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Grocery Store "Smart Shelves" Will Identify Customers, Show Targeted Ads

cagraham writes "Snack company Mondelez International (maker of Oreos, Trident, Cadbury eggs) will introduce so-called 'smart shelves' into store checkout aisles beginning 2015. The shelves will use Microsoft's Kinect software, in addition to other tech, to identify shoppers age and sex, and will then use that info to deliver demographically tailored advertisements. The shelves will be able to track engagement, monitor how long customer's watch each ad, and offer discounts if a customer is considering a purchase (weight sensors will tell the machine if you pick up a product). Mondelez says the software will only use and collect aggregate data, and will not record any video or photos."

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  1. Could be good. by meerling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Especially once we figure out how to 'convince' it to give us the best discount on everything.

    Humans are lousy at reading humans, machines programmed by humans and used on the cheap will be relatively easy to fool.

    1. Re:Could be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially once we figure out how to 'convince' it to give us the best discount on everything.

      What exactly do you think the idea of the discount is?
      In this case it isn't to get rid of vegetables before they get old. Nor is it to make you buy what you need in bulk to cut down handling costs.

      In this particular case the discount isn't actually a discount but rather the correct value of something that has been intentionally overpriced to make you believe that you are getting a better deal than you actually do.
      If you find a way to trick it into giving you the discount and this makes you feel clever and like you are cheating the system then they have succeeded as far as they possibly could with a system like that. You might even end up buying more than you can actually use just to spite them.

    2. Re:Could be good. by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Many jurisdictions actually have laws against such deceptive pricing practices, with varying requirements to be met.

      The point of a discount is to be the tie-breaking factor in whether or not to buy a product of a particular brand. The seller loses some profit, perhaps even all profit, but gains a sale and may even make his competitor lose one. It can provide an opportunity to prove that one product is as good or better than an alternative, thus winning market share.

      It is important to remember your own intent at all times. If you plan on buying a Brand X widget, a discount on Brand Y widgets don't matter, but a discount on Brand X only helps you. If, however, you were shopping for a widget with no brand loyalty, the discount may be enough to redirect your dollars, with both you and the discounted brand benefiting. The only way you lose with a discount is if, as you pointed out, you buy more than you otherwise would have. That's a bad idea regardless of discounts.

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    3. Re:Could be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless advertising somehow decreases the cost of bringing products to market, it actually increases prices in the aggregate. You may pay less for a particular product on a particular day, just like you may occasionally win at roulette. Overall though, advertising increases expenditures by the companies, just like the odds favor the house. That cost is passed on to you, even though it's probably not that large. The house edge isn't that large either; but you still lose.

      They keep telling us that if they target us, they can increase efficiency. In theory, if they could deliver just the right number of tomatoes to the store, none of them would spoil. In practice, they don't actually know when anybody is going to make tomato sauce. If they did, they'd really be reading our minds.

      I'm skeptical that any store has actually increased overall efficiency with their club cards, targeted ads, etc; but I'm open to the idea and would be interested in seeing some links to real studies that weren't conducted by people selling targeting technology.

    4. Re:Could be good. by daem0n1x · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's more likely to happen is that this will annoy the fuck out of me so much that I'll never return to that retailer again. And let the "smart shelf" figure out the reason why.

    5. Re:Could be good. by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      I feel the same about it, but I think it would be fun to fuck with them by making it a point to pick up every item on the shelf. You could walk all over the store picking up items with no intention of buying them.

    6. Re:Could be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      But targeting costs money. You need data about your potential customers and the ability to use it. The data isn't free and depending on what data you have, you might need some really smart people to figure out how to benefit from it. And a lot more advertising is targeted than you might think because people find it invasive, if they find out how much the advertiser knows about them. For instance, a consumer that regularly buys diapers can be assumed to have a kid. However, since that consumer would find it invasive to get advertising for toys that precisely matches the kid's age and gender as soon as toy purchases has revealed that too, the advertisers often make brochures which are a lot more customized than you'd think unless you compare two "identical" ones. A brochure for the aforementioned parent would have a handful of pages with totally uninteresting products to make it non-obvious that the rest are highly targeted.

