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Apple Maps Flaw Sends Drivers Across Airport Runway

solareagle writes "The BBC reports that an Alaskan airport says it has had to place barricades across one of its taxiways after an Apple Maps flaw resulted in iPhone users driving across a runway. The airport said it had complained to the phone-maker through the local attorney general's office. 'We asked them to disable the map for Fairbanks until they could correct it, thinking it would be better to have nothing show up than to take the chance that one more person would do this,' Melissa Osborn, chief of operations at the airport, told the Alaska Dispatch newspaper. The airport said it had been told the problem would be fixed by Wednesday. However the BBC still experienced the issue when it tested the app, asking for directions to the site from a property to the east of the airport. By contrast the Google Maps app provided a different, longer route which takes drivers to the property's car park."

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  1. Credulousness by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now we see why big corporations retain batteries of lawyers to write voluminous "I Agree" waivers.

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    1. Re:Credulousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apple doesn't allow batteries of lawyers to be changed.

    2. Re:Credulousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you still can't fix stupid

      before apple maps, we had dummies driving into lakes because their garmin or whatever GPS they had told them to.

      i can understand it if you are a sales person driving to new clients all the time, but why would most people need these map things? do you really forget where you need to go all the time?

    3. Re:Credulousness by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People go to new places fairly regularly. Not everyone has every road and destination for a hundred miles around memorized. In this case it is an Airport, and quite a few people who are going to fly (or pick someone up, or just arrived) are not going to go to the place frequently enough to memorize the roads around it. I think I go to my local one maybe once every 5 years or so, plenty of time to not remember the roads around it.

    4. Re:Credulousness by minstrelmike · · Score: 0

      you still can't fix stupid

      That's true but irrelevant.
      Are you talking about drivers or are you talking about Apple? That's why there are lawsuits, to determine how to portion the stupidity properly.

    5. Re:Credulousness by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      People go to new places fairly regularly. Not everyone has every road and destination for a hundred miles around memorized. In this case it is an Airport, and quite a few people who are going to fly (or pick someone up, or just arrived) are not going to go to the place frequently enough to memorize the roads around it. I think I go to my local one maybe once every 5 years or so, plenty of time to not remember the roads around it.

      You don't think the 737 sitting in front of you with engines roaring might tip you off that you are in the wrong place? Or maybe all of those "Do Not Enter" signs? Being confused at an airport and winding up at the wrong terminal or parking garage is one thing. Ending up on the runway is totally different.

      Luckily, this story is just humorous and has a relatively happy ending. In many parts of the world, even attempting to get on to the runway or crossing barricades would get you shot.

    6. Re:Credulousness by HoldmyCauls · · Score: 1

      For the last three years, I have been driving between multiple locations for my job. The next on my list is rarely the nearest, sometimes in a different city, nor is it even often the one I'd planned on visiting during the morning, or day before. As such, I have been struggling to find the quickest route between any two given locations. I still consult my GPS from time to time to make sure I'm not losing valuable time to actually *perform* my job once I arrive, simply by heading directly North when I should head West first. I know *where* all the locations are, but the roads to the next change depending on the starting point.

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    7. Re:Credulousness by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 2

      > That's why there are lawsuits, to determine how to portion the stupidity properly.

      You say that like there was a shortage.

    8. Re:Credulousness by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      So I'm confused. If there's enough stupidity to go around, and all that is left is to decide how to portion it properly, why would it be irrelevant again? Your post makes it seem more appropriate, rather than less so.

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    9. Re:Credulousness by logjon · · Score: 0

      I think in this case the stupid can be squarely placed with the people driving across a fucking runway. Would they follow Apple maps into the ocean?

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    10. Re:Credulousness by Frontier+Owner · · Score: 1

      Im not sure about the Fairbanks airport, but IAH, you can't see the runway from outside the terminal and I'm sure if you get too close to the 10 ft. chain link fence with privacy barriers topped with barbed wire, you will be detained until you're severely questioned and probed thoroughly.

    11. Re:Credulousness by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Here's a question: If the phone / app says something completely different then the remarkably well signed roads that go into airport terminals, why trust the phone?

      Also, why wasn't this barricaded about 12 years ago?

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    12. Re:Credulousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't think the 737 sitting in front of you with engines roaring might tip you off that you are in the wrong place?

      Maybe the 737 was just following the Apple Maps route from Runway 20 to Gate 6 and accidentally ended up on University Ave. Those map errors work both ways you know.

    13. Re:Credulousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've lived in Fairbanks for 10 years. The airport is right there in town, and all the locals know how to get everywhere in town because there's not a lot of places to go. This is about tourists driving from the East ramp (which is where the bush pilot companies are) to the West ramp where the terminal is. There's a taxiway that connects the two ramps and the East ramp is not a militant secured typical airport so yes, you can just drive on in.

    14. Re:Credulousness by segin · · Score: 0

      Apple doesn't allow batteries of lawyers to be charged.

      FTFY.

    15. Re:Credulousness by segin · · Score: 1

      Because Alaskans aren't all that crazy about security. Come on, do you really expect a moose to hijack an airplane?

    16. Re:Credulousness by geek · · Score: 1

      You don't think the 737 sitting in front of you with engines roaring might tip you off that you are in the wrong place?

      What 737? Its Fairbanks Alaska. The airport is less than a couple of buildings and a runway with hardly any signs or fences around. Not every fucking airport on Earth is JFK or Heathrow. Get over yourself.

    17. Re:Credulousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need to save enough stupidity to cover all of the internet posts (blogs, comments, Fox News report, etc.) about the original stupid error.

    18. Re:Credulousness by trum4n · · Score: 2

      Sometimes when charged, Apple lawyers cause a "pants on fire" scenario. Seems familiar.

    19. Re:Credulousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably one of the 737s that Alaska Airlines flies there multiple times every goddamn day, you moron. Not every small airport is a some fucking turboprop backwater. Get over yourself.

    20. Re:Credulousness by dwye · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because Alaskans aren't all that crazy about security. Come on, do you really expect a moose to hijack an airplane?

      Only if he has a flying squirrel as an accomplice. And William Conrad doing voice-over from the dead.

    21. Re:Credulousness by neonKow · · Score: 2

      Don't be so sure about physical security. The day after 12 people were killed in a shooting at Navy Yard in DC, some dude lobbed firecrackers at the White House.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/16/white-house-firecrackers_n_3937556.html

      Likewise, you might need to go through millimeter wave scans to get through security, but your seeing million dollar scanners at the front door doesn't mean that the back door isn't wide open. It's criticized as "security theater" because it's only meant to make you FEEL safe. As XKCD explains, there are plenty of easy and common loopholes in the system:
      https://xkcd.com/651/

    22. Re:Credulousness by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It doesn't help that we are trying to minimize the UI for this sort of thing. On older sat-nav systems you might at least have been shown a map of the destination area so you could see how stupid the route is, now you just speak to your phone and without further interaction it starts guiding you from your current location.

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    23. Re:Credulousness by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      This is about where the incidents were happening. They weren't driving past 737s, but they were driving by many smaller aircraft. The east ramp isn't secured like the west ramp is. There are lots of private plans, and several small companies serving bush communities. Doesn't make the drivers any smarter, though.

    24. Re:Credulousness by Cramer · · Score: 1

      True, but one would assume anyone with a license would have enough g** d*** common sense to look around at where they're driving, and notice they're driving out onto the active airtraffic areas. I'm actually more shocked that it's this f'ing easy to drive out onto the runway. The FAA should have some heads on a platter for this blatant lack of security.

      (Here at RDU, you couldn't accidentally drive onto the apron. You'd have to crash through gate(s) to do it intentionally.)

    25. Re:Credulousness by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      What blows my mind is how little security a city the size of Fairbanks has....WTF people? Did we forget what happened with those planes and the terrorists already? Somebody needs to call the feds and demand some money to improve security because that is just sad.Hell I live in BF AR and if you try to get even up to the fence surrounding the runway you are gonna have a guard there asking you WTF you are doing before you could do shit, no way in hell you could actually DRIVE onto the runway without having a half a dozen cars with flashing lights boxing you in, you'd be staring down a good dozen barrels before you said oopsie.

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    26. Re:Credulousness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What blows my mind is how little security a city the size of Fairbanks has....WTF people? Did we forget what happened with those planes and the terrorists already?

      Not everyone is a pathetic little coward hiding under their desk.

    27. Re:Credulousness by Zynder · · Score: 1

      No but a moose did once bite my sister....

    28. Re:Credulousness by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't allow batteries of lawyers to be changed.

      Every couple of years they just buy a shiny new law firm

    29. Re:Credulousness by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Lets ignore "The Terrorists" for a moment - this should be secured even just to prevent FOD!

      I'd prefer it if RANDOM_ASSHAT's antenna decoration doesn't fall off and get sucked into the engine of the plane I'm going to be in later that day.

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    30. Re:Credulousness by segin · · Score: 1

      Familiar, eh, maybe you do mean this?

  2. Steve jobs says: by engun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, you did ask for the fastest route.

    1. Re:Steve jobs says: by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They were driving it wrong.

    2. Re:Steve jobs says: by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      First time I used Apple Maps it wanted to make me cross a river, there was no bridge. It gets my home postcode wrong by about 10 miles. Seems to not know about central reservations in many places as well, wants you to go through fencing. Sticking with Waze for now.

    3. Re:Steve jobs says: by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Well, you did ask for the fastest route.

      "As a temporary fix, please keep your Apple AirPort device turned off while driving."

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    4. Re:Steve jobs says: by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Also, what kind of moron actually drives through an airport just because their eyePhone tells them to? Perhaps instead of setting up barricades, they should have prevented that kind of move with caltrops and/or land mines to remove a dangerously stupid person from the gene pool.

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    5. Re:Steve jobs says: by geekoid · · Score: 2

      There are a couple of problems with your post.

      First of all, it depends on how it looks from the drivers perspective. I have been to some airports where a wrong turn leads you between two building an dthen into the runway. There isn't a way to realize this when you are in the car.
      I haven't been to this particulate airport but it is obvious the runways wasn't secure against outside traffic.

      Secondly, you are too quick with the stupid comment. I know know geniuses(literally) that you wouldn't want behind the wheel.

      Finally, you have no idea how the gene pool works.

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    6. Re:Steve jobs says: by mspohr · · Score: 1, Informative

      What kind of moron?
      We are talking about Apple iPhone users here.
      From TFA:
      "Fairbanks Airport said the drivers involved in the 6 September and 20 September incidents had both been from out of town and had ignored signposts warning them that they should not be driving along the taxiway.
      "They must have been persistent," the airport's assistant manager Angie Spear told the BBC.
      "They had to enter the airport property via a motion-activated gate, and afterwards there are many signs, lights and painted markings, first warning that aircraft may share the road and then that drivers should not be there at all.
      "They needed to drive over a mile with all this before reaching the runway. But the drivers disregarded all that because they were following the directions given on their iPhones."
      The runway the motorists crossed was used by 737 jets among other aircraft. No one was injured.

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    7. Re:Steve jobs says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, what kind of moron actually drives through an airport just because their eyePhone tells them to?

      If it just looks like a public road until you're on the runway, how would you know? If you're using your GPS it might be because it's somewhere you've never been.

      Maybe the people who didn't bother to fence in the airport are the stupid people here.

      Then again, you're so smug and self superior, maybe you should be removed from the gene pool for being such an asshole.

