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The Case of the Orca That Killed Its Trainer

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homicidal killer whale, who killed his first trainer, 20-year-old Keltie Byrne in 1991. Then in July 6, 1999, a 27-year-old man who stayed after the park closed and evaded security to enter the orca tank was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off. Tilikum's most recent victim was Dawn Brancheau, the SeaWorld trainer he crushed, dismembered, and partially swallowed in 2010. 'Almost all students of orca believe that they are deranged by captivity, some more than others. Tilikum's record puts him at one end of a continuum. There have been dozens of attacks on trainers by an assortment of orcas in the marine parks around the world. [The movie] "Blackfish" shows video from several of these episodes at SeaWorld,' writes Brower. 'What is remarkable about Orcinus orca in marine parks is not these rare episodes. What is remarkable is their monumental forbearance.' For its part SeaWorld is attempting to cast the filmmakers as the true villains, characterizing them as anti-captivity zealots. The company says '"Blackfish" is inaccurate and misleading and, regrettably, exploits a tragedy that remains a source of deep pain for Dawn Brancheau's family, friends and colleagues.'"

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  1. Disney movie by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Funny

    Willy eat me.

    1. Re:Disney movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Willy eat me.

      Come on. Why not just "Feed Willy"?

    2. Re:Disney movie by davester666 · · Score: 2

      That's the last time he'll ever say "Bite Me!"

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  2. Started under Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just want to point out that though these killings continue today, they were started while George Bush Sr. was in office.

    1. Re:Started under Bush by mcarp · · Score: 2

      That's odd. I seem to get mod points every time I post a reply to anything. This. Admittedly, I probably post once a year.

  3. Almost all students of orca believe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, I do believe it is entirely plausible that captivity is a negative thing for sea mammals.

    However, statements like "almost all students of orca believe" are not helping make their point. I assume they found all the "students of orca" (what does that even mean? Do you sit in a classroom with an orca at the board?) and polled them at a scientific level? Even if they did, what does "almost all" mean?'

    Let's have numbers here. Opinions of experts. Show your work. Until or unless you do, I'm going to dismiss that statement as really meaning "I believe this and some other people I know also do," which isn't close to a consensus.

    There is way too much crap like this in "journalism" these days, and I'm calling it out when I see it.

    1. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by reve_etrange · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Number of attacks on humans by Orcas not in captivity: 1 documented.

      Number of attacks on humans by Orcas in captivity: > 27 documented (3 fatal).

      Killer whale attacks on humans

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    2. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by reve_etrange · · Score: 5, Informative

      Missed a closing tag.

      Killer whale attacks on humans

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    3. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by cheater512 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mind you if you divide the attacks by the number of people in close contact with Orcas in both situation, the wild Orcas would look like human eating machines.

      The number of people with the opportunity to come within 100 meters of a wild Orca would be extremely small, let alone within biting range.

    4. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by peragrin · · Score: 4, Funny

      you forgot

      Killer Whalenado. the dumb busty blond gets eaten first.

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    5. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      Some of the attacks in captivity look likely to have been provoked by the humans as well, which is something less likely to happen in the wild.

      I can't tell you for sure what happened here, but it sure doesn't sound like the orca initiated it:

      in July 6, 1999, a 27-year-old man who stayed after the park closed and evaded security to enter the orca tank was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off

      Why was he nude? Why specifically his genitals bitten off? My guess is that it was not a case of sexual assault by an orca that stripped him.

    6. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2

      Given that humans routinely swim in close proximity with captive Orcas multiple times a day, not to mention ride on their back and stick their head in Orcas mouth for a show, while any human contact with wild Orcas is extremely rare, I agree with your point that Orcas not in captivity are statistically far more dangerous.

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    7. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      any human contact with wild Orcas is extremely rare,
      Not to mention the chances of anybody making it back to complain of a wild Orca attach is pretty low.

