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Microsoft Is Working On a Cloud Operating System For the US Government

SmartAboutThings writes "It seems that Microsoft is relying even more on the opportunities provided by the cloud technology. The Redmond behemoth is preparing to come up with a cloud operating system that is specially meant for government purposes. Government agencies already use two of Microsoft's basic cloud products: Windows Azure and Windows Server. But now it seems that Microsoft is working on a modified version of its somewhat new Cloud OS that could bear the name 'Fairfax.' Compared to Windows Azure, the 'Fairfax' cloud operating system would provide enhanced security, relying on physical servers on site at government locations. Given that CEO Steve Ballmer is striving to make Microsoft much more than a powerful software giant, such a project makes sense, especially because it would help in their lobby activities."

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  1. cloud OS ? by etash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you mean like unix was a "cloud" OS and you could connect via dumb terminals to it?

    1. Re:cloud OS ? by Teresita · · Score: 5, Funny

      SpyDrive

    2. Re:cloud OS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Plan9 should be how cloud OS's work. (So wasteful the way it works at the moment).

    3. Re:cloud OS ? by lipanitech · · Score: 2

      Google tried something like this years ago with Google apps for government. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179692/Google_rolls_out_Apps_for_Government_ Google did have quite a few people move over to the cloud system http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/05/10/2014246/boston-replacing-microsoft-exchange-with-google-apps But overall in Google earning reports they have said the product was not a great success. With Microsoft doing a cloud OS maybe but I don't have high hopes for the product.

    4. Re:cloud OS ? by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

      Patently false. Microsoft wrote the original NT kernel, although to be fair a lot of it was based on joint development they did with IBM on OS/2.

    5. Re:cloud OS ? by BonThomme · · Score: 2

      lol, not doubt the PTO would let you patent that

      "Microsoft hired a group of developers from Digital Equipment Corporation led by Dave Cutler to build Windows NT, and many elements of the design reflect earlier DEC experience with Cutler's VMS[16] and RSX-11."

      Not nearly the same as "Microsoft wrote the original NT kernel".

    6. Re:cloud OS ? by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      1) "Cloud"
      2) "Microsoft"
      3) "U.S. Government"


      It's a Slashdot hat-trick!

    7. Re:cloud OS ? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      No, completely believable.

      I am guessing you do not have a lot of experience with federal government IT?

      I have several years of experience with federal government IT. This sort of thing is entirely normal. Federal IT projects tend to be crazy over-budget, and way behind schedule. Then the projects get canceled, and the process starts all over again.

      Follow the money if you want to know what is going on.

    8. Re:cloud OS ? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Cutler and crew worked for Microsoft when they wrote it. Your comment was rather stupid :)

  2. i keep looking for the punchline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    every good joke has a punchline.

    1. Re:i keep looking for the punchline by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently, the new OS is going to be a monolithic Unix-alike called "Ballux" and it's going to take Google and Amazon head on in the cloud space.

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    2. Re:i keep looking for the punchline by colinrichardday · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently, the new OS is going to be a monolithic Unix-alike called "Bollocks" and it's going to take Google and Amazon head on in the cloud space.

      FTFY

    3. Re:i keep looking for the punchline by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      no, ballux was correct, my mistake was:

      Apparently, the new OS is going to be a monolithic Unix-alike called "Bollocks" and it's going to take Google and Amazon chair on in the cloud space.

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    4. Re:i keep looking for the punchline by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep. All the security of Windows, with the availability of Office 365.

    5. Re:i keep looking for the punchline by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

      thats-the-joke.jpg

    6. Re:i keep looking for the punchline by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      you have to give your email address before activating, though

    7. Re:i keep looking for the punchline by sunsurfandsand · · Score: 2

      every good joke has a punchline.

      How's this punchline: "The Red, White, and Blue Screen of Death"?

  3. If it saves money, it has to be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    ... and when the single, centralized mega-host of *every* government system gets compromised...?

    1. Re:If it saves money, it has to be good. by Allnighterking · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You blame it on Snowden..... ;)

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    2. Re:If it saves money, it has to be good. by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      ... and when the single, centralized mega-host of *every* government system gets compromised...?

      Don't worry, it'll be compromised to begin with.

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    3. Re:If it saves money, it has to be good. by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or if you just want to stop paying the yearly shakedown fee...

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    4. Re:If it saves money, it has to be good. by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Then Microsoft is sued out of existence for negligence. Pretty sure that's a win–win by local standards.

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    5. Re:If it saves money, it has to be good. by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      The one thing that "software for money" has yet to proved is the protection of users privacy. What is the shakedown fee imposed by closed source software that guarantees non-disclosure? Today it seems that even if you pay for privacy some for profit business will eagerly take more to reveal information.

