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Sleep Is the Ultimate Brainwasher

sciencehabit writes "Every night since humans first evolved, we have made what might be considered a baffling, dangerous mistake. Despite the once-prevalent threat of being eaten by predators, and the loss of valuable time for gathering food, accumulating wealth, or having sex, we go to sleep. Scientists have long speculated and argued about why we devote roughly a third of our lives to sleep, but with little concrete data to support any particular theory. Now, new evidence (abstract, full text paywalled) has refreshed a long-held hypothesis: During sleep, the brain cleans itself." During sleep, the Cerebrospinal fluid fills channels in the brain, collecting waste products. It uses a lot of energy, leading to the hypothesis that the brain can't clean up waste while also processing sensory input.

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  1. Extremely variable sleeping periods by DavidHumus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how well this accounts for the extremely variable sleeping periods of various animals? See http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/chasleep.html .

    1. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cats must have very clean brains!?

    2. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by acariquara · · Score: 4, Informative

      Humans are polyphasic too, as infants. We are conditioned into a 8-hour cycle, but it's neither the most efficient nor the best one for your health.

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    3. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Funny

      yep...brain waste excreted with hair balls.

    4. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by stms · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's easy you have a dirty mind.

    5. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      It's probably not the only cause of sleeping. There's a suggestion that mammals evolved to sleep more at night because a common ancestor was otherwise too stupid to realize that roaming in the dark = more danger of being eaten by nocturnal predators. The brown bat at the top of that list obviously has a huge disadvantage in daylight. Sleeping conserves precious energy of course.

      Someone has probably noticed if brain ventricle size correlated with amount of time sleeping across different species and within humans. You might imagine that more surface area for the ventricles = clears out faster = less sleep.

    6. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by green+is+the+enemy · · Score: 2

      Carnivores, small mammals and less active animals sleep more, large herbivores sleep less. Carnivores have bigger and more active brains. Large herbivores need to constantly watch out for predators. I think there is no contradiction here.

    7. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's the other link you want; that article only details artificial patterns. In short: it's normal to wake up briefly in the middle of the night, and take about 9-10 hours from when you first go to bed till when you last wake up.

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    8. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by PRMan · · Score: 3

      And here I just thought I have insomnia all these years. I'm normal, y'all are the screwed up ones...

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    9. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by war4peace · · Score: 5, Funny

      "This was also a favorite time for scholars and poets to write uninterrupted, whereas still others visited neighbors, had sex, or engaged in petty crime." ...Or all the above, at the same time :)
      Like visiting a neighbor to have sex with his wife and steal some silver in the process... and then write about it.

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    10. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by mspohr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I was in medical school, I adopted a pattern of going to sleep for 4 hours in the early evening, waking up at midnight and studying for 4 hours then back to sleep for a few hours. This seemed to work well and improved my grades.

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    11. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Silver was a very popular female name.

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    12. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by ignavus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cats must have very clean brains!?

      It's hard work running the world and performing the duties of an Egyptian god.

      Every cat knows that the human race is merely there to serve them and that's a huge responsibility.

      And then there's scripting all those funny cat videos just to keep us humans (their pets) amused.

      No wonder cats are tired out most of the time.

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    13. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hi, ho Silver...

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    14. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by Japie_H · · Score: 2

      A quote from the accompanying editorial:

      "Sleep is universal among vertebrates (9) and has been found in invertebrates (9, 10). The total number of hours of daily sleep varies from as much as 20 hours in bats to as little as 3 to 4 hours in giraffes and elephants (8, 11)—and there is currently no reasonable physiological hypothesis to explain this variation (11).Because CSF perfusion of the interstitial space is limited to the surface of the brain during waking, and brain volume increases faster than brain surface area [even with the folding of the cortical surface (12)], larger brains should have a relatively larger volume of interstitial space to “buffer” the accumulation of sleep-driving molecules, and thus might be able to withstand much longer periods of waking before the inevitable switch to the waste-clearing state of sleep occurs. If only neuroscientists could easily bring live, large-brained animals to the lab." (emphasis mine)

    15. Re:Extremely variable sleeping periods by supercrisp · · Score: 2

      I read an article a year or so ago claiming that this was a natural rhythm. Apparently quite a few intellectual workers had this pattern. The one I remember is John Milton. Sorry, too busy to run down the article for you!

  2. Neat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I used to imagine it as the brain defragmenting itself. Imagine that! A computer guy seeing biological topics through a computer-geek lens!

    1. Re:Neat. by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

      For teenagers, it's more like a cron job running rm -rf /knowledge/school/exam_answers/*

    2. Re:Neat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      For teenagers, it's more like a cron job running rm -rf /knowledge/school/exam_answers/*

      Okay, how to I root my brain to edit my crontab???? Then I can finally not me fail english, which I that unpossible.

