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Rethinking the Wetsuit

symbolset writes "Apparently Australians have come up with the brilliant idea: if you don't want to be eaten by a shark, it's best to not go swimming in shark-infested waters in a seal costume. 'Scientists from the University of Western Australia, with designers Shark Attack Mitigation Systems (SAMS), have unveiled two new wetsuits that they say could save lives in the water. Based on a breakthrough discovery that sharks are colour-blind, one wetsuit, labelled the "Elude," is designed to camouflage a swimmer or diver in the sea. At the other extreme, the "Diverter" sports bold white and dark-blue stripes, and is intended to mirror nature's warning signs to ward off any potential shark attack.'"

153 comments

  1. That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But when I dive (and I do, often), I want to be seen. That said, I don't dive in shark prone areas.

    1. Re:That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't always dive. But when I do, I eat the sharks.

    2. Re:That's nice by maynard · · Score: 1

      Can't avoid it in parts of AUS. For example, I'm in Perth, WA at the moment and there have been several shark attacks over the last few years that have resulted in killings. But somedays there are crazy waves here and just people come regardless of the history. On average, it's not that dangerous. Still.

      I'm no surfer dude. I'll stick to the patrolled beaches.

    3. Re:That's nice by Razgorov+Prikazka · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey Chuck Norris!

      I never knew that you post under AC here. I always assumed that your username would be root and your UID was -1.

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    4. Re:That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some geek you are, you should know the superuser UID is 0.

    5. Re:That's nice by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 1

      You are likely at more risk on the land is AUS from the flora and fauna than you are swimming in the ocean.

    6. Re:That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chuck Norris' UID is null...and his UID is an identity column with a not null constraint, and when he was born they didn't set identity_insert to off.

    7. Re:That's nice by Drishmung · · Score: 1
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  2. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shark Week starts August 4th this year.

  3. Won't fool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    laser armed sharks.

  4. And they want to patent it by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it looks just like the ship camo the Navy used in WW2, but since it's applied to sharks instead of the Japanese, we deserve a patent!

    1. Re:And they want to patent it by maroberts · · Score: 2

      it looks just like the ship camo the Navy used in WW2, but since it's applied to sharks instead of the Japanese, we deserve a patent!

      Also, both the mixed blues and dazzle pattern were common camouflage patterns in WW2, so it is questionable what can be patented here.

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    2. Re:And they want to patent it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, if "remembering stuff about a previous customer... ON THE INTERNET!!!" can be patented, I'm sure "WWII-era naval disruptive pattern... ON A WETSUIT!!!" is just as good.

    3. Re:And they want to patent it by jkflying · · Score: 1

      Drug companies do this, find a new use for a drug to extend a patent.

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    4. Re:And they want to patent it by godel_56 · · Score: 2

      it looks just like the ship camo the Navy used in WW2, but since it's applied to sharks instead of the Japanese, we deserve a patent!

      Also, both the mixed blues and dazzle pattern were common camouflage patterns in WW2, so it is questionable what can be patented here.

      The stripey pattern is not to prevent the wearer from being seen (and neither was the WWI version, come to that), it's to fool the shark into thinking it's something that tastes bad and is toxic.

    5. Re:And they want to patent it by intermodal · · Score: 2

      The naval camouflage patterns were not meant to make a ship invisible. They were meant to reduce the frequency and effectiveness of attacks upon the ships by making them either less tempting targets by the known challenges of tracking and targeting such a ship or to make the attack itself more difficult by creating a situation where the size, shape, direction, and even orientation of the ship difficult to ascertain. Imagine attempting to track a zig-zagging ship where you couldn't even be certain which end was the bow.

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  5. radical new technology by Moblaster · · Score: 2

    So this is a really safe wet suite. Your entire body becomes invisible, except for your head, which is only about the size of a fish. What could go wrong?

    1. Re:radical new technology by maroberts · · Score: 2

      You could wear a wetsuit with a hood - problem solved....

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    2. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not in Florida.

    3. Re:radical new technology by bmimatt · · Score: 1

      The "solution" to the shark "threat" has been around for a while now, basically a metal armor - google 'shark suits san diego' to see it.

    4. Re:radical new technology by rvw · · Score: 1

      The "solution" to the shark "threat" has been around for a while now, basically a metal armor - google 'shark suits san diego' to see it.

      It has two attack weapons as well.

    5. Re:radical new technology by meerling · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually patterns on wet suits to look unappetizing to sharks was done around 20 or 30 years ago. It was also done for surf boards as well.
      They may not have been these exact designs, but the idea itself isn't new at all.

