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How Data Analytics In Education Could Create a New Class of Haves and Have-nots

mattydread23 writes "Every student learns differently. Some educators are starting to use data analytics to figure out how to tailor teaching techniques to individual students, rather than using the 'one size fits all' approach. But Alec Ross, a senior advisor on innovation at the U.S. State Department, worries this would create a new class of haves and have-nots. Speaking at the Schools for Tomorrow conference last week, Ross said, 'A lot of what I see is the ability to productize and commercialize very intensive assessments of individual limits. So what I imagine is parents getting their kids essentially a $30,000 educational checkup where they extract enormous amounts of data about the kinds of learners their children are, the kinds of education deficits they have.'"

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  1. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other words, the parents that already are able to blow large sums of money on the education of their children will have yet another way to do so in future.

    So nothing changes really.

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    1. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by schneidafunk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Compare 1st world educations to 3rd world educations. Actually I love the idea of making kids smarter and having individualized education. What's the problem with smarter people?

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    2. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So lets keep everything equally dumb, right? Typical leftist mentality... Lets share the misery!

      Typical rightist mentality - never publicly fund a means of people bettering themselves. Otherwise we might have a true meritocracy, rather than a self-reinforcing class system. Bonus points if you can repeal the part of the Constitution prohibiting the government from granting titles of nobility.

    3. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Because no one has ever lost their job or had a medical cost they could not afford.

      I hope that one day this happens to you. So you can learn some compassion. Sadly I doubt you would. I have an uncle who says this crap, now his lifestyle caught up with him and he lives only on the generosity of the state. He says well he paid for those programs he should get to use them, without realizing so did the folks he used to hate.

    4. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      How so? Social Security is what, 80 years old? Medicaid is from the 60s (though both Bush and Obama did expand it significantly). But the last major socialization was in the 80s when Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act in 1986. Obamacare does rejigger things, but doesn't do anything nearly as sweeping as requiring everyone be treated regardless of ability to pay.

      Anyway, I don't see how expanding programs from 30+ years ago really qualifies as becoming a leftist state. To make such a statement ignores other forces - like corporations slowly gaining more and more independence from government. It ignores the 90s-era scaling back of welfare. It ignores the growing gap in wealth and income, which would not be a hallmark of a socialist state.

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    5. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by fredprado · · Score: 2

      Oh lets stop the melodramatic crap. You do far more harm by enabling people to be irresponsible than by denying help to those that are afflicted by bad luck.

      Even worse the huge costs of the health care that would break the poor unlucky guy in your example and difficulty to find new jobs would be the directly results of your welfare state. So basically you and your policies create the problem you accuse me of not wanting to solve.

      What you guys are unable to understand is that there is no perfect solution. Everything is based on compromises. By pretending the compromises do not exist and aiming to the ideal you end making the situation worst.

    6. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by Webcommando · · Score: 2

      Because no one has ever lost their job or had a medical cost they could not afford.

      I cannot agree with you more. The post you responded to definitely has a narrow view of the world.

      How about a sad story: A professional woman who ran a sales organization has a great career with good money and a husband who works as well. Nice home and is raising 6 children with good moral character even though one has a learning disability and another some anger management issues.

      Fast forward 6 years: After two bouts with cancer and some chronic pain after surgery this woman is now on permanent disability. You know how much that pays a month? Not much. Husband and other men in her life are gone because men suck at living up to responsibility and she's stuck with no insurance, house is gone, and kids still need to eat. Thank god for government programs (which her taxes helped fund for years) so she might be able to afford food and medical care.

      I am sure she's very sorry to be an undeserving leech, "welfare" mother in an otherwise perfect world the poster lives in.

      How do I know all this? Well, she's my fiance and I'm looking forward to spending my life with her. Hey, that's good news...one less undeserving welfare mom for us to cover. You want to discuss fixing fraud, negative incentives for working, mismanagement of government programs, have at it, but let those deserving of some help out of it.

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    7. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you can learn some compassion.

      It is not "compassion", if the poor and the sick are provided for by the government. No, it is not. You can not claim to be compassionate, if you are spending (voting to spend) somebody else's money — however just and noble the cause.

      If it really is just and noble, then you should have no problem persuading people to donate to charity(ies) meant to address it.

      And if you can not persuade the selfish pricks (your fellow countrymen) to support a particular cause, forcing them to do it at gun-point (via the IRS) is not "compassionate"... It is patently dishonest.