    8. Re:Steve jobs says: by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, what kind of moron actually drives through an airport just because their eyePhone tells them to?

      The kind who thinks this sort of thing could never ever ever happen with an autonomous car.

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    9. Re:Steve jobs says: by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      I love waze but, it has definitely gotten me a few times too.

      Once, I was on my way to a friend's farm. I had heard there was another way to get there for "people who know the route", and assumed that Waze must have picked up on that and was taking me that way, so I followed it instead of taking my normal route.

      We got off the highway, and it turned down a dirt road. I was ok with that, been down dirt roads before....then...the road ended. I looked down at Waze and saw the route swung to the left, so I looked over to the left and saw a 4 wheeler path, which was big enough for my car so I tried following it, only to find it came out to an empty overgrown field....at which point I turned back and went back to the road.

      Another time, it took me off the highway I should have stayed on, and through some side streets back towards the road, ending in a right turn only where it wanted me to go left... and then proceeded to try to take me back down that circuit as I tried to find my way back.

      Waze is wonderful for so many reasons (I have been known to pull it out and fire it up to report police sitting in front of my house) but, I doubt anybody has really gotten it 100% right when it comes to maps...just too much area to cover.

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    10. Re:Steve jobs says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A self-driving car would sense the gate closed and stop, perhaps turn around, unlike most people on the road.

      I'm sure we will be trading one evil for another, but compared to the drunk, stoned, tripping, tweaking, texting denizins on the road these days, I'll take an AI that actually watches and responds to all sensors constantly than someone who doesn't watch the road for 4-10 seconds.

    11. Re:Steve jobs says: by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      And right above your post was this description of the road:

      "They had to enter the airport property via a motion-activated gate, and afterwards there are many signs, lights and painted markings, first warning that aircraft may share the road and then that drivers should not be there at all.
      "They needed to drive over a mile with all this before reaching the runway. But the drivers disregarded all that because they were following the directions given on their iPhones."
      The runway the motorists crossed was used by 737 jets among other aircraft

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    12. Re:Steve jobs says: by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      I was going to say something similar: You're runway is obviously in the wrong place.

    13. Re:Steve jobs says: by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

      I've had Google Navigate fuck up more than a few times too. I was on a military base one time and it took me out on what I can only guess was some sort of tank trail (not having a 4-wheel drive, I almost got stuck a few times). All this to get to a main road that it turned out actually *intersected* with the main road that I was on when Navigate decided to take me out on a long country drive through the swamp.

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    14. Re:Steve jobs says: by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      I'll take an AI that actually watches and responds to all sensors constantly than someone who doesn't watch the road for 4-10 seconds.

      Then you must not have much experience with AI. Unless driving under very controlled conditions, they will wreck in situations that a drunk, stoned, and tripping person could still easily deal with.

    15. Re:Steve jobs says: by marcello_dl · · Score: 0

      You should channel not only Jobs, but also his RDF. So, the most canonical response should be:

      "You're landing it wrong"

      Ah, the golden days of apple...

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    16. Re:Steve jobs says: by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Google has plenty of miles under uncontrolled conditions.

      If it gets to a closed street, it wakes up the human.

    17. Re:Steve jobs says: by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are a couple of problems with your post.

      I have been to some airports where a wrong turn leads you between two building an dthen into the runway. There isn't a way to realize this when you are in the car.

      Can you name an airport that dumps you on the runway without a sign telling you that you're not supposed to be there? Regardless, that is not the case here. This is an international airport where apparently they had to drive for a mile down the taxiway first with signs indicating that they are in fact on the airport and that planes might share the road, followed by signs indicating that they should not be there at all. From TFA:

      "They had to enter the airport property via a motion-activated gate, and afterwards there are many signs, lights and painted markings, first warning that aircraft may share the road and then that drivers should not be there at all.

      "They needed to drive over a mile with all this before reaching the runway. But the drivers disregarded all that because they were following the directions given on their iPhones."

      I don't know of a way to describe those drivers other than "stupid". Maybe "completely oblivious" or "willfully ignorant", but that's not too different from "stupid". They saw or should have seen signs indicating that they are not supposed to be there, and they kept going because their iPhone told them to. I'd like to get a look at that access control gate to figure out what they went through to get on the airport property in the first place, so that I can further judge the intelligence of people who drive through an airport access control gate thinking that they are approaching the terminal. I've never been to a major airport where I had to stop and wait for a gate to open in order to get to the terminal.

      It looks like the gate in question is here. A big yellow sign that says "Aircraft Operations Area", and someone thinks "wow, this is exactly where I'm supposed to be." The Yield To Aircraft sign is a nice touch too. I always see those when I'm going to the passenger terminal. So there is someone out there driving their car, looking at that airport entrance, and mistaking it with this. Yeah, I'll go with "stupid".

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    18. Re:Steve jobs says: by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I'm obviously not very bright, I used "you're" insteads of "your".

    19. Re:Steve jobs says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a fairly typical apple fanboi. Apple says to do it so it must be right.

    20. Re:Steve jobs says: by armahillo · · Score: 1

      Take that, TSA.

    21. Re: Steve jobs says: by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Waze has led me off the highway only to tell me to get back on the highway so many times that I've lost count. Waze is no better

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    22. Re: Steve jobs says: by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Agreed. No one should be able to drive right onto any airfield. This is airport admin error more than iPhone error.

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    23. Re:Steve jobs says: by puto · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that the government is handing over detailed maps to private, federal property of military bases. Though what they have is satellite imagery, they have no actual mapping of the entire property. Especially since in 2008 the DOD told google they could not map or have their vehicles on us military installations. So your case was not Googles fault.

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    24. Re:Steve jobs says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, it depends on how it looks from the drivers perspective. I have been to some airports where a wrong turn leads you between two building an dthen into the runway. There isn't a way to realize this when you are in the car.

      Bullshit. Try reading.

      "They had to enter the airport property via a motion-activated gate, and afterwards there are many signs, lights and painted markings, first warning that aircraft may share the road and then that drivers should not be there at all.
      "They needed to drive over a mile with all this before reaching the runway. But the drivers disregarded all that because they were following the directions given on their iPhones."

      It goes on to say that even though the Apple map does NOT tell them to enter the actual runway they STILL did.

    25. Re: Steve jobs says: by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      It's a known routing bug. Currently being fixed. Hope so soon, Google Maps will be using Waze routing services soon.

    26. Re:Steve jobs says: by jittles · · Score: 1

      I've had Google Navigate fuck up more than a few times too. I was on a military base one time and it took me out on what I can only guess was some sort of tank trail (not having a 4-wheel drive, I almost got stuck a few times). All this to get to a main road that it turned out actually *intersected* with the main road that I was on when Navigate decided to take me out on a long country drive through the swamp.

      Google Maps sent me down a restricted road to a tank range in Germany. Thankfully I realized right after I passed the poorly placed "Tanks only" sign. If they had put the signs about 15m closer to the intersection I would have seen them before I ended up doing something that could have resulted in an uncomfortable confrontation with Nato.

    27. Re:Steve jobs says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm obviously not very bright, I used "you're" insteads of "your".

      Maybe this is a [sic] joke, but you had it right. "You're landing it wrong." is equivalent to "You are landing it wrong.". The possessive use, "Your landing, it wrong." with a comma added for clarity says a bottom platform belongs to somebody.

    28. Re:Steve jobs says: by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      You can see it on Street View (sorry, can't see how to link directly in the new interface) and there is a sign, but it's quite small. If you were not paying attention you could easily miss it.

      Then again a friend of mine told me a story about his mother who several years ago typed "Travelodge" into her sat-nav. Travelodge is a chain of crappy hotels. Naturally she ended up at the London headquarters, not the branch down in Cornwall she wanted. Driving in completely the wrong direction and into the capital city for two hours. Apparently for some people the sat-nav voice is authoritative.

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    29. Re:Steve jobs says: by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

      I've had Google Maps screw up only once in the year and a half since I owned my phone. It was a big screw-up though. I was following directions to a billiards hall...as I passed it on the highway, my phone said 'You're here!', even though there was no exit ramp.

    30. Re:Steve jobs says: by TheP4st · · Score: 2
      Pfft that's nothing compared to Sabine Moreau whose 90 mile trip became a 800 mile trip due to a combination of stupidity and GPS.

      We need to get something out of the way. Croatia is not Belgium. Neither is it in Belgium. Nor was it ever, in some strange historical time before America existed, Belgian in any way. This does not seem to have prevented a Belgian lady from trusting her GPS enough to end up in Zagreb, Croatia's capital, when she was actually trying to go 90 miles from her home in Hainault Erquelinnes to Brussels. Both, remarkably, are in Belgium. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57563958-71/gps-sends-belgian-woman-to-croatia-810-miles-out-of-her-way/

      Stupidity is universal and not limited to users of any specific brand. But if you really want to have a cheap shot at iPhone users I'd recommend that you aim at the ones that fell for the waterproof iOS 7 prank and sent their devices to an early demise as at least this one is brand specific (for now) in difference from GPS fuck ups caused by ignorant drivers since the first GPS hit the market.

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    31. Re:Steve jobs says: by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      This airport has always served private pilots, as well as commercial operators. The incidents happened on the east ramp, where people need access to their private plans. In order to be a threat to the large commercial operations, you need to cross a large open area.

    32. Re:Steve jobs says: by abroadwin · · Score: 1

      I actually kind of agree with your joking sentiment... GPS instructions should be taken with a grain of salt. I've had my Tom Tom tell me to drive off a cliff before (really, it said "turn left", left was a sheer drop), but I didn't listen to it. Pretty sure if I were told to drive onto a runway I'd engage my brain and reroute myself.

    33. Re:Steve jobs says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A self-driving car would sense the gate closed and stop

      And then the motion controlled gate will open, and the self-driving car would be free to continue.

    34. Re:Steve jobs says: by mjwx · · Score: 2

      I've had Google Navigate fuck up more than a few times too. I was on a military base one time and it took me out on what I can only guess was some sort of tank trail (not having a 4-wheel drive, I almost got stuck a few times). All this to get to a main road that it turned out actually *intersected* with the main road that I was on when Navigate decided to take me out on a long country drive through the swamp.

      Erm... Why would you take a dirt track?

      Seriously?

      What was going through your head when you thought leaving the sealed road was a good idea.

      I drive a Japanese sports car, which by definition is very low to the ground even in stock form. There's no way in hell I'd be leaving sealed roads unless I knew the path was perfectly smooth despite what the GPS said. Holes in my exhaust sound awesome but are a pain in the arse to fix.

      Google maps does not always provide the fastest or best route (in the city of Perth, Western Australia it will regularly lead you into areas where traffic jams are a daily occurrence) but what you wrote doesn't say anything about Google's mapping skills, it says a lot about your lack of common sense.

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    35. Re:Steve jobs says: by jrumney · · Score: 1

      To get sensible routes from Waze, you need to turn off the option to earn more points by helping them map infrequently traveled roads. I can't find the option now, but I think it was called "prefer munching" or something silly like that.

    36. Re:Steve jobs says: by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I our town, most of the GPS devices route people on a road that hasn't existed for 100 years. The Town Road Crew is frequently pulling people with Mass. plates out of the sand pit where the road used to be. At least with smartphones updates are automatic - with older standalone devices it's subject them buying updates and hooking it up to USB which is even more unlikely.

      c.f. Jaynes's discussion of Voices of Authority in The Origin of Consciousness.

