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DEA Program "More Troubling" Than NSA

Rambo Tribble writes "Reuters is reporting on a secret effort by the Drug Enforcement Agency to collect data from wiretaps, informants, and other sources. Considered most troubling is a systematic campaign to hide this program from the courts, denying defendants their right to know how evidence against them was obtained. This agenda targets U.S. citizens directly, as it is mainly focused on drug trafficking. From the article: 'Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges. The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to "recreate" the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses.'"

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  1. Troubling quote from the article by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 5, Informative

    A former federal agent in the northeastern United States who received such tips from SOD described the process. "You'd be told only, ‘Be at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle.' And so we'd alert the state police to find an excuse to stop that vehicle, and then have a drug dog search it," the agent said. After an arrest was made, agents then pretended that their investigation began with the traffic stop, not with the SOD tip, the former agent said. The training document reviewed by Reuters refers to this process as "parallel construction."

    Country without a consitution says what?

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    1. Re:Troubling quote from the article by colfer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even more troubling: '"Parallel construction is a law enforcement technique we use every day," one official said. "It's decades old, a bedrock concept."... Some defense lawyers and former prosecutors said that using "parallel construction" may be legal to establish probable cause for an arrest. But they said employing the practice as a means of disguising how an investigation began may violate pretrial discovery rules by burying evidence that could prove useful to criminal defendants.'

      So it's been accepted practice for decades, with or without the NSA, and yet only drug defense lawyers have ever heard of it. A lot of questions reporters could ask: can defense attorneys get the whole meta-data drop for the phone numbers involved? Can civil case parties get any of this stuff?

      The defense data dump would seem to be especially on point, since it would allow the defendant to point fingers in other directions.

      Choice parts at the end of the article: 'If cases did go to trial, current and former agents said, charges were sometimes dropped to avoid the risk of exposing SOD involvement... Current and former federal agents said SOD tips aren't always helpful - one estimated their accuracy at 60 percent.... "It was an amazing tool," said one recently retired federal agent. "Our big fear was that it wouldn't stay secret."' That last comment is the absolutely most corrupt.

    2. Re:Troubling quote from the article by icebike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Constructing a case against someone that you *cough* accidentally discovered was doing something wrong via an illegal wiretap or massive surveillance is almost an everyday occurrence in this country. Everyone from the tin-star country sheriff to the biggest police department does it.

      This is why license plate scanners, mass email sifting, etc ad-nauseum is so insidious EVEN for people who do nothing wrong, except drive down the wrong street at the wrong time, or post on the wrong threads (like this one) on a public forum.

      You can be made do look guilty enough to be detained, your reputation for ever ruined, or actual arrested and prosecuted and convicted by un-questioning juries who simply want to go home.

      The wisest thing is for any defense attorney to do is to ask direct questions as to why this particular car was stopped on this particular day, or why that particular hoodie was a target of stop and risk. That forces the police and prosecutors to either fabricate a lie, or reveal these retro-investigations.

      Will it have any immediate effect? I sincerely doubt it. But you catch them at it once, and you can taint a lot of cases.

      One wonders if license plate scanners aren't really a huge scam to provide a vaguely dependable program for acquiring a pretense of probable cause. Looking for stolen vehicles, but only in the areas where drug sales or prostitutes are plentiful.

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    3. Re:Troubling quote from the article by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

      The 'war on drugs' has either introduced or popularized many of the more...unpleasant...police practices, so it isn't 100% surprising that people who litigate drug cases, one side or the other, probably have a lot of unpleasant cocktail party stories.

    4. Re:Troubling quote from the article by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds like a way of having to get one of those bothersome warrants.

      Even better, if the original collection mechanism was illegal, you can avoid having the evidence excluded as 'fruit of the poisonous tree' by producing a "parallel construction", that isn't illegal, for how you came to possess it! Such convenience.

    5. Re:Troubling quote from the article by FuzzNugget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, so: Don't Talk to the Police and Don't Waive Your Right to Trial.