    6. Re:radical new technology by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      Wearing chainmail is fine when you are scuba diving, it wouldn't be so practical when trying to surf though.

    7. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the idea was to imitate the black and white strip pattern of sea snakes. Someone thought they would scare off the sharks. Problem is: with all the people in the water the actual incidence of shark attacks is so low, there was never enough data to confirm or deny the theory.
      My thinking on this is it is simply a scam to sell wet suits.

    8. Re: radical new technology by budgenator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most predators use a chomp and shake technique, while avoiding puncture wounds is a good thing, having a 14 foot shark shake you like a rag toy is going to spoil your day

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    9. Re: radical new technology by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Especially if you give it a massive tooth ache in the process. Then it just might get really annoyed at you.

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    10. Re:radical new technology by Sqr(twg) · · Score: 1

      Except, you don't invisible. No matter what color your wetsuit is, your body blocks light. From below you look like a dark silhouette against the sky.

      This patent is about making money, not saving lives.

    11. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've been painting the bottoms of combat aircraft sky blue all this time, and you are telling me it doesn't do any good?

    12. Re:radical new technology by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 1

      Take a look at this picture and tell me what you think.

    13. Re: radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, TM's mistake was that his hoodie wasn't white.

    14. Re:radical new technology by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Air doesn't refract the light the way that water does. It also doesn't require a new paint job when you drop down a few meters like the water would.

    15. Re: radical new technology by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Especially if you give it a massive tooth ache in the process. Then it just might get really annoyed at you.

      Sharks are too hardcore to even notice a minor problem like that.

      When you are a shark, teeth are basically belt-fed consumables. Lose one? Multiple rows of failover teeth just waiting to replace it.

    16. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there is another rule, which we found out from the women who fired a warning shot at her abusive ex-husband who was beating her and threatening to kill her. If you are going to fire the gun make sure you kill your attacker, then you get to use stand your ground. if you just try to scare them off you get 20 years for attempted murder.

    17. Re:radical new technology by volmtech · · Score: 3, Informative

      Said woman went outside to her car and retrieved the gun. Stand your ground no longer applied. That being said she was afraid for her children, I believe, and it was her home and she did not try to harm him, just send a message. Common sense is not common in the judicial system.

    18. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Said woman went outside to her car and retrieved the gun."

      As contrasted with getting out of one's car with one's gun to confront the person one finds threatening, I suppose?

    19. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surfboards should be shark magnets. They basically look exactly the same as a leopard seal surfing in a wave, minus the electrical impulses and vibrations muscles produce in the water.

    20. Re: radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you have to watch institutional racism work to understand that it's acceptable. I got it now

      So did you actually watch the trial or not?

    21. Re:radical new technology by TapeCutter · · Score: 1
      there was never enough data to confirm or deny the theory

      I remember watching a documentary about about B&W striped wet suits where the guy got a whole lot of reef sharks into a feeding frenzy and then just jumped in with them, sure enough the sharks scattered out of sight. However they were common reef sharks that are pretty much harmless, I've yet to see it tested with great whites.

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    22. Re: radical new technology by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Sharks generally only bite and shake to rip meat from huge prey such as a whale carcass. A white pointer can literally swallow a man/seal whole.

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    23. Re:radical new technology by Drishmung · · Score: 1

      there was never enough data to confirm or deny the theory

      I remember watching a documentary about about B&W striped wet suits where the guy got a whole lot of reef sharks into a feeding frenzy and then just jumped in with them, sure enough the sharks scattered out of sight. However they were common reef sharks that are pretty much harmless, I've yet to see it tested with great whites.

      Do I detect a new game show here? "Survivor: Great White".

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    24. Re: radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be awesome if we could port those genes to humans. Loose a tooth? Grow a new one! It just needs to be controlled so you aren't constantly growing teeth you don't need.

    25. Re: radical new technology by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Yes, my dog once delivered to me a dead rodent. He had chewed it good, probably breaking every bone in its little body without breaking the skin.

    26. Re: radical new technology by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Like our finger and toe nails?

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    27. Re:radical new technology by gagol · · Score: 1

      "Said woman went outside to her car and had the perfect opportunity to escape and alert the autorities...." That being said, it is easy to be critical of the past from a safe distance and time to think.

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    28. Re:radical new technology by gagol · · Score: 1

      Maybe a crossover of mythbuster and survivor? MythVivors...

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    29. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I saw that documentary too. Turns out the whole idea was a dud. Surfers are attacked by sharks going by silhouettes. Unless your board and suite emits light, a striped pattern isn't going to do didly.