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    8. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not really. People kayak around them all of the time. If they were particularly aggressive, we would know about it. Sea Lions are more obnoxious. Not that I would go out and try and pet one, but I've been within 50 yards of them before. It does get the heart going - the could crunch the kayak or small boat and find the chewy nugget inside but they don't seem to care one way or the other.

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    9. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by runeghost · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go read the first linked article. Then read the years worth of articles on the subject by the author, filled with the references you claim to want. This is exactly what good journalism is - that you can't understand that because you're unwilling or unable to do a modicum reading doesn't give your dismissal any validity.

    10. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Not in my county. Around her, the law says that nothing gets done after the first attack other than recording the attack. After the second attack, the animal get registered as a "dangerous animal" and the owner is required to actually keep their dog under control with a kennel. I don't know how many times a dog must attack a human before it gets put down around here, but it is definitely more than twice.

    11. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      If they attack/kill a human in the ocean, who's gonna document them?

      The other humans at the scene maybe? A single human alone in the ocean is not as common as you seem to think.

      Orca's hunt in packs, and coordinate their attacks. So they might communicate to organize an attack on a group of humans. Here is a video of a pod of orcas executing a very organized training session to teach the juveniles orcas how to isolate and kill a crabeater seal on the pack ice. It is hard for me to believe that they could do this without some sort of high level communication. They are very intelligent animals.

    12. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Funny

      John Whale Gacy?

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    13. Re: Almost all students of orca believe... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oracs are not whales, they normally hunt whales and ignore humans. Orcas will even work with humans to catch whales. No, not just scavanging around during a hunt like a shark does, but actively herding the whales into twofold bay, alerting and directing whalers to the prey, assisting with the kill, and fending of sharks should one of boats be capsised.

      The Orcas only ate the tounge of the humpbacks, the rest they left for the humans. I've been to the small museam in Eden several times over the years, it's fantastic, one of the best in Australia IMHO. It's main drawcard is the skeleton of "Old Tom" on display, several of his front teeth are missing due to being worn through by the harpoon rope, one tooth still in place has a large grove in it from gripping the rope.

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    14. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by davester666 · · Score: 2

      God, it's already scheduled to air on Friday at 9 PM on SyFy.

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    15. Re: Almost all students of orca believe... by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 4, Informative

      Orcas are members of the dolphin family (delphinidae) of toothed whales (odontoceti), which means they belong to the order of whales (cetacea). I.e. orcas most definitely are whales. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcinus_orca).

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    16. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Why was he nude? Why specifically his genitals bitten off?"

      Think of it as evolution in action.

    17. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by Xest · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The number of people with the opportunity to come within 100 meters of a wild Orca would be extremely small, let alone within biting range."

      Rubbish. I swam with them in the fjords of Norway. I was one of many tens of thousands of tourists that do this every year.

      This is far more people than swim with them in captivity that only includes trainers and authorised personnel.

      You're jumping to a conclusion based on a theory you've simply made up but that is false. If anything your point acts counter to the conclusion you've come to - I'd wager given the size of the tourist industry that far more people encounter them in the wild with far less experience of the animals than the experienced people who get injured and killed by them in captivity. If the threat was equivalent in the wild to how it is in captivity then tourists wouldn't even be allowed to swim with them because it'd almost certainly be deemed too dangerous, but that's not the case.

    18. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2

      Darwin was just making sure :)

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    19. Re: Almost all students of orca believe... by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This isn't really at all true. Orcas are whales, that particular suggestion otherwise is completely false.

      But regarding feeding habits, they vary greatly in this species, some groupings dine entirely on smaller fish and hunt in packs to circle them, herd them up, and eat them, whilst others, particularly those in the Antarctic are solo hunters and hunt larger prey like seals and penguins. I believe Orcas off the coast of California work together differently again to attack calves of larger (Grey IIRC?) whales.

      Whilst the example you give is a local population it cannot be extrapolated to the species as a whole which has very distinct populations with very distinct traits.

      They're a versatile species with differing and complex feeding habits depending on where they live so it's not something that can be trivially generalised as to the habits.

