Everybody knows that the US uses its superpowers on other countries to fight MPAA/RIAA's wars.
      They control Japan like a puppet, to the point in which committing a copyright infringement even without any monetary benefit is punishable with 10 years of prison time plus heavy fines (its 5 years in the US).

      They are trying to push this everywhere they can.

    22. Re:If you do the math... by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      There are worse things than assembling IKEA furniture.

      Yes indeed :-

      1) Going round one of their shops

      2) Using their furniture.

  2. And yet TPB lives by skaag · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find it amusing that while all this is going on, nobody is able to shut it down.
    Which is great because that's where I like to search for my Linux ISO images.

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    1. Re:And yet TPB lives by sirber · · Score: 2

      You reinstall linux often?

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    2. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This had nothing at all to do with TPB, so you shouldn't have worried about your Linux ISO images.

    3. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This trial was about the "hacking" of a swedish bank.
      So it's not related to TPB.

    4. Re:And yet TPB lives by jeffclay · · Score: 2

      Did you hear that whooshing sound when you replied?

    5. Re:And yet TPB lives by AliasBackslash · · Score: 1

      I frequently install it on new and re-purposed computers and enjoy experimenting with different distros.

    6. Re:And yet TPB lives by Buggz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The incident Warg was convicted for, data breach and releasing said data on the internet, is unrelated to The Pirate Bay. It's like saying Lindsay Lohan was convicted for acting, which I guess could be the case but you get my point.

    7. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, officially this has nothing to do with TPB.

      (Unofficially there was some involvement from one of RIAAs goons in this case, even if there should be no reason for it.)

    8. Re:And yet TPB lives by sirber · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did you hear that whooshing sound when you replied?

      No sorry, I'm not on OSX.

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    9. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time a new Doctor Who episode comes out.

    10. Re:And yet TPB lives by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like saying Lindsay Lohan was convicted for acting

      Which, all things considered, is not such a bad idea, which makes it a crappy analogy, though.

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    11. Re:And yet TPB lives by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 1

      At least a couple of times per week. Thanks for asking.

    12. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there are others who think she shoudn't be jailed for Acting, because bad Acting shouldn't be a criminal offense, if anything it should really only be a civil one.

    13. Re:And yet TPB lives by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Ironically, the last time I was looking for a particular Linux ISO, TPB didn't have it.

    14. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I totally agree, there should be immediate capital punishment, not jailtime.

    15. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless "Lindsay Lohan" is a new model of car, the analogy was crappy by default.

    16. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No sorry, I'm not on OSX.

      Why, don't you know where to download it?

    17. Re:And yet TPB lives by hackula · · Score: 1

      There are lot of computers out there that need saving.

    18. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So hacking a bank isn't a sufficient excuse to prosecute someone?

      Unless you're stating that he's been framed, I'd say hacking a bank would probably get you arrested no matter who you are, TPB or not. In this case, I'd say that it was merely icing on the cake for those who care about TPB.

    19. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just download Linux ISO's from vendor sites and mirrors. They're much more reliable and up to date. Not like you need to download ISO's every day.

    20. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know there are other places to get Linux ISO images, right? And many of them are even distributed by torrent.

      But one is compelled to ask.... why would searching for Linux ISO images be something that you regularly do? Certainly I would think that you'd eventually settle on one distribution and just be downloading the updates to that, as they come out?

    21. Re:And yet TPB lives by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Why? It's not like it's particularly unstable, and requires reinstalling every so often *cough*windows*cough*.... and if you're a sysadmin for a company and are installing it fresh on different computers all the time, wouldn't it be a more efficient to use the same distribution for each instead of searching for different ones on TPB all the time, and only download a new copy of the distro when that particular one is updated?

    22. Re:And yet TPB lives by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Why is that ironic? Linux is already freely distributed and often readily available as torrents directly on the distro vendor's web site, so there would not be any significant benefit to distributing such distros through TPB.

    23. Re:And yet TPB lives by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Some people do... sadly enough.

      Although the demographic that does, in my observation, seems to be largely comprised of individuals who for whatever reason feel that by doing so they are somehow validating the existence of places like TPB.

    24. Re:And yet TPB lives by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Every time my favorite distro have a significant update (eg: version 5 to version 6). And by necessity, since trying to upgrade only the packages invariably results in a disaster area.

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    25. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    26. Re:And yet TPB lives by Requiem18th · · Score: 2

      He has to download a reason for it first.

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    27. Re:And yet TPB lives by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      Why would you get a Linux ISO on tpb?

      Unless you plan to verify md5 on every single package, I'd go to the vendor's site.

      You just don't know what you're getting from tpb. It could be a rootkit with a side of worm.

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    28. Re:And yet TPB lives by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 1

      Most of the computer in my play-room PXE-install a fresh dist when they reboot. Not from PB normally, but adding that detail makes the quip less fun. :)

    29. Re:And yet TPB lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I don't get your point. Convicted for acting? All jokes aside, WTF is that supposed to even mean?

      Ever hear of Al Capone?

    30. Re:And yet TPB lives by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Why would you need to install a fresh distro when they reboot? Or are you allowing everyone to run stuff as root?

    31. Re:And yet TPB lives by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Why would you get a Linux ISO on tpb?

      Unless you plan to verify md5 on every single package, I'd go to the vendor's site.