    30. Re:radical new technology by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Unless your board and suite emits light, a striped pattern isn't going to do didly.

      You just gave away your patent!

    31. Re:radical new technology by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      As opposed to "getting out of one's car with a gun to confront a person that he later found threatening, despite being told by 911 to stop doing that shit"?

    32. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to what I've heard, the car was in the garage, which she couldn't open.

    33. Re: radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or meet a blind shark

    34. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sharks will only attack you if you are wet. I have a sacred pact with all Australian animals sea creatures and insects. I will leave you alone if you will leave me alone. It seems to be working very well

    35. Re:radical new technology by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      The best solution to shark attack (not swimming with sharks) has been known for millennia. All the other solutions are second-best solutions for when you find that you have an overwhelmingly good reason to go swimming in shark-rich areas.

      By the way, I dread to think what such a suit does for your energy efficiency while diving. You're going to have a significantly increased work load, and therefore go through your gas considerably faster. And the chain-mail suits that I've seen (on TV) are going to do diddly-squat to mitigate the crush injuries from a bite from a big shark. Even if they do prevent it from tearing lumps off you, the violent agitation which is a hallmark of a shark trying to rip you to pieces (they've not got arms ; they have to tear you apart against your own inertia) is going to mess you up pretty badly. I think that I'd apply some behaviourial analysis and avoild looking like shark food, if I ever found myself with a sufficiently good reason to go swimming (diving) with sharks. Maybe I'd take along some surfers to sacrifice to the Great Finned God.

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    36. Re:radical new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remeber seeing some test done in Auz and they found that yes sharks did not find the white strips appealing, but wait ... the sea snakes did !! they became very interested in the diver with the stripy suit hahaha

    37. Re: radical new technology by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I'm a fan of reactivating the baby tooth pathway. We already have the capability to regrow and replace teeth. It ay just take a little work to use it at will.

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  6. not shark food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely it's an evolutionary advantage to any creature to be marked as 'not shark food'. Why aren't all fish stripey ?

    1. Re:not shark food by rvw · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely it's an evolutionary advantage to any creature to be marked as 'not shark food'. Why aren't all fish stripey ?

      I think it was not hip at the time. You know, some fish just want to live on the edge.

    2. Re:not shark food by DirePickle · · Score: 1

      The first story I saw on this subject talked to a scientist that said one of the most common prey animals for the sharks there is a large striped snake. This could end poorly.

    3. Re:not shark food by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that particular mutation is very rare or requires too many steps for evolution to "kick in" (i.e the intermediate stages won't grant the new offspring any advantages so they won't breed in larger numbers and thus there is no evolutionary advantage).

  7. White and Dark Stripes by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    Because they work so well for Zebras

    1. Re:White and Dark Stripes by Calydor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, they do. How many zebras are eaten by sharks every year, huh?

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    2. Re: White and Dark Stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You insensitive clod, I'm dark with white stripes!

    3. Re:White and Dark Stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever see a shark eat a zebra?

    4. Re:White and Dark Stripes by rvw · · Score: 1

      Ever see a shark eat a zebra?

      How a shark catches a zebra - that would be a nice bedtime story!

    5. Re:White and Dark Stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't there an article discussed here on Slashdot last year about Zebra patterns being unattractive to insects?

    6. Re:White and Dark Stripes by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

      the "Diverter" sports bold white and dark-blue stripes, and is intended to mirror nature's warning signs

      Because only sharks and zebras exist in NATURE am I right?

    7. Re:White and Dark Stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they do. How many zebras are eaten by sharks every year, huh?

      None survive to tell the tale.

    8. Re:White and Dark Stripes by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      None, but that's because I sold them shark-repellent rocks.

    9. Re:White and Dark Stripes by Ambvai · · Score: 1

      A new SyFy original: Sharknado vs Giant Zebra.

    10. Re:White and Dark Stripes by Convector · · Score: 1

      That number has TRIPLED in the last year alone.

    11. Re:White and Dark Stripes by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Zebrasaur.

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  8. Obligatory Monty Python: by Scot+Seese · · Score: 1

    "Duke: Well, our chefs have been experimenting for many years to find a sauce most likely to tempt the crocodile. In the past, we've concentrated on a fish based sauce, but this year, we are reverting to a simple bernaise.

    Loothesom: The British team are worried because Olympic regulations allow only the competitor's heads to be sauced. Gavin Morolowe...

