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Camping Helps Set Circadian Clocks Straight

cold fjord writes "Counsel & Heal reports, 'Many people are stuck in the vicious cycle of late nights and late mornings. However, a new study reveals that a week of camping in the great outdoors may help people set their clocks straight. A new study, published in the journal Current Biology, reveals that if given a chance, our body's internal biological clocks will tightly synchronize to a natural, midsummer light-dark cycle. The study found that a week of exposure to true dawn and dusk with no artificial lights had a significant effect on people who might otherwise describe themselves as night owls. Researchers found that under those conditions, night owls quickly become early birds. "By increasing our exposure to sunlight and reducing our exposure to electrical lighting at night, we can turn our internal clock and sleep times back and likely make it easier to awaken and be alert in the morning," Kenneth Wright of the University of Colorado Boulder said in a news release.'"

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  1. Why fix what ain't broken by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You call naturally awakening early "straight", I call it pagan witchcraft. I'm fine with staying up late thanks.

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    1. Re:Why fix what ain't broken by Cryacin · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, become unemployed, miss mortgage payments and steal a tent. Sleeping issue solved!

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    2. Re:Why fix what ain't broken by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      also.. try doing this in Finland. in the summer or in the winter. natural clock..

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    3. Re:Why fix what ain't broken by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh, but it is .

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    4. Re:Why fix what ain't broken by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ok, cool, so camping helps circadian rhythms and the human health and all. What about teamkilling?

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    5. Re:Why fix what ain't broken by Yaotzin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I usually hike through Swedish Lapland once a year in summer. Even though night is like 2-3 hours, it does feel like it's easier to rise earlier in the morning when I get back. Although it only lasts for like a week or maybe two.

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    6. Re:Why fix what ain't broken by RulerOf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok, cool, so camping helps circadian rhythms and the human health and all. What about teamkilling?

      Camping shifts the circadian-health median of the entire team toward an objectively "better" state. It can be said that camping raises the overall health and quality of life for everyone.

      Teamkilling on the other hand is a zero-sum game. The troll's erection grows proportionally to everyone else's level of discontent, with total hardness tipping the very edges of the Mohs scale when the voice chat explodes in rage.

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    7. Re: Why fix what ain't broken by peragrin · · Score: 2

      I spent 5 days at sea recently. I was up from sunrise to sunset (almost 18 hours a day)everyday.

      I felt more rested (5hours apart)while doing that than when I get 8 hours every night. Of course the first thing I did when I got back to shore was sleep for 10 hours, eat talk with people for an hour or so and then sleep for another 4 hours.

      So maybe circadian rhythm isn't what it is cracked up to be.

      Oh I am a normal early to rise early to bed type normally

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    8. Re:Why fix what ain't broken by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So let go of the Puritan work ethic - just because you wake up early doesn't mean you have to go to work right away - I can't remember the last time I didn't spend an hour or three enjoying a leisurely morning or working on my own projects before going to work.

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  2. Try having a child by ControlFreal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It does the same thing, for years on end, without having to take vacation days. The funny thing is that you do actually get used to it; I was a night owl, but not anymore. Now, if I do sleep in, I actually wake up with a headache.

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    1. Re:Try having a child by _merlin · · Score: 2

      Didn't work for me - he inherited my non-sleeping ways!

    2. Re:Try having a child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It does the same thing, for years on end, without having to take vacation days. The funny thing is that you do actually get used to it; I was a night owl, but not anymore. Now, if I do sleep in, I actually wake up with a headache.

      Get yourself checked out at a sleep clinic for sleep apnea. I'm not kidding, nor trolling. I have the condition myself. You're MUCH better off to get treated early than end up nearly losing your job or killing yourself driving because you can't stay awake anymore. Perhaps you don't have it. But the kind of headache you describe should have been an early warning sign for me, had I known what to look for.

      Hope you're healthy.

    3. Re:Try having a child by c · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Get several cats. Vocal ones, like Siamese, work best.

      Feed them once a day, in the morning.

      In about six months, you'll be getting up at 5am to feed them.

      Dogs can be effective as well, depending on the breed and age. A young lab or border collie is good. An older hound, not so much.

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    4. Re:Try having a child by zmooc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your sleep in headache may very well be related to mild dehydration. You'd probably do better if you drank a tad more before going to sleep.

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    5. Re:Try having a child by jaseuk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or caffeine withdrawal.

    6. Re:Try having a child by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Funny

      Try having a child ... The funny thing is that you do actually get used to it; I was a night owl, but not anymore.

