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Tom Clancy Is Dead At 66

guttentag writes "The author of The Hunt for Red October and many military and espionage novels which inspired a number of movies video games died last night in a Baltimore Hospital. The news was first reported by Publishers Weekly's Twitter account this morning and confirmed by New York Times Book Reporter Julie Bosman's Twitter account."

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  1. We lost a good one here. by Virtucon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although his writing was pretty mechanical, his stories were real page turners. It's sad to see him go.

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    1. Re:We lost a good one here. by bhcompy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without Remorse was one of the better modern fiction novels I've read, and totally accessible to those not looking for military porn

    2. Re:We lost a good one here. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      They made some pretty good movies out of his books, but I confess the few that I read I really struggled through.

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    3. Re:We lost a good one here. by Virtucon · · Score: 0

      ... not looking for military porn

      What like Major Gunns?

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    4. Re:We lost a good one here. by dywolf · · Score: 1

      his are some of my favorite books.

      i just wish he hadnt put his name on those "co-authored" series, never cared for most of those.

      I liked the movies, but really the books had so much more going on. like Red October, they completely leave out the near conflict and nuclear war that almost starts, like the jets attacking or threatening each others fleets, and so on.

      but i love most of his books. and his nofiction was pretty fascinating too.

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    5. Re:We lost a good one here. by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of my favorites, as is Red Storm Rising (at one point I may have had 3 copies of Without Remorse, and 4 copies of Red Storm Rising). The juxtaposition of the 2 jungles (one an actual jungle, Vietnam; the other an urban jungle, the poor/drug areas of Baltimore) was really well done, especially how Clark has to transition each way pretty much overnight. And Red Storm Rising is classic military porn, yes. But as a standalone novel the characters were pretty well developed, the plot was believable, and the combat seemed spot on and realistic, both in the technologies/tactics used and the outcomes.

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    6. Re:We lost a good one here. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 0

      Although his writing was pretty mechanical, his stories were real page turners. It's sad to see him go.

      The one thing I won't miss is the occasional "Let's trot out Tom Clancy" nonsense that various TV outfits would engage in when they needed the appearance of military expertise...

    7. Re:We lost a good one here. by oobayly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Definitely, thought the Jack Ryan universe got a bit stupid in the end. I did however enjoy tying up various characters from all the books, even the minor ones (Bondarenko, Ozo). I have to say that Red Storm Rising was probably my favourite.

      Shame to see him go, even though I haven't read any new of his for absolute years.

    8. Re:We lost a good one here. by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i just wish he hadnt put his name on those "co-authored" series, never cared for most of those.

      But, really, can you blame him?

      When someone comes along and says "hey, we'll give you big piles of money if we can crank out pulp associated with your name and based in and around your fiction", it's hard to turn them down when they add enough zeroes.

      I suspect he was happy enough to get the money.

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    9. Re:We lost a good one here. by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Kind of like every time there's a problem with a plane they roll out "Miracle on the Hudson" Capt. Sullenberger?
      Clancy did a lot of research for all of his books, you have to give him props for that. While he never served in the Military he
      knew a lot about the motivations and the technology which made his books more realistic.

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    10. Re:We lost a good one here. by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I liked the movies, but really the books had so much more going on. like Red October, they completely leave out the near conflict and nuclear war that almost starts, like the jets attacking or threatening each others fleets, and so on.

      My "favorite" part of the Red October movie is when they are in the CIC of the carrier and Thompson says one of the F-14s clipped a Soviet plane, but the video they show of a plane crashing to the deck of the carrier(which is obviously real footage) is clearly NOT of an F-14. But otherwise a good movie. And it's still weird to see Baldwin so young and skinny

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    11. Re:We lost a good one here. by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although his writing was pretty mechanical, his stories were real page turners.

      That's certainly true of the earlier books that he actually wrote. I think I read and enjoyed all of them. One thing I've always disliked is when authors needlessly inject their own politics, left or right, into fiction, but Clancy was no worse with that than many authors.

      It's another story when you start talking about the later books (after 2003) that said "by Tom Clancy" in gigantic type, and "with so-and-so" in little type. In other words, books not really written by Clancy. Why a successful author would do that is beyond me. Even if he didn't feel like ever writing another book, he didn't need to, as I'm sure he'd already made a fortune from his books and the movie rights.

    12. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without Remorse was one of the better modern fiction novels I've read, and totally accessible to those not looking for military porn

      My all time favorite from Tom Clancy is still Cardinal of the Kremlin (a pity it was never carried over to the silver screen) followed by Red Storm Rising (getting this on the silver screen is really impossible) and of course The Hunt For Red October.

      Of the "modern" novels Debt of Honor was good. Maybe a tad too lengthy.

    13. Re:We lost a good one here. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Oh, he beats the hell out of a lot of other choices(like, say, any active employee of a defense contractor with a stake in the situation they are talking about, a depressingly common move); but it always made me a bit queasy that a novelist was treated as a serious option for comment on military or geopolitical 'News' shows.

    14. Re:We lost a good one here. by Loether · · Score: 1

      Couldn't agree more on the co-Authored books sucking. Talk about the definition of sell out. I love Tom Clancy and I have most of the "co-authored books" I got them as gifts from well meaning family. I don't even consider them TC books.

      Cardinal in the Kremlin is one of my favorites. I love the old soviets for bad guys and space lasers whats not to like.

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    15. Re:We lost a good one here. by GigG · · Score: 1

      Agreed, though with today's CG tech Red Storm Rising would have been a hell of an HBO miniseries.

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    16. Re:We lost a good one here. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      I also liked the part in the movie when Tim Curry as the medical officer shows up after the political officer "slipped on tea".
      IIRC, the medical officer said "Don't be upset. It was a mercy killing. He had a certain naive charm, but no muscle."

    17. Re:We lost a good one here. by Alomex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Clancy did a lot of research for all of his books, you have to give him props for that.

      He was given unfettered access to the military and often his stories were really just fictionalizations with mild embellishments of actual events. This follows on a long tradition of artists (painters, writers, photographers) being given special access to war theaters. So nothing wrong with that, I just don't know if I would call this "research".

    18. Re:We lost a good one here. by osu-neko · · Score: 2

      Bingo. And some people liked them. You're always free to buy or not buy what you like or don't like.

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    19. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most book writing is pretty mechanical (of course with the exeption of J.K, she wrote the Harry Potter books in caligraphy with a griffin-feather)...

    20. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding your sig, you plan to live to 98?

    21. Re:We lost a good one here. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      One thing I've always disliked is when authors needlessly inject their own politics, left or right, into fiction, but Clancy was no worse with that than many authors.

      I think it really depends on how its done. I think Robert Heinlein was a certifiable crack-pot when it comes to his ideas on government and society, but it's still enjoyable fiction, and gives insight into the way people like that think...

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    22. Re:We lost a good one here. by guises · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Setting aside his writing for the moment, he impressed me back in 2001 on September 11. He had a book where some terrorists hijacked a plane and crashed it into the capital building, so the news drones had him on so they could say things at him about that. Meanwhile, he had a message: "Don't make the mistake of blaming Islam or Muslims for this. This was a specific group of terrorists, not representative of Muslims in general." (I paraphrase.) The talking heads tried to redirect him, ask him how he "felt" about this or that nonsense, but he stayed on message.

      He was the only one for at least a couple of days after 9/11 (that I saw on TV at least) who both recognized that this would be a problem and who called for consideration in the face of bigotry. I have trouble believing that he was the only one who recognized that this would be a problem.

    23. Re:We lost a good one here. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      i just wish he hadnt put his name on those "co-authored" series, never cared for most of those.

      But, really, can you blame him?

      When someone comes along and says "hey, we'll give you big piles of money if we can crank out pulp associated with your name and based in and around your fiction", it's hard to turn them down when they add enough zeroes.

      I suspect he was happy enough to get the money.

      I don't think I ever read Clancy. He was the last of the Cold War novelists, and that kind of stuff isn't up my alley. But the '90's were full of "co-authored" books. Apparently the publishers no longer had the courage to introduce new authors so they attached up-and-comers to well-established big names.

      As it happens, most of the authors I read on a regular basis who are new since about Y2K didn't originally show up as co-authors, for whatever that ploy was worth.