      I read a book on targeted marketing and cannot recall the trick that was used to deduct the approximate time when a customer was likely to give birth but I do recall that the parents of a newborn child are a seller's dream consumers. They're super tired, very emotional and have bad judgment so if you throw in some discount for diapers, they will come to your store and you don't need to offer coupons for anything else.

    7. Re:Could be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have yet to use a self-checkout.

      You see, I used to be a grocery checker, and I used to get a paycheck for doing that work. (I quit when I got a "real" job, but it got me through college.) When the stores decide to pay me (a 2% discount on everything I purchase through self-checkout would be nice), then I'll use the self-checkout. Until then, I'll wait in a long line, not buying their stale candy bars, and make their for-pay employees earn their paychecks (and keep their jobs).

    8. Re:Could be good. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Male, 15-19. Trojans, 20% discount!

      Male, 20-28. Durex, 20% discount!

      Female, 15-28. Pepper spray, 5% discount!

      Female, 35-55. T-Shirt, I am a Cougar, 35% discount!

    9. Re:Could be good. by dcollins · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Practically only Slahdotters ever think of technologically-targeted ads as a good thing. In polls, nearly 70% of the public oppose such practices:

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/12/privacy-do-not-track-ads-internet-gallup-poll.html

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    10. Re:Could be good. by vux984 · · Score: 2

      What is your comment to that?

      Would she like a 20 cent coupon on special K?

      Seriously. Who cares if it doesn't correctly detect that you sister has lupus and is on steroid therapy... if the outcome of an incorrect detection is...

      "Would she like a 20 cent coupon on special K?"

    11. Re:Could be good. by Anarchy24 · · Score: 2

      I wish I had a mod point :-)

    12. Re:Could be good. by MitchDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This.
      I am so so SICK of being advertised at... I pretty much take unsolicited ads as a "Do Not buy from" list, unless people I actually know and/or trust tell me about a useful product and I decide to actively look into it...

    13. Re:Could be good. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Fat person detected. Would you be interested in a 20 cents off coupon for Special K?"

      More like "Fat person detected. Have a coupon for 50 cents off 5-gallon Hagen-Daas, 2-for-1 Mega-Bag chips and 3-liter Diet Dr. Pepper".

    14. Re:Could be good. by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      That works for small purchases, but the delays requesting clerk resets just because you re-positioned
      a can of beans in the bagging area isn't worth the time saving for big buys.

      Pick the middle aged lady as your checkout line, and ignore any minor difference in line length.

      Smart shoppers learn that the semi cute checkers are new hires. The haggered looking
      middle aged women are long time employees and know every price/number in the book and never
      have to look up anything when the bar code sticker falls off the Mellon.

      If she calls everyone in line "Hun", chances are you are in the right line.

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    15. Re:Could be good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, lets destroy a use of technology that will make everyone's life easier.

      Easier?? From TFS:

      The shelves will be able to track engagement, monitor how long customer's watch each ad, and offer discounts if a customer is considering a purchase (weight sensors will tell the machine if you pick up a product).

      Yeah, that will totally make my life easier in the "don't over-pay" department. It's bad enough with club cards, and waiting week to week until that one item I want is on sale, and stocking up enough to hopefully last me until the next time. But now I have to do a little song and dance in the aisle, without even knowing if I'll get a coupon out of it? No, sorry, but fuck that shit.

    16. Re:Could be good. by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is an incremental step. One of hundreds. That's how we're approaching the point where there is nowhere you can glance and not be exposed to an ad.

    17. Re:Could be good. by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is nothing about this proposed technology designed to make your life easier.
      Its not there for you. Its there for the stores.
      It won't reduce your prices.
      It will not save you money.

      Frankly, I'd rather remain an ass then become a koolaid drinking idiot like you.