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    37. Re:Steve jobs says: by Gogo0 · · Score: 1

      many places have dirt/gravel roads and sometimes trail roads that typical road vehicles have carved out over years of regular use. there are also people drive vehicles with >2" clearance that have no problem navigating non-concrete terrain. likely the original poster owns a vehicle that can sustain such terrain and has no qualms driving on it.
      also, sometimes its just fun to go offroading. 4-wheeling the tank path to your destination beats traffic and dealing with idiots who dont understand traffic circles. little sense in having a vehicle that can do that if youre not going to from time to time.

    38. Re:Steve jobs says: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "Drive Different"

    39. Re:Steve jobs says: by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It looks like the gate in question is here. A big yellow sign that says "Aircraft Operations Area", and someone thinks "wow, this is exactly where I'm supposed to be." The Yield To Aircraft sign is a nice touch too. I always see those when I'm going to the passenger terminal.

      You're assuming that they were looking out of the vehicle. A lot of people don't, or not very much.

      I nearly got run over a few months back by an idiot who had an ipad on the steering wheel; he hadn't seen me, the junction or the red light, until he was a car length past it. Then he didn't notice the light turning green until three cars behind overtook him. I really wish the airbag had gone off.

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    40. Re:Steve jobs says: by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I haven't been to this particulate airport

      Are you saying the view was obstructed by fine dust in the air?

      Secondly, you are too quick with the stupid comment.

      You took your time over yours.

      Finally, you have no idea how the gene pool works.

      Please explain where he's wrong, o scientific genius.

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    41. Re:Steve jobs says: by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I've had Google Navigate fuck up more than a few times too. I was on a military base one time and it took me out on what I can only guess was some sort of tank trail (not having a 4-wheel drive, I almost got stuck a few times). All this to get to a main road that it turned out actually *intersected* with the main road that I was on when Navigate decided to take me out on a long country drive through the swamp.

      Erm... Why would you take a dirt track?

      So you could ask that question to distract from Google's mistake.

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    42. Re:Steve jobs says: by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

      It started out as a small paved road, then turned to dirt, then got bigger and bigger ruts--and with nowhere to turn around. And all the while, google is telling me I'm headed in the right direction.

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    43. Re:Steve jobs says: by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I've tried to find some auto parts places before, and Google Maps didn't differentiate the local warehouses from actual places of business.

      Fortunately I was intelligent enough to realize that what looks like a warehouse and doesn't have much parking (and tons of truck docks) was in fact a warehouse, and not your local NAPA parts store...

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    44. Re:Steve jobs says: by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      So why haven't they erected a barricade and a "road closed" sign? Hell a "your map is 100 years out of date" sign under that would be hilarious.

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    45. Re:Steve jobs says: by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      I don't care about IPhone versus Android versus Blackberry versus any other smartphone, but I have nothing but contempt for people who trust their disembodied GPS voice more than what they see when they look outside their car.

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  3. The real question is by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did the driver get it onto the airport taxiways? I live pretty close to an airport and the taxiways are all very barricaded, you can't just drive onto an airport without someone noticing.

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    1. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I understand it, the Apple Maps app directed them onto a route that was not barricaded and allowed them access to the runway.

    2. Re:The real question is by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Same for me in a big city, but I have been to small podunk fields where they were exposed, with a treeline as the only protection.

    3. Re:The real question is by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      It's Alaska. I bet their idea of a sufficient barracade differs a bit from the norm.

    4. Re:The real question is by Imagix · · Score: 1

      Lets see.. you want to get on a plane, you have to remove your shoes, get body scanned, wait in the long lines for those privileges.... or just drive onto the runway. Hmm... does anybody in the TSA see be huge glaring problem here?

    5. Re:The real question is by Xolotl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with GP .. this is an international airport with 737 jet airliners. Yet the only thing stopping them was a "motion-activated gate". This is 2013 ... if nothing else, where was the TSA?

    6. Re:The real question is by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      The obvious question, of course, is why such a route exists in the first place. If it's a road, people are allowed to drive on it. If people aren't allowed to drive on it, they should take reasonable steps to prevent people from... you know... driving on it.

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    7. Re:The real question is by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      This is Fairbanks.

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    8. Re:The real question is by PenguSven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And it's Apple's fault that this route is open to drivers? Apple's data comes from third parties - a lot of it is aggregated by the likes of TomTom etc, from local authorities. Remember the bullshit about people getting lost in Victoria (australia) looking for a town called Mildura? The local mapping data had two locations for Mildura - one in the middle of a forrest, one where the town is. Any idiot that follows a navigation app's directions off a highway onto either a dirt track through a forrest or onto a fucking runway, deserves it. They are assistants, not foolproof deities.

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    9. Re:The real question is by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      I think the point is such a route should not exist for a major airport ...

    10. Re:The real question is by n5vb · · Score: 2

      Alaska is different. People fly planes there like most of us down here in the lower 48 drive cars, because there are places in AK where there is literally no other way to get there. There are a lot of very small unsecured airports.

    11. Re:The real question is by rnturn · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah, they'll notice but how soon?

      I had a good friend and his brother wind up on a runway -- not in active use that day but still... -- at O'Hare back in the '70s. It didn't take very long before a cluster of airport vehicles with flashing lights stopped them before they got into real trouble. It turns out that there was an entrance to the airfield that was easily accessible via one of the roads that circled the airport. They were going to apply for a Summer job and didn't know where the heck they were supposed to be going. I used to drive by that entrance to/from work and the gate was almost always open; anyone could have driven onto an active runway. Pretty stupid but then those were different times. Back then a lot of dads would take their kids and park right outside the fence to watch the airliners take off and land. (I did that with my dad; we did it outside Glenview NAS to watch the military jets as well.) Nowadays that'll get you a visit from airport security (or worse) who'll tell you to shove off or else.

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    12. Re: The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a small airport, long queues, no, but yes international direct to Europe in summer and only a small boom gate stopping anyone getting into the runway, odd

    13. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, look at the pictures, and you'll see how.

      Now here's "why": Note that for many parts of Alaska, air travel is the only efficient means of transportation, so they need easy access to the airport for deliveries of all kinds of stuff. That's why it's easy to get there.

    14. Re:The real question is by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Good luck driving onto the airplane.

      Seriously, not the same thing.

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    15. Re:The real question is by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Yes but this isn't the grass strip in Chicken, this is the 737 runway at Fairbanks International ....

    16. Re:The real question is by orgelspieler · · Score: 4, Funny

      where was the TSA?

      They were too busy groping grandma, duh! Because if they don't, teh terrorists might win!!!

    17. Re:The real question is by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Are there no signs along this route indicating that driving further is a bad idea? Are there no visual cues that they're not crossing a normal road? While Apple should take some of the blame for this, the primary blame has to go to idiot drivers. "Because my phone told me to" is not an excuse for doing stupid things.

    18. Re:The real question is by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      And it's Apple's fault that this route is open to drivers?

      Apple's data comes from third parties - a lot of it is aggregated by the likes of TomTom etc, from local authorities.

      Remember the bullshit about people getting lost in Victoria (australia) looking for a town called Mildura?

      The local mapping data had two locations for Mildura - one in the middle of a forrest, one where the town is. Any idiot that follows a navigation app's directions off a highway onto either a dirt track through a forrest or onto a fucking runway, deserves it.

      They are assistants, not foolproof deities.

      Yea, rabble rabble! How dare people expect a company to QA their own products!

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    19. Re:The real question is by mspohr · · Score: 2

      From TFA:
      "Fairbanks Airport said the drivers involved in the 6 September and 20 September incidents had both been from out of town and had ignored signposts warning them that they should not be driving along the taxiway.
      "They must have been persistent," the airport's assistant manager Angie Spear told the BBC.
      "They had to enter the airport property via a motion-activated gate, and afterwards there are many signs, lights and painted markings, first warning that aircraft may share the road and then that drivers should not be there at all.
      "They needed to drive over a mile with all this before reaching the runway. But the drivers disregarded all that because they were following the directions given on their iPhones."

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    20. Re:The real question is by Xolotl · · Score: 2

      True dat. My bad.

    21. Re:The real question is by Wookact · · Score: 1

      The "International" airport in Fairbanks is smaller then many regional airports I have been to. Sure they have a runway big enough for 737's but the place has like 4 gates. You can throw a rock from long term parking and hit the terminal building. I think they literally have one lane for TSA screenings.

      (As of about 3 years ago. I admit things might have expanded some since then, but I doubt much.)

    22. Re:The real question is by DarkTempes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait a second, so the TSA makes me take my shoes off and treats me like a criminal but people can just drive their car right up to the runway with nothing to stop them?

    23. Re:The real question is by PenguSven · · Score: 2

      Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions. They had to go through a fucking gate, and past multiple signs saying they shouldn't be driving there. Yes Apple's maps have a bug, and they have said they are fixing it. What has the airport management done to prevent unauthorised access to the runway? What have the drivers done to improve their own common fucking sense?

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    24. Re:The real question is by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Well I can think of a number of airports I could throw a rock from long term parking and hit (a) terminal building - used to be the case at Heathrow, don't know if it still is - but I get your point :) Thanks.

    25. Re:The real question is by iamgnat · · Score: 1

      Wait a second, so the TSA makes me take my shoes off and treats me like a criminal but people can just drive their car right up to the runway with nothing to stop them?

      Well there are signs telling you not to go there. That will keep the terrorists out right? Right?

      That's my view of this whole thing. OK Apple Maps is being stupid and the drivers even dumber, but I live at the end of the runway for an International airport and there are unhappy looking people with guns standing next to closed gates for any non-public access points to the grounds (which includes anything that leads to the runways). So WTF is going on up in Fairbanks?

    26. Re:The real question is by Russ1642 · · Score: 2

      Maybe it's because airports aren't the massive insane over-the-top security risk the TSA would have you believe. It's just an airport. Calm the fuck down.

    27. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Displaced polar bears ate the guards, probably.

    28. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the issue is not that the drivers refuse to take responsibility.

      the airport simply wishes that people would not be taking responsibility for driving across the runways.

    29. Re:The real question is by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      My dad used to take us to the end of the runway at Vancouver International. The planes would be very low and very loud going directly overhead. I thought it was awesome. I wonder how close you can get nowadays?

    30. Re:The real question is by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Shesh folks.. There are a number of unfenced airports out there. They generally don't carry commercial traffic and it would be easy to get a car on the runway. In fact, there is one not a mile from where I type that I could easily get onto the runway and not ever leave pavement or have to open a gate. Only single engine aircraft usually operate there and there is NO FENCE.

      Even commercial airports I've seen have limited security at the general aviation ramp. You could drive up to your aircraft to unload/load baggage without so much as a gate between the highway and the ramp. These where not big airports, but they had regularly scheduled service. Once you are on the ramp, the whole airport is a car ride away.

      So this is NOT that unusual. I suspect that in Alaska things are even looser. If you have ever seen "Flying Wild Alaska" you'd quickly realize that getting a car, snowmobile or walking onto an airstrip is extremely easy and usually doesn't even involve having to go around, through or over anything.

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    31. Re:The real question is by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Who wants car duty when you can grope passengers?

