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PS4 Launch Date: November 15th
Today Sony announced the official release dates of the PlayStation 4 console: November 15 in North America and November 29 in Europe. From the article:
"The system will be available for $399/€399/£349 in 32 countries by the end of the year, the company said. The date comes just days before the Black Friday post-Thanksgiving sales, but given the strong pre-order interest for the system already, the PS4 might be hard to find on store shelves in the days after it drops. Sony revealed that one million PS4 systems have already been pre-ordered worldwide. The company notably did not mention a release date or price point for the system's launch in its native Japan."
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not much
i checked best buy trade in and sold my PS3 and xbox 360 with a bunch of games to people at work. total haul was $120. ME3 is $2 trade in at best buy and like $10 if i sold it on ebay before all the fees. and that was my newest game
i'm done with console gaming. never used my PS3 to game, but as a blu ray player. got a Panasonic 3d blu ray player with the cash
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EU price includes VAT, US price doesn't include sales tax, which evens it somewhat.
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There are quite a few US states that have no sales tax at all, so that explanation doesn't quite work. If I wanted the PS4, I can swing past a store in New Hampshire and pick it up for exactly its $399 price tag, no additional taxes.
Then, of course, being the fine upstanding citizen you are, you dutifully pay the sales tax due in your home state on goods purchased outside the state, so that difference probably evaporates. Oh, wait, no one does that. Never mind...
There are other more reasonable reasons why hardware may cost more in the EU than USA. For example, in USA, hardware typically only comes with a 6 months warranty. In Europe, your consumer protection is much much better; for example, it is not limited to month or even 1 year, but can be over a reasonable lifetime of the product, which maybe 3-4 years. Many consumer do not understand this and take out additional insurance covers which are usually unnecessary.
People always complain about stuff being more expensive in Europe and totally overlook import tariffs, VAT, sales taxes and whatever other taxes the various nations of Europe like to assess. The United States demands virtually nothing to import products, which is why a Playstation 4 in the US will cost roughly what it costs in Japan. Sure, we do have sales tax in most States but that, even at it's worst barely exceeds 12%. There's a reason why the United States is a far bigger gaming market than the EU despite similar populations.
For all the taxation and expensive goods Europeans manage to save more than Americans. They're incredibly frugal. They're not embracing a subscription services with restrictive contracts like idiots,they're not obsessed with huge houses or bloated SUVs, they don't incur massive debt to make up for an income they think they deserve.
Socialized healthcare, well-maintained roads and extensive public transit all cost money. I used to think the American way was better. Americans generally have a lot more disposable income but also more personal financial responsibility. Not that I have any delusions that the American government is capable of building social programs. Europe isn't perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better at it than Americans. Unfortunately, consider how wasteful Americans have become.
So yeah, a $550 Playstation 4 would probably be a good thing for many Americans.
In six years your PC will be.
The EU prices include the sales tax (VAT), which is a bit over 20% in most EU countries. That's why they look worse than they are...
You're still getting screwed, but not just by the seller ;).
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What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...
Don't forget that the PS4 does not support backwards compatibility, so if you have any desire to play your PS3 games you might want to hold on to it.
Even forgiving all of the dumb-ass scams Sony has pulled over the years that have alienated me as a customer, the one thing that keeps reminding me why I hate them so much is the forced updates that I have to endure almost every single time I turn on my PS3. I only use the thing a couple of times a month (for movies, usually), and it seems like almost every time I turn it on I need to apply some update, and if I refuse the machine refuses to let me do whatever it is I wanted to do. Why??? Because of this, almost every movie I want to watch on the thing becomes 15-30 minutes of dicking around with updates, rebooting, etc, followed by 90 or 120 minutes of movie. WTF. I've never seen any other product that was so antagonistic towards its user. It's a constant reminder that Sony doesn't give a shit about me and would gladly throw me under a bus if it meant they could make another dollar off me. I'm sure other companies think the same way, but at least most of them have the decency of not being so blindingly obvious about it. Up yours Sony, you can keep your PS4.
Yes. There are, literally, a million of us.