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    8. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by mi · · Score: 2

      Also, it sounds like you only want wealthy people to have children. Just another way the wealthy is keeping the poor down

      Raising a child is a major expense. With modern contraception methods it is rather irresponsible for people, who can't afford it, to have children.

      Wanting them to not do it is not "keeping the poor down" — it is dissuading the poor from making a mistake. There is nothing wrong with it — especially for those, who will, likely, end up paying the poor's bill...

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    9. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by vux984 · · Score: 2

      And why exactly welfare spending has steadily raised since then to more than the double of the expenditure per capita?

      My parents first home was $20,000 the same house today is over $100,000. Gasoline was 0.36 cents a gallon. Today its $4.00. A dozen eggs was $0.62, today its $2.00

      You are claiming welfare spending has only doubled per capita?
      The price of everything else has increased 4 fold to 10 fold, while the welfare has only doubled.

      What exactly are you complaining about? That's a substantial reduction, using the numbers you yourself are claiming to be true.

    10. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by HaZardman27 · · Score: 3

      Husband and other men in her life are gone because men suck at living up to responsibility

      Aaaaand I stopped caring about what you had to say.

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    11. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by ultranova · · Score: 2

      You can not claim to be compassionate, if you are spending (voting to spend) >somebody else's money â" however just and noble the cause.

      How very fortunate, then, that you can't vote to spend somebody else's money. You can only vote on how to spend public money. As is your right, living in a democratic society and all, which of course gives you you duties as well - such as paying your taxes.

      And if you can not persuade the selfish pricks (your fellow countrymen) to support a particular cause, forcing them to do it at gun-point (via the IRS) is not "compassionate"... It is patently dishonest.

      Except, of course, that this isn't what's happening. The selfish pricks agreed to being taxed and having that tax money be controlled by representatives elected by popular vote by doing business in the US; them turning around and whining when it turns out they didn't get their way in said vote, now that is dishonest.

      You don't get to agree on a deal and then call your debtor a thief when he comes collecting.

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    12. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How very fortunate, then, that you can't vote to spend somebody else's money. You can only vote on how to spend public money.

      Before it became "public" it was somebody's — someone was forced (at the implied gun-point) to pay taxes. In other words, public money is someone else's and your attempts to make a distinction are in error.

      The selfish pricks agreed to being taxed and having that tax money be controlled by representatives

      Yeah, perhaps. The point was to stop the name-calling — and the grandstanding. Unless one spends his own money, one is not compassionate. Similarly, one not wanting to spend public money on somebody else's foo shall not be called a villain, who wants to take foo away from others.

      You don't get to agree on a deal and then call your debtor a thief when he comes collecting.

      When two wolves and a sheep vote on what's for dinner, the sheep does get to call wolves murderers...

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    13. Re:Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      I was curious so I looked into some of your examples.

      Emirates: The UAE is an odd bird in that only 13% of its population are natives - most are foreigners just working there. It seems that if you are one of the natives, you are covered by government-paid health insurance, and if you are a foreigner you are forced into a mandatory insurance system, like Obamacare. According to this article, it is far more socialist than the US: all citizens get free healthcare, free education, subsidized utilities, free land, zero interest loans for homes, etc. All told, citizens average $55,000 each in handouts. About 20% of UAE residents live below the poverty line, compared to 15% of Americans and 6% of the French.

      Hong Kong: Provides universal healthcare to citizens through public-run hospitals. While it is true that Hong Kong is known for being a bit stingy with welfare, they do offer free public education for 12 years and subsidize college. They provide subsidized rents to 30% of the population and subsidized home purchases for another 18%. Still, their total social spending compared to GDP is roughly 1/3 that of ours - but ours has gone from around 24% in 2008 to around 30% as a result of the recession. 20% of people there live under the poverty line.

      Singapore: I've spent considerable time there. The health care is "free market", but heavily subsidized by a mandatory contribution from your pay check. The free market aspect is nice because it gets people shopping around, but the fact is that the bulk of the cost is still paid for by taxes. If you get really sick and you don't have enough money, the government steps in with a safety net. On the welfare side, they are a pretty good example, but the goverment owns something like 85% of the island and builds all of the housing. And while they do not have government-run social security, they do have mandatory pensions. I have to say that, aside from the whole "self reliance" mentality, the whole place has a "big brother" feel to it. The government is way more in your face... they own everything and they micromanage everything. There is only one real political party, and the newspapers aren't allowed to criticize it. It "feels" more socialist. Singapore doesn't even bother with a poverty line :)

      Saudi Arabia: I don't think you meant to put this on the list. It has become a notorious welfare state. The locals get oil money and they bring in foreigners to do all of the work. There is no real economy there except for oil - though the government is working to change that.