    24. Re:We lost a good one here. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      As a service to his fans, so they will always have new books to occupy them.

    25. Re:We lost a good one here. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      ... it always made me a bit queasy that a novelist was treated as a serious option for comment on military or geopolitical 'News' shows.

      As opposed to the network anchor? You realize that they don't set the bar up very high for these sorts of things.

      After all, it's only 'news'.

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    26. Re:We lost a good one here. by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, it's not about the money. Sometimes, it's about giving an aspiring author that shot at the big money. Publishers might not want to take a chance on an unpublished author's own work, but if the author produces a work that's tied to an existing money-making series, one that can't go wrong, then they'd be more willing to take a look at the author.

      Only if the co-authored series is successful would the aspiring author then gets his or her own deal.

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    27. Re:We lost a good one here. by dywolf · · Score: 1

      ill be fair to "coautheroed" guys. some i like, some i dont.

      NetForce (clancy's coauther series) i didnt care for, because it seemed liek it was obviously written by the other guy, cause the comptuer stuff was just so....bad...and Clancy is really good at the research and realism side of things. so i read half ot two, and dropped both.

      Jack Du Brul is an author i like. bit pulpy and predictable, but still entertaining. and he got his start (i thik) doing coauthors with Clive Cussler before couple of his series started off. And his coauthors were decent too (the Oregon Files).

      Speaking of Cussler, he's got like 3 coauthored series. the Kurt Austin series...horrible. its Dirk Pitt-lite. more brainless, more sex, less story. the oregon files (two different coauther, Jack Du Brul and eariler ...forget the other guy) are pretty good. And the Issac Bell series i enjoy. which is good, cause Cussler's own work has gone downhill fast, especially after he essentially rebooted the character by bringing "Dirk Pitt Jr" and his sister into the scene. meh.

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    28. Re:We lost a good one here. by ImprovOmega · · Score: 2

      Kind of like every time there's a problem with a plane they roll out "Miracle on the Hudson" Capt. Sullenberger?

      That really doesn't bother me. I mean, yeah it shows a complete lack of understanding and valuation of expert opinion on the part of the news guys doing that, but if someone is skilled and lucky enough to do what Sullenberger did in ditching that plane on having everyone survive... Well, I would say such a person deserves not to have to work at a real job much more than some random celebrity bimbo who's biggest accomplishment in life is a trashy sex tape that got out on the internet. At least Sully actually did something useful.

    29. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i just wish he hadnt put his name on those "co-authored" series, never cared for most of those.

      But, really, can you blame him?

      When someone comes along and says "hey, we'll give you big piles of money if we can crank out pulp associated with your name and based in and around your fiction", it's hard to turn them down when they add enough zeroes.

      I suspect he was happy enough to get the money.

      Clancy was selling enough of his own books (and licensed videogame titles) to have more money than he could spend. From what I gather, the guy was a pretty big egomaniac and he probably did it for the thought of having his name on 20 bajillion things instead of only 10 bajillion things. Not that he wasnt brilliant, and will be missed.

    30. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, though with today's CG tech Red Storm Rising would have been a hell of an HBO miniseries.

      Let's hope the powers that be listen to your advice. :)

    31. Re:We lost a good one here. by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      If the goal is realism, then even if it's not research, doesn't that mean it's even better?

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    32. Re:We lost a good one here. by MichaellFurlan · · Score: 1

      "Red October", the story of the largest magnetic anomaly in the ocean, that for some reason was undetectable by the US Navy, because. . . Well damnit because I said so. Reading Clancy made you stupider.

    33. Re:We lost a good one here. by Alomex · · Score: 1

      It wasn't mean as a putdown. Just a matter of using the proper term; after all one wouldn't say that someone did a lot of research on their autobiography.

      (Yeah, I know, I'm being a pedant).

    34. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd bet it's mostly electronic these days; the old Remington hold-outs are getting very few indeed. ;)

    35. Re:We lost a good one here. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      From what I gather, the guy was a pretty big egomaniac and he probably did it for the thought of having his name on 20 bajillion things instead of only 10 bajillion things.

      Again, I say "can you blame him"?

      If your work is successful enough to do that, run wild. If his name is what sold all of those books and the spinoffs, then quite frankly I don't see the problem.

      Unlike the Kardashians, who are famous for ... well, I'm not sure what they're famous for to be honest. Famous for having fucked someone famous or wanting to be famous, or being Kanye's baby-momma, but not for anything they've done (other than the stupid shit they've done since become known) .

      I think Tom Clancy was more deserving of it.

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    36. Re:We lost a good one here. by rochrist · · Score: 1

      Red Storm Rising was as much Larry Bond as it was Tom Clancy.

    37. Re:We lost a good one here. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Although his writing was pretty mechanical, his stories were real page turners.

      I guess that the people who claim that Tolkien's writing in LoTR progresses very slowly haven't read the six or so pages (forming an entire chapter) that Clancy spends on the first thirty nanoseconds of the nuclear explosion in Sum of All Fears. ;-)

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    38. Re:We lost a good one here. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Although his writing was pretty mechanical, his stories were real page turners. It's sad to see him go.

      I enjoyed reading a number of his books, but they sure felt like they were basically the same book, over and over, with just some different plot twists thrown in.

      And he kind of jumped the shark when his main character became POTUS (to use the shorthand he is largely responsible for bringing into popular culture).

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    39. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He might have had to because he was skinned in a divorce. His ex was even claiming that she was owed a share of any future books (not because she contributed in any way to the characters or storylines he developed, but just because she stuck out her finger for a ring)

    40. Re:We lost a good one here. by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Years back Clancy was on Charlie Rose and was asked why the U.S. has so many idiotic policies. "Because we keep electing idiots." (I also took away the under-current: it takes idiots to elect idiots.)

    41. Re:We lost a good one here. by kermidge · · Score: 2

      What also struck me at the time was Condoleeza Rice saying that "no one could have imagined" using planes to hit buildings. On my bookshelf at the time were three books with just that plot element, Clancy's "Debt of Honor" among them.

    42. Re:We lost a good one here. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I can't blame him, though I do feel burned for having bought one of the "ripoff authored" titles with a big "TOM CLANCY" on the cover whilst stuck in an airport layover.

      Word to the publishing industry: that happens to have been the last paperback I ever bought... not saying the false author advertising is the whole reason I gave up reading ink smeared on dead trees, but it didn't help.

    43. Re:We lost a good one here. by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Red October", the story of the largest magnetic anomaly in the ocean, that for some reason was undetectable by the US Navy, because. . . Well damnit because I said so.

      Soviet "Alfa" class submarines have titanium hulls, which are non-magnetic.

      Who is to say if the fictional advanced Typhoon-class submarine in HfRO has the same feature? Also, if you have you ever done search-and-rescue, you'd know that the "mowing the lawn" pattern takes a very long time to cover any area, and it assumes that the target isn't moving. With the target traveling at 25 knots, you'd need a really good knowledge of the planned course plus hundreds of airplanes just to have any chance. Add in the problem of lots of false positives (including all the other subs and ships searching), and it's not nearly as easy as you seem to think.

    44. Re:We lost a good one here. by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      I would expect someone who was serious about writing an autobiography to research it. Memory is fallible.

    45. Re:We lost a good one here. by Lithdren · · Score: 1

      Of course not, those people are still stuck trying to read through the first half of The Silmarillion.

    46. Re:We lost a good one here. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The anchor is never presented as an expert on anything. SOP is that the anchor reads a report that we assume has some degree of research behind it, and then introduces a journalist who's spent more time researching the story, who in turn interviews some "experts", be they witnesses, official spokespeople, or academics/veterans familiar with the field.

      The problem the GP had was the habit of pulling in an author of some fiction to fill the academic/veteran position. That's not too far from saying "With me in the studio to talk about the decommisioning of the Mir space station is William Shatner. Mr Shatner, what can you tell me about conditions on board spacecraft like Mir?"

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    47. Re:We lost a good one here. by khallow · · Score: 1

      I just don't know if I would call this "research"

      I agree. I too would lose the scare quotes. Special access means a rather high quality of research. It often means other things like a tendency to propaganda.

