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HBO Asks Google To Take Down "Infringing" VLC Media Player

another random user writes with an excerpt from TorrentFreak: "It's no secret that copyright holders are trying to take down as much pirated content as they can, but their targeting of open source software is something new. In an attempt to remove pirated copies of Game of Thrones from the Internet, HBO sent a DMCA takedown to Google, listing a copy of the popular media player VLC as a copyright infringement. An honest mistake, perhaps, but a worrying one. ... Usually these notices ask Google to get rid of links to pirate sites, but for some reason the cable network also wants Google to remove a link to the highly popular open source video player VLC. ... The same DMCA notice also lists various other links that don't appear to link to HBO content, including a lot of porn related material, Ben Harper's album Give Till It's Gone, Naruto, free Java applets and Prince of Persia 5."

364 comments

  1. looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Looks like they just copied the VLC link by accident. There was only one link there(besides its probably a virus and not a real VLC copy anyways). Yawn.

    1. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Looks like they just copied the VLC link by accident. There was only one link there(besides its probably a virus and not a real VLC copy anyways). Yawn.

      When it comes to these large media companies you should never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice.

    2. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Looks like they just copied the VLC link by accident. There was only one link there(besides its probably a virus and not a real VLC copy anyways). Yawn.

      When it comes to these large media companies you should never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice.

      And don't attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by "better return to stockholders".

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    3. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is still an example of malice.

    4. Re:looks like copy paste fail by chemosh6969 · · Score: 2

      Except this can't be explained as "better return to stockholders" because it's stupid for one. Stockholders aren't wasting their times in meetings with "and then here are all the links we went after".

    5. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Alranor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pay attention to the bottom of the takedown request:

      The information in all notifications submitted through the Program will be accurate, and I swear, under penalty of perjury, that with respect to those notifications, I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

      Fuck that "it was an accident" argument, and prosecute them for perjury.

    6. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Artraze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

      See the claim:

      Copyright claim #4:
          Game of Thrones (Original TV Show)
      Original work URL(s):
          http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/index.html

      Allegedly infringing URLs:
          0. https://tpb.ipredator.se/torrent/8493409/Game_of_Thrones_S03E08_480p_HDTV_x264_-VYTO%5BP2PDL%5D
      snip
          407. http://www.torrentportal.com/details/6093721/VLC-Media-Player-2.0.7-Final-(32-64-bit)-Official.html

      They are alleging that VLC is violating their copyright on Game of Thrones. They own the copyright on Game of Thrones so they are in the clear. The fact that their allegation is completely off base doesn't matter.

      This is actually a necessary and very unfortunate consequence of our copyright law... Because there aren't clear boundaries for what constitutes fair use and an original work, there is no ability to assert with any certainty that a given work is not derivative. Suppose that maybe that an error message in VLC contains a couple words from the show: it's legitimate (albeit in bad faith) to claim that VLC is now violating your copyright. So unfortunately without a revision to copyright law the only way to hold these people accountable for their 'mistakes' would require them to sue and have the court declare the work non-infringing. Maybe that would be better than the current, but it would undermine the whole point of takedown requests in the first place.

    7. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No it is not. Malice is done for the evil it does. "Better return for stockholders" is done for the benefit of certain people. This can at times cause bad shit to happen to others, but this is a side effect.

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    8. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by "better return to stockholders".

      The only reason to make a distinction is if you intend to punish anyone with imprisonment.

      When an entity acts in a way that is undesirable by society it has to be corrected. The method to use generally goes as following:

      Incompetence - Inform and educate the subject.
      Greed - Fine the subject until it is more economical for it to behave properly.
      Malice - Fine the subject until it thinks better of it or use imprisonment if fines aren't adequate.

      For companies there is not really any need to make the distinction. Fine it until the behavior no longer occurs. Either the company learns or it goes bankrupt. Either result works.

    9. Re:looks like copy paste fail by synapse7 · · Score: 1

      Better get all the codec download links while you're at it.

    10. Re: looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they might not put up with the cost of more accurate methods/staff/processes either.

    11. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like they just copied a bunch of links without giving a crap about what was in them.

      FTFY.

    12. Re:looks like copy paste fail by ttucker · · Score: 1

      I get the feeling that whoever is actually responsible for sending out the notices has a fair level of malice in their heart, it is the board who hires them that is more interested in returns.

    13. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They don't have to be you imbecile.

      They're claiming that VLC infringes on their copyright to Game of Thrones.

    14. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well thank God they're NOT CLAIMING to own that copyright then! They're claiming a file called "VLC MEDIA PLAYER.exe" is infringing on their coypright to Game of Thrones. That's it.

    15. Re:looks like copy paste fail by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      I think what Artraze meant is that they *may* be citing VLC because somewhere in its code, it contains infringing material. Maybe an error message of "Hodor hodor hodor*". Still poor form and possibly even fair-use exempt, but that's not stopped these nutters before.

      * I don't have HBO nor do I watch any of their paywalled content. If Hodor isn't part of that canon, please don't send me an invite to Red Wedding II.

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    16. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, mcgrew here, you got my razor wrong. Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest.

    17. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. Malice is directed at another. Greed is directed at yourself.

    18. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1

      Okay, it might not be malice, but I'm sure we can all agree it's evil, i.e. harming others (e.g. takedown notices) to benefit oneself (e.g. stockholders).

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    19. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Speaking of returns shouldn't this clearly be a fine for HBO? I mean they are technically claiming ownership of VLC. If this were patents OMFG!

    20. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Artraze is saying that the penalty of perjury is separate from the validity of the infringement allegation. It applies if they claim to be the owner of Game of Thrones (in this example) and are not indeed the owner of Game of Thrones. I am not allowed to send takedown notices for Game of Thrones (even in legitimate copyright violation cases), because I do not own Game of Thrones and I am not authorized by the owner to act on their behalf. If I did, then I could be subject to the penalty of perjury.

      That VLC does not infringe on Game of Thrones' copyright is not covered by the perjury penalty. I haven't read the DMCA, there may be some other penalty for issuing takedown notices which turn out to be not infringing, but it may be (sounds likely) there is no penalty.

    21. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Okay, it might not be malice, but I'm sure we can all agree it's evil, i.e. harming others (e.g. takedown notices) to benefit oneself (e.g. stockholders).

      Never made a judgment call on if it was good or not. Just that it was not Malice.

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    22. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe not. A torrent of VLC is immediately suspicious to me as either a bit of crude obfuscation or a potential malware. If I was pirating an HBO property, I might name it and bundle it as a ZIP of a popular software as well.

    23. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe someone should accidentally disconnect their cable service for a day or two...

    24. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      AT&T increasing wireless bills over the contracted amount by adding bogus "recovery" fees is malice. In fact, it is so outrageously abusive I would call it Malice in Wonderland.

    25. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you kidding? Google is in bed with these dicks now.

      And VLC can't exactly do a damn thing. Or the EFF. They'll try and fail.

    26. Re:looks like copy paste fail by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      "accident", yes, that's it. Because VLC matches the terms of an HBO show.

      Except in reality, where it's not an accident but straight up incompetence, which also doesn't prevent people from finding the link. It makes it *easier*. Need to find out if a file may be legitimate? Well, if it's blocked there's probably better chance that it is. Not only that, but now you can just view the DMCA claim to find your link.

    27. Re:looks like copy paste fail by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      "Because there aren't clear boundaries for what constitutes fair use and an original work"

      Actually, that's pretty clear. It's a problem in how you have to defend the issue in court, but fair use isn't confusing. Fair use is also explicitly clear in that programs like VLC do not even get involved with copyright.

    28. Re:looks like copy paste fail by bferrell · · Score: 1

      It is in fact a legal notice subject to the same requirements for review of accuracy... You're right. Prosecute for perjury and the willy nilly, "spam the world and see what sticks" crap will stop.

    29. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      AT&T does not care about you. It has zero knowledge of you. It harbors no "Malice" toward its customers. All it wants is maximum money. If it ends up fucking you over in the process, then so be it. It is not Malice. Unless you just want to re define the word malice so it fits.

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    30. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Malice intends to cause harm. This is just not giving a shit if your actions and carelessness causes harm.

    31. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Artraze · · Score: 3, Informative

      > They cannot possibly be the owner of the copyright to VLC, shitwit.

      Yeah, and no one is claiming they otherwise. They are claiming that VLC* violates their copyright on Game of Thrones.

      Do they own the copyright on Game of Thrones? Yes
      Has VLC been proven in a court of law to be not infringing on one their exclusive rights to Game of Thrones? No

      This is therefore a totally legitimate request under then letter of the law, slimy as it may be. Ignorance and name calling doesn't change that.

      *If we are being particular, they are citing a torrent page, not VLC itself. Thus your comment is even more incorrect as even if your misunderstanding was accurate they'd be claiming copyright of a page on torrentportal, not VLC.
      Further, while it's not really important for this discussion, I'd point out that that detail further muddies the waters: The torrent and/or the the description may actually contain some content from Game of Thrones. I've not checked and don't care to.

    32. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That language tracks that of the DMCA, which only requires a statement under penalty of perjury that the rights you're asserting are yours ("I'm HBO and I have exclusive rights to Game of Thrones"), *not* that the takedown notice is accurate ("and I demand you take down the content at http://www.fgfsdgfdsgsd.nl/HeSticksHerWithHisNeedleWhileTheyDoItDireWolfStyle.avi which is believed to be infringing my exclusive rights in Game of Thrones.") (Actually, that example /might/ be ... ;) )

    33. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the psychopaths want is burn all books and make us rent it all for a limited time and without real access to the content itself.

    34. Re:looks like copy paste fail by StormyWeatherL33T · · Score: 1

      Okay, it might not be malice, but I'm sure we can all agree it's evil, i.e. harming others (e.g. takedown notices) to benefit oneself (e.g. stockholders).

      Never made a judgment call on if it was good or not. Just that it was not Malice.

      Just so long as we're focused on what's important.

    35. Re:looks like copy paste fail by sootman · · Score: 1

      Ignore that, what about the "The information in all notifications submitted through the Program will be accurate" part?

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    36. Re:looks like copy paste fail by gravis777 · · Score: 1

      So, under copyright claim 12, HBO is claiming to own the rights to Hannah Montanna Season 2? Disney should sue - they have to protect their copyrights from these theives at HBO!

    37. Re:looks like copy paste fail by QuasiSteve · · Score: 2

      *If we are being particular, they are citing a torrent page, not VLC itself. Thus your comment is even more incorrect as even if your misunderstanding was accurate they'd be claiming copyright of a page on torrentportal, not VLC.

      Which, of course, makes a world of difference from what is implied by the story's title and summary.

      My guess is that they found a forum post linking to a bunch of episodes which also included a link to VLC (as a useful "use this to play them" by the post's author), and that got copy/pasted to the people who distill things into a DMCA complaint, while nowhere along the line it was actually checked whether each link was valid under the complaint.

      Dumb mistake and I agree with others that they should be punished for it, but this is hardly a case of HBO nefariously trying to get rid of VLC.

    38. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Who can push for this?

    39. Re:looks like copy paste fail by dragon-file · · Score: 3, Informative

      Malice doesn't have to be directed. If I plant a bomb in an attempt to blow up 20 people I don't know, that is malice. If I attempt to shoot my ex girlfriend with a rifle, that is also malice. Malice is just the intent to cause harm whether its personal or not.

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    40. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      Looks like they just copied the VLC link by accident. There was only one link there(besides its probably a virus and not a real VLC copy anyways). Yawn.

      Doesn't matter if it was by accident or not. They are effectively stating that all links listed in their requests are violating their copyrights and taking legal action through the DMCA. Maybe it was a mistake, but before bringing legal action, which is what the takedown notice is, they should have verified the infringement. The assumption under US law is innocent until proven guilty. HBO had the burden of proof and they failed to exercise due diligence. What if they had grab some the legitimate site of some business by mistake?

      The take down request was bogus and HBO should be fined for their bogus request. Whether it was a mistake or not, does not factor into the equation. Maybe next time they will actually check that the content does infringe their copyrights.

    41. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Holi · · Score: 2

      Or possibly that it is actually an episode of GoT just renamed VLC MEDIA PLAYER.exe

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    42. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Holi · · Score: 1

      No they are claiming a file on the internet named VLC MEDIA PLAYER.exe is infringing, and it could be, I mean nothing is stopping someone from renaming a file.

