Latest Target In War On Drugs: Google Autocomplete
netbuzz writes "The National Association of Attorneys General met in Boston this week and one panel focused on the 'safe harbor' provision of 1996 Communications Decency Act. Within that broader discussion, Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood cited the autocomplete feature in Google search as evidence the company has more control over content than it contends. 'We know they manipulate the autocomplete feature,' Hood said, with his point being that there should be more such manipulation, not less. His primary example: a search on 'prescription drugs online' presents an autocomplete suggestion of 'prescription drugs online without a prescription.'"
Attorneys are ... :)
I would like to know what kind of drugs he was on when he tried searching for that.
...thus began this Anon's War on War
And so is anyone who accepts the proffered autocomplete options without thinking about what he wants to search for.
On the other hand, here's an opportunity for GoogleClippy. "It looks like you're searching for illegal drugs online. How can I help you with that?"
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The new front in the war on drugs: minor inconvenience. Take that, drugs!
A government official is looking for a moral crusade to fill his time and justify his paycheck. Mississippi Jim, on patrol!
Why try to stop people from searching for something they are searching for anyway? The algorithm probably just checks to see what common queries are completed using the text so far. How much time and money is going to be spent on something that isn't going to do anything but annoy Google users and developers? IANAL, but I thought ordering drugs online is legal in the US as long as it is not a controlled substance?
. . . it auto-completes with "The National Association of Attorneys General" . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
If a lot of people that started a search with "prescription drugs online" were searching for "prescription drugs online unicorns riding gorillas wearing purple napkin trampoline" then that is what autocomplete would suggest. Bloody hell, it's not like someone at Google is manually creating "suggestions" for people...
Perhaps 'prescription drugs online without a prescription' is a more common search query than 'prescription drugs online' ?
Also, somebody teach this idiot how incredibly difficult it is to adjust data retrieval algorithms is*, especially on Google's scale.
* = while maintaining acceptable performance across a massively distributed engine.
Will this Slashdot discussion focus on Google's responsibility for its autocomplete algorithm, or the ethics of buying drugs/medicine online and the questionable reasons some things require prescriptions at all (basic antibiotics, contact lenses, etc.)
Either way, I hope we see some good car analogies!
The Internet King? I wonder if he could provide faster nudity.
http://youtu.be/blB_X38YSxQ
Well, I was going to invite you to my annual "worldwide slashdotter tug of war" competition, but now I'm not sure I'll even host it again this year.
type "Is Jim Hood" and the second autocomplete result is:
still in jail
Pirate Pharmacist: Get all your illicit information on drugs that you could also get from a library or med school.
I'm sorry but your latest tactic is Blatant censorship
Obama's legacy: (N)othing (S)ecure (A)nywhere and (T)error (S)imulation (A)dministration
So the guy who hasn't got the faintest idea how autocompletions are generated is now the self-appointed policeman trying to save us all from it's evil clutches. The US legal system that allows prosecutors to decide you're guilty of something that's not even illegal and then side-step, tap-dance and threaten their convoluted way through the court system to make sure you get punished for it while leaving a trail of collateral damage longer and wider than Godzilla's last walk to the park to exercise his Labradoodle is about to be fired up for yet another nuclear strike against a nut that has the audacity not to leap out of it's shell upon psychic command. I do hope Google figure out how to limit the inevitable fall-out on a national level, I don't want 'Murica's laws imposed on my UK web habits.
end rambling rant
Oh, BTW, ability to manipulate != manually approving every combination
When you do something small and nice for a group of assholes, be it the government or the RIAA or whomever, then you set the expectation for that as the bare minimum across the board. There's no gratitude, they'll only say that you aren't doing enough. The second they started censoring autocomplete, it was an inevitability that crap like this would happen.
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Drugs will fuck up your life kid, so if we ever catch you using, buying and selling them we'll kidnap you and throw you in a cage and fuck up you and your family's lives.
Typical politics.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
chinese people
Let's end it along with the prescription system. Much like prohibition, the war on drugs only empowers cartels and drug companies. Not that there's really a difference between the two groups.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
One would think that when discussing the acts of constitutional illegality, that the speakers would try to at least not grin when purgering themselves.
Idiots like this make the world a less pleasant place to live.
Fortunately, Mississippi is a shithole that those who are
intelligent don't need to visit, so the influence of human waste
like Jim Hood won't reach very far.
other nefarious and dastardly plots these brave attorneys have uncovered:
1. an image search for 'boobies' using google image search can and will display, actual breasts.
2. Google translate can and will translate nearly a dozen highly offensive english words into any of more than 20 different languages.
3. a youtube search for 'collateral murder' will produce a video of american soldiers murdering journalists in iraq.
4. Google searches for the phrases "edward snowden" or "Julian Assange" provides shockingly inappropriate, unbiased information pertaining to united states foreign and domestic policy.