    32. Re:The real question is by Pedahzur · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone living in Fairbanks, I can answer this. The part of the airport to which the Apple Maps directs the user is the general aviation side of the airport, thus it is pretty open to access, since there are businesses and personal airplanes on that side of the airport. More details here: http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130924/iphone-map-app-directs-fairbanks-drivers-airport-taxiway

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    33. Re:The real question is by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions.

      Exactly what I'm saying, but about a different party, obviously.

      Yes, the idiots ignoring good sense and driving onto a runway should take responsibility for their own idiocy.*

      Just the same, Apple needs to take responsibility for releasing a broken product. Saying "oh, but we're fixing it" doesn't change the fact they released a broken product to begin with.

      If you went and bought a Focus, and the wheel fell off because of an engineering "bug," wouldn't you hold Ford at least somewhat responsible?

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    34. Re:The real question is by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Small-craft amateur pilots are common in Alaska (being so large and mostly empty). From what I can tell, the area had road access so pilots who keep their aircraft in hangars there can drive in, park their car, and just get in their plane. That little area obviously has access to the airstrip so the planes can take off.

      What happened is basically someone skipping the "get out of car and into plane" part.

      I have been to similar small airports, and they don't always have a significant barrier between the "car parking section" and the "aircraft hangar section". In this case it seems there is none (again, makes sense - who wants to walk far between them in Alaskan weather?).

    35. Re:The real question is by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Forgot to address my own *:

      If/when cars are autonomous, who takes responsibility when a "bug" causes cars to drive themselves into life-threatening situations?

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    36. Re:The real question is by NatasRevol · · Score: 1
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    37. Re:The real question is by Pedahzur · · Score: 1

      [Posted an answer...but not showing up. Apologize if a dupe.]

      As someone who lives in Fairbanks, I can answer this. The side of the airport to which the user is directed is the general aviation side, thus there is access for businesses and owners of private planes. Thus, much less restricted entry. More details here: http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130924/iphone-map-app-directs-fairbanks-drivers-airport-taxiway

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    38. Re:The real question is by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      > Good luck driving onto the airplane.

      I believe the point was airplane security, rather than airplane access per se. If I can drive up to the airplane, wearing maintenance coveralls and in a vehicle with insignia on it, chances are good I can do things like "inspect the fuselage" or "add the captain's baggage". Or even "this parcel is to test destination airport security, would you please add it to the bags being loaded?"

    39. Re:The real question is by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Shesh folks.. There are a number of unfenced airports out there. They generally don't carry commercial traffic and it would be easy to get a car on the runway. In fact, there is one not a mile from where I type that I could easily get onto the runway and not ever leave pavement or have to open a gate. Only single engine aircraft usually operate there and there is NO FENCE

      Fairbanks International. Regular, commercial 737 flights. 737-used runway. See the problem?

    40. Re:The real question is by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Thanks! That makes some sense, though it still seems odd that a car on the GA side can get on to the taxiway and cross a big-jet runway without being stopped by some kind of security ...

    41. Re:The real question is by PenguSven · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does this have to do with a wheel falling off a car? That is a clear and present danger. GPS is at best, advice. ADVICE. If i went and bought some piece of shit ford and the GPS gave me wrong directions, yes I would hold Ford responsible and expect them to fix it, but I would also not blame them if I was stupid enough to ignore multiple warning signs and a fucking gate, and thus drove onto a runway.

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    42. Re:The real question is by sgtrock · · Score: 2

      From Wikipedia:

      According to an estimate of 2011 the population of the city was 32,036

      Ummm, yeah. We're talking about an awfully small city, here. I doubt that there's much of a security threat. Kids joyriding might be the worst, and why bother with the airport when there are thousands of square miles to go off-roading just outside of town?

    43. Re:The real question is by PenguSven · · Score: 1

      Presumably the car would realise it shouldn't go through a fucking gate without confirmation?

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    44. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck driving onto the airplane.

      Seriously, not the same thing.

      Wrong preposition, genius. The correct phrase is "driving into the airplane". And if you're on the runway with a suicide bomber mentality, it would be fairly trivial to cause significant damage with nothing but an SUV.

    45. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you call it an international airport, doesn't really make it a large airport.

    46. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's still podunk, but even at smaller Alaska airports that I fly out of, I've NEVER seen where you can breach a gate without an ID card. Certainly Ketchikan, Sitka and Juneau, the 3rd, 4th and 5th largest 'cities' in Alaska don't allow unfettered access to the tarmac. (Fairbanks is the second largest city in Alaska. Anchorage has a real airport named after the state's primary Saint, Ted Stevens.)

      Somebody at Fairbanks screwed up.....

    47. Re:The real question is by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      I expect the airport was built on top of an old deer crossing road which figured in all northern maps.

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    48. Re:The real question is by Pope · · Score: 1

      No shit. It's the same as maps: I moved to MA in 1984, and on the map books we got, there was a street listed that didn't exist: it would have gone straight through the middle of someone's house. 20 years later, I went back and picked up a new map. The phantom street is still there. Anyone who followed the map blindly up that person's driveway and crashed into their garage is stupid enough to lose their license forever. Ignoring the obvious signs in favour of a map or GPS instruction is cause for serious alarm.

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    49. Re:The real question is by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      And it's Apple's fault that this route is open to drivers?

      No, but if you read the article, it most certainly is Apple's fault that it's decided that Taxiway Bravo is "the Fairbanks airport."

      The maps are correct. They don't treat the runway as a road, and they include the car access roads that run through the airport. The problem is that it declares "the airport" to be a point next to the runway, and then tells drivers how to get there. Once the driver gets there, they find the terminal across the runway and just blindly drive across it.

      All Apple has to do is fix this is move the POI that is "Fairbanks Airport" to be the actual terminal and not some point next to the runway.

      Of course, as far as I can tell, Apple literally never updates POIs. When iOS 6 came out, I looked through it around my neighborhood, and the POIs were hilariously misplaced. (Things like stores that are literally in the same building being displayed as being blocks apart.) The last time I checked, which, granted, was like a month ago, they were still wrong. And, yes, I submitted a "correction" thing after someone pointed out the gray-link on a gray-background hidden behind a menu for you to "report problems."

      The problem is entirely with Apple's data. The maps themselves are good, the search and POIs - you know, the stuff Apple does - are just flat-out broken.

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    50. Re:The real question is by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      That phantom road might have been a copyright deal. Folks selling mapbooks and A-Z guides would often put a few phantom streets into their maps. That way if someone simply copied the books without surveying the streets themselves then they could be more easily sued for copyright theft. It's a bit like GI Joe's thumbnail.

    51. Re:The real question is by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a problem until Apple Maps made it a problem. There are low bridges that are clearly sign posted and which were not a problem until TomTom made them a problem by directing large vehicles under them.

      It's easy to blame the people following the directions, but people make mistakes. We are all human, and one mistake doesn't mean we should be removed from the gene pool. Software that gives driving directions needs to take some responsibility too. Interestingly that is how the law sees it too in the UK - if you wave another driver through without checking and another car hits them you can be held partially responsible.

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    52. Re:The real question is by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Jesus, but you're one angry dude.

      Calm down, man - someone on the internet disagreeing with you is not a good reason to give yourself a coronary.

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    53. Re:The real question is by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Presumably the car would realise it shouldn't go through a fucking gate without confirmation?

      Presumably there's no way to actually know until such a situation is encountered.

      Also, that doesn't answer my question (in fact you completely ignored it).

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    54. Re:The real question is by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 2

      Could it have been a trap street, which are fake roads put onto maps to prove copyright infringement?

    55. Re:The real question is by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      The Fairbanks airport is also used by small private planes. The east ramp, where the incidents occurred, is where the small commercial operators, and the private planes are parked. In order to get over where the operators are, you have to cross a large open area. I doubt that this can happen undetected.

    56. Re:The real question is by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      . . .737-used runway. See the problem?

      No, it's not. This happened on the east ramp. It connects to the other runway, but there's a fair bit of space there, and they'll be noticed.

      Fairbanks is in a favorable position for flights going over the pole, so we see a number of planes larger than the 737. The runway was lengthened some years ago to accommodate these planes.

    57. Re:The real question is by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      We have a runway big enough for the Antonov AN225.

    58. Re:The real question is by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      If I can drive up to the airplane. . .

      But you can't do this undetected. The BBC article doesn't explain that this is not over by the terminal. This is the east ramp, where private and small commercial operators are parked. You have to cross a huge open area in order to get to the large commercial planes.

    59. Re:The real question is by Wookact · · Score: 1

      OK, my point was that it is a small airport in that there are very few gates, and a very small terminal. The airport serves what about 40k people if you include wainwright?

    60. Re:The real question is by Cyclizine · · Score: 1

      Anyone been to Shetland? Look at Runway 09/27 and the main A970 road on Streetview - straight onto the runway!

    61. Re:The real question is by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Shesh folks.. There are a number of unfenced airports out there. They generally don't carry commercial traffic and it would be easy to get a car on the runway. In fact, there is one not a mile from where I type that I could easily get onto the runway and not ever leave pavement or have to open a gate. Only single engine aircraft usually operate there and there is NO FENCE

      Fairbanks International. Regular, commercial 737 flights. 737-used runway. See the problem?

      Nope. I've been on the field at a UAL maintenance area inside of ORD fence in a civilian car watching 747's operate. I'd suggest hearing protection, but I don't see a conflict with having cars and trucks on airport grounds, IF they have a reason to be there and stick to the *roads* and not wonder out onto the taxiways and such.

      This is ALASKA on a General Aviation ramp, located a LONG way from where 737's would frequent. So I really do not see a problem with having such access. Have you see the Gibraltar airport? They have a highway going ACROSS the only runway with not much more than a traffic light to stop traffic. That's really IS an international airport.

      By the way, international only means that US customs and/or immigration has set up to process folks and cargo arriving at the airport from other countries. It does not imply that some kind of size or security requirement or minimum number of flights.

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    62. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks! That makes some sense, though it still seems odd that a car on the GA side can get on to the taxiway and cross a big-jet runway without being stopped by some kind of security ...

      Only if you assume the point of airport security is to keep airports secure, and not to keep morons feeling secure in airports. It's an easy mistake to make.

    63. Re:The real question is by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      There are 100,000 in the borough, and it also serves as a hub for the villages and towns from about 100 miles south of Fairbanks up to Barrow, and everything east and west of Fairbanks. You're absolutely right about the size of the airport, and I didn't mean that as anything but a fun fact. (Delta used to fly 757s here for passenger service, but I think that went away a long time ago.)

      As to the 737, Alaska airlines is going to drastically reduce the number of 737s flying to Fairbanks. They've decided that in-state service between Fairbanks and Anchorage should be adequately served by Bombardier QX400s instead. So, it'll look even more like a small regional airport. :-)

    64. Re:The real question is by mjwx · · Score: 1

      And it's Apple's fault that this route is open to drivers? Apple's data comes from third parties - a lot of it is aggregated by the likes of TomTom etc, from local authorities.

      Yes, but it is 100% Apples responsibility to QA this data and make sure it's use is accurate.

      Secondly, it appears that you no SFA about GIS (Geographic Information Systems). Whilst the mapping data is provided by third party sources, the use, the navigation algorithms are provided by Apple (or whomever Apple bought and slapped their logo on). The whole point of a GIS application like Apple or Google maps is to take layers of disparate data and overlay them accurately. If you fail at this, you fail at GIS in it's entirety.

      And it's Apple's fault that this route is open to drivers?