      You just don't know what you're getting from tpb. It could be a rootkit with a side of worm.

      Why would you need to md5 each package on the iso? Could you not simply md5 the iso image itself?

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    32. Re:And yet TPB lives by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 1

      I'm the only one allowed to log in, but I do allow myself root so you have a point there.

      It's mostly to make sure something in the base image installation procedure doesn't rot.

    33. Re:And yet TPB lives by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Linux should never need a reinstall unless you actually make a major goof up as root.

    34. Re:And yet TPB lives by shentino · · Score: 1

      More like his TPB stuff made them throw the book at him harder for the hacking than they would have otherwise.

  3. Fair trial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another person who majorly irked the moneyed ruling class. I am sure that these vaguely related crimes were not used as a bludgeon to achieve revenge.

  4. Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by nhat11 · · Score: 2

    They're nicer than most low end motels/hotels in the states, its ridiculous!

    1. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Twiggeh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yep, and we make sure to feed our inmates more properly than our schoolkids. Our country is kinda backwards on alot of things.

    2. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's about rehabilitation. Seems to be more effective than punishment (see USA PMITA prison system).

    3. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 1

      I agree, the US need to get with the program already.

    4. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a populistic statement that only serves to rile up emotion. If you look at other factors around the issue, such as the mobility of schoolchildren vs. that of prisoners, you'd see why it's utter nonsense.

      Not that the two are in a zero-sum game either. Reductions in one does not neccesitate increases in others. In fact, recently, reductions in one has gone to tax holidays for the richest people in the country, showing whoose meals the Swedes actually care about.

    5. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, prisoners should get school-grade food, and schoolchildren should be fed by their parents.

    6. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at other factors around the issue, such as the mobility of schoolchildren vs. that of prisoners, you'd see why it's utter nonsense.

      You reckon school kids pump more iron than the prisoners I'm seeing in various american dramas? Wow

    7. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      It's about rehabilitation. Seems to be more effective than punishment (see USA PMITA prison system).

      It's actually not that efficient.

      And I know outside of Oslo they have an island where you can "go to jail" and just live as normal with a house and stuff. They possibly had no guards or fences. If you behave there then fine. If you can act as a regular citizen they are happy. I guess if you escape or get caught again you may not go there a second time. Your choice.

      Anyway I think the US putting lots of people on drugs in jail is just fucked up. I don't do drugs but that is anything is breaking them AWAY from society and into even more criminals.

      Sounds like a good idea?

    8. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 4, Informative

      "And I know outside of Oslo they have an island where you can "go to jail" and just live as normal with a house and stuff."

      You are thinking of Bastøy, Norways possibly both cheapest prison and the one with the lowest reoffending rate: ~15%.

    9. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      Free labour is useless if it is weak.

      If they allow schools to force students to do labour then they will feed them just as well as convicts. ;)

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    10. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by nhat11 · · Score: 1

      Yea rehabilitation makes sense but there's people out there that need that type of accommodations that did no wrong to anyone. It's like committing a crime will reward you with those living conditions but losing a job and being poor punishes you.

    11. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yep, and we make sure to feed our inmates more properly than our schoolkids. Our country is kinda backwards on alot of things.

      We also pay our politicans more than the people who haven't done anything!

      And every public owned property or company is sold out so they can afford to lower the taxes for the people who earn the most while they also want to make it worse for people with no job so they go find one themself even though they themself got an awesome parachute with lots of income from not doing shit after they have left their political carrier because obviously it's freaking hard getting a job when people know you from the political scene.

    12. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And I know outside of Oslo they have an island where you can "go to jail" and just live as normal with a house and stuff."

      You are thinking of Bastøy, Norways possibly both cheapest prison and the one with the lowest reoffending rate: ~15%.

      Reason probably being that they don't put hopeless cases there.

    13. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      It's about rehabilitation. Seems to be more effective than punishment (see USA PMITA prison system).

      Oh yea. An Anonymous Coward posts an opinion.

      As an American, I'm going to give you some ideas on how things are here. First of all, yes, some people in prison in the US are there under dubious circumstances. When I was younger I was more of a "Lock up the druggies" kind of guy, but now I feel that imprisoning people for simply using drugs is counterproductive and harmful to them and society as a whole. So yes, we certainly do have people locked up for stuff they probably shouldn't be locked up for.

      Second, I'm not even going to pretend that in general the US justice system does more than give paychecks to lawyers and judges. For sure there are times when it really does serve justice and do the right thing, but a lot of times the quality of what you get out of it is directly related to how much you can afford to pay into it in terms of your lawyers rather than how right or wrong the case against you is.

      As someone who lives here, I want those of you who don't to know that we are a violent society and have always been one. We have a lot of bad people here, much more than you would ever imagine if you don't live here. One of the things we actually do well is we punish those who are really bad and maybe lock them up forever (or in rare circumstances execute them) so they don't hurt others again. This not Norway where the wimpy Norwegians are probably going to have to release mass murderer Anders Breivik TWICE more in his lifetime so he can get out and attempt to break his own record for violence. I can promise you that some people are just bad, everybody can't be rehabilitated, and countries that don't have the kind of unending violence we have here really just cannot judge us. Say what you will, but as an example serial killer Ted Bundy can never harm another human being whereas if he lived in some wimpy country like Brazil, Norway or Italy the justice system would feel sorry for him and release him so he was free to kill again at some point.