      If anything I'd wager this scenario as in TFA is an example of killer whales adapting their habits to another new habitat we've created for them - the artificial living area in which they're dependent on us for food and entertainment and if we can't fulfil that then it's not surprising they've decided to use us as food/entertainment.

    20. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      Why was he nude?

      That orca had a pretty blowhole.

    21. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by graphius · · Score: 2

      ...y human contact with wild Orcas is extremely rare...

      There is an entire whale (orca) watching tourist sector here in the Pacific Nothwest to GUARANTEE you will spot some orcas. Granted you will not be swimming with them, but there are many companies with multiple trips daily. This doesn't include private boats or kayaks. Many people, including scientists, say the wild orcas have a real sense of curiosity, and will come up to the boats to see what is going on. If they really were that aggressive, it would be too easy for them to grab a snack or two.

    22. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by Immerman · · Score: 3, Informative

      >any human contact with wild Orcas is extremely rare

      Not at all, there are many places where tourists swim with Orcas just as they do with other dolphins. Someone a little way up pointed out that thousands of tourists in Norway do so every year. So on one side - trained professionals w/captive orcas - many attacks. Ignorant tourists with wild orcas - not so much.

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    23. Re:Almost all students of orca believe... by samwichse · · Score: 2

      They're shooting Tomorrow and Wednesday.

      SFX will be added Thursday.

      Editing... if they have time Friday morning?

    24. Re: Almost all students of orca believe... by Smurf · · Score: 2

      Orcas are members of the dolphin family (delphinidae) of toothed whales (odontoceti), which means they belong to the order of whales (cetacea). I.e. orcas most definitely are whales. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcinus_orca).

      If you are willing to state that all dolphins (including orcas) and porpoises are whales, then you are 100% correct and some zoologists will agree with you.

      But other zoologists will claim that whales, porpoises, and dolphins are three clearly distinct suborders of Cetacea, and thus dolphins (including orcas) cannot be whales.

      I'm not a zoologist so, as long as you acknowledge that orcas are dolphins, I don't give a $#+ whether you call them whales o not.

    25. Re: Almost all students of orca believe... by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 2

      Cetacea is the order of *whales*. "Cetacea" derives from the greek for whale! So if porpoises and dolphins are cetacea, they are whales.

      There are 2 branches within the order of whales, the toothed whales and the baleen whales. Toothed whales include porpoises, dolphins, etc. The baleen whales are the filter feeders, with baleen combs instead of teeth, such as the right whale, blue whale, humpback, etc.

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  4. "Killer whale" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The name says it all, really. Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.

    The way the species has been rebranded as a "dolphin" is one of the triumphs of marketing over reality. They're whales, and they're killers. Get in a tank with one at your own risk.

    1. Re:"Killer whale" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not to mention they are rather sadistic in their treatment of their prey in the wild.

    2. Re:"Killer whale" by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plus, 'Sea World' is pretty much a life term in Supermax, except with more gawkers, for something of the size (not well proportioned to live in a swimming pool) and intelligence (relatively high) of a killer whale.

      If you are a lifer anyway, and the guard is dumb enough to come into your cell, why not shiv him just on principle?

    3. Re:"Killer whale" by NIK282000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More so now that it knows that it's situation does not change when it attacks people. They aren't stupid animals and this one figured it out quick.

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    4. Re:"Killer whale" by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      Plus, 'Sea World' is pretty much a life term in Supermax, except with more gawkers, for something of the size (not well proportioned to live in a swimming pool) and intelligence (relatively high) of a killer whale.

      And the gawkers have less intelligence than their usual diet...

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    5. Re:"Killer whale" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The name says it all, really. Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.

      The way the species has been rebranded as a "dolphin" is one of the triumphs of marketing over reality. They're whales, and they're killers. Get in a tank with one at your own risk.

      Oh fuck you're so wrong. Shut up, quit spouting incorrect drivel, and grow a brain.