    48. Re:We lost a good one here. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Oh, I realize that, but the network anchors are so inane that they really do need someone like Shatner to sit with them and not bat an eyebrow when the really dumb question rolls off their lips.

      It's all theatre.

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    49. Re:We lost a good one here. by Purpleslog · · Score: 1

      "unfettered access to the military" That access came after the first two or three only. For the first two, he used open source material and personal analysis.

    50. Re:We lost a good one here. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      They made a fun computer game from Red Storm Rising too.

    51. Re:We lost a good one here. by sandbagger · · Score: 0

      Mod this up.

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    52. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To bad the cold war had to end...

    53. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, everybody knows the Kardashsians and empty and without substance, but Tom Clancy gets to pretend to be something meaningful because he produced a couple of dime-store novels?

    54. Re:We lost a good one here. by MichaellFurlan · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive "The film adaptation of The Hunt for Red October popularized the magnetohydrodynamic drive as a "caterpillar drive" for submarines, an undetectable "silent drive" intended to achieve stealth in submarine warfare. In reality, the current traveling through the water would create gases and noise, and the magnetic fields would induce a detectable magnetic signature." The magnetic field doesn't come from the hull.

    55. Re:We lost a good one here. by tsotha · · Score: 1

      It's another story when you start talking about the later books (after 2003) that said "by Tom Clancy" in gigantic type, and "with so-and-so" in little type. In other words, books not really written by Clancy. Why a successful author would do that is beyond me.

      Money, of course, particularly if he didn't write because he wasn't well. If you don't intend to write again, there's really no downside.

    56. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoneyDearBoy

    57. Re:We lost a good one here. by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The thing with Sullenberger is that he was always involved in industry safety programs and such. He is very knowledgeable about those aspects, it also so happens that he got to put them into practice. In another life, he might still be someone that you would bring in as an expert speaker on certain airline safety topics even without his dramatic landing. It's just that it would have been at industry conventions, as opposed to live TV. As TV goes, they lucked out on him as a hero.

      Clancy was less of an expert than that, but as others have said, he either did his research or hob-nobbed with people who just gave him material, so he certainly wasn't the worst person they could have picked. And do remember, his initial research got him his first book and deal, he didn't get actual access until he was more popular (and beloved of the Defense Department).

    58. Re:We lost a good one here. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yes, those later books I put into the category of "Airport gift shop fare". Ie, something to pick up and read while you're stuck in a lobby and on a plane, being advertised on the basis of a well known author since the customer won't have time to flip through it or look up reviews. Thus Tom Clancy, Dean Koontz, John Grisham, Stephen King, and so forth. As well as your standard bodice rippers where the name of the author is unimportant.

    59. Re:We lost a good one here. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yah, but Tolkien would have put those thirty nanoseconds to verse.

    60. Re:We lost a good one here. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Clancy did a lot of research for all of his books, you have to give him props for that.

      He was given unfettered access to the military and often his stories were really just fictionalizations with mild embellishments of actual events. This follows on a long tradition of artists (painters, writers, photographers) being given special access to war theaters. So nothing wrong with that, I just don't know if I would call this "research".

      I would.

      Ian Fleming wrote the James Bond novels based on a lot of what happened with Naval intelligence in the war where Fleming was assigned but stylised to a point where they were no longer recognisable. They were also adjusted to the time frame that the novels were written in (I.E. the earlier novels showed Britain as still being an imperialistic power whilst later novels depicted Britain as a waning power).

      A lot of novels are just fictionalisations of actual events, this is often what makes them believable. There's a lot more to making a fictionalisation of an actual event than changing the names, you need to create dialogue, drama, back stories and enough action/story progression to make it interesting. This is the hard part of writing.

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    61. Re:We lost a good one here. by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      The joy of a Clancy book was the first 200 or so pages of unrelated stories that wouldn't come together until page 600.

    62. Re:We lost a good one here. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Although his writing was pretty mechanical, his stories were real page turners.

      That's certainly true of the earlier books that he actually wrote. I think I read and enjoyed all of them. One thing I've always disliked is when authors needlessly inject their own politics, left or right, into fiction, but Clancy was no worse with that than many authors.

      It's another story when you start talking about the later books (after 2003) that said "by Tom Clancy" in gigantic type, and "with so-and-so" in little type. In other words, books not really written by Clancy. Why a successful author would do that is beyond me. Even if he didn't feel like ever writing another book, he didn't need to, as I'm sure he'd already made a fortune from his books and the movie rights.

      Some authors do this to help up and coming authors or write the core story whilst the other author fleshes it out. It's not always to make money. Not having read the novel in question I cant say.

      A lot like some authors doing forewords on stories they like. Last week I bought a book from an author I've never heard of simply because the foreword was written by Alistair Reynolds, one of my favourite sci-fi authors. Its only a short book (180 odd pages) so if it's pants it'll be quick if it's good, I'll look at other books by this author.

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    63. Re:We lost a good one here. by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Bad example: Fleming acquired that knowledge with no intent whatsoever of writing a book. Even if were to agree that Clancy did research, Fleming clearly did not.

      To be sure I went and looked up a random sample of ten pages on Ian Fleming pages that discuss James Bond and research and none of them describe his experience in the secret service as research. This is in contrast to his knowledge of arms and Japan, which was acquired later for the purpose of writing his novels and is described as research.

    64. Re:We lost a good one here. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Bad example: Fleming acquired that knowledge with no intent whatsoever of writing a book. Even if were to agree that Clancy did research, Fleming clearly did not.

      To be sure I went and looked up a random sample of ten pages on Ian Fleming pages that discuss James Bond and research and none of them describe his experience in the secret service as research. This is in contrast to his knowledge of arms and Japan, which was acquired later for the purpose of writing his novels and is described as research.

      Fleming wasn't in the secret service, he was in Naval Intelligence during the second world war.

      Also, 5 minutes on Wikipedia would have shown that Ian Fleming took inspiration for James Bond from his time in Naval Intelligence.

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    65. Re:We lost a good one here. by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Fleming wasn't in the secret service, he was in Naval Intelligence during the second world war.

      You are correct, but this is a nitpick that changes nothing of substance in my argument.

      Also, 5 minutes on Wikipedia would have shown that Ian Fleming took inspiration for James Bond from his time in Naval Intelligence.

      Thanks, captain obvious. Any other deep insights you uncovered after "five minutes in wikipedia"?

    66. Re:We lost a good one here. by delt0r · · Score: 1

      The magnetic signature from a magnet drops 1/d^3. So you are not going to detect shit without already being on the ship or so close to it that any other sensor would work better.

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    67. Re:We lost a good one here. by delt0r · · Score: 1

      300 pages of verse.

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    68. Re:We lost a good one here. by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      Haven't read it but it's not that of a far fetched/fridge nuking/shark jumping scenario. George Bush Sr. was a pilot in the armed forces, then an agent, then a president.

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    69. Re:We lost a good one here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tom Clancy was a goon and a fool that thought technology would solve political problems and that an activist CIA would make the world better. Twelve trillion dollars in debt, a mountain of corpses, the destruction of the rule of law along with the American Constitution are what you get when the Secretary of Defense takes this kind of bull shit seriously. May Clancy burn in the same sulphurous pit as Bush II, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld. Osama and Clancy played a big part

    70. Re:We lost a good one here. by ChronoReverse · · Score: 1

      Did you really read the book or are you just one those guys who rip on "overhyped" books just because?

      In the story, the US Navy had detected and followed the Red October from Iceland on.

    71. Re:We lost a good one here. by sirnomad99 · · Score: 1

      Clancy did a lot of research for all of his books, you have to give him props for that.

      He was given unfettered access to the military and often his stories were really just fictionalizations with mild embellishments of actual events. This follows on a long tradition of artists (painters, writers, photographers) being given special access to war theaters. So nothing wrong with that, I just don't know if I would call this "research".

      Red October was written before he gained his "access" and I was reading it for the first time while serving on the USS America. All anyone I talked to could talk about was how he got our jobs so spot on.

  2. Rest In Peace T.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Huge influence on my life as a reader and tech enthusiast. He will be dearly missed.