      I got used to it (and it amuses my old friends that I get up early) but I never really stopped being a night owl. Give me a chance, and I switch to my night owl schedule in a day.

      Being awake when the sun is out is unnatural. I understand that sunlight is necessary for green plants, but I'm not a green plant.

    7. Re:Try having a child by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It does the same thing, for years on end, without having to take vacation days. The funny thing is that you do actually get used to it; I was a night owl, but not anymore. Now, if I do sleep in, I actually wake up with a headache.

      Of course, this doesn't work for everyone. Like any definition of "normal" it fails to notice that variation in the population may be an evolutionary strategy with benefits to the whole, while perhaps sub-optimal for the individual. Or that there's simply not sufficient selection pressure for homogenization. Or even that certain 'mutations' confer an evolutionary advantage (though most result in death or disability, true enough!).

      In this case, having the occasional night owl might be useful to a tribe to keep watch for predators, who often hunt at night. Having them nodding off because they're not really night owls while everyone else sleeps wouldn't just affect the individual's reproductive success... but the entire tribe's.

      In other news, being a night owl is a bona fide medical condition with a genetic basis and high comorbidity with certain other disorders. And as we gain better understanding, we're finding a significant fraction of the population isn't just a "lifestyle change" away from a cure. The only reason it's classified as a disorder is because of society's narrow views on what is normal and useful; Not because it's unnatural or needs to be "fixed". For some things, it's society that needs to adapt, not the individual.

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    8. Re:Try having a child by camperdave · · Score: 2

      In about six months, you'll be getting up at 5am to feed them.

      In about six months I'd be letting them outside and shutting the door. Or if I had actually gotten attached to the beasts, I'd be looking for a robo-feeder.

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    9. Re:Try having a child by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here's what my dogs have to say about being on the wrong side of the door at breakfast-time: Bark-bark-bark-bark-bark-bark-bark-bark-bark bark-bark-bark-bark-bark-bark arf-bark, scritch-scratch, bark-bark-bark- ...

      Of course, that's pretty much the same thing they say when they're on the right side of the door, too. Can't blame them. It's breakfast time, after all.

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    10. Re:Try having a child by RulerOf · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...or drank a tad less.

      Woah, woah, slow down there. We don't want to be too hasty.

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    11. Re:Try having a child by voidptr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Talk about the cure being worse than the disease.

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  3. Surprise by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone who has been camping should have experienced this. It's really nice to be in sync with the day again, makes one happy. With computers (blue lights destroys Melatonin and thus makes you less sleepy), days last longer and longer.

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    1. Re:Surprise by jones_supa · · Score: 5, Informative

      With computers (blue lights destroys Melatonin and thus makes you less sleepy), days last longer and longer.

      There's a neat program called f.lux which smoothly cranks down your display's color temperature when the night comes. I'm not sure if it makes any big difference in terms of melatonin production, but it can create a bit more relaxing atmosphere to the evenings. Suits also yellowish indoor lighting.

    2. Re:Surprise by RoboJ1M · · Score: 2

      Are you suggesting that the high temperature full spectrum lighting throughout my white walled house might not have been such a hot idea?!?! 8@

      Actually they're there for S.A.D and I've just not bothered getting round to putting in some regular incandescent lighting for after bedtime.... .

      However they're really isn't anything like a light you feel you can get a tan off in the bathroom to wake you up in the morning.

    3. Re:Surprise by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Debian/Ubuntu/etc users could easily install the 'redshift' package: http://jonls.dk/redshift/

      If it helps, my config file at ~/.config/redshift.conf is:

      ; Global settings
      [redshift]
      temp-day=6400
      temp-night=3900
      location-provider=manual

      ; The location provider and adjustment method settings
      ; are in their own sections.
      [manual]
      lat=51.5
      lon=-0.1

      (Also, I'm disappointed to see "f.lux is patent pending" at the bottom of their page.)

      On Android, I have added a "Night Mode" button. I think this is only possible with Cyanogenmod, and it's an on-off change, rather than the gradual change done with f.lux or redshift.

    4. Re:Surprise by greggman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm calling BS. Which day are we talking about? A day at the equator? A day at the North Pole in summer? The length of sunlight varies all over the planet so it seems bs to claim that one specific daylight / night duration is special

    5. Re:Surprise by xaxa · · Score: 2

      Thank you, I did not know that one could create a config file for redshift. I've been starting with a shell script for my day/night parameters. Tell me, is a positive longitude east or west? I assume that positive latitude is north.

