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All-in-Ones Finally Grow Up, With Fast Graphics, SSDs, and CPUs

MojoKid writes "Historically, all-in-one desktop systems like the iMac, HP's TouchSmart and similar designs that incorporate a full system on the backside of a monitor, haven't offered performance that was competitive to their full-sized desktop counterparts. Part of the reason is that many of these systems are comprised of low power notebook platform PC components inside thin chassis designs with minimal airflow. However, as mobile platforms have become more powerful, so has the all-in-one PC. Dell's recently launched XPS 27 Touch, with Intel's Haswell mobile processor and an NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M on board, is an example of a new breed of AIO hitting the market now. The system is based on a 27-inch panel with 2TB of storage, a 32GB SSD cache drive, 8GB of RAM and performance in the benchmarks that keeps pace with average midrange full-sized desktops. You can even game on the machine with frame rates at the panel's 1080p native resolution with medium to high image quality. It's almost like the all-in-one finally grew up."

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  1. What fud by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The imac had decent specs for years.

    The fact is most pcs sold have value oriented junk as only workstations and alienware bother with nice components. Most enthusiasts and gamers build their systens as a result.

    1. Re: What fud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      true, but as this post is obviously a dell commercial, truth doesn't matter too much

    2. Re:What fud by bkmoore · · Score: 2

      If it's smaller, then it must be less powerful, right?

    3. Re:What fud by dfghjk · · Score: 5, Informative

      "fud" stands for "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt". It doesn't mean something you disagree with.

    4. Re:What fud by buddyglass · · Score: 4, Informative

      Case in point: It will cost you an arm and a leg, but you can spec out a 27" iMac as follows:

      3.4ghz quad-core i7 w/ Turbo to 3.9ghz
      32GB 1600mhz DDR3
      3TB "Fusion" drive (HDD/SSD hybrid)
      NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5

      Some cursory googling suggests the 680MX is the higher performing GPU.

    5. Re:What fud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Case in point: It will cost you an arm and a leg, but you can spec out a 27" iMac as follows:

        3.4ghz quad-core i7 w/ Turbo to 3.9ghz
      32GB 1600mhz DDR3
      3TB "Fusion" drive (HDD/SSD hybrid)
      NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2GB GDDR5

      Some cursory googling suggests the 680MX is the higher performing GPU.

      Not to mention that the Mac isn't struck with 1080p. It has 2560 x 1440 at 27".

    6. Re:What fud by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      And likewise you too are spreading the bull, you could also find damned nice PC AIOs you just weren't gonna get one for a bottom of the barrel price at the Wally World. If you'd have went to the business section you'd have found nice AIOs with decent mobile GPUs, decently powerful CPUs, and many with touch support.

      You just have to remember that unlike Apple and their "one size fits all" you have choices when it comes to PCs and you can choose any price point from "cheap and lousy" like the few Intel Atom based I ran into, "cheap but okay" like the Bobcat APU ones that are frankly great for receptionists and similar low intensity jobs, and then there is "midrange and better" and finally "expensive but teh hotness" like the AIO workstations which are pretty kicking. This is one of the reasons I've always preferred the PC side of the street, it lets me choose the right tool for a particular job while letting me save the customer money by not buying more than they need.

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    7. Re:What fud by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Informative

      And that GTX 680MX is still not a high-end card, especially when you're talking about a desktop (which this thing is much closer to). It's about in line with a GTX580 (so two generations out of date by now) for an absurdly higher price tag. You're really paying through the nose to get the styling.

    8. Re:What fud by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Those are freaking fast for AIO and couldceasily trounce both the xboxone and ps4. Sure they are not 7990s in crossfire by any sense of the mean but those are niche and add $1100 to the cost of the system. For even crysis which is the most demanding game you can get by with a 670 gtx or a 7870 just ine. You could also argue a crossfire 7990s are low end too because my $3000 quadro or firepro is soo much better and can support 32 monitors etc.