    1. Re:Rest In Peace T.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (A) !!!!

    2. Re:Rest In Peace T.C. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I think you misspelled "Fuckin'-A, Mr. C.!" ;-)

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  3. Now who is going to... by Niterios · · Score: 2

    Write the story for Ghost Recon 17: Invade Cuba Again?

    1. Re:Now who is going to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm guessing a Ghost writer.

    2. Re:Now who is going to... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Whoever is behind the David Michaels pseudonym. Probably Peter Telep.

      Ghost Recon is among the Tom-Clancy-as-a-brand-name properties.

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  4. I would like to have seen Montana. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

    n/t

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    1. Re:I would like to have seen Montana. by fliptout · · Score: 1

      This made my day.

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  5. USA SuX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    (A)

  6. Outgrew him by SoupGuru · · Score: 0

    I loved his stuff as an ass-kicking young man but as I grew older I lost interest.

    But his written work hasn't impacted me nearly as much as the hours spent playing Rogue Spear.

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    1. Re:Outgrew him by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I loved his stuff as an ass-kicking young man but as I grew older I lost interest.

      I haven't read him as much lately either. I think it's not so much that I grew out of him, but that his later stuff isn't as good as his earlier stuff. I think after Rainbow 6 the books kind of started to go down hill, partly because Jack was his best character(followed very closely by Clark), but also because the plot began to get stretched a bit. I can understand an international CT force made up of NATO members, but a private yet government created/sponsored counterterrorism company/agency? Plus the fact that the Emir was obviously bin Laden. I will say he also ruined politics for me. I would absolutely love someone like Jack as president, but we will never have someone like that get far enough in our politics to actually get there.

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    2. Re:Outgrew him by somersault · · Score: 1

      I can understand an international CT force made up of NATO members, but a private yet government created/sponsored counterterrorism company/agency?

      To me that doesn't sound any harder to believe than government sponsored rebel factions/terrorists.

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    3. Re:Outgrew him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heard of Blackwater?

    4. Re:Outgrew him by dwye · · Score: 1

      I can understand an international CT force made up of NATO members, but a private yet government created/sponsored counterterrorism company/agency? Plus the fact that the Emir was obviously bin Laden.

      Plausible deniability, perhaps, if the Company was "private" rather than officially government? Changing an obvious OBL into "the Emir" was done so that the character didn't become dated, like Prince Charles in Patriot Games did.

      I will say he also ruined politics for me. I would absolutely love someone like Jack as president, but we will never have someone like that get far enough in our politics to actually get there.

      Jack DIDN'T get anywhere in politics. He became President because of multiple catastrophes, and was re-elected due to terrible (as in terribly clumsy) opposition after he literally saves every voter's life, by his actions against the (first) Plague. The situation that would be equivalent would be the post Civil War period, where the main qualification for Grant and the next few presidents was that they were successful generals, not politicians.

  7. A Blue October by kingtet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The technical detail and intriguing blending of military tactics and politics engrossed me as a child. Perhaps more importantly, his political views that often shone through his writings challenged my own, which are often contrary to the ones he held, in a way that did not make me instinctively defensive or unreasonable. He was a great writer, indeed. RIP.

    1. Re:A Blue October by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      Technical details like the coral reef in Chesapeake Bay.

    2. Re:A Blue October by kermidge · · Score: 1

      I started with "Red October" when it came out in paperback and read through to "The Teeth of the Tiger". I was interested enough in how things turned out next after "Debt of Honor" to buy "Executive Orders" in hardbound, totally blowing that month's discretionary fund. I also bought and read the first half-dozen or so Net Force, Power Plays, and Op-Center paperbacks. (Somewhere in all that I also had The Hunt for Red October for my Atari ST.) I also had several of his non-fiction books, including the ones with Fred Franks and Chuck Horner.

      Sure, there were things I could find fault with. But a combination of good research and later good access viz. military et al allowing rich detail, rousing stories, interesting plots and characters, kept me pretty well captivated. "Cardinal of the Kremlin", for instance, was one of the last Cold War-era novels that seemed to me to capture some of the feel of it. I never felt the need to analyze stuff to a fare-thee-well, simply enjoyed the reading.

      Tom Clancy told good tales. I enjoyed them. I miss that, and him.

  8. Very tech oriented by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He was very tech oriented and worked extensively with people in the field to try to make his novels sound as accurate on the details as he could. He was good enough at taking non-classified data and extrapolating where things could go from there that he received visits from the FBI and CIA to find out how he knew what he knew.

    He certainly made things up (caterpillar drive for the sub etc), but the point is he worked tirelessly to get technical details right in as many cases as he could, and to try get them as plausible as he could get away with in those cases where he needed to make the up. He put a lot more effort into getting the details right than most authors and far more than Hollywood ever did and for that his passing is very relevant for Slashdot. He took creative license, but he took it far less than a lot of other authors (Bourne Ultimatum series etc) and used it far more selectively.

    He wrote 17 number one selling books and had three of his books turned into blockbuster movies. He was active in having games made about his books even back in the 80's and made sure a series of games was made ever since then. He came up with ideas for terrorism like flying a civilian airliner into a government building before 9/11.

    1. Re:Very tech oriented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He certainly made things up (caterpillar drive for the sub etc),
       
      he didn't make up the "caterpillar drive" for the "Red October"
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive

    2. Re:Very tech oriented by nevermindme · · Score: 1

      Err. Clancys Catapillar drive, Magnetohydrodynamic was built at at several research labs within 12 months of the release of the Book Hunt for Red October and by the time the movie was out the US Navy had something like 10 million dollars in research grants out to labs to do work when the projects got pulled back into the dark in 95.

      The construction of a Gadget explains the classical machining of bomb components in exportable detail.

      He was best at when giving the motivation why Ryan, Chaves and Clark would work for political hack masters and got pretty tepid and juvenile when he made Ryan a political creature. The non fiction books he wrote about everything from a Air Wing to Marine Division are total rehashes of books written by every post pentagon author except Clancy got a six figure advance.

    3. Re:Very tech oriented by mu51c10rd · · Score: 2

      Slight correction...he had 4 movies made after his books. The press releases keep skipping Clear and Present Danger with William Dafoe and Harrison Ford. Hunt for Red October, Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, and Sum of All Fears.

    4. Re:Very tech oriented by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I had understood the caterpillar drive to be something that he had made up. It makes me wonder if he had talked with people working with their development at the time.

    5. Re:Very tech oriented by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I'd rather read nonfiction. Real history is more interesting IMHO.

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    6. Re:Very tech oriented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was best at when giving the motivation why Ryan, Chaves and Clark would work for political hack masters and got pretty tepid and juvenile when he made Ryan a political creature.

      I stopped caring about Tom Clancy after Executive Orders. The end of Executive Orders was just political porn and it went downhill from there. I received Dead or Alive as a Christmas present and could not even get 100 pages into it. Dead or Alive might as well have just been called: "I HATE LIBERALS BECAUSE THEY TAX US, HATE THE MILITARY, AND WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN!"

      Which reminds me of a hasty interview he did with CNN on 9/11 when he blamed 9/11 on the media because they report on the failings and abuses of the intelligence community.

    7. Re:Very tech oriented by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "..for terrorism like flying a civilian airliner into a government building before 9/11."
      genius, thinking up things DECADES after other people did.

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    8. Re:Very tech oriented by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The concept goes back to the 70s.

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    9. Re:Very tech oriented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, if you re-read them you'll notice they were all like that.

      Without Remorse: "The Vietnam peace movement really just wanted America to lose!"
      Debt of Honor: "Japanese car companies are destroying America!"
      Rainbow Six: "Environmentalists are trying to deliberately exterminate humankind!"
      Bear and the Dragon: "ZOMG China ermagerd!"

      and so forth.

      His Cold War stuff wasn't bad, though.

    10. Re:Very tech oriented by unitron · · Score: 1

      Please be very careful to differentiate between the three books written by Robert Ludlum featuring the Jason Bourne character and any and everything else that's come along since involving a character with the same name.

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    11. Re:Very tech oriented by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      He was very tech oriented and worked extensively with people in the field to try to make his novels sound as accurate on the details as he could.

