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Google Preparing "Google Mine" For Organizing and Sharing Your Stuff On Google+
MojoKid writes "George Carlin said it best, we all 'need a place to put our stuff.' It seems the folks at Google understand this age old wisdom as well and as such will be launching a new service. Google Mine will reportedly soon be integrated with Google+ so that users can share their belongings with friends in circles they so designate. The new service will also allow G+ users to rate and review items as well, so that anyone in your Google+ stream that you allow, can see the items and your opinion of them. Reportedly there is also an Android app on the way for Mine, which seems like a natural of course, for sharing your stuff on the go. What's perhaps most interesting about the prospects of Google+ Mine could be the secondary benefit that Google receives from data 'mining' your shares on the items you own, use or want."
They couldn't have chosen a more ironic name for it if they tried to. Or could they, /. ?
Boy, not sure what I'm more excited about. The "What's the Vic's net worth?" facial recognition application for Google Glass or this great new tool for burglars.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I'm just waiting for the day when i have to close my gmail account due to the autoshare feature where all my g+ contacts get a a "Meh just received an email from amazon where he bought a facial massage, click here to buy too!"
Most people have too much stuff, and we don't even realize it. Get rid of half your stuff and you will find it incredibly liberating. You will discover that you your residence is less cluttered, it's easier to focus, it takes less time to clean and it's easier to spend time at your residence. Donate it, sell it, give it away, loan it, just plain get rid of it. You'll thank yourself for long afterwords.
Location service [X]
social networking system to say when out [X]
Home information based upon past social posts [X]
List of property [X]
One bad share later...
In Soviet Russia Google mines YOU!
I wonder who is dopey enough to use this?
These last couple of years are taking the shape of a creepy social experiment in which calloused developers working for billionaire corporations, see just how far they can go. "New app lets you share with all your friends and social-network-acquaintances the consistency of your last poop." Wow! Now with new icons and a fantastic new color scheme! Available for iphone, android, Blackberry, but not Winphone (sorry, folks)!
Then watch everyone rush out and coo over the new app, forgetting the fact they're now publicizing something even more personal than the last time.
How far will they go? I dunno - how far will we let them? Me, I'm going anti-social, and fast. This new social network trend is a recipe for disaster, and I plan on laughing about it from the safety of my underground weapons cache and tinfoil hat collection.
If this were Usenet, I'd killfile the lot of you.
Don't confuse what slashdot nerds care about with what people care about in the real world. Slashdot groupthink is representative of about 0.1% of the real world, tops. It's insignificant when it comes to market influences.
In the real world, nobody has a problem with google, and they are happy with google's free services. So happy that I know very few people who don't use gmail, and nobody who doesn't use google search, google maps, and google apps if they have an Android phone.
That will continue to be true no matter how much you nerdrage against them. Get used to it.
I would never share anything with my friends without letting the NSA know.
"He's onto us! It leaked!" ..."
"We'll have to rush to drop it at AppStore!"
"Did we flush all the bugs?"
"Yes, it's solid!
OK, OK, I've got it, I'm leaving now, I'm leaving by myself, no need to use force...
I don't think GC would appreciate being associated with this unless it was to make fun of the people that are using it.
If by first collaborate you mean the first to fight the requests and release the number of requests to the public then yes. There is also a huge difference between the potential to use a power for evil and actually doing it. They ain't perfect but they're miles better than *all* of their competitors, explaining the FUD spread by ACs like you over the last few years.
and all over NSA underpants.
Google's new storage service: MINE!!!!!
Mine!
Mine!
Mine!
Unless it violates the law. Then it's yours and we'll tell the FBI about it.
...goes kaput?
at this point, only fools trust google to keep things running. put your 'stuff' there, get used to it and in a year or two, they change their minds and either change the terms on you or outright cancel it.
I would not touch google services ever again. 'free' is not free when you have to spend time, later on, relocating.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
One Timex digital watch, broken. One unused prophylactic. One soiled. One black suit jacket, one pair black suit pants. One hat, black. One pair of sunglasses. $23.07. Sign here.