    6. Re:Troubling quote from the article by RenderSeven · · Score: 4, Funny

      At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...

    7. Re:Troubling quote from the article by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The wisest thing is for any defense attorney to do is to ask direct questions as to why this particular car was stopped on this particular day"

      "The driver $misc_innocuous_driving_offense, so I stopped him. When I approached the car, I thought I smelled marijuana, so I called a drug sniffing dog, which indicated there were drugs in the car"

      This line of "construction" is accepted 100% of the time in 100% of the courts in the US.

    8. Re:Troubling quote from the article by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster" Friedrich Nietzsche

      Kinda sad we lost so many good men in WWII fighting the jack booted bullshit only to have the jack booted bullshit take root here, but lets face it, fascism never died it just became more corporate friendly. Instead of being ruled by the state like the old fashioned kind the new fascism has the state and corporation become one, with a revolving door between the halls of power and the MIC that Ike tried to warn us about and I have no doubt the corps are the ones doing a LOT of the data gathering, no pesky constitutional protections to worry about if you get megacorp to do the spying in return for a buttload of cash.

      I don't know if this will give any comfort or not but the current system is built on a house of cards doomed to collapse and when it does the system as we know it WILL be destroyed, the only question is when and due to the size of the bubble if it makes it past 2025 frankly I'll be amazed. Of course the part that should make the rest of the planet stain their tighty whities is this question...what happens after the collapse? You are talking about the most heavily armed military in history, with 5 times the carriers of anybody else, more nukes than anybody knows what to do with, and an insane amount of weaponry stockpiled all over the country.

      I know many will disagree but I don't think the USA will go silently into that good night and break up like the USSR, instead taking a page from the crazy Austrian and using the "bread and jobs" bit along with the strong nationalism of the citizens to do the whole "We'll take Poland!" bit only with Poland replaced by resource rich South America. It really wouldn't be hard, a couple of false flags that cause plenty of bloodshed, get the MSM to rally round the flag, the people would take the bait hook,line,and sinker.

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    9. Re:Troubling quote from the article by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You ALWAYS go to fucking TRIAL! Always! These trumped up prosecutions would stop if everyone exercised their right to a TRIAL!

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      My wife was accused of criminal negligence with regards to an accident involving a retarded minor. She was facing 6 years in PMITV prison!

      ...
      Well, three days before jury selection was scheduled to start -- they offered a new plea deal, this time with a misdemeanor charge and 1 year of probation. Called their fucking bluffs!

      ...
      PS: If I had the money for a trial, we would have said no and got the charges dropped completely

      Didn't you just demonstrate exactly why many people *don't* go to trial (including yourself?) The government holds all the cards - not only can they can hold a max sentence prosecution over your head making the stakes too high to gamble, but they *also* can play dirty with the evidence and stack the deck in their favor making it more likely that they will win. And since they are prosecuting with your tax dollars, they get unlimited funds to spend on the prosecution.

      It's easy to say "Everyone should go to trial!" but when it's your (or your wife's) butt on the line, it's not so easy to face years of prison time -- as you so clearly demonstrated with your story. You didn't call their bluff - they called yours - they sweetened the pot on the plea deal because they wanted you to admit to the crime so they get yet another successful prosecution - and you did exactly what they wanted.

    10. Re:Troubling quote from the article by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sounds like a way of [not] having to get one of those bothersome warrants.

      Even better, if the original collection mechanism was illegal, you can avoid having the evidence excluded as 'fruit of the poisonous tree' by producing a "parallel construction", that isn't illegal, for how you came to possess it! Such convenience.

      Which, interestingly, is how military intelligence hides their sources. Supposedly during WWII the Allies never took action on information derived from ULTRA, unless they could find other evidence once they knew the fact. That way the Germans could always conclude that the Allies figured things out by normal means, rather than having an ear in their HQs.

      Makes you wonder who the DEA is getting advice from.

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    11. Re:Troubling quote from the article by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Makes you wonder who the DEA is getting advice from."