      I would also point out that of your 4 examples, 2 are oil-rich and 2 are these odd-ball city-states with a very unique history. Hong Kong is one city, yet it has the same population as all of Norway! Comparing the two is only instructive to a certain point.

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  2. One size does not fit all... by nebaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great, so someone laments the fact that some people may end up more educated than others. Wouldn't it be better if we taught everyone to their potential instead of holding back the more gifted students so everyone is equal? Lowest common denominator is "lowest" for a reason.

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    1. Re:One size does not fit all... by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great, so someone laments the fact that some people may end up more educated than others.

      No, what they object to is that how well educated you are may depend mostly on how much money your parents' have. It's already like that to a large extent. Welcome back to the old, and reviled, British class system. I thought we were Americans.

      Most people believe in a meritocracy to a large extent, but the merit should be based on your abilities, not your parents' income.

    2. Re:One size does not fit all... by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is important to distinguish between equality in opportunity versus equality in accomplishment.

    3. Re:One size does not fit all... by sjames · · Score: 2

      No, he laments that the dumbest rich kid will likely get a better education than the smartest poor kid.

    4. Re:One size does not fit all... by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most people believe all kinds of lies. We have never been a meritocracy. We have always had a rather class based system. A great example was Romney speaking of being in a bad spot financially so he had to sell some stock one time. That was his idea of a financial struggle and of those like him. He advised students to borrow money from their parents to start a business. He was not being a bad person he just has no idea about reality for 99% of people. Just like you have no idea what it is like to live like those people. To him spending ~$80k a year on a dancing horse is normal. To us that would be lunacy.

      We like to all pretend we are middle class for some reason, when this is clearly not the case.

    5. Re:One size does not fit all... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      No one gets rich designing rocket engines. Those folks are still poor compared to the actual rich.

    6. Re:One size does not fit all... by ScottMiller · · Score: 2

      The problem is that when we set up schools that are tailored to the kids that are easy to educate, we tend to separate them from the kids that are hard to educate. At that point, someone will decide that because the classes are made up of 42% white kids and 58% minority kids and they are being taught arithmetic and sixth grade reading instead of calculus and creative writing, we are trying to bring back segregation. In fact they will almost certainly file a lawsuit based on the Civil Rights Act and talk about how we are limiting the opportunity of these children by pigeon holing them as underperforming children and after the lawyers of these fine high minded organizations collect their big fat fee, we will be worse off than we started but some champion of the minority community will get to claim a "victory" in the fight to eradicate racism even though they have all but guaranteed that none of the children that they "defended" will be able to correctly say, read or even write the word eradicate. Winning!!!

    7. Re:One size does not fit all... by Hatta · · Score: 2

      He was not being a bad person he just has no idea about reality for 99% of people.

      Attempting to lead people, while having no idea what reality is for 99% of those people is being a bad person.

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  3. Conformity by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ve must make sure that no one person can excel above anyone else, no matter what the cost!

    You, Citizen, are not allowed to show deviation from the norm. Intelligence is deviation. Non-Conformity is deviation. Beliefs not held by your leaders is deviation.

    Carry on (without deviation).

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    1. Re:Conformity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are missing the point totally.

      The spirit of this "fairness" mindset is not to make sure no one person can excel - but to ensure everyone has a fair chance to succeed by placing them on the same *starting line*, to make sure success later in life has more correlation to individual intelligence and diligence than how much money their parents have.

    2. Re:Conformity by ebno-10db · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So if we can't afford it for every student, let's give it to every N'th student. The lucky students can be picked via a lottery. That's just as reasonable of a way of providing this to only a portion of the students as choosing only rich kids. Still can't afford it? Just tax the parents of the rich kids. Be careful though - this might create a meritocracy instead of a class system. Wealthy parents are often concerned that their little darlings wouldn't excel if they actually had to compete on an equal basis with the riffraff.

    3. Re:Conformity by baKanale · · Score: 2

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  4. I think I see the problem by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So let me get this straight... the "senior advisor on innovation" thinks that data analytics will pinpoint successful systems for an individual, and do so accurately enough that parents would pay $30,000 a piece for it. I think I see the problem.