      ...with the glaring and amazingly stupid exception of the physically implausible "life signs detector" in Rainbow Six. In fact, the whole Rainbow Six book felt a bit weird, even though the plot was cool. The Brain Eater must have gotten him too in the end, it seems.

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    12. Re:Very tech oriented by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I still chuckle when I read the old Clancy books mentioning the super secret NavStar system, for targeting sub launched nukes to a cep of 164 feet, and reflecting that, nowadays, I use it so I don't have to tell my weather app my postal code just to get my local weather.

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    13. Re:Very tech oriented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he's partially responsible for the general perception that ultra-high-tech actually wins modern wars.

      Hint: it doesn't. Iraq and Afghanistan were defeats.

    14. Re:Very tech oriented by dwye · · Score: 1

      The mini-series with Richard Chamberlain was a good adaptation of the book.

    15. Re:Very tech oriented by unitron · · Score: 1

      The mini-series with Richard Chamberlain was a good adaptation of the book.

      I keep meaning to try to track that down and watch it.

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    16. Re:Very tech oriented by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      He was very tech oriented and worked extensively with people in the field to try to make his novels sound as accurate on the details as he could.

      ...with the glaring and amazingly stupid exception of the physically implausible "life signs detector" in Rainbow Six. In fact, the whole Rainbow Six book felt a bit weird, even though the plot was cool. The Brain Eater must have gotten him too in the end, it seems.

      I did find myself wondering, when I read the book, whether the idea for creating this magical device was just a means of justifying / explaining the "radar" type display that was in the game released around the same time (Hey, guys... how are we going to explain how in the game we're making you'll know the exact location and orientation of enemies and hostages we can't even see? Oh, we'll just conjure a magical doodad that can detect a human heartbeat through walls! Great!).

      Since the two were in development at the same time, I figured that this would be a possible explanation for why Clancy's near-habitual technical plausibility seemed to be taking the month off when this device found its way into the books. It's just a guess on my part, though. I guess we'll never know now (unless someone at either the game or the book's publishers fess up to the conversation happening)!

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    17. Re:Very tech oriented by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Actually, this was a case of Tom Clancy - otherwise quite erudite, technology-wise - getting himself scammed by some douchebags. He should have known better; high-school knowledge of EM fields should be enough for anyone to understand why this is impossible.

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  9. /. Obituary Section Please by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So the passing of an author who is popular amongst nerds and geeks gets mentioned here (all due respect to Clancy) while the obituaries of much more significant pioneers of geeky, nerdy things are routinely dropped from consideration after submission. It happens again and again. It seems like popularity trumps significance. How about an Obituary Section?

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    1. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Popularity always trumps significance, that's why it's popularity.

    2. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most /. "nerds" have never even heard of the real science and technology pioneers so they don't care. For example, raise your hand if you knew who Harold Agnew was?

    3. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      He popularized technology and did a damn sight to try to get it right in the media. Remember watching the Matrix and seeing the use of Nmap and being excited because they got a single piece of tech right? This guy worked hard to get as many of those pieces right as he could.

      Most authors don't get visits from the FBI or CIA because they managed to get the tech that spot on. Clancy worked to incorporate tech day in and out for decades and did it books, movies and games, arguably to a greater extent than any other person in the media.

      While I certainly think the pioneers in the tech field deserve to recognized, they don't popularize the technology or try to get it right in the media. Tom Clancy did exactly that for decades. Think of Norman Borlaug, he saved more lives than anyone in history but he didn't popularize his technology with the public or focus on the media. How many people heard of him when he passed away or can say who he is without looking him up?

    4. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by ebno-10db · · Score: 1

      I kept my hand down and read your link. While the guy was obviously accomplished in some respects, I don't see why the average nerd should recognize his name.

    5. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      With a sig like 'Freshly Exhumed' you could curate the thing. I'd vote for you as section editor. What a great idea!

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    6. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by steelfood · · Score: 1

      the obituaries of much more significant pioneers of geeky, nerdy things are routinely dropped from consideration after submission

      Whom are you talking about?

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    7. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      That is his name or handle, not is sig. His sig is: I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want. Which may also be relevant to the discussion.

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    8. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

      You are making my point for me. I've had this idea for a Geek/Nerd Obituary resource for quite some time, and I have yet to find a suitable one on the web. Wikipedia isn't really set up in such a way.

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    9. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

      I would do it but I don't want to have to go through the elaborate, horrible hazing rituals to which I've heard all new Slashdot editors are subjected.

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    10. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      While I'm not in a position to say whether Clancy deserved to be here or not, since you bring up the issue, I must admit that I was surprised that the death of Ray Dolby a few weeks back apparently didn't make it to the front page.

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    11. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 1

      The icon for the section could be the Red Ring of Death.

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    12. Re:/. Obituary Section Please by Flere+Imsaho · · Score: 1

      I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.quote>

      But if you try sometimes, you get what you need.

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  10. Is that the one with the shotgun stick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read one Clancy novel and looking at the plot summary, it looks like the one I read. And at the end, when he's in the hospital, the docs keep from him that they treated him for some STD that he got from his ex-hooker girlfriend.

    Anyway, he had this shotgun stick - a pipe with a handle/firing pin and you put one shell in there and "stab" the guy in the diaphragm and it blew out his lungs and heart and was muffled by the chest cavity. Someone must have built one of those.

    Clancy had a lot of details. It is a good book - for a middle aged male version of a romance novel.

  11. Red Storm Rising by Zedrick · · Score: 2

    I've always wondered what kind of audience his books are intended for. I really liked Red Storm Rising when I first read it at the age of 14-15, Patriots, Hunt For the Red October and something else were also fun. Then I (and my classmates) kind of outgrew him, and the later books just seems bizarre - greens are terrorists?

    I can still enjoy re-reading some stuff, just like I can kind of enjoy watching teen-movies like Pacific Rim (ok, that's not totally true - stopped watching after 4/5th when I got tired of all pointless robot battles). But I get the impression most of his readers are adults?

    Anyway, thanks Tom for at least providing the inspiration for Red Storm Rising the sub simulator! One of the best C64 games ever.

    1. Re:Red Storm Rising by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Some authors improve with time and exposure, others are a flash in the pan. Some produce their greatest works young, and other old.

      The Tom Clancy I will always remember is "Red Storm Rising" (not a great novel, but a great page turner) , "Red October" and "Patriot Games". Tom Clancy's early books were fantastic page turners, not high art but highly entertaining and quite well thought out. I wish that all of his works were of the same quality, or better.

      Now we will never know if there was the potential for greatness that sometimes comes with the "wisdom of elders".

      Thank you for the memories Tom, as far as I'm concerned "Red October" still stands as a "best in genre" after 30 years.

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    2. Re:Red Storm Rising by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      ... the later books just seems bizarre - greens are terrorists?

      Some of them, yes.

      Domestic Eco-Terrorism Has Deep Pockets. And Many Enablers.

      The combined damage in North America alone from eco-terrorism was estimated by the FBI to exceed $100 million.

      These terrorists did not limit their actions to the destruction of property. They planted pipe bombs, mailed packages booby-trapped with razor blades, and physically assaulted scientists at public events. By 2001 the FBI had characterized them as the nation’s most active domestic terrorist group. One ELF member remains at large and on the FBI’s Most Wanted list today. Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, these radical domestic acts of violence against agriculture slowed as public tolerance for these crimes wore thin, but the attacks continued overseas with the support of groups like Greenpeace.

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    3. Re:Red Storm Rising by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      I've always wondered what kind of audience his books are intended for.

      For me, Tom Clancy books were always the ones I brought on vacation with me. In fact, they still are. Most of the books are pretty long, so you only need to bring one or two with you.

      His books are pretty much geo-political/military/espionage thrillers, usually have a very complex plot presented from multiple angles involving a lot of events and characters, and make for a very satisfying (if admittedly escapist) read.

      Since there was continuity across the books in terms of characters and the overall arc (even if they weren't published in order), you could pick up the book and mostly know who the players were and remember why you liked the characters. Even if you just grab one from the series it's got that familiar "yeah, this is what I want right not" kind of read to it.

      I wouldn't call it Earth-changing literature, but it's still an enjoyable read. And when I'm lounging pool-side in the Caribbean with a drink in my hand ... it's pretty much exactly what I want to be reading. Not overly taxing, but page turning and time filling in an enjoyable way.