    9. Re:What fud by Improv · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly right. When I started my current job, I had an iMac sitting on my desk; I was initially skeptical, but as soon as I saw the machine specs (as I was installing Linux onto it), I fell in love; it's a very nice machine, and my workplace had spiced it up further by putting a lot more RAM and disk into it. It's one of the most pleasant desktops I've ever worked with (and the resolution is amazing).

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    10. Re:What fud by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Which is my point.

      The author says all AIO are junk including the imac. Not true but sadly close on the pc side. Since you own a shop I am surprised ypu remend such systems as they are a pain in the ass to repair. Shit Apple is gluing things like batteries to the damn case

    11. Re:What fud by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2

      I wonder if there are multiple XPS 27" Touch, as looking at their site shows a 1440 screen instead of 1080.

      My main concern with all-in-one's though is how easy they are to do maintenance and the minor part-swap. I'm not a fan of how closed the Apple one is: I don't like having to deal with "stickers" if I have to replace the HD or something. And I have no idea of the Dell is similarly annoying.

      I don't need a huge case... but something that I can at least fit my bear-claw hands in when I have to swap a broken part out.

    12. Re:What fud by hedwards · · Score: 2

      The repairability is my main reason for not buying or recommending AIO. Laptops are bad enough, but at least with laptops there's a legitimate reason for it. They need to be small and protable. AIO are kind of questionable as they could just as easily go back to CPUs that lie flat on their side and just change the way that ventilation is done. Set the monitor on top of the CPU and attach clips. There you go. A computer that's very similar to an AIO and a ton easier to repair.

    13. Re:What fud by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 2

      It's a 680M card. The mobile card line is terribly crippled compared to anything you can put in a desktop.

    14. Re:What fud by peragrin · · Score: 2

      That's just it how often do you actually repair machines?

      The average person just buys another one anyway when it stops working. If the average components last 3- 5 years by the time you shell out parts you might as well have gotten a new machine anyways.

      Or a car analogy. When your at 300,000 miles and your second engine you might as well give it up and upgrade to something a bit newer.

      I used to love to build my own. but I actually value my time. if I charge myself a decent hourly rate for building and OS installation then building it myself isn't cheaper.

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    15. Re:What fud by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a rule, yes. Basically bigger system = better cooling. Airflow, heat exchangers, etc are all very much volume dependent.

      Generally speaking (and oversimplified) if you can halve the power consumption (=heat generation) of the CPU, GPU, etc. then you have two options:
      1) Smaller - halve the capacity of the cooling system, roughly halving the minimum volume of the device.
      2) Faster - double the number or power of chips, roughly doubling the performance at the same minimum device volume.

      Of course if your desktop system uses a standard full-sized case and motherboard then there's probably lots of "wasted" space that can be trimmed - basically trading expandability and ease of maintenance for a more compact form factor. Once you're down to an compact motherboard and case though you can't really get much smaller without sacrificing cooling capacity. You could push things a little farther by doing away with upgradable, standards-compliant components in favor of custom-engineered solutions, but that increases costs and probably isn't worth it in most applications - once the cooling system becomes a major portion of the volume your options for further size reductions start being severely limited.

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    16. Re: What fud by MojoKid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ummm... FUD? You're using that term incorrectly. So where's the fail? If I was trying to create fear uncertainty and doubt it must have been with you.

      And we've seen AIOs from many manufacturers for years, which couldn't get out of their own way, in terms of what power users need performance-wise. iMac are a minor exception. They've had somewhat better specs but not SSD caches and 2GB GGDR5 enabled, seriously strong graphics like the new GeForce GT 750M. In fact, as I look at Apple's iMac load-out page now, I see last gen graphics mostly with 512MB configs.

    17. Re:What fud by Teckla · · Score: 2

      The imac had decent specs for years.

      Except for graphics, unless you spent a lot more. (iMac owner here.)

      Fortunately, Apple seems to be putting decent graphics into the base level iMac now, but that certainly was not the case for years.

    18. Re: What fud by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      And we've seen AIOs from many manufacturers for years, which couldn't get out of their own way, in terms of what power users need performance-wise. iMac are a minor exception. They've had somewhat better specs but not SSD caches and 2GB GGDR5 enabled, seriously strong graphics like the new GeForce GT 750M.