    Data analytics can't predict the future. It can, however, give a good indication of statistical probabilities, such that the average effect over many individuals will be predictable. This is much more suited to evaluating new general techniques, rather than specific curricula. Evaluate a few tens of thousands of students, analyze what worked and what didn't, and try that as a program for everybody. On a widespread basis, you'll get good results.

    For individual good results, the old way still works best: Encourage students and teachers to work together to understand each other, and take the time to understand what the student wants or needs to learn effectively. While the teacher can create a good learning environment in the classroom, the parents should continue that at home. If you're looking for a way to ensure your kid has a successful education, $30,000 of specialized data analysis won't help, but an hour of parent-teacher conferences just might. Then take the extra $30,000 and add it to teachers' salaries.

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  5. Re:Buy yourself future money(even more!) by khallow · · Score: 2

    It's increasingly becoming the case, especially in the US. Investment returns compared to work returns have skyrocketed, top marginal tax rates(and particular capital gains) have dropped absurdly, and mobility supporting institutions have been increasingly privatized, disestablished, or defunded.

    I disagree. What is happening is that labor is just not as valuable as it used to be in the developed world, that is, your little corner of reality. That's the spur for all these imaginary problems. The rest of the world is benefiting just fine.

  6. Re:Only if we market extra learning courses as ext by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

    No, it is deeper than that. Some kids lean better using the whole word method â" others by using phonics or some other technique. Figure out what method the kid is better at and the kid can sprint ahead by 1 or 2 grade levels. Pick the wrong method and the kid will lag behind by 1 or 2 grade levels.

    I am going to give myself and my sister-in-laws as examples.

    When I was in middle school my parents paid for a expensive independent clinic. The examination took a full week, involved multiple specialist. I was diagnosed with dyslexia, dysgraphia, borderline ADD. From that my family and teachers were able to put together a plan. Writing papers were a issue for me but I learned how to compensate â" for example that after writing a paper I need to put it away for at least a day so I can revisit it with fresh eyes. I will never be a natural writer but I have mastered techniques so I am not at a disadvantage. My math and logic skills where high so efforts were made so I could focus on these areas.

    My sister-in-law was struggling in high school so the school did some testing over 2 days by a teacher (i.e. no specialized training, no advance degrees) where she was diagnosed as having a generic learning disability. What was that disability? Donâ(TM)t know. What is the best tactics to compensate for that disability? Donâ(TM)t know. She struggled both in high school and college.

  7. Re:What the hell costs $30k? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    $30k? Pshaw, that's nothing. You can blow that in a month-long summer camp that characterizes your kids individual learning traits and tailors a specific program for each type of learning they do. Heck, that's barely 120 hours of evaluation by a top professional - you'll probably get an assistant for most of the time at a lower rate, and then conference with the behavioral and learning expert maybe an hour a day to make sure progress is being made. Add in the facility charges, activity and learning material fees, final report and conference fees and $30k seems like it would barely cover it.

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  8. Re:Only if we market extra learning courses as ext by ranton · · Score: 2

    He is worried that the assessments themselves will be very expensive. It is not the specialized classes that would cost extra, but the assessment that determines which classes to take make be more thorough if you can spend money for private testing. I am not commenting on whether I agree with him, but that is his contention.

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  9. Idiot by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But Alec Ross, a senior advisor on innovation at the U.S. State Department, worries this would create a new class of haves and have-nots.

    Please fire this advisor without delay. He apparently doesn't understand process optimization. This is nothing new; Educators have been aware for decades that everyone has their own learning style, and therefore curriculum is tailored to try and use as many of those methods as possible for mass education. However, it is highly inefficient -- someone who learns best from hands-on is sitting bored out of their skull while the teacher asks everyone to copy what's on the blackboard into their notebooks to help the people who learn best by doing that. And both groups are bored to tears during the Q&A where you invariably get those two people that need to talk their way through the material to understand it.

    By tailoring curriculum individually and/or grouping students by learning style, the teacher wastes less time, the students remain more engaged and retain more of the material, and the overall program costs go down as the grouped students are able to learn faster. It's a dirty little secret that most of public education is busywork... homework doesn't work for many people, but because it helps "enough" people, everyone gets it.