      No, but its Apple's fault drivers were being directed down there. FTA http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24246646

      The airport said it had first complained to the phone-maker three weeks ago via the local attorney general's office.

      Apple had known about the issue for weeks.

      The driver has to shoulder some of the blame for not taking notice of what they are doing (this really says a lot about Apple users) but Apple has to shoulder a lot of the blame for ignoring a known error until it becomes international news.

      Remember the bullshit about people getting lost in Victoria (australia) looking for a town called Mildura?

      It wasn't Bullshit. You're obviously not an Australian. In Australia its easy to get lost, you can be hundreds of kilometers from the nearest town and there is no mobile coverage. People fucking die out there from exposure, snake bites, minor injuries, every year.

      Once again it's Apple's responsibility to QA the data. They didn't know the difference between a town called Mildura and a region called Mildura. The application either didn't know about the town called Mildura or didn't care, in either case it's a serious fuck up.

      The driver has a reasonable expectation that the device will not lead them 100's of KM's in the wrong direction, doubly so in a nation that hosts 10 out of the 10 most dangerous animals on the planet (11 if we count humans).

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    65. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares what kind of barricades there was...

      This is Apples fault for coddling a market of retards.

      Driver was using an iPhone... clear indication they are retarded.

      Anyone who uses an iphone and clearly sees the route go across a runway is a candidate for darwin award.

    66. Re:The real question is by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      My local(ish) airport growing up was in a city of 20,000. There was a fence around the airport grounds. Sure, you could have gotten in if you were persistent or had some wire cutters, but you sure couldn't drive through it by accident.

      That was considerably before the current state of hysteria too.

    67. Re:The real question is by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I've been to Gibraltar. I walked across that runway every morning for a week. There were always guys there in jeeps who took a dim view of anyone, car or pedestrian, who strayed off the marked crossing. Not to mention the customs guys... it IS an international border.

      When a plane is about to take off or land the guys in jeeps shoo everyone off the runway and the barriers come down.

    68. Re:The real question is by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Yeah. You have to build them bigger because everyone has 4x4s.

    69. Re:The real question is by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      There's a city park in Calgary that's right in line with one of the runways. When I was learning to hang glide we used it to train because it has a nice hill that's clear of obstructions almost 360 degrees around. We had to be careful to be holding the gliders down when a plane went over because they were low enough that we would feel the wash.

      There were a bunch of no kite flying signs. Generally we'd get in a few runs before a woman (it was always a woman for some reason) with a cop in tow would show up. We'd show the cop a copy of our letter from Transport Canada giving us permission, then chat with him about hang gliding for a bit while the woman turned purple.

    70. Re:The real question is by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      At every airport I've ever been to that "motion activated gate" has required id, a keycard, a combination or getting out of the car and turning a key in the rusty padlock. Anchorage International may want to invest in something similar.

    71. Re:The real question is by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Whoops, Fairbanks.

    72. Re:The real question is by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Thanks! That makes some sense, though it still seems odd that a car on the GA side can get on to the taxiway and cross a big-jet runway without being stopped by some kind of security ...

      Only if you assume the point of airport security is to keep airports secure, and not to keep morons feeling secure in airports. It's an easy mistake to make.

      Very good point!

    73. Re:The real question is by j-beda · · Score: 1

      If I can drive up to the airplane. . .

      But you can't do this undetected. The BBC article doesn't explain that this is not over by the terminal. This is the east ramp, where private and small commercial operators are parked. You have to cross a huge open area in order to get to the large commercial planes.

      And getting a vehicle that would look legit and legit clothing would do nothing to prevent anyone seeing you from thinking you were up to no good, so we are totally safe! Especially now that you cannot bring your nail clippers or bottled water on board.

      I don't doubt that this is not a significant risk, but in comparison to the other risks we are guarding against, this seems at least as "dangerous". And accidentally bringing water on board is nowhere near as dangerous as accidental driving across the runway. There should be a physical barrier preventing "civilians" from accidentally getting onto the taxiway.

    74. Re:The real question is by akgooseman · · Score: 1

      Condor flies 767s from Frankfurt to and from Fairbanks. We see 747s every time Anchorage is shut down for weather. And Alaska Airlines is poised to drop 737 service in favor of the Bombers.

    75. Re:The real question is by Gogo0 · · Score: 1

      to be fair, the Sitka tarmac is halfway sticking out into Sitka Sound. I could have driven my boat up to it and walked out there any time I wanted (though i never did want to). also sitka has (had? havent been back in years) a national guard building against the other end of the runway, i think there were points of entry around there as well.

      look at it this way: alaska has nothing worth terror-attacking, and we're so far away from the lower 48 that few people down there would care for very long, past the fear-mongers grasping for more power. we're different because we're in a position that allows us to be without raising anyone's hackles

    76. Re:The real question is by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      One thing you have to remember is people are STUPID.

    77. Re:The real question is by dtfinch · · Score: 1

      The software did its job. But they buy their maps from at least a dozen other companies and one of them made an easy mistake, like marking a private road as public. That's not quite the same as a wheel falling off.

    78. Re:The real question is by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      What if Ford bought the lug nuts from a third party? Ha.

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  4. Alaska's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They are using their roads incorrectly. Next time they should consult Apple before undertaking such projects so that the routes can be preapproved.

    1. Re:Alaska's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can't afford them. iRoads require electric iCars, which can only be charged at approved, official iCharging Stations available outside of Apple Stores. The Apple Store in Anchorage is a good ways away from the airport, though (as are almost any two randomly chosen addresses in Alaska), so maybe the iCars would run out of battery before they made it to the runway? Hey, it's a feature!

    2. Re:Alaska's fault by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Alaska can afford them - just get their legislators to attach a $100M Alaskan iRoad improvement project to a bill declaring Jun 23rd National Take Your Pot Bellied Pig To Work Day. Alaskan pork barrel politics as usual...

  5. From TFA by barlevg · · Score: 1

    barricades had since been erected to block access to the final stretch of the taxiway and that they would not be removed until Apple had updated its directions.

    Not clear why they weren't there before.

    1. Re:From TFA by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Not clear why they weren't there before.

      Because the same barricades that would stop a car would also stop airplanes who are supposed to be there, and sometimes need to use taxiways to get on and off of the runway and to the gate and back. Do'h.

    2. Re:From TFA by PenguSven · · Score: 1

      Or why they would be removed after a GPS app is updated?

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  6. George Carlin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. So now, let me get this straight:

    You park in a driveway.

    You drive on a parkway.

    You also drive on a runway.

    You run on a track....

    It doesn't quite fit the theme, but I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's next prediction of users' desired actions leads SUVs to go barreling down running tracks at high schools, mowing down triathletes and future Olympians with reckless abandon. The driver's explanation in court: "I was too busy trying to get out of this stupid app and make Siri shut up".

  7. Airport security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't the airport be blocked against people that take their cars to the runway?

    1. Re:Airport security by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      No.

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    2. Re:Airport security by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Why? So people cannot pull up to the aircraft to load/unload stuff on the ramp? This is Alaska we are talking about. Nearly everybody gets around by plane because maintaining roads over long distances is too expensive and difficult up there.

      Besides, there are PLENTY of airports in the lower 48 where you can easily drive onto the ramp and thus the runway. They are not the large commercial airport operations like ORD, DFW or ATL, but one can easily drive onto the General Aviation ramp without so much as a speed bump or gate to open. Do you think the TSA does passenger screaming for the two guys getting into the C-150 heading out to do touch and goes? Of course they don't. Neither do all airports have 8ft fences with barbed wire on top running around them. Some have literally NOTHING around them but mowed grass (if that). Check out KFFA which is at the Kill Devil Hills, Wright Brothers Memorial. You can get on that airport ramp with your car without any problem and use the 3,000 Ft runway for drag racing if you wanted. Before the Bolivar MO airport got moved, the east west runway used to double as a ball field and I routinely had to buzz the field and wait for the players to clear out so I could land when the wind was going east/west.

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    3. Re:Airport security by Anti-Social+Network · · Score: 1

      I think GP is getting at the inherent discrepancy between the Gate Gestapo (AKA TSA) and a completely unsecured runway. If we're worried about mules carrying guns, knives, etc. onboard a plane, why aren't we concerned about guys driving up and throwing a sticky bomb into the wheel well and blowing up the plane with no operative casualties at all? Seems like an even better proposition than suicide bombs from their angle, and if we're going to pretend we're concerned about nail clippers, we should probably see that the whole system isn't subverted by some guy having his wife drive up and give him the contraband just before boarding. Once the word gets out it will be an endless plague of circumvention, like how everybody knows where to get the latest Gaga album for free download online. Not that I agree with the lengths we go to to keep scary-looking metal objects off of planes, but if we're going to have rules there is something to be said for consistent enforcement.

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    4. Re:Airport security by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      And I was getting at 'dumb question gets dumb answer'.

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    5. Re:Airport security by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You've nicely illustrated that either (a) it's not a problem to have people driving on the taxiways and runways or (b) it is a problem, and there should be a fence.

      My home town has an airport. We used to ride our bikes on the runway all the time, because it had no cars and was long, straight and cool. The local flying club or the odd oil exec flying in didn't care: they buzzed the runway routinely before landing to make sure there wasn't anybody (or any cows) on it.

      The nearest commercial airport (in a city smaller than Fairbanks) had a fence, mostly because airline pilots dislike buzzing the field before their approach. It wasn't much of a fence, but if you had a plane there you had to get the combination for the lock on the gate from whoever was in charge of that kind of thing. You couldn't drive through it casually though.

  8. It's a feature, not a bug by DieByWire · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cool. Apple is now providing taxiing directions for pilots!

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    1. Re:It's a feature, not a bug by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Of course, that was announced two years ago.

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    2. Re:It's a feature, not a bug by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      Cool. Apple is now providing taxiing directions for pilots!

      Well, there was that story about pilots with iPads in the cockpit, so that would be a natural extension.

    3. Re:It's a feature, not a bug by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      No, it's a leak! If Apple is directing cars to airport runways . . . then this could only mean . . . that Apple is secretly working on a Flying Car!

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  9. Stupid People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called natural selection. If you are stupid enough to drive across a runway because your phone told you to, I say let them go ahead.

    1. Re:Stupid People by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

      The only problem is that stupid people might also take out the smart people on the plane.

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    2. Re:Stupid People by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      It's called natural selection. If you are stupid enough to drive across a runway because your phone told you to, I say let them go ahead.

      Very insightful... er, no, because you forgot the possibility that it could end badly for the pilot and passengers on any plane it collides with.

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    3. Re:Stupid People by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Anybody that goes through TSA is stupid too.

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  10. Google Maps Flaw... by sandysnowbeard · · Score: 2

    "Google Maps Flaw Sends Drivers Across Pacific Ocean" -- article circa 2009

    1. Re:Google Maps Flaw... by rainwater · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it probably didn't take working with the attorney general and putting this story out in the press to get Google to fix it. That is the difference.

    2. Re:Google Maps Flaw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, you don't really know. You're speculating.

      Any chance to bash Apple and point out how great Google is must be taken!

    3. Re:Google Maps Flaw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't published by the press because Google doesn't generate the page views that Apple does. Pure and simple - this is a story solely because it's about Apple and Apple gets clicks which drives advertising revenue. Google has had numerous flaws with their maps and directions but it doesn't make the news because it won't push advertising dollars. When it happens to Apple, however, OMFG!! FRONT PAGE NEWS!! NOW NOW NOW!!