5. despite dire and repeated warnings by their trustworthy IT staff, google will in fact let you google the word 'google' without any safeguard for the catastrophic consequences that ensue.
6. despite providing readily available search results for filthy pill junkies, google search raises the ire of attorneys around the globe as it fails to provide a reliable and affordable source of high quality pure columbian cocaine for todays savvy litigators and high powered firms.
Good people go to bed earlier.
but now I'm not sure I'll even host it again this year.
After that guy showed up last year with his "tug-of-war robot overlord", there's really not much point to it. I mean, we could go for a bigger slab of concrete with a bigger nuclear-powered winch, but after a while it's just more work than fun.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
As soon as they deciding to do all kinds of manipulation they left themselves open to this kind of thing, and it seems like they pretty much have to go along with it, don't they? I mean, do they really want to make the case that showing someone an offensive word is worse than letting people see dangerous and questionably legal activities?
How much protection do Google users need from the horrors of the raw unfiltered internet? Gradually this will reduce the effectiveness of their search engine.
I have always suspected that Google autocomplete was on drugs.
Have gnu, will travel.
"why does my girlfriend smell" ....
but now I'm not sure I'll even host it again this year.
After that guy showed up last year with his "tug-of-war robot overlord", there's really not much point to it. I mean, we could go for a bigger slab of concrete with a bigger nuclear-powered winch, but after a while it's just more work than fun.
Just imagine a beowulf cluster of those.... You'd have to have some pretty hot grits to go up against that.
It auto-completes with "gullible"...
I got as far as "Mississippi Attorney General" and stopped reading, because I knew what followed would simultaneously knock points off my IQ and make me weep for the lost potential of a once-sentient species.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
Lessons from Google Autocomplete:
Try "how do u"
Then try other variants like "how does someone", "how does an individual", "how do I".
Conclusion: It's mostly illiterate people who get venereal disease. Stay away from them.
That shining beacon of Justice for All.
As far as I understand it, query autocomplete is mostly, but not entirely, social in nature - which turns out to be a pretty good predictor. It is quite likely that I will be looking for the same thing as millions of other people. I think autocomplete is probably a combination of social and algorithmic, And for me, even for technical queries, it works so well that sometimes I am astounded - or disappointed that I was not the first to have a brilliant idea.
I didn't know there were Brits in Congress...
I think his comment was about the US warmongering government. Not the warmongering autocomplete or the warmongering Google. I hope you can appreciate the not so subtle difference of the actual meaning of his post.
Other suggestions:
"how to reduce my carbon footprint" --- "and not seem smug and think I actually make a difference"
"why is the earth warming" --- "when the sun shines hotter and brighter"
"Apple is the greatest" --- "manipulator of marketing towards stupid people"
"when did the dinosaurs exist" --- "in the figment of a heathen's imagination"
"what is evolution" --- "but a plot to educate Christians"
"how to overthrow the US government" --- "and throw them a great party"
Also cool is the auto-complete will change based on whether you have a left wing or right wing (or right right wing) Congress.
"I am gay, where can I get married" --- "in a striking gorgeous taffeta suit" (Democrats)
"I am gay, where can I get married" --- "to a woman" (Republicans)
"I am gay, where can I get married" --- "and the authorities are already on their way to lock you freaks up, resistance is futile" (Tea Party)
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
See no evil
Hear no evil
Speak no evil
Think no evil
These are what the 3 monkeys advice. There are only 3 monkeys.
So some one DOES get it.
Just figured was time to give up any hope of anyone having any idea of what our mentality has turned to.
Thank you.
Are you still supporting forensic fraudster Steven Hayne?
http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/12/mississipip-ag-jim-hood-still
Do you have ESP?
Yes, somebody gets it, but there are only three of us:(
The National Association of Attorneys General
In English this means "National Association for the removal and criminalization of the 1st amendment and other pesky rights"
These Men and Women are the single most evil people out there in the USA, They enjoy destroying people's lives to further their own careers.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
you search "politics" for instance and a million ads for antidepressants come up.
perfect matches.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
What a complete self righteous moron. Doesn't he take into a account that autocomplete could also be based on popular searchs. So if one searches for prescriptions drugs without a prescription doesn't that tell you there's a big demand for it. Now if google popped something up and said "Use Tor and Silk Road to get your stuff, online pharmicies are a scam. Please don't send money to anyone in Cammeroon thank you." then I'd think there would be a case.
'prescription drugs online without a prescription.'
Which means he's not one damned bit concerned with illicit drug usage in the normal, life-destroying sense.
No, here's yet another ass who wants to make sure Merck and friends can get away with exponential overcharging of US citizens vs. the rest of the world.
