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Latest Target In War On Drugs: Google Autocomplete

netbuzz writes "The National Association of Attorneys General met in Boston this week and one panel focused on the 'safe harbor' provision of 1996 Communications Decency Act. Within that broader discussion, Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood cited the autocomplete feature in Google search as evidence the company has more control over content than it contends. 'We know they manipulate the autocomplete feature,' Hood said, with his point being that there should be more such manipulation, not less. His primary example: a search on 'prescription drugs online' presents an autocomplete suggestion of 'prescription drugs online without a prescription.'"

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  1. google this by ciderbrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    Attorneys are ... :)

    1. Re:google this by fonetik · · Score: 2

      "Politicians are..." yields more accurate results.

    2. Re:google this by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      I guess Attorneys have so much work that First Amendment Issues are a nuisance?

      And while we're on the subject of Attorney's. Given; if client A is in conference with attorney B, and person C comes into the discussion to talk with client A about how to commit an act of fraud. Question; Does the conversation between client A and person C in front of attorney B fall under the "Attorney–client privilege?"

      You forgot to add "asking for a friend" to your question...

    3. Re:google this by HappyPsycho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Theres my daily dose of laughter and loss of faith in humanity,

      One of my suggestions was "attorneys are doctors"!

      The funny one was "attorneys aren't us" (a play on alcho annonomous)

    4. Re:google this by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Attorneys are ... :)

      Welcome to the world of crowd sourced search trends, and self fulfilling prophesies.

      The truth is autocomplete isn't manipulated, its crowd sourced in real time. No conspiracy, no secret room full of minions trained to push an agenda. Just statistical weighting of what hundreds of thousands of people are searching for. If you don't like the results blame the users, because, in fact, that is exactly the source.

      Why is this so hard for politicians (and anyone else with an ax to grind) to understand. You read about people suing google all over the world for the same thing, (and mostly losing except in France).
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    5. Re:google this by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Informative

      In general the answer is no. Courtesy of a general counsel briefing on ACP:

      Communications in the Presence of a Third Party

      The privilege extends only to communications that the client intends to be confidential. Communications made in non-private settings, or in the presence of third persons unnecessary to accomplish the purpose for which the attorney was consulted, are not confidential and are not protected by the privilege.

    6. Re:google this by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I'm just trying to figure out how Goldman-Sucks, et.al. got away with things like "robo signing," and "conflict of interest issues."

      That's easy. The Justice Department is blind to crimes by the big Wall Street outfits.

      And when they do get caught, they are fined a pittance compared to their windfall from the crime.

      If you neglect to put a dollar in the parking meter, you will be fined more than FIFTY times the amount of your crime. If a bank steals $10billion, the fine is maybe 1/500th of that.

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    7. Re:google this by QRDeNameland · · Score: 2

      The truth is autocomplete isn't manipulated, its crowd sourced in real time. No conspiracy, no secret room full of minions trained to push an agenda. Just statistical weighting of what hundreds of thousands of people are searching for. If you don't like the results blame the users, because, in fact, that is exactly the source.

      I question that. For quite a while now, "Pirate Bay" will not autocomplete from either the Google main page or the Firefox search bar unless it is pulling it up from a previous search you did. It used to be the first result by "pir". Not sure how crowd sourcing would account for that.

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    8. Re:google this by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've never googled Pirate Bay on this account. Until now.
      Yet as soon as I entered the word Pirate the second auto-complete was for thepiratebay.se (which led to a different site altogether).

      Some things are forcibly excluded from search results by various laws in various places, so it might not work for me but would work for someone else.

      Still, that is the "legally mandated exclusive case", but that wouldn't explain or refute the "crowd sourced inclusive case".

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    9. Re:google this by Urza9814 · · Score: 2

      This Economic Hydra Effect is nasty. I'm just trying to figure out how Goldman-Sucks, et.al. got away with things like "robo signing," and "conflict of interest issues." I wonder, "how could a group of people do this, and get away with it?" A possible solution was, "put your attorney in the mix, and all communications are privileged."