    4. Re:Google Maps Flaw... by bhagwad · · Score: 3

      That...was a deliberate joke on Google's part. The tip off is that in the driving directions list it told you to "swim across the pacific to xyz country"!

  11. calendar check. by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

    FTFS:

    The airport said it had been told the problem would be fixed by Wednesday. However the BBC still experienced the issue when it tested the app,

    umm, it's weds morning. give them to EOD sounds reasonable.

    1. Re:calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In some parts of the world, "by Wednesday" means "before Wednesday". It's like the differences between "next/this/last weekend" in different regions of the US.

    2. Re:calendar check. by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      FTFS:

      The airport said it had been told the problem would be fixed by Wednesday. However the BBC still experienced the issue when it tested the app,

      umm, it's weds morning. give them to EOD sounds reasonable.

      Ummm, fixed "by" Wednesday means just that. If it's Wednesday, then it's supposed to be fixed. Fixed "on" Wednesday would give them until the EOD. By, in this context is synonymous with "before." So, if they said "It will be fixed before Wednesday," would you still say give them until the EOD?

    3. Re:calendar check. by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      Ummm, fixed "by" Wednesday means just that. If it's Wednesday, then it's supposed to be fixed. Fixed "on" Wednesday would give them until the EOD. By, in this context is synonymous with "before." So, if they said "It will be fixed before Wednesday," would you still say give them until the EOD?

      i agree, if somebody said fixed before weds I would expect it to be done when I got to work weds morning. but if someone said fixed by weds, with no time specification, i wouldn't sweat the definition. seems overly harsh. just chillax! you must be a bear to work with.

    4. Re:calendar check. by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even then though, did the BBC check before 0:00:01 cupertino time?
      May still have been Tuesday...

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    5. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. If we can bash apple for taking 24 hours longer than we think they should take then we will. We are slashdot. We bash apple

    6. Re: calendar check. by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Airport's fault. No one should be able to drive their car right onto the runway, no matter what GPS or voice in their heads is telling them. Fire whoever runs this airport because they're a moron for not putting a fence up

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    7. Re: calendar check. by neonKow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Airport's fault. No one should be able to drive their car right onto the runway, no matter what GPS or voice in their heads is telling them. Fire whoever runs this airport because they're a moron for not putting a fence up

      I think it's pretty reasonable to think that a MILE of warning signs that you might get hit by a freaking plane is enough deterant.

      And before you keep going on about physical security, remember that stupid is always going to find a way.

      From TFA:

      "They had to enter the airport property via a motion-activated gate, and afterwards there are many signs, lights and painted markings, first warning that aircraft may share the road and then that drivers should not be there at all.

      "They needed to drive over a mile with all this before reaching the runway. But the drivers disregarded all that because they were following the directions given on their iPhones."

      These aren't drunk frat boys pulling some shenaigans in the middle of the night. These are fully competent, licensed drivers who turned off their own brains and replaced them with iPhones. This is NOT the airport's fault. It's called personal responsibility.

    8. Re: calendar check. by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right. So the TSA are x-raying and groping passengers, meanwhile the gates are open for anyone who wants to go joy-riding on the runway. Seems inconsistent.

    9. Re: calendar check. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These are fully competent, licensed drivers who turned off their own brains and replaced them with iPhones. This is NOT the airport's fault. It's called personal responsibility.

      No, it's called "loyal Apple users".

    10. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These aren't drunk frat boys pulling some shenaigans in the middle of the night. These are fully competent, licensed drivers who turned off their own brains and replaced them with iPhones. This is NOT the airport's fault. It's called personal responsibility.

      They're ignoring all these signs and you think they're fully competent?

    11. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. A sign is not enough.
      Even two hundred signs are not enough.
      If cars aren't supposed to drive there you should block the road with a gate, or a fence or something.
      The drivers are also idiots.

    12. Re: calendar check. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what you are saying is that they built it wrong.

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    13. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agree, except that "fully competent" drivers wouldn't have blindly followed such directions, no matter the source.

    14. Re: calendar check. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      And we can't even take comfort from them potentially getting a Darwin Award.

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    15. Re:calendar check. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Ummm, fixed "by" Wednesday means just that. If it's Wednesday, then it's supposed to be fixed. Fixed "on" Wednesday would give them until the EOD. By, in this context is synonymous with "before." So, if they said "It will be fixed before Wednesday," would you still say give them until the EOD?

      i agree, if somebody said fixed before weds I would expect it to be done when I got to work weds morning. but if someone said fixed by weds, with no time specification, i wouldn't sweat the definition. seems overly harsh. just chillax! you must be a bear to work with.

      I wonder... I presume Apple meant it'd be fixed by Wednesday Pacific Daylight Time -- as this is the BBC reporting, did they test in the 8 hour window before it was Wednesday in Fairbanks? Probably not, but it's worth asking.

    16. Re: calendar check. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Airport's fault. No one should be able to drive their car right onto the runway, no matter what GPS or voice in their heads is telling them. Fire whoever runs this airport because they're a moron for not putting a fence up

      I think it's pretty reasonable to think that a MILE of warning signs that you might get hit by a freaking plane is enough deterant.

      And before you keep going on about physical security, remember that stupid is always going to find a way.

      From TFA:

      "They had to enter the airport property via a motion-activated gate, and afterwards there are many signs, lights and painted markings, first warning that aircraft may share the road and then that drivers should not be there at all.

      "They needed to drive over a mile with all this before reaching the runway. But the drivers disregarded all that because they were following the directions given on their iPhones."

      These aren't drunk frat boys pulling some shenaigans in the middle of the night. These are fully competent, licensed drivers who turned off their own brains and replaced them with iPhones. This is NOT the airport's fault. It's called personal responsibility.

      I do wonder what would happen if Apple Maps told everyone to jump off a bridge....

    17. Re: calendar check. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is part of a MUCH larger problem I call "the machine never lies" which i have run into MANY times and it goes like this...if common sense tells you one thing and a machine another? The machine never lies so you are incorrect. I have had to call a manager when a cash register said change for a hundred with a 9 dollar purchase was 11 dollars, common sense would tell you that its wrong but the girl simply refused to believe the machine COULD be wrong so hence the manager. I had to go through that again recently when a relative passed on, the moron at the desk refused to believe she didn't owe property taxes for this year...on a piece of property she had sold over a decade ago. Again the machine doesn't lie so no matter what it says they believe it.

      As more and more crap like built in mapping end up on every phone I have a feeling we'll see a lot of morons driving off of bridges, driving out in front of trains, as long as the machine tells them to? The little lemmings will march on...God who would have thought that Idiocracy would end up being a documentary?

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    18. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airport's fault. No one should be able to drive their car right onto the runway, no matter what GPS or voice in their heads is telling them. Fire whoever runs this airport because they're a moron for not putting a fence up

      This is Alaska, not New Jersey. You can't buy enough fence to surround every area that could benefit from it. Signs and good maps are a more practical solution here.

    19. Re: calendar check. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Airport's fault. No one should be able to drive their car right onto the runway, no matter what GPS or voice in their heads is telling them. Fire whoever runs this airport because they're a moron for not putting a fence up

      How?

      Runways need to be accessible to vehicles. As in unhindered access to emergency vehicles.

      Its primarily the users fault for trusting the GPS implicitly and ignoring the signs and the fact they were driving onto a bloody runway. This says a lot about Apple users.

      Secondarily it's Apple's fault for building such a crappy mapping system that it directs people across runways. Now if this was a once off you might get away with the "everyone has a few minor glitches" but this is just the latest in a long running series of failures in Apple's mapping products indicating a serious QA failure. This is doubly so seeing as it was a known flaw and Fairbanks airport has complained to Apple about it three weeks ago, FTA:

      The airport said it had first complained to the phone-maker three weeks ago via the local attorney general's office.

      So Apple has to shoulder a lot of the blame here because they knew about the error.

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    20. Re:calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck that. screw apple and their shit products.

    21. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inconsistent? You think there should be groping on the runway too?

    22. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone users are denied entry to the Darwin awards - as are octopuses to boxing matches =D

    23. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nature's way of trying to prevent Idiocracy becoming a documentary.

    24. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah. Blame the airport, everyone.

    25. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The collective IQ of the world would at least double. That's a guarantee.

    26. Re: calendar check. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      No this is consistently inconsistent across the entire world. Here in Australia there is no TSA. Yet you can fly from a major city in a plane carrying 180 passengers and have to clear some hours worth of security checks to get to another city or country. In a country town you can fly in a plane carrying 180 passengers and have to clear a pool fence (no I'm not joking, it's a magnetic latched, child safe pool fence) to get to one of the same cities with the same number of people on board.

    27. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do wonder what would happen if Apple Maps told everyone to jump off a bridge....

      I'd really love such a move from Apple, they would also deserve at least an honorary Darwin award.

    28. Re: calendar check. by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      These are fully competent, licensed drivers who turned off their own brains and replaced them with iPhones.

      In some cases this could be an upgrade

    29. Re: calendar check. by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      I do wonder what would happen if Apple Maps told everyone to jump off a bridge....

      There's a challenge to hackers!

    30. Re: calendar check. by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      These are fully competent, licensed drivers who turned off their own brains and replaced them with iPhones.

      That is a self contradictory sentence. They are not fully competent if they turn off their brains while driving.

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    31. Re: calendar check. by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its primarily the users fault for trusting the GPS implicitly and ignoring the signs and the fact they were driving onto a bloody runway. This says a lot about Apple users.

      No. It says nothing about Apple users at all. It says the two people who drove across a runway are idiots. You don't know that there weren't many, many other Apple users who said "the instructions take me across a runway, so I'll ignore them". You also don't know how many Google/TomTom/Garmin etc users would have done the same thing if presented with erroneous instructions.

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    32. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airport's fault. No one should be able to drive their car right onto the runway, no matter what GPS or voice in their heads is telling them. Fire whoever runs this airport because they're a moron for not putting a fence up

      How? Runways need to be accessible to vehicles. As in unhindered access to emergency vehicles. Its primarily the users fault for trusting the GPS implicitly and ignoring the signs and the fact they were driving onto a bloody runway. This says a lot about Apple users. Secondarily it's Apple's fault for building such a crappy mapping system that it directs people across runways. Now if this was a once off you might get away with the "everyone has a few minor glitches" but this is just the latest in a long running series of failures in Apple's mapping products indicating a serious QA failure. This is doubly so seeing as it was a known flaw and Fairbanks airport has complained to Apple about it three weeks ago, FTA:

      The airport said it had first complained to the phone-maker three weeks ago via the local attorney general's office.

      So Apple has to shoulder a lot of the blame here because they knew about the error.

      Exactly! TWO people out of 200,000,000+ did this, so clearly ALL 200,000,000+ are morons! I guess next time TWO Americans/Chinese/ETC do something completely stupid means ALL of them are morons! #androidfanboilogicfail

      Maybe we should just leave all doors and windows open and remove fences everywhere just in case emergency personal or vehicles need access someday! #androidfanboilogicfail

      Clearly Apple should be completely responsible because after ONE moron drove onto the runway they should have IMMEDIATELY dropped everything and patched the mapping system! I imagine it went like this:
      Call to Apple: "This is Apple. What? ONE moron drove onto the runway? We have 200 million iOS devices out there, so, yeah, we'll fix this next upgrade cycle, surely this won't happen again and maybe in the meantime you should put maybe a gate up to prevent people from driving onto the runway."

