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Windows RT 8.1 Update Pulled From Windows Store

UnknowingFool writes "After reports of update problems including bricking of some devices, Microsoft has pulled the 8.1 update for RT from their store while they investigate. 'Microsoft is investigating a situation affecting a limited number of users updating their Windows RT devices to Windows RT 8.1. As a result, we have temporarily removed the Windows RT 8.1 update from the Windows Store. We are working to resolve the situation as quickly as possible and apologize for any inconvenience. We will provide updates as they become available.' While update problems are not new to software, could this be a consequence of Microsoft not releasing 8.1 RTM to developers? Developers may have experienced problems earlier and alerted Microsoft before it went live."

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  1. On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    My Surface Pro (not RT) update went swimmingly.

    Its faster than it was before. Oddly, I now have two voice recorder apps. ?
    But everything I previously had on the machine works perfectly.

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    1. Re:On the other hand by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except, unfortunately for you, it's still a Surface Pro.

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    2. Re:On the other hand by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 1

      My Surface Pro (not RT) update went swimmingly.

      Its faster than it was before. Oddly, I now have two voice recorder apps. ? But everything I previously had on the machine works perfectly.

      Not surprising - The x64 / x32 versions never stopped working.

      Though, if you had an older (AMD) processor, 8.1 never really started working...

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    3. Re:On the other hand by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      My Surface Pro (not RT) update went swimmingly.

      Its faster than it was before. Oddly, I now have two voice recorder apps. ? But everything I previously had on the machine works perfectly.

      Apparently the update inadvertently exposed the previously hidden voice recorder app placed there by the NSA. Oops!

    4. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They did add quick access to the camera without unlocking the tablet. That had me indignant as hell when I touched the screen to unlock and saw me staring back at me with a surprised look on both our faces.

      Then I realized my fingers had accidentally swiped the wrong direction. Turned that off.

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    5. Re:On the other hand by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 1

      SerpentMage has been assigned as hall monitor.

      He said he really wanted the job because it vexed him so when people used to run along the corridors in high school.

      His rainbow is now reached.

      His potential fulfilled.

      And he may die happy.

    6. Re:On the other hand by lgw · · Score: 2

      The only problem with the Surface Pro is price - it's a fine tablet and actually has software, since it's easy to port normal Windows stuff. It's the RT that has the limited system library, and so only new apps.

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    7. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 1, Informative

      "Easy to port normal windows stuff".

      No port necessary. Period.
      Just install. Done.

      Yeah, the price is too high. Drop that by 1/3 and it would be price competitive, drop it by 40% and they would sell every one they could make.
      It is a really well thought out tablet. A bit Too heavy. Battery life needs improvement. But I still like it, Windows 8(.1) and all.

      Its faster than my 10 inch Android tablet, but a lot easier to adapt to business use because of software compatibility.
      This is where RT fails.

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    8. Re:On the other hand by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I love that feature on Android, though.

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    9. Re:On the other hand by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      What? That's you?

      Call Microsoft and tell them that you're that guy where the update worked! I bet they want to hear that there actually is someone.

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    10. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I love that feature on Android, though.

      Me too. I use it ALL the time.
      But I refuse to participate in that duchebaggery of being seen in public holding up a tablet to take pictures. :-O

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    11. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 1

      As I mentioned, the PRO is not the RT, and the RT is the only model having a problem.

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    12. Re:On the other hand by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I think Microsoft's may be tiring of products that stay in the loss leader category for years at a time.

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    13. Re:On the other hand by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Faster? Cite a reference maybe?

    14. Re:On the other hand by Joe+U · · Score: 4, Informative

      Faster? Cite a reference maybe?

      He's talking about the Pro. Which has a Core I5 w/ Intel HD 4000.

      In simple terms, it's faster. If you want to get detailed, it's much faster.

    15. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just gave you a reference.
      My Surface Pro is Faster than MY 10 Inch Android Tablet. (Acer A700.)
      It might not be faster than yours.

      Boots faster. Sub 6 seconds from power off to login ready.
      Loads Google Chrome Faster. Switches apps faster.
      Runs Vmware.
      Runs Linux and FreeBSD inside of VMware virtual machines.
      My day job still requires windows. It runs all my compilers, linker and debugger, etc.