      Tom Clancy has been my go-to 'fluff' read for a long time now, and every couple of years I re-read some or all of them.

      Then again, I know a lot of people who absolutely hated his books, so they definitely weren't for everybody.

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    4. Re:Red Storm Rising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After the Cold War ended his writing turned into right-wing polemics, where the villians of every story were revealed to be some hilariously overwrought caricature of something that the Republican Party was angry about at the time -- environmentialists, the anti-war movement, Japanese car imports, etc.

      It's a shame because aside from that little tendency, the writing was fairly good.

    5. Re:Red Storm Rising by __aarzwb9394 · · Score: 1
      The article you link includes destruction of GM crops in what it calls terrorism. It is unsurprising that the investor class's journal of choice thinks this way. (Forbes)

      Most reasonable people think of terrorism as acts threatening human life/lives.

      Why would slashdotters support GM crops? The goal of such research is to make plants into intellectual property - not usually the favourite kind of property around here.

    6. Re:Red Storm Rising by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      At a $100 million dollars, you're at the level of taxicab drivers stealing loose change in NYC. It probably cost the FBI more than that in tech support for the email system to get the number fudged up between various departments.

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    7. Re:Red Storm Rising by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "The goal of such research is to make plants into intellectual property "
      false. The goal it to make better plants. SOME company want to use that to control seeds, but it isn't the goal of GM.

      "not usually the favourite kind of property around here."
      I"m a big fan of reasonable intellectual property. As is every one to some degree; whether they admit it or not. It would be the rare person who would write something and then let someone else take credit for it.

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    8. Re:Red Storm Rising by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Why would slashdotters support GM crops? The goal of such research is to make plants into intellectual property - not usually the favourite kind of property around here.

      Goals for GM food vary, and include increased yields, resistance to disease, and other properties. One important one is to better the lives of the people eating them by combating disease. Consider "golden rice." I would think (hope?) most people on Slashdot aren't big fans of disease and starvation of other people.

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    9. Re:Red Storm Rising by gman003 · · Score: 1

      A lot of his fanbase seems to be political - hardcore conservative types. He really seemed to be pandering to them (or perhaps to himself?) later on. I'm talking past the green terrorists - there's a scene in the last book I read (maybe his last, or second-to-last?) where Jack Ryan, running for President once again, announces in a debate that if he captures the book's thinly-veiled bin Laden analog, he will *not* give him a trial and keep him locked up in Gitmo - to which he gets a standing ovation.

      If you buy into his philosophy, it was probably a character-defining moment - the little guy, the reasonable conservative, taking a stand against liberal hippieism to do what's right. If you don't, it can come across more as "wait, this is the good guy in the story, right?"

      And I really, REALLY hope nobody at the White House read the bit about the President signing blank pardons, to excuse someone from whatever they may do in the future. They have enough ideas of how to screw the constitution without getting ideas from books...

    10. Re:Red Storm Rising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read Hunt For Red October my senior year in HS, when the book first came out. A few weeks later I showed up at the recruiting station and signed up as submarine sonar tech

    11. Re:Red Storm Rising by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Eco-terrorists are certainly a real thing (disclaimer: I haven't read any Tom Clancy books) but that article is silly, keep in mind "forbes.com/sites" is roughly equivalent in a URL to ".wordpress.com" - any loon can write things there at a whim.

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  12. Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by wernercd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obamacare starts. Tom Clancy Dies. Coincidence? I think not.

    1. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Is this the Splinter Cell guy?

    2. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

      Just like a spy... die one day to live again on another with a new name.

    3. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's him.

    4. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by istartedi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh come on, you can do better than that. How about this: NSA spy thriller manuscript found partially written in dead author's home. Contained too much truth. Experts say it may have gone beyond Snowden's revelations, and pulled in numerous undisclosed sources. Cause of death remains unknown.

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    5. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 1

      Or maybe he ran on government money and that got cut off?

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    6. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by sootman · · Score: 0

      He'd still be alive if Obamacare had started sooner!

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    7. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already the Death Panels are showing their incompetence.

    8. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by MTEK · · Score: 2

      Yikes, I realize cost-controls are an unfortunate reality, but someone needs to slow down those death panels.

    9. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Months later, it would become obvious to us that Putin had had the KGB assassinate Clancy as the first move in a complicated plot to restore the Soviet Union. But by the time we realized that it was already to late to stop it. Will it be up to one agent to save a planet teetering on the brink of world war?

    10. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      it was the Russians, silly goose.

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    11. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice coincidence. Hopefully lack of medical care will kill more of these disgusting Republicans.

    12. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell me Ted Nugent is next.

    13. Re:Let the Conspiracy Theories begin... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Iain M Banks, 53
      Ann C Crispin, 63
      and
      Tom Clancy, 66

      Something is killing these authors before their time, 2 science fiction authors and one spy thriller. What did they know that needed to be kept silent?

      Iain Died at 53, Ann at 63, Tom is 33*2. This repeating pattern of 3's means they must have known about the release of HL3 and died to keep it secret.

  13. Re:Two in one day... Stephen King, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AC seems a reasonable source. Update Wikipedia, its not on there yet.

  14. Twitter? Really? by saveferrousoxide · · Score: 2

    Am I the only one who finds it sad that such an influential author's death warranted only a tweet by his publisher and that it was "confirmed" by a NYT reporter's tweet as opposed to say, Clancy's estate or an official family statement? Tom Clancy dies and he gets two tweets. I suppose there's a bit of irony there. Now get off my lawn.

  15. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by RobertLTux · · Score: 0

    and died very very happy.

    Seriously do you think somebody that wrote WAR Novels gave a flying [redacted] about the Vegan agenda??

    but anyway lets shelve this until we find out what he died of.

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  16. CRAZY IVAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I shout this every time I see someone fake right then flip around for a u-turn at a 4-way stop in San Francisco, which is like every day.

    1. Re:CRAZY IVAN by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

      They do that all the time here in DC too, except it usually in 50mph traffic instead at an intersection. I'll have to remember that...

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    2. Re:CRAZY IVAN by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I shout this every time I see someone fake right then flip around for a u-turn at a 4-way stop in San Francisco, which is like every day.

      Look, if I lived in a nation retarded enough to use four way stops instead of:
      1. designating one road as having priority.
      2. Traffic lights and sliplanes.
      3. Rounabouts.
      I'd be fucking crazy too.

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    3. Re:CRAZY IVAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not in San Francisco, but I don't remember ever seeing that done. That really happens?

  17. Re:Twitter? Really? by saveferrousoxide · · Score: 1

    Sorry for talking to myself here, but I just realized it was "Publisher Weekly's" twitter account, not "his publisher's weekly" twitter account. My mistake!

  18. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Michael Clarke Duncan was a Vegetarian and he died at 54.

    http://www.peta.org/features/Michael-Clarke-Duncan.aspx

  19. Spoilers if you haven't read it(which you should) by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    I read one Clancy novel and looking at the plot summary, it looks like the one I read. And at the end, when he's in the hospital, the docs keep from him that they treated him for some STD that he got from his ex-hooker girlfriend.

    That was actually towards the first 1/3 of the book. The girl he picked up got killed pretty early on.

    Anyway, he had this shotgun stick - a pipe with a handle/firing pin and you put one shell in there and "stab" the guy in the diaphragm and it blew out his lungs and heart and was muffled by the chest cavity. Someone must have built one of those.

    All it was is a shark bang stick. They are commercially available. What was always more interesting to me was when he converted his 1911 into a .22 with a kit and then fabricated his own silencer.

    It is a good book - for a middle aged male version of a romance novel

    I have a hard time calling a book with torture, revenge murder, drug use, and a special forces raid on a Vietnam POW camp a "romance novel". It's a character origin novel, and a really good story.

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  20. New Source Needed by gent01 · · Score: 1

    Where will I get totally probable conspiracy theories for my aluminum foil hat group now? (Big fan. He will be missed.)