    14. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Reason probably being that they don't put hopeless cases there.

      And conversely that normal people don't in turn BECOME hopeless cases simply because they went to prison.

    15. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twiggeh you sure haven't ever been to jail...

    16. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by LordLimecat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Jail is useless if its not punitive.

    17. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment

      According to the Humanitarian theory, to punish a man because he deserves it, and as much as he deserves, is mere revenge, and, therefore, barbarous and immoral. It is maintained that the only legitimate motives for punishing are the desire to deter others by example or to mend the criminal. When this theory is combined, as frequently happens, with the belief that all crime is more or less pathological, the idea of mending tails off into that of healing or curing and punishment becomes therapeutic. Thus it appears at first sight that we have passed from the harsh and self-righteous notion of giving the wicked their deserts to the charitable and enlightened one of tending the psychologically sick. What could be more amiable? One little point which is taken for granted in this theory needs, however, to be made explicit. The things done to the criminal, even if they are called cures, will be just as compulsory as they were in the old days when we called them punishments. If a tendency to steal can be cured by psychotherapy, the thief will no doubt be forced to undergo the treatment. Otherwise, society cannot continue.

      My contention is that this doctrine, merciful though it appears, really means that each one of us, from the moment he breaks the law, is deprived of the rights of a human being.

      The reason is this. The Humanitarian theory removes from Punishment the concept of Desert. But the concept of Desert is the only connecting link between punishment and justice. It is only as deserved or undeserved that a sentence can be just or unjust. I do not here contend that the question ‘Is it deserved?’ is the only one we can reasonably ask about a punishment. We may very properly ask whether it is likely to deter others and to reform the criminal. But neither of these two last questions is a question about justice. There is no sense in talking about a ‘just deterrent’ or a ‘just cure’. We demand of a deterrent not whether it is just but whether it will deter. We demand of a cure not whether it is just but whether it succeeds. Thus when we cease to consider what the criminal deserves and consider only what will cure him or deter others, we have tacitly removed him from the sphere of justice altogether; instead of a person, a subject of rights, we now have a mere object, a patient, a ‘case’.

    18. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      Nice! When I get home I'll search for this movie in Pirate Bay: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1332134

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    19. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Have you considered that grabbing people for minor offenses (or things that shouldn't even be offenses) and tossing them into a prison system with no significant rehabilitative function and significant violence for too long, then (effectively) branding them with a scarlet letter to make sure they can't re-integrate into society and tossing them on the street with nothing might be a cause of the violence?

      Perhaps if we spent less resources punishing people and more on showing them how they could do better, we'd have less people who need punishing.

    20. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 1

      Quite possibly. I haven't seen a study on why the rates are lower. Weeding out sociopaths that aren't extremely good at controlling their behavior probably comes automatically when you have to behave in the normal prison system for a while to get there.

    21. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by a.d.trick · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, jail is useless if it does not rehabilitate its convicts and keep them from re-offending. Punishment often helps to that end but it is not the same thing.

    22. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Read the article a while ago. IIRC, the recidivism rate in Norway is half that of the UK (where the author was from). Not just for the one jail, but for the whole country. I think the recidivism rates in the two countries were 35% and 70%, respectively.

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    23. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it's a good idea! Regular slave labour is illegal these days, but you can get practically free labour from prisons! No strikes, if you need more workers you can have people who don't "volunteer" thrown in extended solitary (literally torture by some definitions), you're massively subsidised, and if the public complain you can just have your politicians - even the ones you haven't paid for! - remind them that criminals are subhuman, inherently evil, and deserve nothing better than death!

    24. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea rehabilitation makes sense but there's people out there that need that type of accommodations that did no wrong to anyone.

      Not in the Nordic countries with working welfare systems. Elsewhere? Sure. But regardless of poverty in the third world, offenders in the first world need to be rehabilitated.

    25. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 2

      Should they be underfed? Raped? (like the US prison system ENCOURAGES - guards give "rape" privs to certain convicts to maintain control). Medical Experiments? Killed and their organs harvested?

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      Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
    26. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhh.... don't let anyone think you're going to say that culture makes a difference in recidivism rates or offense rates; that's a stone's throw from claiming that there's such a thing as "morality" or that some cultures produce less crime than others. You'll be crucified in a heartbeat and probably reported for being racist against the British.

    27. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Remind me, is it called the "justice" system or the "rehabilitative" system? Historically, has the focus been on "just and deserved punishment", or "rehabilitation"? When people criticize a judgement, do they typically say "he wasnt rehabilitated" or "justice was not done"? Do they call it "ineffective", or do they call it "unjust"?

      You should read CS Lewis' essay on The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment (warning, PDF). I think he makes an excellent case why straying away from a "retributive" or "punitive" justice system is about the least humane and most dangerous thing you could do. Do you really want the government deciding when your prison term is up / "justice has been served" based on whether they think you have been rehabilitated or not?

    28. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I do not think so, no, but I dont think there should be much more provided than food and shelter. Providing entertainment seems terribly counterproductive in a penal system.