      In a conspiracy-theorist's perfect world, the CIA would be dishing dirt on competing drug-runners in order to boost their own margins. I don't think that I dare hope for a setup that cute, though.

    12. Re:Troubling quote from the article by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

      What the hell did I just read?

      The reason you should Just Say NO to crack cocaine.

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    13. Re: Troubling quote from the article by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Any physicist can tell you that "being invisible" is no defence against a sniper's bullet.

      The problem here is, the entire "Parallel construction" is being used to hide the fact that the tree was poisoned. In fact, there is no reason to have parellel construction otherwise, since it actually adds nothing to the case: If you had enough evidence to pull him over and search him, then you don't need to wait for him to "drive erratically". If you didn't, then it doesn't give you any.

      There is no other purpose here than to hide the poisoning of the tree so that it cannot be defended against.

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    14. Re:Troubling quote from the article by PRMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At a previous place I lived, the neighbors across the alley had cars pulling up 18 hours a day. Garage door up, guy comes out to window goes back inside comes back out, makes another exchange with driver and driver pulls away. Garage door down. All day, every day.

      It got so bad one day that I couldn't get out and a guy flipped me off. So I called the cops.

      I told them and they said to report it to the complex security guard. I told them that it doesn't work because he's their cousin and the board has been trying to get rid of these people for years (because they suspect the sons go around breaking everything but can't prove it) but legally can't because they know every renter's law up one side and down the other and threaten to sue.

      The cops said, "There isn't anything we can do." I said, sure there is. Send some plainclothes guys to the end of the street. Watch the suspicious transaction. Follow the car out of the complex and pull them over. Search the car for drugs. Once you find the drugs, get a warrant to search the house. Make sure you don't tell the complex security at any time or they'll be notified.

      Sure enough, a couple days later I see a Mercury at the end of the street with 2 obvious plainclothes in it. Clueless druggies roll up and purchase anyway. The next morning, there's a raid and the sons are arrested. Within a month the parents move out and we get a nice, new neighbor.

      Now, based on this thread, we engaged in "parallel construction". I just saw suspicious activity and we manufactured the rest (but it was all legit). (I didn't realize I was so clever.)

      So it's not the parallel construction that's the problem. It's the massive dragnet to find the information to begin with.

      Also, what happens when someone tries to frame someone else by texting them from different people's phones and asking them where to find drugs. Will the cops "plant" drugs because they've already expended the effort?

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    15. Re:Troubling quote from the article by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is that "parallel construction?" Your observations established probable cause for the raid. That was linear construction.

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    16. Re:Troubling quote from the article by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cops said, "There isn't anything we can do." I said, sure there is. [ ... explains to Cops how to do their fucking job ...]

      This is even sadder than the time a junior programmer, just out of college, asked me, "how do I debug a program".

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    17. Re:Troubling quote from the article by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You didn't call their bluff - they called yours - they sweetened the pot on the plea deal because they wanted you to admit to the crime so they get yet another successful prosecution ...

      Which is *all* prosecutors really care about - winning not truth. Only winning convictions helps their careers. Sad but, from my experience, true.

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    18. Re:Troubling quote from the article by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...and shortly thereafter all the "druggies" found new suppliers, the can was kicked down to some other neighborhood, addiction rates didn't change, since they never really do more than the yearly fluctuations.

      All because the real problem wasn't them, it was the government and police who created the situation where opening up a storefront in a residential garage looked like a good and profitable idea.

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    19. Re:Troubling quote from the article by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did these "druggies" actually hurt anybody? I mean besides flipping you off and blocking you in your driveway. It seems that you just didn't like them, and they happened to be a minor inconvenience (not unlike someone playing loud music or just being an asshole), and what they were doing happened to be illegal and you took advantage of that.

      I would say in an ideal world we would end the war on drugs, rather than manufacturing reasons to make criminals out of people that aren't hurting anyone (except maybe themselves), and in the process funneling money to brutal drug cartels.

