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AMD Next-Gen Kaveri APU Shipments Slip To 2014
MojoKid writes "The story around AMD's upcoming Kaveri continues to evolve, but it's increasingly clear that AMD's 3rd generation APU won't be available for retail purchase this year. If you recall, AMD initially promised that Kaveri would be available during 2013 and even published roadmaps earlier in May that show the chip shipping in the beginning of the fourth quarter. What the company is saying now is that while Kaveri will ship to manufacturers in late 2013, it won't actually hit shelves until 2014. The reason Kaveri was late taping out, according to sources, was that AMD kept the chip back to put some additional polish on its performance. Unlike Piledriver, which we knew would be a minor tweak to the core Bulldozer architecture, Steamroller, Kaveri's core architecture, is the first serious overhaul to that hardware. That means it's AMD's first chance to really fix things. Piledriver delivered improved clock speeds and power consumption, but CPU efficiency barely budged compared to 'Dozer. Steamroller needs to deliver on that front."
I don't like Intel lack of PCI-e in the i5 and lower range i7.
also where are the nexgen higher end i7's with QPI?
An unnecessarily overpowered chip will be delayed, so more of the hardware features no one asked for will be delivered to a market that usually works in symbiosis with the Microsoft inefficiency treadmill but is now being destroyed entirely by that same company.
The new Kaveri APU is so fast I came back in time to post first!
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I like AMD now for budget builds. I loved AMD when they were smacking intel. However, this line of chip names has to end soon. There just that many more cool sounding pieces of heavy construction equipment.
The New Phenom VIII x16, based on Suction Excavator technology!
or
From the new Skip Loader core comes the AMD Skippy x8!
or
Our new Pipelayer core provides all the uumph you need to penetrate difficult projects.
These just don't have the same ring.
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AMD and to a lesser extent, Intel, are misreading the mass market. What everybody else except those hardcore GamerZ (rhymes with lamers) want isn't more "powerful" desktop systems that consume enough watts to power a third world household with room to spare but more power efficient APUs, aka SoCs or systems on a chip. I know Intel can do it, but they simply don't want to cannibalize their sales of power inefficient high-end chips. So the typical user is stuck with desktop computers that simply have too much juice for their Twittering, Facebrowsing and Youtubating. I'll probably abandon my AMD desktop altogether for a quadcore ARM if I can find one with good FOSS graphics support. As it is, it's the abysmal opensource graphics support that's keeping me on the x86 koolaid.
The AMD APUs really are a great melding of price vs performance. Sure Intel has faster CPUs, but they're also more than twice as much! The highest end APU is $150, and the highest i7 is $340. The i7 will have higher CPU performance, but most games aren't CPU bound, they're GPU bound. The AMD APUs have decent GPUs. They won't replace your high end GPU if you're playing Battlefield at 1080p, but if you're a mid-level gamer they perform great. Plus you can always add a decent GPU for $150 and you're still less than that 4700 i7!
This has been known for a couple months or three months, and even then was not a big surprise as the original target was "H2 2013" with no commitment.
Sure Intel has faster CPUs, but they're also more than twice as much! The highest end APU is $150, and the highest i7 is $340.
This just in: high-end line of one company is more expensive than lower-priced low-to-mid-tier option of other company. The AMD APUs are comparable to the i3s and i5s.
Comparing most expensive chips isn't fair or useful. Intel's most expensive chips can cost a lot more because AMD doesn't have anything competitive.
A AMD FX-8350 costs $200. In Intel land, a i5-3750 is the right cost equal, at about $215. Intel's lead is so large that even a previous generation unit from their line up is approximately equal performance to AMD's current models. Which of those two is faster depends on the benchmark.
At the $100 end of the market, there are a few really cheap models where AMD has a price performance lead over Intel. But the minute you get to even $200, they are at best evenly matched. And Intel's built in HD graphics chips are getting better fast enough that even the AMD APU models won't have a lead at any price level for much longer.
The AMD APUs really are a great melding of price vs performance....
Even though I loath the 70% gross margin that Intel insists on. They have http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI5MTI 20-30 people working on Linux Drivers vs 5 from AMD. There is more than one way to measure bang for buck. That said when I buy a separate graphics card it will be AMD.
How about a decent Linux driver for once.