    29. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      It should be noted that the US has open prisons too. Though the drug thing is incredibly stupid.

    30. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by a.d.trick · · Score: 1

      Do you really want the government deciding when your prison term is up / "justice has been served" based on whether they think you have been rehabilitated or not?

      That's a good point; I wish I had mod points for you. That said, "an eye for an eye" is just. It is, perhaps, the most fair retribution possible, but it is not the sort of thing we see, or want to see in our justice system. I think there needs to be some mix of justice and mercy.

    31. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Remind me, is it called the "justice" system or the "rehabilitative" system?

      North Korea calls itself Democratic People's Republic. That doesn't make it so.

      Historically, has the focus been on "just and deserved punishment", or "rehabilitation"?

      Historically, the focus has been on neither but on the divine right of absolute monarchs to punish or reward whoever they will, however they will, for whatever they will.

      You should read CS Lewis' essay on The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment (warning, PDF). I think he makes an excellent case why straying away from a "retributive" or "punitive" justice system is about the least humane and most dangerous thing you could do. Do you really want the government deciding when your prison term is up / "justice has been served" based on whether they think you have been rehabilitated or not?

      Why do you think that the aim of rehabiliting criminals somehow implies unspecified terms of incarceration? For that matter, the essay you linked to seems to be making the rather ridiculous assertion that being more concerned about rehabilitation than punishment removes justice from the consideration altogether, leading to a dystopia where jaywalkers are brainwashed to "cure" them or executed as a warning to others, except when it simply declares innocent people criminals just so it can punish them as such a warning.

      In other words, your argument is rubbish, the essay you linked to fights absurd strawmen, and I have a very hard time believing you're arguing in good faith.

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    32. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      You feed your schoolkids?
      We let their parents take care of that.

      Populist fool.

    33. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      The article I linked answers the question you ask:

      Why do you think that the aim of rehabiliting criminals somehow implies unspecified terms of incarceration?

      Basically, if the point of the incarceration isnt "what is deserved", but "is he cured", then there is no grounds for objecting to even an indefinite incarceration-- so long as it can be shown that the inmate is not yet "cured".

      The only thing which allows for a discussion on "does the punishment fit the crime" is the concept of retributive punishment-- that we will punish you as far as and no further than your crime deserves.

    34. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by LMariachi · · Score: 1

      You don’t understand the main purpose of providing entertainment (and gyms, libraries, other privileges) to prisoners. It is a tool of control — something the authorities can take away. If the prisoners are all kept in the bare-minimum conditions sufficient to technically sustain life, they will have nothing to lose, nothing to dissuade them from rioting or going insane, costing the state far more than a population of relatively docile inmates would. Furthermore, upon release they will be even less suited to rejoin society, all but guaranteeing recidivism. If you’ve already survived however long you spent in a hellhole, it’s not much of a deterrent to risk having to do it again when your other option is sleeping under an overpass and begging for alms because you’re far too damaged to get a straight job.

    35. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Basically, if the point of the incarceration isnt "what is deserved", but "is he cured", then there is no grounds for objecting to even an indefinite incarceration-- so long as it can be shown that the inmate is not yet "cured".

      And like I said, that point is bullshit, as evidenced by the fact that justice systems aiming for rehibilitation over punishment don't, as a matter of fact, hand over indefinite sentences except for things like murder. Imprisonment still acts as a punishment, even if that is not its main goal, so of course its maximum length is limited by the nature of the crime itself.

      Also, "to rehibilitate" is not the same as "to cure". A rehibilitated criminal was not necessarily (or even likely) ill. He was simply a criminal and no longer is.

      The only thing which allows for a discussion on "does the punishment fit the crime" is the concept of retributive punishment-- that we will punish you as far as and no further than your crime deserves.

      Now let me introduce you to the concept of "holding back" - that we aim to rehabilitate the perp, but will not inflict on him any more punishment than his crime deserves. That is, we have a goal but will take care not to cross a line while pursuing it. Both you and Lewis are assuming that aiming to rehabilitate means a monomanic obsession on rehabilitation at any price, which is an absurd strawman.

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    36. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by nukenerd · · Score: 1
      a.d.trick wrote :

      No, jail is useless if it does not rehabilitate its convicts

      Eh? A major reason why I (and no doubt many others) do not commit offences is that I do not wish to have time taken out of my life spent in jail. The other reasons are to do with ethics.

      What certainly does NOT come into my decision is whether or not I would be "rehabilitated" in jail. I do not even know what it means or involves (brain washing?) so it can hardly be a factor.

    37. Re:Look up Sweden's prison pictures on google.... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I didnt say that people DO get indefinite incarcerations, I said that there is no grounds for objecting to one. You havent explained on what grounds one COULD object in a situation where, for instance, a petty thief has not been rehabilitated after a 10 year sentence. If the POINT of his incarceration was to rehabilitate him, how could you possibly object to an extended sentence?

      Luckily we do not live in a world where rehabilitation is seen as the primary point of imprisonment, so of course we dont see the situation described.

  5. Data Breach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He isn't going to jail for running TPB, but instead for doing something clearly illegal and just uncool in general. I don't see a problem with it.

    The old lesson learned again: Don't go high profile and piss off the man if you have skeletons in your closet.

    1. Re:Data Breach by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      And now we all have skeletons in our closet.