      IF someone drove onto the runway and sneaked on a plane and hijacked it would it still be Apples fault because the airport don't have a fence? If anything this situation is more embarrassing to the airport for having security and metal detectors scanning passengers but NOTHING that stops someone from driving right up to the plane and placing explosives all over it.

      think before you type next time, you're just making yourself look stupid

    33. Re: calendar check. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's two people out of the relatively small number of people who drive to Fairbanks Airport.... after all the Fairbanks metro area is only about 100K people. It would have been more entertaining if Apple managed to bork up directions to a major airport... the better security there would likely have prevented the people from bypassing security, but also if enough people were doing it at once would have caused traffic jams trying to back their way out.

      And all your ranting about people sneaking on to planes and such is irrelevant... the two drivers were spotted and met pretty quickly by the TSA and police.

      Apple is just lucky that one of those two morons didn't cause a accident killing 300 people... that wouldn't look good on the news.

    34. Re: calendar check. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      More like walruses in the high jump.

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    35. Re: calendar check. by bdwebb · · Score: 1

      Seems inconsistent.

      Sounds about right to me.

  12. Bureaucracy by guytoronto · · Score: 2

    "The airport said it had complained to the phone-maker through the local attorney general's office."
    The airport couldn't contact Apple directly? Instead they need to involve other levels of bureaucracy and red tape?

    1. Re:Bureaucracy by magsol · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Have you tried to get technical assistance from Apple without visiting their Genius Bars? It's like they don't want you to speak directly with a human being. Though I have to admit, the thought of airport officials walking into the Genius Bar of an Apple Store is more than a little amusing.

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  13. Driving across runway? What's wrong with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Picky Alaskans.

    Crossing a runway is fine if you're driving from Spain to Gibraltar.

    http://izismile.com/2009/01/23/gibraltar_airport_runway_crosses_the_road_to_spain_12_pics.html

    1. Re:Driving across runway? What's wrong with that? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      More interesting to walk it.

  14. The funny thing is by adolf · · Score: 0

    From the headline alone, before I even read the first sentence, I knew this had to be about England.

    Only in England, it seems, do stories about people actually driving down cowpaths, fording rivers, and (apparently) crossing runways "because the GPS said so" originate.

    (That said, I know of one airport in the US where the end of the runway intersects with the main road. There are signs in each direction advising drivers to yield to aircraft.)

    1. Re:The funny thing is by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      Umm...this is in Fairbanks, Alaska, USA.

    2. Re:The funny thing is by adolf · · Score: 1

      Umm...this is in Fairbanks, Alaska, USA.

      Stop trying to confuse the issue with your facts. I already said I KNOW this story is from England and I didn't even read the first sentence!

      What do you expect from me? That I'd actually read TFS?

      You must be new here.

    3. Re:The funny thing is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd actually read the first sentence past "BBC", you'd know that the story is not about England, but about the United States; specifically, Fairbanks Alaska.

      Uh, you do know that Alaska is part of the United States, right?

    4. Re:The funny thing is by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      That's not remotely a 'main road'.

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    5. Re:The funny thing is by adolf · · Score: 1

      It is compared to the other roads on the island. Remember, everything is relative. It sure isn't Lakeshore Drive, but then it's not Chicago, either.

      It is also the Eastern-most north-south thoroughfare; every other north-south road on that side of the island is bifurcated by the runway.

      Thus, whether you like it or not, it is a main road. If it were to somehow disappear one day, many (more minor) other roads would become isolated.

      To use a tree analogy: Even a very small tree tends to have a few main branches.

    6. Re:The funny thing is by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      It's an unmarked road. There's no shoulder lines. There's no center line(s). It's just blacktop.

      The ONLY marking is to stop before the runway.

      Just because you call it a main road doesn't mean it's a main road.

      To reuse your tree analog, this is a seedling road. Not an actual tree.

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    7. Re: The funny thing is by adolf · · Score: 1

      You need to get out of the city sometime, kid. There's lots about the world that you're sure you know all about, but really don't have any clue about.

    8. Re: The funny thing is by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Sure, whatever you say.

      Guess what. This is where I spent my last vacation:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawah_Wilderness
      http://resourceanalysis.com/trails/trail123/tr123.html
      5 days of backpack camping with my kid. 10 miles/day with a 50 lb pack.

      And the roads to get you there are marked. But still aren't main roads.

      So get off your high, arrogant horse.

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    9. Re: The funny thing is by adolf · · Score: 1

      Guess what? You set the bar pretty low: at only 10 miles a day, you must've had lots of spare time. (I've done my share of backpacking, myself.)

      Meanwhile, the road IS marked. It is named, has signs at intersections, and it is on the map (though not the particular viewpoint I linked). It is maintained with public money. It does not have paint on the shoulder, but I do not understand how a couple of white lines makes any difference to its function as a roadway.

      It's not my fault that you can't read a map and glean from it the purpose of the roads there.

    10. Re: The funny thing is by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Guess you didn't read the part where all of those trails were about 9500 ft. I doubt you've ever done backpack camping in real mountains.

      Any road without a divider marking & shoulder markings isn't a main road.

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    11. Re:The funny thing is by dwye · · Score: 1

      Umm, this was the BBC.

      Which means it was probably Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear having his usual fun when in the USA.

    12. Re: The funny thing is by adolf · · Score: 1

      Because you said so.

    13. Re: The funny thing is by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Because common sense.

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    14. Re: The funny thing is by adolf · · Score: 1

      Because your common sense is worth more than my common sense.

  15. Not a Maps flaw by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

    It's a user flaw.

    I never understood how someone could just blindly follow GPS directions and enter what is most likely very well marked security area, or even just use common sense and NOT drive onto a runway. Also mind boggling is the idea of driving into a river or lake.

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    1. Re:Not a Maps flaw by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "Not a Maps flaw. It's a user flaw"

      I'm pretty sure it was both. Dear God I hope you don't write software for a living. Of course, if you do, Apple might be hiring for their Maps team!

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  16. Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But my phone told me to do it officer!

  17. NOTAM by tylersoze · · Score: 1

    Supposedly the FAA issued a NOTAM (Notice To AirMen) about this, but I haven't been able to find it. I wonder what it said, something like "watch for dumbasses crossing the runway"?

    1. Re:NOTAM by Xolotl · · Score: 2

      It's fairly boring. Here is the NOTAM:

      FAI FAIRBANKS INTL

      !FAI 09/092 FAI TWY FLOAT POND RD AT TWY B CLSD LGTD AND BARRICADED TIL 1309302355

      You can find it at Pilotweb, unfortunately I can't immediately see how to post a direct URL. You can see it matches the details in this article.

  18. Weenies by linear+a · · Score: 1

    99% of the time it's perfectly safe.

  19. Issue has existed as long as Apple Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During the beta period which introduced Apple Maps, the same flaw existed for the Pittsburgh International Airport. Apple Maps would try to direct you to drive out onto the runway. It took months for Apple to get around to fixing the problem for PIA.

  20. cause this never happened to google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.cio.com/article/686778/6_Memorable_Google_Maps_Mishaps?page=1#slideshow

  21. Maybe the driver should lose their license. by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2

    Maybe the drivers in these cases should lose their license. Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense, so saying that my iPhone told me to drive across a runway should make no difference. If somebody is stupid enough to do that, they are too stupid to be allowed to drive. Maybe Apple should re-think their "Think Different" campaign and just tell people to "Think!"

  22. Its starting. by dantotheman · · Score: 1

    Is this the first sign of the technological singularity? What better way to start picking off the puny human race than to lead them into dangerous situations....

    I for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

  23. A man using Apple Maps walks into a bar by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    or a hotel, or possibly a church...

  24. Jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought the episode of The Office where Michael blindly follows his GPS into a pond was where the series jumped the shark. Now it appears that some people really are that stupid and perhaps it was a commentary on average intelligence rather than a cheap ploy for a laugh.

    1. Re:Jumped the shark by FlipperPA · · Score: 1

      Yeah, although the series was well on its way before then. Here's the video clip, for anyone who hasn't seen it:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIakZtDmMgo

  25. Waste if tax layer money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is an airport paying to install and power a gate that will just open for anyone? Why even have it there if you just have to wave your arms for it to open?

  26. A GPS is not a brain replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GPS is a replacement for maps, not for one's brain. All map systems have errors, including Google Maps, and you need to be ready for them.

  27. Apple mistake equals news Google mistake Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love google maps but i have encountered similar problems with their maps. why is this a story? Before google offered turn by turn navigation for the iphone I had bought Tom Tom app and they were terrible compared to both Apple and Google.

    Sooner or later we are going to get stories when Tim Cook uses the bathroom.

  28. It's a feature not a bug by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    You shouldn't be driving to the airport in the first place.

    Take the light rail instead.

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    1. Re:It's a feature not a bug by Nethead · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for the Lynnwood to Anchorage plans to show up on the ST website.

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    2. Re:It's a feature not a bug by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for the Lynnwood to Anchorage plans to show up on the ST website.

      You mean the ones along I-5?

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  29. Re:Maybe the car should lose its license by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    What if this had been a "self-driven" car, like Google wants us to use?

    Ooops.

    Hundreds dead due to map error. Film at 11.

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  30. In WA this is illegal for different reason by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    You're not allowed to use your phone while driving.

    Period.

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  31. Gibralter by rlp · · Score: 1

    Visited Gibralter a some years ago. I arrived by train from the Spanish side, went through customs and walked across the airport runway into Gibralter.

    The airport is on the only flat section of land, and cars and pedestrians must cross the runway to enter Gibralter. On the way out, I heard an alarm going off and the gates far ahead of me were closing. Looked down the runway and there was a plane coming in. Needless to say I got off the runway as quickly as possible.

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  32. I live in Fairbanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live in Fairbanks Alaska, and use the airport a few times per month. Even though it serves big planes (737s and 757s, and even 747 cargo planes sometimes), it also has a substantial general aviation area, a float plane pond (i.e., a lake), and a number of small commercial operations that are on the GA side of the airport. You can see this a little bit in the the article's coverage, or fire up your favorite mapping program to take a look.

    The commercial side of the airport is similar to anyplace else in the US: lots of fences, signs, and recordings saying you should not park in the red zone. The GA and small carrier side is more open. You can drive right up to, say, Wright Air's twin propeller aircraft and load up your dog food (or dogs). There are two pairs of runways and taxiways: one serves the commercial side, then there is a float pond in the middle, and then there is the side for GA and small in-state carriers.

    What Apple directions do is bring people in via the GA side (which is over a mile away from the commercial side, and involves a very different driving route). As the article says, it's utterly ridiculous that anyone would drive from the GA side, through the parking lots onto the GA tarmac, onto the GA taxiway (literally driving among parked aircraft), cross the GA runway, find one of the crossing points for the pond, cross the commercial runway, and get onto the commercial taxiway on the way to the commercial tarmac. If they did, they'd have no way to get to the commercial side parking lot or into the ticket counter or whatever, without finding their way around a hefty fence. Ridiculous, unless you're ignoring all the signage and indicators that you're really in the wrong place.

