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NSA Releases Secret Pre-History of Computers

An anonymous reader writes "The National Security Agency has declassified an eye-opening pre-history of computers used for code-breaking between the 1930s and 1960s. The 344 page report, entitled It Wasn't All Magic: The Early Struggle to Automate Cryptanalysis (pdf), it is available on the Government Attic web site. Government Attic has also just posted a somewhat less declassified NSA compendium from 1993: A Collection of Writings on Traffic Analysis. (pdf)"

167 comments

  1. Pay no attention by Tokolosh · · Score: 5, Funny

    to the man in the Russian airport.

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    1. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What man? The media is now reporting that Snowden never made it to Moscow. In fact, they are now reporting that there is no record of a US citizen with that name, anymore. It was all a big misunderstanding. It was just an intelligence training exercise.

    2. Re:Pay no attention by Megane · · Score: 1

      You mean it wasn't just a viral advertisement for next year's "average guy hunted down by the government for knowing too much" blockbuster movie?

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    3. Re:Pay no attention by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All part of damage control - got to raise public opinion quick smart. You have no idea how many talking points have been written in the last week or so for the media employees (talk show and news anchors etc) to sprout off over in the next few days/months. Muddy, confuse, distract... ahh, propaganda...

    4. Re:Pay no attention by ibwolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pay no attention to the man in the Russian airport.

      No, they want you to pay attention to him, to this, to ANYTHING except for what they (the US government and the NSA in particular) are actually doing with regards to you personal liberties. That is what they are trying to distract you from thinking about.

    5. Re:Pay no attention by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is exactly what I was thinking. Since their secret program just blew up like semtex in a times square car bomb, they need to do some quick spin control. Look how we move tech forward people! Don't look at what we are doing now....look at new stuff we want to tell you about the past!

      Don't pay any mind to the way we spread our own brand of terror like anthrax spores through the sears tower ventilation system. Just pay attention to the muslamic terror groups that we want you to be afraid of, thats the terror that we are trying to create here for our purposes.

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    6. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      NSA are the terrorist.

    7. Re:Pay no attention by ahabswhale · · Score: 3

      War is Peace
      Freedom is Slavery
      Ignorance is Strength

      (I tried to do all caps like in the book but /. wouldn't let me)

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    8. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are now reporting that there is no record of a US citizen with that name

      At the risk of feeding a troll, being wooshed, or having the black helicopters come find me, I have some middle school yearbooks which say otherwise.

      If the media really is reporting that Edward Snowden is a made up person, please, provide a citation.

    9. Re:Pay no attention by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      were there any alarm words you left out?

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    10. Re:Pay no attention by tgd · · Score: 2

      they are now reporting that there is no record of a US citizen with that name

      At the risk of feeding a troll, being wooshed, or having the black helicopters come find me, I have some middle school yearbooks which say otherwise.

      *woosh*

      If the media really is reporting that Edward Snowden is a made up person, please, provide a citation.

    11. Re:Pay no attention by tgd · · Score: 2

      they are now reporting that there is no record of a US citizen with that name

      At the risk of feeding a troll, being wooshed, or having the black helicopters come find me, I have some middle school yearbooks which say otherwise.

      *woosh*

      If the media really is reporting that Edward Snowden is a made up person, please, provide a citation.

      I blame some sort of PRISM intercept for that *woosh* ending up in the wrong place.

    12. Re:Pay no attention by frootcakeuk · · Score: 1

      "muslamic"

      lol

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    13. Re:Pay no attention by frootcakeuk · · Score: 1
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    14. Re:Pay no attention by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well I for one am convinced. Thank god these files were classified, or else terrorists would know all about how to break WW2 codes. What if Snowden had leaked this? People could have died. People would have died.

      What other things besides obsolete WW2 cryptanalysis could the NSA be keeping from terrorists? That's why it's so important for us to trust them.

    15. Re:Pay no attention by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      OMG, whatachump! Posting anonymously won't save you, dude! You're history now, too! Or - more accurately, you're NOT history anymore. You'll be disappeared soon. And, sadly for you, no one will even know who the hell you were. Sad, sad, sad. Your own parents will soon forget you, as the NSA agents brainwash them.

      If you're going to save yourself, you had better head to Cuba now!

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    16. Re:Pay no attention by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      War is Peace
      Freedom is Slavery
      Ignorance is Strength

      (I tried to do all caps like in the book but /. wouldn't let me)

      One difference, I think between the book and today: As far as I can tell, the constant monitoring (telescreens) were something only used on Party members. I don't think that proles were completely bereft of them, but theirs were public screens designed to display the progress of the war, ration updates, and so forth. Not installed in prole residences.