    Morolowe: Yes, well, I mean, (clears throat) you know, four years ago, everyone knew the Italians were coating the insides of their legs with bolinaise, the Russians have been marinating themselves, One of the Germans, Biolek, was caught actually putting, uh, remolarde down his shorts. And the Finns were using tomato flavoured running shoes. Uh, I think there should either be unrestricted garnishing, or a single, Olympic standard mayonnaise."

    In order to create a truly shark repellent suit, designers need to mimic the colors of the shark's most fearsome predator - the mottled reddish-brown paint scheme on the hulls of commercial fishing fleets harvesting the sea for Fillet-O-Fish sandwiches.

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  9. Have they tested it? by mvar · · Score: 1

    And how did they calculate their failure rate? ie "8 out of 10 divers managed to swim unharmed through a pack of sharks..."

    1. Re:Have they tested it? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      And how did they calculate their failure rate? ie "8 out of 10 divers managed to swim unharmed through a pack of sharks..."

      So you take the two that do get attacked, and dress one in the special suit, then send them both out. The suit that comes back is the winner.

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    2. Re:Have they tested it? by Megane · · Score: 1

      In the Secret Agent Diving School, they're not dive buddies, they're dive CHUMS! Remember, you don't have to out-swim the shark, you just have to out-swim the other guy being chased by the shark!

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    3. Re:Have they tested it? by Lotana · · Score: 2

      When I was learning to SCUBA dive, we jokingly been told the following procedure when we spot a large shark:

      "Stab your buddy and swim away".

  10. alcala de henares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ace buen tiempo

  11. Patents by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

    You can see where their mindset is: "We have converted that into patents"...

    Lets save lives, but be damn sure that we get paid for every single one.

    Why is taxpayer-funded scientific research being patented in the first place? I've heard the argument before: Australian taxpayers paid for it, and deserve to profit from it. But what about American taxpayers, British taxpayers, Canadian taxpayers, etc? Is there no taxpayer-funded research done in any of those countries that could be considered a fair trade for Australian discoveries?

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    1. Re:Patents by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Not one problem at all. Initiate a global standard for a particular pattern wet suit, both colour and banding. Have governments around the world place dummies of those suits, that smell like people but are electrified and tainted with a painful but not lethal toxin.

      Place these baits in target zones to be protected. Sharks swim up 'see the suit' bite into it, get a nasty electric shock and a left with a horrid taste. Sharks soon learn to avoid suits of that colour and pattern.

      No patents to be paid and for more effective than let's see how long it takes to realise that people in the patented looks like normal warning colours but is actually tasty suits.

      By defining a set pattern and colour and baiting accordingly, a full range of safety swim wear, rescue suits, kayaks et al can be produced.

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  12. Another advantage by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can point to another advantage of the striped suit.

    As a recreational diver, one occasionally drops a piece of equipment in the water. Bold, striped colors would make it much easier to find something (a fin, say) laying on the bottom.

    And to respond to a previous poster, they covered pots of chum (chopped fish) in the proposed experimental suit to see how sharks would react. The video clearly shows sharks attacking a square-dotted suit while veering away from the striped suit.

    Seems like an innovation discovered by research and experimental method. I have no problem with them having a patent on this.

    1. Re:Another advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they covered pots of chum (chopped fish) in the proposed experimental suit to see how sharks would react. The video clearly shows sharks attacking a square-dotted suit while veering away from the striped suit.

      Sounds great. That is, until the smartest sharks become conditioned to associate striped wetsuits with nice chum-filled snacks.

    2. Re:Another advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One, it's funded by taxpayers. Two, it appears that it already existed more or less decades ago. Three, it's just copying a natural process, and is a very obvious choice.

    3. Re:Another advantage by MasterPatricko · · Score: 1

      I've heard humans taste bad (c.f. animals that take a bite of humans spit us out / don't take another one) and we're probably not very efficient meals compared to fatty seals or muscley fish, so I doubt there is any evolutionary advantage to sharks becoming better human predators.

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    4. Re:Another advantage by Lotana · · Score: 1

      I have heard that the reason for that is that there isn't enough fat in our body tissues. That implies that if you put an obese person into the water, the shark might even come back for a second bite.

    5. Re:Another advantage by willy_me · · Score: 1

      Not all predators.

      Listened to an interview with a "wildlife management officer" in India. He talked about how once a big cat gets a taste of human, nothing else will suffice. The salt content in the blood is what causes the problems. This leads to big cats that prey on humans exclusively - a problem for some. The tell-tale sign is when you have a small village where every month or so, someone goes missing.