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    43. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 2

      You still have to have the intent. Malice is not firing a shotgun at a beer can because you want to see it "Blowed Up!" and not giving a fuck about the 3 people standing behind the beer can. They do not give a shit about you.

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    44. Re: looks like copy paste fail by Dishmopo · · Score: 2

      Or maybe, just maybe the webpage itself has infringing content on it, and are not necessarily claiming that VLC is violating their copyright. It is certainly in the realm of possibility that the page had a link to a game of thrones page, or maybe an ad for a unauthorized stream of the show.

    45. Re:looks like copy paste fail by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's generally a 4-way tradeoff in any corporate decision between what benefits management, stockholders, employees, and consumers. It's usually the case that favoring consumers does the most net economic good (translate that to moral good however you desire).

      Everything you do harms some others. You can argue that the RIAA takedown notices are evil because they restrict fundamental freedoms, or because they hurt consumers more than they help stockholders or artists, but you'd need to show that.

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    46. Re:looks like copy paste fail by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      " 41.71 MB (43,733,142 bytes)"

      No. Clips, maybe. Even an audio track, perhaps. I'd have to download it to be sure. But it's not an episode.

    47. Re:looks like copy paste fail by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Which would be fine if they copied the link onto some random document.
      But they copied it onto a DMCA takedown request, in which case accidents are not okay.

      If I tell somebody to kiss my ass, it's quite a different thing from having that person sign a contract stating their intent to kiss my ass.
      Similarly, if you say something is yours, it's quite different from sending a DMCA takedown notice claiming copyright infringment and requiring immediate removal.

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    48. Re:looks like copy paste fail by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Is willingly and knowingly being grossly negligent not evil in itself?

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    49. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      You don't get to define malice as being done only to the people the perp wants to count, not when the perp damned well knows that other people will suffer. Do that, and you're one step away from counting the victims themselves as just side effects. When somebody says, in effect "This will help me or some special people I care about, and I don't care about those other people", do you really think they just don't care? "I didn't give a damn about those parts of what I set into motion, nothing personal to those afflicted", is not a malice free attitude, it's the defense of someone caught in an act of deliberate evil. "I didn't hate X, I didn't even know him. It was nothing personal" is what a criminal says when they're obviously going to be found guilty but they are still arguing for a lighter sentence. Please, don't base your personal morality on that.

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    50. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      WTF? When did I ever state that I based my morality on "I can do whatever I want as long as it is not purposely designed to do harm"? What is right and what is wrong does not correlate with what is and is not Malice.

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    51. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Is willingly and knowingly being grossly negligent not evil in itself?

      From my post...

      Malice is done for the evil it does. See that word there. It matters.

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    52. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      This is therefore a totally legitimate request under then letter of the law, slimy as it may be. Ignorance and name calling doesn't change that.

      To quote a favorite webcomic of mine: "You can do more evil when you do it legal."

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    53. Re:looks like copy paste fail by PRMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear the next episode is going to be called: "AnyDVD HD"

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    54. Re:looks like copy paste fail by bdwebb · · Score: 2

      Are you mentally retarded? VLC Player is a VIDEO PLAYBACK SOFTWARE which HBO DOES NOT HAVE ANY CLAIM TO. If VLC infringes, so does Windows Media Player.

    55. Re:looks like copy paste fail by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      "Better return for stockholders" is done for the benefit of certain people.

      And when that better return comes at the expense of another, it's malice ... whether it was intended or not.

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    56. Re:looks like copy paste fail by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      That's because sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from stupidity.

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    57. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can do evil unintentionally. You can not do Malice unintentionally.

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    58. Re:looks like copy paste fail by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget defamation, and anything else that a good attorney can come up with.

      I wonder if the EFF has gotten involved yet? This is a good example of why they exist. Not that anyone will shut down HBO, but make it hurt and make it as public as possible so even the common non techie man on the street can see and understand what is going on.

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    59. Re:looks like copy paste fail by bfandreas · · Score: 2

      Looks like they just copied the VLC link by accident. There was only one link there(besides its probably a virus and not a real VLC copy anyways). Yawn.

      When it comes to these large media companies you should never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice.

      IIRC there were safeguards planned against wrongful DMCA takedown notices. There were actual fines attached to them. What happened to those?
      It is a no-brainer to attribute this to corporate stupidity. But there is such a thing as due dilligence. And if HBO arms the lawyerpult for an extended siege they could easily bring down a private citizen. Due diligence is expected of us in all things and we do get thrown into prison for honest mistakes.
      Our access to the law is not equal anymore since it is hidden behind a huge paywall.

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    60. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Accident"
      Bullshit.

      Have you bothered to look at any of the DMCA takedown notices at chillingeffects?
      They ALL contain bullshit links to content unrelated to the stated property.

      Calling this incompetence an "accident" is like saying I "accidentally" burned down my house while making toast with a flamethrower.

    61. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Malice is a legal term referring to a party's intention to do injury to another party"

      Ie, a company that wants to maximize it's returns can have intent to over-change or trick their customers into bad deals. This is also referred to as malice.

    62. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Malice is a legal term referring to a party's intention to do injury to another party"

      > This can at times cause bad shit to happen to others, but this is a side effect.

      Malice is just when someone, with intention, do harm to someone else. If i did it just to be evil or because i wanted to be evil while i was robbing you does not really matter. As long as there was intent to do harm it's malice...

      I this case it's malice because they know they get lots of wrong links caught by their automated bots... And since they know they get false positives and do nothing about it it can be classified 'with intent'.. And they do harm with illegal takedown-requests that forces other peoples legal content to be taken down..

      It is sending illegal DMCA notices, yes it's perjury to send an invalid DMCA notice, forcing people to spend time and money on fighting something they are in their rights on just because a few companies does not want to do their due diligence before sending out these notices but completely rely automated systems with big flaws in them.

      So yes, i say that this is malicious behavior..
        1. They know about false positives in their automated system.
        2. They know it causes harm (extra cost and time for the recipient and publisher) when sending out an invalid request.
        3. They do not seem to try and reduce the false positives.

      Ie, they know they are causing harm and they continue with it.

    63. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Charging what people will pay for a service is not Malice. They price may be high. It may even be "Unfair". Setting a price is not Malice.

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    64. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      The GGGP of my previous post was stating that the inclusion of the VLC link was a mistake. The GGP called it Malice. Shitloads of craptastic DMCA takedowns may very well be malice. (IMHO it is.) The accidental inclusion of the VLC link though was not malice. It was just the result of not spending good money to make sure that did not happen. There is zero benefit to the issuing of a takedown on the VLC link. It will not be removed. Even for a minute. That link was there because it slipped through the cracks of the cheapest way to get as much of "Their" content taken down as possible. Not Malice.

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    65. Re:looks like copy paste fail by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      I had to look up the definition of malice, but you're right.

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    66. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Dishevel · · Score: 2

      I had to look up the definition of malice, but you're right.

      I have never seen this type of internet banter. I have no idea now how to respond. You sir win.

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    67. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't say that VLC infringes. He said they are claiming it infringes.

      Learn to think for 5 seconds before calling people retarded. He wasn't unclear.

    68. Re: looks like copy paste fail by jxander · · Score: 1

      Greed is directed at yourself, at the expense of others.

      If I get my road repaved because I hate all these god damned potholes ... it could be completely for my own benefit, everyone else is purely tangential. No one would call me greedy.

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    69. Re:looks like copy paste fail by doccus · · Score: 1

      AT&T does not care about you. It has zero knowledge of you. It harbors no "Malice" toward its customers. All it wants is maximum money. If it ends up fucking you over in the process, then so be it. It is not Malice. Unless you just want to re define the word malice so it fits.

      That is the *very definition* of evil...

    70. Re:looks like copy paste fail by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 1

      Declaring it "not malice" IS a judgement call

    71. Re:looks like copy paste fail by mysidia · · Score: 1

      If I attempt to shoot my ex girlfriend with a rifle, that is also malice.

      On the other hand... an observer would have no way of knowing that the attempt was malicious.

      As in you could later claim to have mistaken the girlfriend for an intruder; she grabbed a flashlight, and you thought she was pulling out a gun.

      There are countless explanations for AT&T's practices that have nothing to do with malice.

      And one could argue it can be maliciously negligent to assume malice, when there are alternative explanations.

    72. Re:looks like copy paste fail by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Malice is not firing a shotgun at a beer can because you want to see it "Blowed Up!" and not giving a fuck about the 3 people standing behind the beer can.

      Negligence/wreckless endangerment of a certain calibre rises to the level of malice, when the lowest-calibre reasonable person under those circumstances would immediately understand how wantonly dangerous and foolhardy the behavior was to other people.

      In other words; it's still a crime the shotgun holder would be guilty of, OR a crime they would be innocent of by reason of insanity.

  2. I own the rights to the letter E on line by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I own the rights to the letter E on line

    So Google better take down all links with an E in them.

    1. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's Googl.

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    2. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by slashmydots · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hey, Cookie Monster owns exclusive rights to the letter E! Everyone knows that.

    3. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I own the rights to the letters N, O, P, R and the number 0. As we all know what the Internet is for, we can effectively shut it down completely.

    4. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Spudley · · Score: 1

      That's Googl.

      Nah, if you read what he said, he only claims to own the upper case letter. We're safe to keep using the lower case 'e'. (unless someone else owns that, of course, but that would be silly, wouldn't it)

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    5. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that is a googol.

    6. Re: I own the rights to the letter E on line by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Microsoft owns lowercase 'e'.

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    7. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own the rights for O. I better get paid twice!

    8. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He owns the rights to C... and that's good enough for me.

    9. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... so Google better take the letter E away from all LCD screens. Through Android, Chrome and the soft keyboard.

    10. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Splab · · Score: 1

      Weird way of spelling cats..(?)

    11. Re: I own the rights to the letter E on line by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      And Apple owns the lowercase letter i.

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    12. Re: I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MSPatentedTheSpaceAndUnderscoreAndAppleMightHaveTheDash!

    13. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by PRMan · · Score: 1

      So that explains e e cummings. He was trying not to get sued by this guy.

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    14. Re: I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But only when it's light blue, and full of security holes.

    15. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're way ahead of you...never in the history of the internet has a large company been so prepared to deal with such a baseless claim.

    16. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      With rights to the letter O, why not just go right after ICANN for approving all those .com domains?

    17. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by rioki · · Score: 1

      Actually that would be the letter C.

    18. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own the rights to the letter E on line

      So Google better take down all links with an E in them.

      you own shit. not funny.
      facepalm comment. what you were thinking? jesus!

    19. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

      Now, that night-wing'd fowl placating my sad fancy into waiting
      On its oddly fascinating air of arrogant disdain,
      "Though thy tuft is shorn and awkward, thou," I said "art not so backward
      Coming forward, ghastly Black Bird wand'ring far from thy domain,
      Not to say what thou art known as in thy own dusk-down domain!"
      Quoth that Black Bird, "Not Again".

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    20. Re:I own the rights to the letter E on line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might own it online, but I own it *on a mobile device*. Pay up, Appl.

  3. Penalties by Major+Ralph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this is precisely why there needs to be penalties in place for false DMCA takedown requests.

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    1. Re:Penalties by afidel · · Score: 2

      There are penalties in the law, it's just that AFAIK nobody has ever convinced the government that a particular abuse was severe enough to implement them (yeah, it's a government for and by the corporations, why bother pretending otherwise)

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    2. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There aren't. The "perjury clause" only applies to falsely claiming to represent the person who claims to own the copyright, not to the claim of copyright itself.

    3. Re:Penalties by MacDork · · Score: 4, Interesting

      DMCA takedown requests are filed and sworn to be accurate under penalty of perjury. Perjury is a felony. Perjury penalties include fines and up to 5 years in prison. I doubt we will see any such thing applied to HBO for lying to the courts. There are two sets of laws in the US. Laws for the rich (HBO) and laws for the rest (file sharers).

    4. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should be automatic. We all know these complaints are generated by a largely automatic process, which contributes to the total volume and the volume of false positives. Fines should likewise be largely automatic -- it's the only incentive they have to increase the accuracy of their tools and shy away from the shotgun approach.

    5. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      They aren't. The perjury clause only guards the representation claim, where the DMCA notice is sent by a lawyer. It does not guard the actual copyright claim, which is made "in good faith".