      Proles were victims, just as much as Party members, but they weren't prone to being singled out. Mostly they just happened to be in the wrong places when bombs landed.

      NSAUSA, on the other hand, watches everybody.

    17. Re:Pay no attention by antdude · · Score: 1

      Which book is that?

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    18. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jihad

    19. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's a psalm from The Bible

    20. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh the irony! (Yes, actual irony.)

    21. Re:Pay no attention by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      1984

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    22. Re:Pay no attention by antdude · · Score: 1

      Weird. I don't remember it (including its movie), but then it was so long ago.

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    23. Re:Pay no attention by mikael · · Score: 1

      "1984" the novel. Or you can watch the movie. The Eurythmics did an album for the movie. Always enjoyed listening to "Double Plus Good" while studying.

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    24. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignorance is Strength

      IIS? Makes sense...

    25. Re:Pay no attention by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      All part of damage control -

      I was thinking all of sudden there's lots of discussion regarding missile attack on TWA 800 (I thought that whole event was pretty much settled by now). Maybe part of filling up media time to reduce time talking about recent NSA abuses.

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    26. Re:Pay no attention by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      If that's their goal, it seems like an odd way to go about it. "Hey, look at our rich history of codebreaking!" does a poor job of distracting me from PRISM, since one of my concerns is that the NSA may be able to break the encryption used in various cloud services. Releasing such a document only serves to reinforce the idea that the NSA has been breaking codes for a long, long time before PRISM ever existed, and that is an uncomfortable thought, given the recent debacle.

      If, on the other hand, the headline said something along the lines of "NSA declassifies secret SPCA donation efforts," then it would feel a whole lot more like a distraction.

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    27. Re:Pay no attention by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Van Halen made the best 1984 album.

    28. Re:Pay no attention by BrookSmith · · Score: 1

      This is standard political tactic, to release some alternate news story to divert everyones attention away from the real story - *the real story is still NSA spying* on whom every they please. And arresting (and probably not charging with any actual crimes) anybody who speaks out about it.

    29. Re:Pay no attention by im3w1l · · Score: 1

      they are now reporting that there is no record of a US citizen with that name

      At the risk of feeding a troll, being wooshed, or having the black helicopters come find me, I have some middle school yearbooks which say otherwise.

      *woosh*

      If the media really is reporting that Edward Snowden is a made up person, please, provide a citation.

      I blame some sort of PRISM intercept for that *woosh* ending up in the wrong place.

      Ah, the good ol' woosh-in-the-middle attack!

    30. Re:Pay no attention by msauve · · Score: 1

      The Fahrenheit 451 effect, no doubt.

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    31. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorists try and get your attention with what they are doing.

      The NSA is pretty much the opposite of that. They don't want you to know what is coming until it is too late.

    32. Re:Pay no attention by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      So how do the US government or NSA have any effect on your personal liberties? Will they be stopping you from voting, or what?

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    33. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we have always been at war with EastAsia

    34. Re:Pay no attention by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Pay attention to the man. Ignore the contents of his message.

    35. Re:Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proles all had viewscreens too, that way they could keep tabs on the state of the world from the (comfort?) of their own home.

      That's why Winston rented the pre-war household, partly because it didn't have a viewscreen, so he could spend time admiring his prohibited art and prohibited girlfriend.

    36. Re:Pay no attention by show+me+altoids · · Score: 2

      You mean it wasn't just a viral advertisement for next year's "average guy hunted down by the government for knowing too much" blockbuster movie?

      "Enemy of the State 2: Electric Boogaloo"

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    37. Re: Pay no attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are now reporting that there is no record of a US citizen with that name.

      Let me rephrase that for you.
      They are now reporting that there is no longer any record of a US citizen with that name.

  2. First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I crazy for opening a PDF from the NSA?

    1. Re:First pwned! by egcagrac0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not if you did it in a VM running a LiveCD...

    2. Re:First pwned! by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      48MB for 344 pages?

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    3. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you have a phobia against whitewashing.

    4. Re:First pwned! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not particularly implausible if it has pictures(especially highish-quality and/or appallingly malcompressed ones). The actual exploit code is probably a pretty small percentage of the total.

    5. Re:First pwned! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Scanned and OCR'ed, but it's all images.

    6. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All your base are belong to us.

      ahahahahahahahahaa.... NSA bot..

    7. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      backdoors are heavy.

    8. Re:First pwned! by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you're worried about a NSA attack, a VM isn't going to save you. There have been several known exploits to break out of VM's. That will get them access to any harddrive if there's one connected at all. And if there isn't, there have been occasional exploits to flash a rootkit into BIOS. They could also activate Wifi or Bluetooth to infect any nearby computers or smartphones or any other smart devices, which could even bounce the infection back to the current computer after it's rebooted without the LiveCD and/or without the VM and/or with the harddrive reconnected.