Not on launch day. But at $100 cheaper and Sony management that's at least capable of opening their mouths without immediately sticking their fucking feet in them, I'm a lot more optimistic about their chances in this next gen than Microsoft's. And I say that as a loyal Xbox1 and 360 fan.
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Well don't buy it day-0. It's not like there will be a huge range of titles for it anyway. Same for the XBox One. If they sell well I'm sure Sony / Microsoft will make more of them.
Well, the EU prices include tax(es) (don't forget VAT is 20+% in EU, plus import duties of 20+% as well). Then add in the cost of an extended warranty (because all durable goods have 2 years return-to-store mandatory warranty, sometimes 3 years) and it really comes out even in the end. I think Sony charges $50 for a 2 year extended warranty, too. Other places like Best Buy probably charge more.
So it's $399 US + 20% tax = $480 US + $50 extended warranty = $530 US is what the EU pays, or €395. Not bad. £338, which is close enough at today's rate.
And FYI - € is €, £ is £
No usually. The law says 2 years. (Batteries 6 months)
I used to work at a hardware company that sold extended warranties when the time went from one year to two years. The extended warranties were a nice extra income for the company. When the change to two years came, they just calculated how much less money they would make and upped the prices a little bit and made the same amount of profit in the end.
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I believe the management at Sony proper that was responsible for those issues has been replaced.
Remember over the past few years they have been laying off quite a few employees.
You don't get it. In the US sales tax isn't included in the advertised price. VAT is included in the advertised price.
Europe Base Price = Advertised Price - VAT
American Base Price = Advertised Price
The fact that some states have no sales tax is irrelavant because $399 doesn't include sales tax.
2013 is really the break out year of IOS gaming
lots of strategy war games
xcom, the one that came out on the xbox this year is out for iOS
GTA is out for IOS
a space ship sim
MMO space fighting sims like the old wing commander
the ipad 4 had the power of an xbox 360 and apple is releasing a new version every year. unless you only play battlefield and call of duty, mobile gaming is where gaming is going.
The PS4 lacks backward compatibility so keep it.
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What is a PS3 w/500gb HD worth on trade-in...
Don't forget that the PS4 does not support backwards compatibility, so if you have any desire to play your PS3 games you might want to hold on to it.
PS4 will use Gaikai to provide cloud streaming bullshit for backwards compatibility.
At some point. For some titles. For a fee. For a limited time. In select regions.
I think the problem with the PC argument is that PCs take work. They often have loud fans, need to be updated and administered and they're not really the piece of consumer electronics that a PS3 or X360 is.
That having been said, they also don't require a subscription fee for online play, which both Sony and Microsoft are now doing.
Actually 2 years is the EU minimum, but individual states may grant you more.
For example in the UK the Sale of Goods Act states that products must last a "reasonable length of time". For a laptop computer that is generally five or six years, for a TV say ten years, a car maybe 20 years or at least 200k miles. If it fails before then the vendor (not the manufacturer, the place you bought it from) has to either replace it, fix it or give you a refund. If the product is beyond the two year minimum period the vendor can offer a partial refund based on the amount of use you have had out of it, so a laptop that dies after three years might be due a 60% refund (50% expected lifespan, plus costs the buyer incurred like having to recover data and get it transferred to a new machine).
The key thing to remember is that the law states that the vendor must do all this in a reasonable amount of time. Often they will fob you off by saying that you should contact the manufacturer, but that is their responsibility. Sometimes they will say things like "it was a cheap laptop, you can't expect it to last that long", but you most certainly can. Sometimes they will take a very long time to resolve the issue, but in most cases anything over 28 days will be considered too long by a court and they should refund/replace immediately.
When you adjust for tax products are not significantly more expensive in Europe. Don't believe the hype.
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This year for sure, right?
I'm just dying to replace my Eyefinity setup, eight cores, dual-Radeon HD7950, Cherry MX mechanical keyboard, gigabit ether, gaming mouse and 7.1 surround sound with an...iPad.
I'll get right on that. What I'm really looking for is a platform where I can only play games that Apple Corp has approved.
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