The only thing better than stupid opinions people express on Yelp is having my own personal Yelp where people write their idiotic opinions about my house and possessions.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Pretending to give a shit about your privacy.
Try Russia. They substitute Yandex for everything Google.
Coding etudes
Google scares the hell out me. The stuff coming out of there has become really creepy. Are we on a unstoppable path to a Dystopian future?
As long as you consider that everything you put in the cloud is essentially public, or at least, that have access to it specifically the people that could damage you more having access to it (even by misunderstanding it), is up to you. At the very least until Google relocates itself on their own data heaven outside any national jurisdiction.
most people do like to boast about their possessions. I wonder if it will ensure some kind of truth policy like the real name policy on some sites - "Sorry, Porsche is not a valid item for Your social circle".
More like, with the IRS.
Neither slashdot summary nor TFA give me a clear idea of what this stuff is about. Am I getting old or is it just too early in the morning?
At least I understood this is about giving Google some personal data. But that (Google + personal data) is a easy finding
But this is not the government, which is for the people, by the people (the NSA's government, that is).
This is capitalist juggernaut sucking up all your data, reading your e-mails, eating your cookies and storing your wifi data so your phone knows where you are, and so does Google, so it can market intrusive ads to you. It's completely different.
They require use of G+? How many times must I close a tab in order not to accept its TOS?
no face, no space.. /.'s as social as I get. Screw G+
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The notion that the government will not molest the biggest collector of marketing data is insane.
What I'd like to know is if Google could expect to say "no" and not suffer for it.
Why I even heard that the FTC was nudged into going after Google for antitrust issues even though there were other companies that were at least twice as bad.
Strangely, at the time, Google was also one of the most uncooperative companies with the government.
They shut down money sinks, and are opening up potential new revenue streams. That's how business keeps moving forward. The reason for the closings and new launches is the same - profit.
They had to explain it to the users without alienating users. "Your service that you like costs us too much money and isn't popular enough to monetize" doesn't have that snazzy ring to it.
Google seems very much in control of themselves, outside of the various FTC probes they will be subjected to since they are trying to monopolize all data everywhere, as the stretch goal.
And the funny thing is that there are all these alternatives out there. If you really cannot live without commercial systems, at least spread out the information among several of them that are owned by different companies. Or you can just use something like DuckDuckGo as your search engine, French DailyMotion for videos, rent your own website/e-mail and get your own domain. You can use that system to put files on the "cloud" with old-fashioned FTP.
Those are very easy things to do, even if they are not flashy as using the latest Google Drive, etc.
Sure, this move benefits Google greatly -you're tagging their database and giving them more personal info, for free.
For the user though, not so much. If you've bought a hot new phone and want to show it off, its much more satisfying to do it in person where you can gush over it and more importantly, see your friend's reaction.
If you must share the news online, theres so many other ways to do it, over FB or Twitter for instance. All this instrusiveness achieves is make people more wary of using G+.
the amount of tin-foil-hat crazy on here needs to stop. From what I gather, this is not only optional, but is even then just a tool to show cool stuff to people. Ever buy a new _ and tell people about it? Or get a message from a friend about their cool new _? That's all this is. Get over yourselves. I like Slashdot because it discusses what other news sources ignore, but every time I see crazy on this scale, I start considering finding a new source. There's also this thing called Ebay. And places where you can store your stuff. Time to jump off a cliff? Please hurry, and leave the rest of us alone.
No, he said "stuff". C'mon, dude, the title of the fucking album is A Place for My Stuff . Have some respect and don't misquote Carlin:
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You cannot wash away blood with blood
I remember the time when cookies being set was such a big deal. I remember seeing Leo Laporte (on ZDNet.. the screensavers? ) admonish websites who didn't have a privacy policy stating that they would never log your IP/access to their website or set any cookies. How times have changed :)
It looks like Google tries to make G+ even more confusing. They seem panicked in finding something to up Facebook. I have a suggestion, call it Google Everything. We know that's coming anyway, right? So let's tattoo our G+ ID as barcode on our arms or foreheads and get it done with.