      The DoJ freely admits that they have plenty of evidence to prosecute them...they just don't want to.

      From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/too-big-to-jail-obama-justice_n_3322824.html:

      DOJ officials have previously defended the lack of criminal charges against banks suspected of wrongdoing in large part by pointing to the so-called “collateral consequences” associated with filing a criminal indictment against a leading financial institution.

  2. Re:FUCK Your WAR. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...thus began this Anon's War on War

  3. He's a moron by cellocgw · · Score: 5, Funny

    And so is anyone who accepts the proffered autocomplete options without thinking about what he wants to search for.

    On the other hand, here's an opportunity for GoogleClippy. "It looks like you're searching for illegal drugs online. How can I help you with that?"

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    1. Re:He's a moron by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least it sounds like he's focusing on drug abuse that traditionally gets ignored.

      "Pot and crack? Yes, lock all of them up, those criminal scum.

      Oxycodone and hydrocodone? Hey man, sitting on your fat ass in a chair and blabbing about how liberals are destroying society all day is tough. Rush NEEDS those pain pills. That shouldn't be jail time!"

    2. Re:He's a moron by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Prohibition is bad policy. There's no "at least he's" when he's implementing bad policy. The right thing to do is advocate against bad policy. If he can't do that as AG, then he should quit. Keeping his job and implementing bad policy should earn him nothing but contempt.

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    3. Re:He's a moron by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      I must be one of these morons. It often happens to me that Google Chrome address-bar (omnibar) throws in the auto-completion just when I'm about to press the enter. Then after looking at results for a while I find out the stuff I typed is appended with crap.

      Now that I bothered to write about my stupidity, I'm considering turning the auto-completion off from address-bar.

      The chrome address bar autocomplete only fills in more than you type in two cases; if you are typing part of a word that will get turned into a "We think you mean to search for X" anyway, or a search you have already executed that started with the same text. An off-the-cuff search won't use the live suggested search results to autocomplete your search.

    4. Re:He's a moron by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Decades of prohibition against relatively harmless drugs, and preferentially the ones that poor minorities use, but no, I'm the hateful one here for pointing it out...

    5. Re:He's a moron by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Perhaps the best way to get society to demand the war on drugs end is to prosecute the middle and upper class like we do the lower class. Lock up people who abuse prescription drugs, and lawyers who do coke, and throw away the key. The public is slowly admitting that maybe pot isn't that bad, but they don't feel strongly enough about it because no one they know is fucked over for victimless crimes.

    6. Re:He's a moron by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps the best way to get society to demand the war on drugs end is to prosecute the middle and upper class like we do the lower class

      If you could do that, it would solve most of our problems. The whole point of government is to protect the weak from the strong, but in practice it protects the strong from the weak.

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  4. The new front... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The new front in the war on drugs: minor inconvenience. Take that, drugs!

  5. Danger! by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A government official is looking for a moral crusade to fill his time and justify his paycheck. Mississippi Jim, on patrol!

    1. Re:Danger! by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe he's angry about his own autocomplete results,

      Why is Jim Hood...

      Why is Jim Hood still in jail

      Why is Jim Hood a democrat

      Why is Jim Hood a republican

  6. wasteful by hurwak-feg · · Score: 2

    Why try to stop people from searching for something they are searching for anyway? The algorithm probably just checks to see what common queries are completed using the text so far. How much time and money is going to be spent on something that isn't going to do anything but annoy Google users and developers? IANAL, but I thought ordering drugs online is legal in the US as long as it is not a controlled substance?

    1. Re:wasteful by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why try to stop people from searching for something they are searching for anyway?

      Because they believe that Google should be at the front line of essentially censoring the internet to only return things they feel are 'acceptable'.

      The government can't censor you (yet), but if they can strong-arm a company into doing it for them, it must be OK, right?