    6. Re:Penalties by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      So, did the person submitting this request own the copyright to the VLC media player?

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    7. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only applies to the little guys. Haven't you noticed how big corps can regularly skirt penalties?

      Abusing your copyright has a penalty of losing it. How many price fixing charges have they faced with no real penalty? Why change now?

      Its a business case most of the time.

      If i do this and earn $10MM I risk getting caught i can face a $2MM fine. Net they are up $8MM and no one ever goes to jail. More often then not they pay the fine "without admission of guilt" even.

      Some Penalties are even tax deductible.

    8. Re:Penalties by jbolden · · Score: 1

      There are and rather severe ones.

    9. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not exactly true.

      The requirement is for the claimant to swear under penalty of perjury that the contents of the notice are accurate AND that they represent the copyright owner.

      The "hook" would be that the claimant committed perjury in the part of the notification where they indicated they had a "good faith belief" that the alleged content infringed the described copyrights.

      That said, the legal standard for a takedown notice is "I have a good faith belief that the content described infringes," NOT "I have conclusive evidence that the content described infringes." Proving someone committed perjury on a "good faith" belief is pretty hard.

    10. Re:Penalties by arnott · · Score: 2

      Before megaupload was raided, they were fighting a false DMCA claim against Universal. Now, because of the raid the case is over.

    11. Re:Penalties by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      There are and rather severe ones.

      Yes, but HBO is a corporation. Probably one with lobbyists too, so justice applies differently.

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    12. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, nor did they claim to do so.

    13. Re:Penalties by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? Absolutely nothing has actually happened, you can still use Google to get to VLC.

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    14. Re:Penalties by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Not enforced is a totally different problem. Just imagine treating this like they would a chop shop....

      The individuals at HBO entered into a conspiracy to not engage in proper do diligence before making fraudulent DMCA claims. That was part of HBO's structure and as such the following penalties shall be applied institutionally ______________. Individually the following individuals are to be convicted of misdemeanor fraud ...

      One can only dream.

    15. Re:Penalties by nucrash · · Score: 1

      I agree that there should be penalty to this shotgun approach. Just enough to sting a company such as HBO. $2500 per instance? Why don't start a petition on We The People and see how that plays out. Not saying something will happen, but VLC or someone needs to stand up for false accusations to protect material that isn't supposed to be removed.

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    16. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why some benevolent group hasn't submitted tens of thousands of DMCA takedown requests on the media owners' sites.

    17. Re:Penalties by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Not to the "rich" but to the powerful. Google's Larry and Sergy are rich. Oracle's Ellison is rich. Microsoft's Gates and Allen are rich. Jobs was rich.

      But they're not the powerful. Government contractors, in particular defense contractors like Cheney's Haliburton's friends are powerful. People in the oil industry are powerful. People in the entertainment industry are powerful. The people running the banks, in particular the entertainment banks, are all-powerful.

      There's a difference, and it's an important distinction to make. Wealth leads to power, but only if it's used to gain power. Tech people use their wealth to primarily gain toys (except maybe Ellison, but even his clout is limited to his own domain). Other people use it to gain power.

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    18. Re:Penalties by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      The individuals at HBO entered into a conspiracy to not engage in proper do diligence before making fraudulent DMCA claims. That was part of HBO's structure and as such the following penalties shall be applied institutionally ______________. Individually the following individuals are to be convicted of misdemeanor fraud ...

      do diligence?

    19. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it was submitted by an AS (Automated System for you noobs) so who exaclty would be held personnaly accountable for the perjury?

    20. Re:Penalties by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes you have to have good reason to believe you own property before claiming you own it. HBO didn't. They really didn't check the list point by point at all.

    21. Re:Penalties by ATestR · · Score: 2

      I think his point is that you should have used the words "due diligence".

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    22. Re:Penalties by compro01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      No and they're not claiming they do either.

      They're claiming that they own the copyright on Game of Thrones (true) and that a copy of VLC is Game of Thrones (false).

      The latter claim isn't made under penalty of perjury, only the former.

      Welcome to reason ERROVERFLOW why the DMCA is a horrible law and should be erased from existence.

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    23. Re:Penalties by Zordak · · Score: 1

      While that's true, I also fail to see how their copyright in Game of Thrones lends them a good-faith belief that they own VLC Media Player.

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    24. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol ERROVERFLOW, that's an awesome replacement for
      You sir, win the Internet for today.

    25. Re:Penalties by Holi · · Score: 1

      that a copy of VLC is Game of Thrones (false).

      Well we would actually need evidence to prove that claim false as noting is stopping anyone from renaming a media file to "VLC Media player.EXE"

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    26. Re:Penalties by Holi · · Score: 1

      The lawyer who signed off on it.

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    27. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually HBO outsources the DMCA stuff to Dtecnet who are obviously incompetent (Its a bit scary that they and their worthless software will be used to enforce the 6 strike system in the US), just look at this little gem:
      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130205/03124421884/how-much-does-hbo-pay-markmonitor-to-send-dmca-notices-removing-its-official-content-google.shtml

    28. Re:Penalties by Holi · · Score: 1

      How can you say these people are not Powerful. They certainly are. When you have enough money to sway the market you are powerful, more powerful then a government contractor as your power does not rely on the government. Multinationals are gaining as much if not more power then many sovereign nations.

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    29. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may have had good faith in their process to identify pirated copies of their works.

    30. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but they won't put a corporation in prison for five years, or even a day.

    31. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are acting in good faith, you should at least read the list submitted. It's obvious the signer did not do this, so I would argue they did not act in good faith.

    32. Re:Penalties by lgw · · Score: 1

      The have a good-faith belief that whatever they do, their pet senators "will make it legal".

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    33. Re:Penalties by lgw · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see: rich people on the right are evil, powerful, and mysterious, while rich people on the left are good underdogs who are just misunderstood.

      Why this obfuscation? Why not just come out and say what you mean? "Being on the left justifies all perceived wrongs, while being on the right means you can do only evil".

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    34. Re:Penalties by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      I think his point is that you should have used the words "due diligence".

      I think doo diligence would have been even more appropriate, since their actions are USDA Grade A bullshit.

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    35. Re:Penalties by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Oh spelling error. Quite true. Thank you for explaining what he meant.

    36. Re:Penalties by jbolden · · Score: 1

      You can outsource liability completely. HBO approved the list. Unless Dtecnet made very strong claims about the quality of the list...

    37. Re:Penalties by Zordak · · Score: 1

      They may have had good faith in their process to identify pirated copies of their works.

      Fair enough, and that's a legitimate point. But I still don't see how even a reasonable process identifies VLC Media Player as a pirated copy of Game of Thrones. On the other hand, maybe there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for how it could.

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    38. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So can we organise a massive effort to send HBO (and others) DMCA takedown requests for every file on their webpage claiming it infringes on whatever copyrights we individually own? Bury them under a mountain of "good faith" requests!

    39. Re:Penalties by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Perjury is a felony. Perjury penalties include fines and up to 5 years in prison. I doubt we will see any such thing applied to HBO for lying to the courts.

      Of course you won't see anything from it. The system is geared to protect people from this. It's a corporation and not actual person doing this. Sure you can fine them $2,500 for each instance but that is nothing to a company like HBO.

      When a corporation breaks the law someone needs to head to jail. In my option, several people. The lawyer that made the stupid thing. Lawyers should know better. He fired off a take down notice, turns out its not a legal one. Off to jail. I don't care if he didn't know it wasn't a legal one. He should have done better research, after all ignorance of the law is no excuse.

      The CEO is a good one too. He is, by definition, the captain of the ship and responsibility ends with the captain. He should know what is going on under his watch. An I don't give a shit if the company is too big for one man to know everything that is going. You take the responsibility of the job as CEO, and the paycheck, you get all the penalties too. Someone in the company breaks the law for the company his ass goes to jail and so does the CEO.

      As soon as some of these assholes start doing a little time in prison a lot of this shit would stop.

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    40. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DMCA takedown requests are filed and sworn to be accurate under penalty of perjury. Perjury is a felony. Perjury penalties include fines and up to 5 years in prison. I doubt we will see any such thing applied to HBO for lying to the courts. There are two sets of laws in the US. Laws for the rich (HBO) and laws for the rest (file sharers).

      The perjuring President wasn't rich yet when he got his wrist slapped. So I guess it's rich or powerful or both.

    41. Re:Penalties by MacDork · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. 512 c 3 a vi of the US copyright code:

      A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

      The perjury part only applies to the claim that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner.

    42. Re:Penalties by tibman · · Score: 1

      If you make it, i'll sign it.

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    43. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The right to ethical practice of law arises under the 9th Amendment, as a right retained by the people, and the 10th Amendment, as a right reserved to the people.

      Legal professionals swear oaths to uphold the law, as a precondition to being allowed to engage in the practice of law.

      Sending a false DMCA notice is both a violation of this oath, and of the right to ethical practice of law (any unnecessary law or legal action creates an artificial demand for the services of legal professionals, thus involves ethical conflict of interest).

      Thus, any legal professional sending such a notice is barred from the practice of law.

    44. Re:Penalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd argue that this is a good example of lack of "good faith." Anyone who actually knows anything would know that VLC is not Game of Thrones. It would take little effort on HBO's part to verify this, which is almost the definition of "not acting in good faith."

      "In good faith" would be if the IP address were mistaken due to a typographical error in one of the digits, or because of someone else's files titled "Throne Games" on an entirely different topic.

      Now, whether HBO would be given preferential treatment in court is a different issue. But I think a good legal argument could be made that they're not acting in good faith.

  4. Automated takedowns should be illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The robosigning foreclosure scandal wasn't enough? Algorithms aren't lawyers.

  5. Old News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reddit already covered this over the weekend. Just copy and past your comments from it.

    1. Re:Old News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tried to. /. Says "Filter error: That's an awful long string of letters there."

  6. Perjury. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perjury.

    Go to jail, do not pass GO.

    1. Re:Perjury. by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Annual prosecutions launched for DMCA related perjury is similar in number to prosecutions for regicide.

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    2. Re:Perjury. by Zordak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, you just put your name on the NSA watch list. "Regicide" has been a trigger word since Obama's 2011 Secret Executive Order 489382.19, declaring himself King of the Union For Life, and secretly changing our official name to the Holy Obaman Empire. There was a challenge to it from Congressional Republicans, who preferred Holy Reaganian Empire, but the FISA court smacked them down and declared the order constitutional. You really ought to catch up on your Coast to Coast AM backlog one of these days.

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    3. Re:Perjury. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to be redundant but:

      Dude, you just put your name on the NSA watch list. "Regicide" has been a trigger word since Obama's 2011 Secret Executive Order 489382.19, declaring himself King of the Union For Life, and secretly changing our official name to the Holy Obaman Empire. There was a challenge to it from Congressional Republicans, who preferred Holy Reaganian Empire, but the FISA court smacked them down and declared the order constitutional. You really ought to catch up on your Coast to Coast AM backlog one of these days.

    4. Re:Perjury. by Zordak · · Score: 1

      I hear that they also have tagged recursive jokes as being a red flag for socialistic leanings.

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  7. VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While it is not "infringing content", VLC player IS illegal in the USA. It is a digital lock-breaking device. Linux distrobutions which include DVD playback capabilities are also illegal.

    This is not surprising to me, but it hardly matters because it's not like VLC will cease to ever be easily available.

    1. Re: VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tool is not illegal, the use of it for such purposes is.

    2. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While it is not "infringing content", VLC player IS illegal in the USA. It is a digital lock-breaking device. Linux distrobutions which include DVD playback capabilities are also illegal.

      This is not surprising to me, but it hardly matters because it's not like VLC will cease to ever be easily available.

      Maybe my memory is faulty or not up-to-date, but VLC on Linux doesn't pay DVDs out of the box, does it? I seem to remember needing to specifically enable a non-default repository and explicitly install playback libraries for DRM'd DVDs before they would play.

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    3. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Urban+Garlic · · Score: 5, Informative

      As you hint at, it's the libdvdcss capability that's the main problem under anti-circumvention provisions of the US DMCA.

      You can get versions of VLC which only use FOSS and patent-unencumbered codecs. Debian used to (maybe still does, I haven't looked in a while) make this distinction pretty clear, the "main" packaged VLC was unencumbered, and you had to go outside the main package tree to get the other stuff.

