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Letter to "Extended Family" Assures That NSA Will "Weather This Storm"

An anonymous reader writes "The National Security Agency sent a letter to its employees, affiliates and contractors to reassure them that the NSA is not really an abusive and unchecked spying agency engaged in illegal activity." Whatever you think of the commentary, you can read the original, attached to the linked story.

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  1. And I have a 3 foot long penis by ameyer17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, though, just because you say it doesn't make it true.

    1. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This sounds more like they're saying "Don't worry, everything is fine. The US people are too spineless to jeopardize and of our business arrangements."

    2. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually a lot of what they do IS illegal, and not really debatable. When the Congress people who voted on the Patriot act and supported its renewal say what the NSA doing isn't allowed in the bill they passed that would be your first indication. The lying to judges to be allowed to continue should be your second clue. Then there is every time Obama or his people come out and say "what you are not seeing is abuse of power by the NSA" and the next day Snowden releases thousands of examples of illegal abueses should be the final nail in showing its illegal.

      What you are attempting to do is spin it that this was all perfectly legal started under Bush, because for some reason we shouldn't hold a black man accountable for his actions. What appears to really have happened is the LARGE majority of what has been shown to be illegal has happened in the last 5 years, ignoring Congress and the written laws.

      What the NSA letter SHOULD have said is:
      The media outlets will continue to call anyone who holds us responsible racist or they will shift the blame to the previous administration to allow us to continune what we are doing uninterrupted. Hopefully we will be able to rig the election so that Hillary wins the next presidency so any calls of what we are doing is illegal will be met with a "War on Women". Because in reality we can't justify what we are doing, all we can do is attack the character of the people pointing it out and about half of our citizens are so fucking stupid they will jump in on our side.

    3. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Checked implies the oversight actually has teeth for enforcing policy/law. The token oversight given to the NSA reports to... the NSA.

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    4. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hitler's minions thought they were okay because they were just doing their job, also.

      That didn't help them much when it came time to hand out the war-crimes awards.

      Just something the NSA folks might want to think about. They also might want to take a gander at the Constitution and, in particular, the Bill of Rights. Read them all, including Amendment X. Unless they are too stupid to live, comprehending the meaning isn't particularly difficult - assume the words mean what they say they mean, no matter how many corrupt and pompous judges and bureaucrats there are trying to "reinterpret" words to make all the criminality okay.

      There may be an accounting, eventually. Eventually may come sooner than later.

    5. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Spineless? I take great offense to that! We have PLENTY of spine! It's ATTENTION SPAN that we... oh my gosh! Did you hear about the navy yard shootings? Was I saying something? I think it was about Syria and NASA...

    6. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by kav2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And all it takes is a phone call from the NSA to leak some juicy blackmail on the President into the media.
      This is all interconnected pretty nicely, I'm afraid.

    7. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seriously, though, just because you say it doesn't make it true.

      The simple fact that they felt it necessary, despite how self-incriminating it appears, for them to send out such a letter to their own people in essence, says many volumes about how much trust one should put in the NSA's "assurances".

      The NSA is going to have to engage heavily in blackmailing politicians, because nearly everyone...(D), (R), conservatives, liberals, politicians, journalists, progressives, capitalists, socialists, and communists...have realized that the NSA doesn't make any distinctions whatsoever concerning whose data they slurp up and whether or not it might be used for blackmail or for setting them up for a lengthy prison sentence if it becomes expedient for the government to make someone "go away", short of outright State-ordered murder.

      Pay no attention to anything the NSA or the politicians say. Watch what they do, instead.

      Strat

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    8. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They also don't have the intelligence to realise that the NSA is just the tech guy. They do the hacking but they are not the ones issuing the instructions for what to go for or the ones doing the data storage and consolidation. They do not call it the 'Central' intelligence agency for nothing. Right now in the foreground exposed for what is was doing is the NSA but make no mistake this is all the CIA's doing and they were the ones doing the nasty with all the private data they go from the NSA, the tech guy.