    6. Re:Another advantage by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Maybe tigers are just fond of curry.

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  13. some animals fake poison via stripes by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The "bees" common in my area where I grew up were not bees at all, but flies, with no stingers, which had bee stripes. I know they aren't the only animals who have fake "not food" markings.

    1. Re:some animals fake poison via stripes by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know they aren't the only animals who have fake "not food" markings.

      Suburban human teenagers have been known to imitate the aggressive display and dress of alpha male gangsters from the city. This is done chiefly to avoid predation or being asked to take out the trash.

    2. Re:some animals fake poison via stripes by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Suburban human teenagers have been known to...

      Maybe you meant: Subhuman urban teenagers?

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  14. Minimal danger by EdZ · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From TFA:

    We're here on the West Australian coast, which is now the deadliest coast in the world

    Yes, the deadliest coast in the world. 16 attacks (not all fatal) in... a decade. And how many millions swim off the coast every year? Even if you take Australia as a whole, on average the number of people killed by sharks per year is: one
    If you want to avoid being attacked by a shark, I'd like to sell you this tiger^h^h^h^h^h shark repelling rock. It's much cheaper than a brand new wetsuit, and statistically equally as effective!

    1. Re:Minimal danger by Ambvai · · Score: 1

      "This thing is as dangerous as a mosquito."
      "I was worried it was as dangerous as a shark or a lion."
      "But sharks and lions only kill a few people. Mosquitoes kill 2 million people each year."
      "One of us needs our threat level assessment recalibrated, and I don’t know if it’s her or me."

    2. Re:Minimal danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I don't know, *I've* never died from either.

    3. Re:Minimal danger by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, the deadliest coast in the world. 16 attacks (not all fatal) in... a decade. And how many millions swim off the coast every year? Even if you take Australia as a whole, on average the number of people killed by sharks per year is: one

      This is a conditional probability - you need to account for the degree of exposure to see how that overall fatality rate relates to a specific individual. Since shark attacks are exceedingly rare on land, the overall fatality rate is skewed down by the overwhelming number of hours spent on land (which contributes 0 probability of shark attack). This is different from things like mosquitos, where (nearly) everyone is at risk of a mosquito bite all the time. The overall probability of being killed by a shark is

      p = [ (hours on land)*(zero) + (hours on water)*(chance of fatal shark attack) ] / (hours total)

      So say the entire population (including everyone who's landlocked) goes to the beach an average of 2 times a year and spends a total of 30 minutes in the water, and suffers 1 shark fatality per year. But the average surfer goes to the beach 3 times a week and spends 2 hours in the water each time. Then the average fatality rate for surfers is equivalent to 312 fatalities per year for the entire population. In other words, if the entire population spent as much time in the water as surfers do, you'd expect to see 312 shark fatalities per year. (The actual rate is lower since a disproportionate number of hours in the water is contributed by these surfers vs. casual beachgoing swimmers.)

      Same thing happens for police officers, who are frequently criticized for complaining about the dangerous situations they encounter when their overall fatality rate is lower than for construction workers. But construction workers are exposed to their danger 40 hours a week. As best as I could determine, police officers spend only 10% of their time on patrol, and probably only 1% of that time is in what would be considered a dangerous situation (chasing and apprehending a resisting suspect). So whereas construction workers are exposed to a constant level of moderate risk, police officers face a low risk 99.9% of the time, then an incredibly high risk the other 0.1% of the time. .999*(low risk) + .001*(very high risk) = average low risk. But since their overall fatality rate is slightly below construction workers, that means that 0.1% of the time they're facing a risk of death hundreds of times higher than what construction workers face. That's what they're complaining about.

    4. Re:Minimal danger by quantaman · · Score: 2

      From TFA:

      We're here on the West Australian coast, which is now the deadliest coast in the world

      Yes, the deadliest coast in the world. 16 attacks (not all fatal) in... a decade. And how many millions swim off the coast every year? Even if you take Australia as a whole, on average the number of people killed by sharks per year is: one

      If you want to avoid being attacked by a shark, I'd like to sell you this tiger^h^h^h^h^h shark repelling rock. It's much cheaper than a brand new wetsuit, and statistically equally as effective!

      Also from TFA
      The five fatal attacks in WA waters in just under 12 months, which earned the state the unwelcome tag of shark attack capital of the world, prompted the research into the suits more than two years ago.

      You seem to be working from different figures.

      That being said I'd agree that most people overestimate the risk from shark, but they also overestimate the risk of being mauled by a bear. But if I go to an area with a lot of aggressive bears that risk can get a lot higher so it's a really good idea to bring some bear spray, similarly if I'm spending a lot of time surfing in shark infested waters I might not want to look like a seal.