      They ARE dolphins, and not true whales:

      The killer whale is one of 35 species in the oceanic dolphin family, which first appeared about 11 million years ago. The killer whale lineage probably branched off shortly thereafter. Although it has morphological similarities with the pygmy killer whale, the false killer whale and the pilot whales, a study of cytochrome b gene sequences by Richard LeDuc indicated that its closest extant relatives are the snubfin dolphins of the genus Orcaella.

    6. Re:"Killer whale" by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2

      They aren't stupid animals and this one figured it out quick.

      1991, 1999, 2010. One attack every decade is "quick"?

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    7. Re:"Killer whale" by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The way the species has been rebranded as a "dolphin" is one of the triumphs of marketing over reality.

      "Rebranded"? Orcas belong to the family Delphinidae, the oceanic dolphins. They're commonly referred to as "whales" but that's not technically accurate. But hey, don't let science get in the way of your little speech about "marketing."

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    8. Re:"Killer whale" by mooingyak · · Score: 5, Funny

      Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.

      No, seals definitely taste better.

      Says someone who clearly doesn't know how to properly prepare human.

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    9. Re:"Killer whale" by NIK282000 · · Score: 2

      Can you think of any people who have killed once a decade, been in the news for it and not been punished? They probably stopped doing shows for a while but that's not really a negative change for the whale, just a change that it would notice.

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    10. Re:"Killer whale" by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Funny

      So given what Tilikum did to that guy who snuck into his tank, I'm guessing he'd taste like sausage.

    11. Re:"Killer whale" by leereyno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So they're Killer Dolphins then.

      You can call them Killer Butterflies if you want. The point is, they're PREDATORS. You can train them, but you can't tame them. Sooner or later, they're gonna decide you look better than the fishes you're tossing at them, and have themselves a little snack.

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    12. Re:"Killer whale" by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 2

      Orcas are delphinidae, which *are* a part of the cetacean order. So they are very much technically whales, and it is quite correct to call them that.

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    13. Re:"Killer whale" by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      I think the previous poster's point was figurative, not literal; they were saying that it's been rebranded as "dolphin" (ala 'fun, playful sea creature that does tricks for humans') as opposed to the murderous-sounding 'killer whale'. For people - who are roughly the same size/shape of the orcas' main prey animals - to get into a tank with them is either insanity or a staggering level of naivete.

      So aside from your pedantry, their point was correct: that they are top-tier predators who probably haven't "humanistic" sensibilities about killing another living creature.*

      *there are giant swathes of humanity that likewise don't have such sensibilities, and to be absolutely honest, dolphins aren't necessarily the charming, lovable, "smiling" playful ocean clowns they've been portrayed as, either. #brutalgangrapistsofthesea

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  5. Not a surprise, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You take a highly intelligent creature, put it in captivity and then get in its enclosure. What the heck do you think is going to happen? It's amazing more people are not killed and a testament to the tolerance of the orcas.

  6. What did you think was going to happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We are locking up intelligent animals for our amusement. Animals much bigger and stronger than humans. Of course some of them are going to kill us. That's what we get.

    1. Re:What did you think was going to happen? by Provocateur · · Score: 5, Funny

      Plus, they must have gotten really tired of being fed fish all the time.

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  7. Where are the editors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do the editors continue to approve submissions by " Hugh Pickens DOT Com"? It's clearly spam/advertisement for some crappy movie, but I've seen it a few times in submitted stories. C'mon now.

  8. Dangerous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These Orca things are dangerous! to stop people voluntarily getting into the tanks with them I suggest a name that's also a warning. Maybe 'Killer aquatic mammal'.

    1. Re:Dangerous! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      Or "Sea Orks".

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  9. Animal Rights Group Alarmism by VinylRecords · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes...orcas are killers. Seen the wild they will use a baby seal like a volley ball. Torturing it for quite some time before it dies. They are 6-ton predators who rule the waters. Evolved natural killing machines. It is a risk to swim with them of course.