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    2. Re:wasteful by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      The problem is that nobody understands what volunteer means. They chose to do some things without being forced to, so now assholes like Jim Hood think they should be forced to do even more. That's seven kinds of stupid.

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    3. Re:wasteful by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Google does it for monetary reasons.

      The government does it for control reasons.

      That's not just a difference of the level of acceptability.

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  7. Strange, if you type in "Douchebags" . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . it auto-completes with "The National Association of Attorneys General" . . .

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    1. Re:Strange, if you type in "Douchebags" . . . by dinfinity · · Score: 2

      Slashdot/reddit/4chan could probably make that happen.

      How many unique searches for something like 'Jim Hood is an idiot covered in hot grits' would it really take before that shows up in in the autocomplete?

  8. but...that's...not how it works... by dAzED1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If a lot of people that started a search with "prescription drugs online" were searching for "prescription drugs online unicorns riding gorillas wearing purple napkin trampoline" then that is what autocomplete would suggest. Bloody hell, it's not like someone at Google is manually creating "suggestions" for people...

    1. Re:but...that's...not how it works... by lightknight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But "think of the children" ! Oh, and obviously anyone using a search query like that is probably up to no good (probably looking for illicit drugs)...maybe Google should start profiling the people who search with these kinds of queries, and tip off law enforcement, so we can have a safer society and stuff. You know, just send a copy of that person's search history for the last month and GPS location to a nearby police station, and the police will have a look around the premises for anything incriminating. To help bootstrap the process, right? Because that's the society we live...one that's constantly looking for someone to thump, by any means.

      Oh, to live on a different plane of existence where stupidity like this does not exist.

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  9. blame this guy by Valen1260 · · Score: 5, Funny
  10. Re:FUCK Your WAR. by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I was going to invite you to my annual "worldwide slashdotter tug of war" competition, but now I'm not sure I'll even host it again this year.

  11. Autocomplete "Jim Hood" by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

    type "Is Jim Hood" and the second autocomplete result is:

    still in jail

  12. coming soon: Pirate Pharmacist by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2

    Pirate Pharmacist: Get all your illicit information on drugs that you could also get from a library or med school.

    I'm sorry but your latest tactic is Blatant censorship

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  13. They should know by now by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you do something small and nice for a group of assholes, be it the government or the RIAA or whomever, then you set the expectation for that as the bare minimum across the board. There's no gratitude, they'll only say that you aren't doing enough. The second they started censoring autocomplete, it was an inevitability that crap like this would happen.

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  14. Drugs will... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Drugs will fuck up your life kid, so if we ever catch you using, buying and selling them we'll kidnap you and throw you in a cage and fuck up you and your family's lives.

    Typical politics.

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    1. Re:Drugs will... by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      Unless you operate a Compounding Pharmacy?

  15. The war on drugs is a waste of time and money. by intermodal · · Score: 2

    Let's end it along with the prescription system. Much like prohibition, the war on drugs only empowers cartels and drug companies. Not that there's really a difference between the two groups.

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  16. down the rabbit hole we go by nimbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    other nefarious and dastardly plots these brave attorneys have uncovered:
    1. an image search for 'boobies' using google image search can and will display, actual breasts.
    2. Google translate can and will translate nearly a dozen highly offensive english words into any of more than 20 different languages.
    3. a youtube search for 'collateral murder' will produce a video of american soldiers murdering journalists in iraq.
    4. Google searches for the phrases "edward snowden" or "Julian Assange" provides shockingly inappropriate, unbiased information pertaining to united states foreign and domestic policy.
    5. despite dire and repeated warnings by their trustworthy IT staff, google will in fact let you google the word 'google' without any safeguard for the catastrophic consequences that ensue.
    6. despite providing readily available search results for filthy pill junkies, google search raises the ire of attorneys around the globe as it fails to provide a reliable and affordable source of high quality pure columbian cocaine for todays savvy litigators and high powered firms.