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    9. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you did it in a VM running a LiveCD...

      VM running a Distro.......nope....still not safe....LOL !

    10. Re:First pwned! by steelfood · · Score: 1

      If they're going to bring the battering ram to your door, you might as well open it and let them in. It'll save you the door at least.

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    11. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't we all have old hardware? install some os on bare metal old pc, without flashable bios, just basic graphics card, cd-rom drive (for os and moving files to pc), harddrive (for os, though you could go without. booting from a pure cd-based os from a secondary cd-rom drive). now safely read the file. (wipe os if you want, if really paranoid trash hardware). Oh yeah, and use something basic to get the file, dont click "Download and open" mmkay.

    12. Re:First pwned! by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      Not if you did it in a VM running a LiveCD...

      As if there have never been expliots allowing the guest to compromise its host. Even booting a live CD on metal you run risk of rouge software overwriting firmware of the system or any number of subsystems. Spinning platters are not much different than spinning centrifuges when you think about it.

    13. Re:First pwned! by BumboChinelo · · Score: 1

      How about VMS & Ghostscript?? There seems to be also a Z/OS This makes me wonder which would be the best way to view such document. Probably on a box with not connection and then send the box to the dumpster never using it again //HB

    14. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AC sending an FYI for you to google...

      There have been successful remote exploits against firmware drivers for over a decade (think your NIC, my old dell wireless card, and all types of video drivers... anything with DMA access and a bit of a microprocessor)

      And for about two years there's been public proof of concepts actually infecting the firmware itself with a rootkit that preloads and installs itself into the O/S. I believe two were presented at blackhat recently.

      For about five year's, there's been virtualization detection available to rootkits. It's literally called red pill and blue pill.

      I commend you on your best practices, but think very carefully if you ever want a machine you open such a PDF on to be connected to any network. You really might be better off dumping the link to wget, burning a CD, and physically carrying it over to an "assumed compromised" host.

    15. Re:First pwned! by egcagrac0 · · Score: 1

      I commend you on your best practices, but think very carefully if you ever want a machine you open such a PDF on to be connected to any network. You really might be better off dumping the link to wget, burning a CD, and physically carrying it over to an "assumed compromised" host.

      Yes. When in doubt, airgap.

    16. Re:First pwned! by im3w1l · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new NSA rootkits.

    17. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not going to be able to do that on my Psion 3a. :)

    18. Re:First pwned! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignoring virtual machine and LiveCD exploits for a minute:
      I have seen reports bluetooth and wifi exploits, but it's a very uncommon vector to infect my computers, especially where my wifi password is concerned. You can't just infect a windows share without knowing the login password these days, can you?

      Occam's razor says that the they'll go for the widest available exploits first, which don't assume VMs and live CDs. Packing edge cases as if your life depended on it with call attention to them somehow, like with Virus activity and firewall reports.

  3. More Secret History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about Bush's blackmail scheme where he used the NSA to try to obtain material to blackmail UN ambassadors into voting for invading Iraq. Most of the media treated that like it was secret...

    1. Re:More Secret History by mi · · Score: 0

      UN ambassadors are not US-citizens. Since the Roman Republic, the Executive has full legal power over foreigners.

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    2. Re:More Secret History by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Since the Roman Republic? Get out of here - even Ronald Reagan wasn't that old!

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    3. Re:More Secret History by Macchendra · · Score: 2

      All of the so-called "liberal" media was lockstep in keeping this illegal abuse secret.

  4. Which means mathematically speaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We will know all the truth of Facebook and Google deals around 2070 declassified

    1. Re:Which means mathematically speaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the Future. "You know the guy we caught at the Russian airport in 2013? He was water-boarded until we no longer found it funny...but yeah he was right about all"

  5. Wasn't this already known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought we already knew about this.

  6. PDFS by stewsters · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey you guys who are talking about Snowden, download this PDF with some cool additional code! Don't worry about it. I promise we didn't buy exploits from Adobe or Microsoft!

    1. Re:PDFS by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey you guys who are talking about Snowden, download this PDF with some cool additional code! Don't worry about it. I promise we didn't buy exploits from Adobe or Microsoft!

      Why buy what you can get for free?

    2. Re:PDFS by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 1
      To be fair to them, they do warn you (or is it ask for your permission): "A Collect ion of Writings on Traffic Analysis . (pdf)"

      They are cryptanalysts after all - always writing and thinking in codes...

    3. Re:PDFS by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not too worried about exploits from Adobe or Microsoft affecting evince...