Curiously yours, crip.
I work in used stuff (vintage, antiques, etc.) and the price of 1930s high school yearbooks is quite interesting. I guess Google's future rights to sell access to dead people's images is a good investment. If I'm really bothered by it I can buy shares in Google or start my own depository. I just hope each time Disney and Friends gets congress to further extend their exclusive rights to Disney creations like Pocahontas and Sleeping Beauty, that we'll also get the copyright to our "data mine" extended, so I can freeze my head like Uncle Walt and enjoy the proceeds as much as he will when they defrost him.
Gently reply
I'm preparing to migrate away from as many Google services as possible.
Hey guys, what are you not talking about?
Or you can just use something like [...] French DailyMotion for videos
Sure, now show me the tool that converts all the embedded YouTube videos and YouTube video links to their DailyMotion equivalents.
You can use that system to put files on the "cloud" with old-fashioned FTP.
That is terrible advice. Try sending your technologically challenged friends a file from your phone that only they can open, on their phone, using old-fashioned FTP. Even if you manage to somehow do it, it will be such a huge pain in the ass that you'll probably never do it again.
Personally, I see BitTorrent Sync (-like solutions) combined with proper upstream bandwidth going a long way.
I'm not saying one shouldn't look for alternatives, just that it isn't always as doable and easy as you imply.
Described by me here, but others had the idea before: http://www.pdfernhout.net/post-scarcity-princeton.html#Princeton_University_Freecycle_Transportation_Network_--_an_internet_of_physical_packages
From there, as a disclosure to make it harder to patent it all:
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Princeton University Freecycle Transportation Network -- an internet of physical packages
Here is just one more example of changes to PU's infrastructure and operations from a Post-Scarcity point of view. These might take burning another billion dollars of the PU endowment or so, but you will see soon another reason why money is going out of style anyway, whether PU does this or someone else. :-) But, there may well be reasonable objections to it, so consider it first mainly as a thought experiment in understanding Post-Scarcity style issues. Maybe it is both possible and worth doing, maybe it is neither.
A big problem in a post-scarcity society is not so much how to make abundance, but how to get rid of it. :-) The Freecycle network mentioned at the start is an example of that:
http://www.freecycle.org/
Or, from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Freecycle_Network
"The Freecycle Network (often abbreviated TFN or just known as Freecycle) is a non-profit organization ... that organizes a worldwide network of "gifting" groups, aiming to divert reusable goods from landfill. It provides a worldwide online registry, and coordinates the creation of local groups and forums for individuals and non-profits to offer and receive free items for reuse or recycling, promoting gift economics as a motivating cultural outlook. "Changing the world one gift at a time" is The Freecycle Network's official tagline. "
(Note that "Freecycle" is a trademark, so if PU used it, it would need permission.)
Obviously, long term the solution in a few decades might be general purpose nanotech 3D printers that can both "print" (or "compile") and "unprint" (or "decompile").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age
Perhaps you don't believe that kind of 3D printing and unprinting is possible or even desirable (perhaps due to energy costs of disassembly). Or maybe you think 3D printing might be possible, but would take a long time. Or perhaps you expect much production and disposal may still be centralized at least at the neighborhood level. Or maybe you expect that people will still have sentimental attachments to specific items they wish to store and retrieve. So, until all those issues are resolved for 3D printing, how can PU handle the embarrasment of material riches it has now and will soon have more of? And how can it make it *easy* to do the same as "The Freecycle Network" does -- give away items to people who want them instead of sending them to a landfill?
Material transportation and storage systems (like Amazon uses) could play a big role here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos ('86)
As could interactive computer information systems on material goods (like eBay pioneered).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Whitman ('77)
How might these be used together?