Remember, kids, R&D takes a ton of money, that's why we put all our capital into telling you to ask your Doctor about Bullshitadart every other goddamned TV commercial.
so if autocomplete suggests ".... without prescription" to finish "prescription drugs online" well then that's what people are searching for....
you wanna fix the problem, mr. government... then give the masses what they're actually looking for: cheaper prescription drugs
You know what I do if what I'm searching for doesn't autopop up while I'm typing? I finish typing. I don't give up and say "fuck it, I guess what I want isn't out there" until I type it in and get no results.
I really hope the youth of today aren't so spoiled that they give up searching if what they're searching for isn't in the autocomplete buffer.
--- Keep the choice with the user..
Conservatives complain that Google employees have manipulated autocomplete to remove it for well known conservative commentators, when a few months before it was working. Examples include Pat Buchanon. It is a way to "non person" people that Google does not like.
That is acceptable behavior for a company with many, many alternatives, but given Google's dominance in search as a defacto monopoly, and holding all that data about people, conservatives are angry and offering solutions:
Regulate Google to insure no more non-personing of people Google does not like.
Break up Google into smaller, competing companies.
Make sure Google non-persons liberals and leftists -- aka turnabout is fair play. By forcing Google to do so or face fairly heavy taxation, fines for data privacy violation, etc. Google has played fast and loose with rules and laws for years, making them vulnerable to executive or Congressional action.
That last is probably the way things will go, and of course Liberals and Leftists face no turnabout/fair play retaliation as long as Republicans don't hold the Presidence or the House and Senate. Again, as long as Democrats hold the Presidency or the Senate.
Personally, I can't stand the Google auto-complete "feature" - and all the traffic (and, I'm sure Google tracking) it generates - and have it switched off. Furthermore, my local proxy/filter is configured to ensure it stays off. I don't enable Javascript on Google pages either. I'm not a Luddite, but just want a simple search page w/o crap, Javascript, animations, etc... I'm sure I'd have the same (or more) concerns/complaints about Bing, if I ever used it.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Has anyone considered that, "a search on 'prescription drugs online' presents an autocomplete suggestion of 'prescription drugs online without a prescription.' is actually the Right of a Free People to search out sources for items they wish to purchase AND that the really has no business interfering with a Free Person freely entered into contract with another Free Person?
End the War on (all) Drugs.
Where can you even find prescription drugs online without a prescription?
Sure there are a bunch of sites that claim they are legit.
But yeah, try spending some money with them.
What are you going to do when the package doesn't arrive? Call the cops?
And there are a few where you may get a delivery, but they are few and far between (very few if they still exist).
I think what works better in preventing people from buying prescription drugs online without a script is to let them spend some money.
When nothing comes in return they will see their neighborhood drug dealer (read: doctor) or another shady character that works on a corner.
Drugs are one of the most profitable industries in the world.
Neither the healthcare system nor crime orginizations would let a new economy take their share without blood.
I wonder if Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood ever considered that his browser cookies are affecting the results and he needs to stop searching for ways to support his habit?
To clarify your self fulfilling prophecy statement to other readers, it's like your favorite porn site. Most all of them have a button at the top that will show you the Most Favs, or Highest Views, Most Popular, etc. Have you ever actually clicked on that list? It is almost always the same 30 movies you've already cranked one out to 15 times. Why? Because the counters count the clicks, the views, the likes, etc. So when you watch what everyone else did, you incremented the counter keeping it at the top. Ad Infinitum. I have tried on multiple occasions to rig the system and put something crazy on the favs list like midget clown porn (hilarious fyi!) but I, alone, can't generate enough clicks by myself to get it to the top. Also, my hand goes numb. Some people like to call that game "Stranger" but it feels dead to me and I am not into Zombies or Necro in general. YMMV.
WHOOSH! Is this a whoosh moment? This is my first whoosh. Did I do it right? Just in case: thatsthejoke.jpg
Wow a score 5 for a redneck joke. Let me +5 Informative you: I live in TN outside of a military base and people from up north and out west are just as racist as anyone else around here. IE, some are bad, hateful, useless sacks of meat and some are loving and accepting of other's differences. Some don't give 2 fucks. I know you think Miss has earned it's rep and in ways it has but your post was most definitely a TROLL and if you want to get into a link war on dumb shit found in MS, I can show you a link for damned near any other state. Who wants to go first?
Auto-complete is the number 1 reason i quit using Google.
Jack of all trades,master of none
The national anthem has shifted from, "Oh say can you see" into "I want to hold your hand".
If you don't trust the people, the people will not trust you.
People will realize the danger and adjust.
Spoilsports! We'd got our new carbon-nanotube diamond double-helix anchoring ropes into production and now you pull out on us. Wimps!
Guess we'll just have to junk the cable now, unless these people wanting to build a space elevator are serious about wanting 30,000 km of the stuff.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Anyone up for a round of Google or Gavin?