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    4. Re:PDFS by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hey you guys who are talking about Snowden, download this PDF with some cool additional code! Don't worry about it. I promise we didn't buy exploits from Adobe or Microsoft!

      Why buy what you can get for free?

      If you don't use up the budget you don't get more next year. Especially if your working at an agency that can't be measured for efficiency in any way.

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    5. Re:PDFS by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Possibly true; but if you have a wishlist that is longer than your budget(and who doesn't?) why buy items you could get for free and deny yourself the means to buy items that you need to buy?

    6. Re:PDFS by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Because it creates goodwill, and an excuse not to be subversive. People like excuses to maintain the status quo. Paying for a service rendered, even if pennies on the dollar, qualifies.

      It's an old mobster trick.

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    7. Re:PDFS by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      You never have enough sharks with lasers - NEVER! Or enough nukes in orbit. You just can't have enough!

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    8. Re:PDFS by khallow · · Score: 1

      If you don't use up the budget you don't get more next year. Especially if your working at an agency that can't be measured for efficiency in any way.

      Well, any other way.

  7. Of course it wasn't magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    As we all know it was Lawrence Pritchard Waterhouse, using a steam powered analog computer to break (and make) secret communications. Case closed, this is clearly more lies by the NSA.

  8. wrong topic by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear NSA, I think you're confused. The current topic of discussion is your ongoing violation of the 4th Amendment of the U.S. constitution.

    Compared to that, I truly doing give a fuck about your history of codebreaking.

    1. Re:wrong topic by intermodal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do care about the history of codebreaking, but it doesn't mean i'm going to trust the NSA to tell me the truth about it. Which is why I'm focusing more on their fourth amendment violations instead. And, of course, the potential repercussions the same violations are liable to have on our rights to free association, since apparently we can now be surveiled on the grounds of where a friend of a friend of a friend ordered pizza from that may have had a foreign national working there.

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    2. Re:wrong topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first time the NSA tried their hand at cryptography, they got eleven hole-in-ones.

    3. Re:wrong topic by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      And that's why this is the kind of place that can plant the seeds of revolution. This post alone is guaranteed to put me into an NSA database of known subversives. So be it. Now the question is, what can we crowd-source? How about starting with some local elections, and working our way up?

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    4. Re:wrong topic by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Dear NSA, I think you're confused. The current topic of discussion is your ongoing violation of the 4th Amendment of the U.S. constitution.

      I think the confusion here is entirely yours. There was another topic adjacent to this one where the subject you want to discuss would not have been out of place. Why aren't you posting there?

      Wikileaks Aiding Snowden - Chinese Social Media Divided - Relations Strained

      There is no "violation of the 4th Amendment" if the activities of the NSA are consistent with the Article II powers of the Constitution, and otherwise consistent with the law. So far they appear to be. I see many bold claims about violations of the Constitution, but little understanding, and less evidence.

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    5. Re:wrong topic by cundare · · Score: 1
      Actually, no. I can think of no way that the PRISM program violates the Fourth Amendment, although I do understand the allure of being able to make conclusory statements to the opposite.

      The information tracked by the PRISM program -- essentially carrier pen registers -- does not fall within the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement because, as the Supreme Court held over 30 years ago, there's no expectation of privacy in pen registers. I personally was a bit horrified by the decision and am dismayed that it's still considered to be settled law. But I'm just as disappointed by the know-nothing peanut gallery of commenters who are "horrified" by the NSA program, but couldn't be bothered to perform even a modicum of research until their noses were wiped in the Bill of Rights. So you guys can whine all you want. This ship sailed long ago, and you guys are little more than enablers who don't even know what you don't know.

      FWIW, see Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979) for the S.Ct.'s holding that accessing the contents of a pen register is not a "search" within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment.

      Sorry if I come across as testy about all this, but I raised these issues for years in the 1980s & 1990s and was roundly ignored. Nobody cared. Now, when it's too late to do anything about it, everybody's screaming "fire!" If you really care about your privacy, cancel your Facebook & Twitter accounts & stop posting anything that you wouldn't want somebody else's lawyer to read. Otherwise, please just STFU and spend more time reading than talking.

    6. Re:wrong topic by eyendall · · Score: 1

      I don't know why the NSA is so upset about Snowden's revelations. After all, if the NSA is not doing anything wrong then it has nothing to worry about.

  9. Oh, isn't this convenient... by Seumas · · Score: 5, Funny

    Squirrel!

    1. Re:Oh, isn't this convenient... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Squirrel!

      and partner Moose? constantly being threatened by Boris and Natasha?

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    2. Re:Oh, isn't this convenient... by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      I believe it's in reference to this. A running gag in "Up!"