      Go try one out at a nearby Mall or something, instead of beating me up.
      I was a doubter too. Played with one at the Microsoft Keosk for 15 minutes. They even let me install software (Visual Studio).
      I ran some tests, and slapped down my credit card. I never even looked at the RT units.
      You can dis this machine just because its windows (if that't your game), But as a Windows machine, its a pretty sweet package.
      Its a full 64bit WinTel machine.

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    16. Re:On the other hand by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Citation please? Because while I'e been avoiding Win "LULZ I Iz A Cellphone LULZ" like an STD from what I understood if it can run Win 7 it can run Win 8 no prob.

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    17. Re:On the other hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      He's still fortunate - at least his worked. It's not just ARM that's fubar. Lots of other PCs updating to 8.1 are failing.

      http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/users-hit-blue-screen-0xc1900101-0x40017-error-windows-81-update-229058

    18. Re:On the other hand by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OK, if you've been reading /. more than a few weeks you know I'm not a Microsoft fan. I'm not their defender generally. But Ivy Bridge wasn't available when the Surface Pro was being designed or launched. This one specific thing is not their fault.

      They get no pass from me on the horrid UI, the update debacle on their own device, the marketing that will stand for all time as how not to do it, not doing a wide beta and all that. But I cannot blame them for not including components that were not available. We expect ridiculously swift time to market, but it is unfair to demand time travel.

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    19. Re:On the other hand by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is ready to pour $100B into mobile if they can find in that a path to success by doing so. But there is no such path. The truth is that we moved the party and don't want them here. How rich they are is not relevant. They are rude, obnoxious and not fun. We moved the party to get away from them.

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    20. Re:On the other hand by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Informative

      why all this surface pro-pro talk on a story about surface RT?

      surface rt is the whole reason while I find it hard to recommend surface pro to anyone since they might go and buy rt.

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    21. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 1

      Boots from stone cold OFF in sub 6 seconds.

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    22. Re: On the other hand by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      With Windows 8's fast boot pseudo hibernate on or off?

      I was very interested in a Surface Pro myself until I saw the abysmal battery life and the tiny 4 gigs of RAM...

    23. Re:On the other hand by smash · · Score: 1

      It damn well should be faster. It's running on hardware about 4x the price.

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    24. Re:On the other hand by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Completely irrelevant to the story at hand, then.

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    25. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 1

      So what?
      Who appointed you the Thread Police?

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    26. Re:On the other hand by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Ivy bridge was a bad best option. Haswell is basically the same performance for 40% less power consumption but didn't exist back when they made surface pro 1.

      Microsoft isn't a chip maker - there was literally no good option for a CPU for the surface pro that would be x86 - AMD processors were all as hot or had bad performance.

      ARM, sure, they had choices, but go build yourself a PC and try and find an x86 cpu that isn't from Intel or AMD and is reasonably priced and works worth a damn.

    27. Re: On the other hand by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you'll like the Surface Pro 2. Better battery life (Haswell CPU) and there is an 8GB option.

    28. Re:On the other hand by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      I have one too. Its great, but the battery is worthless. I hope the Surface Pro 2 is better.

    29. Re:On the other hand by Megane · · Score: 1

      Still, it's got nothing on the total douchebaggery that is vertical video. TURN. YOUR. CELLPHONE. SIDEWAYS. YOU. MORON.

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    30. Re:On the other hand by icebike · · Score: 1

      Since when has that ever mattered on Slashdot?

      Find me one thread that doesn't drift. Just one.

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    31. Re:On the other hand by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Drifting is moving into peripherally related or connected topics, a la James Burke.

      That's not the same as posting completely irrelevant tosh. We got the message, you have an RT. We all think you're awesome, go ask your mom for a cookie.

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  2. They Just Can't Catch a Break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They just can't catch a break. Definitely a lot of distraction going on in the company with the unknown next CEO.

    1. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by justthinkit · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yes, sure, it is all about not catching a break.
      .

      How about this? No one wants to use an RT, even to test it. Sure it gets tested by QA people, but no one wants to use it all day every day, trying to get useful work done. So an update is sent out the door with little to no real world testing.

      RT is clearly a brand of dog food no dog wants to eat.

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    2. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, especially since MS *DID* in fact release 8.1 RTM to developers early. So the question posed in the article is based on a false premise.

