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Facebook Lets Beheading Clips Return To Its Site
another random user sends this quote from the BBC:
"Facebook is allowing videos showing people being decapitated to be posted and shared on its site once again. The social network had placed a temporary ban on the material in May following complaints that the clips could cause long-term psychological damage. The U.S. firm now believes its users should be free to watch and condemn, but not celebrate, such videos. One suicide prevention charity criticized the move. 'It only takes seconds of exposure to such graphic material to leave a permanent trace — particularly in a young person's mind,' said Dr. Arthur Cassidy, a former psychologist who runs a branch of the Yellow Ribbon Program in Northern Ireland. 'The more graphic and colorful the material is, the more psychologically destructive it becomes.' Decapitation videos are available elsewhere on the net — including on Google's YouTube — but critics have raised concern that Facebook's news feeds and other sharing functions mean it is particularly adept at spreading such material."
Thank God, because that would be obscene!
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
. . . for a buck. Can't wait to see (or not see) what's next.
Yup.
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Thank god there won't be any breastfeeding moms to corrupt the mind when one is looking for snuff pictures.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
If I walk into just about any decent sized store or public building (large enough to have security) and start shouting political slogans, I'll be escorted out of the building. Facebook and Google own their premises and can and should enforce whatever policies they think is appropriate, above and beyond what the law requires.
It's common sense that videos glorifying machete violence against humans should be banned. If that doesn't occur to Zuckerberg and Page immediately, they are thinking way too hard.
would anyone post that, or watch it?
From the company that removes photos of breastfeeding mothers...
To be 'fair' I've noticed that, since they went public, they've been a lot more permissive with the soft porn pages. You probably still can't show nipples, but labia outlines through a bikini are apparently fine. It's all a short-term grab for eyeballs and advertising dollars.
As far as I know Facebook doesn't have an 18+ category like YouTube so this move does a bit blunt.
killing innocents by drones and dumping ordinance, also scarring relatives, friends, neighbors, rescuers minds: good. posting video of beheading: bad posting video of breastfeeding, sex, or just being naked: bad
ok, got it.
If it's on a page you've "liked," unlike the page and stop following it. If a friend posts something you don't like, either learn to accept your friend is his or her entirety, or simply unfollow or unfriend your friend. Facebook shouldn't be your nanny.
If you reply, do so only to what I explicitly wrote. If I didn't write it, don't assume or infer it.
There are plenty of other places people can see these videos. I don't think it should be on Facebook.
If it acquires resources on instantiation like a duck, then its a shared_ptr<Duck>
But heaven forbid you should show a nipple!
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
That's nice that something grotesque is allowed, but me trying to post some artistic nudes (even with everything hidden) get taken down...
Sometimes I wonder if the lack of "graphic material" has caused a dissonance from death. As a young kid my father killed pigs so they could eat (or at least watched it). He saw them get sick and die. Several family members died unexpectedly in his youth. He had real life experience with death.
Granted, I never did any of that as I didn't grow up on a farm, nor did I experience unexpected family deaths, and I came out pretty normal. Maybe it takes two generations. Even those in richer families 100 years ago were much more exposed to death than the average kid is now.
One of you psych grads now working in IT, does that make any sense?
No comprende? Let me type that a little slower for you...
Just imagine this posted on your timeline:
"Hey dude, I just saw this guy get his head lopped off and I totally thought of you!"
If each mistake being made is a new one, then progress is being made.
I'm against all censorship. Period. Including of things that are horrific.
It's not like you can really shield people completely from the horrific violence of the world. In some places, the kids not only see it, but they're forced to be a part of it as child soldiers. In other places, kids aren't supposed to see it, but are encouraged to enjoy a fantasy version of that horrific violence so that they'll grow up into 18-year-olds who want to join the military service and kill people. In lots of places, even the kids who aren't supposed to go into the service (typically because their parents are rich enough) get exposed to horrific violence via something called "evening news". At best, you can try to create a fantasy bubble in which the bad stuff only happens in places very far away from where you are - this usually involves willfully ignoring the assaults, murders, robberies, rapes, car crashes, etc that are probably happening fairly close to you right now.