    1. Re:New Source Needed by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      Something about those theories. I recall that when 9/11 happened, my first thought was to the book where the terrorists use a 747 to hit the US Capitol and kill off most of Congress, the President, and most of the Supreme Court. He had a great storytelling ability...and spent quite a bit of time on research. Anyone else wonder if you could figure out a fission bomb based upon his explanations in Sum of All Fears?

    2. Re:New Source Needed by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Anyone else wonder if you could figure out a fission bomb based upon his explanations in Sum of All Fears?

      If you read his notes at the end he explains that he broke the process so that you couldn't build a working bomb from his description.

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  21. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And my grandfather was slaughtering a cow when he passed from an aneurysm at the age of 93.

    He ate meat everyday and swore by a nice rare grass-fed steak. He did hate range maggots though (sheep).

    I guess if he was a vegan he would have died at 60, overweight and sporting wheat-belly.

  22. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Phelony · · Score: 2

    This whole thread will probably be modded down, but the OP, statistically is probably right. Someone dieing in the US @ 66 was probably afflicted with coronary artery disease (almost always from a lifetime of chronic animal consumption, as a plant-based diet doesn't impart plaque on the artery walls like an animal-based diet does), or died from the the symptoms of diabetes. He wasn't a smoker, so lung cancer can probably be ruled out. Also doubt he got hit by a car while on his skateboard.

  23. LATIMES.COM's obituary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is very lacking. Basically two paragraphs that belittle his style of writing.

  24. In the words of Capt. Ramius by dreamstateseven · · Score: 2

    Where I am going, you cannot follow.

  25. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Phelony · · Score: 1

    I doubt this whole story, but good on him!

  26. Re:Twitter? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to our brave new world, where the most prominent news outlets are operated by the populace, as opposed to a few illuminati with the power to decide what news is fit to print and what is not.

  27. Hunt for Red October game by Gibgezr · · Score: 1

    The Hunt for Red October was made into at least two video games; I played the more complex "simulator-style" game on the Amiga, and it was actually a fantastic game.

    1. Re:Hunt for Red October game by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Clancy and gaming is an interesting topic.

      Much of Red Storm Rising was modeled largely on naval combat simulations using a table-top minatures game that evolved into the Harpoon video game franchise.

      The wikipedia article about Red Storm Rising specifically state that the Soviet invasion of Iceland and the huge airborne anti-ship missile attack on the American carrier task force were played out tabletop before being written.

      I found this fascinating writeup of the gaming sessions that led up to some of the most interesting naval combat fiction ever written, IMHO.

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    2. Re:Hunt for Red October game by Gibgezr · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was easy to see the evolutionary trail of Harpoon in The Hunt for Red October game I was talking about. Those games presented us with a simplistic set of graphics that were meant to represent what the actual naval consoles displayed and most of the action happened "in our heads", but managed to provide us with very tense situations and lots of true nail-biting, scary moments. Loved Harpoon, was trying to remember the name of that game earlier today. Thanks for reminiscing!

  28. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most American eat meat at *every* meal. That or pasta which is why they're always sick.

  29. Re:Two in one day... Stephen King, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back to 4chan you go kiddo.

  30. *toasts* by PortHaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    [R]ed Storm Rising
    [I]nto the Storm
    [P]atriot Games

    Tom Clancy :'(

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    And lets not forget his depicting an aircraft being crashed into the capitol building years before it was attempted in real life.

  31. NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The NSA got wind of his latest spy thriller.

  32. Re:Sad news ... Stephen King, dead at 54 by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

    Do you have a source for this? He looks quite alive to me still. Although the guy who hit him with his car a while back died yesterday. Is that what you are referring to?

  33. Wealthy but still dead at 66. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Seemed like a decent guy (nice stuff with that kid Kyle in the 90's).

    When they talk about delaying social security to improve your payments, need to keep this in mind. For the most part- taking social security early or late still results in a break even between 82 and 84. If you take it early, you start losing your bet at age 82. If you take it late, you start winning your bet between 82 and 84.

    If you think you are likely to die prior to age 82 (when did your parents and grandparents die, what kind of health are you in), then you may want to take social security early.

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  34. Best Clancy Quote by GigG · · Score: 1

    Way back when John Grisham's first book had hit it big Clancy was being interviewed on one of the morning shows. They asked him with the popularity of Grisham's book would he ever write a book with a lawyer as a hero. His answer was, "I think I'm a pretty good fiction writer, but I'm not that good." (Paraphrase from a 20 year old memory.)

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    1. Re:Best Clancy Quote by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Way back when John Grisham's first book had hit it big Clancy was being interviewed on one of the morning shows. They asked him with the popularity of Grisham's book would he ever write a book with a lawyer as a hero. His answer was, "I think I'm a pretty good fiction writer, but I'm not that good." (Paraphrase from a 20 year old memory.)

      Michael Connelly, "The Fifth Witness". Quite good until just before the end. On the last pages it suddenly gets a lot better.

  35. In the gaming realm... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

    I loved the early Red Storm Entertainment games of Rainbow 6 and the original Ghost Recon. Still haunts me that a game released circa 2000 predicted a Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008. And then it happened.

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  36. I was in Naval Nuclear Power School when.... by weiserfireman · · Score: 1

    I first heard about Hunt for Red October. I still have my first edition copy.

    I had lots of questions from friends and family about how Nuclear Reactors really worked, and until that book came out, I was really scared about what I could and couldn't say without jeopardizing my security clearance.

    After I read that book, I would reference people with questions to that book. It answered their questions.

    1. Re:I was in Naval Nuclear Power School when.... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      about how Nuclear Reactors really worked

      What? There have been public monographs on that since like forever. Why would you have to worry about losing security clearance over sharing publicly available information is beyond me.

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    2. Re:I was in Naval Nuclear Power School when.... by weiserfireman · · Score: 1

      Because when you are 17 years old, and told they will send you to prison is you talk about secrets, you tend to keep your mouth shut.

      The Navy doesn't spend a lot of time telling you which stuff they are teaching you is secret and which is common knowledge. They classify it all as secret, and you keep you mouth shut about what you are learning

      The side effect of this behavior has infected our whole nuclear industry in my opinion. Because so much of it was classified for so long, there was a long period of time where the only people talking about nuclear power to the general public, was the anti-nuke people. Led to a lot of Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.

  37. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by spartacus_prime · · Score: 2

    I'll be that within 24 hours of his death he wasn't doing much of anything.

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  38. Sad news. by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 1

    Truly an American icon.

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  39. Tying by tepples · · Score: 1

    You're always free to buy or not buy what you like or don't like.

    Unless the cartel bundles what you don't like with what you like, such as the cooking channels with a cable channel that shows film adaptations of Tom Clancy novels.

  40. Tom Clancy and The Death of His Age by Phoenix666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It used to be you could read Tom Clancy and identify with the characters, exult in the common mission, and marvel at his technical details. It didn't matter what part of the political spectrum you hailed from, you could still read his books and feel good about being an American. Then at some point, I think it was "Debt of Honor," his schtick slid beyond to a right-wing crazyland fantasy where I could not follow.

    I come from a military family. I come from a family with deep roots in America, half native-American, half-original European settlers. I could not stomach the jingoism that defined his later writing. America is not a destination, it's a process. If you forget that, and kick everybody who you don't see eye-to-eye with off the bus, then you forfeit your own seat on the ride, as far as I'm concerned.

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    1. Re:Tom Clancy and The Death of His Age by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Well, all his best-sellers were earlier in his career, so I'm sure you weren't the only one. Military techno-fetishism was a lot more relevant when conflict with a technological peer seemed close at hand. When that ended, hawks kept being hawks, but with less righteous justification.

    2. Re:Tom Clancy and The Death of His Age by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I found his books quite boring, even worse than Heinlein's, and I am actually sort of into military fiction (I've got all Battletech novels). Then again, I am not an American.

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  41. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    Also, at the risk of Godwinning the thread, a certain vegetarian German politician died at 56.

    Vegetarians and vegans aren't necessarily any healthier than anyone else: It all depends on a lot more than what somebody eats or doesn't eat.

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  42. Hotel Lobbies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now what author's books can people leave in hotel lobbies? Not to mention buy in airport book stores as last minute gifts for middle aged white guys.

  43. Address given by Tom Clancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recall with fondness a speech he gave at our university years ago:

    "To all you liberal arts girls who wouldn't look twice at me, well, you missed your chance."