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  4. summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Given the fact that CEO Steve Ballmer is striving to make Microsoft much more than a powerful software giant, such a project makes sense"

    So a cloud OS is not software?

    1. Re:summary by masterofthumbs · · Score: 2

      Of course not. Server software is not the cloud, duh! They are just the exact same things but different names. Don't tell the customer though.

    2. Re:summary by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Indeed, but they are billed differently. Server software is a one-off purchase -> you buy it, you own it; cloud software is 'software as a service,' meaning that, among other things, you're renting the software, and paying a monthly bill to boot. Since most companies enjoy a three year upgrade cycle (they may skip upgrades, because they are unnecessary, or they save money), going with the cloud means they are potentially paying more. Now don't get me wrong, there are some benefits to the cloud: 1.) the software you are renting is, no doubt, automatically patched to the latest version (instead of spending 15 minutes once every several months waiting for a patch to install on your machine, this stuff is ready to go), 2.) your data is probably automatically backed up to the cloud (great for people who have no network backup solution, and have zero clue that even Windows has built-in backup functionality), 3.) it gets expensed differently, I'm sure, in terms of Accounting, so it may even not come out of your department's budget.

      So instead of paying $500 / license, upgraded every three years or less, you can pay $40 / month. Granted, after a year and some months, you're totally being sandbagged, but if you allow for depreciation of currency, you might be getting an extra month 'for free.' And yes, if they (the cloud provider) raises rates during this time, you're totally boned -> all your data is on their servers, migrating it to another cloud is probably a painful process, etc.

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  5. Super8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not only Microsoft collaborates with security agencies, any operating system has to be monitored by security agencies such countries.
    You can find basic support possible to protect your privacy (the user) with possible toys and useful free tools.
    But keep in mind that most online services will help close possibly under pressure from governments.
    Greetings. )

    http://amigodlosdebiles.wix.com/noun#!nethatters---netprotectors/cnjk

    1. Re:Super8 by aztracker1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Considering no foreign government, or business should trust Azure hosting, they need this service so the U.S. Government can pay for their damage to Microsoft.

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    2. Re:Super8 by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they'll call the NSA backdoor Shadowfax?

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  6. basically a browser.. by Allnighterking · · Score: 4, Informative

    It will connect to 365 so that everyone can do power points and spreadsheets. Outlook. com for mail, and not much more.

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    1. Re:basically a browser.. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Sharepoint worked really well for sharing those PRISM slideshows - why would they want to change anything?

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  7. Lobby activies by gwstuff · · Score: 2

    A fairer way of rephrasing the last line might be "such a project WOULD make EVEN MORE sense IF it helped them in their lobby activities." The disadvantage being that it begs the question "How does selling software or any products to the government help in lobby activities?"

    1. Re:Lobby activies by gwstuff · · Score: 1

      crude

  8. Windows is the obvious choice for government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since the cloud is for government, microsoft can provide a version without all the logging and backdoors, thus massively faster and less resource-hungry. It will probably run pretty well on a 486.

    1. Re:Windows is the obvious choice for government by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

      Ah..... I remember the days of playing Half Life on a 233Mhz computer with probably 256Mb of ram and not a single hiccup in the graphics. Now days I'm running 1.9 - 2.4 Ghz with 4-6 Gb of ram and my computers seem to have trouble dealing with even simple FPS games with slightly better graphics.

  9. Thanks for the warning... by djupedal · · Score: 1

    As long as I have time to relocate outside the country before it goes online, I'm ok with it.

  10. Re:One True Way, hey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm so glad your post is full of factual information. If it hadn't been for all of those well-researched sources and big tables of actual performance data, I'd almost think you were speaking directly out of your ass.

  11. Good news Pakistan by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Funny

    US will start to replace rones with chairs.

  12. Re:It actually would make sense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " if they attempt to defect to another nation"

    The primary concern of the US government seems to be that NSA employees will defect to the American public. Snowden has been charged with espionage for spying on our behalf, so I think we're officially the enemy.

  13. This is an advance? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't get it. How do they call it "in the cloud" if the servers are located on-site? Isn't that what we started with decades ago –– a server and dumb terminals (er, excuse me, a thin client)? And storage is so cheap these days!

    Yes, it's safer to have everything physically in-house (or securely co-located). But, what I can't fathom is how any of the purchasing-department types and manager-types fall for this "new" setup that offers no advantages. It's just handcuffing your company to that one vendor.


    /CSB: At a former company, upper management studied options for getting off of Lotus Notes, the biggest heap of crap I've ever seen. The conclusion of their expensive study was that, "We can't afford to get off of Lotus Notes. The change-over would be too expensive."