      I don't think you were wrong to call the cops on them. I wouldn't want a bunch of drug deals going down where I lived either, but I think the real problem is that because it's illegal, it attracts a criminal element, and not the other way around.

  2. Big buck from prohibition by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has the money made by the prohibition industry exceeded that made by drug king pins yet? This is the kind of unchecked power that the cartels would love to have.

  3. And so it begins by NobleSavage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we use the word police state yet?

    1. Re:And so it begins by thinkingrodent · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's two words.

    2. Re:And so it begins by Endo13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. You can only do that once it's too late to matter.

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    3. Re:And so it begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not really a classic police state yet, which is top down.

      This is something new, where we have shards of government becoming autonomous and headless and immune from oversight. The idea of checks and balances is failing. The DEA and the NSA are now their own organizations with their own agenda, their own budgets, their own corrupt private contractors, their own interests to serve. They exist for that, and not to serve the public.

    4. Re:And so it begins by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Begins? When it comes to drug prohibition, we've been able to honestly say that for decades. That's part of the reason I find the Republicans so disingenuous. It's insane (or an outright lie) to claim that our freedoms have been recently taken with Obama in office, when they were taken by Nixon and perpetuated by every president since. Not only does our authoritarian government lock up people for using a less-harmful alternative to alcohol, they've used their power to push prohibition world-wide.

    5. Re:And so it begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not really a classic police state yet, which is top down.

      The record holder in perjury before congress so far is not some NSA official but Eric Holder, the Attorney General, responsible for prosecuting things like high-level perjury.

      If that's not top down, I don't know what is.

    6. Re:And so it begins by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Was it really Nixon, who presided over the original Prohibition?

      As for Obama, he surely inherited some of the problems, but — instead of alleviating them — made them worse. For the most obvious example, Obama is killing the people Bush used to try to capture... Is the Nobel Peace Prize winner really that blood-thirsty? No, he is not. But, to be able to close Guantanamo eventually, he has to stop putting new people there... And his supporters, so worked-up about people being locked-up in Gitmo, are happily ignoring his killing of the same alleged terrorists. If he thought, he could get away with simply executing all of the current detainees — so as to close the "illegal" prison down, he would've done that too...

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  4. Another word game by qbast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This "recreating the investigative trail" sounds like a fancy way to describe perjury.

    1. Re:Another word game by hooweek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This "recreating the investigative trail" sounds like a fancy way to describe perjury.

      I just don't see how it's acceptable for the government to use this "parallel construction" and not recognize the implications. Basically, you can spy on people / utilize information swept up from other (likely dubious) government actions as long as you can fabricate reasonable cause after the fact? How is the entire investigation not completely tainted by this fact? Not only that, but now you get to get rhetorical ammunition that "spying works" since it can lead to convictions outside of the intended purpose while simultaneously reducing the information available to regular citizens and the attorneys that defend them since it's literally their job to cover it up after the fact with a false trail.

    2. Re:Another word game by achbed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Parallel construction" is apparently the technical term for laundering the fruit of the poisonous tree. If the way the original tip was gathered was illegal, then ALL subsequent evidence gathered is inadmissible. Period. By laundering the source of the investigation (to hide the illegal tip), the FBI, DA's office, local and state cops are all committing both perjury and possible contempt of court.

      Good luck getting the judges to do anything about it though. The only way this will be stopped is if the FBI is sued by a drug dealer or trafficker. And they have a GREAT history of winning in court.

  5. move along by zlives · · Score: 4, Insightful

    nothing to see here... only criminals are affected, you are not a criminal, Citizen, are you?

    1. Re:move along by buswolley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually. We are all criminals. I mean, how many laws are there? Yes, I've said this before. You can't live without breaking laws, there are too many laws. Equality before the law really just means, "on whom is the law enforced?" The poor and the brown...and those that speak uneasy truths.

