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Microsoft Will Have To Rename SkyDrive

SmartAboutThings writes "A month ago, Microsoft was involved in a legal battle in the United Kingdom, when the court found that there was a conflict between Microsoft's SkyDrive and a trademark owned by the British Sky Broadcasting Group (BSkyB). Back then, the UK court ruled that Microsoft was infringing the BSkyB's trademark. And now we have confirmation that Microsoft will be forced to change the SkyDrive brand name. This is quite a big branding issue for Microsoft. What are they going to call it? DriveSky? And chances are that the name change will be worldwide and not only in the United Kingdom."

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  1. FlyDrive would be a better name by jkrise · · Score: 3, Interesting

    or just F-Drive; C and D are your disk drives; E is the USB drive; so F-Drive is the Cloud storage drive letter.

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    1. Re:FlyDrive would be a better name by isama · · Score: 2

      /media/f?

    2. Re:FlyDrive would be a better name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, but on my machine, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, Q, R, S, Y, and Z, are already in use.

      Instead, they should make it A:\ -- and when it goes down for some reason, the error message can be:

      Not ready reading drive A
      Abort, Retry, Fail?

    3. Re:FlyDrive would be a better name by BLToday · · Score: 5, Funny

      How about Drive Eh? For our Canadian friends.

      So it would be:
      Not ready reading drive Eh
      Abort, Retry, Fail?

    4. Re:FlyDrive would be a better name by plopez · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then it conflict with my floppy drive... :)

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    5. Re:FlyDrive would be a better name by HouseOfMisterE · · Score: 2

      If you installed Windows XP on a computer with a build-in (USB) all-in-one card-reader, the Windows drive will default to H instead of C. (tip: unplug the card-reader before installing Windows XP.)
      It's amazing how much software misbehaves when the C drive is an empty card-reader slot. For example exported Autocad profiles are hard-coded to drive letters, so you can't migrate your Autocad settings to/from computers that don't have the /windows/ directory on C.

      You could actually work around the problem if Windows XP was trying to install to a drive letter other than "C". During install you would create the partition (it would be drive letter whatever), immediately delete the partition, and then recreate it. It would recreate as drive "C".

  2. They should call it "BitBucket" by msobkow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Data in, nothing out.

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  3. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    MeTooDrive or Me2Drive. Since Microsoft only copies things that others do at this point, they should just grab the Me2 prefix to replace the G or i from all of Google's and Apple's products.

    1. Re:How about... by Desler · · Score: 5, Informative

      SkyDrive (formerly Windows Live Folders when it came out in August 2007) predates Google Drive by 5 years, Apples iCloud by 4 years and DropBox by a year. So how exactly is it a "me too" service?

    2. Re:How about... by hudsucker · · Score: 2, Informative

      SkyDrive (formerly Windows Live Folders when it came out in August 2007) predates Google Drive by 5 years, Apples iCloud by 4 years and DropBox by a year. So how exactly is it a "me too" service?

      Because Apple first introduced the iDisk in 2000.

      (iDisk was part of iTools, which became .Mac, then MobileMe, and finally iCloud. iDisk was dropped in iCloud, and the iCloud storage is not comparable in functionality.)

    3. Re:How about... by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, much as I might like some Microsoft bashing, I think it's dumb to criticize a technology company for copying others. In science and technology, you're *supposed* to build off of other people's work. Otherwise, you're reinventing the wheel.

      So if you're going to criticize Microsoft for copying others, it only makes sense to me if they make a substandard copy that offers no advantages. Even if it's an equivalent copy to the best thing around, that's still doing a pretty good job.

  4. best marketing name is .... by middlemen · · Score: 5, Funny

    NSADrive !!!!!

  5. What are they going to call it? by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 3, Funny
    Anything without the word Sky in it. So not "DriveSky"

    Synonyms: blast, breath, breeze, draft, heavens, ozone, puff, sky, stratosphere, troposphere, ventilation, waft, whiff, wind, zephyr

    ZephyrDrive, PuffDrive, BreezeDrive

  6. Lack of Due Dilligence, or Hubris? by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2

    This happened before with the XBox name. It is difficult to believe that a company like Microsoft, bolstered by batteries of lawyers with copyright, patent, and trademark expertise, could have pulled such a boneheaded move. Were they playing legal chicken with the Brits, or did they really, truly screw up?

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    1. Re:Lack of Due Dilligence, or Hubris? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because it is not cut and dried. You can't just search for "SkyDrive" and then be safe. "Sky" claims it owns anything that starts with "Sky" in the same way that Microsoft claimed "Windows," and Apple claimed the letter "i"! (though they lost in the end... uh, at least in Australia?)