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    18. Re:Could be good. by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

      "Anyways, you sister in law is using her medications an excuse to eat too much."

      Dumbass! learn about what steroids can do to a body. She was not an over eater never was Steroid make you bloat so get educated before ya open your stupid mouth. Yes too many are fat lazy people if i thought for 1 second she fit that billing i wouldn't have posted it dumbass. Look up Jerry Lewis a famous steroid user.

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  2. Oh shit by darrellg1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    the condom section is going to go nuts....

  3. Great way to lose customers by treerex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I for one have no interest in such targeted advertising, and until they become ubiquitous I'll avoid any store that has these.

    Can you imagine where this will go? Shelf notices that you're overweight and you picked up a candy bar? Screen says, "Are you sure you want to buy that?" This will work great until someone puts a sticker over the sensor bar.

    1. Re:Great way to lose customers by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'll need a hoodie and a mask, though.

      Likely not. Just wear a baseball cap with a bunch of IR emitting diodes on the brim. That will likely swamp any visual input and will look 'normal' to the unaided human eye.

      Come on guys, techno up here. This is a challange. Rise to it.

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    2. Re:Great way to lose customers by clickety6 · · Score: 2

      Can you imagine where this will go? Shelf notices that you're overweight and you picked up a candy bar? Screen says, "Are you sure you want to buy that?" This will work great until someone puts a sticker over the sensor bar.

      I can't see the stores limiting their profits sales by trying to dissuade customers from purchasing.

      More likely, if the sensor sees you're overweight, when you pick up a candy bar a voice will say " Go on, take five! Take ten! Take them all! You know you want to!"

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    3. Re:Great way to lose customers by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 2

      Better approach: Put a box of saltines where the Oreo's are supposed to be. Hold a bag of potatoes while standing on the weight sensor. Take stuff off the shelf, walk around the store and then put it back.

      Bad data is worse than no data.

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    4. Re:Great way to lose customers by mellon · · Score: 2

      More likely the shelf will urge you to get the king size instead of the regular. What makes you think the advertisers will take your interests to heart?

  4. Mondelez says by psybre · · Score: 2

    Mondelez says the software will only use and collect aggregate data, and will not record any video or photos."

    Yet.

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  5. OT: I'd love to see grocer cards banned by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'll never happen, but I'm sure they've been used as an end-around credit card privacy laws. I remember when my local grocer first introduced them. The prices of everything went up overnight, then you needed their card to get the same old prices. The thought that they might make advertising to me even more interactive isn't at all appealing.

    And, as for just switching grocery stores, I don't know where most of you live but here in KC I only have 2 practical choices (without a long drive).

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    1. Re:OT: I'd love to see grocer cards banned by cusco · · Score: 2

      When they ask for your phone number instead of the card use (321) 123-4567. There are several hundred (if not more) people around the country using that number. Works almost everywhere, if it doesn't work at some chain fill out a card. I've noticed QFC and Radio Shack will occasionally remove it, so I just fill out another form with the same number and a different name and it starts working again for another year or two.

      As an added benefit, it's amusing as all hell to see how many cashiers think that's my actual phone number.

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    2. Re:OT: I'd love to see grocer cards banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Grocer cards: Ask the person behind you if they want the extra purchase credit on their card. You get the "discount", they get entered into the database. Everyone's happy!

    3. Re:OT: I'd love to see grocer cards banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I always use Jenny's Number at chain stores.

    4. Re: OT: I'd love to see grocer cards banned by idontgno · · Score: 2

      How could they make it illegal?

      Lobbying. The usual way.

      Require a card to shop there? With the thin profit margin of grocert stores, they cant afford to pay someone to just check cards when people enter.

      You obviously haven't shopped at a Sam's Club. Hell, you haven't shopped at Wal-Mart... your friendly "Welcom to Wal-Mart" oldster could easily be repurposed as a card-check monkey, at precisely zero operating cost increase.