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    5. Re:Minimal danger by genkernel · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

      When used improperly, statistics are a dangerous tool.

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    6. Re:Minimal danger by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      When used improperly, statistics are a dangerous tool.

      One could do statistics on that :-)

    7. Re:Minimal danger by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the deadliest coast in the world. 16 attacks (not all fatal) in... a decade. And how many millions swim off the coast every year?

      Not to mention illegal immigrants boats that sink with all their passengers.

    8. Re:Minimal danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly certain these wetsuits aren't marketed towards your average beach faring family.

      Re-adjust your stats to serious surfers/divers/etc that spend 2-3 hours a day in the ocean, and include not just freak accidents but all encounters (including non-deadly) with sharks - and it just might be worth the money.

    9. Re:Minimal danger by dodobh · · Score: 1

      Yay! Another Freefall fan!

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    10. Re:Minimal danger by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Mosquitoes don't kill people, mosquito transmitted pathogens kill people.

  15. also six species mimic coral snakes by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Another example - six species of non-dangerous snakes mimic the bright stripe pattern of coral snakes.

  16. Electrolocation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When sharks use electromagnetic field changes to detect their prey at close range, I don't know how much they'll care about your stripes anymore.

    1. Re:Electrolocation by maroberts · · Score: 1

      Well combine one of these suits with something with metal strips in to output a high voltage when a shark is nearby and you have a winner - if you can avoid shocking the wearer of the suit, that is.

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  17. Wetsuits by Zedrick · · Score: 1

    Honest question. Why use wetsuits in WA at all? I've lived in Perth, WA, and I can't imagine why anyone would want to put on something extra since it's so damn hot all the time.

    And yes, sharks.... but they are less annoying/dangerous than the local Christians who writes letters to the editor in the local newspaper, explaining why sharks should be exterminated because they're not part of God's plan.

    1. Re:Wetsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno. How cold is the ocean? We vacation in Tampa, Florida every year, where it's "damn hot" most of the year, but by the time we get there the ocean temp is probably 20 - 22 degrees C. Off the coast of Northern California it gets down to 10 - 12 degrees C. The former is far more comfortable in a wetsuit, the latter is a little less uncomfortable in a wetsuit.

    2. Re:Wetsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the local Christians who writes letters to the editor in the local newspaper, explaining why sharks should be exterminated because they're not part of God's plan.

      ...!?

      So... er.. they were unplanned? He got drunk one night, and when He woke up He found sharks swimming around? "How did they get there? Don't remember creating *them*. Oh well, best just leave them. I must have thought there was some reason for doing it."

    3. Re: Wetsuits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While water at the surface may be a reasonably comfortably 20C, the water at 20-40m is significantly colder, and can be quite chilling.

    4. Re:Wetsuits by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Honest question. Why use wetsuits in WA at all? I've lived in Perth, WA, and I can't imagine why anyone would want to put on something extra since it's so damn hot all the time.

      And I was going to answer; are you nuts it's bloody cold.
      WA is the abbreviation for Washington State (U.S.), only going to Google Earth (I really did) to see where in Washington Perth was did I find resolution.

      To a recent post of mine on /. were replies of "only in the U.S. was it true", not the rest of the world as I had implied...sigh...

      And yes, sharks.... but they are less annoying/dangerous than the local Christians who writes letters to the editor in the local newspaper, explaining why sharks should be exterminated because they're not part of God's plan.

      And to think they waste good fish scraps for chum.

  18. Eluding the sharks with a blue wetsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works about as well as holding your breath to turn invisible.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark#Electroreception

  19. When "I am shark food" is attractive by tepples · · Score: 1

    "I am shark food" is more attractive to females who prefer "I want a mate who has proven that he can outrun sharks". It's signaling, just like what a peahen looks for.

    1. Re:When "I am shark food" is attractive by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain that I can out run a shark, they damn animal doesn't even have legs!

    2. Re:When "I am shark food" is attractive by Drishmung · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain that I can out run a shark, they damn animal doesn't even have legs!

      this one did

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    3. Re:When "I am shark food" is attractive by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Running fast won't protect you from a sharknado

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  20. Sharknado! by ulatekh · · Score: 1

    Ever see a shark eat a zebra?

    I can't believe that Sharknado missed that one! Something for the sequel...

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    1. Re:Sharknado! by jimbo · · Score: 1

      It is real?! I thought it was a sick joke. I wonder if it is as good as my fav; Sharktopus.

      Seems Tara Reid is keeping her career going well there..