    I think IBM got wind of the study, and raised their price even more for the next renewal.

    1. Re:This is an advance? by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I don't get it. How do they call it "in the cloud" if the servers are located on-site?"

      Carefully. Microsoft believes any sufficiently nebulous implementation is indistinguishable from something patentworthy.

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    2. Re:This is an advance? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft believes any sufficiently nebulous implementation is indistinguishable from something patentworthy.

      Microsoft can't patent The Cloud, so are they already planning for "The Nebula"?

    3. Re:This is an advance? by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A "cloud" is nothing more than a distributed set of clusters coordinated to perform a task or tasks. There is nothing architecturally spectacular about placing some nodes at a customer's own site vs. something like Amazon or IBM clouds where they have data centers scattered around the world.

      The problem is too many people think "cloud" has a specific architectural meaning. It does not. It's more a means of managing VM and physical nodes in groups of clusters, with the capacity for shifting loads and data from node to node at the push of a button (or at the behest of automated tuning and load balancing services.)

      It's not magic.

      Mainframes were doing "cloud" processing in the '80s, and so was VMS. The only difference nowadays is network transport capability has grown to replace the specialized buses those older systems used, and allow for a greater physical distribution of the nodes than those old technologies did.

      Kids.

      They think because someone came up with a new buzzword that they've "invented" something.

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    4. Re:This is an advance? by dkf · · Score: 2

      The real innovation of Cloud is not in the technology, where it is just a bunch of stuff that already existed brought together with some improved networking. The real innovation is in the business models enabled by it, both for providers and customers. Super short-term rent of remote hardware while hiding all the details of what is going on from the downstream consumers? That lets you do all sorts of interesting things that were wholly impractical before. Every time I see someone saying that the Cloud has no innovation, I think to myself "there is someone who is missing the point". It's not about technical innovation (though there's probably some involved), it's about what you can do with it.

      I'm no business type though. I just had the good fortune to be working on a project that was studying business models for distributed computing at the time Cloud took off. (The project had other problems, notably a vastly over-complex architecture, but its business and market studies were sound.)

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    5. Re:This is an advance? by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Again, an old problem with an old solution that "just works."

      X/Open XA

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  14. in short, they want to be IBM by AndroSyn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It sure sounds like Microsoft wants to be like Big Blue, making their big bucks in consulting services. It seems to be working out okay for them, I'm not entirely sure Microsoft however can manage not to shoot themselves in the foot in trying it.

    1. Re:in short, they want to be IBM by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      It's going to get crowded in that channel what with Dell, HP, IBM MS Google, Amazon, etc moving to do the same.

    2. Re:in short, they want to be IBM by rwise2112 · · Score: 1

      IBM created Watson

      And MS created Dr. Watson

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  15. Helping the NSA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, no, although that is interesting.

    It's "Cloud", as in cloudy thinking, I'm guessing. It's cloud in the sense that you aren't allowed to know what the government is doing. It's cloud in the sense that Microsoft is not doing well lately, and is desperate for an easy contract for expensive stuff, paid by taxpayers.

    1. Re:Helping the NSA? by cinky · · Score: 1

      TIL 20+ billion net income and steady growth over the last few years means "not doing well". who is doing well then?

  16. thin client initiative by Gogo0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    there was a document that went out from DoD about two months ago; a thin-client/zero-disk initiative architectural overview. DoD's (public) plan is to transition to a majority thin client IS (information system) inventory by 2020. the servers will be Enterprise assets (meaning, theatre-level) so those at different installations (on-the-ground administrators) will not have a choice. case in point, there are authorized security baselne configurations for redhat, centOS, and other *nixes. there used to be one for Mac, but it was discontinued (dunno why). even when Mac was legally usable on the DoD network, it and *nixes needed waivers and by-hand security configuration out the ass to be usable for any normal work. you dont have your email classification application (ones ive seen were windows-only outlook plugins), no group policy, no HBSS (at the time), etc. you had your choice of operating systems, but everyone used Windows.

    i was very excited to read the DoD overview, we spend way too much money on what are basically the same computers over and over (no functional need to upgrade from the first 64bit core 2 duos we bought years ago aside from product end of life, but that can be worked out with the vendor if the DoD put some effort into it) except for the fact that we keep upgrading to the latest and greatest Windows and then shitting on it with banners, some inane (and some not) security crap, and local clients (HBSS, remote desktop, AV, SCCM, etc...). put a thin client on everyone's desk and instead of a team of soldiers endlessly patching windows vulns that SCCM didnt hit (likely the client shitting itself for no reason), you patch the master image and everyone is GTG. save money, save time (more money).

    god i hope this isnt what theyre settling on for their "thin client"

    1. Re:thin client initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the DOE, we already use Sun/Oracle's SunRay thin clients for this. It works pretty well.