    2. Re:Lack of Due Dilligence, or Hubris? by steelfood · · Score: 2

      European trademarks have always been a problem for U.S. companies, and vice versa. Except most European companies have the foresight to see if their product violates U.S. trademark before launching it there, and rebrand as necessary.

      U.S. companies instead just go ahead and ram their products through without even looking. Then they wonder why they're getting sued for trademark infringement.

      And on the same topic, Microsoft could name it Ding.

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    3. Re:Lack of Due Dilligence, or Hubris? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      What happened is that they were naive about the Brit's totally bullshit trademark law. Nobody, unless they're a lawyer or have done litigation with Brits in the past, would ever suspect that "SkyDrive" could possibly infringe the trademark of a company which does not sell any product or service called "SkyDrive." The Brits have an asinine law and their people need to kick their government's ass.

      That said, Microsoft does have lawyers, and almost certain has litigated with Brits in the past, so they should have been informed about that country's ridiculous third world banana republic laws and the fact that you can't just do business there. They should have known that any new name must be at least 14 transformative mutations away from any other name, or else it is considered "trademark infringement."

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    4. Re:Lack of Due Dilligence, or Hubris? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      across every single industry.

      Sky Broadband would tend to put them at least in the same basic industry as a cloud storage service.

  7. Easy to fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fixed with one easy change of letter: SpyDrive.

  8. Re:Good to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The arrogance of a big player is punished when deserved.

    Because Sky Broadcasting is such a small timer...

    No arrogance here, just the assumption that people could tell the difference between a media conglomerate with an overreaching opinion of its' self worth and some cloud service.

  9. Re:Good to see by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, obviously, one company should own a trademark on any product containing the work "Sky" in it.

  10. Re:Good to see by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 4, Informative

    Murdoch vs Microsoft, IMHO Murdoch is worse. At least Microsoft isn't actively trying to subvert political processes through media control.

  11. Confusion by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many Microsoft SkyDrive users will be confused by the rename of this product and switch to Dropbox?

    Both.

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  12. Re:Good to see by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    'cept in this case it seems that its simply the word 'Sky' that is supposedly trademarked. Sky Broadcasting does not offer any similar services in any markets, hence they are claiming the word itself. The closest thing they are associated with is that Sky Broadcasting owns a subsidiary company that has a wifi hotspot service. That companies name is The Cloud.

    What the summary doesnt make clear is that Microsoft and BSkyB reached a secret settlement on the matter.

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  13. Not an exact name but close by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    What is interesting is that BSkyB doesn't have a "SkyDrive" product but many products named "Sky" that are in the same product category.

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    1. Re:Not an exact name but close by mrbester · · Score: 3, Funny

      No one in UK apart from a stupid judge and a bunch of opportunistic lawyers confuses Sky from BSkyB with SkyDrive from Microsoft. Perhaps it should change to easyDrive as no one would confuse a cloud service with a car hire company either.

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  14. Call it by a traditional Microsoft name by BLToday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft Cloud Drive Storage Home Edition
    Microsoft Cloud Drive Storage Premium Edition
    Microsoft Cloud Drive Storage Enterprise Edition

  15. Re:Good to see by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Same thing happened with GMail in Germany, and with the iPhone in Brazil. With each country having their own system for registering trademarks, it becomes problematic to come up with a name that doesn't infringe on anybody else's trademark. There really should be a single, global registry for all trademarks, because, with the internet, every business is a global business.

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  16. No by tehlinux · · Score: 2

    >chances are that the name change will be worldwide and not only in the United Kingdom

    I doubt that very much.

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    1. Re: Re:No by dingen · · Score: 2

      A UK court recently ruled that Microsoft's SkyDrive name infringed on a trademark owned by British Sky Broadcasting Group (BSkyB), and the software maker has agreed to change the name of its cloud-based service worldwide as a result. In a settlement issued on Wednesday, BSkyB notes that Microsoft will not appeal the court ruling and that the company will allow Microsoft to continue using the brand "for a reasonable period of time to allow for an orderly transition to a new brand."

      The agreement includes financial and other terms, but neither BSkyB or Microsoft will disclose the details as the agreement is confidential. A Microsoft spokesperson confirmed the name change in a statement to The Verge.

      Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/31/4574878/microsoft-skydrive-name-change-bskyb

      So there you go.

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  17. Sky vs Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft must have realized that arguing "Sky" is a generic word, so is "Windows". That means they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by arguing that Sky (and thus Windows) isn't trademark-able.

  18. Skype by Keruo · · Score: 2

    What about Skype?
    It's old and established name for a product but it's run by Microsoft now, are they forced to rebrand it too?