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  10. The Puzzle Palace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's a relatively old book about the NSA and SIGINT written by a journalist who studied publicly available materials using Tom Clancy's MO, that you can buy at Barnes and Noble or Amazon.com. I remember reading it and thinking it was more like "what it's like to work at the NSA" than an expose, though. Still, IIRC the author and publisher had to square off with the NSA to get it in print.

    1. Re:The Puzzle Palace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you thinking of James Bamford?

  11. 'This site has been suspended' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Secret service intervention or just slashdotted?

    1. Re:'This site has been suspended' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so at least it's not a problem on my side... ...one should think they can handle that traffic ;)

    2. Re:'This site has been suspended' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talked to the operators, slashdotted. POW WEB is not up for the challenge of serving this crowd.

    3. Re:'This site has been suspended' by JoeMirando · · Score: 1

      Have you done a whois on governmentattic.org? Interesting. Not a word about it. Like it has never existed. Interesting mix of alphabet soup... NSA, NIA, CIA, FBI, FISA, PRISM, POTUS, and who knows what-all else. Curse you, Al Gore, for inventing this thing in the first place. ;-)

  12. Pre History? by rossdee · · Score: 0

    What do you mean Pre-History?

    According to Wikipedia: Prehistory means "before we had written records,"

    So while the written records of these code breaking computers may just recently have been declassified, its not like they didn't exist, and of course there were 'computers' before that (Hollerith punched cards, and of course Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace)

    1. Re:Pre History? by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 2

      Pre-History means "before recorded history". The term gets the point accross in this instance without being confusing. Although there is of course recorded history of computing before 1930. IBM was founded in 1911 after all as "Computing Tabulating Recording Company". So it is basically wrong.

    2. Re:Pre History? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they likely mean pre-WW2 but chose their words poorly. Seems like a lot of tech has a pre-WW2 "oh, that's so cute" history and a post-WW2 "oh, this is serious" history.

    3. Re:Pre History? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Pre-History means "before recorded history". [snip] So it is basically wrong.

      I take your point. However, I would note the qualifier: "secret pre-history."

      From the time of the "father of history" Herodotus himself, it's pretty clear that history is about people being able to tell a story about past events.

      If facts about some devices were kept secret and thus were not available for historians to write about, there's a strong argument that such information is "pre-historical," in the sense that stuff may have been going on before the known written ("historical") record. Of course, once it is released and incorporated into known histories, it becomes "historical" and will no longer be "pre-history."

      As I read this headline, it isn't "NSA Releases Secret Pre-History of [ALL] Computers." (How far do we go back? Charles Babbage? What counts as a "computer"?)

      Rather, the "secret" in the headline implies that the NSA is probably talking about itself. Hence: "NSA Releases Secret Pre-History of [the NSA's and Preceding Intelligence Agencies'] Computers."

    4. Re:Pre History? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I would note the qualifier: "secret pre-history."

      It's a formerly secret history, not a secret pre-history. The former is what you get when you hide the records. The latter is what you get when there are no records, and nobody talks about it (or everyone is silenced, or dies of natural causes, etc.)

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    5. Re:Pre History? by JustOK · · Score: 1, Funny

      Who did Herodotus have to fuck to be the father of history?

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      rewriting history since 2109
    6. Re:Pre History? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point here is that it PREcede the HISTORY of computers, as we're talking of machines that were not quite computers.
      Just like prehistory precede the history (what is written) of man

    7. Re:Pre History? by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Who did Herodotus have to fuck to be the father of history?

      Ananke, apparently.

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      https://app.box.com/WitthoftResume Code: https://github.com/cellocgw
    8. Re:Pre History? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's literary license, aka the foundation of most of the news media's headlines. If you can't understand that concept, you should really try reading more often.

  13. It is a good read... by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For something in the time periods mentioned, it is a good read, especially with the issues at the time.

    I would say that crypto advances and computers go hand in hand, from the mechanical rotor devices to more advanced algorithms like DES, then to ones that have a larger bitsize and block size (AES.)

    What will be the next big crypto advance is a next generation public key algorithm. RSA has been good, but it, DSA, and ECC can fall if a quantum computer of a decent size can be built. What is needed is a next generation public key algorithm, but those are a lot harder to come by than symmetric algos. What would be nice is an algorithm with a small key size like ECC (which since in theory a 256 bit ECC key is as secure as a 128 bit AES key), compared to 16384 bit keys for RSA.

    Of course, the applied crypto part is important as well.

    1. Re:It is a good read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What will be the next big crypto advance is a next generation public key algorithm. RSA has been good, but it, DSA, and ECC can fall if a quantum computer of a decent size can be built.