    3. Re:Neat. by garyebickford · · Score: 2

      Find this book: "Mind Games", published around 1970. Find some friends, go through the exercises (doing each set a few times per week until you've mastered each level or whatever), over a period of about 2-3 months. This was the 'textbook' for a cool class I took a long time ago, called "Altered States of Consciousness Problem Solving Workshop". The purpose of the class was to research the potential for setting subjects with a problem, have them go into these altered states, and then record the results they came up with while in the altered state.

      It's well known that many creative people (and probably everybody) will have problems they are not really thinking of consciously, and after days, weeks, months or years suddenly come up with the answer. Nietzche wrote about having had disabling migraines for a year, until one night he went for a walk, and on the top of a mountain the entire text of "Thus Spake Zarathrustra" came to him all at once, and he went home and copied it down.

      By the end of the class I was in fairly complete control of my dreams - I could set myself a problem and solve it in my sleep; I could alter the plot of dreams - they're MY dreams, it's MY world, and I can make anything happen the way I want - think of yourself as Gandalf in the dream; and as an added bonus I could program myself to sleep for any given time from a few minutes to 10 hours, and wake up accurately on the dot, fully refreshed.

      I often would program myself to sleep for several minutes between classes. This was harder if I was already sleep deprived though.

      I still have a bit of the skill but not much. Mostly I don't have the self-discipline habit to do the walk down into the subconscious state. I like to think I could though, if I put my mind to it.

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    4. Re:Neat. by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      Nieztche probably isn't the best example. Its beyond doubt he was a brilliant philosopher. He was also completely and utterly mad as well. The guy had crippling mental illness (Possibly from Syphilis) and as a result I'm not sure its wise to draw too many conclusions from his behavior or even his claims about his behavior.

      That said, he did one of his greatest things whilst suffering from his madness, wrote an entire book about how his good friend Wagner (the composer) was an antisemetic nationalist bastard who shouldn't be trusted as far as he could be thrown. Its a hell of a way to end a friendship but god damn it was he right. Wagner, of course wrote many of the texts that inspired Hitlers cataclysmic rise. (So next time you hear someone blame nieztche, tell em to rack off. Nieztche actually admired the jews for what he believed was their sense of self preservation and deeply disliked anti-semetism and "slave morality". His sister altered many of his writings and twisted his words once niztche was so incapacitated he had no more recourse to retaliate. But it CAN be said Wagner really did have his intended influence. Heck the Wagner family where one of the earliest funders of the nazis).

      MASSIVE DERAIL but forgive me, I do like my philosphical history.

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  3. Like so many computer programs... by christianT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Humans suffer from major memory leaks and must be shut down periodically due to poor garbage collection.

    1. Re:Like so many computer programs... by Yaur · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think its shutting down, so much a suspending all of the threads while the GC runs.

    2. Re: Like so many computer programs... by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A few rare people can achieve a REM-like state while awake. I am one of them. In my case, I learned to do it due to having a lifelong hereditary sleep disorder. Going without sleep for up to five days is a common occurrence. I enter a trance state and begin to dream. I have more control over these dreams than during normal sleep but, I am mostly unaware of my environment though it is not hard to snap me out of it. I'm aware enough that if my name is called or someone touches me, I come out of it. On rare occasions, the dream state does not end right away and I have both stimuli at the same time. It is awkward but, navigateable. The state give me most of but, not all of the benefits of real sleep. My mind responds as if rested, it stops dulusions that occur because of sleep loss and the general mental slowdown that naturally occurs. What it doesn't do is some of the more complex physical cleaning that the body does when you sleep such as clearing substance P from your pain receptors. As I have fibromyalgia, this last point is very relevant.

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    3. Re: Like so many computer programs... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      A girl in slashdot, is that possible? ;-P

      You're dreaming.

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  4. Couldn't you come up... by Arkiel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...with a better word than "brainwashing?" Since that already means something that does not match the contents of the article.

    1. Re:Couldn't you come up... by GrandCow · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...with a better word than "brainwashing?" Since that already means something that does not match the contents of the article.

      BEEP BOOP I am a robot can't detect a joke.

      Brainwashing is a perfect word to use here since that's exactly what's happening.

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    2. Re:Couldn't you come up... by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...with a better word than "brainwashing?" Since that already means something that does not match the contents of the article.

      Agree. A "dirty mind" joke would have gone down far better.

  5. Windows by Phoeniyx · · Score: 2

    So that's where Bill Gates got the idea about having to reboot Windows every day back when. It's really a form of cleaning the computer. It's good for the system, don't ya know.

  6. Re:Obvious question by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From TFA:

    Many neurological diseases—from Alzheimer's disease to stroke and dementia—are associated with sleep disturbances, Nedergaard notes. The study suggests that lack of sleep could have a causal role, by allowing the byproducts to build up and cause brain damage. "This could open a lot of debate for shift workers, who work during the nighttime,” Nedergaard predicts. "You probably develop damage if you don’t get your sleep."

    Beta amyloids are specifically mentioned, those make up the plaques that are found in Alzheimers.

    Worth pointing out that the effects of sleep deprivation are well known, this is simply trying to explain HOW those symptoms occur.