    So you have students being forced to learn in a way that is unnatural and awkward -- it's like forcing a left handed person to write right handed. Schools do this, and it causes neurosis and MRI scans of these people's brains a few years after being forced to use the wrong hand shows clear and unique changes to their brain. Now imagine we're doing that to everyone and it quickly becomes clear just how toxic our public education system is with its "one size fits all" approach.

    Customized curriculum is a win for everyone. There are no losers in this; Everyone has a learning style, they're well documented, and we know what the percentages of each in the general population they exist in. Schools can plan for this. It's all statistics... and the larger the school, the more efficient it becomes, unlike the current model. Everyone talks about ratios of teachers to students, but that's the wrong model. We need to be thinking of ratios of types of students.

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  10. Fair has nothing to do with it by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    For each pupil you've got $10,000 to service capital debt, maintain facilities, procure and maintain learning tools and resources, provide transportation, and hire educators and management. Direct contact with the instructor shall not be less than 1000 hours per year.

    Go - tell me how you create and implement a personalized learning plan and provide full-time, tailored individual instruction for every student. You've got almost $10/hour to do it, I'm sure you can make it work.

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  11. Re:Fear Potential Misuse and Forgo Effective Benef by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

    Just like private universities can offer a lower priced education than public universities.

  12. Re:Part of learning is learning to adapt by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    You might be able to teach someone to learn to learn, and how to best compensate for their weaknesses. Generally, learning to learn is not the result of having difficulty learning so much as it is learning. The more you learn, the more you learn how to learn to learn.

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  13. What's the author's point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The author's arguing against finding effective teaching models for individual students because there's a cost involved in doing so. Yes, there's always a cost for new technologies. Over time, we find efficient ways to deliver technology and the cost comes down.

    There's no set cost currently for applying data analytics in education anyway; if costs end up low, the author's point may be altogether moot.

  14. Analytics Ruining NY Schools by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here in NY we've given Pearson $4 million to give overly difficult tests to our kids. The result? 30% passing rate. To which the governor threatened to shut down schools who don't raise their scores. (He actually called it a "death penalty for schools.")

    The quirk here is that charter schools and private schools are exempt from the testing. So if public schools are closed for not meeting ridiculous standards, more charter schools will be opened. Charter schools are run by businesses and - although they take public money - act more like private schools in that they can decide who attends. If your kids has ANY special needs at all, they can find themselves kicked out or rejected. So you'll wind up with the "haves" (students whose parents can afford private schools or who get into charter schools) and the "have nots" (students with special needs who are herded into the poorly funded remains of the public school system).

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  15. Re:Fear Potential Misuse and Forgo Effective Benef by Jiro · · Score: 2

    Just like private universities can offer a lower priced education than public universities.

    Much of the reason the cost of education goes up is the reaction to government-guaranteed student loans. If banks and others who gave out student loans had to depend on them being paid back in the same way as other loans, they would not be willing to loan huge amounts (especially for classes that don't provide marketable skills) and the colleges would not have raised their tuition to the sky in order to capture those large amounts.

  16. WTF are they talking about? by greywire · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work for a company that does (among other things) online assessments and data analytics. We're all about the data and how we can use that to help teachers help their kids. How is this a bad thing? The more you know about how the kids are doing, the more you can help them. I don't know how they are getting this idea of something equivalent to an expensive full body physical scan that most people cant afford (besides the fact that over time such scans will get cheaper and cheaper...).

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  17. Re:Buy yourself future money(even more!) by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Safe investments are rather limited. If it's actually safe, the return will be less than inflation...unless you are depending on inside information. And wrapping your life around it.

    The system is broken and sick. It's not (or wasn't a few years ago) extremely broken, to the point where some minor adjustments wouldn't fix it. But the people in charge have made changes in the opposite direction.

    OTOH, a violent revolution rarely makes things better, even eventually. It tends to bring violently psychotic sociopaths to the top rather then the rather bland sociopaths that the US currently has. Answer? I keep hoping for a technological fix, because I sure don't see how to implement a political one. (And the technological fix is going to require a lot of luck as several key points that are years to decades in the future. It could be a robot judge that actually enfoces equality before the law. Or something unforeseen. But it could just as easily, or even easier, be robot (or obedient) soldiers that wouldn't hesitate to kill whoever they are told to kill, even their friends and relatives. Which would solve it in a very different and unpleasant way.

    P.S.: Have you noticed how much effort the US is putting into robotic soldiers? (I know that they aren't really robots, but their controllers can be kept under strict watch to ensure that they remain obedient, so it's similar.)