Also, the reaction of children to real violence is the same as adults: horror. They might enjoy a good scare in October at a haunted house or a murder mystery story, but the real thing leaves kids (and lots of adults) crying, screaming in fear, defacating, vomiting, etc. If you want a sure way to get kids to not want to behead themselves or anyone else, showing them a real beheading is a pretty good way of doing it.
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So death porn is fine, but if you try to post a picture of a woman breastfeeding, they'll crap-can it and threaten to close your account faster than a businessman can pick a pocket.
Must be American.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
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Colonel Kurtz: "We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene."
Human psychology is all kinds of weird.
Who needs a dislike button when censorship can be enforced?
Where is moderation: -1 False?
Nope, that's banned apparently because (a) the behavior is consensual and (b) nobody dies.
Kill behind curtains.
Think of the human rights and THE CHILDREN!
Not as obscene as decapitated boobies.
If they are already having destructive thoughts, what they look at isn't the problem!
This policy will change just as soon as someone posts a beheading video of a friend or family member of a high ranking executive of Google or Facebook. Until it's personal it's an abstract that gets clicks and makes money.
Meanwhile they will zealously block the boob in the name of family values. America, where boobs are abhorrent and snuff videos are protected for profit. Something is very wrong here.
Didn't think one could find these videos on YouTube, but apparently they are there and if that's the case why not throw in a little porn then? Now I have to reevaluate my censorship stance.
Then they should allow fully uncensored hardcore pornography.
I mean, if it's so people can condemn it and not celebrate it.
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You realize that your kids are your kids even when they reach adulthood. So does your statement still stand throughout time? If so, why did you have kids if you are so intent of erasing your genes from the gene pool?
Seriously, if you think your kids are going to be teenage parents from seeing some nudity, I can tell you that don't know jack shit. Just as much as you shouldn't believe your kid are to become a serial killer just from seeing a beheading video. But the emotional scarring most kids would get from seeing a beheading video is very real. I dare say most adults would be distrubed from watching something like that. Any emotional scarring they get from watching some non-hardcore nudity is most likely to come from their hypocritical parents, trying to deny the existence of nudity or sex in the misdirected interest to "shield" their kids. (Hint to any kids reading this: How do you think you came into this world? "The stork" is the wrong answer.)
its users should be free to watch and condemn, but not celebrate, such videos
So the opinion of the people watching the video is relevant to the content? Should I ask Facebook if making this comment is appropriate or not?
So, you post a link to one of these less than savoury videos... how long before the NSA tap has sucked out your details, processed it, pulled out every other post or utterance you ever made, connected you to organized crime however tenuously, and notified the FBI? Anal probe in 5 4 3 ...
Patent litigation: A doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction... in which everyone seems willing to push the button
but you do worry about your kids growing up to be psychotically crazed and wander round school with a shotgun shooting their classmates because of various perceived slights?
Just to use a real-world, it-could-happen-to-you scenario. But its ok though, beheading only happens to *other* people, and they're no-one you know, so its ok fucked up shit like this happens.
I always wondered why there isn't an 'R'-rated or '18+' indication you can set with your video/picture, so other people can just set an indication in their setting they don't want to see it (or it's on by default), and people younger than 18 (or whatever age depending on the country they live in) shouldn't even be allowed to view the content...
Beheadings are murder, plain and simple. If practiced by a state, it's a cruel and unusual punishment.
Images and videos of such an act should be banned, both from Facebook, YouTube and everywhere else for that matter. Also, the perpetrator(s) needs to be hunted down by Interpol or similar and punished for his/their crime.
Why is there even a discussion about this?
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
Doesn't anyone find it odd that the worlds biggest social networking site is run by sociopaths?
You're completely and utterly wrong on this one.
I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
Is that not what this is? Do you really think that Facebook is some sort of libertarian charity that is just letting information be free? Or are they a business that makes money from page views via advertising? To show videos of brutal murders and collect money from it is basically admitting you're in the business of making money from snuff movies. And that, my friends, is what makes this disgusting site truly obscene.
Whine about censorshop if you like, but when they earn a fortune from millions of page views of your loved ones being massacred, please come back and say you fully support their right to do so.