    3. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity: have you used an Rt? And if so, for any length of time? Or is it a case like most nay sayers who clicked it on in a store and said: I hate these tiles and left it at that?

    4. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by RMingin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not forced, no. I recall Ballmer throwing a minor shitfit a few years back when he walked around the MS office campus and noticed that EVERYONE was using an iPhone.

      Of course, right after that he bought Nokia and forced WinPho8 down the world's collective throats, so it may have changed since, but it's likely that it's encouraged but not required.

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    5. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by RMingin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have. It reminded me a lot of my first generation iPad when I got it. Potential maybe, but stifled by lack of non-basic apps that people want to use. Apple got through that stage by being the only serious players in the market. MS is going up against two deeply-entrenched and not-deeply-retarded adversaries, I don't see it working out as smoothly.

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    6. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by real+gumby · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

      Cheers,
      g

    7. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by RMingin · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, I was excessively brief so as to be approachable while still somewhat informative.

      Balmer had his shitfit several years ago, as I'd pointed out. Around that same time, WinPhone went from being a second class citizen to being a major focus again. More recently, Microsoft flat out bought Nokia. That better?

      Personally, I think MS bought Nokia in order to continue the current WinPho or Bust plan, which seems to be trending strongly towards "or Bust". The Nokia stockholders seemed not to care as long as it meant a payout. MS needed that "partnership" to continue, in the worst way.

      Disclaimer: I hate all cell phones and wish they'd go away. If that makes me an MS-hating troll, clearly you haven't read my other posts, where I more clearly lay out my reasons for disliking Microsoft. Their meddling in the cell phone market ain't it.

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    8. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is something I've argued for years, every MSFT victory? Was preceded by "and then the other guy did something REALLY dumb", from the owner of CP/M blowing off IBM to go flying to BeOS choosing to start out on an ultra nice AT&T "Hobbit" CPU it has ALWAYS been "and then the other guy did something REALLY dumb. What happens when the other guy doesn't politely shoot themselves in the face? Zune, Kin,Sidekick, WinRT, one bad move after another.

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    9. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by lxs · · Score: 4, Funny

      The update went fine for me as well. My machine got bricked but it's a massive improvement over having to use Windows 8.

    10. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      preview versions were.. different from rtm.

      but I don't think for RT at all, not even preview?

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    11. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by maccodemonkey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, especially since MS *DID* in fact release 8.1 RTM to developers early. So the question posed in the article is based on a false premise.

      Did that include 8.1 RT, or just 8.1 x86?

    12. Re:They Just Can't Catch a Break by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      MS is putting their flagship on the line for the belief that what's a little odd now will grow on people. And from my perspective, there's a strange appeal to a Windows operating system like RT. It's impervious to viruses, its fast, its simple, and you can't break it. Its everything a tablet OS should be. So while we're talking about putting Windows 8.1 Pro on all the tablets, we're missing the point. People fight with their computers - that's always to be expected. They don't have the patience to fight with their phones and tablets. RT is essentially a version of Windows that holds your hand and keeps you out of bad areas and away from creeps. I think there's a lot of value in that

  3. Microsoft needs to stop fucking up the PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, the PC is important, and Microsoft is killing the platform. The universal computer is what drives innovation, not the consumer machines that Apple and Google are selling.

    1. Re:Microsoft needs to stop fucking up the PC by binarylarry · · Score: 2

      Are they killing the platform or opening the door so it can be freed?

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    2. Re:Microsoft needs to stop fucking up the PC by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      well when they locked down the bios so nothing else can be loaded I would say the answer would be killing it.

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    3. Re:Microsoft needs to stop fucking up the PC by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Having "one of those locked down bios" sorry I mean boards with UEFI, and being able to load 'nix, bsd and windows without a problem, I'm guess mine is broken. I will say though, being able to mess around with the UEFI inside windows itself is damned nice. I haven't found anything 'nix wise that will allow the same support, but if someone knows something I'd be interested in it.

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    4. Re:Microsoft needs to stop fucking up the PC by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      You seem to be confusing UEFI and SecureBoot. UEFI itself is fine and not a problem and SecureBoot is okay if it can be disabled, however, Microsoft have dictated that Arm based Windows 8 devices cannot allow the SecureBoot to be disabled.