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    2. Re:Data Breach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pirate Bay should make all their torrent trackers point through Google or Bing searches instead of pointing to stuff directly.

    3. Re:Data Breach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, if we follow the Data Breach headline guy's line of thought, we should all be scared of the man because we browsed pron or downloaded an mp3 10 years ago

  6. Justice is for the little people by benjfowler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In London during the riots, a man was sentenced to six months jail for stealing a bottle of water.

    However, the bankers crash the economy, cost taxpayers £130 billion pounds, threw millions out of work due to their negligence and criminality -- and NOONE has gone to jail. In America, the problem is made worse because it's actually Obama Administration policy to not prosecute bankers for fraud.

    1. Re:Justice is for the little people by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      Feudalism never really left our culture, it just changed its colours. There is the law for the rich and powerful, then there is the law for the peons :(

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    2. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noone went to jail? But he's the only one who was trying to stop it!

    3. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give a man a gun and can can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and can can rob a country.

    4. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll play you the worlds smallest violin, whiney brat.

    5. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here in Texas a man stole a $35 frozen rack of ribs from a grocery store and got 50 years.

    6. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could you define "the bankers" more specifically? No, you can't can you? Nor do you really understand the cause of the global crash. The reason that no-one has gone to gaol is that, however much you want it to be, it's not really anyone's fault. Do you have 0% credit card? A mortgage you now can't really afford? You're as complicit as every other short sighted idiot involved.

    7. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is an element of fraud if they make something appear safer than it is AND by doing so profit from its sale.

      There's a difference between investment bankers selling crap using names like "High-Grade Structured Credit Fund" when it isn't really high grade, and you getting a mortgage you can't really afford (assuming you didn't misrepresent your financial status to the bank).

      If you did indeed deceive the bank then yes you are one of those at fault. If you didn't and the bank lent to you despite you being a high risk person, then it's the bank's responsibility - maybe they've actually got a fancy scheme to reduce risk rather than merely pretending to. And if the bankers lending to you did so for personal gain while not doing their jobs properly and thus putting the bank at risk then it's their fault too.

    8. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The jury recommended Ward be sentenced as a habitual criminal. Ward has previous felony convictions for burglary, attempted robbery, aggravated assault, leaving the scene of an accident and possession of cocaine, and four misdemeanor convictions, including two thefts.

      The man also told one of the workers of the store that he had a knife. He isn't some bum who was picked up for his first offence of stealing a paltry set of ribs. He was a career criminal who's likelihood of re-offending was very high. It's excessive to give 50 years, but I feel like you over sensationalized it to prove a point.

    9. Re:Justice is for the little people by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      As usual, people on slashdot demonstrate their willingness to overlook anything-- even attempts to steal millions from banks in a hacking attempt-- if its done by heroes of the geek community.

      Accused of rape? Doesnt matter, you will have defenders galore so long as you first endear yourself to the geek community.
      Accused of fraud / hacking? Doesnt matter, so long as youre pro-P2P.

      Indeed, we do have a problem with justice, but its not the one you think it is.

    10. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, your current tactic of calling him a "gutless faggot" is putting you on a much higher pedestal.

    11. Re:Justice is for the little people by Empiric · · Score: 1

      I'll do one better. I'll define "counterfeiters". They are people gaining personally from generation of money out of thin air, with no work-product element to its existence.

      Particular, more technology-driven types can be referred to as "virtual counterfeiting" or "fractional reserve banking", as an arbitrary choice of terminology.

      Investing said counterfeit funds at massive scales leads to a bubble, wherein we have "more money chasing the same goods". The inevitable results of the disparity between the counterfeit-funds speculative value and the actual value leads to the collapse. The supposed blame of the "mortgage you can't really afford" is a red-herring. The reason it can't be afforded (and the temptation for the risk) is due to the counterfeit-money influx in the first place, for which the "average person" has neither the ability nor the actuality to have perpetrated.

      The fact that you don't understand something, doesn't mean no one else does. Especially so when you are merely -pretending- not to understand it.

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    12. Re:Justice is for the little people by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Thank you. Somebody had to say it.

    13. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The man also told one of the workers of the store that he had a knife. He isn't some bum who was picked up for his first offence of stealing a paltry set of ribs. He was a career criminal who's likelihood of re-offending was very high. It's excessive to give 50 years, but I feel like you over sensationalized it to prove a point.

      As if you're not sensationalizing his rap sheet to justify a beyond-draconian sentence. This is the kind of horrific bullshit you'd expect to see out of China or Saudi Arabia.

      End of story.

    14. Re:Justice is for the little people by PrimeNumber · · Score: 1

      You are so full of shit. Watch this.

    15. Re:Justice is for the little people by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Whether or not they actually did it is completely separate from:

      A) how convenient it is for the government to be able to charge him with something
      B) what exactly the government will do with him *when* he's convicted (I would like to be able to say "if"...but really)

      Like they say, you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you.

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    16. Re:Justice is for the little people by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      That is very true, but there comes a point where you either need to claim that an incredible weight of evidence needs to be dismissed as plants by a conspiracy-- and at that point you have no firm grounds on which to believe ANYTHING with any confidence-- or else you have to accept that even those you consider to be "heroes" have their own skeletons.