Following the " *noun* enables people to kill people" argument it just makes sense that we should start banning nouns. Obviously it's the nouns fault.
In days long past, humans would go to public executions and would take their children. Beheading are a European tradition if you've ever read anything about history.
As a Society, we bitch and moan, "Oh no, spare the children....". I'm very tired of the buffer the children from real life syndrome. We've raised children who are so buffered that they don't ever see the real world and then when they start to test the waters, there are never any significant consequences.
I'm not saying have a beheading channel on the TV that runs 24/7. But holy hells bells people the world is an ugly place and our morals are all messed up these days. When schools with STUPID zero tolerance policies suspend / expel a student for helping drunk friend to NOT Drink and drive, then the sober one gets the punishment, what message are we sending? I've even heard of kids who skip school to do a little B and E, and the cops won't arrest them, because the act is so minor. Again, what message are we sending?
Today we have flash mob mentality running amok and in part it's because those individual who are on the brink of doing something that they know is wrong judge whether they can get away with it, and if caught, what are the consequences? You've created your slap on the wrist society, by hiding real consequences for real actions (regardless of reasons). When the children see the horrors of the world, most of them don't want that for themselves or the ones that they love, so they may quickly choose not to follow that path.
Next, ladies and gentlemen, it is YOUR responsibility to police YOUR offspring, not a company. And if YOUR child is under the age of 13 then its YOUR fault if they see something they shouldn't on Facebook.
Life takes interesting turns, but the most interest is when you're off the beaten path.
The point is that I think we'd all agree that boobs are not as horrible as a beheading, and yet Facebook allows only the latter.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Perhaps your priorities are exactly what I am lampooning? I'd much rather my kid get knocked up than be beheaded.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
But the emotional scarring most kids would get from seeing a beheading video is very real.
Granted, experience is encoded in brains in a detectable manner, but I'm a scientist, so on the "scarring" and "most kids" statements you'll have to prove it. Considering that we all kill gut maim and behead lots of stuff just to eat it, and that kids have been helping with the food preparation since before written history... I'm going to need some extraordinary evidence to go with that extraordinary claim.
Just because you buy your food from the market doesn't mean everyone does or has always done so.
Urination has a public health and sanitation objection tied to it, as well as exposing the genetalia in public.
Breastfeeding is the feeding of a child and it does not expose any genetalia; you're more likely to see a nipple at the Oscar awards than you are when a woman breastfeeds in public.
... is to "Like", "Comment", or "Share" the videos. Say something nice about the beheadings, or don't say anything at all - FB.
decision by Facebook.
Go team F.
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After years in the military, I understand the reasons for it. Oh, I even go along with it for the most part. Enforce the minor rules and you have less trouble enforcing the major ones.
But, the very fact of it making sense to us, in reality, makes it just that much more weird.
It's very hard to step outside of the human mindset that we bring to thinking. It's probably impossible to do it more than just a tiny bit. But, even just a little leads to a fair bit of "WTF?".
Looked at in terms of the results of evolving a set of emotional rules of thumb for existing successfully in small social groups, our minds make a lot of sense. Outside of that context, they can seem strange and arbitrary. That quote is just one example of that. (You can fill in many others from your own experience.)
oh yes, LIKE and SHARE to give it more exposure.
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
You lost at equating the slaughter of food animals to the torture of sentient, thinking people, who are pretty much just like yourself, with hopes and aspirations and families of their own. I think part of it is the empathic realization that you might have just as easily been in that person's place.
I've hunted, and had my hands in the blood and guts of my prey, which I later delighted in consuming. I've also witnessed people die terribly bloody and painful deaths. Animals may have a general sense of panic when you look them in the eyes as they die, but for me at least, it's not at all on the same level as when its a person looking back at you. Not even close.
I have an uncle who is going on 70 who will not eat pork, not because he's Jewish, but because his family on the farm made him watch the slaughter of 'his' pig when he was a child. He viewed that pig very much as people view their dogs and cats. Of course it's anecdotal evidence, but I'd say he was scarred by the experience.
Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
What do you expect from a hack like Mark Zuckerberg?
FB just did a U-turn on this...