      Quantum computers are like code breaking dragons. Nobody knows for sure they can't exist and nobody has any evidence that they do.

    2. Re:It is a good read... by slew · · Score: 1

      I would say that crypto advances and computers go hand in hand...

      I would actually say instead that crypto advances go in fits and spirts of understanding instead of tracking the advances of computer technology.

      Today, we are apparently not much beyond iterated substitution/permutation block ciphers that have some hardening against linear and differential analysis (things known about by the NSA and applied to the DES algorithm back in the '70s). Nearly all ciphers (and ciphers used in hash algorithms) have been developed along these lines of thinking. When this switches between being an asset and a liablity is anyone's guess, but when it does, there will likely be a fit and spirt of change that goes along with it.

      What will be the next big crypto advance is a next generation public key algorithm.

      Sadly, that is one area that might be a big crypto advance, but is totally limited by our knowledge** which is again something that has very little to do with the advances in traditional computer technology.

      **different computational hard algorithms (e.g., lattice, knapsack, linear error correcting codes, etc) to replace current problems (e.g, factoring and discrete logs, etc), new "trap-door" algorithms that take advantage of those problems with known security parameters and how to develop useful computational asymmetry within those security parameters.

    3. Re:It is a good read... by mikael · · Score: 1

      D-Wave claimed to have a 512 quantum bit system: http://m.npr.org/news/Technology/185532608?start=5

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    4. Re:It is a good read... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      It's not, actually. There are already asymmetric crypto algorithms which are believed to be quantum-resistant. They are typically based on the hardness of vector problems in n-dimensional integer lattices, or problems that have been proven reducible to such problems such as learning with errors.

    5. Re:It is a good read... by gomiam · · Score: 1
      AFAIK, quantum computing algorithms are only able to square root the complexity. IOW, since the best factorisation algorithms are exponential, you only need to double the key length to stay safe agains quantum computers.

      I repeat: as far as I know. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    6. Re:It is a good read... by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Shor's algorithm allows factorisation in polynomial time---there are fundamentally-quantum algorithms that can give a greater speedup.

    7. Re:It is a good read... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, dude, but factorization algorithms are all sub-exponential - they are in O(2^(n/k)), which is NP. The square root of O(2^(n/k)) is simply O(2^(n/(2k))), which is still NP. But Shor's algorithm is in P - in other words, it is in O(n^i).

    8. Re:It is a good read... by slew · · Score: 1

      It's not, actually. There are already asymmetric crypto algorithms which are believed to be quantum-resistant. They are typically based on the hardness of vector problems in n-dimensional integer lattices, or problems that have been proven reducible to such problems such as learning with errors.

      Interesting read, but it doesn't address the questions at hand:
      Are cryptography advances and computer advances hand-in-hand? I believe the answer to that question is still no.
      Are big crypto advances in a next generation public key algorithm limited by our knowledge? I believe the answer to that question is still yes.

      For example, the McEliece-like crypto system (which seems suspiciously analogus to your LWE paper) did not appear to have any major advances for many years (probably because sending around huge matrices is a real bummer and attempts to reduces this reduced the security parameters). We also have no direct knowledge about its quantum resistance other than some assumptions. Who knows, but its security profile may be very entwined with algorithms for error-correction of quantum states for quantum computers (which is an interesting topic apparently still in it's infancy). Unlike the study of factoring and discrete logarithms which have undergone lots of study and has a huge knowledge base, we have likely only scratched the surface on other computationally hard algorithms to use as a basis for a public key system. Maybe they aren't really hard at all. At this point, we don't really know. For example, the McElice system's security parameters needed to be updated after some advances in classical information theory knowledge like this...

      In contrast, if we knew about this wonderful system but computers to do it aren't big/powerful enough yet to implement it practically, that would be one thing. I think we actually lack the knowledge base to meaningfully change our public key infrastructure today (which should keep all those researcher employed for a good while longer).

    9. Re:It is a good read... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      That's a fair and very insightful point. And I see now by re-reading your original post it was actually the point you were making all along, I just didn't see it.

    10. Re:It is a good read... by Hentes · · Score: 1

      Originally, people thinking about quantum computing were only thinking about entanglement computers because nobody assumed that another type could exist. Then DWave built a quantum computer based on tunneling, which is clever but a completely different thing. 'Quantum computer' in most contexts refers to an entanglement computer, you can't run Shor's_algorithm on a DWave.

    11. Re:It is a good read... by gomiam · · Score: 1

      Thanks to both for your answers. It seems I misread this article about the limits of quantum computing.

  14. acknowledgements.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From the traffic analysis document page 3: Thanks are due .... for her encouragement and support in the making
    of this collection. Without the access to her files she so generously offered, it could not
    have been produced.