      A positive longitude is east of Greenwich, a negative one West.

      My -0.1 is roughly the centre of London. The astronomical observatory at Greenwich was built on a hill to the south-east of the City of London, away from the fog and smoke.

    6. Re:Surprise by CensorshipDonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I want to second f.lux. This program is AWESOME. During the day it reduces eye strain from 6-8 hrs of monitor use by just softening the display, and at night I find it a lot easier to fall asleep after exposure to the warm tint and suppressed blues.

  4. I wonder if this works in Northern Lattitudes by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    I wonder if this works in Northern Latitudes, and if so at what time of year.

    1. Re:I wonder if this works in Northern Lattitudes by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know what you consider "northern", but the two times I've spent a week on Isle Royale (48N) in July, I switched pretty quickly and easily to sleeping on a natural day/night schedule.

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  5. Choose your campsite wisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is certainly some merit to this research. However, be careful where you go camping. After my recent two-week camping trip to Iceland, my internal clocks are set to this insane there-is-no-night-and-your-are-never-gonna-sleep-again mode. It's been two weeks since I got back and still can't get enough sleep.

  6. Made the same experience by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When hiking through Europe ( I once walked from Amsterdam to Rome ), it was the same for me: as long as I slept outside, in a tent, I would wake up with sunrise and get sleepy shortly after sunset. As soon as I would begin sleeping in hotels, monasteries etc. etc., I would turn into a night-owl again...

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  7. Is camping necessary? by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not just open the blinds before bedtime and turn off the lights progressively at night... or whatever the magic is... that does this?

    I assume most whacked out rythms are just either from work schedules or start from bad self-discipline keeping on watching TV or hanging on the computer way past tired. In the latter situation, with smartphones, that means not even most accessible camping is going to help.

    1. Re:Is camping necessary? by mjr167 · · Score: 2

      Why not just open the blinds before bedtime

      But then you can't sleep naked...

  8. Shame by EzInKy · · Score: 2

    I love camping, but having worked nightshift for the last 30 years and most likely will do the same for the rest of my carreer, this explains why I feel so out of sorts whenever I go.

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  9. Re:Turn off the god damn sun so I can get some sle by hurwak-feg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Call it bullshit, but even things that you consider innate should still be held to the standard of peer review publishing. Remember, it was once innate that the earth is flat. People studying "scratch, itch, or not blink" and not too long ago smoking figure out things about health effects of all sorts of things that are innately harmless because there is no immediate affect. Asbestos, lead, and smoking come to mind.

    Attacking science, no matter what popular opinion of it is, is dangerous. You didn't die of some terrible disease because scientists figured out vaccines. Engineers using what scientists figured out about electricity, magnetism, and mathematics built the computer you are using to read about this "bullshit". We already have enough anti-intellectualism in this world. There are morons in congress (and people who vote for them) that want to take a religious, "common sense", or tough guy approach to problems even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

    Considering sleep quality and quantity is vital to a persons mental and physical health, sleep research is important. There might be some people reading this that have never lived in a rural area and have never been camping that might just have sleep problems that could benefit from this.

  10. Re:but... by hurwak-feg · · Score: 2

    Solar panel/automotive power inverter and satellite internet.

  11. Normal sleep cycle???? by Jeepster77 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I worked 7am-3pm for 2 months, 3 years ago. Other than that, either 11pm-7am or 7pm-3am, or random hours on call, for the last 24 years. I get all messed up on vacation or out of work for some reason. Normal circadian rhythms do not exist in my world, since when I was working on call I lived a 20 hour day for most of the week... work 8, off 12, work 8 off 12. I'm still amazed that only a very few of my co-workers have died from falling asleep behind the wheel before, during, or after work. The days of working during the day and sleeping at night are long gone.

  12. In related news by korbulon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Studies show that me picking a fight with, oh, just about anyone, will get my clock cleaned, a hunderd percent guarantee.

    And who doesn't love a clean clock?

  13. "real owl"; never worked for me by dltaylor · · Score: 2

    I've been tested to have a natural 3AM - 11AM (standard time) sleep cycle. I've done quite a bit of camping, for week+ periods, and it never changed that cycle. I'd still be up 'til well past midnight and totally ass-dragging 'til lunch. Saw a LOT of stars in the woods, desert, shore, though.

    I doubt that they had real biological (genetic alleles) in that test, or true larks, for that matter.

  14. Well, either that or... by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    ... sleeping on the ground outdoors isn't really comfortable.