    2. Re:thin client initiative by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      well, don';t worry - now a team of soldiers will be endlessly ensuring the network is in place and working reliably.

    3. Re:thin client initiative by Gogo0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      as a DoD civilian, i manage teams of soldiers and am responsible for their work. this is my problem to deal with when it arrives =\ would prefer to make our network more secure, more sustainable, for less cost (in products and man hours -it is very possible), but from working for the US Govt the past five years and seeing the inner workings, i know that very few people give a shit about saving money or improving processes.

    4. Re: thin client initiative by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Duh! Why would anyone want to bite the hand that feeds?

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    5. Re: thin client initiative by Gogo0 · · Score: 1

      they say they cant afford to pay us to come in five days a week while during that time people are sent back and forth to hawaii (airfare, hotel, per diem) for things a video teleconference could accomplish, among other extravagant wastes of money. its painful to see every day, i genuinely miss the time when i was ignorant to gross government waste of tax dollars.

      and our paychecks are cut 20% by working only four days a week (albeit this iteration is soon to end) for political theatre. if the hand is beating the shit out of you, smart moves are to either bite it or leave, and neither is easy (though im getting close to the latter)

    6. Re: thin client initiative by dkf · · Score: 1

      they say they cant afford to pay us to come in five days a week while during that time people are sent back and forth to hawaii (airfare, hotel, per diem) for things a video teleconference could accomplish, among other extravagant wastes of money

      On the point of video conferencing, it's not quite as good as that. Even leaving aside the technical difficulties (getting volume levels right seems to be the hardest thing) there are other problems. In particular, a video conference is rather more like a teleconference than a meeting in person; there are things that are just much easier to do face to face. It seems to be just how people work socially. What the video conference can do though is reduce the frequency of F2F meetings to the level required for social purposes (one every few months seems to be enough) with interim meetings done via telecommunications.

      The downside is that this encourages management to have more meetings...

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  17. Oh Dear... by presspass · · Score: 1

    Ha hahahahahahahahaha.....

  18. "Cloud Technology" by FuzzNugget · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For fuck's sake, "cloud" is not a technology, it's the latest marketing scam to get everyone relinquish control of their devices and data to the modern equivalent of the mainframe.

    1. Re:"Cloud Technology" by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For fuck's sake, "cloud" is not a technology, it's the latest marketing scam to get everyone relinquish control of their devices and data to the modern equivalent of the mainframe.

      Well of course. How else do vendors expect to monetize your data if it is sitting on your local machine in your posession? Now that computers are a commodity and there isn't any money to be made from selling hardware and software, they need to find something to charge for. In the past they charged you to use their program to create your data. Now they want to charge you to actually store and access your data.

      It has nothing to do with the technology it is all about the money. Well that and the marketing to convince everbody that this is somehow new and better.

    2. Re:"Cloud Technology" by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Marketing it may be, but insanely profitable it will eventually also be.

      It will only take a few scandals of high-level CEOs / Chairmen having their privacy routinely violated, or their new patented drug stolen out from under their noses, for them to decide that they want their data somewhere 'close to home.' If / when this happens...which the tea leaves are pointing to...the cost for re-installation of servers / data centers locally will be quite profitable. As the president of one company I worked for like to state, "never buy anything you can't visit on a few hour's notice"; arguably because you, as a higher-up, need to keep an eye on things, assuming you are actually doing your job.

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    3. Re:"Cloud Technology" by Spottywot · · Score: 1

      Oh and by the way, we can supply the terminals as well. What you don't need a million? Ok, we'll why don't we give you a few spares just in case. (quickly loads trucks full of Surface RT's)

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    4. Re:"Cloud Technology" by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      I have a single node, localised, single user cloud server .... also known as a PC ..

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    5. Re:"Cloud Technology" by quonsar · · Score: 1

      It'll never work. There's no way to reboot the internet every 24 hours.

  19. Re:reruns ? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    I'm not advocating the "cloud", but it should be considered in ones analysis that hardware is a constantly changing playing field and has changed radically since the '70s. Something that was less efficient or inefficient then might be perfectly fine or even desirable in 2013. In the '70s serial data throughput was extremely limited. As that becomes less and less true schemes that were slow then might have no noticeable impact on the systems of today. In some cases one might see a substantial performance improvement, in fact.

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  20. MS and the US Government together? by korbulon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ron Swanson said it best: "Never half-ass two things:. Whole-ass one thing."