  7. Re:Obvious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently, brain poop which may lead to many brain farts.

  8. Re:Obvious question by Deflagro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I went almost a week without sleep and it definitely screws you up. On day 5, I was hallucinating that there were people around me and seeing things out of the corner of my eye. I had a constant fuzzy feeling and had very little energy. It was an interesting experiment and it was not easy to get to sleep. It took me over a month to get back into a proper rhythm.

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  9. Evolutionary pressure to not sleep? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A higher order species that has brains that can "cleans" itself without requiring sleep would have so much evolutionary advantage that they would rapidly take over the entire planet (sort of like flowering plants). Why hasn't 3+ billion years of evolutionary produced such a species?

    1. Re:Evolutionary pressure to not sleep? by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's advantages and disadvantages to every evolutionary option. It's not clear that not sleeping is a very large advantage.

      Sure, it means being active for an additional 8 hours a day. But being active also means needing more food. Being active all night in a time before artificial light means more injuries. It also means missing out on the social effects of sleeping - "sleeping together", even without sex, reinforces relationships.

    2. Re:Evolutionary pressure to not sleep? by marcosdumay · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We, sleeping creatures are "lucky"* that by "coincidence" the day is divided in two parts so different that an animal well adapted to one of them don't fare very well on the other. So, most animals adapt to one of those parts, and just protect themselves the best way they can at the other. For nearly all animals, being awake wouldn't make much of a difference.

      * Lucky that we adapted to exactly the environment that we evolved on. What a coincidence, isn't it?

  10. So that is why naps are so good! by BoRegardless · · Score: 2

    Mid-day sweeping keeps the cobwebs out.

  11. Re:Obvious question by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree that it doesn't seem like night or day would matter much.

    The second point, you're responding to a new hypothesis put forth by the researcher based on the current findings. The current findings are only that it's cleared out during sleep, not saying that low neural activity is the reason. That part is just speculation. I'd suggest it's probably more complex, that the glial cleaning activity causes abnormal neuronal activity when it's in that mode. Perhaps the reason it happens during sleep is because if it happened while you were awake, you'd hallucinate, act even more irrationally and irregularly etc. Perhaps that's part of the reason that dreams are so bizarre. Pure speculation.

  12. I've seen the defragging happen by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Remember how Defrag in Windows 98 used to move the little colored blocks around? One night I got more or less the same thing. When I was about 11, several years before Windows 95 existed, I dreamed I walked into an M/E Root Beer restaurant (apparently a fictional counterpart of A&W restaurants) and in the back room, an anthropomorphic rabbit was sorting a bunch of pieces of paper with pictures on them into various piles. I looked at a few of them, and they appeared to be my memories.

    1. Re:I've seen the defragging happen by Unkl_Shvelven · · Score: 2

      If you want a little bit of that nostalgia back you can install Piriform's Defraggler, which retains the sorting-blocks interface. And, it's free.

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  13. Dreams are calibration patterns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still convinced that dreams are artifacts of calibration routines, and only race conditions allow you to remember them.

  14. Re:Obvious question by Deflagro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not that I remember. It was rough for the first two days but by day 3 I just didn't feel like sleeping anymore. I watched TV or played games all night until people were alive again and continued on with my day. I was exhausted though both mentally and physically somehow. The day after I finally slept was probably the worst. Still no energy but now coupled with nausea and no appetite. It was like a withdrawal of some sort... not recommended :P
    I already kick into REM sleep really fast as it is so when I was not sleeping, I would sort of dream while being awake. It's a crazy experience for sure.

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  15. Re:Obvious question by Holi · · Score: 2

    5 days? that's nothing, 11 days was my record, granted numerous quantities of drugs were involved. By that time I was quite psychotic though and a good friend firmly suggested I sleep with a very well placed punch.

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  16. In short, you're killing yourself. by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're possibly setting yourself up for Alzheimer's. It's been known for a long time that buildup of amyloid plaques is worsened by lack of sleep and vice versa. (Sleep issues show up long before other symptoms of Alzheimer's). This provide a mechanism by showing how the plaques are regularly removed by good sleep.

    For extra fun, sleep is also when myelin-repairing oligodendrocytes kick into gear. You probably won't develop MS from not sleeping, but it isn't good for your long-term health, as that function is necessary to the survival of brain cells. This impacts mood, memory, and moral judgement.

    Oh, and then there's the fact that lack of sleep disrupts the ratio of leptin and ghrelin in your body, making you far hungrier when awake. This is part of the reason that lack of sleep is correlated with obesity. You also have lower testosterone (impacting your virility) & higher cortisol levels (wrecking your memory and weakening your immune system). Other hormone changes put you at higher risks of type 2 diabetes.

    In short, you're killing yourself. Seek help if this isn't voluntary. Prioritize getting more sleep.

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  17. Re:Modafinil by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

    I'm hoping someone comes up with a power flush technique like with oil or transmission oil changes at Jiffy Lube. Step into a booth, plug in, five minutes later you're good to go another twenty four hours... or twenty three hours and fifty five minutes.

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