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    5. Re:Microsoft needs to stop fucking up the PC by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Nearly all of it?
      Ok, there are some things that are done on servers (mostly in IT and raw science). All the rest happen on PCs.

  4. serves them right by hjf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Serves them right. Microsoft should have learn already that the way to release stuff is to put a BETA label in it, like Google does with everything else. Service unavailable? BETA! Unexpected error? BETA! Lost all your data? BETA!

    Beta is a blanket term for "we can charge for this but if it breaks it's not our fault".

    Come on, MS. You're lagging behind.

    1. Re:serves them right by asmkm22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This should be modded "Insightful" not "Funny."

    2. Re:serves them right by bmo · · Score: 2

      "Along with the standard computer warranty agreement which said that if the machine 1) didn't work, 2) didn't do what the expensive advertisements said, 3) electrocuted the immediate neighborhood, 4) and in fact failed entirely to be inside the expensive box when you opened it, this was expressly, absolutely, implicitly and in no event the fault or responsibility of the manufacturer, that the purchaser should consider himself lucky to be allowed to give his money to the manufacturer, and that any attempt to treat what had just been paid for as the purchaser's own property would result in the attentions of serious men with menacing briefcases and very thin watches. Crowley had been extremely impressed with the warranties offered by the computer industry, and had in fact sent a bundle Below to the department that drew up the Immortal Soul agreements, with a yellow memo form attached just saying: "Learn, guys."

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    3. Re:serves them right by Megane · · Score: 1

      Big useless pictures with every article and a broken comment system, SLASHDOT BETA!

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  5. Another one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is also a widespread issue with updating to 8.1 failing with a 0xC1900101 - 0x40017 error on PCs.

    1. Re:Another one by Skythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe this was the error I was having. Solution: unplug my USB mouse before installing. Welcome to 1997.

  6. To quote Rick Perry: by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    oops

    1. Re:To quote Rick Perry: by gtall · · Score: 1

      Hey, maybe MS could get Rick Perry to run it. They have similar philosophies of believing of chimeras.

    2. Re:To quote Rick Perry: by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      They have similar philosophies of believing of chimeras.

      Hey! *I* am a chimera!

      (and have been since my bone marrow transplant - 100% chimera - my blood and bone marrow has my donor's DNA, the rest of me has what I was born with)

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    3. Re:To quote Rick Perry: by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'm confused, doesn't a chimera have to be two different species, not different organisms? Like someone with a pig's liver? Just a friendly question from a cyborg...

    4. Re:To quote Rick Perry: by foobar+bazbot · · Score: 1

      Hey! *I* am a chimera!

      Did you seriously just post that without calling GP an insensitive clod?

      This is /., we have^Whad standards.

    5. Re:To quote Rick Perry: by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Not a clue about the proper labelling. But my doctor has been calling me a chimera for a year now, and seemed quite pleased by it (any trace of my old bone marrow would mean that they did not cure my cancer - the fact that I'm showing 100% chimerism is the best possible result).

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    6. Re:To quote Rick Perry: by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You got me interested since it seems I'm wrong. Apparently my definition came from this

      The Chimera (/kÉËmÉÉ(TM)rÉ(TM)/ or /kaÉËmÉÉ(TM)rÉ(TM)/, also Chimaera, Chimæra; Greek: ÎÎμαÎÏα ChÃmaira) was, according to Greek mythology, a monstrous fire-breathing creature of Lycia in Asia Minor, composed of the parts of three animals â" a lion, a snake and a goat. Usually depicted as a lion, with the head of a goat arising from its back, and a tail that ended in a snake's head,[1] the Chimera was one of the offspring of Typhon and Echidna and a sibling of such monsters as Cerberus and the Lernaean Hydra.

      I predate this by a long while; when I was young, such a thing didn't exist. I was a year old when the double helix was discovered, 16 when "The Double Helix: A Personal Account of the Discovery of the Structure of DNA" was published by James Watson, and was in the USAF when Paul Berg created the first recombinant DNA molecules by combining DNA from the monkey virus SV40 with that of the lambda virus. Strange that I never ran across that use of the term since they've used donated organs (at least experimentally with animals) all my life.

      New use of an old word, thank you for the education! I know a fellow with both a donated liver and donated corneas. He has an artificial knee so he's both chimera and cyborg.