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I went to go upgrade my quad core FX last year, in order to get the 8 core I needed a new fan (cause the ones amd ship are a joke ... they keep it cool, running at 6k rpm and loud as a jet) and a new power supply
by the time I bought those two things I was at the price of a 3770k and still didnt get close to performance .. bought intel
until AMD can get their power to power ratio in line they are just not worth looking at in the mid to upper end, and no one cares about the low end, go get yourself a 99$ off lease core2 duo, why not, its got about the same power consumption and is still slightly faster chip than what AMD has in the low end market
FX-8350 is 180$, I just bought one. That is, the price difference is 20%, but the comparable motherboard was about 40$ cheaper with AMD. In the 180-220$ range of processors, 75$ is nothing to sneeze at.
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I hope that AMD fixed the bugs with the APU so they aren't doomed to repeat them. There is a well known bug that if your display goes to sleep while graphical acceleration is being used, you get a flickering effect whenever hardware acceleration is again activated. This alone is enough to make me leary of AMD as trying to get it fixed until I found a workaround was passing the buck to the max. AMD to manufaturer and back over and over blaming drivers, the chip, the thermal control, the bios, the OS, etc. Just got suck of it and I'm not sure I trust AMD anymore because of that and the other problems from the past.
the highest i7 is $340
The fuck you smoking? Intel's highest-end CPUs go for over $1000. Their entry-level i7's go for ~$300.
According to Tomshardware an Icore3 can fucking beat that 8 core. Especially in Skyrim and Crysis.
FYI I am typing this on an AMD phenom II sadly as I am not an intel troll. The FX really is a crappy chip and there is no sense trying to defend it as the people who play games or do any graphics work use dedicated graphics anyway. The intel integrated crap is fine for Office work and web browsing in this day and age.
Here is hoping this next generation one fixes the problems.
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damnit. and i was hoping to get some good I/O (2 gigabit, SATA6 and usb3, etc.) ...
and virtualization tech with low power usage soon
i need a board with lots of RAM and oodles of connectors.
i want the main-board with connected peripherals to look like a
japanese radioactive mutant octopus with 16, pls?
srsly, it'll be a SATA6 to gigabitLAN converter for me.
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Throw in motherboard and ram and possibly graphics card in that mix and picking that CPU vs the Intel one make less of a difference.
For me personally I need to get a new HDD, PSU, want to get a case and need a new monitor to.
Reason to pick AMD? None.
Are there really that many people playing Skyrim and Crysis? Particularly playing those games with low graphic settings in order to not be GPU limited? A lot of my clients still have Core 2 duo or Phenom II and don't need more power. Even worst, a lot of their employees still have P4 at home and see no reason to upgrade. Also, considering the Xbox One and the PS4 both have an AMD processor (and not a fast one), it's kind of obvious there is very little use of a Core i7 for most people, even for gaming.
Personally, I think it's a shame we can't buy something like a 70$ Athlon II X3 anymore, because with its ECC memory support, it was is the perfect desktop machine for regular people. I did buy a Xeon e3-1230 for myself, but it's a waste of money for most people. I'd say it was even a waste of money for myself.
The only place where I clearly recommend Intel is for laptops, where heat and power consumption is important.
you will have to spend that extra 75 bucks on cooling and a power supply though so you really end up spending about the same for a lower performing chip
that's what kind of happened to me, havent had an intel system since the pentium 1, went to go upgrade / make a new box, so getting a new mb and video card anyway, both the AMD and INTEL gigabyte brand motherboards were 80ish bucks, the 8 core AMD was cheaper, but knowing from my quad core I instantly needed a 40$ fan cause the OEM fans work, but sound like a jet engine under the slightest load (clocked it at 6,000 rpm, little 60mm thing) and my 600 watt corsair was about 120 watts underpowered to sustain the cpu and video card.
so boom instantly my cpu costs were the same as a i7 3770K, which is faster than the 8 core 4ghz FX, and leaves almost 100 watts of breathing room on my 600 watt supply.
intel won that battle hands down
the FX is pretty garbage, I have a FX4170, and its noticeably better than my old phenom II 720, it can outrun an i5 in daily operations, it cant hold a candle to the i7
most disappointing AMD chip I have ever bought
Intel fabs process technologies run 1 to 1.5 years ahead of TSMC, and Global Foundaries runs 6 months to a year behind TSMC. Since AMD is contractually obligated to take a huge number of GloFo wafers they need as much low end business as they can get. I bet dollars to donuts that this slip was caused by moving Kaveri from GloFo to TSMC. I wish GloFo would go bankrupt already instead of dragging AMD down the drain with them.