Princeton University could put in place a system of kiosks around campus which had what looked like Star Trek matter replicators. These would all be connected underground to one or more warehouses. Whenever anyone needed anything on campus, they would go to a kiosk and flip through
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
I'd actually been thinking about a service somewhat like this for a while now, but apparently missed my opportunity to have my app bought out by Google. Pity.
The problem with Google's project is it appears (I haven't read TFA yet) to only go half-way: it allows me to list the stuff I've got, but doesn't allow me to share my stuff with my friends. I'm much less interested in putting up an inventory of everything I own to allow my friends to tell me how much it sucks than I am in putting certain things up that I want to share with certain people (i.e. my circular saw, my DVD collection, etc.) and then tracking the loans online. THAT is the power of the online social inventory system!
And the more you get rid of, the more the rest of us can buy at used prices, reducing our COL, stress, and shopping angst. Works for me. Get rid of stuff! Stuff is bad! Particularly stuff like, um, money, yeah, and cute girlfriends, and um, let's see, great audio gear, fine guitars, and... oh, hey, stuff like an original Apple I, you have one of those, it's *really* ruining your life, just email me and I'll solve your horrible problem; I'll pick it up personally for you. I am your best friend in this matter. Carry on, now.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Yes, because WE are the ones that bought that shit in the first place. It defines us because we defined it, by virtue of our choices. If you want to get all "deep" and "zen" about it, I'd suggest taking up a nu-age yoga class so you can leave the rest of us alone. Damn hippies.
Techno-hipster cries "wolf". Yawn.
Well, Google was third on the list in one of the diagrams, not first. And Google doesn't collaborate with the NSA other than manually responding to national security letters, which they are required to do by law.
I've been inside the Google datacenters, for weeks at a time, including the CCNRs (network hardware center). There is no way that NSA has direct access to Google, unless there was a conspiracy involving thousands of people, including me.
The only information that Google cares about is what you in the market for.
But, I work for Google. So, maybe I'm lying. On the other hand, you are an anonymous coward with no real information. All you have it a tinfoil hat.
We should be moving toward keeping all our 'stuff' in a distributed individual server which we personally control, but services can access via standard API.
There is a new project toward building this interoperable API - tent.io . It is just getting started, but deserves community support.
Well not everybody will have the knowledge to do these things. I understand that, but you can perfectly use something like WebDAV if you know a little bit about Linux/Apache, and when you do you can give your friends access and split the bills for hosting if you like. It's more that if people realize that there are options for most of that stuff things are totally doable.
As far as converting YouTube videos to DailyMotion it is really easy to do. Just get any YouTube downloader app from CNET Download.com and just upload the video afterwards. Main issue is copyrights, but DailyMotion has a lot of stuff so it's not like you cannot live without it.
Well not everybody will have the knowledge to do these things. I understand that, but you can perfectly use something like WebDAV if you know a little bit about Linux/Apache, and when you do you can give your friends access and split the bills for hosting if you like.
For some definitions of 'perfectly'.
1. Start Whatsapp.
2. Open group chat.
3. Send attachment.
Alternatively:
1. Open file
2. (on Android) Share/send to using: Google Drive/Dropbox.
Both methods allow sharing something with multiple receivers and only those receivers, and require almost no effort of the receivers.
Let's be honest: the only private alternative that is (almost) as easy for everybody as the above is to roll your own centralised Google Drive/Dropbox alternative like owncloud or using a distributed system like BTSync.
As far as converting YouTube videos to DailyMotion it is really easy to do. Just get any YouTube downloader app from CNET Download.com and just upload the video afterwards. Main issue is copyrights, but DailyMotion has a lot of stuff so it's not like you cannot live without it.
Really? You're suggesting that for the myriad of pages I view that contain YouTube content, I have to use a YouTube downloader that still hands my IP to GoogleTube to download the embedded videos/links?. Even disregarding the folly of reuploading it to DailyMotion, that is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Don't get me wrong, I largely agree with where you're coming from, but I think suggesting things like FTP and DailyMotion is hurting the cause more than benefiting it.
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