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The Case of the Orca That Killed Its Trainer
Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homicidal killer whale, who killed his first trainer, 20-year-old Keltie Byrne in 1991. Then in July 6, 1999, a 27-year-old man who stayed after the park closed and evaded security to enter the orca tank was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off. Tilikum's most recent victim was Dawn Brancheau, the SeaWorld trainer he crushed, dismembered, and partially swallowed in 2010. 'Almost all students of orca believe that they are deranged by captivity, some more than others. Tilikum's record puts him at one end of a continuum. There have been dozens of attacks on trainers by an assortment of orcas in the marine parks around the world. [The movie] "Blackfish" shows video from several of these episodes at SeaWorld,' writes Brower. 'What is remarkable about Orcinus orca in marine parks is not these rare episodes. What is remarkable is their monumental forbearance.' For its part SeaWorld is attempting to cast the filmmakers as the true villains, characterizing them as anti-captivity zealots. The company says '"Blackfish" is inaccurate and misleading and, regrettably, exploits a tragedy that remains a source of deep pain for Dawn Brancheau's family, friends and colleagues.'"
Willy eat me.
I just want to point out that though these killings continue today, they were started while George Bush Sr. was in office.
First, I do believe it is entirely plausible that captivity is a negative thing for sea mammals.
However, statements like "almost all students of orca believe" are not helping make their point. I assume they found all the "students of orca" (what does that even mean? Do you sit in a classroom with an orca at the board?) and polled them at a scientific level? Even if they did, what does "almost all" mean?'
Let's have numbers here. Opinions of experts. Show your work. Until or unless you do, I'm going to dismiss that statement as really meaning "I believe this and some other people I know also do," which isn't close to a consensus.
There is way too much crap like this in "journalism" these days, and I'm calling it out when I see it.
Genitals Bitten Off.....
Yep, that's enough internet for the day.
I recommend this documentary about dolphins, but is also related
In it's like okay, in my opinion, man.
The name says it all, really. Orca are carnivores, their natural prey includes seals - which are of comparable size and, for all I know, tastiness to a human.
The way the species has been rebranded as a "dolphin" is one of the triumphs of marketing over reality. They're whales, and they're killers. Get in a tank with one at your own risk.
"There's an interesting read at National Geographic by Kenneth Brower that probes the case of Tilikum, the homicidal killer whale,.."
Homicidal . . . I don't think that word means what you think it means.
I read TFA and all I got was this lousy cookie
You take a highly intelligent creature, put it in captivity and then get in its enclosure. What the heck do you think is going to happen? It's amazing more people are not killed and a testament to the tolerance of the orcas.
We are locking up intelligent animals for our amusement. Animals much bigger and stronger than humans. Of course some of them are going to kill us. That's what we get.
The strange part is they don't eat people first chance/every chance.
Why do the editors continue to approve submissions by " Hugh Pickens DOT Com"? It's clearly spam/advertisement for some crappy movie, but I've seen it a few times in submitted stories. C'mon now.
These Orca things are dangerous! to stop people voluntarily getting into the tanks with them I suggest a name that's also a warning. Maybe 'Killer aquatic mammal'.
Yes...orcas are killers. Seen the wild they will use a baby seal like a volley ball. Torturing it for quite some time before it dies. They are 6-ton predators who rule the waters. Evolved natural killing machines. It is a risk to swim with them of course.
But for the most part they don't kill humans. In fact some of the deaths have been result of the orcas playing too hard and not fully understanding that their human companions are land based creatures not capable of being underwater too long. Some, I guess I'll call them 'water show entertainment' deaths, were because the whales kept a trainer in their mouths for fun but ended up swimming beneath the surface for two or three minutes. Drowning their human trainer.
But the safety records are fine. If the Animal Right's Groups are saying that the wild animals should not be kept captive because they are dangerous to humans it is a terrible argument. The overwhelming majority of captive animals don't kill or harm humans. If these groups were against animal captivity they need to argue about the exploitation of animals and effectively animal slavery for corporate profits. Instead they are wasting time exploiting deaths, many accidental, many not even of actual trainers but of idiots who jumped over the fence to play with killer whales, giant monkeys, and fully grown lions.
This is the same alarmist response the news media does whenever a shark attack kills someone. "Oh my god it was 20 feet long...fin those sharks....for the children". Sharks kill a few people a year and there are millions of sharks and millions of humans who swim in the ocean. No need to sensationalize.