      So, in most practical installations, you're right, but it's not literally true that "VLC is illegal in the US."

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    4. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends on the distro. I think recent versions of Ubuntu are set up like this, they have the "controversial" stuff in a separate repo.

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    5. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your point is moot. The MPAA complained to Norway which prosecuted DVD Jon for libdvdcss. They lost. John has since moved to the U.S.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen

      The MPAA does not want to accidentally set a precedent in the U.S. so while the decryption law is on the books, it is pretty much unenforceable. IANAL and this is not legal advice.

    6. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      My goodness guys, this is Slashdot and nobody knows anything about the goings-on of Open Source?. Debian doesn't include anything proprietary like DVD Playback, Flash Player etc. unless you get it from third party repositories. Ubuntu doesn't, by default, include DVD Playback (libdvdcss). The person whom installs the distro has to install the ability to playback restricted content.

      I don't know what we're all talking about anyway, Google isn't going to remove VLC from any search results, that would be stupid. As stupid as HBO and their team of blood-sucking Lawyers. Really, someone should say something.

    7. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Unless VLC actually includes libdvdcss, no one has any grounds to persecute it.

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    8. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by fredprado · · Score: 1

      It does not.

    9. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      libdvdcss is fully open-source and absolutely not proprietary. The binaries, and any program which uses them are still illegal in the USA.

      Standard Ubuntu and Debian ARE illegal in the USA. There actually exists a non-media USA-legal version of these distros, but few people are aware of them because the laws in question are utterly unenforceable so no one cares except for a few corporations.

    10. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the cat and mouse game.

      At one point you use to have a legal right to backup DVD's you paid for. Then CSS came along in an attempt to prevent you from using this right. Then people broke CSS and restored your right. So then the media corps pushed for DMCA to once again remove your right.

      How do you determine who's "rights" are more important?

      Who really loses out here? The pirates don't care if they are violating the DMCA, they are already infringing copyright laws, so is one more "law" going to stop it?

      People with kids who break DVD's lose out, people who pay for DVD's only to be hit with 10 minutes of "unskippable" ads and commercials lose out.

      I can sort of understand an unskippable FBI warning, but previous for a "soon to be released" movie from 4 years ago? If i'm forced to watch commercials shouldn't the price be lower?

      Perhaps the real need to backup DVD's would be reduced if the content owners offered a replacement program for broken disks? Since my purchase was a "license" and not the physical media why is there no replacement since my "license" is still valid?

    11. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it that Windows XP can go from NOT playing DVDs out of the box, to ABSOLUTELY playing DVDs out of the box after ONLY a VLC installation and nothing else?

      Please note, this isn't an argument, just an observation from experience.

    12. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the guy who packaged the Windows install packaged libdvdcss.

    13. Re: VLC is illegal in the USA by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      The tool is not illegal, the use of it for such purposes is.

      And if any media entity tries to intimidate any users over this, I believe the correct response is "Fuck Off" with one or both middle fingers raised in their general direction.

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    14. Re:VLC is illegal in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Debian doesn't include ... Flash Player etc. unless you get it from third party repositories.

      Debian Wheezy plays h264 content without problem. You do not need 3rd party repos for that stuff in Debian.

      Example:

      $ apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
      flashplugin-nonfree:
          Installed: (none)
          Candidate: 1:3.2
          Version table:
                1:3.2 0
                      500 http://debian.mirrors.ovh.net/debian/ wheezy/contrib i386 Packages

  8. Why don't they just ask to take down the internet? by Picass0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless there is punishment for these types of blanket requests copyright holders will continue to abuse the DMCA takedown process.

  9. Laziness is the culprit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would guess their crawlers found advertisements or screenshots from GoT at some point. Their lawyers probably drafted the DMCAs from a list without checking.

    I don't see any HBO properties on VLC's site though, so not sure about that.

  10. Easy solution by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Each link to material they do not own 100'000 USD to the target of the takedown notice and the same to the actual copyright holder. Alternatively, 30 days in jail for the executive in charge.

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    1. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Each link to material they do not own 100'000 USD to the target of the takedown notice and the same to the actual copyright holder. Alternatively, 30 days in jail for the executive in charge.

      I'd be OK with that except that there is a URL for "Freddy Got Fingered" in there and I sure as hell don't want to encourage the copyright holder of that gem with $100,000 in free money...

    2. Re:Easy solution by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Each link to material they do not own 100'000 USD to the target of the takedown notice and the same to the actual copyright holder. Alternatively, 30 days in jail for the executive in charge.

      I don't have reason to like the dtecnet much, by my taste their executives can go to jail for longer.
      (quote from the linked FA):

      It is worth noting that the DMCA notice in question was sent by DtectNet. This is the anti-piracy division of MarkMonitor, the same company that is also responsible for tracking down BitTorrent pirates as part of the upcoming six-strikes anti-piracy scheme.

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    3. Re:Easy solution by Xenx · · Score: 1

      That movie was a masterpiece!!!

    4. Re:Easy solution by jrclay · · Score: 1

      Or both such fine and imprisonment.

    5. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC would you like some sausage. AC would you like some sausage.

    6. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't VLC sue? Justice, and a great source of income!

    7. Re:Easy solution by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, 30 days in jail for the lawyer in charge.

      FTFY.

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    8. Re:Easy solution by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      But on paper, that'll be the assistant deputy backup lawyer. The one they pay $2 an hour to sweep the floors part time.

      Lawyers are very good at weaseling out of laws. That's kind of their job.

    9. Re:Easy solution by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Therefore the customer, namely the executive in charge.

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    10. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make that a Mandatory $100,000 fine $200,000 to the actual copyright holder, AND 10 years in jail for each false link. Works for me!

    11. Re:Easy solution by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

      That movie was a masturpiece!!!

      FTFY.

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    12. Re:Easy solution by evilviper · · Score: 1

      It's time for Google to engage in some "malicious compliance".

      They should have done as requested, and taken down all links to hbo.com, mtv.com, and the rest, and refuse to relist them until the guy who signed the DMCA takedown was successfully convicted of perjury for the incident (the stated legal penalty for a false DMCA takedown notice).

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    13. Re:Easy solution by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Therefore the customer, namely the executive in charge.

      I'm 100% for this. Give me some time to clone myself then I'll be 200%. The executive in charge should not be allowed to hide behind a cooperate name. He need to be held accountable for what people do under him.

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    14. Re:Easy solution by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      That's not an easy solution - that's ignorance. What if the URL used to point to infringing material, but the content was replaced? I could offer a VLC download that is actually a Game of Thrones episode, and swap content when interest dies down. Many other situations where your zero tolerance of the rich policy fails completely.

      Your proposal is a knee-jerk response assuming that only the people who deserve punishment will ever be on the wrong side of a takedown request.

      Keep in mind that the person offering content is the only person going "out on a limb" by offering content, and they are the only party required to attest that they are indeed the copyright owner, or are otherwise legally clear, in order for the content to be restored. This seems fair on the surface.

      Obviously HBO is a bunch of dickheads, and given the number of bad takedown requests their legal representatives should probably be sanctioned for those requests. The request also has to include both a good faith belief that the materials are not legal, and a statement attesting to accuracy. In both of those regards, single requests may hold up, but clearly the ridiculous pile of requests does not. And making a false claim is also against the law.

      Punish the people who made the claim - if they are lawyers they have a higher standard of providing correct information. If they are not, they are still subject to legal action. It gets murky when the claimant is a foreigner, which is why they get US companies to complain overseas, and foreign ones to complain in the US.

      And there are already laws on the books to deal with the problem, as far as it is possible to do so. Your $100k fine is not going to affect [Private] IP-Echelon Pty Ltd, AU. They have a presence in Hollywood, but the claim seems to come from the Australian office. So good luck with your non-solution - hope you screw over the people who can least afford it, and annoy the people who will laugh it off then wonder what sort of monster you created.

    15. Re:Easy solution by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Power always needs to come with responsibility, otherwise it gets out of hand. As can be observed very well with today's many executives, who will often not be required to take any responsibility for their actions, no matter how stupid, incompetent or malicious. In fact, there are multiple well-known instances of executives ruining one company, then going on to ruin another and the worst they get at the end is a golden parachute and early retirement.

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  11. Paying attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HBO was just trying to see if Google was paying attention...or would take down anything it asked it to! I guess the idea is that since VLC will play MKV, MP4 or TS files, or basically most of the file formats without DRM out there, it's violating copyright laws

  12. "including a lot of porn related material" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Must've accidentally confused it with videos of themselves screwing us?

    1. Re:"including a lot of porn related material" by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Must've accidentally confused it with videos of themselves screwing us?

      Sorry, them screwing us is a fetish well beyond porn.

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  13. Idiots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A lot of people use torrent sites to quickly watch something they may have missed on cable tv and I personally know many folk who enjoyed a series so much that they went out and bought the box set to have at home. HBO are asking for too much.

    1. Re:Idiots... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2

      Alternately, those individuals could have patronized other content providers that are willing to provide entertainment on terms and at a price that is more agreeable. Rather than feeling entitled, that is.

    2. Re:Idiots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, "a lot of people" are still in legitimate violation of HBO's copyrights when they do that (torrent the shows, I mean). If they've got an HBO subscription, then they've got access to free streaming of all of their shows. If they don't have a subscription, then they don't have the legal right to watch the shows without paying. When they buy the box set, they've purchased a legal license to the shows.
       
      I don't personally have a strong feeling that individuals should be punished for copyright infringement when they're doing it for personal consumption, but my feelings don't change what the law says, they don't take away HBO's right to enforce their copyrights, and they don't give "many folk" (myself included) legal rights to partake of someone else's copyrighted work without compensation to them at that time.

    3. Re:Idiots... by RDW · · Score: 1

      ...and I personally know many folk who enjoyed a series so much that they went out and bought the box set to have at home.

      You know nothing, Jon Snow!

    4. Re:Idiots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is true, I've never torrented any series, until defiance, why?

      Well I own the game and the tv series and missions are synchronised with each other. missions that are linked to the tv series only stay for two weeks, so I really wanted to watch the series as well.

      The TV series is a Syfy production, luckily in the Netherlands we have syfy, I was already looking at my cable company to get access to SyFy so I could watch it. Then I thought it would be prudent to check when SyFy in the netherlands would show those episodes. Well SyFy The Netherlands don't even acknowledge the existence of the series.

      Of course SyFy in america shows the whole episode on the web, sadly in the netherlands we can not see it.
      Apple sells the series as well, but not in the netherlands.
      Netflix also sells the series, but not in the netherlands.

      I've done my due diligence, sorry.

    5. Re:Idiots... by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Data is not the plural of anecdote. That said...

      When Fox changed the Terranova online streams from day after air to 8 days after the original aired, two things happened. First, I could no longer catch up on a missed episode and continue watching new episodes as they were broadcast, and like other non-episodic television series, it could be difficult to figure out what was going on in one episode without seeing the previous. You'd have to watch the episode-after-next mystified, watch the next episode on streaming, and then re-watch the episode-after-next for comprehension. By which point the third episode had already been misunderstood.

      Second, I discovered that their stream choked on anything under...about five megabits, since it would only buffer ten seconds or so. I alternated ten seconds of watching with 90 seconds of buffering for almost an hour, lost my patience, and abandoned the series.

      So, parent, what other content providers are making smart SF shows that is at a more agreeable price? After I gave up on Terranova in frustration, I more or less couldn't find anything else to watch on broadcast television.

    6. Re:Idiots... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      You're assuming you have a right to a sci-fi show. Stop wanting so much.

  14. Google vs HBO? Not even close by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dear HBO,
    GFY.
    Love,
    the Whole Internet

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    1. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by FunkyLich · · Score: 5, Informative

      I certainly am going to be modded down, but it is about time I explained that "GFY" stands for "Go Fuck Yourself".

      Always with love from the Whole Internet.

    2. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks, I read it as Good For You, and was having trouble making sense of the post.

    3. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh...you didn't need to explain it. The ones that didn't get it are PFM's that think that HBO's within their rights and there's not been any perjury done here...

    4. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I read it as Good For You, and was having trouble making sense of the post.

      Same here, even though I should have realized it was for Go Fuck Yourself.

      And when I read GFY, I was hearing it South Park style.

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    5. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I read it as Good For You, and was having trouble making sense of the post.