      There is a ton to suggest that there is at least some weight to the charges against both Anakata and Assange.

    17. Re:Justice is for the little people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone accused of rape should face trial and be found guilty in a just court before being considered guilty.

      Fraud? And what did the bankers and financial guys do just some 5-10 years ago? Gamble away lots of money and the taxpayers had to bail them out.

  7. He can practise his Unix skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    /usr/sbin/chroot /jail sleep 1892160000

  8. Off topic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still find it hilarious that one of the things that is ALWAYS at the top of the most popular list is GTA san andreas.

    Always makes me giggle to think of ALL those newer games out there.. Still losing in popularity to an 8 year old game.

  9. Fucking editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's

    1) Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, not Swartholm
    2) whether, not wether

    Not every submission is perfect but it's your fucking job to fix them! DO YOUR WORK BITCHES!

    1. Re:Fucking editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think that anyone here actually has a job? Be nice to people. Then they might be nice to you.

    2. Re:Fucking editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not their job to fix anything. Their one and only job is to generate clickthroughs and ad impressions for their advertisers.

    3. Re:Fucking editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Slashdot is a Dice Holdings, Inc. service." But they started it!

  10. Crucial by neckstop · · Score: 2

    This is a low blow from the establishment. Granted, Gottfrid comes off as a deranged, drug-addled terrorist occasionally, but he is at least partially responsible for the underpinnings of a true technological and cultural revolution. I am a security professional and as pissed as I get when some random asshole or DDOS (or me) brings down a datacenter of mine, I'm more upset with myself and my team for allowing that unsafe condition to exist in the first place. We have to be right all the time and they have to be right once. This is not a new concept. These companies and especially government organizations should be expected to assume the same level of due diligence, if not FAR more, than everyone else. They just had the sensitive data just sitting there to take. I'm not an anarchist and I believe completely in personal responsibility but there should be some comparative negligence that comes into play here. Yeah, sure, Gottfrid allegedly did it, but Logica and Nordea failed in protecting their customers' sensitive interests.

    1. Re:Crucial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can assure you the breach is being looked at from all levels of the security apparatus in Sweden, civilian as well as military, and a number of regulation authorities.

      In many ways this breach is a good thing since it broke publicly and thus became unavoidable to manage. It is systemic and nationwide (presumably ALL swedish citizens have been exposed through the SPAR-registry breach. The SPAR registry is an offshoot of the official adress registry for all persons in Sweden), spans multiple government agencies (Tax Authority, Police, Parliament amongst others) and private companies. IT involves third party IT (outsourcing).

      The FUP-files hosted by wikileaks are VERY telling of the massive failure this breach is for this common model of data mangement in the public/private cooperation that Sweden as a nation state is dominated by, sometimes a contractual cooperation - sometimes an informal one.
      The number of open doors into the breached systems, and the low level of security for this kind of information is totally astounding. It will surely become THE case referred to in security teaching in Sweden, and not only in IT sector.

      Perhaps coincidentally, but perhaps not so coincidentally the (secret) head of the (extremely secret) Office of Special Collection (swe: Kontoret för Särskild Inhämtning, KSI) was found dead in a lake in Sweden in the summer of 2012. KSI ws previously known as IB (or Information Bureau) and has an interesting history which can be read about in brief here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IB_affair
      Whilst being speculation of course, it would be .. interesting .. if there was a connection.
      I for one find it quite interesting that Warg has not been put to the bench for espionage or some such.

      As a side note, the bank in question, Nordea, is partially owned by the Swedish state and has historically been the number one bank for government transactions.
      So whomever did the actual breaches is irrelevant, they hit a pretty big golden pot, that led to another golden pot, that led to another golden pot, many pots in the service of the State.
      Two years in prison for THAT .... is not so much.

    2. Re:Crucial by HappyHead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Part of the problem here is that he does often come across as a drug addled terrorist, and judges almost universally tend to not only find against people who do that, but also tend to put the maximum sentence on them, in the hopes that during their time in prison, they'll come out of their drug-addling, and actually notice where they are. (Yes, sometimes that's hopeless optimism.) Gottfrid may be partially responsible for some wonderful technology being popularized, but he's also responsible for a lot of horrible things as well (google "Potentialprostitutes" and "extortion" for an example) - calling on Karma for this really doesn't weigh in his favor.

      Yes, Logica and Nordea did fail to protect their customers from people doing bad things, but that doesn't mean the people doing the bad things shouldn't be punished for it. If anything, Logica and Nordea deserve a bit of punishment too - much like if a school bus driver decided to take the kids through a rough section of town (as a shortcut!) and some gang member shoots the bus up - yes, the bus driver should be in a lot of trouble for that, but that doesn't mean that the gang member who shot at the bus should be let off, even if nobody was hit.

    3. Re:Crucial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I googled "potentialprostitutes", and seems it was registered to svartholm wargs name while he was locked up. doubtful he has anything to do with it. dont think hes been tied to any other extortion scheme either, afaik.

    4. Re: Crucial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He offers an anonymous domain registration through a company called PRQ. For a fee, you get his name as the owner of a domain and they keep no records of the buyer. He is not part of the group responsible for 'potensialprostituts' .