The boxed processor I bought (FX4300, quad @ 3.8ghz OC'd to 4.1ghz) is using the stock AMD HSF that it came with. It usually runs around 42C and gets up to maybe 53-54C under a load that pegs all 4 cores (movie encoding, which I often do).
At no point is the CPU fan ever even audible. The only thing I can hear other than some HDD whine is the PSU fan on my Antec Neo Eco 520.
And how are you getting that the AMD processor uses 220w more than the Intel? The Bulldozer TDP is 125w (AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz). The i7 3770K is 77W. And AMD rates at peak while Intel rates at average.
Even with the beast of an nVidia card I have in there the 520w PSU is more than enough. Sounds like you just want there to be price parity for some reason. AMD is cheap, they do it well, it's their niche.
The AMD branded cooler master that came with mine in the amd box never had a problem keeping things cool, but it was so damn loud my wife complained about it from across the apartment 2 rooms down the hall
TDP has little to do with how much power a CPU sucks out of the supply, the 8 core 4.2 ghz under full load will suck almost 300 watts of power
my 4170 quad sucks down 198 watts and my old ATI6870 sucks 247 under full load so without thinking about motherboard, fans, optical disk's, shit plugged into the ports, hard drive or goofy lights I am at 445, so just plopping in a new CPU breaks my power budget
sounds like you just dont know what your doing
The AMD APUs really are a great melding of price vs performance. Sure Intel has faster CPUs, but they're also more than twice as much! The highest end APU is $150, and the highest i7 is $340. The i7 will have higher CPU performance, but most games aren't CPU bound, they're GPU bound. The AMD APUs have decent GPUs. They won't replace your high end GPU if you're playing Battlefield at 1080p, but if you're a mid-level gamer they perform great. Plus you can always add a decent GPU for $150 and you're still less than that 4700 i7!
This is why my next machine will be an AMD APU. While I have a standalone card now, if it dies I'd likely just move to using the APU alone. I don't think it'd present a major problem, especially whenever it is I upgrade. They're only getting better.
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Something's wrong with your wattage figures, like you're taking the whole system's power use when stressing the CPU with a burn program, likewise with the GPU (with something like Furmark)
The point still stands, but to me the more annoying point is paying for the electrical utility bill.
To min/max the game what you need to do is build an Intel system with a lowest end mobo (around $50), Intel 3770 or 4770 or 4570, a good 300W or 350W PSU, stock cooler, max it out at 16GB. You can't run your 4170 on a low end mobo (or you suffer throttling, or are stuck at 800MHz), while the Intel system will be 100% stable due to not using much power.
agreed, that's why my most recent build was an i7 3770K, in the middle high end AMD just cant wrangle the numbers, and in the low end no one cares whats in their 299 walmart machine
The boxed processor I bought (FX4300, quad @ 3.8ghz OC'd to 4.1ghz) is using the stock AMD HSF that it came with. It usually runs around 42C and gets up to maybe 53-54C under a load that pegs all 4 cores (movie encoding, which I often do).
Here's a dirty little secret about the "temperatures" that are reported by AMD (and probably Intel) processors. They are *not* calibrated against anything. You can't say that the processor runs at 53-54C with any certainty (it can be +/- 10% or more when compared to a calibrated sensor), all you can say is that it runs about 11-12C warmer under load then idle.
Very few temperature sensors inside of PCs are calibrated. You can have multiple sensors, all within an inch of each other, all taking the same airflow, and one will report a 5C difference.
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1) AMD highest end APU is not 150$, it's 330$. With tiers all the way down.
2) If GPU bound, you can get an i5 for 100$ less or an i3 for even less, and put that towards a GPU.
3) Games are also mostly limited to 1 core more or less. Making about 7 of AMD's cores more less useless in this regard.
AMD are not great price vs performance. AMD ARE good at price at the low end. If you are building a basic machine on the cheap, AMD is your chip right now (or a business server). However if you wish to use it for any gaming, don't waste your time.
Actually more relevant to this conversation, are the integrated graphics on each offering for entry level laptops without a dedicated video card. Both have made big (well relatively speaking) improvements to integrated graphics. Since MOST laptops fall within this category, and the popularity to which laptops seem to be happening over desktops, this metric is one that won't be trivial for very much longer.
I think a FX6300 is half decent, esp. if you want to play with virtualisation with Vt-d. You had the worst of the bunch with that FX 4100.