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  6. Re:How long will it last by buzzsawddog · · Score: 2

    At first you offer it for free. You convince people how important it is to them. Then you dangle them on a leash and make them think they are getting a discount. Then once they CANT LIVE WITHOUT IT you make them pay full price!!!

  7. Re:I wonder... by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would assist in a vandalism charge, just like it would if you used it on the cash registers, in-store speaker system, or vending machines. With the closed-circuit surveillance the stores already have for shoplifting, the trial would be speedy, and you'd likely be found liable for the replacement cost of the device, plus penalties.

    But hey, at least you'd have given a clear message to the store manager: You're a psychopath who carries a taser to intentionally damage someone else's property at the slightest provocation. That was the message you wanted to send, right?

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  8. Advertising Bubble by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the advertising becomes really bubbled I can see an issue where attractive people are shown healthy products and ugly people are shown unhealthy products because that's what their respective profiles are probably going to indicate that they want... It's like the Search Engine Bubble (http://dontbubble.us/) - except for advertising.

    This trend is obviously unhealthy...

  9. It's burka time! by wwalker · · Score: 2

    Time to start wearing burkas?

  10. By 2015 ... by jamesl · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... we'll all be "shopping" using Amazon Fresh and there will be nobody to "identify" in the grocery store.

  11. Just like google... by stanlyb · · Score: 2

    They promised to not use your personal data until....they changed TOS. Then they promised to use it only for ads....until they changed TOS. Then they promised not to f**** you......until they changed TOS.

  12. Re:This will be annoying by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stereotypes are a crude biologically-formed statistical analysis, stored in cultural memory and transmitted through oral and theatrical tradition.

    These systems will use a highly-refined statistical analysis, stored in The Cloud and transmitted through wired and wireless networks.

    Both will ultimately determine that people who have spent time in Australia are more likely to buy iocaine powder than a Sicilian. The latter system will just be able to tell you exactly how much more likely.

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  13. Re:What happened to monitors on shopping carts? by cusco · · Score: 2

    A bar I used to go to put little monitors above the urinals, displaying advertising. They didn't even last a full night.

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  14. Riiiiight... by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Mondelez says the software will only use and collect aggregate data, and will not record any video or photos.

    ...at first. Later on we make no promises.

    Seriously, if this can be abused it will be.

  15. Re:Game the system by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

    May I suggest that anyone wearing a Guy Fawkes mask gets bombarded with adverts for t-shirts with "TWAT" written on them?

  16. Laugh by koan · · Score: 2

    I have the dubious pleasure of being exposed to some of this tech, what's amusing is it does know who I am, but insist that I am also married.

    In fact every record I search on the Inet (pipl, spokeo, etc) all say I am married.

    I used to drink my share, but I don't recall ever getting that drunk so where is this marriage coming from?

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  17. the product must be consumed. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Informative

    this is consumer capitalism at its finest. No longer do we care about making a particularly good or useful product anymore. the focus is determining who is looking at the product, and custom tailoring a set of deceptive or manipulative advertising based on gender and age. Its desparation.

    Ive worked at a grocery store, so i can tell you this kind of crap is pervasive.. ultimately most people are so sick and tired of consumer capitalisms model of tricking us into buying garbage, that its all they can do to enter $Grocery_store and purchase the goods they need with a minimum of hassle. Grocery chains use different kinds of music and even sizes of floor tiles throughout the building to control shoppers walking speeds, they run vanilla airfresheners in the bakery department to ensure you always think something fresh is cooking, and they only fire up the 40 bird rotisserie during dinner hours. yearly, or more frequently, they also decide to completely revamp the store and put all the goods in different locations. if you make it past this insanity and find the toilet paper you originally wanted, you'll have to fight a kind of mathematic jigsaw puzzle more sinister than reaganomics that largely just ends up making you buy what grocers want you to. the asinine barking video adverts on some shelves already exist. theyre triggered by motion and they drive shoppers, in my observation, into a bath-salts rage most of the time. whats worse is all this stuff in a grocery store comes together as a 'perfect storm' during food-based holidays. the music, the smells, the colors, and everything designed to get normal shoppers to spend a few bucks more, sends people into sectarian violence during thanksgiving. I've seen customers literally beat eachother in the aisles for the last tin of pumpkin pie filling without so much as considering the 3 pallets of generic brand we keep in the far hinterlands near the milk. targeting things to customers wont work as well as you think.