      Good for you is just a polite way of saying go fuck yourself. They really mean the same thing but one can be said in polite company and the other just gets the point across.

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    6. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by niftydude · · Score: 1

      I certainly am going to be modded down, but it is about time I explained that "GFY" stands for "Go Fuck Yourself".

      Huh, I always thought it meant " Go Fist Yourself". Learn something new every day I guess.

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    7. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1^Google

    8. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I certainly am going to be modded down, but it is about time I explained that "GFY" stands for "Go Fuck Yourself".

      Always with love from the Whole Internet.

      You are a troll for suggesting that people don't know what GFY means.

    9. Re:Google vs HBO? Not even close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to say that you're not alone, I read it as Good For You as well and it took me a good minute before realizing otherwise. I couldn't understand why "GFY" got Insightful status.

  15. So how about: Over 2% of 'honest' mistakes and ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    your right to submit takedowns is suspended for a month?
    These things are supposed to be carefully considered requests, not 'if we hit 7 out of 10, we're happy'...

  16. a possible "honest mistake"? by intermodal · · Score: 1

    When have you ever seen IP lawyers overreach their position in any "honest" way? Their methods are ham-handed shotgun approaches. Shoot randomly and hope it hits something.

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  17. It is not VLC they are attacking directly by ZeroNullVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is not mentioned is that the site in question has links to other listings with the release names which may correlate to what their spider was searching, "Game of Thrones."  This is very bad practice of the DMCA notice senders as linking to something which links to something which does not even have infringing content itself but a "direction or guidebook" to the potential content.

    So the VLC listing had another area that had other listings or popular links and because it had the name they listed it.

    There needs to be fines for false DMCA notices like this.  They do not own the release name itself.

    1. Re:It is not VLC they are attacking directly by melikamp · · Score: 1

      There needs to be fines for false DMCA notices like this.

      By saying this, you are tacitly defending censorship and the worst kind of monopolies: on ideas. There shouldn't be a legal way to censor the art on the Internet in the first place!

    2. Re:It is not VLC they are attacking directly by almitydave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google's reply should be:

      "We have ascertained that many of the URLs you provide do not in fact contain or link to your copyrighted content. It is apparent that you have not verified the URLs to be infringing under the provisions of the DMCA, and therefore cannot honor your request."

      They should do this anytime even a single URL fails to link to infringing content in this way. Maybe after enough tries IP holders will get their act together. Maybe not.

      Personally, I don't support piracy, and I do support IP in principle - but copyright is far too long (I think anything over approximately one generation is excessive), and nonsense like this has to stop. I'm glad the DMCA grants safe harbor, but there need to be penalties for companies that abuse the system. Perhaps losing the IP is too severe, but losing the ability to file DMCA takedowns for a period of time might be appropriate.

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    3. Re:It is not VLC they are attacking directly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But their reply won't be anything of the sort, because Google refuses to defend human rights on this issue. They cave to the lobbyists just as much as the politicians that created DMCA do.

    4. Re:It is not VLC they are attacking directly by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The issuer would simply switch to sending a lot more notices, with only one URL per notice.

    5. Re:It is not VLC they are attacking directly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Douchebag font alert.

      Do you occassionally type in ALL CAPS TOO? THAT'S WHAT DOUCHE BAGS DO, you know?

    6. Re:It is not VLC they are attacking directly by ZeroNullVoid · · Score: 1

      SOMETIMES I DO WHEN I WANT TO BE LIKE YOU.
      Most of the times I do not type in all caps.

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    7. Re:It is not VLC they are attacking directly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incidentally I'm all for promoting and supporting IP, but I believe that the internet was designed (likely by accident) to be free. I'm a developer and I cringe at the thought of seeing pirated torrents of stuff I've took a part of but at the same time I know that it's just how life is life. There's going to be those that genuinely cannot afford the product, but by becoming a loyal fan to your brand, it's likely that they will in time start buying your products once they do have the money. If they do it because they have money, they probably don't want to be spending on software or what have you because their priorities are elsewhere and can easily live without the product. There's also the pirates that hate DRM and are doing it out of protest, and lastly those that pirate to test a product before purchasing it is a thing too. So I don't really mind to be honest. If your product is good, you will get support. No matter what happens, whoever wants to not pay for your product will find a way one way or another and it's not like the internet invented piracy.

  18. What would happen by neminem · · Score: 2

    If I incorporated, and then had my "company" start spewing out DMCA notices algorithmically to every site that responded to a curl? "Does a.com exist? No. Does b.com exist? No... Does aa.com exist? Yes? Ok, they have infringing content, take them down please. Does ab.com exist?"

    1. Re:What would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably something like this....

      if [ $CAMPAIGN_CONTRIBUTOR ]; then
            $PROFIT
      else
            $JAIL
      fi

    2. Re:What would happen by bmxeroh · · Score: 1

      Step 4. Profit!

      Or maybe you'd get smacked down hard.

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    3. Re:What would happen by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Well, you're a small time operator so you'd either be ignored or sued into oblivion. Now, if you were a multi-billion dollar corporation....

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  19. Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requirement? by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

    And isn't there a punishment for lying on DMCA? Someone should enforce that.

  20. all this is doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    is turning chillingeffects web site into the 'google' for good stuff.

    1. Re:all this is doing by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      It sure is! The copyright holders figured this out about a year ago.

      In fact maybe this was an attempt to make DMCA takedown lists less useful, by filling them with unrelated stuff, no longer making them a handy directory of the goodies you're looking for.

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    2. Re:all this is doing by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      It sure is! The copyright holders figured this out about a year ago.

      In fact maybe this was an attempt to make DMCA takedown lists less useful, by filling them with unrelated stuff, no longer making them a handy directory of the goodies you're looking for.

      Except everyone needs a copy of VLC (unless you're an mplayer fanboy). So what they've really done is come to the end of their popular content listings, and now they're adding the tools people need to watch the content they've so helpfully linked to. Next I expect takedown links to cheap projectors and multimedia PCs.

  21. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by Dwedit · · Score: 2

    The "I Swear It's All True" requirement is to say that you are authorized by the copyright holder to send out the notice, not that the item actually infringes.

  22. AHAHA, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who would get VLC from a torrent site instead of downloading it from the official site?

    Scratch that. Who would download VLC at all? It's a shitty player.

    1. Re:AHAHA, what? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      VLC? Shitty!? You must be a mac user upset that it didn't have a minimalistic interface filled with silly skeumorphisms.

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    2. Re:AHAHA, what? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I like it, it adds to my right-click menu (so I don't need to make it the default), and plays everything without hassle.

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    3. Re:AHAHA, what? by pipatron · · Score: 1, Interesting

      A surprising amount of (mostly windows) users have been brainwashed to believe that all software and culture is by illegal to share. Free software is just some unknown crap, likely communist propaganda. If you have to download software from a warez site, it must be good quality software.

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    4. Re:AHAHA, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So put VLC on a warez site. Problem solved! :-)

    5. Re:AHAHA, what? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      That is a really dumb made-up attempted explanation. Try harder next time.

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    6. Re:AHAHA, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      w00t!

    7. Re:AHAHA, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You apparently live in a world where iOS 7 hasn't been announced and displayed. Skeumorphisms are out.

    8. Re:AHAHA, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I actually agree. VLC re-builds the wheel everywhere. It plays everything, but doesn't play many formats very well and screws up certain kinds of A/V and refresh sync.

      I tend to use media player classic or XBMC for everything because they provide a superior playback experience. I only occasionally use VLC for DVDs.

      And no, I am not a Mac user. I exclusively use Linux and Windows.

    9. Re:AHAHA, what? by lgw · · Score: 1

      All I want from a player is that I can click anywhere on the screen to pause, and that I can use a mouse scroll wheel anywhere to change the volume.

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    10. Re:AHAHA, what? by pipatron · · Score: 1

      So put VLC on a warez site. Problem solved! :-)

      Yeah well, that's what happened here. VLC was put on a site called www.torrentportal.com, and this likely has something to do with it ending up on the list from HBO.

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  23. what a ridiculous waste of time by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2

    arent these media companies smart enough to realize that piratebay doesnt have any control whatsoever of the names of the torrents? i mean really...if TPB took down all the Game of Throne links that HBO wanted them to, within 5 minutes they would all reappear with slightly different names and different links.

    and yes, i know already the answer is no they aren't.

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    1. Re:what a ridiculous waste of time by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      TPB correctly doesn't respond to DMCA requests because they're not hosting the content in question. These requests are directed at Google. So if you search "game of thrones season 1 HD torrent" on Google you won't get a link to a magnet link that will lead to a torrent of that exact thing on TPB. But if you go to thepiratebay.sx or whatever their latest TLD is and search for that you'll get it right away.

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    2. Re:what a ridiculous waste of time by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 1

      yes of course you are correct but who the hell searches google for torrents?

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    3. Re:what a ridiculous waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HBO and the NSA

    4. Re:what a ridiculous waste of time by green1 · · Score: 1

      TPB doesn't respond to DMCA requests because they aren't under US jurisdiction and hence the DMCA doesn't apply.

    5. Re:what a ridiculous waste of time by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      yes of course you are correct but who the hell searches google for torrents?

      To be fair, Google often does a better job of filtering torrent matches to your search terms than your everyday garden variety torrent search site.

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    6. Re:what a ridiculous waste of time by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I do, why search one torrent site when you can search them all at once?

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    7. Re:what a ridiculous waste of time by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That too...

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  24. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 2

    Which covers false DMCA requests where they flag content that really belongs to someone else - such a VLC. You're right though that this perjury thing does nothing to solve the problem of DMCAs being sent for content that fits in to the "fair use" bucket.

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  25. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "I Swear It's All True" requirement is to say that you are authorized by the copyright holder to send out the notice, not that the item actually infringes.

    Which is all dandy until you demand the takedown of something that any lawyer doing the most basic due diligence would know was not theirs. Which has happened countless times, some of them reported on /. That's the kind of shit that should lead to the lawyer being disciplined. But don't. And if you want to look for things that are seriously screwed up with the USA today, you can start there since it's already on the table.

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  26. Re:Why don't they just ask to take down the intern by c0lo · · Score: 2

    Why don't they just ask to take down the internet?

    Un-possible. Adult entertainment industry will recreate it back.

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  27. three strikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There should be a three strikes rule on this -- submit invalid requests three times, you get ignored as a troll from there on out.

    1. Re:three strikes by Holi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No the three strikes rule should be you lose your IP to the public domain. If you cannot be trusted to not claim ownership of other peoples property, you should lose your right to claim copyright at all.

      We take a felons right to vote (without a doubt a more important right) so why can't we take away their copy right.

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    2. Re:three strikes by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I suspect that would only benefit patent trolls, who would sue twice with some IP, then the company would dissolve and miraculously, a new company would start with all the same people, IP assets, secretaries, and stationary. Meanwhile, companies with actual copyright infringements to consider would have to make absolutely sure that whoever they sued was ground into bankruptcy.

    3. Re:three strikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This won't work because the copyrights and the company doing the suing will just be held under a different company and when a court removes that right from the company, we'll dissolve that one and create a new one.

    4. Re:three strikes by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      No the three strikes rule should be you lose your IP to the public domain. If you cannot be trusted to not claim ownership of other peoples property, you should lose your right to claim copyright at all.

      We take a felons right to vote (without a doubt a more important right) so why can't we take away their copy right.

      Now there's an idea I can put my John Hancock on!

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    5. Re:three strikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that would only benefit patent trolls, who would sue twice with some IP, then the company would dissolve and miraculously, a new company would start with all the same people, IP assets, secretaries, and stationary. Meanwhile, companies with actual copyright infringements to consider would have to make absolutely sure that whoever they sued was ground into bankruptcy.

      That's not a bad thing. Making copyright holders less sue-happy would buy back massively against the overreach. Having to be sure within reasonable doubt is not a particularly strenuous thing to ask, you just have to make a not-obviously-wrong statement in good faith. Being found wrong in court later doesn't matter (honest mistakes can happen) as long as you show that you at least tried not to be a sue-happy dick.

    6. Re:three strikes by Holi · · Score: 2

      Actually no, if my way was followed they would have the same people, secretaries and stationary but their IP would now be in the Public Domain. Thus no standing to sue.