  7. Bricking? by cyberjock1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's bricking when it cannot be fixed. This can, hence the article summary is wrong. Wake up editors!

    1. Re:Bricking? by Mondor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ordinary users can't revive the dead tablet, even if it only fails to load the touchscreen drivers. Tablet becomes the photo frame, showing the log in screen. Unless other drivers failed as well, or tablet is asking to navigate to skydrive to get the bitlocker key, but you don't have any other computer. Besides, the on-screen keyboard doesn't function, so you can't enter it.

      Yes, you can get over some problems with Windows 8 tablet if you have USB hub, flash drive, ISO image of Windows 8, USB keyboard and mouse... But I am talking about ordinary users, not geeks.

    2. Re:Bricking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, Windows RT 8.1 bricks actually can.

    3. Re:Bricking? by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bricking means it can't be revived by ordinary measures. Most bricks can be fixed with JTAG or a soldering iron, but they're still considered bricked.

    4. Re:Bricking? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Take one brick, one snapshot, and one roll of tape. I'll bet there is some way to get that brick to display the photo.

    5. Re:Bricking? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The moderators are all smoking pot this Saturday night, I see. The only mods are +5 funny when you should be sitting at +5 informative.

      Too bad I don't need karma or I could clean up tonight (yeah, I just burned one).

    6. Re:Bricking? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, but this brick can show you some shiny stars!

      *hurls it*

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    7. Re:Bricking? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      1. Find receipt.
      2. Return to store where it was purchased.
      3. Demand refund.
      4. Buy iPad or Android tablet.

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    8. Re:Bricking? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      In the EU if that happens then the shop that sold it to you is responsible for fixing it under warranty. The minimum warranty period on electronics is two years, although some countries offer you much longer (in the UK tablets are typically five to six years).

      So in that sense it isn't really bricked because even the most clueless user has a legal right to get it fixed for free under warranty. It really does have to be for free as well, e.g. if you bought it online the shop has to pay return postage costs.

      Maybe you are looking at it from a US perspective. Would you be left with a brick over there?

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  8. Windows by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Funny

    There are a ton of people complaining about things no longer working after the 8.1 'upgrade'. Thank God I run a nice, reliable operating system like Linux instead of this crap that breaks machines every time you try to upgrade.

    1. Re:Windows by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was actually parodying all the Windows users who used to make fun of Linux for breaking things on upgrades.

    2. Re:Windows by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

      Try other distros. I had problems galore as an Ubuntu user for my first 2 years with Linux, then finally tried distro-hopping and was shocked to find that overall they were just as easy to use (especially the apt/Synaptic-based ones) and a lot more stable.

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    3. Re:Windows by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I take it you never "upgraded" to KDE 4.2... my computer still has nightmares about that foul beast. Or worse, GNOME. Thank God I was warned about Unity.

      But yeah, the nice thing about linux is KDE sucks? Well, swap desktops or distros (I just dialed mine back until it got less retarded).

      Poor Windows users. That's what they get for using a toy OS.

    4. Re:Windows by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, the main difference is probably that you not only investigate whether your next update bricks your system but you can also decide for yourself whether and when you want the update to happen.

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  9. Of course by Murdoch5 · · Score: 2

    I'm so glad that oracle pointed out the flaws of open source! I would hate to think of bad code stemming from proprietary ideologies.

  10. Only one thing broken so far... by madmarcel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Upgraded my laptop the day the update became available in the store...have only noticed two odd things so far:

    VLC is dead. Crashes immediately, then gives error about failing to send an error report. Yay. Uninstalling and reinstalling made no difference. Double yay.

    Pictures used for wallpaper, screensaver, login screens, etc changed after reboot. Bizarre, but easily fixed.
    I should note that I had to google how to change some of these back to original settings, as not all of these are changed from control panel. and the actual
    setting I was looking for is hiding behind a GUI element that doesn't look clickable. That annoyed me more than anything else.

    1. Re:Only one thing broken so far... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      What a great operating system you spent money on!

    2. Re:Only one thing broken so far... by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      To be fair these could happen with Mac OS or definitely Linux as well. Losing background pictures is pretty minor.