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  18. Re:Only if we market extra learning courses as ext by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those with an extra $30K get evaluated and get a tailored education, the rest get a one size fits all education.

    There was time, when a watercloset was a luxury only available to the rich. Or a personal automobile. Or air-travel. Or a telephone (first wired and then cellular). Or a personal computer...

    If government blocks adoption of foo until even the poorest can afford it, we'll never have it at all. Fortunately, with all of the items I listed, the government was not really in a position to block adoption.

    Unfortunately, with innovative education methods it is...

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  19. A little slow vs. gifted by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

    I remember in middle school there was a special 'gifted talent' class for the bright kids and a special ed class for the slow kids. I mentally kept track of who was who and as the years went by many of the slow kids went on to excel academically simply because the extra time they needed on the basics was taken and the class was always small so they received a lot individual attention. Many went on to graduate with honors and most went on to college. A lot of the so called gifted kids went on to become academically mediocre and most did not go to college and in some cases dropped out. I assure you it was not a matter of 'they were so smart they were board' - it was a mystery how some of those kids made it into the gifted class in the first place. In fact I later found out that the gifted class was self-learning with no structure at all so they basically learned nothing. Personally, I started college at 16 (didn't finish like an idiot) but was considered by the public school system to be mediocre in all subjects but science.

    No opinion here, I'm just saying is all. Make of it what you will.

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  20. Re:Part of learning is learning to adapt by CCarrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    You might be able to teach someone to learn to learn, and how to best compensate for their weaknesses. Generally, learning to learn is not the result of having difficulty learning so much as it is learning. The more you learn, the more you learn how to learn to learn.

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  21. Article gets the wrong idea. by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 2

    My wife handles a lot of the data analysis at a UK school. She essentially is there to track students and the schools progress throughout the year against the various national standards, so the school can intervene when something is going wrong.

    From a schools point of view, it is primarily about the "value added". A student arrives at the school, with an education achievement history that sets a bar of expectation of achievement. The goal of the school is to improve the grades for the students as they progress and eventually leave the school.

    When it is applied well, this approach works. Underachieving students get identified and intervention can take place. Coasting students are also identified and pushed. If you doing well, well than keep it up :) About the only real issue is that the national standards are a arbitrary, and keep getting changed by Michael Gove.

    But this data is built up over months and years of internal and external assessments.

  22. Re:Only if we market extra learning courses as ext by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    Fortunately, with all of the items I listed, the government was not really in a position to block adoption. Unfortunately, with innovative education methods it is...

    Private schools and home schoolers can do pretty much whatever they want, so long as they provide a decent education somewhere in there. Rich parents take advantage of this fact to ensure that their little angel goes to a top-tier prep school rather than a public school.

    The government only has the power to adopt a particular technique or tool in public schools, which has everything to do with the fact that they write the checks in public schools. And even then, the local government usually has wide discretion in what they do, so you don't have to convince Congress, you have to convince 7 people at a local school board meeting just down the street from where you live.

    So government doesn't prevent a method from being adopted at all. It only prevents a method from being adopted on somebody else's nickel.

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  23. Re:Only if we market extra learning courses as ext by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    The infrastructure for plumbing was paid for by the gov't. So where the roads that made cars more than interesting toys. And telephone lines. Most of the research that made the personal computer possible was done on the public dime. And then there's that whole "Internet" thing (please, no Al Gore jokes).

    I think the problem we have with the $30,000 bill is that it's so high that the only way it'll ever be more than a toy and a curiosity is if the gov't steps in to fund it, and the rich have a long, long history of getting the gov't to fund their lifestyles and not everyone else's.

    Also, let's not underestimate the amount of work that those $30,000 of tests represent. If research is focused on a few rich kids, it's being directed away from somewhere else. Supply siders like to point out that resources are limited until it no longer fits their world view. Then they trot out the old: "Economy's not Zero Sum" and call it a day.

    Basically, instead of a vast amount of society's wealth and resources going to make a few rich kid's lives better, I'd like to see the focus on research that benefits the most number of people. Why? Because I'm not rich, and probably never will be. Statistically the same is true for all /.ers. If it wasn't, there's be no 'rich' because if everyone was rich the word wouldn't mean anything...

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  24. Haves and have nots? by russotto · · Score: 2

    More like "can" and "cannots". The question of how to handle the "cannots" doesn't go away just because you refuse to identify them.