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    7. Re:three strikes by Holi · · Score: 1

      Oh, never mind, my reading comprehension sucks sometimes

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    8. Re:three strikes by Yakasha · · Score: 3, Informative

      No the three strikes rule should be you lose your IP to the public domain. If you cannot be trusted to not claim ownership of other peoples property, you should lose your right to claim copyright at all.

      We take a felons right to vote (without a doubt a more important right) so why can't we take away their copy right.

      You can.

      You just have to stop voting for the two major parties that support the current system.

    9. Re:three strikes by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      We take a felons right to vote (without a doubt a more important right) so why can't we take away their copy right.

      I think you are confused. Felons can vote, they just can't run for presidency.

    10. Re:three strikes by GoogleShill · · Score: 4, Informative

      A lot of states do not let felons vote, and it is a terrible thing. I don't see how one should be forced to pay taxes when they have no say in how the government is run.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement

    11. Re:three strikes by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I agree with you. Once someone has served their full sentence, to include the probation period, they have paid their debt to society. They should be fully reinstalled in society with all rights. I don't like the way so many things are called felonies now as well. Good people sometimes make mistakes and to have a lifetime of second class citizenship after serving their sentence is wrong.

    12. Re:three strikes by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      As a former resident alien, I agree with your objection to paying taxes without being able to vote ;)

      If it's a state law though, guess they can move?

    13. Re:three strikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of states do not let felons vote, and it is a terrible thing. I don't see how one should be forced to pay taxes when they have no say in how the government is run.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement

      The trouble is it may be seen as favouritism or corruption if they are allowed to vote, since the politicians are also crooks.

    14. Re:three strikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but a similar rule aimed at infringement, and no doubt you'd be crying bloody murder.
      Fucking hypocrites, the lot of you.

    15. Re:three strikes by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Once you've proved that you can't play nicely with the rest of us, you get some of your rights taken away. Want to vote? Don't commit felonies. It's pretty easy to do.

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    16. Re:three strikes by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Once you've proved that you can't play nicely with the rest of us, you get some of your rights taken away. Want to vote? Don't commit felonies. It's pretty easy to do.

      You don't seem to be aware of just how many felonies you have committed today!

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    17. Re: three strikes by jxander · · Score: 1

      Patent trolls don't profit my necessarily winning their cases against big corps. They mostly just need to keeping themselves employed as lawyers, so they can destroy little companies and lick up the splattered entrails.

      HBO would be fine, as long as they actually paid attention and didn't send out DCMA notices for "All The Things!"

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    18. Re: three strikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I had mod points. +1 certainly. Heck. Plus infinity!!!

  28. So we can't actually watch anything ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So being able to watch random videos and DVDs you own violates copyright? So when you buy a DVD you can't actually ever watch it since you would be violating copyright laws...

  29. Time to have fun by ciderbrew · · Score: 1

    Start asking sites to take down marketing and promotional HBO material on their behalf. No mass media content on Youtube. Internet killed TV - replace them.

    1. Re:Time to have fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and thank you HBO for the list of sites I can pirate your content from. Streisand effect much?

  30. Please take a flying f*** at a rolling doughnut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really. This is idiocy.

  31. Re:Why don't they just ask to take down the intern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Between all off the free sites out there and the piracy, how precisely does anyone actually make any money on porn anymore? I've been surfing porn for more than a decade now, and I have yet to actually ever buy anything.

    I guess there are people who don't know how to operate the internet or something, but I can't imagine that number of people is growing.

  32. Time to do what they ask by Serif · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I seen from TFA that HBO at one point requested their own website to be removed. If I was Google I'd be paying extra special attention to requests for Mega Corp A to take down Mega Corp B's website (or even better their own), and react quickly. Of course I might be a little slower in dealing with the subsequent undo requests whilst watching the ensuing entertainment.

  33. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by jbolden · · Score: 1

    Falsely claiming to have rights to something you don't, including copyright, is fraud. When HBO claimed to have rights to VLC they either were mistaken or fraudulent. If there is some other reason some DA were pissed at HBO this creates an opening.

  34. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by jbolden · · Score: 1

    It shouldn't lead to the lawyer being disciplined. It should lead to the company being disciplined. HBO should be responsible for the content of the list.

  35. Re:So how about: Over 2% of 'honest' mistakes and by c0lo · · Score: 1

    your right to submit takedowns is suspended for a month? These things are supposed to be carefully considered requests, not 'if we hit 7 out of 10, we're happy'...

    Alternatively, some of the takedowns may be executed.

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  36. Naruto link is to a search engine by grimJester · · Score: 1

    This link is to a search engine, where "juegos de naruto" give some hits for "juegos de tronos" which is Game of Thrones. How on earth is this a valid takedown request? Why should Google remove links to a search engine, especially when the search is for something other than the infringing material?

  37. Re:Why don't they just ask to take down the intern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Niche appeal. Porn is all about catering to very precise tastes. You may easily find very broad categories of porn, but once people determine what appeals to them, reliably scratching that itch can be a challenge. Porn is very much an industry that bends over backwards to cater to the precise needs of consumers precisely because they are competing with the very large quantity of free stuff out there.

  38. Because blanket requests are necessary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The DCMA is a decidedly imperfect piece of legislation, and can be blatantly abused, as we've seen time and again.

    That said, a blanket request based on an automated scan really is in many cases the ONLY thing that could plausibly work. If I want to post infringing material, getting a new URL or domain is trivially (scriptably) easy. Fighting scripts by hand is impossibly time consuming. Fighting scripts with scripts is the only plausible approach that could work.

    Scripts sometimes make mistakes. Criminalizing mistakes isn't "obviously correct" as an approach.

    If you want to argue that the net should be a 100% copyright free zone, you're entitled to make that argument. If you're NOT arguing for that, please explain what you see as a "workable" alternative to not-100%-perfect mass takedown notices.

    Deliberately ABUSIVE takedown notices (such as a company claiming all negative online reviews are DCMA violations) are something I'd like to see the DCMA address better. But the problem there is NOT that notices are made in bulk, but rather that they're made in bad faith - they deliberately and knowingly target non-infringing content. THOSE we should fight. (In this case, I'd argue the "under penalty of purjury" assertion of a good faith belief in infringement is violated, but I'd like to see the DCMA slightly stengthened around this).

    1. Re:Because blanket requests are necessary. by Xenx · · Score: 1

      The onus should be on the accuser, not the accused. In the case of a false positive, the affected site has to take their time and money to fight it. Google, in this case, also has to spend their time and money on processing the requests. You're negatively affecting two parties for the benefit of another. Specifically, another party that is unwilling to spend the time and money to vet the notices before sending them.

    2. Re:Because blanket requests are necessary. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Scripts sometimes make mistakes. Criminalizing mistakes isn't "obviously correct" as an approach.

      Of course it is. Individuals and corporations need to be responsible for their actions. The very basics of society and law will break down otherwise. Whining that "it's too difficult" is simply unacceptable. If you make mistakes that harm others, you need to be accountable for them. If you build a machine that makes those mistakes for you, you still need to be held accountable for them.

      As always we have a blatant double standard... "tort reform for the rich, crime and punishment for the poor".

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    3. Re:Because blanket requests are necessary. by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      If I were tasked with creating an automated seaerch tool to look for my client's copyrighted material the first thing I would do is assign a scoring threshold that estimates the likelihood of infringing content. This is a case where that threshold was clearly not meet.

    4. Re:Because blanket requests are necessary. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Google isn't required to make a legal defense against a DMCA claim. If Google takes a link down as per request, Google is not liable for any copyright infringement at the end of the link. If Google doesn't, and the specific case proceeds to court, Google will have to defend itself. If the DMCA notice was clearly a mistake, the copyright holder sending the message is not going to sue. There are penalties for bringing too many frivolous lawsuits.

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    5. Re:Because blanket requests are necessary. by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Google still has to field the requests. Per request, sure it's cheap. In bulk, the price starts to add up. Especially if they're verifying validity of the DMCA request. It's wrong to force costs onto the wrongly accused and the middle man.

    6. Re:Because blanket requests are necessary. by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      Also, HBO, Google will have to charge you a non-refundable $50 dollar research fee if the URL you send us is incorrect in any way, based on the takedown notice. Unfortunately, as you were unable to perform due diligence, we cannot bear the fee for researching URLs you submit for free.

      Respectfully,

      Google Billing Department

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  39. Re:Why don't they just ask to take down the intern by c0lo · · Score: 2

    I've been surfing porn for more than a decade now, and I have yet to actually ever buy anything.

    My guess? For enough many it's more about the "intensity" (can't call it quality) rather than the easiness to find "appetizers".

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  40. Even now by Endo13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd still pay HBO a reasonable amount of money to watch their shows online. But I can't. First, I have to buy cable TV ($60/mo), then I also have to buy a special package that includes HBO ($30/mo), and then I still have to pay extra for HBOGO. So over $100/mo to watch a couple good shows. Yeah, I'll just keep using torrents. Even though it's still a huge ripoff compared to other services like Netflix and Hulu, I'd pay $10-15 per month just for HBO online. Let me know when you're serious about wanting my money, HBO.

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    1. Re:Even now by neorush · · Score: 1

      Agreed...It'll be nice when they finally realize this. I do not have cable or satellite subscription at home, but I do want to watch these shows before they are out for purchase. Give me a digital download for a few dollars, or even put them out on sale when they air. I'm fine paying a reasonable price for content.

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    2. Re:Even now by doctor_subtilis · · Score: 1

      What I really want to know is what factors are preventing them from taking this route. They already have a site for HBO GO but it's only accessible to cable subscribers with HBO package. I'm wondering if the cable networks have HBO locked into a deal or maybe they are just threatening some kind of anti-compete lawsuit or something.

    3. Re:Even now by nedlohs · · Score: 0

      If the GPL wasn't so restrictive I'd be happy to follow it. But since it isn't I'll just keep using selling my non-GPLed software that's a derivative of gcc anway. I'd be happy with some lesser restrictions the FSF can let me know when they have it under those.

      That's perfectly fine reasoning by you I take it? Rather than just not having a product you believe is overpriced it's OK to ignore the copyright of the creator and torrent it, so why not do the same with software licenses you find overly restrictive?

    4. Re:Even now by Andrio · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oblig comic:

      http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

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    5. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux users aren't the pirates. Most of the pirates are windows users.

    6. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The do sell a lot of this content a-la carte on iTunes. It's on a delay similar to the DVD release but it's there for a reasonable price.

    7. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TAKEDOWN NOTICE!
      Your posted link to "theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones" seems to infringe on DMCA for "Game of Thrones" by providing instructions on how to perform a criminal act. Cease and desist immediately, or be eliminated!

      Yours forever,
      HBO.

    8. Re:Even now by njnnja · · Score: 1

      If you just want a couple good shows, you can buy them a la cart relatively inexpensively without HBO GO. Game of Thrones is on Amazon Instant Video for $3 per episode, and the box set dvd for the first season can be found online for about $40.

      But back on topic, I thought the whole "A video player is illegal because it can infringe copyright" was settled a long time ago. Even if VLC can help infringe copyright, under current law they can't ban it. But if they are trying to change the legal answer to that question then that is the real problem here, not the outrageous cost of HBO GO, nor your inability to to find cheap and readily available, but not free, alternatives to torrent sites.

      I guess if HBO GO was $10-15 per month you would happily give them your money while they make VLC use illegal?

    9. Re:Even now by jjhall · · Score: 1

      Whether they are "forced" into doing this or if it is an unwritten agreement is the only real question here. Cable and satellite companies are scared to death of ala carte premium programming. I'm sure they don't make much on premium channel subscriptions like HBO, Showtime, etc. Their bread and butter is in the low tier packages. Right now they hold the monopoly on premium content. If you want the movie packages, you're forced to have the $30 basic package full of channels you don't want before you can even think of paying for the channels you actually want. If everyone could get just the movie packages without the basic fluff by going directly to the premium networks, the traditional cable/satellite providers will lose their primary source of income.

      When the "small satellite" DSS trend began, DirecTV (DTV) and United States Satellite Broadcasting (USSB) were 2 separate providers that used the same bird in the sky to provide service. DTV had the basic and "expanded basic" levels of programming with the usual fodder. USSB had HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, and other premiums. The key was you could get USSB service without DTV, basically giving you what people are asking for now. You could walk into Circuit City, Future Shop, or even Sears and buy a DSS receiver (and self-install kit,) put it all on your house in an evening, and pay a reasonable amount for movie channels with no fluff. Unfortunately that didn't last long, and DTV acquired* USSB and it went back to the basic plus premium model.