    LOL. All sorts of scenarios crossed my mind reading this.

  15. is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or are the links dead? both!

    1. Re:is it just me by PPH · · Score: 1

      The links aren't dead. The NSA is logging every request.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
  16. Broken Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pls repost. Uploaded.to would be nice...

    1. Re:Broken Link by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Funny

      Got it for you. It is called stuxnet-prehistory.pdf.exe

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    2. Re:Broken Link by PPH · · Score: 2

      Damn you! That won't run on Linux!

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    3. Re:Broken Link by fazey · · Score: 1

      you need wine!

  17. Site suspended by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    Government Attic is offline. Any chance of a mirror?

    1. Re:Site suspended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'd like too

    2. Re:Site suspended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like three

  18. The site got suspended... by Kergan · · Score: 1

    The only link on the NSA's site that mentions it was this one:

    http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/crypto_almanac_50th/NSA_Before_Super_Computers.pdf

    But it's not the actual pdf... And no trace of the pdf on torrent sites. Can anyone seed it and post a link?

    1. Re:The site got suspended... by sbrown7792 · · Score: 1

      Google webcache has this

    2. Re:The site got suspended... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shame the OCR makes it pretty much inintelligible... "TOP SECRET" becomes "TOP !l!(Rl!!T", "I OP 51!Cltl!T" and "l0P SECRET" amongst others...

    3. Re:The site got suspended... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NSA must have used a super secure font.

  19. NSA by mu51c10rd · · Score: 2

    No Safeguards Assured.

  20. FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Site has been suspended... lol

  21. Hmm by poity · · Score: 1

    Seems like it was released in 2002, picked up by a crypto blog today, and now we're claiming it was just released by the NSA.

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    your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
    1. Re:Hmm by chill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ummm...nope.

      Requested date: 04-August-2012
      Released date: 29-May-2013
      Posted date: 24-June-2013

      Requested date: 02-August-2012
      Released date: 11-June-2013
      Posted date: 24-June-2013

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      Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
  22. blackholed by ei4anb · · Score: 1

    Well, that didn't take long.
    Name: www.governmentattic.org
    Address: 127.0.0.1

    1. Re:blackholed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow :\ So who controls that secret list?

  23. Brilliant move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An agency that can't even host a single file certainly can't do all those horrible internet things my grandson tries to explain to me. For a second I was almost worried no go and kill that fucking traitor before he get's on my lawn!

    Well played, NSA.

  24. Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The prevailing geek narrative is that only space provides the impetus to develop technology. NASA invented computers. Everyone else in other spheres of human knowledge were idiots.

    1. Re:Impossible by dwye · · Score: 1

      Wrong-o, AC!!

      The need for high-quality Porn is at least as important a driver. This is admitted by all true geeks.

  25. still using pre-computers over there by swschrad · · Score: 1

    slashdotted. either that, or the flash drive with the files is on a plane to the jungle

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    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
  26. "This site has been suspended" by vbraga · · Score: 2

    I just get "This site has been suspended" from the hosting provider. Anyone has alternative links to the pdfs?

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    English is not my first language. Corrections and suggestions are welcome.
    1. Re:"This site has been suspended" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this... I'm very interested now that the link has disappeared.

    2. Re:"This site has been suspended" by maestroX · · Score: 1

      Anyone has alternative links to the pdfs?

      Sigh. Just google the pdf name WastlAlM 2002.pdf and you'll find authentic pictures and controversial scriptures at http://tmk.rauris.net/outdex.php?site=11 at first hit.

    3. Re:"This site has been suspended" by JoeWalsh · · Score: 1

      Anyone has alternative links to the pdfs?

      No need. All the targeted people have download it by now.

    4. Re:"This site has been suspended" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are pictures there, I agree. Doesn't look like cryptoanalysis though.

    5. Re:"This site has been suspended" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither that name, nor that site have anything to offer.

    6. Re:"This site has been suspended" by vtTom · · Score: 3, Informative
    7. Re:"This site has been suspended" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cryptome has it: http://cryptome.org/2013/06/NSA-WasntAllMagic_2002.pdf

      Captcha: directly (How appropriate!)

    8. Re:"This site has been suspended" by timkofu196 · · Score: 1

      They are still in the Google cache.

  27. a collection of writings on traffic analysis... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a collection of writings on traffic analysis............

    Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.