  21. i will not... by wbr1 · · Score: 2

    ..be signing up for beta testing. No thankee, even with a free ocean cruise and diving thrown in.

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  22. Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is idiotic. Sharks don't hunt with their eyes, they have lateral lines.

    1. Re:Idiocy by stjobe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sharks actually hunt with all their senses:

      Hearing: up to several kilometres.
      Smell: 100+ metres
      Pressure: Up to 100 metres
      Sight: Up to 100 metres
      Electric: Up to 50 centimetres.
      Taste, touch: Direct contact

      But yeah, sharks cover their eyes with the nictitating membrane (or roll their eyes back if they lack a nictitatinig membrane, like the Great White) when they actually bite, so they don't rely on their eyes for the final attack; but before that final attack they do rely on their eyes (as well as their other senses).

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    2. Re:Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otherwise they'd probably not have eyes, or have vestigial ones.

  23. How about ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not going in the water in the first place, problem solved.

  24. All colors are black with back lit by erice · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A surfer paddling on the surface is back lit by the sun. A shadow against the sun is going to appear black no matter what color the suit.

    This isn't a problem for scuba diving. However, shark attacks on scuba divers are quite rare even without special wet suits. Sharks' MO is to watch for seals near the surface and lunge upward to catch them. Scuba divers don't linger on the surface and under water they don't look anything like seals.

    1. Re:All colors are black with back lit by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Simple - LED strips built into the bottom of the board.

    2. Re:All colors are black with back lit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution is simple. Instead of LEDs pointing down, just weave lots of glass fibers (or plastic optical fibers) in the suit, each of which wind around 180 degrees of the suit. If done properly this would wither make the surfer invisible from below (a trick that some deep sea fish use via bioluminiscence) or arrange them in the stripe pattern. to make the pattern more visible and/or disrupt the shape of the surfer.

    3. Re:All colors are black with back lit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you think it'll do when it sees these colours - keep going, or veer off?

      Keep going.

      sharks are colour-blind

      It's the patterns that matter.

  25. typo ?!?! by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    ""We have converted that into patents that we know will hide [wearers] or present wearers as not shark food."
    They won't feed the sharks but it seems feeding the patent trolls is just as bad....

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  26. chain mail and surfing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I know there have been fights in the lineup, and stealing someone's wave is a big no-no, but really, chain mail? Broadswords? A mace? Is that what StandUpPaddle boards are really about? Single combat on the waves?
    What about kevlar and a automatic rifle?

    1. Re:chain mail and surfing? by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      but really, chain mail? What about kevlar?

      Kevlar is an equivalent to cured leather, just made of a more modern fabric. If you go up to high-end ballistic armour, you often see regular scale mail^Warmour -- made of more modern materials, too.

      Chainmail sucks against piercing (including small caliber firearm) damage, but is greatly superior when it comes to cut and tear.

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    2. Re:chain mail and surfing? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Chainmail sucks against piercing (including small caliber firearm) damage, but is greatly superior when it comes to cut and tear.

      ... and it does nothing against the crush- and dislocate- injuries that are commonly part of (Great White) attack patterns.

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  27. They must be good by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    even seals are ordering them

    1. Re:They must be good by Existential+Wombat · · Score: 1

      You'd actually have thought that if it worked seals would have evolved stripes by now

  28. lol. I was thinking I've done that by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I've kind of done that "avoid predation" thing in bad neighborhoods. With my "nobody's going to fuck with me" walk, apparently some people have thought I was a cop. That's okay, as long as they didn't think I was a victim.

  29. 1980s flashback by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    The camo suit looks remarkably like the costume that the late Neal Pozner designed for Aquaman back in the 80s.

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  30. Good sharks do not rely on smell at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... or that their ability to smell is very bad. That suit is going to be hide you very, very well from any shark near.

    Oh, never mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark#Smell

  31. Unless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you're into that sort of thing.

  32. They give you this but you pay for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now one can become safe from sharks, now one has to worry about attacks from orcas thinking that the human in this Not-A-Seal-Costume® is a shark.

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  33. Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!! BEETLEJUICE! by munitor · · Score: 1

    ...says the shark!

  34. Silhouette by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoever came up with this doesn't know much about sharks.

    Most sharks and other carnivorous fish hunt from below, looking upward for their prey's silhouette against the bright and shiny sea surface. Doesn't matter what color your wetsuit is, it's not going to break up your silhouette.

    In fact, the reason prey fish have silvery sides and bellies is to blend in with the shiny sea surface. You could try a reflective websuit, I suppose, but then you'd look even more like a fish.