      Consumers are now demanding split service again. They don't want 50 channels of MTV reality shows, shopping channels, and Spanish programming because they want to watch Game of Thrones or Shameless. Technology making this model possible, combined with the economic situation people are faced with today, is making people want to cut more waste out of their lives and out of their bills.They don't want to spend upwards of $150 per month for background drivel to be able to watch a few specific shows on a few specific channels, but it is what they're being forced to do. As others have said, if the providers aren't willing to provide it this way, they'll go to places where they can get it, piracy in this case.

      * I don't recall if it was a merger, buyout in one direction or the other, but one way or another DTV became what it is today.

    10. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you have a choice.
      On this side of the Atlantic, there's absolutely no legal choice to watch that show. I believe you might be able to get the first season now, and depending on your country, your only choice might be a locally dubbed version.

    11. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So wait a few months and buy the season of each show on DVD. Unless you're watching more than a couple shows you'll come in under an average of $10 to $15 per month. In fact, $120 will get you all three seasons of Game of Thrones on DVD at Amazon. Three years for $120 is about $3.33 per month. Stream them and it's even less.

    12. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am curious how you somehow think that you are entitled to getting their content for free just because it's too expensive.

    13. Re:Even now by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Because HBO is content with how things work, or it otherwise is a big pussy and doesn't want to take the risk of pissing off it's MSO partners.

      Forbes article from a few years ago on this very subject.

    14. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The situation you describe is different because it's about distribution, not use. If the GP had said they were selling bootleg copies of HBO shows then I doubt you'd find anyone sticking up for them.

      If a person knows they wouldn't have bought it anyway then it's a victimless crime. I agree that it should still be illegal because that's almost impossible to judge. But there's a difference between the law and what's morally right.

    15. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they've looked at it, and it's not as lucrative as keeping it this way.
      It might be that it forces people to get other channels as well, which they hope at some point people will start to watch, getting them hooked on other shows.
      Or it might be that they've found out that a lot of people are actually paying for the whole setup just for the one show, and they wouldn't be able to charge that much if they were selling the show separately.

      Or it might even be that they *could* make more money selling it online, but it's too risky.

      Whatever the case, I expect this to happen sooner or later, but the networks are going to be dragged kicking and screaming, just like music labels with digital music.

    16. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wrong of most counts, you would need basic digital cable (typically like 20 or 30 bucks) and hbo (typically 15 bucks) and ofcourse internet but lets assume you already have that, hbo go is free with your hbo subscription so you have to pay like 45 bucks, which is still ridiculous if you only want to watch hbo online but not nearly as bad as you want to fearmonger.

    17. Re:Even now by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      You can't violate the GPL by using software, so distribution is necessary for the example. It's still the same - ignoring the wishes of the copyright holder because you think their terms are too expensive rather than just not using their material at all.

      I don't really care so much if someone wants to torrent HBO shows because they don't want to pay for it - I suspect HBO doesn't care that much either, the pricing model the OP dislikes so much seems to indicate that they are making money from the cable providers anyway.

      The justification just irks me.

    18. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, HBOGO is FREE with an HBO subscription.

    19. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HBO Go. came out with the latest apple TV update.

    20. Re:Even now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with your point in general, I will point out that you are wrong about having to pay extra for HBOGO. Getting access requires a paid HBO subscription and also that your cable company has signed on to the service. If you don't meet those requirements, you can't get HBOGO at any price. If you do meet those requirements, it is free.

  41. Re:I own the rights to thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm going to get copyright on the process of thinking about watching anything from HBO and another copyright on the process of not thinking about it.. Dam, I already owe myself for not... opps .. for thinking.. darm... for not ... gee this could be a cash cow!

  42. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both should be disciplined. If you hire a killer to kill someone, the killer isn't going to get off free on the account that he just did what he was hired to do. Of course you won't succeed with the defence that in the end it wasn't you who killed that person either.

  43. Google should charge for bad/fake DMCA notices by Nyder · · Score: 1

    If i was Google, I'd start charging companies for fake DMCA notices. $100k per notice that isn't actually pointing to an infringing file that the DMCA filer doesn't own the copyright to.

    I bet these "mistakes" would stop happening pretty quick.

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    1. Re:Google should charge for bad/fake DMCA notices by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      They can't put any conditions upon when they'll accept a notice; refusing a notice merely means they lose their liability protection.

      But yeah, they could indirectly do it, with other punative measures against recurring abusers. If, say, notices regarding "Boardwalk Empire" were to exceed 50% bogus threshold (i.e. they are wasting Google's time, costing Google money) then Google could just remove HBO's own pages from searches too. Then they could charge in proportion to HBO's abuse, to restore the HBO links. What's really cute about this idea, is that censorship mechanisms already exist at Google, thanks to the same damn industry.

      I love the bonding idea too (if anyone should be posting bonds with DMCA notices, it's HBO!), but that's something Congress would have to do.

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  44. Guerilla DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Create throw-away sock puppet identity.
    2. Post DMCA take-down notices to Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc.alleging copyright violation in high-value properties owned by [insert HBO, Time-Warner, Your Favorite]
    3. Lulz!

  45. Fair is fair by sjames · · Score: 1

    We need to be just as understanding and willing to give the benefit of the doubt as HBO is when someone inadvertently shares their IP against copyright.

    That is, not at all.

  46. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by jbolden · · Score: 1

    I don't think lawyers should be held responsible to know what property HBO owns.

    Sorry. I think the lawyer is fine.

  47. The crooks at HBO issue millions of such takedowns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever I use Google, within minutes there tends to be a report at the bottom of missing searches due to the usual DMCA activity. Almost universally, on searches that have nothing whatsoever to do with HBO content, clicking on the link that shows the actual complaint received by Google gives a company working for HBO.

    So one looks down the hundreds of URLs that Google is told to block by HBO. Some, maybe 50%, are clearly referring to HBO TV shows (although whether those sites actually have infringing content is debatable). 50% of the URLs are clearly NOTHING to do with HBO content at all.

    Now, knowing that HBO is run by idiots (and HBO shows, while expensively produced, tend to be very very dumbed down compared to other cable networks- see Game of Thrones for a perfect example of this), the explanation seems to be that HBO pays the company searching for its content online a fee for every link sent to Google under the DMCA.

    So the cretins at HBO happily pay criminals who pad their work with at least 50% fake URLs to double the money they receive from HBO. Now, as time progresses, the crooks will seek to boost their income by figuring out new kinds of content to add to their URL lists. This positive feedback causes the agents of HBO (for whom HBO is wholly responsible) to desire to label ever more of the Internet as 'infringing'.

    Why is this story here? Because we all smell the stink of the slippery slope. VLC player allows the playback of video from ANY source, and especially eschews DRM systems. Hey, that obviously means VLC is like those dirty 'water pipes' or bongs that earn Yanks serious prison time if they dare to sell such in those same US States that agree with the right to Lynch a black child. Florida and the like would send the makers of VLC player to prison in a heartbeat.

    And my point is hardly a 'tin foil hat' one. A few years back, Tony Blair's propaganda master, Rupert Murdoch (you Yanks better know this modern day Goebbels as the owner of Fox) had thousands of Americans fined for simply buying so-called 'card reader' technology. Ownership of a device simply designed to READ a smart card became proof of the users intent to 'pirate' Murdoch's satellite TV service in the USA. The deep irony here is that Murdoch himself, using depraved criminal hackers working at his subsidiary in Israel, flooded the European market with actual counterfeit satellite smart-cards that gave illegal access to his rivals' services. When Murdoch's criminal activities were discovered, he suffered the same fate as when his illegal phone hacking in the UK came to light- ie., none whatsoever. Murdoch, like the BBC, are official propaganda arms of the British government, and governments do not prosecute themselves.

    I'm not saying that HBO is in the same league as Murdoch- that is just hilariously stupid. HBO is simply incompetent, mean-spirited, and indulges in childish wishful thinking. HBO's biggest problem is its refusal to offer many of its potential paying customers access to its material in a form more suited to the 21st Century.

    As for VLC player, well as I implied earlier, it is already illegal in the USA under various depraved legal principles including enhancing infringement by users and its incorporation of many computer algorithms covered by US patents. It was originally a project in the French university system to allow students to set up the first widespread video over internet networks TV channels. Today, amongst other uses, it attempts to be the one-stop video player for all codecs, and on a modern processor does a very good job even with HD material.

  48. Solution: Throttle sloppy DMCA users by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Provide a "strikes" setup for those who use automated DMCA processing:

    * If you send in an automated request for something you clearly should have known was bogus, that's a strike. If you send in an automated request for something that was "okay, yeah, I can see how you might have been confused by that," it's a large or small fraction of a strike, based on the circumstances.
    * After you get above 1 strike, you get 24 hours to promise it won't happen again. This is your "free strike." You also get a pass for errors in the next 24 hours, just because change doesn't happen instantaneously.

    * Starting 24 hours after your first warning, the stakes get raised:
    * If you have more than 1 full strike in the last 7 days not counting those strikes that were "forgiven," 10% of your automated takedown requests are processed manually. More than 2, 20%, more than 3, 30%, more than 4, 40%, and after that, Google sues you for a declaration that your DMCA takedown notices are too error-filled to be considered reliable, and asking the court to allow future notices only if the company sending them pays the full labor cost of manually processing all of the requests and declaring that Google is in compliance if it makes "good faith" efforts even if it is humanly impossible to process all of the requests in a timely manner. The court order would be in effect until the company had gone 30 days without sending in any questionable takedown requests.

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  49. HBO should have to post bonds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HBO's dmcanot is already known to be unusually stupid and overbroad. My personal experience is that that one bot has a 100% failure rate in an environment where all the other dmcabots really aren't very bad. HBO probably "thinks" Slashdot is infringing, simply due to mentioning the GoT trademark.

    The sad thing is that overbroad or not, once you have a DMCA notice, an unthinking intermediary (and yes, Google is such a beast) will cut you off unless you counter-notice. So just like that, the Internet is a lawyers-only club, since any page about anything can always be sent a DMCA notice with no consequences to the sender.

    I overall think DMCA's notice/counternotice mechanism is a basically good idea for buck-passing and getting ISPs out of fights, but this phenomenon does show one of its serious flaws. HBO has become a poster-boy, showing there need to be consequences for fraudulent or other bad-faith notices such as what they routinely do. Maybe each one should require the posting of a bond or something like that, and the bond is surrendered to the victim if they file the counter-notice. The requirement could even be just limited to entities with an established pattern and history of abuse, so that HBO would have to pay, but MGM, Showtime, Disney etc wouldn't.

    Oh, did you spot that? Yes, I'm lumping Disney in with the good guys in this context. That's how awful HBO's dmcabot is.

  50. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    demand the takedown of something that any lawyer doing the most basic due diligence would know was not theirs. Which has happened countless times, some of them reported on /.

    That's the kind of shit that should lead to the lawyer being disciplined. But don't.

    And won't: http://internetdefamation.net/defamation-cases/rossi-v-motion-picture-association-america

  51. Bar Cards and Grand Juries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this takedown notice was submitted by a lawyer - bar grieve him/her.

    California allows citizens to do presentments to Grand Juries. So write up the paperwork and do a presentment to a Grand Jury in California for a perjury charge.

  52. No seeds for the torrent, so why issue a takedown? by ComputerInsultant · · Score: 2

    Just to make sure, I tried downloading the torrent data to see if it really is VLC, not just a rename of Game of Thrones content. But there are no seeds, so there is no data.

    Why issue a takedown for a torrent with no seeds?

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    engineers are all basically high-functioning autistics who have no idea how normal people do stuff
  53. Google should grant HBO's request to remove HBO by naris · · Score: 0

    Since HBO also complained that their own website violates their copyright, Google should honor that and remove all HBO content from search results!

  54. I thought it was a compliment by CruelKnave · · Score: 1
  55. Chris Sevier by Fab774 · · Score: 1

    They should definitely contact Chris Sevier for legal advice. He's a lawyer, currently unemployed, and knows a few things about the internet.

  56. free Java applets by b100dian · · Score: 1

    free Java applets

    please please don't free them ever again !

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  57. VLC should takedown HBO by kawabago · · Score: 1

    VLC should send takedown notices on HBO's web site. See how they like it.