    The setup at FAI (aka PAFA) is not that unusual, even at fairly large airports. General aviation is very popular, and there are plenty of in-state commercial operations (especially in Alaska!) that do not require the same security procedures etc. as interstate or international. Getting to the general aviation area is usually just a matter of driving up. The situation at FAI, where you can get from the GA side to the commercial side, via runways, is typical at least at smaller regional airports. For the most part, large commercial aircraft stay on their runway, and smaller operators and private pilots stay on a different runway, taxiway, etc.

    The airport doesn't get a ton of traffic. Just a few score commercial flights per day, and a seasonally variable number of smaller operators and private pilots. There is a control tower, so it's reasonable to assume that any misplaced people driving their car on the runway will be spotted by the tower operator, if an aircraft is preparing to take off or land. This isn't to understate the potential danger. I can imagine someone in a rush to get their plane, speeding across the runway before anyone spots them, resulting in a collision or other mishap.

    I hope this helps. The pictures in the article are pretty good, but don't explain the two different sides of the airport.

    PS: If you are in Fairbanks, and need to take an interstate commercial flight, drive along Airport Way. Just follow the signs.

    1. Re:I live in Fairbanks... by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up ....

    2. Re:I live in Fairbanks... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This seems to be a common issue with Apple Maps. For certain places it doesn't know where the place people want to actually go, so it just directs you to the centre point. That's what happened in Australia where it was sending people into the outback. The destination was set to the middle of the administrative area, not the town where people might actually want to go.

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    3. Re:I live in Fairbanks... by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      Google provides a better picture.

  33. Remember, its an instant 3 stars for trespassing by bellers · · Score: 2

    You don't want to get on the airport unless youve bought the hangar there, otherwise the cops will be all over you.

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  34. lemmings by ilec_geek · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Are Apple Maps users really this dumb? Did you get a clue the map might be in error when it directed you TOWARDS the place where the big airplanes are? What happens if the map directs you over a cliff? Will that help cleanse the world of Apple brainwashed morons?

    1. Re:lemmings by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      No more than it cleansed the world of Garmin/TomTom/Google brainwashed morons.

  35. Google maps error too by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    In New Mexico, Google maps sent drivers 50 miles out of their way because it doesn't know that a road that was closed 2 years ago in a flood was re-opened shortly after that. Considering this is a main route to a National Monument, it's not just some podunk mistake. They finally fixed this last week.

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    1. Re:Google maps error too by Skater · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a much safer error than the one in the article, though. But I've found errors in standalone GPS devices, too; our first one had our house - built in the 60s and never moved or renumbered - on the wrong side of the street. The only story here is that people blindly follow their GPS navigation and turn off their brain, which isn't exactly new either. In fact, people turning off their brain when they drive is a pretty old story, too. So, yeah, now I'm wondering why I clicked on this story.

    2. Re: Google maps error too by neonKow · · Score: 3, Funny

      You too must be new here. Let me regale you with tales of a company called Microsoft...

    3. Re:Google maps error too by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      At the risk of an indirect tautology, is it because you turn off your brain when reading slashdot?

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    4. Re: Google maps error too by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A gps software from Microsoft once attempted to get my Dad to drive along what we think was a power line to the top of the tallest peak in Virginia. Pretty interesting stuff, not only was there no road there, it was far too steep for a vehicle anyway. Fortunately we were able to find a hiking trailhead through other means (reading signs instead of listening to a robot....maybe what these people should have done too.)

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    5. Re:Google maps error too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google listed our street as not being a dead-end and we had people trying to get to places they could not get to because it was in fact a dead-end. Google was very responsive when I notified them of the error. On another occasion I realized that they listed a location for a cemetery incorrectly. Again, I notified them of the error, they verified that I was right, and they fixed it. If no one tells them they have an error in there they aren't going to fix it. They depend on users/drivers/residents to improve their maps. Instead of posting here, tell Google what they need to fix. I bet they are more responsive than Apple was with that airport.

    6. Re: Google maps error too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a certain... quality to your insight. I can't think of exactly what it is, but it is there nonetheless.

    7. Re:Google maps error too by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the road you're talking about was actually closed in the past and detouring around it was the right thing to do, so the maps were right at the time and just hadn't been updated.

      Driving across an airport's runways to get to the other side of the airport has never been the right thing to do. Apple's maps were never right in the first place.

    8. Re:Google maps error too by akozakie · · Score: 1

      Pfffft... You had it easy. My Garmin with maps from about two years ago (yeah, yeah, I know, I should update...) is very hard to use for E-W trips in southern Warsaw, Poland - exactly where I drive most often. It always forces a route through the S2 express road and will ask you to turn around for quite a few kilometers if you miss the crossing and fail to use this route. No wonder - there are absolutely NO traffic jams on this road, there are few alternatives and the express roads have 2.5x higher speed limit (this is a city after all), plus the S2 takes a very, very useful route through the city.

      One problem though - at the time the maps were released the S2 was nothing but a couple of disjoint overpasses, sandy construction sites and untouched grass. It's still not completed today, although I think some parts were opened recently.

      The point is - a GPS is just a useful and easy to use information source, not a reality interface. You can and should check the route it proposes for obvious mistakes, consider the warnings it may not have received and always watch the actual road. It is extremely useful if used with this in mind - but it does. Make. Mistakes!

      Unfortunately our brains were not built for logic. We have an instinct that makes us automatically offload difficult tasks to remote agents if they prove effective enough. Lazy brain. If you don't conciously fight this tendency, it will happen. It's just so much easier to just trust someone to do something. Our brains had no time to evolve a separate mode of interaction for technological devices, so - as with people - once we delegate, trust follows.

      People, it's simple! You are the driver - you are responsible for a safe trip. You simply cannot delegate any part of that responsibility. Sure, someone else may show the way but you and only you are responsible for making sure it is actually a safe and legal way. You just cannot ignore the road, the signs, lights, etc. Period.

    9. Re:Google maps error too by Skater · · Score: 1

      Might as well; there's little intelligent discussion here, as your post demonstrates with a rather unnecessary attack.

    10. Re:Google maps error too by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If you think I was attacking you then you need to learn some reading comprehension, you stupid old cunt.

      If you think I was attacking someone else then it's none of your business, you stupid old cunt.

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    11. Re:Google maps error too by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      On another occasion I realized that they listed a location for a cemetery incorrectly.

      A grave error indeed. Perhaps they should have used dead reckoning...

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    12. Re:Google maps error too by Skater · · Score: 1

      Or you could explain what you meant by your gibberish above. Instead you did exactly what I expect out of Slashdot. I know, I'm being trolled.

  36. I believe my 1-year-old comment will suffice by Tanman · · Score: 1

    I believe my 1-year-old comment will suffice:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3176825&cid=41612805

  37. Reality check by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    If any old grandma in a Buick is able to take a wrong turn and wind up driving down a runway, that airport has bigger problems than an Apple maps glitch.

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  38. User Stupidity by neonv · · Score: 2

    Reporter: Why did you drive on the airport runway?

    Driver: My iPhone said it was the fastest path to the airport

    Reporter: If your phone said to drive off a cliff, would you?

    Driver: Well duh, it's the fastest way to the bottom of the cliff

  39. Uhm..., Ted? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    I think we're being a bit gullible here...

  40. Fond memories of the Dulles hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a toll road that runs from the Washington DC Beltway to Dulles airport. There is also a separated highway in between the toll road, dedicated for airport traffic only. The toll road sometimes backs up. The airport-only road almost never backs up unless there is a severe accident. In my courrier days, I'd sometimes drive the airport-only road, loop around the passenger pickup, and then make a delivery to an office located on surface streets and/or continue to points West. This didn't happen that often. I don't recall the dispatchers actively encouraging it... or forbidding it. Wink, wink.

    I did this in the 80s. The level of security and paranoia being what it is these days, I probably wouldn't try it.

    Of course you couldn't drive onto a runway at Dulles, not AFAIK. There was no reason to even think of it.

  41. Armed Guards vs. Apple GPS ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering many airports have bomb sniffing dogs & armed guards, I think the airport is oberdue for some of that "homeland security" funding. Locked Gates with big STOP signs on them would be a low tech & low cost solution. Pop-Up Tire Shredders & 1 meter tall stop walls as a second system to slow down willful tresspassers.

  42. Re:Maybe the car should lose its license by mrego · · Score: 1

    What if they were driving through the airport in Gibraltar?

  43. SouthPark Interface comes with Sense of Humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Kids app is acting up again.. did they Kill Kenny too?

  44. Re:Maybe the car should lose its license by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

    What if this had been a "self-driven" car, like Google wants us to use?

    Ooops.

    Hundreds dead due to map error. Film at 11.

    Naw, never will happen. Google cars use Google Maps and Google Maps knows the difference between roads and runways. Apple Maps was probably confused because of of the taxi way. Siri probably thought if taxis can go there, so can cars.

    ps. It was a self-driven car. I think Google is pushing driverless cars.

  45. Too long by exxaminer · · Score: 1

    I guess Google's recommended track was just too long...:-)

  46. Bullshit Headline by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    Apple Maps lacks the capacity to send anyone anywhere. What happened is that it made a stupid recommendation, as computers are apt to do, and as most people know computers are apt to do. And a small fraction of stupid/negligent/careless/malicious people blindly followed the recommendation, apparently unable to read signs or use common sense about whether or not to drive on runways.

    If the airport people had been smart, then instead of putting up barriers (well, actually, maybe that's a good idea anyway, stupid maps or not) and "complaining to" Apple, they would have made fun of Apple and got an airport cop to profitably ticket all the stupid people who think it's ok to drive on airport runways.

    The more I think of it, what we have here, is a way to mechanically catch the very worst/stupidest/most_negligent_and_dangerous drivers on the road. Cities ought to be making deals with Apple and Google to route morons into places where they'll prove to courts that they are incompetent drivers, and then we can have them removed from traffic, or at least their points will reflect the higher risks they pose and maybe their insurance rates will become more in line with the risks they choose, so everyone else can pay a little less. Everyone wins. I'm not sure it would even be entrapment, because most jurors would realize that the driver was stupid and negligent even before the city paid for the joke directions.

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    1. Re:Bullshit Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, also it's a verb (transitive), not a noun, obviously.

    2. Re:Bullshit Headline by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Keep your facts out of my rant!

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  47. Airport bridleway by nick1austin · · Score: 1

    Here in the UK the Ordnance Survey continue to show a bridleway (path for horses) crossing Blackbushe Airport in Hampshire. It's been like that for decades.

  48. Such a load of crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These instances are such bullshit. The maps are supposed to serve as a guide. Unless it is a self-driven car, I don't see any sane person driving in the wrong direction unless the roads have no signs. And in this case, an airport runway! Ridiculous.

  49. Re:Maybe the car should lose its license by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    Self-driven cars can use OCR to read the signs that humans ignore.

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  50. Another "crack pot" case by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Another crack pot case.

  51. Airplane Mode by KateKarnage · · Score: 1

    This is what happens if you leave your phone in Airplane Mode...

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    KateKarnage - Goth, Geek, Not all there......
  52. Re: Airport's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple are going to sue the airport for violating the terms and conditions of their mapping by being in the wrong place

  53. What would a Driver-less car will do? by viggie · · Score: 1

    what would a driver-less car will do when it follows such maps!

  54. So by NewYork · · Score: 1

    "Heads I Win. Tails You Lose" --Apple

  55. DOH! (The saga continues.) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130927/ak-beat-apple-maps-0-2-fairbanks-international

    So many levels of FAIL...