      Most PCs in any form factor fifn't have all that until very, very recently!!!

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    19. Re:What fud by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      " Basically bigger system = better cooling. Airflow, heat exchangers, etc are all very much volume dependent."

      Wrong, it's surface area then airflow dependent. Since the heat exchange happens pretty much in a layer 0.0001" on the surface of the heat conducting material, large volume isn't needed, large surface area is.

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    20. Re:What fud by Khyber · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, not even close. The 680M, while supposedly on par performance with a 580 according to notebookcheck (the physical specs on the cards makes me seriously doubt that given the 680M has roughly double the core count and about 300 gflops higher theoretical performance than the desktop 580) is still quite a top-notch mobile GPU.

      Terribly crippled? Physically speaking, the 680M is just a typical desktop 670 chip with lower power consumption.

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    21. Re:What fud by buddyglass · · Score: 3, Informative

      The article original article seemed to suggest that the Dell 27" AIO system represents something "new" in terms of AIO's encroaching on desktop performance levels. That's why I pointed out the 680MX in the iMac. It's not a high-end part when compared to desktop GPUs, but it's superior to the part in the Dell system that was the subject of the article.

    22. Re: What fud by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering that the iMacs have been far and away the best-selling AIOs on the market pretty much since the first iMac was introduced, calling it a "minor exception" seems like a bit of tunnel vision. While they've never been the cutting-edge powerhouses that the Power Mac/Mac Pro have usually been, the iMac line has always included configurations with very respectable "desktop-grade" specs, especially as of the dates when new models are released. (The current line-up is about a year old, which might explain why it seems so "last year".) I know plenty of visual-arts professionals who've used iMacs as their primary work machines for years, a phenomenon that has contributed to the persistent (but evidently incorrect) rumors that Apple was abandoning the Mac Pro line as superfluous.

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    23. Re:What fud by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Er? If Ford had a recall on your car, would you complain you had to take it to the dealership and hand it over to them? Even if it was for something that you could do, for Ford (and Apple), they have to ensure that the repair was done.

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    24. Re:What fud by gman003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not really.

      I use a 660M. It's basically a desktop 650 with a bit of an underclock. The 670MX is basically an underclocked 660, the 675MX is a 670MX with a wider memory bus, the 680M is basically an underclocked 670, and the 680MX is basically an underclocked 680. Now, these underclocks can be rather significant - 25% in some cases. But with the way clock speeds affect power consumptions, that means you're getting 75% the graphics power for 50% the electrical power. Sounds like a good thing, when it comes to laptops.

        Hell, if you're willing to lug around a massive system and drop a few grand on it, you can get SLI laptops - dual 680MX. That's within spitting distance of a top-of-the-line 690. And that's not even getting into the 7xx series, because those are still coming out.

    25. Re:What fud by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Um the OP said this:

      Apple offered to replace my hard drive for free due to some recall a year ago so I did that simply because they offered. That took a day. Big deal. One day out of four years.

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    26. Re: What fud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, and the iMac *HAS* had SSD caching for over a year now - the much better "Fusion Drive" implementation, even.

      As for the "seriously strong graphics" of the 750M?

      According to NotebookCheck, the 750M is:

      Depending on clock speed and memory configuration, the GT 750M performs slightly above the GT 650M or GTX 660M. The fastest models with GDDR5 may even match the GTX 670M.

      Oh, look at that, the current iMac offers, as its minimum spec on the 27" model, a GTX 660M. And "may even match" the 670M, while the high-end iMac offers the 675MX, with the 680MX as an option. So sorry, even this new Dell doesn't reach the *LAST GEN* iMac that is about to be replaced with something faster.

  2. Usage Enforcer Time by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing is "comprised of" anything else. The word you are looking for is composed. An computer comprises components. Components compose or "make up" a computer.

    If enough people misuse a word long enough, that becomes the new meaning.

    1. Re:Usage Enforcer Time by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nothing is "comprised of" anything else. The word you are looking for is composed. An computer comprises components. Components compose or "make up" a computer.

      If enough people misuse a word long enough, that becomes the new meaning.