Personally I don't think that most zoo animals enjoy captivity. But most zoo animals are smart enough to know that they are at the mercy of their human masters. The humans provide them clean living conditions, food, and water. They can get a whale to swim ten laps and fly out of the water for a fish treat. But sometimes a killer whale remembers that animal instinct and forgets his training. The trainers know the risks. It's not like these whales are flying out of the stands like a NASCAR crash gone wrong and killing people in the crowd.
I've always been fascinated by people who keep dangerous pets or work with them. They often seem to hold the belief that their relationship with these creatures transcends their instinctive nature to kill. And for a time it seems that they are right. But you only have to piss off a grizzly bear one time, and all of a sudden you're on the latest episode of "People Who Domesticated Animals Which Shouldn't Have Been Domesticated."
I know an ex Sea World Orca trainer. She never had anything bad to say about the program. The killer Tilikum has been used for breeding more than any other male Orca though. I wouldn't think that was a good idea. Why not try to breed the aggression out of them?
"Almost all students of orca believe that they are deranged by captivity, some more than others."
I really wish the author had gone into more detail on this point, it sounds interesting. The closest he got was a citation from a psychologist who said, we really should be careful applying psychological terms to animals that diverged from us 200 million years ago.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Normally once a kept animal kills or even bites a human, it is destroyed, under the theory it will be far less likely to do so in the future. I assume this wasn't done for half a dozen reasons stacking up, from it's too big, too hard to let go, how dare you, etc.
> with his genitals bitten off
Ouch! I wonder if he whaled.
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He killed his perceived capturer. If you capture and lock up an animal, you shouldn't expect anything else.
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Is that the attempted attack on Herbert Ponting or do we have at least two now? There's also been a few accounts of them breaking ice in an attempt to get sled dogs.
A few down, a few billion left. Who will win? Orca's or Skynet?
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
"Contrary to popular belief, the most dangerous animal is not the lion or tiger or even the elephant. The most dangerous animal is a shark riding on an elephant, just trampling and eating everything they see." -- Jack Handy clearly, he never saw an ORCA riding on an elephant.
was found dead and nude, draped over Tilikum's back with his genitals bitten off
He was just trying to demonstration his new high-fashion concept of a Eunuch Tunic.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Tilikum is a "Serial Killer Whale". Also, that's why they are called "Killer Whales" and not "Ocean Ponies."
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
(not suprising since that's what they eat).
If that were true in all cases we'd taste like Cheetos.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
An orca that kills a human trying to capture it in the waters of florida is legally in the right.
and they killed something. What exactly is the problem here?!? :-/
1) Killer whale teeth.
2) Killer whale skull.
The killer whale can weigh up to 22,000 lbs for males and 16,000 lbs for females, and be up to 32 feet and 28 feet long respectively. A great white shark can reach up to 5,000 lbs and 20 feet long.
I saw a PBS video showing great whites feeding on seals at a beach. Suddenly the great whites fled and shortly thereafter, orcas showed up to begin feeding. The narrator noted that orcas can kill great whites.
The male killer whales at Seaworld weigh 5-6 tons. It's quite remarkable that these orcas have not killed more trainers.
From TFA:-
I don't think free publicity was what SeaWorld had in mind. I have not even heard of this movie before this, now I have to admit I'm curious.
Or have MASA send him to the moon.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
You are so wrong and your own link proves it. Let me set out the parts you clipped off in the definition:-
By your own source, murder can only be committed by human beings on other human beings. Since whales are not human beings, they cannot commit murder, and by extension they cannot have homicidal tendencies.
I don't. It's always been a few days late.
whomever he pleases
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if someone dried to stick his dick up my nose, i'd probably bite it off too!
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Homo as a root often means "the same". As in homosexual, or homonym. If you classify some dolphins (like Killer Whales) as sentient then it could be a sentient on sentient attack resulting in homicide.
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I wonder about the press more than the attacks.
Here's some numbers for dogs:
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
Collies have gotten three, and note that there's even someone killed by a cocker spaniel (not surprising if you ever owned one).
The hound group includes two people killed by dachshunds.
Admittedly, there are many more people owning dachshunds and cocker spaniels than Orcas, but the point is that if you mess with animals enough, they'll kill you. So what is the big deal with Orca attacks? They're just another animal.
Cows kill someone about every few weeks - about 20 a year
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5829a2.htm
How often do you see a article about someone killed by a cow?
But every time a shark or Orca gets someone, it's international news.