    1. Re:Silhouette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Whoever came up with this doesn't know much about sharks.

      But they seem to understand marketing.

    2. Re:Silhouette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet In the last 12 months there was a great white attack on a diver underswater less than 50km from this university...

    3. Re:Silhouette by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Wetsuit makers have been diddling around and experimenting with this for a long time, though. I know nothing about the specifics of why and wherefore, but I've been seeing suits with color schemes clearly intended to break the pattern for a long time. Sadly, I've never been atop a surfboard, but I come from Santa Cruz where surfing is something of an obsession for many. As a poor child with nothing to do and no money to do it with, I used to just ride around and go into stores and see what they were up to. O'Neill wetsuits on 41st had a big box of wetsuit scrap that you could rifle through; I imagine they thought I was on a mission for someone else. But what I was really doing was taking any pieces that I could cut good strips out of, then attacking them with scissors and making bracelets which I sold at school for a buck a piece until I was shut down by the faculty for economic activity. But the reason all this is relevant is that it got me into the store, where I could clearly see that many of the suits had big patches of baby blue or reflective silvery stuff around the midsection...

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    4. Re:Silhouette by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Wetsuit makers have been diddling around and experimenting with this for a long time, though. I know nothing about the specifics of why and wherefore, but I've been seeing suits with color schemes clearly intended to break the pattern for a long time. Sadly, I've never been atop a surfboard, but I come from Santa Cruz where surfing is something of an obsession for many. As a poor child with nothing to do and no money to do it with, I used to just ride around and go into stores and see what they were up to. O'Neill wetsuits on 41st had a big box of wetsuit scrap that you could rifle through; I imagine they thought I was on a mission for someone else. But what I was really doing was taking any pieces that I could cut good strips out of, then attacking them with scissors and making bracelets which I sold at school for a buck a piece until I was shut down by the faculty for economic activity. But the reason all this is relevant is that it got me into the store, where I could clearly see that many of the suits had big patches of baby blue or reflective silvery stuff around the midsection...

      The patterns they put on wetsuits haven't really been anti-sharks. In fact, shark attacks on humans are remarkably rare (you're more likely to be struck by lightning).

      The patterns on wetsuits is to accommodate style - for whatever purpose the wetsuit is for. If it's for surfing, well, it's to make the wearer look stylish when surfing and exiting the water. Sort of like how people wear branded clothes and such.

      After all, if you believe the stereotype, people wear wetsuits practically constantly if they even intend to take a dip so they might as well go in looking good.

      By far though, it appears black tends to be the generic color.

  35. Missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought that sharks didn't need colour vision, due to their highly acute sense of smell, and the fact that they are so sensitive to electrical impulses that they can detect your heartbeat through your goddamn skin. This makes them the sea's highly evolved prey-seeking death machines. Visual spectrum camouflage doesn't mean a thing. Highly visible weird looking wetsuits seems to make more sense than that.

  36. I was told of this idea over 30 years ago by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    My diving instructor told me about it.

    I don't know if it works, or not, but it's not a radical new idea.

  37. Knock knock Knock by martinQblank · · Score: 4, Funny

    [Scene: Interior. A New York apartment. There is a knock at the door.]
    Woman: [speaking through closed door] Yes?
    Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Arlsburgerhhh?
    Woman: Who?
    Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Johannesburrrr?
    Woman: Who is it?
    Voice: [pause] Flowers.
    Woman: Flowers for whom?
    Voice: [long pause] Plumber, ma'am.
    Woman: I don't need a plumber. You're that clever shark, aren't you?
    Voice: [pause] Candygram.
    Woman: Candygram, my foot! You get out of here before I call the police! You're the shark, and you know it!
    Voice: Wait. I-I'm only a dolphin, ma'am.
    Woman: A dolphin? Well... Okay. [opens door]
    [Huge latex and foam-rubber shark head lunges through open door, chomps down on woman's head, and drags her out of the apartment, as Jaws attack music plays.]

    Source: wikipedia

  38. Colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Yum Yum Yellow is out?

  39. What ?!? No obligatory xkcd quotes ?!? by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 1

    here, fixed for you.
    It seems that Randall Munroe is obsessed not only with velociraptors, but also with sharks.

  40. and used in WW1 by fantomas · · Score: 1

    And the WW2 dazzle patterns were used by European navies in WW1 before that....

  41. New anti sea snake suit needed.. by mattlamb · · Score: 1

    ok yes sharks hate stripes, but sea snakes love them !! imagine a few dozen of the worlds most poisonous snakes getting amorous with you..

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