      Oh, the irony!

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    2. Re:Usage Enforcer Time by craigminah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems not spelling words correctly, misusing words, and poor grammar are so common our language will be forever changed. I see this on TV shows, magazines, newspapers, etc. The other day they were talking on a news show about how teachers in a school district won't correct mistakes on student's homework so long as they explain why they answered the way they did. I for one am sick of this culture of "nobody's wrong, we're all right, we're all winners." It's not going to help our society and will destroy us in the long run.

    3. Re:Usage Enforcer Time by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      I for one am sick of this culture of "nobody's wrong, we're all right, we're all winners." It's not going to help our society and will destroy us in the long run.

      Well, that's a false equivalence. You're conflating the "nobody's wrong" anti-aggression/anti-competition feminist agenda with that of communication protocol tolerance. While I agree that competition and even a bit of aggression are healthy components of society -- indeed boys are falling behind in the new non-competitive environments, and even simply challenging them with "betcha can't do X" causes them to perform better than positive reinforcement; Yet teachers are foolishly fearful of fostering competition... I don't agree that communication tolerance is inherently bad. As with anything, moderation is key.

      Ever use a search engine? Of course not, you just type the exact URL to the places you want to go every time... Or maybe not? Maybe you think advancements in natural language processing where the meaning is more important than the precise syntax would be neat, eh? I know I do. In fact, many of my machine learning systems have overcome the minor grammatical and spelling errors -- A great benefit since they can still know what I mean even with a bit of noise in the signal.

      You must realize the truth. Language is a shitty lossy compression of your thought patterns. Soon we may have wireless inductive thought protocols for direct mind to mind conversation. In the meantime it's the meaning that matters in the message, not the way its messaged. While even a simple neural network with tiny fraction of your processing power has mastered the meaning extraction and all but eliminated halting due to syntax errors, you sit here balking at minor mistakes like a damned dumb BASIC prompt. You've got a fucking brain, stop wasting it!

    4. Re:Usage Enforcer Time by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are no assinine rules of English spelling... because there are no rules to English spelling. The Oxford crew built up a dictionary of observed spellings, not attempting to impose any order, then suddenly everyone took them as canonical. Before the OED, there was no standardised orthography, but most writers were at least internally consistent -- the OED inadvertently broke the language fundamentally by describing a hodge-podge of different and inconsistent regional and personal styles.

      I'd love to see a genuinely consistent English orthography evolve, but most people who propose attempting it impose a particular dialectal model...

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    5. Re:Usage Enforcer Time by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      Using the wrong word should be corrected if it changes the meaning (such as comprise versus compose), even if you don't deduct points for it. That's how people learn what words mean. If you don't correct mistakes, those who do not know will define what words mean and the ability to understand the older meanings will be more quickly lost. In an English class, correct writing is always part of the subject matter, so every mistake should be noted.

    6. Re:Usage Enforcer Time by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      I doubt you would comprehend.

  3. Do you remember the first All-In-Ones? by jabberw0k · · Score: 2

    They were every bit as full-featured as component systems. I'm thinking the Intertec Superbrain or my personal favorite, the Heathkit H89. Writing Heathkit software put me through college in the 1980s.

  4. Advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess that lab full of 2 year old existing Dell AOIs we have running liquid dynamics simulation software with tons of RAM and high-end Core i7s is just my imagination. This is a Dell advertisement in disguise under the cover of linking to a third party review. Products like this come out every week, why aren't they here? They're just as relevant as this thing.

  5. Best buys? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The submission and linked "story" read like ad copy from Dell. That said, all in ones and midrange laptops have long been best buys in the computing world because all the peripherals that you would otherwise have to pay extra for (and cable to your PC) are built in. It's been the case for years that high-end graphics cards are only worth the money for gamers, video composers, crackers and more recently, gene sequencers.

  6. The Power of a Midrange Desktop PC by ItMustBeEsoteric · · Score: 3, Informative

    For only $2100. What a steal!