      Still not one political demand to uncover where the data went and what was done with it. The CIA has had deep control of the US government for decades and has been deeply political both within the US and overseas. Want to look at why the NSA went so far off the rails, look no further than the CIA.

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    9. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hitler's minions thought they were okay because they were just doing their job, also.

      That didn't help them much when it came time to hand out the war-crimes awards.

      Just something the NSA folks might want to think about. They also might want to take a gander at the Constitution and, in particular, the Bill of Rights. Read them all, including Amendment X.

      Bear in mind that there are two different things NSA does/did, with very different implications.

      1) They weakened cryptographic standards. This deserves all the criticism you're dishing out.

      2) They researched how to break crypto. This is completely within their (and anyone else's) right to do. The alternative viewpoint - that merely trying to break crypto should be illegal - is exactly what the MPAA and RIAA have been trying to foist upon us with the draconian provisions in the DMCA prohibiting breaking DRM.

    10. Re: And I have a 3 foot long penis by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Modesto Junior College in California.

      http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3954954

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    11. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The constitution has several mechanism built into it to amend it. There are only two ways it could be unconstitutional to amend it and those were based on time spans that have long passed.

      Now, if your bank decided that after 29 years, just one payment from your mortgage being paid in full and the house being yours, to reinterpret the contract so as you have another 30 years to pay or somehow have a balloon payment or they can repossess the house, you would be outraged. Even if it wasn't happening to you but others because the contract was a document of it's time and inevitably subject to subsequent reinterpretations, the vast majority of people would be outraged.

      That is what the US constitution is- a contract between the states and the people within them that forgo certain amounts of sovereignty to a federal government and if something needs changed, then it needs to be amended and changed. It really is that simple.

      I'm not against changing the US constitution, in fact, I would like to see several changes myself. I just think that we owe history the honesty of following the rules to do so. This means amending the constitution instead of all the sudden deciding the word "one" means two or three or something similar to make something constitutional that otherwise wouldn't be. Its a smoke and mirror game right now with what actually means something and what doesn't. When we ignore it, we have given license to ignore all of it. That does mean that when something you don't want ignored is, they can use the exact same justifications to ignore the search and seizure or due process clauses or free speech guarantees as they use to ignore the second amendment or rules to how legislation is made or war is waged.

    12. Re:And I have a 3 foot long penis by erikkemperman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have no idea if what you suggest is true, that NSA is just the go-to bunch of nerds for CIA. Actually more likely there would be several puppet masters. Some military intelligence outfits, certainly. And FBI and DEA came up recently as well. Big US Corporations? It would seem so.

      But regardless, I don't agree, if that is even what you were implying, that we should therefore not criticize said nerds for facilitating so willingly. Some of whom surely frequent /. ... Not cool, guys.

      Of course every bit of understanding about who really calls the shots is welcome. But don't underestimate the extent to which a colossal bureaucracies can go off the rails by their own self sustained momentum.

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  2. Extended Family? by wjcofkc · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess that makes them Big Brother in law.

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    1. Re:Extended Family? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's more like a Mafia Family, in the Tony Soprano sense of the word.

      Actually, the tone of "Weather This Storm" letter sounds more like a radio broadcast, live, from the Führer's Bunker in Berlin, in late April 1945.

      Maybe the NSA has some Wunderwaffen in their pockets, like V-3s and V-4s that will ensure their victory in their quest to destroy Americans' trust in their government, and rid the land of the yoke of that pesky Constitution and Bill of Rights.

      . . . and they would have succeeded, if it wasn't for you meddling kids of Slashdot . . .

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    2. Re:Extended Family? by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess that makes them Big Brother in law.

      I prefer the term "Big Sister" -- Think about it: Who's more likely to keep a bunch of detailed records of all goings on, then get pissed off and throw a fit when someone leaks her diary?

  3. So, they lie to their own staff, too? by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not surprised. Not surprised at all.

    -jcr

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  4. When you have to write a letter by The_Star_Child · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Acknowledging the problem doesn't exist, it most certainly does.