    Stockers. stockers drive huge wooden pallets of cereal and such up and down aisles for restock. most of the boxes have smiling faces on them, so expect 200 or so encounters from the same middle aged man who never touches the product as he rolls down aisle 6 to be broken up, and placed on a shelf. these pallets are pretty big too, so dont expect third shift stockers to care that much if your camera gets nailed by 2000lbs of slow-moving watermelon on its way to produce. these guys routinely rip off coupon dispensers and colored banners hanging out of the aisles, and whatever ends up on the floor after 3rd shift usually gets thrown in the trash by first 1st shift clean crews.

    those loyalty cards. dont think for a minute your information isnt getting added from the advert to the card, or isnt somehow related, because it absolutely is. The card seriously knows more about who you are as a person than your closest loved ones, and is used to routinely provide a pavlovian treat to bad customers in order to get them to become good ones. the popularity of an item drives inversely its sale price, so expect the AI from the advert system to factor into this as well as restock levels and future pricing.

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    1. Re:the product must be consumed. by neminem · · Score: 2

      "those loyalty cards. dont think for a minute your information isnt getting added from the advert to the card, or isnt somehow related, because it absolutely is. The card seriously knows more about who you are as a person than your closest loved ones, and is used to routinely provide a pavlovian treat to bad customers in order to get them to become good ones."

      Stores I have loyalty cards with might know a lot about the person who owns the card, but here's a fun fact: they have no idea *who* owns the card. You don't actually have to fill out the demographic info sheet they give you when you get a card in order to use the card, or at least you haven't at the couple places I have cards with. So all they know is that *someone* is using the card to buy the stuff I bought. I'm happy giving them that information.

  18. Re:Good Lord... by pla · · Score: 3

    Can't we go anywhere without being subjected to advertisements?

    No, but you can learn the joy that comes from playing "make it stop talking".

    Try this as an experiment - Wait for a reasonably busy day at Target (a particularly egregious offender for this experiment). Go up to one of their many end-cap monitors screaming ads at you.

    And... Turn it off (some of them have no off switch, in which case, just unplug it). Simple as that.

    At first people will look shocked, then guiltily relieved, as realization slowly dawns on them - You've done nothing wrong, and the screeching has stopped! A few will even take up the "cause", and on a good day, you can get a wave of ad-lessness to spread out from your starting point that keeps the store basically ad-free until the end of the day, when sadly, everyone will have forgotten that they don't need to put up with it.


    Call me petty if you like, but little pleasures make life enjoyable. And I, for one, look forward to sensors that can weigh the product on the shelves, just to see how much fun we can have screwing with their error handling - How do they react to someone taking "half" of a can of tuna fish? How about adding one? Replacing one with two gallons of water? Fun fun fun!

  19. Re:I can see a problem here... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    Oh no, it won't say that.. It will go something like this...

    "Mr. Jones! You need to buy this month's issue of "insert title here" or I'm going to tell Mrs. Jones on Isle 3 about you... "

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  20. Track this... by linebackn · · Score: 3, Funny

    The shelves will be able to track engagement, monitor how long customer's watch each ad...

    Will they also track the frequency at which people "accidentally" smash these things?

  21. Just what I need, more ads by snoig · · Score: 2

    They already know I'm a middle aged single geek. How many more erectile dysfunction and over 50 dating site ads can they throw at me? And here's a clue for you ad programmers. If I need the erectile dysfunction pills, I don't need the dating sites and if I need the dating sites, I don't need the erectile dysfunction pills. Now get off my lawn!