    1. Re:VLC should takedown HBO by chub_mackerel · · Score: 1

      Actually, maybe VLC should sue HBO for trademark infringement.

      After all, shouldn't it be the owner of the VLC software and trademark that does things like enforce IP rights? If someone else tries to enforce my rights without my permission, that seems awfully *confusing* to me... almost by definition, a trademark infringement.

      I dunno, worth a shot.

    2. Re:VLC should takedown HBO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm filing a DMCA request to have your post taken down because it's completely fucking idiotic. Just shut the fuck up already.

  58. Avast! by zixxt · · Score: 1

    Avast is lightweight... I am ruining it right now on 450mhz pentium 2 with 384mb of ram. Avast is the only free av that didn't slow this machine down.

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    1. Re: Avast! by zixxt · · Score: 1

      lolz wrong story

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    2. Re:Avast! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Avast is heading in the wrong direction, sadly. I'm noticing an old XP machine of mine is spending a lot more time pinned at 100% CPU and the culprit is an Avast process.

      OTOH it's probably XP just being XP, and a reimage will fix that shit right up. It never did like to go more than half a year without a reinstall.

  59. Yeah, lets ban Hondas too by moxley · · Score: 1

    Yeah, lets ban Hondas too - because I've heard they're sometime used in robberies.

  60. Guess I won't be buying Season Three of GoT by runeghost · · Score: 2

    I enjoy Game of Thrones, but find very little other content on television that appeals to me. I decline to pay my local cable monopoly $300+ for one show, so buying the DVDs is my only way of making a contribution to the show's bottom line.

    I use VLC for pretty much everything that isn't Hulu or Netflix. I guess the folks at VideoLAN can put that extra $40 to better use anyway.

    1. Re:Guess I won't be buying Season Three of GoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I enjoy Game of Thrones, but find very little other content on television that appeals to me. I decline to pay my local cable monopoly $300+ for one show, so buying the DVDs is my only way of making a contribution to the show's bottom line.

      I use VLC for pretty much everything that isn't Hulu or Netflix. I guess the folks at VideoLAN can put that extra $40 to better use anyway.

      Shut up. You know you'll still buy it. You aren't fooling anyone.

  61. 3-strikes law for DMCA takedowns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need a 3-strikes law for DMCA takedowns - 3 false DMCA takedowns and you lose your associated DMCA copyright for 1 year. Every 3 false DMCA takedowns the duration should increase exponentially.

  62. Real simple solution ... call and cancel HBO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... and when you cancel, let them know why.

    sure fire solution.... let the market work

  63. are they serious? by proudhawk · · Score: 1

    These guys surely must be kidding! I use VLC on my macbook and also on Linux. Its the only player thats entirely accessible for the blind. So what are these guys going to do? sue the entire BLC using public? I wish them luck with that!

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  64. Time for DMCA 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IN a perfect world, where we are represented in congress, as opposed to congress being for sale, we could get the DMCA amended... I would like to see it say that the takedowns requested must be granted or denied as a unit.

    You'd see a shitload less bullshit requests, and a lot more careful review of the items requested.

    CAPTCHA: BROWBEAT

  65. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    I don't think lawyers should be held responsible to know what property HBO owns.

    Sorry. I think the lawyer is fine.

    A lawyer hired to handle something like this, should damn well know how to research to see if the content being targeted for take down is their client's imaginary property. So yes, the lawyers should indeed share the responsibility.

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  66. You are pirated by your own fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If HBO wants GoT not to be pirated so much, here are a couple of tricks;

    1- Publish on Netflix.
    2- Publish on iTunes in less than a year after release.
    3- Publish on your own site.

    By forcing users to pay for a whole channel just to watch one show is digging your own grave.

    Anyone that doesn't want cable (I'm one) cannot watch GoT legally unless you wait until February to get season 3.

    1. Re:You are pirated by your own fault by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Anyone that doesn't want cable (I'm one) cannot watch GoT legally unless you wait until February to get season 3.

      Don't worry, I'm sure the Internet will be polite enough to avoid spoilers until then.

  67. xdcc / 0sec pre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the win!!!

    torrents??? actually paying for television???

    HAHAHAHAHAHAA

  68. new, flavored, syntactic sugar! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    they *may* be citing VLC because somewhere in its code, it contains infringing material. Maybe an error message of "Hodor hodor hodor"

    great, a new tiny programming language project on github in 3, 2, 1...

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  69. oh dear me by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    is copyright the one you have to defend lest you lose your right? or am I thinking trademark?
    that could open up a nasty can of worms if some third party collected those instances like that.

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    1. Re:oh dear me by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Trademark.

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  70. Re:Why don't they just ask to take down the intern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tastes...scratching that itch...bends over backwards...competing with the very large quantity

    Where can I find this video?

  71. service fee for responding to inaccurate DMCA req by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why doesn't Google charge money for erroneous DMCA takedown requests. I hear they get thousands of them and many are inaccurate either accidentally or by design. They are required to respond to legitimate requests but for errors I think a service fee is in order.

  72. Bad impressions by KarlIsNotMyName · · Score: 1

    I thought HBO had a more sensible approach to piracy. Or was that just the Game of Thrones producers?

    I like to pay for content I enjoy, to promote more of that type of content, but I'm not giving money to people who don't play fair, and don't care about the health of the market and culture in general.

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  73. New IP: Lawyer Script by skogs · · Score: 1

    Perhaps they are using a new program/script that does all their Lawyering for them. It must have 'accidentally' gotten the extra VLC link, assuming it was their content. No moderately versed PERSON would make this mistake, so it must be a machine. Therefore, we have a new threat in the wild: A never sleeping, never eating, intellectual property attorney that has no common sense or morals.

    Oh wait....that isn't really all that new. Maybe the electricity part is new?

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  74. How to search for pirated Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually DMCA takedowns have helped me find pirated matarial quite easy, as per law the request has to state the link to take down so, if you want to find where to download say the walking dead episodes just use google to search trough the chillingeffect.com :D

    google> site:chillingeffects.org the walking dead

  75. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lawyers hired by HBO to issue legal notices regarding HBO properties should absolutely know, at the very least, that the properties detailed in their legal notices are actually HBO properties.

  76. Re:Isn't there a "I swear it's all true" requireme by jbolden · · Score: 1

    Why? Obviously they have an obligation to make sure that HBO knows that, but being an expert in copyright law does not make you an expert in HBO's diverse holdings.

  77. Punish HBO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The courts won't punish HBO, so I thought maybe I could. As punishment, I was going to go download some HBO show illegally. (Pretty much the only way I can punish them.) But that doesn't make any sense, because I don't want anything from HBO. And since I wasn't buying anything from them anyway, it makes no difference at all.

  78. I watch HBO shows for free and legally. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch as many HBO shows as I want for free and completely legally. Showtime too. Also Hollywood movies. Foreign. etc.

    How?

    I get them on DVD or Blue-Ray from the library and its affiliates. Just have to wait a year or two, sometimes less. No biggie. A few things are unavailable, I can live without them. So could you. In fact we could both live without any HBO shows if it came down to that.

    Yes, I pay library taxes, but I would pay those anyway, gladly, because the library system is invaluable to me and society as a whole.

    So no, you have no justification for violating copyright, breaking the law, and yes, effectively stealing.

  79. Hardly a takedown request, and not directed at VLV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A takedown request, really??
    No. What HBO did was a request directed at Google, stating they have to exclude specific url's from search requests.

    What does it mean? It means that of a google user searches for 'vlc torrent' , he/she will not get to see this link:
    http://www.torrentportal.com/details/6093721/VLC-Media-Player-2.0.7-Final-(32-64-bit)-Official.html
    (the link itself will remain unaffected of course)

    Now.. if you look at the complete list, you will see there are a lot more bizarre requests in there. (mature & feet for instance)
    Conclusion: some intern screwed up. That;s all.

  80. If i were google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... i would reject the DMCA notice outright, due to faulty information, and keep doing it until the list turns sensible. That way it doesn't hurt other projects, and would force these companies to pay attention to what they are really asking for. And as far as VLC goes, i would place it as "sacred", since it is a good player, not bogged down with tool bars and ad ware all over the place. It does what it is supposed to, and it does it well.

  81. Irony of ironies by StewBaby2005 · · Score: 1

    Kind of Ironic. I can't even play HBO and MAX videos on my PC any more with whatever they/MS/Adobe did to Flash Player API... And I'm legal to do it! EPIX still works..

  82. VLC reply by Nov8tr · · Score: 0

    VLC ask Google to tell HBO to STFU. Thank you :)

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  83. 3 months and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I get its their IP and they can request what they have, does anyone else find it a bit ironic that this was a mere 3 months ago?

    "Traditionally, studios and networks are very much on the line of 'Downloading is bad, illegal piracy is bad, we do not support this at all.' HBO has been surprisingly polite if not kind about the illegal downloads. You had HBO's programming chief, Michael Lombardo, saying a couple weeks ago that his bigger concern wasn't the people who were downloading, but that by downloading they'd get an inferior product."
    source: http://www.npr.org/2013/04/07/176338400/pirates-steal-game-of-thrones-why-hbo-doesnt-mind

  84. Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    libdvdcss (distributed with VLC in the official distribution) is most likely against the DMCA. So they're right, in a strange backhanded way. Eh, a broken clock's right twice a day.

  85. Inevitable Corporate Abuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give a corporation a fly swatter and it will immediately and inevitably
    start using it as a mace while scheming to convert it into a nuclear
    dirty bomb tool for terrorism.

    It should be no surprise that the world's corporapists have, and will
    inevitably continue, to abuse and corrupt our commonwealth systems of
    law and governance in order to perpetuate the endless expansion of
    their rabid, glutenous greed and lust for monopoly power. Corporations
    are, after all, mandated by design of charter to be raping, murderous
    sociopaths, to be entities that pursue unrestrained profiteering and
    monopoly market control in wanton, blind disregard of any real
    considerations of human conscience, civil society or environmentally
    destructive consequences, Pouring an expanding mountain of raw meat
    into the shark tank of share holders is the singular, all consuming
    function of a capitalist corporation.

    Thus, over the past few decades, the conglomerate corporations have
    co-opted and raped our national democracy and legal system so extremely
    (primarily through unconstitutionally installed and secretive "trade"
    agreements, eg. the DMCA laws) that the U.S. media moguls now claim
    divine right to be judges, juries and executioners who can employ
    terrorist threats that essentially demand a pound of flesh in
    retaliation for petty misdemeanors like viewing unlicensed content
    or unlocking your cell phone software. From what we know of the
    secretive Terrorist Partnership Pandemic (aka the Trans Pacific
    Partnership agreement or TPP) that is now in process of being
    shoved down the throats of the world's citizens by corporate puppet
    governments everywhere (prominently including the rabidly right
    wing concessions known respectively as the U.S. congress and the
    Obama administration) the corporapists are currently trying to
    expand their extremist censorship and fascist agenda into a global
    oligarchy.

    So, as a predictable and expected matter of course, the corporapist
    media conglomerates are now wielding their self made legal meat
    clever like a chain saw hoping to tear apart the free democracy of
    the internet. It is just a matter of course that they would seek
    to viciously and voraciously attack all free, liberated, open source
    software as well. And consistent to chainsaw madness, it is just a
    matter of course that they are trying to take down an open tool like
    the VLC media player application with fraudulent association to
    totally unrelated issues of unlicensed content.

    The overriding fact (and the ultimate denial of our developed world
    privilege) is that capitalist corporations must inherently seek to
    destroy all free markets, all freedom, all consumer choice, all
    forms of democracy and all civil liberty because these are the
    necessities of sustainable, humane economic and social systems
    -- the social structures of foster a healthy immunity to the
    corporate cancer of unbridled avarice. It is every capitalist
    corporation's defined, dictated and inescapable destiny to be a
    suicidally unsustainable sociopath, wrapped in the impossible
    premise of infinite growth from finite resources, the foundational
    myth of capitalist dogma.

    But let us please not condemn or even criticize all those proud
    flagships of industry! It's not their fault, it's just genetically
    integral to their nature. They deserve our pity not our scorn.
    Just look at that ever growing tank of insatiable sharks they
    have to feed, fully aware that these animals will happily
    cannibalizing their own offspring.

    [log entry: Arxion Rose, 2013.07.19]