  21. Re:It actually would make sense... by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

    " if they attempt to defect to another nation"

    The primary concern of the US government seems to be that NSA employees will defect to the American public. Snowden has been charged with espionage for spying on our behalf, so I think we're officially the enemy.

    Of course US citizens are considered the enemy by the US government. That's been true since at least the 1930s, if not earlier.

    The nice thing about this MS/Fed deal is that the need for people like Snowden will be greatly reduced. If their shiny new system is made by MS, any script-kiddie with Wireshark, Backtrack, etc will be able to pwn it.

    I'm just not looking forward to all the additional v14gr4 and stock spam that will come from places like the FBI, NSA, DoJ, CIA, etc.

    Strat

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  22. Microsoft cloud service with security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Compared to Windows Azure, "Fairfax" cloud operating system would provide enhanced security, relying on physical servers on site at government locations.

    This tells me all I need to know about Microsoft's cloud server solutions. It needs enhanced security to be used by an organization that has data it wants to keep and control access to.

  23. No start menu by jblues · · Score: 1

    Instead of the 'Start' menu, they will have the 'Spy' menu.

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  24. Re:One True Way, hey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    AWS and EC2 are both complete dogshit in terms of I/O and general performance.

    Several things could be going on here:
    A. You're full of shit.

    It's A.

  25. Re:Amazon AWS and EC2 already do this by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    MS Recycle Bin 95 was Apple Lisa Wastebasket 82.

    Well, at least Microsoft was good enough to recycle it, rather than simply bury it in a landfill.

  26. To be named ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... Microsoft Foggy BackOffice.

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  27. And it shall be named... by technix4beos · · Score: 1

    Wind Blows.

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  28. Of course. by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 1

    If things keep going the way they are going, then the US govt will soon be their only customer. So of course they are "working" on this ...

    http://www.zerohedge.com/print/477053

  29. They could call it......SKYNET by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 2

    Like you didn't see that coming.

    1. Re:They could call it......SKYNET by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      that would make for a much shorter movie...

    2. Re:They could call it......SKYNET by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 1

      Microsoft presents Marvin the Paranoid Android!

      Trillian: What are you supposed to do with a manically depressed robot?
      Marvin: You think you've got problems. What are you supposed to do if you are a manically depressed robot? No, don't even bother answering. I'm 50,000 times more intelligent than you and even I don't know the answer.

  30. That is the pathetic trash w/o SSH login, right? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    How these people can claim to make anything that is cloud-worthy is beyond me.

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  31. Re:Named after a dying Australian newspaper co by dbIII · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry that you took me seriously and have embarrassed yourself in this way. I thought the "naming Azure after the blue screen" would be enough for people to work it out, but it appears I need to attach a disclaimer or something.

  32. Working for the government indeed by Camael · · Score: 4, Informative

    As QWest found out the hard way, if you don't cooperate with NSA, you don't get government contracts.

    Here is the background to the story.

    Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants.

    Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its database.

    The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard.

    Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled.

    In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had classified contracts and hoped to get more.

    So, MS gets lucrative government contracts. What does that say?

  33. Skynet by sycodon · · Score: 4, Funny

    How is it possible that the First Post didn't reference Skynet?

    Slashdot is not what it used to be.

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  34. Fairfax? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    I say old bean, looks like you're trying to dash off a missive to an aged aunt. Mind if I give it a bash, what-what?

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  35. we should just save them the trouble by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    you might as well just send the chinese govern^H^H^H^H^H^H rogue hackers a copy of all our files because with microsoft's level of security, they'll have their hands on everything in a few days.

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  36. Clippy as the failsafe to global thermonuclear war by swschrad · · Score: 1

    "I see you would like to stop the missle countdown. May I help?"

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    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
  37. Microsoft going IBM route as service provider? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Both companies still create a lot of hardware and software, but dont make truck loads of money in those sectors any more. Startups are more nimble at exploiting new computing niches. IBMs main revenue is from services.

  38. Re:Named after a dying Australian newspaper co by samwichse · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry you're a sarcastic prig and have to talk down as such. Your comment was obviously a joke, but I thought some people might not be familiar with all the DC suburbs.

    My mistake to try and add to your almighty contribution to humanity.

  39. Re:Named after a dying Australian newspaper co by dbIII · · Score: 1

    I thought it was your mistake to make fun of me by trying to point out my ignorance of something I do not care about, which happens a lot here. I apologise if it was not meant that way.

  40. Re:Named after a dying Australian newspaper co by samwichse · · Score: 1

    NP, shit happens on the internet.

    Sorry if I reacted too strongly as well.