    1. Re:Address given by Tom Clancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they were turned off because he was too self-important?

  44. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by geekoid · · Score: 1

    I thought he was a lifetime smoker?
    Also, lung cancer is just one of many ways smoking kills people.

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  45. Cause of death? by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know the cause of death? 66 is pretty young when you consider the average lifespan.

    1. Re:Cause of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Does anyone know the cause of death? 66 is pretty young when you consider the average lifespan.

      Probably slipped on some spilled tea in a dreadful accident!

    2. Re:Cause of death? by Thad+Zurich · · Score: 1

      I'm betting on "pancreatic cancer of an aggressive nature".

  46. SMOKER!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Figures.

    He was a smoker: Check out his "Smoker's Rights" Page: http://edgeworthstreet.tripod.com/clancy.html

    Darwin @ work.

  47. Re:Twitter? Really? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    It is weird that tomclancy.com says nothing about his death.

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  48. Killed by booze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clancy was a prolific drinker all his life. In later years he could often be seen closing the bars around Fell's Point. Kidney, liver, lung problems--it finally caught up with him and his body just shut down.

  49. Re:Spoilers if you haven't read it(which you shoul by bhcompy · · Score: 1

    That was actually towards the first 1/3 of the book. The girl he picked up got killed pretty early on.

    I was very invested in the book. When that happened I had to put the book down for a few weeks

  50. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Clancy was, too, a smoker. And most of the characters in his novels were heavy smokers.
    It would be poetic justice if Clancy died from smoking-related cause(s). Perhaps this is why the cause of his death has not be released.

  51. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    Vegetarians and vegans aren't necessarily any healthier than anyone else: It all depends on a lot more than what somebody eats or doesn't eat.

    I know a vegan who eats a steady diet of ho-ho's and sugared coconut milk. This individual is about 450lbs.

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  52. His early books are classics by sirwired · · Score: 3, Insightful

    His early books, (all in the Jack Ryan) series, up to and including Cardinal of the Kremlin, were excellent, as was Red Storm Rising and some of his non-fiction books were excellent. Well-written, tightly-plotted, thrillers with interesting characters. I think Sum of All Fears was the start of the slide (Clear and Present was borderline...)

    I was first introduced to his books when reading a copy of Hunt for Red October in my high-school library. In retrospect, I should have stolen it, as it was a first-edition copy from the Naval Institute Press. (His jacket photo was of him as a dorky clerk in his Father-in-law's insurance office.)

    I think his later books suffered from his success, as they were written like he no longer paid any attention to his editor (I once saw the same sentence repeated on consecutive pages), and his books become overlong, sloppy, and too packed with rambling polemic. (Although I suppose you can argue that for the audience that enjoys polemic, they were too mild.)

  53. More than 3 movies by sjbe · · Score: 1

    He wrote 17 number one selling books and had three of his books turned into blockbuster movies.

    More than 3 books became movies. Off the top of my head, Hunt for Red October, Sum of All Fears, Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, Red Storm Rising. Would not be surprised to see several more of his works become movies at some point.

    1. Re:More than 3 movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Storm Rising movie? Are you from an alternate universe, or did you just zone out watching Battleship?

  54. The irony of dieing in October by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Dead October? Too bad. I enjoyed his books.

    1. Re:The irony of dieing in October by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're using the wrong calendar. The term "Red October" refers to the "Krasny Oktyabr" of November 7th and 8th, 1917.

      The Russians were still using the Julian system back then. They aren't anymore.

  55. Red Rabbit... by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 1

    I remember reading The Sum Of All Fears in 1993 as my first Clancy book. I couldn't put it down and read it all the way through until 4 am.

    Fast forward 20 or so years, and many books by Clancy. Then I started reading his Red Rabbit.

    What a horrible book. His whining and rambling about how much worse the coffee is in England than in the US. How horrible the beef in Eastern Europe is as compared to the US. And making the same comments on this, over and over and over and over again. What a load of drivel it became!

    Still enjoy playing the Ghost Recon games though.

    1. Re:Red Rabbit... by aaronjp · · Score: 1

      I have a copy I've been trying to read for the last ten years. I keep putting it down to read other more interesting books.

  56. His best book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad he cannot do part 2 of this http://feisar.de/content/gfx_en_sumofallcliches.html

  57. First serious novel I read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hunt for Red October. When I read it, I was no more than 10 years old. The size of the book more than the prose was what I found intimidating back then. RIP Tom Clancy. You contributed something to this world that was appreciated.

  58. Re:Two in one day... Stephen King, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4chan??? "Stephen King is dead" is one of the classic /. trolls from way back, and strangely appropriate here ... (was kinda hoping the summary would say that Clancy was truly an American icon, but sadly not).

    *sigh* ... youngsters. Get off my lawn, etc.

  59. Re:Sad news ... Stephen King, dead at 54 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YHBT. YHL. HAND.

    (Seriously, is there an older copy-paste troll still seeing regular use on /. than this? How in the world does anyone fall for it?!)

  60. The CO-Author of the Hunt for Red October by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    Larry Bonds, the creator of the naval simulator Harpoon basically wrote HFRO. Whole paragraphs of his user manual made it into the 'novel' which was basically unreadable and despite its reputation, contained no information that wasn't publicly available to anyone who reads Jane's. Clancy was basically a brand manager for ghost writers.

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    1. Re:The CO-Author of the Hunt for Red October by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. He was a great manager of his "brand".

      I also believe that Clancy was "bi". He had been seen on a couple of occasions in some of the "Charm City" gay bars. He always looked kind of creepy to me. In fact, he looked something like a garden gnome or an L. Frank Baum munchkin.

  61. Re:Sad news ... Stephen King, dead at 54 by David_W · · Score: 1

    You'd particularly think they would update it since he turned 66 2-ish weeks ago.

  62. Re:Twitter? Really? by u38cg · · Score: 1

    Given the young age at which he died (in mortality terms), he probably dropped dead without warning. That's quite a traumatic and busy time for those around you, and press releases may may not be top of your list.

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  63. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > bet he was a meat eater?

    Considering he was a Republican so therefore had no respect for life, he obviously is one of those meat eaters. The world is better off with one less of their kind.

  64. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That certain someone enjoyed the services of a "doctor" who was shooting him up with all sorts of crap. The politician might as well have been on a sausage-only diet.

  65. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by bearinboots · · Score: 1

    Not sure where you're getting your info: Clancy was a known heavy smoker.

  66. DON'T BE SUCH A SPERG!!! by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    I have a hard time calling a book with torture, revenge murder, drug use, and a special forces raid on a Vietnam POW camp a "romance novel". It's a character origin novel, and a really good story.

    He was JOKING.

    Good grief.

  67. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by mjwx · · Score: 2

    Also, at the risk of Godwinning the thread, a certain vegetarian German politician died at 56.

    Vegetarians and vegans aren't necessarily any healthier than anyone else: It all depends on a lot more than what somebody eats or doesn't eat.

    I disagree,

    There aren't any vegan rock stars because they all collapsed mid show due to a lack of iron and protein.

    Plus it's near impossible to find organic, fair-trade cocaine.

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  68. Sum Of All Fears was topical... by Lord+Dreamshaper · · Score: 1

    I was taking high school physics, specifically the basics of nuclear fission, at the time that I read the book in hardcover. That book made the class more interesting and the classes gave an extra layer of interest to the book

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  69. Harpoon by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    In the mid to late 90's my favourite video game was Harpoon, a naval command sym game based on work by Clancy and others. It was rather plain looking in terms of UI, but probably the best of this type of game I've played. I wish they had created something as good lately. But since this doesn't involve all sorts of cools graphics, I guess it's no wonder.

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  70. Not a great writer? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    Tom Clancy? The guy who thought that throwing as many acronym's and jargon into a paragraph as he could was good writing? His books, especially the recent ones, were Fetish fuel for right wing engineers who read Janes.

  71. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of people deciding to become vegetarians, do so out of fear from existing or potential health problems.

  72. Re:Unhealthy Americans vs. Veganism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He/she isn't a very good vegan then... Ho-Ho's contain animal fat shortening.