    But for the most part they don't kill humans. In fact some of the deaths have been result of the orcas playing too hard and not fully understanding that their human companions are land based creatures not capable of being underwater too long. Some, I guess I'll call them 'water show entertainment' deaths, were because the whales kept a trainer in their mouths for fun but ended up swimming beneath the surface for two or three minutes. Drowning their human trainer.

    But the safety records are fine. If the Animal Right's Groups are saying that the wild animals should not be kept captive because they are dangerous to humans it is a terrible argument. The overwhelming majority of captive animals don't kill or harm humans. If these groups were against animal captivity they need to argue about the exploitation of animals and effectively animal slavery for corporate profits. Instead they are wasting time exploiting deaths, many accidental, many not even of actual trainers but of idiots who jumped over the fence to play with killer whales, giant monkeys, and fully grown lions.

    This is the same alarmist response the news media does whenever a shark attack kills someone. "Oh my god it was 20 feet long...fin those sharks....for the children". Sharks kill a few people a year and there are millions of sharks and millions of humans who swim in the ocean. No need to sensationalize.

    Personally I don't think that most zoo animals enjoy captivity. But most zoo animals are smart enough to know that they are at the mercy of their human masters. The humans provide them clean living conditions, food, and water. They can get a whale to swim ten laps and fly out of the water for a fish treat. But sometimes a killer whale remembers that animal instinct and forgets his training. The trainers know the risks. It's not like these whales are flying out of the stands like a NASCAR crash gone wrong and killing people in the crowd.

    1. Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism by RoknrolZombie · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not like these whales are flying out of the stands like a NASCAR crash gone wrong and killing people in the crowd.

      Yet.

    2. Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If these groups were against animal captivity they need to argue about the exploitation of animals and effectively animal slavery for corporate profits

      They talk about that all the time. Even if you disagree with them, how have you not heard of them talking about such things, almost to an excess of some anti-captivity spiels being a thinly veiled anti-corporate spiel? If anything, it happens so much it gets tuned out, and most people don't care. That is why some groups will try to go at it from different angles. If they know the caring about the animal angle doesn't work, they try things that have more direct impact on humans.

    3. Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the safety records are fine.

      They're acceptable, but they're not fine. One of the points made by a former trainer when talking about the movie is that being an orca trainer should be classified by OSHA as a dangerous job, which I gather would cost Sea World a bunch of money in extra pay, safety precautions and insurance. But because of lobbying by Sea World, it's still classified as being no more dangerous than office work.

    4. Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism by Kagato · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First off Orca's don't kill humans in the wild because they swim in cold waters that don't have humans. It's not like they are native to the coastal Florida beaches. The bit about animals being smart enough to know who the human masters are. That is factually untrue. In most zoos the protocols are all about keeping the zoo keepers out of harms way of the animals. Feeding the animals is one of the most dangerous parts of the job. Making a grab for a keepers during feeding time is quite common and equipment and protocol are designed to reduce the risks.

      Make no mistake, most real zoos wouldn't even fathom having an Orca show with close trainer interaction. There's a night and day difference between non-profit zoos and a multi billion dollar entertainment company.

    5. Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      Well... maybe not large zoos. But at the smaller end, there are plenty of zoolike entities that deal with big cats (leopards, jaguars, tigers, lions) that have official policies against "fraternizing with the animals", but quietly look the other way when a few select individuals get some quality time with the kitties. I'd say the fatality rates are probably pretty comparable... every few years, someone gets killed under circumstances that, in retrospect, make it clear that the individual wasn't quite in tune with the cats(*), but divided by thousands of daily interactions, the number really IS small.

      Common themes to most of the orca attacks: someone was in the tank when they weren't supposed to, sometimes under rather questionable circumstances.

      I do, however, agree that Sea World fucked up its handling of the situation badly by making it consequence-free for the Orca. Some kind of punishment would have certainly been appropriate, if only to make it think twice before attacking a human again in the future. Unfortunately, it's too late now, and if there WERE some kind of punishment imposed after the next killing, the Orca would be unlikely to make a direct connection between the attack and punishment since it's gotten away with it three times already.