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    3. Re:Only one thing broken so far... by maugle · · Score: 1

      I should note that I had to google how to change some of these back to original settings, as not all of these are changed from control panel. and the actual setting I was looking for is hiding behind a GUI element that doesn't look clickable. That annoyed me more than anything else.

      I'd like to add my voice to this: What the hell are UI designers smoking these days? There used to be a time when user interfaces were very direct and to-the-point about what the user could and could not click to make things happen. Now we're seeing all these awful "flat" interfaces where it's nearly impossible to tell what can be interacted with and what's just there as part of the background!
      The fact that Apple - who claim to be #1 in user interface design - seems to be leading this charge is mind-boggling to me. Why Windows and Ubuntu are following along is unfathomable.

    4. Re:Only one thing broken so far... by antdude · · Score: 1

      I noticed the changed wallpapers too. However, my assigned screen saver was the same.

      Here's what's worse. If you install W8.1 from its ISO file over the old activated and updated W8.0 with its Media Center addon (got it for free), then it asks you to enter a key, reactivate, changed settings back to defaults, lose my free Media Center addon offer, etc. Annoying. That should not happen if I am keeping my settings to upgrade from a W8.1 ISO file!

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    5. Re:Only one thing broken so far... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I'd like to add my voice to this: What the hell are UI designers smoking these days? There used to be a time when user interfaces were very direct and to-the-point about what the user could and could not click to make things happen. Now we're seeing all these awful "flat" interfaces where it's nearly impossible to tell what can be interacted with and what's just there as part of the background!
        The fact that Apple - who claim to be #1 in user interface design - seems to be leading this charge is mind-boggling to me. Why Windows and Ubuntu are following along is unfathomable.

      Actually, Apple's the follower, not the leader.

      Windows pretty much started it first - through Windows Phone UI that migrated to Windows 8. Android rapidly followed the flattening. And Apple went last after everyone complains that iOS looks "tired and date" as well as OS X.

      Which really sucks, to be honest - I *liked* the fact that Apple tends to make only minor changes to the UI rather than huge freaking changes constantly.

      Honestly, whoever said the flat UIs were the wave of the future ought to be shot. I do enjoy a tiny amount of skeumorphism (not as excessive as the linen and green felt or leather), and I enjoy the fact that UI elements were readily identifiable and looked like artwork.

      Now they look like someone with Microsoft Paint drew it with the 16 color palette. It's like we're back in the DOS days again.

  11. no beta test? by v1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    could this be a consequence of Microsoft not releasing 8.1 RTM to developers?

    Seriously? They didn't seed that to the devs for a week or two? That's just plain stupid. Only reason I can see for pulling that is if there was a serious problem they needed to get fixed quickly.

    Also raises the question of how much they really care about the performance and stability of RT on other manufacturers' boxes?

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  12. Help me understand this by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    > "After reports of update problems including bricking of some devices,"

    Hang on, aren't all Windows RT machines exactly the same hardware? How could there be differences between machines where an update would brick some and not others?

    And the Windows 8 journey just keeps getting more entertaining.

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    1. Re:Help me understand this by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

      Without having RTFA, this is my biggest question? Can I now go make some money "repairing" these RT tablets?

    2. Re:Help me understand this by karlrado · · Score: 1

      > "Hang on, aren't all Windows RT machines exactly the same hardware? How could there be differences between machines where an update would brick some and not others?" No. Microsoft Surface RT machines are built with the Nvidia Tegra SoC. Others, like the Dell XPS 10 use Qualcomm's SoC. I wish Microsoft had included some details about what machines/configs are bricking and which are not. I upgraded two Dell XPS 10 machines with no issues. And I haven't seen any conclusive patterns emerging from various forum posts and tweets complaining about problems. One possible delta in the environment to which the update is being applied is whether or not the 8.1 PREVIEW had been installed prior to the update. For example, I've heard that people who installed the 8.1 preview on a Dell XPS 10 had to remove the recovery partition before it would work. So, I can imagine an update process failing when it expects to find a recovery partition in place. But the number of these devices is pretty small and you think would be easily identifiable from the problem reports coming in. But I wonder if the problem is anything like this or related to the preview. OTOH, most people upgrading from the preview seem OK outside of having to re-install some applications.

  13. Developers may have experienced problems earlier.. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Developers may have experienced problems earlier and alerted Microsoft before it went live."
    Duh, you think? Only a Microsoft exec would be dumb enough to think otherwise.