  15. Re: Not surprising but shitty interpretation as us by ozydingo · · Score: 2

    You're really going to claim that your personal anecdotes trump the scientific method? Did you read the paper and find specific fault with their methods? Maybe your tent just sucks.

  16. Re:Not surprising but shitty interpretation as usu by HJED · · Score: 2

    That really depends where you are camping and the quality of your tents, I find that I wake up closer to sunrise and feel tried closer to sunset when camping irrelevant of the time of year (including winter in reasonably cold conditions where it is far more comfortable in the tent).
    Also I am sure they actually measured the melatonin levels.

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  17. Re:Then three days later, it's back to normal by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    I use a dawn simulator for a morning "alarm" instead of a regular alarm clock. It doesn't keep me from staying up late, but it does make keeping an good morning rhythm easy in the winter when the sun comes up much later.

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  18. Travel by jabberw0k · · Score: 3, Funny

    Visit Montreal or Toronto if you need to reset your Canadian rhythms. Vancouver, even.

  19. Nonsense by b4upoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unless you camp like a sissy with lots of fancy equipment nature won't help you a bit in South Florida. First the heat will kill you. The insects will drive you mad as a March hatter. You will be miserable. Snakes, alligators and human psychopaths are more than a tiny issue and to make it worse we have wild boar that will kill you in the blink of an eye. One long weekend in our natural environment and you'll drop on the first air conditioned concrete slab you come to and sleep like a rock. You will feel like a victim of torture and may never be the same again for your entire life. You will most likely gain religion as much of your camping experience will be spent begging Jesus for the misery to let up.

    1. Re:Nonsense by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Florida is not fit for human occupation. For one, it is full of Republicans.

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  20. Controls for exhaustion and boredom? by PPalmgren · · Score: 2

    While I think there's likely some truth in the studies' conclusion, I don't think it controls for the environmental changes and attributes it all to avoiding unnatural light, and I don't think this is necessarily an accurate assessment.

    One of the things that happens when you camp and hike is that you eat less and burn more calories. One of the things that keeps us up is our high calorie diets coupled with our sedentary lifestyles, causing our bodies to burn off excess calories through stupid things like nervous twitches. You can see the same circadian fix as the one the study proposes by working out for an hour and a half a day or doing heavy physical labor.

    Couple that with how much easier it is to sleep when you're bored, and the fact that there's not much you can do in the woods at night compared to day, and you get a natural gravitation towards sleeping during the dark hours of the day. Hiking may regulate our sleep, but I think there's more factors here at play.

  21. Re:Turn off the god damn sun so I can get some sle by hankwang · · Score: 2
    Although I agree with your general message, I think you picked bad examples:

    ... it was once innate that the earth is flat. People studying "scratch, itch, or not blink" and not too long ago smoking ...

    The concept of a flat earth was never "innate", at least in Western cultures over the past 2200 years.

    According to the wiki, as early as 1604, smoking was considered unhealthy, which is pretty soon given that tobacco became known after the discovery of America. Only the tobacco industry was actively trying to play down the risks of smoking.

  22. So what by rossdee · · Score: 3, Funny

    I work night shift You insensitive clods!

  23. Temp and sounds plays a role by shuz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find that even without light, sound and temp also helps regulate sleep. In the spring/summer/fall when nights are 50-68F (10-20c) I open windows at night. I find that both the coolness of the morning combined with birds chirping, and to a lesser extent people leaving for work constantly, help me to feel more alert when waking up regardless of when I went to sleep.

    That said with out any kind of alarm and in a controlled environment with zero stimuli, I'll sleep almost exactly 8 hours.

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  24. I do this to reset my kids "summer schedule" by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've used 2-3 day backpacking trips to reset my clock for years. Typically, after moving for 10-15 miles in a day under the sun with 25-50lbs on my pack and then making camp, I'm ready for bed at sundown anyway. I actually have to force myself to stay up til 9 or 10pm. For the last few years, though, I've used this to reset my kids summer schedules. Typically by mid-August they're going to bed at 2-3am and getting up around 12-1pm each day. So the last week of summer for the last 3 years we've gone camping. Nothing special no grueling backpacking trips. Just camping at a campsite with tents and a fire and day hikes, etc. After a week of this they're on a sun-up to sun-down sleep schedule and ready for the new school year.

    1. Re:I do this to reset my kids "summer schedule" by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right. There's nothing better than throwing on a backpack and heading out into the woods to escape the pressure cooker of the office.

      Oh crap! Now I'm really screwed!

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