      (*) Strictly speaking, NO cat is "domesticated" in the sense dogs are. With cats, socialization early in life is everything. A fourth-generation feral tabby, Siamese, or moggy can mess you up as badly as any small wildcat... and will. A second- or third-generation leopard, cheetah, or cougar socialized with humans from an early age and raised like a house cat will snuggle with you on the couch and purr. Temperamentally, they really AREN'T any different from "house cats". When you really get down to it, ALL cats have a wild side, and socialization is what suppresses it.

      Size matters. The difference between the size & strength of a human and a random house cat is pretty big. They might bite and scratch, but humans have a big enough size advantage to prevail 99.999% of the time. In contrast, an adult female leopard (the smallest of the big cats) is pretty much a dead-even match for an adult human, and any lion larger than a cub is likely to win in hand-to-hand combat with a human. A pissed-off tabby can scratch you badly enough to need sutures. A playful lion or tiger can seriously mess you up by mistake with an inappropriate "love swat", and demonstrably feel bad about doing it afterwards.

      Almost without exception, the people who get killed by big cats are people who thought they could impose themselves upon them like a dog and/or feared them. Recognition of a cat's boundaries and respecting them is NOT the same thing as "fearing them". Even a tabby gets a headache or feels grumpy occasionally, and will lash out at you exactly the same way if you insist upon annoying them when they want to be left alone. A dog can be "trained" to be subservient to humans. Cats negotiate treaties on favorable terms ;-)

    6. Re:Animal Rights Group Alarmism by Talderas · · Score: 3, Funny

      They're already doing Sharknado 2.

      Perhaps they could have a spinoff. Typh-orca.

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  10. Tenuous relationships with animals by multiben · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always been fascinated by people who keep dangerous pets or work with them. They often seem to hold the belief that their relationship with these creatures transcends their instinctive nature to kill. And for a time it seems that they are right. But you only have to piss off a grizzly bear one time, and all of a sudden you're on the latest episode of "People Who Domesticated Animals Which Shouldn't Have Been Domesticated."

    1. Re:Tenuous relationships with animals by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And even then, if your pet tiger really likes you, but takes a nip at you, or tries to wrestle with you like he does with his siblings (that he also likes), you're not strong enough to handle it and you die.

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    2. Re:Tenuous relationships with animals by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      I've always been fascinated by people who keep dangerous pets or work with them. They often seem to hold the belief that their relationship with these creatures transcends their instinctive nature to kill.

      Back in the Seventies there was an article on these folks in the short-lived US edition of Geo Magazine. The writer interviewed some, and noticed a recurring thread: they stoutly maintained that Leo would never hurt them; they had a good-sized bandage somewhere on them; and the first thing out of their mouths was a lame description of a kitchen accident...

      Battered owner syndrome.

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  11. Re:Ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    homo human being + Latin: caedere to cut, kill

    this use is entirely appropriate. the 'homo' in homocide is an objective use rather than a subjective one. it means that a human is being killed, rather than that a human is doing the killing.

  12. Genes matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know an ex Sea World Orca trainer. She never had anything bad to say about the program. The killer Tilikum has been used for breeding more than any other male Orca though. I wouldn't think that was a good idea. Why not try to breed the aggression out of them?

  13. Capturer, not trainer by Reliable+Windmill · · Score: 2

    He killed his perceived capturer. If you capture and lock up an animal, you shouldn't expect anything else.

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  14. Re:Ahem by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    Well, the dictionaries constantly add new words and new meanings and usages for old words. My pet peeve: pretty soon "begs the question" will have an accepted definition "raises the question" instead of circular argument fallacy . Insecticide is something that kills insects. It need not be insect on insect violence. So it is time we expand the meaning homicide to anything that kills humans.