  7. Not a story. by redback · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an advert.

    1. Re:Not a story. by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      This is an advert.

      The real question is, was Timothy told to put the story up by his bosses, i.e. Slashdot is consciously trying to stick in advertising, or he he JUST THAT STUPID.

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  8. At last by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 4, Funny

    When the hero shoots out the bad guy's monitors and the computers stop working, it will make sense.

  9. If I use the Disable Advertising button... by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...will this "story" go away?

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  10. Glossy touchscreen? No VESA mount? by Ptur · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No thanks...

  11. Eliminates clutter by sk999 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I bought an HP all-in-one a few years ago to replace a traditional floor tower, monitor and external speakers. With most things being built in, plus the integrated wireless, I eliminated 10 cables, 2 external boxes, and one power brick. A full-featured laptop could also have worked, but it is nice to have the big screen, and I leave it on all the time anyway.

    1. Re: Eliminates clutter by mspohr · · Score: 2

      Your computer will be obsolete a long time before the expensive built in monitor but you'll have to trash them both together.

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  12. It's a friggin' laptop by garyoa1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The AI1's are essentially a laptop with a stand and no cover. Have fun upgrading it or fixing it when there's an internal problem. Twice the money for half the computer. Sounds like an idea Apple would come up with. Oh... wait...

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  13. Tablet PCs are Better by MatthiasF · · Score: 2

    I like the idea of an all-in-one computer, but making them look like a monitor (with a stand and such) is a waste of the form factor.

    Units that are designed to resemble tablets, with no stand or a retractable stand, can be used in more variety than units like this Dell be advertised by the article.

    Take a look at Lenovo's Horizon 27 inch or Sony's Vaio Tap 20.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ideacentre-horizon-27-review-all-in-one,3564.html

    http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-Desktop,-20-inch,-Tap-20,-VAIO-Touch,-VAIO-Desktop,-Core-i5,-Windows-8,-3rd-gen-Intel,-touch-display,-all-in-one,-touchscreen/en/p/SVJ20217CXW

    Both can be laid flat, the Lenovo unit can be angled well by it's strong spring stand from 90 degrees down to 5 degrees of the desk making it comfortable to lean over and use to draw. It also comes with a suite of games that can be played while it's flat, from board games to billiards or air hockey.

    I think all-in-ones should be going this direction. The instances where they will be used typically in this form factor will not require their screen site to get larger and their performance is easily enough to handle almost anything typical these days, so the disadvantage of not being able upgrade individual pieces of the hardware (screen or internals) is moot.

  14. Re:Toss in a battery by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    They do, it's called the small ups under the desk.
    I'd rather use that than a built in battery any day.

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  15. Not only that by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

    It's an advert for a low spec computer presented as if it was high spec. 32G of flash storage? Come on, my phone has more than that. 27" and only 1080p? That's a 22" resolution, at 27" you'd expect it to be 2600*1600 or something equivalent. 8G ram? Try running anything "high spec" with that.

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  16. Re:Hole betwen Mac mini and Mac Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much of iMac's sales are due to this?

    Very few. if the only reason you were buying a mac was "to develop ios or mac os applications," chances are you'd go with a mini + kvm switch (or headless mini with vnc). It's cheaper, it's plenty powerful for running xcode & associated tools, and you don't need all the other "stuff" if you've got an existing monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. etc. - you'll save space, and money. The "huge hole" you seem to think exists is largely covered by the mini if you don't need the kvm stuff.

    other PC makers haven't really tried AIO until Windows 8 brought an expectation of multitouch input to desktop operating systems.

    Funny, in Mojokid's response, he asserted that, "And we've seen AIOs from many manufacturers for years, which couldn't get out of their own way, in terms of what power users need performance-wise. iMac are a minor exception."

    So... iMacs are a minor exception to all of the the poorly-performing AIO PCs "from many manufacturers" over the years, but then you claim there haven't been any AIO PCs over the years, since Apple killed competition by suing somebody for making a complete ripoff of the iMac. This would mean they're the only real AIO game in town until recently, and they've had good performance, giving the lie to the "AIO's have never performed well" claim?

    Jesus, you fucks really will tie yourself in knots before you admit that Apple has ever done anything well.