    Prove yourself: gazette

  28. For once, don't bother RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead visit http://preview.tinyurl.com/p4o5n78

  29. Indeed. Don't bother with RTFA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Respect the glorious slashdot tradition for once, with pride. :-)

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/p4o5n78

  30. Re:wrong topic - but speculative by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    Speculation:
    The secret pre-history of the NSA may apply to the current Snowden issues. Reading Bamford (Puzzle Palace et al) it's obvious that the USA has been able to "coax" carriers and software developers into providing back-doors into their trunk lines and software. I've always wondered if it's because the NSA has prior art in much of computing discoveries of the pas 75 years, and uses it to gain access to whereever it wants to go? I mean, it does go whereever it wants to, and this may be why.
    I'm just sayin'.

  31. Irrelevant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People please don't get distracted from the real issue.

  32. How to find the PDFs (derp edition) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed Google is your friend. Type into Google:

    type:pdf "it wasn't all magic"

    then view Google cached copy

    profit.

    *knock knock knock*

  33. Virtual machine for the lazy man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that Google Books allows uploading of PDF files, I don't have to worry about any back-doors in the PDF. Just let Google process the thing and spit out a web-service based document.

  34. NSA has total access via Microsoft Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/

  35. Sauce of Bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Sauce?

    I CALL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  36. An Indicator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This action by the NSA doesn't distract from Snowden but verifies that they are worried about him/the situation.

  37. Government Attic and Computer History documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So here's what happened:

    the Government Attic site published a few interesting documents on FBI Ultrasonic Device Phone-based wiretapping and on the use of early computers as code-breaking devices. The site was slashdot-ed and the web hosting company suspended the site for excessive web traffic. The problem was exacerbated because the documents were each pretty large. Incidentally, the copies posted were nicely prepared and OCR'd. If anyone grabbed copies, perhaps they can put them up somewhere.

    Incidentally, the NSA documents were requested from the NSA a couple of years ago. It always takes a few years to get anything substantive from NSA, FBI and other agencies. Any timing is coincidental.

    I'm confident Government Attic will re-appear sometime in the next month or two with new more robust site hosting, and all its documents will be there. Government Attic follows proper protocols and publishes documents released through channels following a polite request, and publishes the release letters along with the documents, which serves as a form of provenance.

  38. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://cryptome.org/2013/06/NSA-WasntAllMagic_2002.pdf

  39. BAD LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well...another SlashDotted website.

  40. Mirror link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This one seems legit: http://cryptome.org/2013/06/NSA-WasntAllMagic_2002.pdf

  41. Safe On-Line PDF Viewer: view.samurajdata.se by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://view.samurajdata.se/

    There's no SSL and it would be better as a Tor Hidden Service, but it's ad-free and works on most on-line (or off-line manual upload) PDF files. Nothing is "safe", but this is "safer" and doesn't require javascript, flash, or other stupid ****.

  42. replace your I's with l's by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

    WAR lS PEACE
    FREEDOM lS SLAVERY
    lGNORANCE lS STRENGTH

  43. Pre-history of computers is in the Old Testament! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > an eye-opening pre-history of computers

    That's not too long a reading:

    circa 1800BC: someone said "I am who I am."
    circa 1943AD: a jewish guy going by the name of John von Neumann invented stored program computing

    Not much of significance happened in-between those dates, excepting Conrad Zuse and Alan Turing.

  44. Cut that out please... by dak664 · · Score: 1

    My page loads have slowed to a crawl!

  45. Better link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non taken down link

    http://cryptome.org/2013/06/NSA-WasntAllMagic_2002.pdf

  46. Working link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although there may be some other mirrors available, this is setup at: http://www.theblackvault.com/m/articles/view/Wasn-t-All-Magic-The-Early-Struggle-to-Automate-Cryptanalysis if you need a good, reliable, download.

  47. Much ado about nothing... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

    So what if the NSA records everything? Intelligence is only as useful as political leaders want to make it. If political leaders want "actionable intelligence" then the reader should already know that if those political leaders are either crooked or of a totalitarian mindset - or both - and they want to "get" you, they will - even if they have to gin up that "actionable intelligence".

    If reading of Stalin's and Mao's purges didn't teach you that, then the still-unsatisfied quest for WMDs and al Qaida training camps in Iraq should have.

    What Americans should be worrying about is the threat to themselves that will result from the empowering of a wealthy few - the kind who believe that America isn't a "democracy", it is a "republic" and the only people who should be "represented" by its government are the wealthy (or "job creators", as they like to misname themselves now) - if the American people again put their stooges into elected office. The kind of people who want to destroy government's role as the protector of "the people" - the kind of people, that is, who insist that they are entitled to increase their rate of wealth accumulation even if that requires deregulation/the elimination of laws that now protect "the people"...

    That's the kind of people who gin up intelligence...who set records for the dozens of times they say a variation of "I do not recall...". That's the kind of people who alter "the evidence"...be it ASCII or videotape.

    --
    Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"