    BTW in most barbershops in the USA they have a jar of disinfectant where they soak the combs, brushes and clippers, brandname "Barbicide". Shhh, don't tell them it is a liquid that kills barbers.

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  15. The Most Dangerous Animal by elsuperjefe · · Score: 2

    "Contrary to popular belief, the most dangerous animal is not the lion or tiger or even the elephant. The most dangerous animal is a shark riding on an elephant, just trampling and eating everything they see." -- Jack Handy clearly, he never saw an ORCA riding on an elephant.

  16. Re:Ahem by Arker · · Score: 3, Funny

    That would actually be a liquid that kills beards. Still not accurate.

    Homicide, however, fits perfectly in this case. Would-be pedants take note, m-w are idiots and always have been. If you cant find several places where they are wrong and you know they are wrong, you are not qualified to engage in pedantry.

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  17. Frustrated designer by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

    was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off

    He was just trying to demonstration his new high-fashion concept of a Eunuch Tunic.

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  18. Ron White said it best... by tompaulco · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tilikum is a "Serial Killer Whale". Also, that's why they are called "Killer Whales" and not "Ocean Ponies."

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  19. What you eat by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    (not suprising since that's what they eat).

    If that were true in all cases we'd taste like Cheetos.

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  20. This is an apex predator by Beeftopia · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Killer whale teeth.
    2) Killer whale skull.

    The killer whale can weigh up to 22,000 lbs for males and 16,000 lbs for females, and be up to 32 feet and 28 feet long respectively. A great white shark can reach up to 5,000 lbs and 20 feet long.

    I saw a PBS video showing great whites feeding on seals at a beach. Suddenly the great whites fled and shortly thereafter, orcas showed up to begin feeding. The narrator noted that orcas can kill great whites.

    The male killer whales at Seaworld weigh 5-6 tons. It's quite remarkable that these orcas have not killed more trainers.

  21. Streisand effect at work by Camael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:-

    In the week before advance screenings in Los Angeles and New York, SeaWorld sent out a "Dear Film Critic" letter that castigated the documentary as "shamefully dishonest, deliberately misleading, and scientifically inaccurate." Journalists and bloggers around the world, never averse to controversy, pricked up their ears. If the film's producers ever worried about insufficient funds for advertising, they can lay that fear to rest.

    I don't think free publicity was what SeaWorld had in mind. I have not even heard of this movie before this, now I have to admit I'm curious.

  22. what does a 6 tonne killer whale eat? by jsepeta · · Score: 4, Funny

    whomever he pleases

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  23. Re:Meanwhile in Antarctica ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Sled dogs bark. Like seals. They never followed through all the way to actually attacking one of the animals either, perhaps indicating that they stopped once they identified that the dogs weren't the prey they were looking for.

  24. Re:It could be worse.... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hey, whales are people too... unless you want to use a literal definition of the root for homicidal:
    homicide
    Noun
    The deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
    Because then we would be talking about whale on whale crime... I don't care about that... "Whale on Whale Action" might get me to click... sorry, just morbid curiosity...

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  25. The trainers don't know the risks. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

    The trainers know the risks.

    Do they? Because the last time I checked, SeaWorld was still claiming that Tilikum was not actually trying to kill Dawn Brancheau when it grabed her by the arm, crushed her, dismembered her, and then ate her arm. They also claim the other two deaths were not deliberate (or that they don't know) when a review of the facts definitely indicates that Tilikum killed these people. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind working with this animal if they were in full possession of the facts. This is a safety issue, but SeaWorld is also deliberately downplaying that risk.

  26. Vote or die. by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Users have the ability to mod and tag the submitted stories. You could have modded this submission down and tagged it "spam" before it hit the front page. You didn't. You have no one to blame but yourself.

    http://slashdot.org/recent is what you are looking for.

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  27. Re:Meanwhile in Antarctica ... by Talderas · · Score: 3, Funny

    *waves hand*

    These aren't the prey you're looking for.

    Move along.

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