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  17. Re:FUCK Your WAR. by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Funny

    but now I'm not sure I'll even host it again this year.

    After that guy showed up last year with his "tug-of-war robot overlord", there's really not much point to it. I mean, we could go for a bigger slab of concrete with a bigger nuclear-powered winch, but after a while it's just more work than fun.

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  18. Google's self censorship .. slippery slope? by jbohumil · · Score: 2
    I was surprised. Yesterday I wanted to play John Lennon's song "Woman is the nigger of the world" for a friend who had never heard it. Google autocomplete shut off at the "n" and wouldn't show the song's title. Google has made their own bed here by manipulating their autocomplete for a variety of reasons already. They certainly can't complain that they can't do it, or that it is too hard. They are doing it, and for fairly trivial situations such as avoiding presenting a disturbing word to a search engine user. This opens up the door for all kinds of requests for censorship, whether the politically correct ones like preventing the dread "n word" from appearing without someone actually typing it, or this idea that people can be prevented from visiting questionably legal sites by manipulation of autocomplete.

    As soon as they deciding to do all kinds of manipulation they left themselves open to this kind of thing, and it seems like they pretty much have to go along with it, don't they? I mean, do they really want to make the case that showing someone an offensive word is worse than letting people see dangerous and questionably legal activities?

    How much protection do Google users need from the horrors of the raw unfiltered internet? Gradually this will reduce the effectiveness of their search engine.

  19. Yes! by PPH · · Score: 2

    I have always suspected that Google autocomplete was on drugs.

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  20. Strange, if you type in "I am"... by Iniamyen · · Score: 5, Funny

    It auto-completes with "gullible"...

  21. Autostop reading by paiute · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I got as far as "Mississippi Attorney General" and stopped reading, because I knew what followed would simultaneously knock points off my IQ and make me weep for the lost potential of a once-sentient species.

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  22. Re:Yeah, he's an idiot. by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also, somebody teach this idiot how incredibly difficult it is to adjust data retrieval algorithms is*, especially on Google's scale.

    Actually, the algorithms adjust themselves, in real time, all the time, based on trending searches.

    That is why they are so successful. They are crowd sourced.

    Everyone thinks they are so unique and individual and different from everybody else. They are totally shocked to find out they have exactly the same thought patterns as a large percentage of other people. I often see something on TV, reach for my tablet and google a couple words, only to have auto complete suggest almost exactly the next few words I was going to enter. 60 million other viewers saw the same thing, and decided to do the same search, and at least half are faster than I am. Its worked this way forever, and without it I'd still be clueless about who Amanda Witherspoon is.

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  23. Re:Yeah, he's an idiot. by nabsltd · · Score: 2

    Also, somebody teach this idiot how incredibly difficult it is to adjust data retrieval algorithms is*, especially on Google's scale.

    Actually, the algorithms adjust themselves, in real time, all the time, based on trending searches.

    In addition, the algorithm is personalized based on your previous searches (although you can turn this off).

    So, an attorney general who accepted the auto-complete for "prescription drugs online without a prescription" would be more likely to see that as the first recommendation when subsequently typing "prescription drugs online" into the Google search box.

  24. Re:I wonder which... by Chirs · · Score: 2

    he reason doctors prescribe antibiotics even if the person has a viral illness is because of secondary or opportunistic infections.

    It's *also* because people want the doctor to do something to make them feel better. I've heard multiple doctors admit that they do stuff with no sound medical basis because it makes the patients feel like they're doing something useful.

  25. Autocomplete Smotocomplete... by bjwest · · Score: 2

    You know what I do if what I'm searching for doesn't autopop up while I'm typing? I finish typing. I don't give up and say "fuck it, I guess what I want isn't out there" until I type it in and get no results.

    I really hope the youth of today aren't so spoiled that they give up searching if what they're searching for isn't in the autocomplete buffer.

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  26. Re:why am i so terrified of by lgw · · Score: 2

    Heh, that really is a Google auto-complete.

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