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Gut Bacteria In Slim People Extract More Nutrients
Beeftopia writes "Researchers discovered that inserting gut bacteria from obese people into mice without gut bacteria led to the mice becoming obese. Gut bacteria from slim people inserted into the same mice did not lead to mouse obesity. The researchers concluded (abstract) that gut bacteria from the slim people were more efficient at extracting nutrients from food than those of the obese."
This is a FIAF thing..
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2007/12/fiaf-whos-fat-is-it-anyway.html
It's not that they're better at extracting nutrients, it's that they influence the body to expend more or less enery. The nutrient extraction is a side effect.
I do wish researchers would read the relevant literature before jumping to conclusions.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
"However, the diet was also important for creating the right conditions for the lean twin's bacteria to flourish. A bacterial obesity therapy seems unlikely to work alongside a a diet of greasy burgers."
Guess what, proper diet still required. /surprise.
I decide how much to eat and when, thus maintaining a healthy BMI and I get out and exercise frequently.
BTW it's Friday, time for my customary run to the beer fridge.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
We need more butt fucking with thin women to spread gut bacteria!
So I'm chubby because I have socialist bacteria in me? I'm gonna hafta swallow a little Fox News TV for the buggers.
Table-ized A.I.
I'm not fat. I'm just more efficient at extracting nutrients than you.
So you're the reason the bottle says "for external use only" on it...
From my understanding of the article, more efficient gut bacteria convert food into forms more readily burned and less stored as fat.
Have gnu, will travel.
even with 200+ miles on a bike a week I won't go below that.
Math doesn't argue, you're taking in what you burn in Calories. You are not keeping that weight on by inhaling too much air.
When I rode a road bike I was always around 165. Now I'm about 190, but don't get that level of aerobic workout anymore. But I remember well how much I ate and how I went to bed hungry so I wouldn't be towing a 5 extra pounds of lard up some of the California hills.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
So the mice became obese after being injected with gut bacteria from obese people. But the mice that were injected with gut bacteria from non-obese people did not. Or put another way, before the injection the mice were not obese, and after the injection the mice were still not obese. Since those mice experienced no change whatsoever, it makes no sense to conclude that the non-obese bacteria is more efficient at extracting nutrients. If that was the reason for the change, shouldn't there be some difference after the injection of the non-obese bacteria?
No. It's antibiotics. Blaming it on hand cleaner is like running your AC, but complaining about how much charging your cell phone is running up your electric bill.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/antibiotics-may-help-make-you-fat-studies-show-958812
Could antibiotics make you fat?
Two studies this week suggest that using antibiotics may save people’s lives, but could also change their metabolisms. Put together, the studies suggest that taking antibiotics might alter digestion to help people absorb calories from food they normally would be unable to digest.
Every human carries pounds of microorganisms that we couldn’t live without. They break down food and extract nutrients like Vitamin K for us. Antibiotics will kill some of these beneficial organisms, which is why so many doctors now tell patients to eat yogurt after taking a course of the drugs, to replace some of the good guys.
Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, religion destroys spirituality
Here's a clue: [rant deleted]: you eat too much and never exercise.
To quote the article:
Mice with the obese twin's bacteria became heavier and put on more fat than mice given bacteria from a lean twin - and it was not down to the amount of food being eaten.
Next please....
By careful work with mice, their experiment does indeed demonstrate causation. It was a very clever series of experiments, which is probably why it was accepted into the journal Science. Step back a bit and think: how likely is it that reviewers for Science--probably some of the world's top scientists--missed something as basic and as obvious as correlation != causation?
By the way, this subject seems to generate an angry, viceral reaction for you. Why is that? Does your self-worth revolve around feeling superior to fat people?
Actually, yes. I didn't say it was THE reason, I said it was a reason. You're suggesting that there's only one reason for being overweight. The study referenced above disputes that argument. Please note that I am in no way saying that leading a sedentary lifestyle and eating too much or the wrong things are also causes of obesity. Obviously they are, and major ones. But the data seems to suggest that it's more complicated than that.
It has long been recognized in farming that parasites keep animals thin. Same for people. Gee!
In evolution, one of the biggest threats to humans was starvation. So, what we consider a fat-causing problem these days probably used to be a big evolutionary advantage at some point.
So if I cut open a skinny person and eat their entrails, I will lose weight?
who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
Is fatness a sign of inefficiency or efficiency?
If I went back 50 thousand years and saw two guys... a fat guy and a skinny guy... which would I assume was more prosperous? The association of fatness with poverty, ill health, etc is a modern association born of our great resources.
A man that needed 10,000 calories a day simply to survive could live in our society rather easily. However, 50,000 years ago he'd be a dead man.
Today, the standard of health is not what it was in our genetic past. That is not to say that the standard is wrong or that people that are skinny are TODAY healthier. However, implying that the fat people have less efficient digestive systems implies that somehow people are getting fat while extracting less from their food. Well... how did they get fat then?
Its possible I'm reading the wrong things into this and they're implying that the fat people NEED to eat more to get their base nutrition which leaves them with excess empty calories which leads to obesity. However, the experiment said they fed both sets of mice the same food. Which means Mouse 1 got fat on food X and Mouse 2 did not. Well where did those extra calories the skinny mouse got go if not into fat? Me thinks the little stinker pooped them out which doesn't seem like efficiency.
Possibly the solution here is to have a LESS efficient digestive system. Lots of dieting drugs effectively do that. I think there was one that made it hard for people to metabolize fat. It worked apparently... but had the unfortunate side effect of causing people to lose bowl control as an oily mess exploded from their rectums. I tried to put that both accurately and maturely... but... its not easy.
Look, I'm just pointing out the logical incongruity here of saying that a more efficient digestive system leads to a skinny mouse. That makes no sense.
In any case, great research... I await the bacterial transplants that will let us all eat like pigs while still looking smoking in our bathing suits.
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