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    2. Re:move along by zidium · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The year was 2006. I was driving along the feeder of an interstate highway I-45 northbound in Houston, TX, near Alemeda, going 55 mph and slowing, having just exited a 65 mph highway (going ~68).

      I saw the truck in front of me slam on his brakes. There was a cop car parked on the side of the road at the light, the cop was standing outside his car, pointing a speed scanner at cars.

      The speed limit was 45.

      I swerved into the next lane (the middle lane) to avoid crunching into the truck (who'd gone from ~60 mph to maybe 30 in an instant).

      Next thing I know, the cop is *skipping* sideways, facing me, right into my lane in 3 big skips, his burly arms outstretched, pointed at me in a "STOP" motion.

      I'm telling you, he was only ~25 feet away when he started these antics and within a second or two, I was nearly upon him.

      I *SLAMMED* on my brakes and quickly jerked the wheel to the open left lane. In my periphreal vision, I saw the cop dodge out of the lane, cuz he was scared, too. I immediately applied the brakes hard and stopped ~20 feet from the red light white stop line.

      The cop *RUSHED* over to my window and banged it FURIOUSLY with his black club. In shock, it took me about 10 seconds to manage to roll down the window.

      "YOU ALMOST KILLED ME!!! YOU PUT MY LIFE IN GREAT PERSONAL RISK!!!" the cop frantically barked at me in his thick, husky voice. "GET OUT OF THE CAR, PUT YOUR HANDs BehIND YOUR BACK!"

      I did this. He put handcuffs on me, arms behind my back and said I was under arrest for driving erratically, wrecklessly, and endangering the life of a peace officer. He ended up writing me a total of SEVEN offenses: 1) expired tax sticker, 2) going 55 in a 45, 3) no proper turn signal [trying to avoid hitting the truck], 4) improper lane change [trying to avoid hitting the officer!], 5) failure to yield to an officer [felony, lowest], 6) endangering an officer of the law [since he literally skipped over right in front of me!], and 7) reckless driving.

      I knew enough to not say a word. He kept asking me over and over to tell him why I tried to hit him, and I just kept my mouth shut. He got really violent and was screaming at me WHY DID I TRY TO KILL HIM!?! I thought if I uttered any word he could testify something like "This criminal tried to run me over and when I asked him, 'why?' he brazenly said I was mistaken and had put my own life at risk." You know?

      When backup arrived 5 minutes later, both of them started in on me, saying things like they were going to leave me on the sidewalk in the 105 F 100% humidity summer heat to rot if I didn't confess. I then started mouthing toward the backup's cop car (incase of a dash cam) "I demand an attorney, I demand an attorney, I demand an attorney."

      Freaks dragged me down to the station, processed me, I got bail set at $1,000 and I was out in like 12 hours. Court was the next month. The DA came up to my attorney and said something like, "Yeah... we want to settle this out of court for just speeding, reckless driving, and the expired sticker." Attorney advised me not to, so we went to the judge.

      The judge sort of smirked when the cop explained his side of things nad my attorney explained my side of things. The attorney showed them the deal they tried to just get us to agree to, and showed the dash cam that showed the guy clearly skipping into oncoming traffic and me nearly hitting him, cuz he brazenly came so close so fast.

      The judge threw out all of them except the sticker, then added that the sticker would be thrown out, too, plus no court fees. Woohoo! All I ended up paying was a few hundred (~$500) for the attorney.

      But look, the attorney said and I think that if I had mouthed off to the cop, or really said anything, like "WHY DID YOU DO THAT?! ARE YOU CRAZY?!" that i could have been beaten up and had the book thrown at me. The two felonies had punishments of up to 5 years each and the misdermeanors would have totalled a potential 15 months each. Thats like 7 years.

      All because an asshole cop decided to play god and skip in front of two oncoming cars on a slow Summer Thursday at around 2 PM.

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    3. Re:move along by zidium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The year was 2002, in June.

      I was currently attending the University of Arizona, where I permanently lived for the better part of 2 years, but at this moment I was visiting my family in a suburb of south Houston (Pearland).