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  19. Re:Good to see by DutchUncle · · Score: 2

    Just like one company claiming a trademark on any product starting with lower-case "i'.

  20. You gotta be kidding me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why do I see all of the anti-MS posts? Yeah, MS has been a bastard many times, but to be swatted because they dared to use the term "sky" for their product when some other company that doesn't make anything close to the same product also used "sky" in their names is asinine. I'm sure Sky has been used in product names and company names before bskyb. You're an idiot if you think this is just fine.

  21. Seriously? by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm seeing a bit too much anti-Microsoft bias here. If we weren't talking about Microsoft I'm pretty sure we'd all be outraged by that court's decision, especially given the reaction on Slashdot to similar cases in the past.

    Where was Microsoft irresponsible here? Who in their right mind would have thought that SkyDrive infringed on British Sky Broadcasting Group? Does any company or service with "sky" in the name also infringe? What about SkyTrain? Or Delta Sky Miles?

    I fail to see how Microsoft did anything wrong here.

    I've done naming for companies in the past and it can be an excruciating process. I'm pretty sure a company as big as Microsoft isn't cavalier about naming. If my clients are any indication, their own lawyers are a huge pain in the ass for the internet teams to deal with. They're specifically paid to be thorough and attuned to every little risk. I can't imagine how much more difficult it will be now coming up with a new name with the heightened sensitivity to even the remotest of infringement. I certainly wouldn't want to be on that naming team.

    1. Re:Seriously? by excelsior_gr · · Score: 2

      Actually the court decision is in Microsoft's best interest. They were loosing customers due to the name ambiguity.

      Just the other day I got a Win8 laptop and when I saw the SkyDrive I thought: I ain't uploading to no SkyDrive and have those pesky Brits broadcast my stuff all over the place! Get your own goddamn data!

    2. Re:Seriously? by lennier · · Score: 2

      Who in their right mind would have thought that SkyDrive infringed on British Sky Broadcasting Group?

      I dunno, the same people who might think that Apple Computer infringed on Apple Corps when they started selling music?

      Of course Windows doesn't play movies and BSkyB isn't in the business of transmitting information, so there isn't likely to be any conflict between the two services.

      Ever.

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  22. Re:Good to see by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 2

    "Grossly exaggerating" the power of "media barons", think about that for a second. Think about what you just wrote.

  23. Re:Good to see by Dogtanian · · Score: 3
    Microsoft's marketing is a clusterf*** in general. As I posted on another site a year back when they ditched the Windows Live name:-

    This is the same company changed the name of its "passport" service a ludicrous amount of times:-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_account

    "Microsoft Account (previously Microsoft Wallet, Microsoft Passport, .NET Passport, Microsoft Passport Network, and most recently Windows Live ID)"

    I'd have said that MS's stupidly confusing naming is marketing-over-clarity, but *it's not even good marketing!!* I bet the man on the street doesn't have a clue what MS's constantly-changing brands-of-the-week are supposed to mean to him anyway, beyond being a confusing and counter-productive mish-mash of pseudo-terminology.

    The quintessential ironic example of how MS just don't get it was their (then-)latest media-player compatibility scheme called "Plays for Sure" which obviously implied Apple-style "no brainer just works" straightforwardness. They proceeded to totally undermine this by renaming it to tie in with "Certified for Windows Vista" (which also encompassed other schemes) and launched a separate, incompatible DRM/compatibility scheme for their now-defunct Zune range. Does anyone know (or care) what MS's attention-deficit clusterf*** of overlapping brands are supposed to mean?!

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  24. Re:Skynet anyone? by Tarlus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't you mean Sky.NET?

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  25. DriveRT, FTW by marciot · · Score: 2

    They could go with the highly successful WindowsRT campaign and call it "DriveRT"

  26. Re:Good to see by istartedi · · Score: 2

    That fact that a corporation can hijack language and have an artificial monopoly on a word is bullshit to begin with.

    No it isn't. Trade mark is reputation. Without it, you could buy something labeled Coca Cola and get municipal tap water.

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  27. Re:Good to see by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not on BSkyB,

    BSkyB is a shortform for British Sky Broadcasting Group PLC.

    They use "Sky" in branding for all sorts of stuff, notably Sky Broadband and Sky Subscriber Services (which is their TV offering).

    In that context, an internet cloud service calling itself Sky-something sounds like it's part of the Sky services, which it of course isn't. And Microsoft has no real claim on the 'Sky' brand, so they're SOL.

  28. Re:The Cloud by linuxci · · Score: 2

    I hope you knew BSkyB own "The Cloud" too :)

    http://www.thecloud.net/