  5. Snowjob by JustNiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>> It was intended to reassure them that the NSA is not really the abusive and unchecked spying agency engaged in illegal activity that someone reading former NSA contractor Edward Snowdenâ(TM)s disclosures might think...

    Uhh what? Snowden just released existing documents, he didn't create them.
    It stands to reason that the NSA should be judged exactly by their actions, i.e. the content of the documents they themselves created.

  6. Of course they're not illegal! by d33tah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course they're not "engaged in illegal activity". They control the law.

  7. I am sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sure that the NSA sees itself as the good guy, and I am sure it does serve some useful, protective services. However, if those services come at the expense of civil liberties then the price is too high. And if it comes at a small cost to civil liberty, then it won't be too much longer until the bureaucracy feeds on itself until the small infractions become large ones.

  8. It's not the NSA who will pay the price by klingens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the NSA will weather it, will continue to exist and will continue to spy. For them it's a (short) embarrassing time after which the news media will forget them and all will be the same for them again.

    The ones who pay for this are the US IT companies which will be distrusted world wide and the US government (politicians, diplomats, secretary of state, etc) who will be distrusted even by their closest allies. US companies will notice it in the long term bottom line e.g. when big foreign companies won't outsource to a US company. The public will forget the scandal soon like they forgot Echelon, the big companies who have actual trade secrets however won't, and if they do they will probably regret it soon when their secrets aren't secret anymore and their US competitors magically know everything they do. These losses are however far in the future: more than a quarter away so they will be denied, at least publically and especially by the ones responsible: the politicians.

    The politicians will have a lot less trust and goodwill from their foreign counterparts, even and especially from allied countries.

  9. To paraphrase... by NoKaOi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To paraphrase the letter:
    We're family, we love you, so you should love us. Everything said in the media (except for a few pundits who we are paying off) is lies, the leaks didn't really say what they said. Everything we do is legal because we have the power to define the meaning of legal as anything we do.

  10. Re:I don't see how prosecutions can be avoided by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Easy.

    The NSA have got files on everyone.

    Which politician is going to take them on and see all their dirty laundry thrown to the media?

  11. Re:Over 99.9% honest agents! by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The mass surveillance apparatus which is unquestionably a violation of 4th amendment protections requires just a few more than 1 in 10,000 agents to carry out. There may very well be a large group of perfectly honest and upstanding agents in the NSA, but the corruption goes much deeper than a few rogue individuals. It goes to the very top, with the head of the NSA perjuring himself to Congress only very shortly before Snowden's documents started trickling out in the news.

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  12. shiny object by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In 6 months we wont remember who the NSA is or what happened.

    Humans today have the attention span of a turnip.

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  13. Spin control by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The NSA denied the spying flat out, until they were caught.

    The government claimed the court oversight was adequate, until FOI releases proved they're not.

    They said they were only using the surveillance data to catch terrorists, until it was revealed that the DEA was getting a feed.

    Why should anyone, even an NSA employee, believe anything these idiots have to say any more?

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  14. Re: These are just words. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a contractor with them I'd have more trust in their words if the letter hadn't been waiting for me on my favorite table at the coffee shop I frequent on my days off...

  15. Yeah, I'll believe all that by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (the Iraqi Information Minister during the second Gulf War) has snagged himself a new contract. WE ARE NOT SPYING ON ANY AMERICANS, AND THERE IS NO FAILURE OF OVERSIGHT.

  16. A family that violates the constitution together by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Funny

    stays together. Now let's all gather around the fireplace and take turns throwing copies of the Bill of Rights into the fire to stay warm.

  17. Re:I don't see how prosecutions can be avoided by chihowa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blackmail only works on criminals and sleazebags. If you're doing shit so bad that you're willing to sell out your entire country to keep it quiet you deserve to be strung up by an angry mob.

    Ordinary people do stupid and embarrassing stuff, but most people don't have histories that they couldn't come clean about if forced to. Only sociopathic assholes whose lives are entirely built on deception (eg politicians) are susceptible to this sort of treatment.

    Blackmail is like Danegeld. Only an idiot would choose to play that game and only a criminal would need to.

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