      I decided to go to my old church. Surprise, they had moved in the last year that I had been there. In the age before Google Maps, mapquest often got directions horribly wrong, particularly for newly moved businesses. When I tried finding my church, I realized the directions were wrong and made a U-Turn when there were no other cars on a 4 lane street about 2 blocks from the intersection.

      Then I started seeing all these cop cars. They were just everywhere. Then one of them turned on his lights and pulled me over. He said I had illegally made a U-Turn and asked to see my drivers' license. I gave it to him and he gave me a ticket. I was upset, but o well, right? I already knew we lived in a tyranical system since 9/11/2001 just about 9 months previously (I was pretty much one of the first Truthers; I hosted loosechange911.com for Dylan Avery from 2004-2006, for instance).

      When I got home, I realized, oh my gosh, my Arizona drivers license is missing. Working on a hunch, I called the police station of the small town of ~1,500 i had gotten the ticket.

      "Oh! Mister [redacted]! Officer Martinez said that he accidentally took your license. He says just come on by anytime tomorrow [Monday] and get it."

      OK, so I was a 20 year-old naive kid. I drove by myself to the police station to, you know, get my license. This drive took about 30 minutes.

      In the parking lot of the police station / courthouse / jail of the tiny town, I had JUST turned off the ignition of my Xterra when ...

      --Knock knock knoc-- on my window.

      Startled, I *jumped* and saw Officer Martinez knocking on my car window. He had been waiting for me and had rushed outside. I thought, man, he must really want to give me my driver's license!

      "GET OUT OF THE CAR, PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK! YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!"

      Um, what?! My consciousness went into near panic. WHAT COULD I HAVE POSSIBLY DONE?! I was a good Christian-ish boy (really a scientific spiritualist who didn't believe in Jesus, but you get the point), who had never done drugs, or even gotten drunk or even tasted alcohol (I was still 21). I had never done ANYTHING except a few MP3 downloads illegal.

      I got out.

      "[my full name] You are under arrest for driving with a suspended Texas drivers license."

      I turned to Officer Martinez and said, "Well, it's great for you to tell me to drive here. Very convenient. And of course my Texas license expired, I've been living in Arizona for the last two years."

      "Take it to the judge!" he bellowed, and marched me inside for processing.

      An eternity later (my first time in jail), I was marched in front of the DA and the judge. I had been allowed to make one phone call. I knew my parents' were in California on a vacation so I called my brother but he didn't answer so I left a message about my situation, and that's all they'd let me do. I was not allowed to contact an attorney, they said they'd provide one...later.

      I explained myself to a seemingly nice judge in his mid-70s, who really seemed to listen to my side of the story and give me the benefit of the doubt:

      1. I was a full-time student in Arizona, where I lived and worked continuously.
      2. I was visiting my birth city in Texas and had only been there 5 days and was leaving in about another week.
      3. I had a Texas license, but it expired one year ago and I didn't renew becuase, well, I had a perfectly valid Arizona license that didn't expire until 2036, so why renew my texas, right?

      The judge seemed very confused. He called over the District Attorney and repeated verbatim what I had said. He then asked the DA, outright:

      "If he has a perfectly valid Arizona license and no warrants for his arrest, how can we hold him for an invalid Texas license? The Arizona DM

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  6. Idiots by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they'd legalize drugs the bottom would fall out of the market and all the drug-funded gangs and their wars would fade away. (Or look for something else illegal to sell.)

    Tax dope as high as you can without creating a black market, and use the revenue for prevention and rehab programs. And use all the money that's currently going to the DEA and prison-industrial complex for something useful.

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    1. Re:Idiots by Hatta · · Score: 5, Informative

      They're not idiots. Lots of very powerful and well connected people profit from drug prohibition. They don't want the bottom to fall out of the market, and they don't want drug-funded gangs to go away. What they are doing is intentional.