  11. boohoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Swedish prisons are not like u.s prisons. Their clean, cells are bigger than most ny manhattan 1 bedroom apartments, they have tv's in each cell. Basically, the guy is in a motel.

    1. Re:boohoo by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      And most importantly they don't have rampant rape which is tolerated, encouraged and sometimes even perpetrated by the guards!

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  12. maximum penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh, and some other notes:
    2 years imprisonment is the maximum penalty stipulated by law for the crimes Warg's been convicted for.
    Swedish sentencing terms are not cumulative (no 999 years ridiculousness) so he will only serve a maximum of two years in prison for crimes that he has been convicted for in this particular trial, if the conviction stands. /AC

  13. the model is broken, but the machine still moves. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you cant destroy the pirate bay by simply arresting its founders, or any other torrent tracking system for that matter. its ludicrous.
    the internet as a system and community enacts a sort of triage when this happens, and its geometrically faster than the litigation the **aa tends to favour.
    One could argue rather convincingly that the advent of the magnet link was the downfall of the tradtional model of litigating peer-to-peer to death. Call me a cheerleader, but im sure Anakata understands that seven months of involuntary detention is no more an inconvenience than being roped into a particularly bad vodaphone contract.

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  14. Official says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And of course, they don't lie, not even by technicality, do they. Like "We have no ability to look at everyone's emails (because we don't have enough time to look at them all, we DO, however, have the ability to look at anyone's)".

  15. Re:the model is broken, but the machine still move by skaag · · Score: 1

    That's the kind of comment I was hoping for.

    Thank you.

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  16. Re:the model is broken, but the machine still move by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    seven months of involuntary detention is no more an inconvenience than being roped into a particularly bad vodaphone contract

    Wow, the Telcos really are getting worse day by day.

  17. Re:the model is broken, but the machine still move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This conviction is completely orthogonal to TPB.

  18. Slight difference... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    With phone contracts you only get shafted metaphorically. In prison on the other hand...

  19. Care packages? by mfh · · Score: 1

    Anyone have the jail address so we can send him care packages?

    I know he'd love to receive some reading material, hygiene products, junk food... etc. I think there are lots of posts on prisonlinks.com that talk about what you can and can't send a prisoner in the USA but I'm not sure about Sweden.

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    1. Re:Care packages? by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Send him your credit card, routing and bank account numbers.

      So he can do to you what he did to others.

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  20. How to show support in the USA by kurt555gs · · Score: 0

    We all should show support for free speech and protest Anakata's imprisonment. Since the main reasons he is jailed are the **AA, and the "Mickey Mouse Forever" Act, I thought we could express our sentiment by pissing on Sonny Bono's grave:

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.8197212,-116.4417191&spn=0.004205,0.005249

    I would have also suggested the same for Jack Valenti, however he is buried in Arlington National Cemetery so that might result in jail.

    This could be a great travel destination for those that value free speech.
         

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    1. Re:How to show support in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't about your frozen peaches, (Oh noes! My FREEZE PEACH!) and it's not anything to do with the **AA, Mickey Mouse, or Sonny Bono. It's about a particularly scuzzy douchebag getting arrested and sentenced for doing illegal things that had nothing to do with The Pirate Bay. If anything, the rest of the Pirate Bay crew should feel embarrassed at being associated with this guy.

  21. Re:the model is broken, but the machine still move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea cause they're really after TBP here. The dude committed an obvious UNRELATED crime, one even the groupthink morons here shouldn't be able to defend. He's got a reasonable jail sentence (probably another 7 months given what he's already served). Get over it.

  22. NOONE has gone to jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never liked Herman's Hermits anyway.

  23. It will probably (99%) go to higher court by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost all sentences in municipal court (Tingsrätten) except really simple cases like traffic violations are always tried in higher a higher (Hovrätten). More or less automatically if one part doesn't agree with it (and if one part doesn't the other part also appeals).

    His defense in this case is/was that there were open servers anyone of his "friends/acqauntinces/hacker community" could login to. (I think is was more or less a lab-server open for anybody who wanted access).

    I personally think it's more probable than not that he actually isn't the one who did the intrusion in this case (but he probably knows who did...), but who cares about facts or probable cause in Swedish courts (see TPB case) ;)

    (Anyway, maybe it's good for him spend some time in prision, away from drugs.)

  24. Re:the model is broken, but the machine still move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, prison is really getting worse day by day.

    Fixed that for you

  25. Shouldn't go to jail, but come on by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

    I mean every message and statement on TPB is about freedom and such, but then they basically distribute access to copyrighted content. Freedom is not selective. People have a right to distribute content, but people also have a right to protect their content, period.

    While you may not like copyright, its a law, and breaking the law is breaking the law.

    I don't believe, however, that exposing links to protected material is the same as distributing copyright material. Going after TPB is the easy route, going after the millions of peers that actually have the protected content is impossible. Providing plans how to build a bomb is not the same as someone taking those plans and building a bomb with intent to use it, for instance.

    However the the messaging of the TPB is watered down and idealistic. They want to be a mechanism to allow independents in music, video or other arts to have a mechanism to get content to the masses, which I wholeheartedly support, yet the primary and often only reason why people use TPB is to steal protected content. Why? Because its there.