Caution! Intelligent predator animals you keep captive and let do silly tricks may try kill you once they get the chance.
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
Hey, whales are people too... unless you want to use a literal definition of the root for homicidal:
homicide
Noun
The deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
Because then we would be talking about whale on whale crime... I don't care about that... "Whale on Whale Action" might get me to click... sorry, just morbid curiosity...
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
Do they? Because the last time I checked, SeaWorld was still claiming that Tilikum was not actually trying to kill Dawn Brancheau when it grabed her by the arm, crushed her, dismembered her, and then ate her arm. They also claim the other two deaths were not deliberate (or that they don't know) when a review of the facts definitely indicates that Tilikum killed these people. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind working with this animal if they were in full possession of the facts. This is a safety issue, but SeaWorld is also deliberately downplaying that risk.
I can't believe nobody mentioned the other excellent movie about killer orcas: rust and bones. OK, the orca is only the start of the story, but it's really good.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_accidents
By your criteria shall we ban cinema as well?
http://matadornetwork.com/nights/10-deadliest-concert-disasters-of-the-last-50-years/
Live music is also dangerous.
Perhaps a blanket ban on all entertainment is in order. People might die or get injured.
Who are you, Adolphin Hitler?
Users have the ability to mod and tag the submitted stories. You could have modded this submission down and tagged it "spam" before it hit the front page. You didn't. You have no one to blame but yourself.
http://slashdot.org/recent is what you are looking for.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
Where is the Orca going to get a nice bottle of chianti then?
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
That Sea World let it happen 3 times.
And lobbied to prevent killer whale training being deemed a dangerous profession, with mandatory compensation and insurance commensurate with the increased risk.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
The whale-huggers despise Sea World. Hence the film. Hence the article.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
What's the problem of people dying exactly? As a species, we can more than afford this and the people dying almost exclusively knew the dangers and chose voluntarily to expose themselves. People die for the most stupid reasons all of the time. It's part of life, not every death should have a significant meaning. People die from the most silly things all the time. Parachute jumping comes to mind as a good analogy. Stunt plane flying deaths haven't stopped people flying stunt planes either. The luxury we can afford as a species means people die from silly causes. As long as we can afford us these sorts of deaths, they will continue.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
I just thought I'd mention Ric O'Barry, Flipper's trainer. He's spent a life trying to eradicate captivity of Cetacea. Here's a link to an interview so you can listen to him in his own words. He's not a Seaworld fan and has some pretty good reasons why not. Hope someone finds this interesting, I sure did.
That's a false choice. Read one of the earliest entries on your list:
People work very hard to avoid accidents in the film industry, and they are by no means a necessary to the production of movies. That said, some of the stunts they do are unnecessary and dangerous. I don't understand why someone would risk their life to make a movie, and if I were financing a movie, I wouldn't let it happen.
On the other hand, working with large predators is always dangerous, and there doesn't seem to be any obvious way to avoid the risk. It shouldn't be done, and I can't imagine what people who run places like SeaWorld or wild animal theme parks could be thinking. I've seen grizzly bears and mountain lions in the wild. While it is thrilling, I do everything I can to avoid such encounters. I can't fathom why someone would want to work in close proximity with these animals, unless they did not fully understand the risk. It would be like working with live high-voltage lines just for the fun of it.
That an Orca, aka a Killer Whale, should actually eat something, like a mammal, is hardly surprising. Personally, I have no problem with it. Play with a giant, multi-ton monster that has been known to eat sharks and whales, and dolphins and seals, and what do you expect? These are predators. Keeping them confined will have consequences. This is what happens when the human races insists that it can dominate nature. Oops.
You know they call them killer whales
But you seem surprised
When it pinned you down to the bottom of the tank
Where you can't turn around
It took half your leg and both your lungs
And I craved I ate hearts of sharks, I know you know it
I'm a man man man man, man man man eater
But still you're surprised, 'prised, 'prised, when I eat ya
-Neko Case, People Gotta Lotta Nerve
We ourselves named them killer whales, why the hell aren't we taking the same precautions as we would with frickin' sharks?
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Orca
:)
This is a movie you should watch
Into the orca pool == Out of the gene pool
Should be closed.
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about statistics and probability. If you have enough contact with animals that can kill you, the likelihood of an incident detrimental to your health approaches one. No one, not even a professor of orca, can predict when the beast is having a bad day. Or a sore tongue. Or a misunderstanding.
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