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    2. Re:Idiots by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without drug users, who will fill the private prisons? How will the warden feed his kids without your tax dollars? Won't you please, please think of the warden's children?

      Without the drug profits fueling the hyper-violent narco state to our south, from what blood-drenched hellhole will our tomato pickers and day laborers flee? And citizens can't do those jobs, because they would want "wages" and "better working conditions," and you can't deport them near so easily when they get uppity.

      Oh well. Gotta keep spending those tax dollars though. After all, the children and everything...

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    3. Re:Idiots by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do you think anyone who has ever used drugs needs rehab?
      Even people who only indulge a few times a year?

      Most drug consumption is not your hard core addict, but normal people have a joint after work, or a couple lines at the club on their birthday. These people don't need help or rehab, they are functioning members of society and prosecuting them hurts us all. Taxing them on the other hand would help pay for the treatments of the hard luck cases.

      Thefts by drug users are due to their inability to get work(thanks drug testing!) and the high price of drugs. Look at what Switzerland did with heroin to see that your theory is likely wrong.

  7. 'Recreate'? by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Recreating the investigative trail sounds a LOT like fabrication.

    We have DEA agents who swear to "tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth" knowingly omitting an important part of the truth.

  8. Re:News? by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 4, Informative

    But we now know that the DEA probably gets its info from the NSA, and hands it down further to your local sheriff.

    Not probably; definitely. From TFA:

    The unit of the DEA that distributes the information is called the Special Operations Division, or SOD. Two dozen partner agencies comprise the unit, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Homeland Security.

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  9. Re:then it's up to the jury to rule the consitutio by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The jury has no idea that anything unconstitutional has happened. Not even the defendent, prosecutor, nor the judge are told that law enforcement was given a tip by the SOD. It's a complete coverup.

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  10. Re:cover your tracks by fsterman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Parent has gotten low scores, but it happens more often than you would think. I personally know someone the FBI tried to plant drugs on because they had not found any on his friends (whom they had already arrested). He saw it in the police car before he got in and refused to do so until they swept it up.

    They just have to pretend to smell marijuana, coerce the drug dog into faking a "hit" or claim there was an anonymous tip and they can go ape-shit on your house. Granted, I would be willing to be that a majority of the time they are right. But there is a reason why low-income communities hate cops.

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  11. Joking about serious things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The U.S. government is EXTREMELY CORRUPT. This is no time for joking.

    In some ways the U.S. government is the most violent that has ever existed. The U.S. government has invaded more countries than any other country in the history of the world. The U.S. government has more than 760 military bases worldwide. Taxpayers pay, but aren't allowed to know where there money goes.

    Read the story about the US government's purchases of over one billion rounds of anti-personnel ammunition. Quote: "The ammunition is to be use domestically, not by the military."

    Do you think it won't get worse?

    1. Re:Joking about serious things? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Do you think it won't get worse?

      I saw the first drone fly over my head the other day.
      If that isn't a wake-up-call, what is?

    2. Re:Joking about serious things? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In some ways the U.S. government is the most violent that has ever existed.

      I am not a fan of US foreign policy either, but these sorts of exaggerations are just ridiculous. Is the US government really more violent than the Roman Empire or the government of Genghis Khan? In the middle ages you were 35 times as likely to die as a result of violence from another human being (murder, war, etc) than today.

      The US may be a violent (or maybe even the most violent) nation by today's standards, but it is certainly not anywhere close to being the most violent that ever existed. This is a gross overstatement.

  12. What happened to probable cause? by n0ano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I find most troubling from the article is this:

    "You'd be told only, ‘Be at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle.' And so we'd alert the state police to find an excuse to stop that vehicle, and then have a drug dog search it," the agent said.

    (Bold emphasis mine.) The casual way that a law enforcement agent advocated violating laws relating to probable cause is astonishing. Subconciously I know that they do this but to actually come out in print and admit it is really sad.

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  13. Targets Americans? by msobkow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good.

    Maybe now you'll be as upset as we foreigners are about the NSA surveilling us.

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