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  14. enterprise will not stand for that what MB / syste by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    enterprise will not stand for that what MB / system has this BS?

    and why no secure boot for win 7??

  15. Who could have predicted by Horshu · · Score: 2

    Running the Apple walled garden model against a variety of hardware, and your rapid updates brick some of the models. Shocked - SHOCKED - that there's gambling going on in this establishment.

    1. Re:Who could have predicted by Horshu · · Score: 1

      Is there any part of my comment that you understood, or did you just read "Apple" and think "How dare he?!??!" Quick tip: that last line was a reference to "Casablanca". Should go without saying, but again, you and that reading thing...

  16. Re:Obligatory by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    Several of the nine affected customers were disappointed.

    Get an account, that was funny but the mods never saw it.

  17. I Won In A Prize Draw This Week... by craigslevine · · Score: 1

    ...Wednesday to be exact. A Wholesaler had a drawing after a vendor event. Last year I won my iPad at the same event. I also own a Nexus 7, and was willing to give this Microsoft Tablet a go. At the very least it could be used as a HTPC lite or something. It's 1080P output via a Micro HDMI port was beautiful, and a full-size USB port was a bonus, as was the Micro SD slot. The lower-rez screen was a disappointment. After 24 hours and a concerted effort to find a use-case for it, I quickly grew to hate the thing. The apps were poor and half-baked, the live-tiles became annoying, and apps that I love and need weren't available for the platform, yet were available on all of my other devices. VLC Media Player was $13.99 or something close to it. The Interface is, for me, a great big bucket of suck. Luckily, I upgraded to 8.1 and the thing promptly borked. Even with the volume off, it emitted an annoying whiny buzz when keys were pressed (I bought - and returned - a keyboard cover) or when it booted, or when you swiped the screen. The wholesaler gave me a Best-Buy gift receipt with it, so when I returned the godawful thing on Friday, I came away with a $397 store gift card. This will be applied to a nice DSLR camera sometime in December.

    1. Re:I Won In A Prize Draw This Week... by craigslevine · · Score: 1

      VLC is awesome and is, in fact, worth the price. However, on a standard Win7 and every other platform, it's free. Given the severe obscurity of 8.1 RT, I recognize development costs have to be recovered, or something, in order to satisfy the demands of the 11 people who begged loudly for it. I think the price is more of a coded warning: "Beware! Here be dragons!"

    2. Re:I Won In A Prize Draw This Week... by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

      $13.99, are you fucking kidding me.

  18. Re:Obligatory by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    What? Every single customer of that thing was affected? Wowie...

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  19. do servers have the same logo? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    If so then that can be bad for them

  20. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Only funny the first thousand or so times the same damn joke has been made.

    The previous posts said eight, but apparently MS just sold another one in Utah last month.

  21. Re:THE SIGNS OF THINGS TO COME by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2

    Since reading your post, I'm now going to rename any "Caps Lock" button as the "CRAZY" button. Any post that has seemingly random sections of capitalisations always looks like it's been written by a strung-up meth-head.

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  22. Did not have access? by Clirion · · Score: 3, Informative

    While normally I would look at this, it seems that I had early access from the Windows 8.1 Preview that was loaded on my RT device for 2 months before I did a refresh back to Win8RT OS. The device got constant updates to keep it within striking distance of RTM. I am thinking that it was not the lack of "Windows 8.1 RTM" for a RT device that casued the issue.

    1. Re:Did not have access? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      With any build, there is a possibility that some small change may have caused this. If RTM was released to developers some of them might have uncovered this issue earlier.

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  23. Thank you by Phoeniyx · · Score: 1

    Thanks to all of you that act as my test team. Your relentless pursuit to ensure that all the bugs are ironed out so that my system never has to brick is much appreciated. You will get a virtual cookie for your dedicated service.

  24. try the seafood platter! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I believe him.

    After all, the say the chimera never lies...

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    1. Re:try the seafood platter! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia backs him up.

  25. Waiting by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Waiting for 8.1.1

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  26. Re:Another one, what a shock by Zaelath · · Score: 1

    Charge what exactly, I'm awaiting my Google bill with baited breath.

  27. Microsoft by sumitjadhav137 · · Score: 1

    Whyyy