    TPB will not change the minds of billion dollar companies to remove copyright and freely distribute content, nor should they. If I spend $100 million to make a movie, and take the risk to release it, I expect a return on that investment and have the "freedom" to have the content protected. Just because its easy to steal digital content doesn't make it valid. If it was easy to steal cars it doesn't make it a valid argument that I should be allowed to steal cars then.

    If TPB was serious about being a mechanism for content distribution for the "independent" then they should have changed their site long ago and blocked links to copyrighted content. I mean you can't be a champion for the independent when you don't respect people that also want to protect their investments.

    The fight against DRM and copyright is NOT THE SAME as providing a resource for independent content distribution, nobody is blocking independent content distribution, just look at YouTube and Vimeo and Tumblr and Instagram and a slew of other social content channels.

    TPB should switch to a streaming cloud service allowing independents to provide access to their content. Become the independent Netflix and Pandora and App or Game Store if they really believe in protecting the independent creator, but continuing to offer links to protected content and fighting for the rights of the independent is a mixed message and will only continue to cause them grief.

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    1. Re:Shouldn't go to jail, but come on by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Hes not in jail because of TBP in this case, but for hacking a bank and an IT firm, and then leaking a ton of customer data. I know this is slashdot and all, but its right there in the summary. Lets at least pretend to look informed before spouting off.

    2. Re:Shouldn't go to jail, but come on by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      However the the messaging of the TPB is watered down and idealistic. They want to be a mechanism to allow independents in music, video or other arts to have a mechanism to get content to the masses, which I wholeheartedly support, yet the primary and often only reason why people use TPB is to steal protected content. Why? Because its there.

      Well, it's there, and it's linked to via a site called "The Pirate Bay". Which also kinda undermines the suggestion that the "messaging" for The Pirate Bay is "to allow independents in music, video, or other arts to have a mechanism to get content to the masses". The messaging of the name of the organization is that they exist to facilitate copyright infringement.

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    3. Re:Shouldn't go to jail, but come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . If it was easy to steal cars it doesn't make it a valid argument that I should be allowed to steal cars then.

      If a car could be stolen and yet left in it's driveway, untouched, I don't think I'd have issues with it.

    4. Re:Shouldn't go to jail, but come on by alexo · · Score: 1

      people also have a right to protect their content, period.

      The content is not "theirs", period.

      While you may not like copyright, its a law, and breaking the law is breaking the law.

      Tell that to this bunch of criminals.
      Also, Sophocles would like to have a word with you.

  26. Is it a White collar Resort Prison? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Or a Federal pound me in the ass prison?

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  27. Re:the model is broken, but the machine still move by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

    Theyre not arresting him for pirate bay, but for all the other crap he does while showing contempt for the law.
    Right from the summary:

    for data breaches and aggravated fraud

    From the article:

    Svartholm Warg was convicted by the Nacka District Court after a hacking attack against Swedish IT firm Logica through which he gained unauthorized access to the personal data of thousands of people, which he then published on the net.

    The conviction was also for hacking into the mainframe of Nordea, Scandinavia's biggest bank.

    Please tell me how much of a miscarriage of justice it is that this guy be punished.

    And you get modded +5 insightful for providing zero insight into this discussion! You didnt even read the summary or article! The mind boggles.

  28. Re:Yer confused by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2

    Hey, will someone fix the troll-bot? He's broken again!

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  29. Ummm, no . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . shit, Sherlock. We know how to do the math on that one.

  30. At the end of his sentence by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I'm betting at the end of this sentence, he will be remanded into US custody for Crimes Against Corporate Profits, sentenced while on the Gulfstream, and sent directly to Club PMITA for 20 years or suicide whichever comes first.

    1. Re:At the end of his sentence by yuggler · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's very likely. But wouldn't it have been much easier for the CIA/FBI/RIAA etc. to make him "disappear" while in Cambodia? Sure, the Western nations have their problems, but when you want to do something that the average Joe finds despicable it's much easier to do it in countries without free press, where freedom of government information i lacking and where no part of affair affects any citizen of the country where it takes place? Had I been an evil mastermind of such a plot I surely would not have dragged it through the judiciary systems of (at least) two western nations (Sweden and the US) with the risk of civil liberties advocates and other peacemongers getting involved, but instead have sorted it out in the backwaters of southern Asia. But then again, why would a government that is incapable of completing any other task efficiently suddenly be any better than usual when it comes to covert black-ops?

    2. Re:At the end of his sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I hope they send him across the straight to Denmark where he is implicated in breaking into CSC computers hosting among other things the police files for driver licenses. These files contains the information necessary to commit indentity theft against all persons who has a drive license in Denmark (including me).

  31. Re:Is it a White collar Resort Prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "pound me in the ass prisons" only exist in fascist states. Unless anal rape is in the given sentence it should not happen.

  32. Re:Is it a White collar Resort Prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, he could do something epic. We in Sweden don't have "pound me in the ass prisons" and instead we had a scandal when a convicted pedophile was able to chat with kids online and download kiddie porn to his PC in prison. The TPB founder should consequently run TPB from prison.

  33. Re:the model is broken, but the machine still move by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the ad for a cell phone company (T-mobile I think) that showed people going into prison cells for a 2 year bid and saying they don't do that/don't have contracts.

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  34. Bank hacking and bank fraud are legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in Bhutan.